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Mike Gallagher tackles the complex world of tariffs with insights from listener calls, historical context from Trump’s past interviews, and a deep dive into the media’s reaction. Whether it’s the skepticism from mainstream outlets or the hope for America’s prosperity, this episode explores the dual nature of national and global economic policies. Listen in as Mike presents diverse viewpoints and sparks a thoughtful conversation on the trajectory of American trade.
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he’s the happy conservative warrior mike gallagher from your trusted conservative tv network salem news channel and broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide here’s mike
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I just had an aha moment, and she doesn’t even know what a big aha moment it was, my producer Tracy. We were just talking about how the mainstream media and the Trump haters and all the usual suspects are lining up in opposition to Trump’s tariffs. Liberation Day came and went. Of course, the stock market expected to feel some pain. We’ll see how it all fleshes out. But I am fascinated by watching all of the people who hate Trump root against America. I’m really intrigued by this. And I was just talking about it with Tracy. And Tracy is a real common sense, sharp-edged, you know, sharp-elbowed conservative. You know? Hard-working lady. Worked in Tampa Bay for years at the Tampa Bay Times. We managed to snag her just as she listened to the show. And she became… She started as our screener. And I like her a lot. And the team likes her a lot. And she seems to enjoy being here. But she’s not… you know, a seasoned broadcaster or something. I mean, not that that matters, but it’s not like she spent 100 years in talk radio and working on a talk show like this one. And she has so much wisdom. So she and I were talking a little bit about Liberation Day, Trump’s big announcement, and it’s a bold move. I mean, there’s no question. This is big time. This has taken on the globalists. and putting Main Street first. This is trying to put America first in a massive way. Here was President Trump’s announcement about Liberation Day from the Rose Garden at the White House.
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I will sign a historic executive order instituting reciprocal tariffs on countries throughout the world. Reciprocal. That means they do it to us and we do it to them. Very simple. Can’t get any simpler than that. This is one of the most important days, in my opinion, in American history. It’s our declaration of economic independence. For years, hardworking American citizens were forced to sit on the sidelines as other nations got rich and powerful, much of it at our expense. But now it’s our turn to prosper, and in so doing, use trillions and trillions of dollars to reduce our taxes and pay down our national debt, and it’ll all happen very quickly. With today’s action, we are finally going to be able to make America great again, greater than ever before.
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Now, to watch the media, this is the… worst thing they’ve ever experienced, and they’re rooting for the economy to completely tank. In other words, they’re rooting against the country. They’re actively and enthusiastically cheerleading for the demise of the American economy. Because I guess then they can say, see, Trump doesn’t know what he’s doing. That’s all it’s about for them, to try to get a leg up on him because they hate him so much. And this has thankfully shifted all of the boogeyman stuff away from Elon Musk for a little bit and back to Trump. And they’re ranting and carrying on and this is awful and this is terrible. Now, I was talking to Tracy about why people are angry. enthusiastically rooting against the country. They’re talking about Trump. I think Pierce Morgan posted something yesterday on X that was kind of Captain Obvious, but it’s true. This is either going to be a spectacular success, and it’s going to revitalize our country, it’s going to bring manufacturing back, it’s going to create jobs, and these dying cities like Detroit and Dayton, Ohio, and the Rust Belt, there’s going to be a renaissance, there’s going to be all kinds of… growth and economic prosperity in a way we’ve never seen. Either that’s going to happen, or we’re going to completely tank and the country falls apart, and we’re going to have a recession and a depression, and we’re going to be back to people jumping off of buildings on Wall Street in 1930-whatever, 1939. And I wonder why the people… who are rooting against Trump’s tariffs and thereby rooting against the country don’t want any of this to succeed. And Tracy, my producer, put it perfectly and summed it up quite succinctly and simply. She said, they hate America. They don’t like this place. They don’t want this country to be prosperous. They want us to be miserable. COVID was their euphoria. The pandemic was a place that they loved to be. Miserable, scared, angry, isolated, unhappy. Ultimately, I struggle with this because I don’t want to believe it. But I’m starting to think she’s right. I mean, I’ve said this over and over again. Certainly during the campaign and both campaigns, I kept saying, they’re not against Trump. They’re against you and me. They don’t like America, firsters. They hate MAGA. A red hat puts them into spasms of rage. Make America great again. Well, that can’t happen. America’s never been great. It’s awful. Racist. Xenophobic! Horrible! And I think my producer’s take on this is pitch perfect. Have you noticed the enthusiasm and the glee with which people who are reacting to Trump’s tariffs are responding? They want the country to fail. Because then they can say, aha! He doesn’t know what he’s doing. I mean, no matter what you think of Donald Trump, Do you honestly think he’s setting out to destroy our economy? Do you honestly believe that he wants the country to go into a recession or a depression? You might because you think he’s Hitler and you think maybe that’s the way he’s going to control us or some crazy nut job theory. But to rational people who don’t like the guy, I say to you, do you think he wants this to fail? He’s been talking about tariffs and free trade, fair trade rather, for decades. I got an Oprah Winfrey interview from 35 years ago, he laid all this out. This isn’t new for him. I don’t know… that Tracy is wrong. I want to find out what you think. Welcome aboard. It’s Thursday, April the 3rd. We’re in the Relief Actor Studios. Our number is 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. One call does it all. Call or text us. Give me your reaction. Mark from Michigan says, not sure I quite agree with Tracy’s analysis, but I would say that the far left hates Trump more than they love their country. I’m not sure it’s just the far left, Mark. I’m seeing a whole lot of people in the media today and last night who are not at all far lefters. What about Mitch McConnell voting against Trump? what Trump is trying to do with tariffs with Canada. What about Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins? So my question to you is, with all of the cheerleading against America and all the negative response to Trump’s announcement of tariffs, is Tracy right? Do they just hate the country that much? 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. Hope you join us. PhD weight loss has changed my life, and I’ve got a little secret for you. You know Big Pharma and semaglutide and the shots in the belly. You’ve seen the story recently about the study that shows that a lot of people that are getting this are going blind. You don’t want to do this. You want a program to lose weight that’s centered around science and nutrition, a proven roadmap that has helped over 8,000 clients lose weight and keep it off, like me. I lost 53 pounds a few years ago, and I’ve kept it off. 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Promo code MikeG. So here’s Michigan. Mike, they’re globalists. They’re not Americans. That’s their point of view. Jeff in Allentown, Democrats hate themselves more than they hate America. Interesting. And finally, also from Michigan, I think Tracy is very close to the core of the problem, but not quite on the bullseye. I think this is more about people’s narcissism than about hatred for America. People admit their hatred for virtue and add to that the desire to be proven right, even at the expense of society as a whole. So what is it? Which is it? Why are so many smart people rooting and enthusiastically predicting Trump’s failure when it comes to the tariffs? I just saw a column by my friend and colleague Kevin McCullough. over at townhall.com, who breaks down the whole tariff battle brilliantly, as he often and usually does. I’ll share that with you here in a couple of moments. But first, to your calls. Ronnie in Oregon. Ronnie, how you doing?
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Doing fine. You know, the Democrats, to me… are so evil because they had no concern about the attempts on Trump’s life. It’s like they rallied in it. So they’re so evil. They’re not only evil, but they’re sick. They’re mentally disturbed. And I don’t know how anybody in their right mind can support one Democrat as well as some of the Republican Party that’s just as sick and mentally off as the Democrats because they team up with them and go with them against this country.
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And they hate people. Yeah, I think you’ve got to be careful because what they say about all of us sounds like what you’re saying about all Democrats. And you can’t say all Democrats are sick and evil. I think we’ve got to be careful in not just condemning an entire political party because, again, that’s how they talk about us. We’re all crazy. We’re all in a cult, and we’re all Hitler, and we’re all this, and we’re all evil. But look, there are plenty of people who seem to just have – a contempt for america at their core and truly and look there is a lot of evil incidentally you’re right there’s tons of evil all around us what do you hear about the guy at walgreens in fresno california got gunned down why because he worked at a walgreens and the killer supposedly had an axe to grind with big pharma when you embrace luigi mangione this is what’s going to happen So you’re right. No shortage of evil. But let’s just be careful not to say all Democrats because it isn’t true. Brandon in Jacksonville, Florida. Hello, Brandon.
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Hey, Mike, how’s it going on? I just wanted to say the reason why it seems like the way it is is because of left wing state sponsored propaganda. Yep. This teaches people. to hate Donald Trump. When they see Make America Great Again hats, they say evil, but in reality, all it is is, hey, let’s make America great again.
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I mean, that’s literally what the hat says. And who’s against making America great? You think about it.
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When you get these interest rates down, you know, everyone’s going to reap the benefits. Trump is in office for all people. Bingo.
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That’s exactly right. I mean, this is what I never understand about these people. Don’t they want their taxes lowered? Don’t they want border security? Don’t they want law and order? Don’t they want criminal law? Well, some of them don’t. But it just intrigues me. And if you’re not understanding the tariffs… And look, I don’t claim to be any kind of economic expert. I joked yesterday with the team, boy, this is fun navigating through tariffs like I know my you-know-what from a hole in the ground. But there’s a lot of smart people around me who do. What do you hear the way Kevin McCullough breaks it all down over at townhall.com? We’ll share that with you and a whole lot more next.
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So President Trump announces sweeping global tariffs and cue the America haters to cheer for America’s utter collapse. Never seen anything like it. I’m so intrigued and riveted by all those lining up, excitedly hoping that the economy tanks, rooting against farmers, factory workers, waiters, waitresses, ordinary, hardworking, taxpaying, God-fearing people. And because of the hatred of Donald Trump, They want it all to fail. There’s not even a sliver, not even a sliver of cautious optimism in any of the media coverage. It’s brutal. It’s absolutely brutal. The president wants to put America first, and they hate that. My producer has a theory. It’s because they hate America. And I don’t want to go there, but I’m starting to think she’s right. Why would you want this economic agenda to fail? You may be worried about it. Look, but at the very least, you’d say it’s either going to be a huge success or a disaster. But they’re not even giving out any hope that it can be a success. It’s crazy to see how quickly… people who despise Trump exhibit their anti-American persona. There’s no other way to put it. Trump is a guy who’s been raising the alarms about unfair trade practices for decades. You doubt that? You don’t believe me? Let me take you to 1988. when a young Donald J. Trump was a guest of Oprah Winfrey.
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Last year, criticizing U.S. foreign policy. What would you do differently, Donald?
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I’d make our allies, forgetting about the enemies, the enemies you can’t talk to so easily, I’d make our allies pay their fair share. We’re a debtor nation. Something’s going to happen over the next number of years with this country because you can’t keep going on losing $200 billion. And yet we let Japan come in and dump everything right into our markets and everything. It’s not free trade. If you ever go to Japan right now and try to sell something, forget about it. Just forget about it. It’s almost impossible. They don’t have laws against it. They just make it impossible. They come over here. They sell their cars, their VCRs. They knock the hell out of our companies. And, hey, I have tremendous respect for the Japanese people. I mean, you can respect somebody that’s beaten the hell out of you, but they are beating the hell out of this country. Kuwait, they live like kings. The poorest person in Kuwait, they live like kings. and yet they’re not paying. We make it possible for them to sell their oil. Why aren’t they paying us 25% of what they’re making? It’s a joke.
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This sounds like political presidential talk to me, and I know people have talked to you about whether or not you want to run. Would you ever?
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Probably not, but I do get tired of seeing the country ripped off. Why would you not? I just don’t think I really have the inclination to do it. I love what I’m doing. I really like it.
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Also, it doesn’t pay as well. No, it doesn’t.
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But, you know, I just probably wouldn’t do it, Oprah. I probably wouldn’t, but I do get tired of seeing what’s happening with this country. And if it got so bad, I would never want to rule it out totally because I really am tired of seeing what’s happening with this country, how we’re really making other people live like kings, and we’re not.
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You’ve said, though, that if you did run for president, you believed you’d win.
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That was 35 years ago. That was 1988.
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1988!
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Isn’t that wild? Now, fast forward… 35 years ahead, let’s look at yesterday, April 2nd, 2025. A little bit older Donald Trump.
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We’re going to start being smart and we’re going to start being very wealthy again. We’re going to be wealthy as a country because they’ve taken so much of our wealth away from us. We’re not going to let that happen. We truly can be very wealthy. We can be so much wealthier than any country. It’s not even believable, but we’re getting smart. Nearly a century later, in the face of unrelenting economic warfare, the United States can no longer continue with a policy of unilateral independence. economic surrender. We cannot pay the deficits of Canada, Mexico and so many other countries. We used to do it. We can’t do it anymore. We take care of countries all over the world. We pay for their military. We pay for everything they have to pay. And then when you want to cut back a little bit, they get upset that you’re not taking care of them any longer. But we have to take care of our people and we’re going to take care of our people first.
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And I’m sorry to say that. I have a question for anyone in this audience who doesn’t like Donald Trump. Maybe you didn’t vote for him. Maybe you’re disappointed in him. Maybe you don’t like his personality. Whatever your reason is. There’s plenty of room for debate and disagreement in America. It’s who we are. I’ve got to ask you a direct question. Don’t you think he wants this economy to prosper? Even if you hate him. Do you actually think he’s setting out to tank the American economy? This is how delusional people get. This is what Trump hatred does to people. My friend Mark Davis says it often. It makes nice people mean and it takes smart people and makes them dumb. He’s been talking about this for decades. Unfair trade. Why in the world does a country get to punish us with their tariffs and we’re supposed to say, thank you, sir, may I have another? Let’s get building again. Let’s open up factories again in Ohio and Indiana and Michigan. Let’s build American cars. What’s wrong with this? And even if you don’t like him, Don’t you want America to succeed? Do you remember when Rush Limbaugh got into a world of hurt years ago? It came up that somehow he said something about the American agenda. If the American agenda succeeds under Barack Obama, that would be bad. I want it to fail because I want Obama to fail. Oh, they went crazy. He’s a monster. Look at that. He’s rooting against America. What do you think virtually the entire universe that hates Trump is doing right now over tariffs? They’re rooting for America to fail. They want America to fall flat on its face so they can say, aha, Trump was a bad president. He’s a bad guy. And shame on every single one of them. Shame on the networks, the legacy media, the Democrats. Why can’t you say, look, I don’t like the guy, I didn’t vote for him, but I’m pulling for the American farmer. I sure want a guy in a factory in Alabama to succeed. You know what I mean? It’s just crazy. And Tracy’s theory, my producer, it’s because they don’t like America. They hate the country. Now, it seems a little extreme, but what else can explain it? What else explains bellowing about how awful Trump’s tariffs are? Reciprocal tariffs. Putting America first. That’s awful? That’s terrible? That’s maniacal? Are you kidding me? Let’s put your voice front and center. Thursday, we’re a little fired up today. April 3rd, great to have you along for the ride. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. Hope you join us.
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A lot of really insightful text messages coming in on the MyPillow text line from Ohio. Trump is not the only one who’s known about this for decades. See Milton Friedman, for goodness sakes. We just have had the poorest type of leadership, a pack of fools and grifters, running this great nation into the ground for their own selfish, petty, tyrannical benefit. Georgia, Mike, it’s disgusting to see how giddy the media sounds over Trump’s tariffs. I just heard ABC talk about how prices could rise as much as $7,000 per household. That’s why the stock market’s tanking today, all based off fear initiated by the mainstream media. And finally, North Carolina, Gary, Mike, those who support globalism want the U.S. brought down to the level of other countries in the world. Make the U.S. consumer pay to raise up other countries. It’s an absolute disgrace to see the way Trump haters are rooting against America. It gets back to what I said all through both campaigns, 2016 and 2020. They don’t hate Trump. They hate us. They hate Americans. They want Americans to fail. We should be punished. for having an ideological or political view that they don’t agree with. Jacob has been hanging patiently in Michigan. Hey, Jacob, thanks for hanging in there with us. Hey, how are you? Why do you think so many people are rooting against America, not just Trump?
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Besides the globalism, I think they’ve drank the Kool-Aid the Democrats were selling, and now it’s become a core belief. To deny that belief, they have to admit they were fools that believed the Democrats’ lies. And who wants to believe they’re a fool? That undermines their credibility in the future and is humiliating also.
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It’s a great observation because, you know, we could say they drank the Kool-Aid about Trump. You know, he’s going to be studied by historians for the rest of time. I mean, there’s never been a political figure like him in the history of America. And people are going to study his personality, everything that goes with it. Okay, so I can accept… They drank the Kool-Aid. They accept he’s Adolf Hitler. And they’re goofy and they’re wrong, but okay, so be it. But why did they then transfer that to you and me? You know, why can’t they leave it at Trump?
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It’s because of that core belief. It has become a core belief. And if you look at core beliefs for people, you know, it’s something you’re raised with. It’s something that you believe in. And so at that point, You can’t deny that core belief. It’d be no more different than a Christian denying they were a Christian or a Muslim denying they were a Muslim. Those are core beliefs. These have become these people’s core beliefs.
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It’s become a part of who they are. It’s their existence. And they have to do something that nobody likes to do, admit they were wrong.
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Correct. And that’s what drives the majority. I see them out doing the old, you know, picketing and stuff and protesting against Musk. Why would they protest against a guy like that when he’s done so much for our country, when he actually was the main guy for the Democrats for their new green scam?
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Everybody gets an electric car. That’s right. Save the planet, and we’re all going to be in good shape. You know what’s funny, Jacob, and you made me think about the way they’ve turned on Elon Musk and Donald Trump. You know, they used to love these guys. They loved these guys. There’s Oprah, 35 years ago, 1988, fawning all over him. I mean, he was a coveted guest on the Oprah Winfrey show in 1988. I remember seeing a Comedy Central roast that was from years ago, and they were roasting Trump. And the whole room said he ought to run for president. They were cheering for him. White, black entertainers. They were all, oh, my gosh, he’d be the greatest guy in the world. Elon Musk. You’re right. He was saving the planet. Look at what he’s done. SpaceX and Tesla and electric cars. And then he joined the Trump team. Now he’s the boogeyman. Yeah, that’s basically what it is. That’s all it is. It was worth waiting for you, Jacob. Thank you for your patience and hanging in there with us. I know we held you over, but Tracy said you had some great points. It really is true. It’s just a fundamental human condition. Can’t admit you’re wrong, and you don’t want the guy to succeed in any way, shape, or form. I mean, do you remember when they were mad at Limbaugh? for saying that I hope the Obama agenda fails because then America fails? Don’t you want America to succeed, even if you hate Donald Trump? Here’s Peter Navarro, a guy who, boy, you talk about a neck-snapping journey. Wasn’t too long ago they were hauling him out of it. Wasn’t he the one that they went and locked up? Now, of course, appearing on television on behalf of President Trump, playing a key role, it seems, in the Trump administration. Here’s what he said yesterday on Fox News.
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Liberation Day. Let us celebrate that.
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Well, CNBC says it’s a bloodbath tomorrow. They don’t know how long this process is going to take. Paul Krugman just said you’ve lost your mind.
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All right. Let me let me unravel some of this stuff. I mean, first of all, the media and the economists and everybody in between have been absolutely wrong about trade. Going back to the days, they said NAFTA was going to be great for America. They destroyed NAFTA. Our manufacturing base and led to a mass illegal immigration. They said China getting into the WTO was going to be great. We lost five million manufacturing jobs in one hundred thousand factories. And during the first term, Jesse, and this I’m bearing the lead. You remember this. Every one of those people from Krugman on down. said that the Trump tariffs in the first term on China, on steel and aluminum, on solar, on dishwashers and go on down. What did they say? They said, oh, recession, oh, inflation. What do we have? Price stability, economic prosperity. And for me, the most gratifying thing being in that White House was real inflation. Wages increasing for workers in blue-collar America and the middle class. And that was the greatest achievement of the Trump administration, besides everything else he did.
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There’s a fundamental belief that the joke is if Trump managed to walk on water, they’d say he’s too stupid to swim, to learn how to swim. If he cured cancer, everything he does… And look, it’s politics, tribalism. Maybe we’re guilty of that to some extent, too. I remember when I gave Obama some credit for killing Osama bin Laden. Some of you came after me saying, oh, how dare you give him any credit? We all tend to forget to give credit where credit is due. At the end of the day, we’ve got to do better. 800-655-MIKE.
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mike gallagher every day mike visits with mark davis morning host on 6 60 a.m the answer in dallas here’s today’s eminem experience darling darker shame thank you for all the joy and i’m guessing many americans in 1963 heard this and said hey who’s this woman
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No way people thought this was a guy. Nope. But it was. It was. Not only was it a guy. That, of course, is Wayne Newton and Duncan Shane from 1963. Wayne Newton is 83. And I remember that. And about a decade later, he had a kind of a heart-rending, or as they say in Maryland, heart-rendering. You remember Daddy, Don’t You Walk So Fast? Oh, yeah. A story about a dad that’s about to bail and the kids are going, you know. But here’s the thing about Wayne Newton. Listen, you’re just wrapping up one of the many Johnny Carson biographies. Wayne Newton, of course, clad in a tux, became king of Vegas and also apparently king of intimidation because, boy, Johnny Carson was comically vicious toward the effeminacy of Wayne Newton. And at one point, apparently, Wayne Newton had some people visit Johnny to stop those jokes. Come on, really? Yep. And they did. Is that in the book? I think I it’s well, I’ve read five of them. There’s the one that Bushkin wrote. Yeah. Carson the Magnificent. Are you done with I don’t know if it’s addressed in that, but it’s yeah. And I think Johnny kind of actually might have talked about it in his 60 minutes thing. So do not mess with Wayne Newton. And well, I certainly won’t. He’s as much today.
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As much as I love Vegas, I hate that I’ve never seen him perform. I think it’d be fun. And I think he still performs occasionally. He lives out there and he’s had a residency there forever. It would be fun to see him on stage because he certainly is an icon and a legend. So happy birthday, Wayne.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know who Lisa and I saw? Circa two, we saw in one big Vegas visit, circa 02 or 03, Tony Bennett. And at that point, even there, he’s in his late 70s or 80s or something. And at one point in a in a hall that holds about 2000 people, he just puts the mic down and sings a song without benefit of microphone, because in filling that hall, his his voice was just that strong. Nice. And then we saw Jerry Seinfeld, I think, the following night. Seinfeld doing stand-up, still one of the great practitioners of the art, walks out. And again, this was over the holidays. Walks out and he says, wow, look at this. Vegas at Christmas, just like Jesus would have wanted. Exactly. nothing like vegas i love vegas and i’m not a gay i’m not really a big gambler or smoker drinker or anything but i love the restaurants and the hotels and the shows and you gotta you gotta give me a list because i’ve sort of put the gambling thing in my rearview mirror i mean we at least and i spent some serious time at craps tables and it accrued to our great benefit some days not so much we wound up on the plus side which is great but i’m just kind of done with that it’s not the Best stewardship of my money. But Vegas as an entertainment mecca and the shows you can see and the food and the stuff, the sphere. I mean, I still got to do the spheres.
SPEAKER 13 :
I saw the Eagles at the Sphere and that was a spectacular experience. And all the Cirque shows are great. I mean, it’s like they take a theater and they say, let’s have no budget. Let’s just build the biggest theater. stage and theater and sets we can build. So anyway, hey, let’s get down to some business here and talk some serious stuff. Let’s talk about the horrific, horrific stabbing of Austin Metcalf that you’ve been talking about all morning and doing such a brilliant job as usual. And you have the right tone. I love your prayerful attitude, not only about the young man who was allegedly killed in cold blood, but the alleged killer as well, Carmelo Anthony. You know, you are deftly avoiding the 800-pound elephant in the room. And I notice that you have not touched what is all over social media over this killing. And I am intrigued by this. Not by you, by the way. I know why you’re not even there, because it doesn’t even cross your mind, perhaps. That race is a national subject on this particular horrific tragedy. And I often wonder why. And let me tell you why. Let me give you an example. End Wokeness is an ex-Twitter account I follow. And the post shows both of these boys’ pictures. You know, Austin and this Carmelo Anthony. The Post says, say his name, Austin Metcalf, 17, high-achieving student athlete, 4.0 GPA, killed in cold blood by Carmelo Anthony, zero national outrage. I don’t know if the zero national outrage is because this was a senseless killing, these were two kids, both of whom, well, I think I know. And it bothers me tremendously. If a white kid had killed a black kid, What national outrage are we supposed to have?
SPEAKER 16 :
The Earth would stop spinning in its orbit. The reason I haven’t mentioned that is an angle. And first of all, your point is 100 percent well taken. It’s because there’s precisely zero reason to believe that race had anything to do with that. And that should be the default setting. But your point is 100 percent golden that if a white kid stabbed a black kid, we would have congressional hearings by now.
SPEAKER 13 :
And perhaps that’s why people are bringing it up now. Maybe they’re saying, look, it’s the end of the world if a white kid kills a black kid, but if a black kid kills a white kid, nobody pays attention. Well, I can assure you, people are paying attention to this case. And in this case, as you pointed out, both of these kids had bright futures. Both of these young men were promising athletes and scholars and spiritual. As you said, they both have Twitter X accounts, and they both invoke God and faith. And like you said, the Anthony family now is gutted by what this kid allegedly did. But as you said, at least he’s alive. He’ll probably be behind bars for the rest of his life. So two lives are ruined. Two lives are destroyed. And race, we’ve just got to stop, I think. And the only reason I want to just touch on it is because that’s the entire threat on social media. Oh, when a black kid kills a white kid, there’s nothing to say about it. Look. We don’t have to get into Sigmund Freud here to know what happened. It’s the basis of road rage. Happens in the blink of an eye. You see these videos posted on social media all the time. Two people have a disagreement, and before you know it, one of them is dead. And that’s because we have these hair-trigger atmospheres where everybody feels like the other person is out to get them. You cut in front of somebody on I-35, boom, that’s the end of the world. I’m going to cut him off, and I’m going to beat him up, and I’m going to get up. Before you know it, somebody’s got a gun out, and somebody’s dead. And that’s what happens. Allegedly, as I understand it, the one kid was in the wrong space or a wrong seat or a wrong place, and they got into a disagreement about that. And, Mark, you know how those things go. One thing leads to another, and they’re insulting each other. And before you know it, there’s a fight. And then this kid pulls out a knife out of his backpack, I guess. Like you said, what’s he doing with a knife in his backpack? But what are you going to do? Are you going to go through every backpack in an outdoor track meet?
SPEAKER 16 :
How do you prevent that from happening? Well, that’s one of the things I heard in the stories is now there may be focus on security at such events. Security at a high school stadium for a track meet?
SPEAKER 13 :
We’re going to have metal detectors there now? Oh, I know. That’s where we go. And God forbid if it would have been a gun. That’d be the end of the world on that one. That’d be gun control.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now we need knife control. Exactly.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s just, like you said, what we need to do is lean into prayer. I hope that both of these families, particularly the family of Austin Metcalf, who now has to be buried, I hope they take some comfort in knowing that, at least from his public postings, he was right with the Lord. And that should bring them some comfort, because as you said in your beautiful prayer this morning, He’s now in the loving arms of God and our Savior. The whole story, when that twin came out, I just had to almost pull the car over to the side of the road when you shared that about in the middle of the report with the mother. And incidentally, kudos to you for understanding why people give interviews. They want the world to know about their beautiful boy. They want the world – they don’t want people to forget Austin Metcalf. And if it means giving an interview – and as you said, everybody grieves in a different way. Some days I look back at my wife’s funeral. I didn’t want to have the receiving line at White’s Chapel afterwards. I just thought, you know, I can’t do this. I just can’t. And I felt terrible because I remember – remember Tom Leppert, the mayor of Dallas at the time? Of course. He showed up. It came to my wife’s funeral. And when we were pulling away in the funeral thing, I looked over and just trying to, I was numb, but I do remember the memory of Tom and some other people standing there looking kind of confused. Like, why is Mike and the family leaving? Why aren’t they standing to shake hands? Because that’s such a funeral tradition. And I couldn’t do it. I just didn’t have it. I just thought it’s all I could do to get through the service. I can’t believe she’s gone. And I just appreciated so much everybody being there. And I look back at that and think how rude I was in doing that in the moment because I should have been gracious enough to say hi to everybody and thank them. I think there’s special dispensation in a case like that. I hope so. And I hope Tom forgives me. And I hope because I remember him. I could see him as we were driving away. He was like looking kind of confused, like, why are they leaving? And I thought, you know, and it’s partly to do with what we do for a living. We have to be on, you know, when we’re with a crowd, we’re on a cruise ship and we’re at an M&M experience. You know, you’re shaking hands and slapping, slapping backs and kissing babies. And I just didn’t feel like doing that that day. And I hope people have some forgiveness in their heart. By the way, percent. Hey, let’s take one minute, two minutes in the final time we have left to pivot on to the tariffs. Yes. I’m old enough to remember that Rush Limbaugh got eviscerated because he said something about, you know, I don’t want America’s agenda to succeed because it’s Obama’s agenda. Remember that? Remember there was a big drama? Well, now we’re witnessing this on steroids. Have you ever stopped to think about how all the legacy media and all the Democrats are rooting against America with these tariffs?
SPEAKER 16 :
They would love it. if the stock market totally tanked, if jobs were lost, and if America’s manufacturing sector suffered for a long time.
SPEAKER 13 :
Seriously, that’s what they’re doing. I mean, there’s not a sliver of optimism in any of the coverage except for conservative media. You go to Town Hall, you go to Salem News Channel, you go to 660 AM The Answer, you listen to newscasts. Look, this is a big, bold move. But, you know, Trump has talked about… I found an Oprah Winfrey interview he gave 35 years ago. where he said our allies aren’t paying their fair share. And this is called fair trade. But you’ve got people like Mitch McConnell’s lining up against it. Shocker. Murkowski and Collins. Shocker.
SPEAKER 16 :
And Rand Paul. Now, the only guy – I’m going to give Rand Paul a special carve-out of sincerity because he’s such an uber-libertarian. He doesn’t want government intervention in the trade marketplace at all. He just sort of wants it all to kind of even out, and I understand that.
SPEAKER 13 :
He’s consistent, I guess, but – But let’s be united Republicans. How about we give some cover to the guy? Look, Pierce Morgan had a quote that I thought resonated. He said, look, this is either going to be one of the biggest, most spectacular success stories in the history of America, or it’s going to be an abysmal failure. And, you know, I know he’s Captain Obvious there, but nonetheless… Can we at least have a little bit of optimism for America? Look, no matter what you think of Trump, I don’t care if you’re the biggest Trump hater on the planet. Do you really think he’s sitting around saying, let me figure out a way to tank the economy? Exactly. You know what I mean? These people lost their minds. We’re going to talk, we hope, today to the great Stephen Moore and maybe Seb Gorka. Yeah, these are great people. And Scott Besson, what a smart, bright guy.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, we don’t spend a lot of time with our careers saying, hey, how about that Treasury Secretary? I know. Who even is the Treasury Secretary? Well, we know who everybody is in this administration because they’re all various shades of awesome.
SPEAKER 13 :
They sure are. And so let’s just keep praying for our country, see how it goes. All right. Good job. Happy Wednesday. Or what is this? Thursday.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thursday. It’s crazy. Thursday already, dude. It means that. You know what that means. You know what tomorrow is? Tomorrow is the couple of days early Mike Gallagher’s 65th birthday. No, no, no, no, no. Skip it.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, no.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s right, everybody.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s a moratorium.
SPEAKER 16 :
Get ready. It’s tomorrow.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’ve got a tech segment. A lady on X from Minnesota said, would you stop whining about turning 65? She said, I’m turning 65 in October. You’re making me nervous.
SPEAKER 16 :
I mean, I’m just not.
SPEAKER 13 :
Your kids. Your kids, I tell you. Got here quick. It arrived quickly. All right. Happy Thursday, my friend. I love you. Great work. And great work today, Mark. Thank you. Great work on this.
SPEAKER 16 :
I appreciate it so very, very much. Great work every day from Mike. And it starts at 10 as soon as we’re done on 660 AM. He answers.
SPEAKER 15 :
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