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Join John Rush as he delves into an engaging dialogue with Chris Israel of the Alliance of U.S. Startups and Inventors for Jobs. This episode explores the intricacies of the U.S.-China trade relationship, examining the challenges faced by American businesses in the global market arena. Chris shares insights on how the Trump administration’s policies are attempting to level the playing field for small businesses and safeguard intellectual property rights. Tune in to understand the implications of trade deficits, consumer choices, and the role of innovation in cementing America’s competitive edge.
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And we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and Chris Israel joining us now. And Chris is with the Alliance of U.S. Startups and Inventors for Jobs. It is the USIJ. Welcome, Chris. How are you?
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m great, John. Great to be with you this evening.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I appreciate you joining us. I am a small business owner, have been since I was 22 years of age, so a very long time. The America First agenda, which we saw the first time around with Donald Trump, and we’re now seeing again. You’re seeing some of that. Andy and I spent the last hour talking about tariffs and all sorts of things that are going on. And, of course, the markets, Chris, don’t like what’s going on. But I, as a small business owner, do.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, look, and I mean, small businesses drive America, right? I mean, you’re entrepreneurs like yourself and millions of others across the country. And those are the folks we work with and try to support every day. I mean, these are companies that have to put great ideas to work, try to find a market for them, try to find investors to have as much confidence as they do. And you’re right, President Trump And his first term was great. We focus a lot on the intellectual property issues. So this idea that, you know, you go out there as a small business, if you’re innovative, and there’s so many of them in Denver and great, great sectors, you know, you’re getting patents and you’re trying to enforce those. You’re trying to, you know, stop the Chinese from infringing on your IP. And you’re trying to just find your place in the market. And what the US IP system does is it really gives you that legal framework.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and as somebody that I’ve watched for years, some of that stuff get literally destroyed by the likes of a China. Yeah, any time we can level the playing field, I guess you could say, Chris, I’m all for. How would you, though, answer some of those folks that are out there? Because there are these people out there like, well, you know what? I like my cheap China crap. I like buying my cheap China crap, and I want to continue to see it come in. I guess I kind of look at that as a small business owner and say, well, you may like it, but really, at the end of the day, is that what’s best for America?
SPEAKER 16 :
yeah it’s you know it’s hard to put the the long-term perspective on that right and i mean and you know we’re all consumers and have kids and need to you know get things but you’re you’re right and so much of that is and the trump administration has put a number of things in in place one thing they did is uh eliminated a loophole that allows small kind of small parcels things under 800 dollars to come directly shipped from china so you know, it just levels that playing field. And, you know, the downside of that is obvious. And you and others, I’m sure, studied it for years, right? I mean, most of those things are produced with slave labor and in awful conditions. So, I mean, as consumers, I think, you know, we’ve all got a responsibility to take a hard look and where we can
SPEAKER 17 :
support the u.s supply chain like the president’s trying to do and support u.s industry i mean that’s that has to be the number one priority i think and i know this is a hard message to get out chris but personally and you know i see this on you know i came out of the auto industry that was my background still is and so i’ve seen a lot of things come out of you know china when it comes even the auto industry and things along those lines now in saying all of that Do I know that there is a distinct difference in the majority, and I’m going to go as high as, Chris, 90% of goods that you would purchase if it says made in China versus made, I hate to say this, but anywhere else, but especially the U.S. of A., there is, in most cases, 90% of the time, I believe, going to be a quality difference. How do we communicate that to the American public?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I mean, look, I mean, I think people know and see the difference. I mean, you mentioned autos, and, you know, China’s making a real push to get into the automotive sector, and they’ve stolen a lot of American intellectual property. Yes, they have. To try to leapfrog and jump, and that’s kind of the core of that. A lot of things are… wrong with that communist business model obviously it’s not a business model it’s just a dictatorship but right you know they they they take the best they steal the best technology they can find from around the world and then they they deploy it with capital from the government and labor that’s that’s subsidized and you know and then they try to then they try to go out and compete with vehicles made made here or made in other competitive places and they just they they they lose the quality test, right? I mean, they’re just, they’re just some standard in a lot of, in a lot of ways. And I think that’s what one of the key things the president’s really latched onto here and, and is really trying to point out to people that, you know, there’s this, there’s a reason that, that, that it’s so much cheaper and there’s a reason that it’s flooding into our market. And he’s saying, look, It’s just got to be reciprocal. We’re just not going to stand by anymore and let these substandard products flood into our market. We’re going to put a price tag on them when they hit the ports and let American companies try to compete.
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Chris, the only thing that I don’t understand, and by the way, I’m totally in on Trump’s entire strategy. I love it, okay? But he wants China to eliminate our deficit, our trade deficit with them. How ultimately could that possibly be attained when China just has such, such, such cheaper labor?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that’s… I, you know, the president’s got a great team around him and I do think they have a plan and a strategy here and they’ve got a line of sight on a goal. But, you know, the other piece of that, which is so tough, is we are just such a big consuming nation.
SPEAKER 17 :
We just consume. That’s right.
SPEAKER 16 :
We’re the biggest thing, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
I talked about that earlier. We’re the biggest customer, Chris.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, we’re just the biggest customer. So we’re always, I think, and we’re just going to buy more and consume more Because we’ve built a great middle class. And I heard your conversation earlier, John and Andy, where you were talking about the standard of living and the wage differential, right? So we’re just going to be a consuming nation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yeah, and how can a country full of people making $4,000 to $10,000 a year even be the kind of buyers for our products to where we can sell equal amounts there as they sell here? I don’t understand it. Granted, I understand they are a much larger market because they have far more people.
SPEAKER 17 :
1.4 billion.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but I don’t know how that balances out.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I don’t know. It’s a good question. I don’t know if we’re ever going to get to, like, parity, where there’s just zero trade deficit.
SPEAKER 09 :
But we don’t need to, do we?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and I think, really quick, guys, I think just to both of you guys, I think the only way you can get close to being equal is you’ve got to get China to buy more of their, quote-unquote, energy, raw goods, things like that, from us versus other countries. That’s one way you could level the playing field. Everything from coal, natural gas, things like that, that they do not have, oil even,
SPEAKER 16 :
us right yeah and i think the i think the president’s starting with fairness right i mean i think he realizes the first step that’s a long journey but i think he realizes you got to take the first step and the first step is reciprocity you know we just have to treat each other we’re going to treat you like we like you treat us and we just have to start with that you know we have to you know when you’re subsidizing and completely building your own industry’s and you know providing subsidized labor and capital and you’re you’re stealing our ip we’ve got to eliminate that from the system like whether or not we’ll ever get to exact parity you know maybe but i think he’s you know he’s making the right first step and i think he realizes it’s long overdue um and so you know godspeed to the plan um yeah you know i think i think it hopefully will build more opportunities for great small businesses in America. He’s got a strong conviction about intellectual property. He did his first term. I think he still truly believes we have to protect it. It’s a constitutional right. It’s right there in Article I, Clause 8 of the Constitution. So I think he stays focused on those principles.
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Chris, how do folks find Alliance of U.S. Startups and Inventors for Jobs? We’re at usij.org. Okay. Easy to find, and welcome everyone there. I’ll put that in my notes. I appreciate it very much. Great. Thanks, John.
SPEAKER 05 :
Chris, thank you very much.
SPEAKER 17 :
Have a great evening. And really quick, Andy, just kind of dovetail back into it. Just really quick, looked up. I kind of knew this off the top of my head, but I want to double-check to make sure that I was accurate. They actually do import a lot of machinery and transportation equipment.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 17 :
Energy stuff I mentioned, that’s a big one that they have to import because they just don’t have it. Believe it or not, they still import raw materials such as iron ore, scrap, things along those lines, which I didn’t know they imported because I thought they were an exporter of a lot of that. And they actually, which this makes sense because they don’t have oil, they import a lot of organic chemicals and plastics, believe it or not.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that would make sense.
SPEAKER 17 :
Because they just don’t have the ability to make that on their own.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I mean, they’re Russia’s biggest customer.
SPEAKER 17 :
Which I think maybe that’s some of what Trump is looking at is instead of Russia being your biggest supplier, granted they’re closer, but hey, can we get a piece of this action?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, John Rush, together with Andy Page. John, quick question here before we go to Joe. Wouldn’t it be great? I’m talking utopia here for a second, okay? Right now, we grow so much corn for the most worthless product in the universe. It’s called ethanol. It is the dumbest thing in the world, okay? It is just awful. And we do that. What if Trump could line up agreements with these nations, not just, okay, you’re going to lower your tariffs, we’ll lower ours, but also we want you to buy more of our grain and we can get out of the ethanol business. Because you can’t just do that right away. No, you have to transition. But you’ve got to line up buyers. That’s correct.
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So we can actually sell food for food. What do you think? Great idea. I’m all for it. Get it done. I think that’s a great plan. Absolutely. Yeah, I’d be all for that. And by the way, I think most of those farmers would be as well, because they know exactly what you’re saying as well. They just do it because they’re getting paid. Right. Joe, you’re up.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, just before the top of the hour break, you said something, and if I’m paraphrasing you incorrectly, please correct me, but you were commenting on some of these protesters and how ridiculous they are. I think you said… You know, they whine, they chant, they yell, they scream. Some of them even cry. You know, they might call you names. I like the criers. I do. So, John, did I misquote you at all in terms of how you characterize them?
SPEAKER 17 :
No, that’s pretty much what they do.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they’re mean, too, Joe.
SPEAKER 17 :
And they’re mean. I didn’t say that part, but they’re also mean.
SPEAKER 06 :
They’re mean, too. Anyway, so what struck me is I just got done recording my weekly podcast, and my quote of the week was from Thomas Sowell. We all know Thomas Sowell, the economist.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep, yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
And his quote, he actually went a little deeper. And here’s his quote from Thomas Sowell. And he said, it’s about the U.S. educational system. He said, Yep. How true is that?
SPEAKER 17 :
And you see that when you watch some of these men on the streets or you watch some of these interviews where they’re going into some of these protest areas and asking questions. And, by the way, some of these are very raw. You’re actually watching straight-out raw footage. They walked up to somebody and started asking questions. And, Joe, these people, they have a conniption fit. They have no idea how to answer the question.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. There was one last week I did in my podcast. A guy went up to one of these pro-Palestinian podcasts, and he’s asking, they’re holding, well, from the river to the sea, and they said, What river, what sea, what does that mean? And they look at each other like, we don’t know. And then he says, well, that means from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, which is the boundaries of En-Rosa, it means the elimination of Israel. Oh, and then what is the charter of Hamas? And people look, well, no, the charter of Hamas right here, and he shows them Hamas charter, it means death to all Jews. Oh, we didn’t know that.
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, that’s how dumb they are.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that’s how dumb they are. But – and, John, I run into this every single day. Somebody will post something. It’s no secret. I spend about a half hour every morning cruising from one liberal Facebook page to another. And somebody will post some ridiculous statement about the rich don’t pay taxes. And I’ll post a factual correction. No, here’s the link to the IRS website. According to them, the top 1 percent pay more than the bottom 90 percent. And right away, rather than come back with a fact-based argument – They call me names. You’re an idiot. You’re a Trumpster. They cannot put together a coherent… They don’t come back with facts.
SPEAKER 17 :
They just call you names.
SPEAKER 06 :
Just a minute. They’re angry. They call names. They question my motives. You’re a Russian asset. They’re completely unable to put together a coherent, adult, fact-based rebuttal.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
Anyway, by the way, one of my favorite sayings attributable to Socrates, it says, when the debate is lost, Slander becomes the tool of the loser.
SPEAKER 17 :
And by the way, Joe, that can happen on both sides of the aisle. Andy and I have experienced that with some of the folks here locally in Colorado GOP politics. When they can’t win the battle, they start calling you a rhino. Or they start questioning your motives, you know, you’re only saying that because… You’re only doing that because you don’t like the party, or you’re only doing that because you’re not a Trump supporter, you’re only doing that because you’re a rhino, you name it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, as we were saying earlier, they use Democrat strategy, okay? So what do Democrats say when they’re losing, what do they call you, Joe?
SPEAKER 06 :
Racist. Okay, they call you… You’re a racist, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you’re a racist. Everybody’s a racist. You’re a racist because you disagree with me. You’re a racist. Here they say rhino. It’s both our words. Same deal at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. You support Nazis, you know, whatever. You’re a fascist, Nazi.
SPEAKER 09 :
Ooh, I forgot Nazi. Good one.
SPEAKER 06 :
The other thing I… Did you guys read about or talk about that shocking poll about how many people think assassinating Trump would be justified?
SPEAKER 09 :
Not yet. That’s incredible.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, it’s in my notes. I didn’t get to that part yet, no. Unbelievable. Can we talk about it now? Go ahead. Yeah, go for it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, the poll that came out yesterday, and it’s a very well-respected, this is not some fringe group, it’s a very well-respected polling outfit. They did a very well-structured, the methodology is impeccable. Now, if you said how many people would think assassinating Donald Trump or Elon Musk, they asked both. I would have come back, you know, there’s always, you’ve got these people.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, yeah, you’ve got the loony fringe that are out there, no matter what, 20% or so that are going to be that way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Luigi Mangione’s GoFundMe page and want to marry him. I would have said 3%, 6%. It was a blended average of 38%. And among liberals, it was 55%. think that assassinating Donald Trump would be justified, would be justifiable. That’s crazy. I almost fell out of my chair.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, the left has evolved into pure evil. This goes along with somebody sent me an article on the text line a moment ago, which I had kind of been watching, but I didn’t know it had gotten up to this much. The black young man that stabbed to death the other track meet, you know, white kid that was down in Texas. Metcalf, I think was his name. They started a GoFundMe page for the black kid, thinking that for some odd reason, I guess he needs to be acquitted or something. He didn’t do anything wrong. I guess there’s some people out there that feel that way. Joe, they’ve raised a quarter million dollars for that kid.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, my goodness.
SPEAKER 1 :
$250.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, in the article that accompanied this, they refer to it as the assassination culture. That, you know, the people who support Luigi Mangione… And they say it’s a good start. We need two dozen more Maggiones. And that 58 percent of liberals think it would be a good thing if – by the way, 55 percent thought it would be a good thing if Trump was assassinated, and 48 percent thought it would be a good thing if – or justifiable if Musk was associated. Now, these are the big democracy now, hands off our democracy. Assassination is the polar opposite of democracy. You can’t be an advocate for both democracy and assassination at the same time. It’s because they’re polar opposites of each other. So I’m just boggled. John, I know your voice is going in. Do you have any thoughts?
SPEAKER 09 :
Go ahead, Andy. Well, I actually had a question for you along these lines, and I was about to say it. Can I do that? By all means. Okay. Joe, I know I’ve often said why the left is so much more violent, naturally violent, than the right. I wanted to ask you, why do you think that is?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I think part of it comes down to, and we’ve had this, and I always get it mixed up, right brain, left brain. Yes. I think right brain is the logical… factual, you know, and the left brain is the emotional… No, it’s the other way. Other way, okay, which is the brain way. And the studies have shown that the vast majority of liberals are the, you know, on the emotional, you know, they deal, you know, they’re driven more by emotion than facts and logic.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, that’s why the artistic community is far more left-wing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Right. So I think that same brain, I don’t want to call it a dysfunction, but that same brain brain difference between conservatives and liberals also drives them to be you know when when you react emotionally i want to kill you i’m angry i hate you uh you know i can disagree with a little i don’t i’ve got some relatives who are flaming liberals i don’t hate them a couple of them hate me i don’t hate them um a couple of my if i get hit by a car or run over by a bus i think they’d celebrate I agree.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, let me throw mine out here. First of all, I agree with everything you just said. Secondly, I think it revolves around one word, and I’ve said this for years, control. If, you know, and really quick here, lest anyone forget, let’s say a conservative doesn’t want to smoke. What does the conservative do? He doesn’t smoke. If a liberal doesn’t want to smoke, what do they do, Joe? They want to pass a law preventing me from smoking. Right, they want to ban smoking. You see, what makes me a conservative? I want to control my own life, not yours, okay? That is the heart of conservatism, wanting control over your own life, self-determination, not over the lives of others. And here’s what I mean. When a liberal wakes up in the morning, they look around at the world, and they want to know how they can make others be the way that they want them to be. In other words, they want to control people. When you want to control people, you have already dehumanized them. All right? You’ve already devalued them. If you want to control someone already, you see them as less than human. Okay. And so what you’ve got is an entire political movement. Fascism at its finest. Fascism at rule. And that’s pithy. I like that. Fascism at its finest. You’re right. You’ve got a political movement right now here in America that looks at people and wants to control them. And if those people don’t want to be controlled in anger and bitterness, what do they want to do? If I can’t control you, I might as well kill you.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. I’m going to shut you up.
SPEAKER 09 :
What do you think, John? Yep.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. You’re right. Spot on, guys.
SPEAKER 06 :
And just look at the bills on Polis’ desk. We don’t like guns. We don’t want you to own one.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s right. You can’t own one.
SPEAKER 06 :
You can’t own one.
SPEAKER 17 :
We don’t like internal combustion engines, and we want to— We don’t like—Joe, as a parent, we don’t like the fact that you’re not going to affirm your child who wants to now turn from a boy to a girl, and the fact that you won’t affirm that for that particular child, you’re now the bad guy. Yeah, and we might take your child away from you. That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, we’ll criminalize you.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
We’ll criminalize you, yeah. You know, and it’s everything from guns to smoking to internal combustion engines. Yep. You know, the list goes on. I could probably sit here and make a list. I’d be still rewriting half an hour from now.
SPEAKER 09 :
Joe, when you have that mindset about people, when you’re willing to make them live like you, or maybe not even how you live, right? Because maybe you’re an environmentalist who jet sets off to Europe.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, it’s all about you, not me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. But the idea is this. If they will not live the way you want to make them live… You obviously, you look at them as peons. You look at them, to use Vance’s words, peasants. Right. These are peasants to you. How dare they? How dare they want to live their own lives in their own way and want to live, you know, drive cars that you don’t want them to drive, listen to music you don’t want them to listen to, have beliefs about the origin of the universe that you don’t want them, whatever. Right. But how dare they live their lives rather than live the life that you would have for them? And if you think of people in that way, if that’s your mindset, then they’re not people to you. No wonder you don’t mind killing them. That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, in fact, and if you don’t get your second and third COVID booster, you’re going to lose your job. We’re going to discharge you from the military.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s right. Another good one.
SPEAKER 06 :
You can’t teach in our schools anymore. These people are dangerous, Joe.
SPEAKER 17 :
Joe, you’re right. We could sit here literally for the rest of this show and rattle off the things that would fit into that in those categories.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And it’s all fashion. I mean, look at Mussolini. He wanted, you know, control over absolutely everything. And that’s where the Democrats from what type of lawnmower you use, what kind of car you drive.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
What kind of gun you can own, if you can own any at all. What kind of what kind of vaccinations, what kind of control over your child. it’s a long, long list.
SPEAKER 17 :
Where your kids go to school, where your kids go to college, what kind of job they have, on and on and on we go. Yep. So. Yep. You’re right, Joe. Spot on. That’s all I got, guys. Joe, appreciate you, man. Always appreciate it very much. Great stuff. Safeboxdeposits.com. Starting at $15 a month. Much, much, much better than a bank. 303-771-8000.
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SPEAKER 17 :
All right, really quick before we move on here, Andy, somebody also asked me what I thought about Representative Jeff Hurd signing on to Representative Don Bacon’s bill to limit President Trump’s tariff powers and return that authority back to Congress. And folks, again, this is one of those areas where I have had arguments even with family members over tariffs. Everybody has a different opinion on how they should work, what they should do, how they should be enacted and so on. I am not going to break fellowship with someone over tariffs, even though I think differently of it than he does. That’s my explanation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I agree. We have to keep in mind, Jeff Hurd just barely won his election by what, three or four points? Right. Okay, that’s a tough district, folks. He has to compete in that tough district. Donald Trump knows that. Right. Donald Trump knows that in tough districts, people have to be, you know, a little tough on Trump.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
to maintain their districts. It’s all part of the game.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s all part of it. And again, don’t worry about it. It’s also one of those issues.
SPEAKER 09 :
That way he can go to the voters and say, see, I just, I disagreed with Trump. Here’s where that’s right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. That’s something you wanted to add to our last conversation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, in fact, I guarantee you Trump likes that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Trump understands how this works.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, the tariff power is not going to be taken from Trump, and he knows that. But this is actually going to help Jeff Hurd going forward. Correct. Trump gets the game. He’s playing chess, folks. Correct. Okay, we were talking about how the left wants to control people’s lives, and they want to force things down people’s throats. You know, if we don’t like smoking, we don’t smoke. If they don’t like smoking, they ban smoking. You get how we go. Okay. Let’s get to, you know, what do I do on Fridays? I review movies. Right. And two movies that I’ve reviewed over the last few weeks have been Snow White and a Minecraft movie. Now, obviously about Snow White, I said, look, the movie’s not that bad, but they’re trying to do two movies at once. They’re trying to, you know, do the kid movie, but they’re also doing the agenda movie, the, you know, the girl power movie. And oh, by the way, at the end, The Prince doesn’t even get to rule with her. I didn’t say that in the review, but we’re three weeks in now. I can give you that spoiler because no one’s going to watch it.
SPEAKER 17 :
No one cares at this point.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. So what happened with Snow White? Now, as we know, they’re saying that with marketing, the total cost of Snow White is probably north of $420 million.
SPEAKER 17 :
Wow, Andy, that’s big.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Wow. Yeah. The expected losses of Snow White, and this includes international sales, is supposed to be in the region of $150 million in pure losses for Disney. Wow. Okay? That’s amazing. And people say, well, but it’s sold this much. Yeah, they don’t get the full ticket price, okay? A portion goes to the theaters. Right. Well, here’s what happened to Snow White. Not only… um the week one numbers were not good okay it’s one of the worst live action remake disney numbers ever put out okay but week two dropped down to only 34 percent of week one week three and i said week three’s gonna drop off even more why first of all it’s week three but secondly minecraft’s other movies come along finally got a kid flick yep 14 percent of week one Okay, they’ve dropped off a cliff. They’ve got a movie that’s drawing nobody now. Okay. Meanwhile, a Minecraft movie, which I even said, look, it’s not that good of a movie. I don’t care. I gave it a higher review than Snow White, a little bit higher, but I said it’s much better for kids. For kids, this is a four-star movie. Suck it up. Let them enjoy it and have fun. They’re going to have a ball, and it’s silly and stupid fun, you know, with all its quirks. This thing is going to sell a lot bigger. Minecraft just beat Super Mario for the biggest… Wow. Yeah, game launch ever for one of those kinds of movies. Wow. Wow. Which, by the way, Super Mario was a better movie.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I was just reading, too, to reiterate what you were saying. Yahoo Finance is projecting that they’re going to lose about $120 million on that film. Yeah. And that’s probably low. That’s probably low.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s probably higher. But maybe it’ll be only 120. I think it’s going to be worse. Bill, that’s a lot, Andy. Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
How many of those can you do?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t know how many more Disney can absorb. I don’t know how they’re doing it. I don’t know how they’re absorbing this many losses. It’s crushing them so badly. But the bottom line is this. They are preaching. They are the left. They’re shoving an agenda. And people are saying we don’t want the agenda. Yeah. We don’t want Snow White to bring girl power to not let the prince rule with her, okay? Because they’re going to get married, okay? That means king and queen, okay? We don’t want any of this, okay? And meanwhile, what do you have with a Minecraft movie? Zero agenda. And it’s led by Jack Black, who is a Trump hater extraordinaire. Yeah, but he shut up. He didn’t say anything off air, right? Nothing. No, he didn’t. Kept his mouth shut and just pushed the movie. True. And guess what? There is no agenda in that movie. At least you can go and not be insulted. People love it. I believe that after a couple weeks of Snow White, American families were begging for a kid flick they could take their kids to and not feel preached at, and they got it. And look what it did monetarily. It’s not even that good of a movie.
SPEAKER 17 :
You ask, how can they keep doing this? Because they’re still a $91 billion a year company. The parks alone generate $34 billion a year in revenue. In pure profit? Not in profit, in revenue.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, okay. I don’t know what the cost is.
SPEAKER 17 :
They had a $5 million profit last year, or $5 billion profit last year.
SPEAKER 09 :
From the parks?
SPEAKER 17 :
From everything.
SPEAKER 09 :
From everything. They came out $5 billion ahead. $5 billion ahead. That’s how they came to the end. Well, I know they have cut a lot of costs, but I didn’t… Wow, okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
That was 2024 numbers.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, good for them. I think they’re going to struggle.
SPEAKER 17 :
Snow White killed them. You still can’t keep having these type of losses over it. Because, A, Andy, not only is it the losses on paper, real losses, it’s the reputation loss as well, as you know.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because, and this is huge in the movie industry. I can tell people this because I used to manage movie theaters. Expectation is everything. It used to be any Disney movie that came out, we knew we were going to get absolutely clobbered because people had expectations. right of that high quality and in the old days these these movies none of them preached at you none little mermaid nothing beating the beast nothing aladdin nothing all of them nothing all it was was entertainment hercules nothing right now people the expectation has gone down and that hurts turnout and it’s hurting them i mean when they did light year and strange world in the same year my gosh it was devastating
SPEAKER 17 :
Really quick? Yeah. Which this should sell something to. I’m not telling anybody to boycott. Don’t go to the parks. You do you. This goes back to the conversation we had a moment ago about liberals. I’m not going to tell you what to do. You go do whatever you want to do.
SPEAKER 09 :
Live your life.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s the parks, Andy. I just looked this up. It’s the parks that keep them rolling. $34 billion in revenue with the operating income from the parks alone at $9 billion. So they lost money in a lot of other places the parks made up.
SPEAKER 09 :
I see.
SPEAKER 17 :
So it’s the parks that are making them their money.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, and that blows my mind because the parks are outrageously expensive.
SPEAKER 17 :
But people keep stinking going.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s surprising because you’ve got Six Flags. You’ve got other places with just as good a ride.
SPEAKER 17 :
2024, they had a 5% revenue increase in the parks.
SPEAKER 09 :
Incredible.
SPEAKER 17 :
So people are still going, Andy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now that’s from raising prices, of course, but still.
SPEAKER 17 :
Still. It means people are still rolling. I didn’t look up what the actual attendance is. If it works, it works. You can knock them all you want on some of this other stuff, but they stink and still roll people through the dang parks. It’s amazing.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s awful. By the way, can I warn people of something? Sure. Chronicles of Narnia, you know, that’s Christian. Greta Gerwig, of all people, is remaking it, and it rejects the Christian allegory and embraces gender politics.
SPEAKER 17 :
Why are they doing that?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t know. They’re wrecking because this is going to go right against the core market for putting that movie out. I don’t know how it’s going to make money.
SPEAKER 17 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, Chronicles of Narnia, they’re going to wreck it.
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SPEAKER 17 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And, yeah, Disney, and a lot of you have been texting in about some of the Disney and the parks and different things. And, again, I… What are they saying? Just different things about, you know, did I ever take my kids when they were younger to some of the, you know, Disney parks and so on. Yeah, I mean, keep in mind, that’s a long time ago. I mean, Richard’s 33, so think about that. I mean, it’s been a long time since I’ve been anything…
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s been weeks since you’ve taken Richard to Disney.
SPEAKER 17 :
Exactly. Yeah. And I will say even then it was expensive and it’s gotten a lot more expensive today to go. And again, Andy, I’m not going to be somebody that’s going to tell somebody to go and not go. You know, you do whatever it is you want to go do as far as all that goes. I highly doubt you’re going to stop anybody from going to Disney World, Epcot, Disneyland and so on.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I mean, look, it’s an event for the kids. That’s why you go. That’s why you go.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s an event.
SPEAKER 09 :
Like them or not. The kids are looking forward to it so much because they get to go on these rides. Right. I don’t know why you’d go to Disney. I mean, there are other great theme parks that you can go to that are not Disney. But whatever.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think because of the kid factor, Andy, and even my kids as they got older, they would rather go to Universal Studios and some of those places as opposed to Disney because there was more fun things to do, more rides, etc.
SPEAKER 09 :
More dinosaurs.
SPEAKER 17 :
To your point earlier.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, yeah. And again, for each of you, when you’ve got young kids and so on, that is completely up to you. And you, I will just say this, you are not going to make or break Disney by either going or not going. No. No. Sorry, you’re not going to put a dent in that number I gave you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I mean, Disney, look, they’ve been the evil empire for so long. Are they turning around to some degree? They have to. I can tell you as a movie critic, John, that the amount of content, objectionable content in their movies has dropped precipitously. I mean, even Snow White, they had dramatically rewritten because it was really offensive. In its original form, and they had to really undo a lot of that. They’re not that dumb. Yeah, they’re not that dumb. I mean, they’re left, but they’re not that dumb. Look, they hate you, folks. They absolutely hate you, okay? But they want your money.
SPEAKER 17 :
They do want that, Andy. Yeah. which a lot of those heavy left-leaning companies want. They, at the end of the day, still want your money.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, which I respect that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and what they need to think about.
SPEAKER 09 :
Free enterprise.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, what they need to think about, and this is where, going back to the whole tariff discussion, which we’re going to get a little bit more of this today, but we had other things that came up and calls and so on, which is fine. We’ve got a few minutes here left. We can kind of wrap things up and talk about tariffs for a moment. Sure. The amount of, and I’ve read all different things all over social media, different people posting and giving their opinions and so on, and it cracks me up. The amount of people that comment on tariffs that, frankly, have probably never either ran a business or written a payroll check or done anything along those lines, but all of a sudden they’re a tariff expert cracks me up. I have seen a few memes out there where it’s like, yeah, all the people that want their student loans forgiven are now experts on tariffs.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s good. I like that.
SPEAKER 17 :
That was pretty good, actually. Yeah. It’s like you really have to look at the big picture when it comes to tariffs because there’s a lot more moving pieces than just what you see on the surface.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Yeah, I think, look, the bottom line is this. We have a president who is about to get us far, far better deals than we have had in our lifetime. we are going to be able to compete and export far, far better than we have in our lifetime. Do people understand that? How can you not understand that?
SPEAKER 17 :
They don’t understand that when we export things, we make money as a country.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you do realize any improvement, any step up with each country,
SPEAKER 17 :
is better yeah instead of just being the largest consumer how about we become a large exporter as well right which we can do but you have to have the playing field level to be able to do that andy right we got to be selling more of our i think a lot of it is our grain we’re going to be selling more of that we got to be selling more of our exporting energy everything from
SPEAKER 09 :
hogs to oh yeah cows to on down the line i mean you talk about all the ag end of things and the things that we could do as a country on top of that the tech and so on i mean we can go down the list and we gotta fire up the uh fire uh fire up the fire that’s good fire up the uh car the automotive industry again we got to get it going come on man we can make cars we can make great cars
SPEAKER 17 :
I can argue that. Absolutely. I mean, I talked about this last week. One of the biggest mistakes we made, I think, not that some would argue with me on this because now you’re having government interfere with the sale of companies and so on, but letting, you know, Ram, Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, all of that go to a foreign entity. Right. Bad move. Dumb mistake. Shouldn’t have happened.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but John, it was inevitable. With the setting that we have created here in America, it was inevitable. I totally agree with you. Terrible move. You are correct. But we drove them into that move. Drove. Sorry for the pun. No, you’re right. Look, we have to start getting it to where we can sell our products overseas without punishment.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Correct. And that’s what Trump’s doing. I don’t know why anybody would be opposed to this. I know people are upset about the stock market. They should be. I get it. Look, I have portfolio. It has gotten killed over the last few days. Guess what? I know. Do you think I budged? Nope. I’m leaving it all in. I think it’s going to come back.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I think, Andy, and again, I get it. If you’re somebody that is of, well… Let me rephrase this. If you’re somebody that’s of retirement age and you’re still relying on what’s going on in the market, you didn’t plan ahead very well. And you should have put some of that money someplace else besides the market, because if that’s what you’re relying on, it’s far too risky. Now, when you’re even Andy is nice age where Andy, I’ve got another 10 years solid left before I go do anything along those lines whatsoever. Can I ride this out for 10 years? Absolutely. I can. So am I worried about what happened over the last few days at all? No, no, not at all. Not in the least. But so many, this is what’s so funny about that. So many people are and yet have no money in it. That’s the other thing that cracks me up about the whole stock market thing and all of that. The amount of actual real investors.
SPEAKER 09 :
They think it’s crashing their economy.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s not.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, it isn’t.
SPEAKER 17 :
They are two separate things.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Two separate things. I’ve explained that on this program many times, and those of you listening that understand how that works need to be explaining that to your friends and family as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think the only thing they’re actually going to understand when they actually see it is if those shirts that are made in China now cost a lot more.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, instead of $7.99, they’re going to cost $14.99. Right. Big deal. I mean, here’s a question for you. Are you better off buying a higher quality shirt made somewhere else besides China and wear it twice as long as opposed to buying the China shirt? These are some of the questions I think people need to ask when they start buying some of these items that are coming from China.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, John, I think people who are on a tight budget, though, it does hit them initially. But in the end, you’re not saving any money. I don’t think inflation is going to be what they’ve been projecting. So you have to understand, I’m not in the camp that thinks that we’re going into Armageddon.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. I don’t either.
SPEAKER 09 :
So I’m probably not the right one to talk to about it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I’m not either because I don’t think it’s going to be that bad either. And I am one that says maybe this will force people, Andy, to look at some of the cheap crap that frankly is not a good value at the end of the day. In fact, you probably are buying more of it than you are the actual higher quality stuff, meaning that your budget is actually hurt worse by buying the cheap crap than actually buying high quality stuff. Or better quality stuff, let’s say it that way. Not high quality, but better quality than that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, to a degree. I don’t know the tradeoff with each item and so forth. But I also know another huge thing that Trump is doing is unleashing energy. Today he announced coal.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I saw that.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, I’m a huge fan of coal. Okay, coal, natural gas, these things are so cheap. They’re so good. And he’s doing that. And by the way, that’s going to be incredible for Pennsylvania, West Virginia.
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Now, back to Rush to Reason. All right, that’s it for Andy, I, and Charlie. Tomorrow, we’ve got a special guest joining us because April is Stress Awareness Month, and we’ve got somebody that’s going to talk about in health and wellness how to reduce stress and keep your heart healthy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good idea.
SPEAKER 17 :
So we’ll do that tomorrow. Guys, have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
