In this enlightening episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush dives deep into the complexities of global trade and the implications of new tariffs on the market. Joined by renowned political commentator Amy Robbins, the discussion ventures into the impact of these strategies on both local and international scales. Amy shares insights on the long-standing trade deficit and how recent policies aim to revive U.S. manufacturing and narrow the gap. The debate on the market’s reaction to these changes offers a thought-provoking perspective on global economic tactics and their effects on Wall Street.
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All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Amy Robbins joining us now. She is a parlor brand voice and political commentator. Amy, welcome back. How are you?
SPEAKER 20 :
Hey, guys. Great to be here. I’m doing wonderful.
SPEAKER 04 :
Always a joy. There’s a lot going on, of course. We were watching the market even before we came on air today as it starts to wind down as soon as we come on air. And it went up, it went down, it went up, it still came back down a little bit. Lots of fear, of course, over tariffs, which… That’s a topic in and of itself. Andy and I both, just so you know, are of the opinion that they are much needed. They are long overdue. The market, of course, is made up mostly of globalists, and they hate anything to do with making America great again, by the way. And the reality is, of course, the market’s going to do what it’s doing.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, of course it is. And I’m right there with you. I mean, guys, we have been running a trade deficit consistently since the mid 1970s. And we’ve only started to see that gap widening significantly over the decades. So like you said, this is absolutely long overdue. And one of the things that I love to point out right now as I am talking to people about what’s going on with the tariffs now. Disclaimer, I’m no tariff expert, but I do understand the strategies that President Trump is trying to implement. And so when we’re talking about what, like, why are we even having these discussions right now? You’ve got four main things. You’ve got the revitalizing U.S. manufacturing industry. and job creation you’ve got a strategy of narrowing the trade deficit correct you’ve got just generating federal revenue for tax cuts and then fourth is just using it strictly as a negotiating tool and i’ve said this before even the first term when president trump was elected like everybody that questions president trump just needs to go back and read his book the art of the deal because we are actually seeing that play out right now in what’s happening with with these trade talks
SPEAKER 11 :
Amy, here’s what I don’t understand. Look, I get the big shock, right? These tariffs have built up piece by piece over several decades. He’s trying to level them overnight. And I understand that’s going to be too much of a shock for the stock market. I get it. But what I don’t understand is how come the stock market is taking so long to rebound when we’re seeing 70 countries come and say, hey, we want to cut far better deals than you guys have had with us for decades. I mean, why isn’t that sending a louder message to Wall Street?
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I can answer that. Because it’s not what they want. Again, if you’re looking at this from the globalist point of view, it’s not what they want. They want it to be the way it was before. They want other countries having an advantage over the United States of America, not having the playing field level. That’s my opinion. Amy, your thoughts?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I was going to say, I think it’s manmade manufacturing of what we’re seeing in the markets right now and the people that are manipulating that. You’re exactly right. Those are the people that that want to be able to control the global markets. And so I think that’s what we’re seeing play out right this second. But I just want to go back to that point that. I think out of those four strategies that I mentioned earlier, the negotiation tool to me is probably the biggest part of it because, like you said, we’re already seeing 70 countries, and we’ve got countries like Taiwan, Vietnam. People want to complain about a 46% tariff on Vietnam when they have been putting a 90% import tax on the U.S. for a very long time, and nobody’s complaining about that. So the mere mention of 40% tariffs on this to the table to want to get to 0%. To me, that’s right there. that this is all negotiation tactic.
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Well, yeah, I mean, we’re about to open up markets all around the world that have been flat out closed, Amy. I mean, our businesses are going to be able to sell to places they have not been able to sell ever, really. I mean, as long as those businesses have been in place. And on top of that, you’ve got several trillion that are pledged for new investment in the United States. I don’t understand why the stock market doesn’t care at all. Look, I understand the shock. I understand the stock market dropping off 10%, 12% initially. I get that. I expected that. I think we all did to a degree. What I don’t understand is, look, the thing that’s really surprised me is to have this many countries coming to Trump this quickly to negotiate. I knew they would. I just figured it’d be a week or two.
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, it didn’t surprise me at all.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, gosh, so fast.
SPEAKER 20 :
that the media was going to try to bury him and put all of the blame for the pain and discomfort, the short-term pain and discomfort that the American families were going to feel. He was willing to go through that for the long-term gain and long-term benefit.
SPEAKER 11 :
Bottom line, I guess my question is, doesn’t anyone see how great this is about to be?
SPEAKER 20 :
No, because you’re talking about people that read headlines only and they play into that fear and panic selling that we’re seeing. I mean, we have seen this happen in the stock market. We have rebounded many times in the past. And I think that. I don’t think it’s going to take as long as some people think. I do think that once more countries come to the table and we get this worked out, I think we’re going to see a lot quicker in the stock market.
SPEAKER 04 :
Agreed. And keep in mind, too, that necessarily listening to that, you know, traders are finicky. They don’t like change at all. They’re willing to move everything from one entity to another, depending upon the winds that blow, if you would, Amy. So the reality is I wasn’t shocked at all by what the market saw. has done it will eventually come back and it won’t take very long i don’t think to come back keep in mind as well another flip side to this that i’m sure andy you and i or amy you and andy both would agree with me on this for all of you listening please hear me out here i said all along trump has to figure out an end around the fed the fed doesn’t want to play ball when it comes to lowering rates everything that’s happening right now is this is a necessity to be able to make the fed then lower rates which trump knows we have to have to get housing and other things back on track it’s small business related it’s housing related and so on reality is interest rates need to come down a full point to really get things back on track economically speaking this is all part of that plan
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Oh, yeah, I absolutely think so. And I I don’t know if you guys are watching like what’s happening in the crypto markets.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, I have been.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, but I also think what’s happening over there is very interesting because, you know, everybody had this high optimism about the crypto markets. Once President Trump took office, you know, he was very pro crypto, especially pro crypto. And for those people that are kind of watching what’s going on with Bitcoin, even though we saw Bitcoin drop below $82,000, which is the lowest it’s been in quite a while, I still think that this volatility in the market is going to level out. And it, to me, gives some exciting opportunity to U.S.-based crypto projects. I don’t know if you guys are aware, but like Parler is a really neat crypto project that’s built on the Optio blockchain. And President Trump has been very pro-American crypto projects. So, you know, if you’re not into the crypto game, maybe now is a good chance to start looking at some of these newer projects that are popping up like the Octio project, because to me, it’s a good time actually to get in. I know people that spent a lot when Bitcoin was high might not be looking at it that way. But I actually think that the future is bright for cryptocurrencies.
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All right. How do folks find you, Amy?
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Yeah, go find me. You can go watch my show on Play TV. Just download Play TV by Parler in the App Store. You can go to playtv.com, and you can find me on all social media channels at TheAmyRobbins.
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Awesome. Amy, as always, I appreciate it very much.
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Great conversation, guys.
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putting reason into your afternoon drive this is john rush all right we are back
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Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, myself, Andy Pate. Okay, speaking of China, which we’ll get into some of what they’re doing and my own opinions on China and so on. And as a side note, this is something that we’ll have a conversation with Jordan Goodman probably. Is he coming on with us next week? Is it next week that he joins us? Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Can I ask you really quick, John?
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Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Is it the Chinese or Japanese culture with falling on your sword?
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Both.
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Because economically, I’m sorry, going toe to toe with the United States when they are totally dependent on our market and the United States consumer seems really dumb, especially when their co-leader over there, India, has already come to the United States and said, hey, Trump, we want to make a deal. Don’t you think this is getting that the heat is getting a little hot under China?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and along those lines, I want to put this in context because the news media typically won’t do that. This article I’m reading out of USA Today did not. A Chinese official criticized Vice President J.D. Vance on Tuesday for referring to its people as peasants as trade tensions escalate between the two countries. Speaking on Fox News, Fox and Friends on Thursday, Vance responded to questions about how tariffs would bring prices down while boosting domestic manufacturing by talking about the national debt. Quote, To make it a little more crystal clear, we borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy things those Chinese peasants manufacture, he said.
SPEAKER 11 :
Now, by the way… Yeah, he’s talking about people who are being mishandled by their government. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, point being, he’s not wrong. And this won’t be anywhere in any of these articles, because I did a little research. And I kind of knew this off the top of my head, but I wanted to double-check to make sure that I was fairly accurate. In China… The average income, again, these are things that you’re not going to see published by mainstream media. Average income for the average citizen of China is $4,500 USD. So $4,500. They all do it in yuan, but it’s $4,500 USD is what it converts to. Annual? Annual.
SPEAKER 11 :
$4,500 annually. $4,500 annually. Right, and that’s because of the interior. Nobody makes money in the interior.
SPEAKER 04 :
If you work for the government, you make about $10,000. Right. And those that are kind of at the top end. I’m not talking about the big millionaires and some of those guys that have gotten in with government and so on. I’m not talking about them. Keep in mind, this is average, so they even count. You’ve got millionaires that are making a boatload of money and peasants that are making little of nothing. So even on the top end of the average pay, it’s $16,000 a year. That’s less than half of what Americans make on average. Right. So my point is, for J.D. Vance to call them peasants… He was doing that on purpose because what he’s really saying to China is, you guys not only manipulate your currency, you manipulate your people, and you try to stay ahead in the world economic end of things because of the things that you do to your quote-unquote peasants, and you ought to be paying attention to what’s going on there. Right. By the way, I believe everything that J.D. Vance said was correct, and he should say it more often.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yeah. And Vance has spoken on this.
SPEAKER 04 :
China doesn’t like hearing that, by the way.
SPEAKER 11 :
He doesn’t believe the China leadership treats their people well.
SPEAKER 04 :
They treat them like crap. Right. It’s a communist regime.
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Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
They treat them awful.
SPEAKER 11 :
Exactly. You know, I mean, let’s face it. China’s economy largely happens on the coast. People in the interior are just in poverty. It’s absolute hell.
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And most of them hate living there. If they could come here in a heartbeat, they would. Right. Talk to anybody that has figured out a way to get out of China and come and live in the United States of America and become a U.S. citizen, and they will tell you everything we’re saying is exactly correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, but John, I thought they loved communism.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, most of them. That’s funny how they all want to leave.
SPEAKER 11 :
All these people who are right now singing songs and parading through the streets and, you know, with, you know, things hanging everywhere. Elon and hanging Trump and chanting.
SPEAKER 04 :
The whole hands-off movement, you mean?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, hands-off. They’re all saying that, you know, the world really loves what China does.
SPEAKER 04 :
These people are idiots.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because, you know, there are so many Americans trying to get through the lines and move to China.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, no. No one is.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know who’s not moving to China? Any of those protesters.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, good point.
SPEAKER 11 :
The gate’s open, guys. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re more than welcomed. Well, is it? We’re trying to let them in? Well, I’m talking about our gate. We’re only guarding it coming in. We’ll let you go. Once again, the same people that are protesting the very things that they’re protesting against have no idea what they’re protesting against. They’re knuckleheads. They’re morons. They have no idea what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. Can you imagine China, though, if they were told they could get a bunch of people like that who produce nothing and are there only to have billionaires like Soros pay them to protest?
SPEAKER 04 :
We’re going to send those to you. I saw an interview last night of somebody that was paid to protest, a young lady. Kind of felt sorry for her. I mean, in a way it did, in a way it didn’t. She’s trying to make ends meet, so she saw an ad protesting, make $110 for the day. And part of the agreement with the protest is you can’t wear any red. Can’t wear anything MAGA at all. Can’t bring any signs MAGA-related, of course. Got to bring some sort of a sign. You get extra pay if you bring a sign of some kind that’s against all of that end of things. Against Trump and Elon. Against Trump, Musk, etc. Right. key is at the end you have to fill out a survey and answer all the questions correctly to get paid for example what’s donald trump doing to ruin the country you’ve got to answer that correctly other questions along those lines i’m not joking andy i saw a video that i hadn’t heard oh yeah they’re having to fill out a questionnaire at the end that has to be answered correctly or they don’t get paid now all the comments that i actually read on this particular video were so you’re selling out your country for 110 bucks
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m like, that’s a good comment. Spot on. Absolutely. You’re selling out your country for 110 bucks.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, the thing that really blew my mind, John, because I watched a number of these protests on Fox News and, you know, they weren’t targeting anywhere. They were just scanning over the crowd. Right. Right. And these were a number of them were in areas that have pretty large black and Hispanic populations.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
All the protesters were white. I mean, virtually all of them were white. They were imports.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
They didn’t live there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Did you notice this? I did not pay any attention to that, but that’s a good point. It’s because they’ve all bust in. They’re all imported in.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and I think Jesse might have mentioned it on his show last night. Jesse Waters might have mentioned it. Somebody did. Somebody on Fox last night mentioned it also. They said, do you notice that virtually all these protesters are white?
SPEAKER 04 :
And old. A lot of them are old, by the way. Oh, yeah, yeah. Not young. Now, this gal that I watched do the interview was fairly young because she needed the money and went ahead and agreed to go. Now, I will say this. When it was all said and done, I think even she was thinking to herself, you could see this from just her body language and so on. She’s thinking, I’m not doing that again.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
That wasn’t worth it. Yeah, that wasn’t worth it. Not what I believe in. Not what I signed up for.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, there’s easier ways to make $110.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and so she was at the end of that like, yeah, I’m not doing that again. But yes, there’s a questionnaire at the end. It has to be filled out correctly or you don’t get paid.
SPEAKER 11 :
John, let me ask you something. Don’t you think the Democrat leaders right now are utterly terrified of the notion that Trump might actually cut some of these deals with these foreign leaders and might actually improve our trade relations over what we’ve had for decades? If he pulls that off… What are they going to do when all they’ve got right now is the most mindless minions that they have to pay to show up that you’ve ever seen? That’s their army. And Trump right now is cutting deals with other nations that might give us better trade relations than we’ve had in generations.
SPEAKER 04 :
And may last for decades.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. What are they going to do?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that is a good question, Andy, because… It really puts a hole in their narrative over and over again when these sorts of things happen. When we become stronger, other countries are willing to play ball. We have more manufacturing here and things start to happen here. More jobs happen and so on. This is another interesting thing that I was reading yesterday. That kind of fits into all of this. This was about the job or the the the car market, the auto industry around Detroit. So I was reading some articles because I’m a car guy, as you know. So I was reading some articles about some some of the vendors, some of the suppliers that are around, you know, Ford and GM in Detroit and what they do and the parts they make and so on. And so they interviewed one particular owner of a company that said that, you know, I’m going to do the very best I can to try to, you know, make sure that I can handle these tariffs and so on. The reality is I’m probably going to have to bring some things back and start making some things here. So in this particular case, I don’t know exactly what this person made. Some sort of electronic something didn’t say exactly what it was. Could have been a circuit board module, who knows what. But in this particular case, he makes circuit boards overseas and brings them back in. Takes 10 people in whatever country he’s doing this in, didn’t say, some foreign country, to build the same circuit board that he literally can bring back to the U.S. because of robotics. It takes two. So point is, folks, will these other countries give up 10 jobs knowing that that guy can bring that whole entire thing for the same cost back to the U.S. and only have two jobs doing it because of robotics and still produce it for the same money when it’s all said and done?
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Those countries are not going to want to lose those 10 jobs is my point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. And if they do, people say, well, we’re only getting two jobs. Yeah, but you’re getting two jobs.
SPEAKER 04 :
But you’re getting two jobs that you don’t have right now.
SPEAKER 11 :
That you don’t have right now. You’re adding jobs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
Granted, there’s a lot of robotics going on, but I’m telling you what, when you have several trillion about to be invested here in America, that’s going to be a lot of jobs, John. And they’re not low-paying jobs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, what this story doesn’t tell you along those same lines, Andy, is keep in mind that even though it’s two people fully employed to run and do the robots and so on, robots still need maintained. They still have parts that break. They still have things that go wrong. They still have to be built, Andy, in the first place. I mean, we can go down the list of things that happen when you do some of those.
SPEAKER 11 :
And there are also many aspects of sales, customer service, and so forth. There are many things that are going to have to be done by people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now, in this case, with this particular guy, I do believe that no matter what the other country does, just because he wants to have more control over things moving forward, most likely those 10 foreign jobs are going away no matter what. he’s most likely going to move those jobs back here, period, because he can now do 10, not have to worry about even the imports and everything else that’s going on and so on. He can actually probably control his quality better and so on, and at the end of the day, he’ll be better off.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, last question, and if you want to answer this after the break, go ahead. I’ll just tee up here. What do you think of Trump’s timing? Because it’s starting to look rather impressive. Obviously, we’re going to go through a tough time, as Trump said. You’ve got to take the medicine, okay? But he’s looking at the midterms. What do you think about the timing of what he’s doing with trade, with these tariffs, with so much of what he’s doing with Doge? Because the effects of it are really going to be felt through the first six months of his administration, not after that.
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And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and talking about tariffs and timing in the economy and so on. And some of you brought up some great points on the text line, even when it comes to timing of crypto and so on. And yes, I do believe a lot of this is being orchestrated purposely. And I’ll go stand by what I said. Who orchestrates it? Trump is at this point.
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OK, I see what you mean. I thought you meant the backlash.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I mean, I think Trump and because there’s a lot of people even asking, well, you know, again, why are you not doing tariffs more surgical? Why are you you know, why are you using this rate? Why isn’t it not one for one? All these different things. Well, at the end of the day, he’s doing what he needs to do to make the other countries do what they need to be doing and have should have been doing a long time ago. On top of that. He’s got to get the Fed to move forward on things, and we’re not going to get interest rates back to where they need to be and really get the economy rolling, because right now they’re too high, period. They’re just flat out too high to get the economy rolling. Go ahead, Ken.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, you know, this thing on tariffs, everybody hates Trump, of course. You know, the Democrats do. But really, what alternatives have they put forward, question one? And question number two, I don’t know how many countries he put tariffs on, And then comment number three is or issue number three is he got 70 people that want to come to the table.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s 70 more than we had, like, whatever, three days ago.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
So how many people can do that? The guy is a he’s a dealmaker. He’s a negotiator. I don’t think he’s really made any bad moves in my lens since he’s been in office.
SPEAKER 11 :
Let me just jump in for just a second. I’ll turn it over to you, John. What Ken is saying is really remarkable. Who else could have 50, 60, 70 countries overnight come to you and say, oh, gee, we want to have lower tariffs with you? None. I mean, think about that. Zero. That’s unheard of. That’s absolutely unheard of. And why? It’s all because Donald Trump looked at the power of the American consumer and said, my goodness, that’s the greatest leverage in the entire world.
SPEAKER 04 :
Ken, the one thing that I’ve been kind of force-feeding into my audience and even others and people I think are finally starting to wake up to this, and I wish the White House, I wish Trump and the team would do a little bit better job of the messaging end of it, and that is we are – The world’s I said it numerous times on this program. We are the world’s largest customer of goods, period. By far. I mean, not a little bit of a big customer. We are by far the largest customer of goods in the world. And yes, people need to wake up when their largest customer says this is what I want.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, we probably consume like five times more than average in the world.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, we are close to, not quite, we’re about $28 trillion a year. The next closest is China, and they’re struggling, by the way, at $17 trillion. I think the next in line, I’m doing this from memory, I think the next in line below that, Ken, is Germany at $4 trillion. That’s how big of a difference there is.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there you go. And everybody hates him, but they don’t have any – they’re all smoke, all bluster, and no real answer.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, really quick, Ken, let’s make sure that we remind everybody of this. And, yeah, I was right. Germany is third at $4.5 trillion. China is close to $18 trillion. We’re close to $28 trillion. So reality, Ken, though, keep this in mind, that a lot of these – Folks on the left, Democrats, these wokesters, I call them, they don’t want the U.S. to be the number one consumer of goods in the world. They would just as soon see us below Germany or Japan or India or France or any of these other countries. They don’t want us to be number one. Keep that in mind.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but we are.
SPEAKER 04 :
But we are. You’re right. Exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
And so get over it, people. Grow up. The Democrats, too, you know, really all of this stuff, that Obama and Biden and a lot of what Clinton did was to usher in these problems. That’s right. That were foreseeable. That’s right. And the fact that people bought into these policies and ideas to begin with says a lot about their ability to reason and look down the road.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 08 :
And now that Trump wants to kind of clean the mess up, they don’t like it. They’d rather sit around, be nonproductive, and have their communist agenda foiled. The ruination of the nation. And all of this should have been brought out long before now, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I can’t argue that. Again, these are numbers that you’re not hearing from the media, that we on our side, and I wish that the Trump administration did a little bit better job of this, by the way. We are the 26% of the whole world GDP is what we buy as Americans. 343,000, our per capita GDP is $80,000 per person. China is the next closest at $1.4 billion, by the way, 16% of the world GDP, and yet only spend $12,000. per person germany comes in next to 53 000 at four percent of the world’s gdp so we are by far the world’s largest customer we buy stuff we buy a lot of stuff ken and andy and you know where i think uh the white house i love that girl carolyn levitt or whatever she is awesome great
SPEAKER 08 :
But that other girl, McConaughey or whatever. McEnany.
SPEAKER 04 :
McEnany. Yeah, the previous one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Brilliant. I love her. I like both these girls, but she was a badger. I mean, they would try to take her on, and Leavitt holds her own. She does very well. But McConaughey or whatever her name is, she was like the quintessential lioness. And I would say a little bit more prep and a little bit more messaging. If they ask me, that’s what I’d tell them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I wish… My biggest complaint that we have on our side all the time, Andy’s is as well, we don’t message well enough at all, and that includes Donald Trump. We need to do a better job of messaging, i.e., here’s what I’m trying to do overall. We need to get the housing market restarted. We need the Fed to kick in and start participating in some things. We need lower interest rates. On and on and on we go. He should be saying those things openly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well… You know, I’ll give him full credit for everything he’s done. But if they were to do more, I would say you’re probably right. Get them. And don’t let people forget it. I would take all these liberal reporters. I would so take them to task. I mean, I would say, did you graduate from who gave you a degree? What kind of an idiot? would think that way. You know, here’s what we’re trying to do. The problem, though, Ken, is keep this in mind, too.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is something that we’ve got to remind ourselves of. The majority of people that are either marching, protesting, that are mad, that are on TV, that are in the media, have never written a paycheck in their life. They have no idea what it takes to run a business. Or work in one. That’s true as well. A lot of them work in academia. You’re correct in that also.
SPEAKER 08 :
And, you know, a lot of it, when the smartphone came along, it seemed like a place I was working, productivity kind of went down. Really, from what I saw, it declined starting in, like, the mid-’70s and in so many areas never rebounded. Now, I don’t want to take away from it. The people out there that bust their butts to get it done. I mean, all these people, they’ve never built a bridge, a road, a car. Nope. Most of them, even a windmill. They don’t do anything except run their stupid mouth.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
If they did something and they said, I need a little more for what I do and here’s why. But they don’t. Nope. And so the left, they really don’t have anything productive to say. And I would say just… Message, message, message that you’re on the wrong track, this is what works, and the stuff you’re doing. And really, this communist progressive agenda ultimately can destroy a country. I mean, if people can’t figure that out from Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, China. I actually, I was dumb enough at one point to think, not for long, but trade with China was good. But then when I thought about it, here’s a communist country.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s funny you say that, because back in the day, and some of you may not appreciate me saying this, but there was a famous talk show host that was very open about making sure that we did do trade with China early on, and that was Rush Limbaugh. I used to listen to him talk about that, and I disagreed with him in that case. Early on, he was very much for trade with China.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was there for a while. I was in high school or something. I was there for about a a year. I thought I was a big shot because I’d read Free Communist Review or something. And then you figure out what they’re really about. is, you know… That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Into Russia’s credit, once he realized what China really was all about, that wasn’t, you know, he wasn’t that way very long, but he was for a little while. That was a big deal, you know, keep in mind, back in the 80s… Did he support most favored status, or no? I don’t know about all that, but I just know that he was very much in favor of the free trade we had going back and forth, because the cheap goods that would come in, theoretically, would lower prices.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and that’s what I thought at the time, because… The middle class, then and now, I think we’re a little greedy. It’s like we need more, more, more, more. It’s like a cereal commercial or something. And it’s like, well, how much is enough? And what do you have when you get to the end? Oh, we want more. Why? Because more is better. So that’s what I was thinking then. But really, you’re just pulling American jobs away. to make an adversary or would be enemy richer, longer, richer.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. You’re exactly right. A hundred percent.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then they use their money to we, and we have to spend more for defense and military.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
But I wonder, you know, back way back then you had Kissinger who I think kind of pimped Nixon into doing trade with China. And I don’t think he really did us a favor by doing that. And, That was probably part of kind of this progressive communist, you know, military industrial thing. You can’t have, hey, if you don’t have an enemy, you can’t have a war.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that’s true, too. I can’t argue that either.
SPEAKER 08 :
So anyway, rather than rambling on.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Somebody said they would assert that it is best to have at least some trade with an adversary just to keep an open line of communication going. I can’t deny that depending upon who the country is. For example, we do nothing with North Korea, nor should we. There’s an example of we don’t need to do any trade with North Korea.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, there are very few who rise to the kook level.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. That is an example of an adversary. But they’re extreme. They are extreme, and that’s an extreme example I just gave. But that’s an exception to that comment that was just made a moment ago by a texter. While I would agree with that, in most cases, there’s an example of, yeah, no. For example, would we do business with the Taliban? We shouldn’t. No. No. Now, if you’re Biden. Well, he would. Why not? He gave him billions. I mean, so there are going to be some of those exceptions to where you probably ought to think twice about doing trade with a particular country.
SPEAKER 11 :
True, very true. I think the texter makes a point, though, in terms of there are geopolitical foes that you’re going to have to trade with.
SPEAKER 04 :
And there’s that whole argument of you’re keeping the enemy closer and all that. Exactly. I get that, yes. Keep the lines of communication. Absolutely, absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and also, when your country has, either your country as a whole or has businesses within it, when they have economic interests in another country, they’re going to be less likely to attack that other country.
SPEAKER 04 :
Very true. For obvious reasons. Because money talks.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. You’ve got big businesses in your country saying, wait a minute, you’re going to go attack the place where I have interest.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
Where I have trade. No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and the only thing I think you’ve got to watch really closely there is, for example, China. Right. Do I trust China on any level? No.
SPEAKER 11 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
I do not. There are other countries that I trust, but China is not a country that I trust at all. Now, am I saying we should shut all trade with China off? Of course not. No, we should not shut trade with China off. We need to make the playing field a lot more level than it currently is now. And with the Chinese, do you always have to watch your back with them? Yeah, double. You better have two people watching your back because that’s how dishonest those people are. Their leaders? Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. Not the citizens, but the leaders of the country, those that are in charge, those that are in power, if you would. Yeah, those guys, those gals, you had better watch your back twice because they will stab you as quickly as they can.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, John, it still just burns me that they infected the entire world and didn’t pay any price for it. I know, I know, water under the bridge. Well, they and Fauci, you know, with the help of NIH and so forth. I know it’s water under the bridge, but if we had infected the entire world, do you think America would not have to pay anything for it?
SPEAKER 04 :
We would be.
SPEAKER 11 :
Through the nose.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely, we would be. Okay, through the nose. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
It just blows my mind. I mean, it’s like we were talking earlier about the nuggets. When you got somebody who can drive to the lane, okay, and get hacked bad, get hacked so bad that he’s knocked to the ground into the stands and no call. But you go back the other way and you barely breathe on a guy and they call a foul and it’s two shots. That’s what it’s like between us and China on the world stage. And I’m sick of it. I’m sick of it. You infected the world, man. I agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can’t argue.
SPEAKER 11 :
You can say it was done purposefully as a weapon, or you can say it was done by mistake because you were foolish in how you handled it. I really don’t care, man. You infected the world, and you didn’t pay any price at all. And meanwhile, we’re the ones paying the price. Just saying.
SPEAKER 04 :
We and the rest of the world, absolutely. And keep in mind, too, on top of everything Andy just said, keep in mind, they got extremely wealthy off of selling a lot of these safety devices we all and a lot of other countries used worldwide. Right. Everything from thermometers to you name it, Andy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and let’s keep in mind, they got the number one biggest thing that they wanted. They got Trump out of office.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s true, too.
SPEAKER 11 :
COVID, we have to face facts. COVID removed Trump from office. Before COVID, the Trump economy had made him absolutely bulletproof politically. There was no way he was going to be touched.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. Which, as a reminder to a lot of you listening, I think that’s something to remind even the family and friends around you where they may be questioning some of the tactics today. I think that’s a good reminder of just remember that prior to COVID, we had the strongest economy the world had ever seen. And I’m not exaggerating in the least when I say that it was the strongest economy the world. The data shows that strongest economy the world’s ever seen.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think Reagan also had one.
SPEAKER 04 :
They did not. Awfully good. They didn’t come close to the numbers that Trump had at that time. Go look it up. He was the strongest economy of all ever. Absolutely. Look it up. okay yes because gdp growth under reagan just skyrocketed it did under trump as well yeah it did great i i thought they both did great they’re the two best presidents of my lifetime point being those people that start asking what’s he doing why is he doing this why doesn’t he do that because he knows what he’s doing um i think because at the end of the day he’s a guy that’s written some paychecks he understand how business works he understands how the economy in the country works he’s done it once before He knows what the deep state’s all about and what those knuckleheads are constantly trying to do and how they’re always trying to undermine this, that, and the other because they’re in it for themselves, not the American people. And Trump knows that.
SPEAKER 11 :
By the way, the guy who’s really uncovering the deep state is Musk right now because he’s uncovering where the money goes. But let me ask you this. Oh, man, yes, for sure. Is Elon Musk’s biggest problem the simple enormity of what he is discovering? There’s so much, there’s no way to message it. OK, because every single person that he is uncovering, OK, this money went to here, to here, to here, to here and wound up in this politician’s pocket. This money went to there, to there, to there, to there and wound up in that donor’s pocket. OK, it’s all too big. There are so many. Let’s just face it. Democrats who are benefiting. from the graft that was our government before Trump. Does Elon have a real messaging problem? How do you put that into a message?
SPEAKER 04 :
Elon typically has a messaging problem in general because the guys, I’ve said this before, The guy’s IQ is so high that his brain is going 10 miles, 100 miles an hour faster than his mouth can keep up. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s like me and you trying to do messaging to a puppy. We don’t know what motivates the puppy. We don’t get it because we’re on a totally different intellectual level.
SPEAKER 04 :
uh and elon we don’t really totally different level where there’s times i mean i listen to him talk and love the guy i think he’s done great for the country great with doge and so on but yes he struggles in that area because andy he is thinking a hundred steps ahead of where everybody else is even those that are really smart he’s a hundred steps ahead well that guy who’s a hundred steps ahead unfortunately is uncovering thousands and thousands of instances of craft oh geez and
SPEAKER 11 :
How do you compile that into one single penetrating message so that Americans can understand just what’s happening here?
SPEAKER 04 :
You know what? And we don’t have a lot. We’ve got one guest in the third hour. We can talk about some of that in the third hour because that’s a great – you bring up a great topic because it needs to be – It’s too big. It’s too big. It needs to be communicated better. This whole hands-off thing that we saw this last weekend are from a bunch of dumb people that have no idea what he’s even doing and or they’re just so loony that they want to keep things going the same way. They want government theft to continue, I guess. Yep. But last quick question. Aren’t they helping us? In a lot of ways, yes, because they make everybody else look sane.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you.
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All right. Also, when we come back. So we’ve got a special guest joining us. Chris Israel is going to join us. We’re going to talk about small business, America first, Trump, a lot of things that we’ve even been talking about with Andy and I. And Andy are going to get into, I think, some of the things we just mentioned during the break is what are these protesters doing? Are they hurting the cause, our cause, the conservative cause, or are they actually helping it when it’s all said and done? And I think Andy and I both would agree that, and we’ll tell you why, actually let them protest, let them do their thing, because actually I think at the end of the day they’re helping us.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think so too.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’re showing how loony they really are because hands off of what? Waste, fraud, and abuse? Politically, the best thing that happened to us a few years ago was defund the cops. That’s exactly right. Another hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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