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And we’ve got another great show planned for all of you. So fasten your seat belts. There’s so much going on in our world. And as you know, here on the Kim Munson Show, we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it’s not compassionate. It’s not altruistic to take other people’s stuff. And that could be their rights, their property, their freedom, their livelihoods, their opportunities, our children’s childhood. particularly here in Colorado, or lives via force. And force can obviously be a weapon, but it can be policy, it can be unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the agenda by the World Economic Forum that plays out with the globalist elites in the United Nations. This Colorado State Legislature, we’ve got two Two weeks and two days left in this legislative session. I know we all think that we will breathe a sigh of relief, which is true. However, what they have also done, and this is not just Colorado, but legislators then have pushed out and given power to boards and commissions and bureaucrats. And so we’ve got a lot of work to do to get government back in its proper role. And nothing happens down at this state legislature without this Colorado governor’s blessings. And so he’s part of all that. He’s no libertarian. We are in a tyrannical, almost communist Colorado, this beautiful state that I love. and a lot of that can be laid at his feet. Of course, these different mayors that we’ve had in Denver, and that’s why we do this show is because we are going to reclaim Colorado. But they do a variety of things. They use land use codes and zoning regulations and forced fees, conservation easements, national monument designations. The list goes on and on and on. And all of this is an assault upon property rights because foundational in the American idea is property rights. that everyday people could keep most of the fruits of their labor. And if that happens, what happens? Well, America happens. Big, broad, middle class people that have freedom to go after their hopes and dreams. So remember, if something is a good idea, my friends, it should be able to cut the mustard of standing up on its own two feet regarding the idea. If it’s a bad idea, they’re going to have to use force, coercion, Oh, I need to add incentives in there, Joe. That’s another thing. Okay, I’ll write that down. So on the show, though, we focus on the issues. And we’ll mention the people pushing the issues, not the personalities. And I want to have a conversation later on in the week. with Alan because we’ve had such a conversation about being Republican and this litmus test or this on what it means to be Republican. But I will tell you, if you are on the Colorado Union of Taxpayers as a member and you get our weekly email that goes out to legislators and and the governor each Monday. There are four very, very bad bills. One of them is messing with the elections of our federal officers, the other is county commissioners, and also changing the number of PCPs. And we need to keep an eye on that, but you would have gotten the information on that. And then there’s two others, and on one of them, it takes our TABOR refunds away from us and I hate to say this, but Barbara Kirkmeyer, Senate Republican leader, has her names on those things. And so we’ve got to figure out what to do exactly on that. So stay tuned. We will do that. Our word of the day is endemic. And it is spelled E-N-D-E-M-I-C. and hold on here got to get to it and i chose it because pam long had had that in her that word in her essay that we rolled out this weekend and check that essay out of my website it’s regarding rfk jr and his first um first i think 90 days is what it was so endemic it’s e-n-d-e-m-i-c and it could be prevalent in or limited to a particular locality region or people Number two, it could be native to or limited to a certain region. Or number three, common in or inherent to an enterprise or situation. And right now I would say tyranny is endemic down at the Colorado Statehouse. So your challenge is to use that word in a sentence today. Our quote of the day, I went to George Mason because we had talked about him yesterday, and he did not sign the Constitution. He was really a great thinker, but he was an American planter, politician, founding father, and delegate to the U.S. Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787. He was one of three delegates who refused to sign the Constitution. His writings, including substantial portions of the Fairfax Resolves of 1774, the Virginia Declaration of Rights of 1776, and his objections to the Constitution opposing ratification, he exercised a significant influence on American political thought and events. I think we need to do a whole show on him. And but this is what he said. He said to disarm the people was the best and most effectual way to enslave them. And backing up, I don’t think that it regarding the Constitution, I can’t. You know what? We’re going to get Ben Martin on because he can tell us we’ll do a whole show on George Mason. was that he believed in this whole American idea, but there were some things he was concerned about. But he understood all of these basic principles. So again, to disarm the people was the best and most effectual way to enslave them. Now, my ear to the ground, and thank you, Mary, is she shared something that there may be an even more onerous bill regarding firearms, our Second Amendment, coming down the pike here in the next couple of weeks down at the state legislature. And so we really need to keep an eye on it. And that is one of the first things that communists do. or socialists do is disarm the people. You saw it with Hitler, you saw it with Mao, you saw it with Stalin, all of them. And we see it happening right here in Colorado. And of course, we’ll talk with Alicia Garcia and Teddy Collins about this on when they are on their new sponsors of the show with the Second Syndicate. So stay tuned on all of that. It’s really amazing what’s happening here in Colorado. So next thing, today is Earth Day. And it is celebrated on April 22nd. And the goal is to promote environmental protection and awareness. And this is one of the, I think it was started back in the 70s. Hold on here. I’m looking at this from USA Today. And let’s see here. It says the 2025 theme is Our Power, Our Planet. Focuses on promoting renewable energy and clean energy by 2030. And it was first celebrated in 1970. It was founded by Senator Gaylord Nelson, Congressman Pete McCloskey and activist Dennis Hayes. And this is pushing this again. What we’ve learned is this is really an anti-human agenda is focusing on the planet, celebrating, worshipping the planet instead of worshipping the creator. They’ve gotten into a point where they want to worship the creation. Then that worship of the creation, they are you using that to be anti-human. And so that is happening today. And it’s interesting that it is a it’s considered a holiday now. And it says, this is from USA Today, it says, Earth Day brings people together with the common goal of protecting the planet from environmental threats, which that’s what they say, but quite frankly, underlying that is control of the human race. And so that is happening today. The other thing I wanted to encourage you to go over to the Colorado Union of Taxpayers website. So last night was our board meeting, and we are doing amazing things. All volunteers at the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. That website is coloradotaxpayer.org. And before I mention this, I want to say thank you to this amazing group of patriots who are watching legislation that’s happening down at the State House. I will get emails from people and say, well, are you making a difference? Well, out here in Colorado, we are in quite the battle. And we are going to reclaim this state. But one of the first things is to understand what’s going on. Now, I know people are very concerned, for example, 1312, which that’s one of the bills that we have on here, that you can take action on, which that is the bill that ultimately, apparently, if you do not affirm your child’s gender confusion, that the Child Protection Services could take your child from you. Also, if you’re out in public and you don’t affirm somebody’s gender dysphoria and confusion, That could be considered discriminatory. And one of the things about discrimination, being discriminatory, if you say something that somebody else doesn’t like, that’s called freedom of speech. And we would hope that people use good manners and are very thoughtful in their speech. However, people should have the right to be able to say what they want to. and it’s called Freedom of Speech. And I know that words hurt. Of course, there’s the old adage from when we were kids, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. Words do hurt, but people need to have the right to be able to say them. So right as of today, 707 bills have been proposed down at the statehouse. This legislative session is over on May 6th. So we’ve got a couple of weeks, but really would encourage you. I got behind on this as I think all of you know, I was traveling. I forgot my computer. and got behind on it. Yesterday, we got the email out to all of the legislators. And if you’re a member of CUT, you will get that as well. It’s only $25 to be a member to support us and to be informed. That’s the first step in reclaiming our state is we have to know what is going on. But we have selected four new bills that you can, basically, you just go to coloradotaxpayer.org and you click on CUT Engaged up at the top. And it’ll bring up the bills that we have selected that you can take action on. And then you just click on that bill. And then it brings up our position on it. For example, Colorado bill, Senate bill 25257, which modifies the general fund transfers to our state highway fund. And if you, I don’t know what they’re doing with our, well, I don’t. know what they’re doing with our highway money. They are diverting it. But oh my gosh, our roads in Colorado are terrible. So you just put in your name and you put in your email and you can then just go ahead and uh send that you to the sponsors of the piece of legislation you can also include your senator and your representative and we’ve got a little tool on there for you to figure out how to do that and so the four bills the four new bills and we’ll have four more probably by the end of the day is Senate Bill 25-257, modifying the general fund transfers to the state highway fund. You can make your voice heard super easy. This is only going to take you five minutes for all four of these. Number two, very interesting. CUT opposes House Bill 25-1215, redistribution of the lottery fund money. Remember the lottery fund money was supposed to be for education? Well, take a look at that one. Number three, this is one of those really bad ones. That’s the 1312 Legal Protections for Transgender Individuals. If you weren’t able to make it down to the big rally, you can make your voice heard right there. And then the fourth one that we chose was regarding this lawsuit on TABOR, Colorado’s Taxpayers’ Bill of Rights. And when there are those out there that say that humans are greedy, that capitalism is greedy, capitalism has no force involved in it. Now, cronyism does because business and government get in bed with each other and they use force for whatever they’re doing, taking your money. But capitalism is the free exchange of value for value. And so there are those that say, oh, my gosh, that capitalism is greedy. It’s not. It is the free exchange of value. But you talk about greedy, and that is PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties that don’t have enough of your money. And so those that are supporting this lawsuit to get rid of TABOR, our Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights, which is an amendment to the Constitution, that is greedy, my friends. So we have these discussions because we have great sponsors and all of you who support us. 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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. And it is Tuesday during the legislative session. Every Tuesday, we talk with Kevin Lundberg, former state senator and author of the Lundberg Report. Kevin Lundberg, welcome.
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Well, thank you. It’s great being with you. A little over two weeks left now in the session, so a lot’s popping.
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A lot is happening, and I really encourage people to check out the Lundberg Report. First thing, ear to the ground, we’ve got a couple of weeks. And as you know, I’m the president of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And I tell you, this group has done such amazing work. We have taken positions on 244 bills. which I tell you, it is so much work. It’s an amazing group. I want to, again, make sure that I give their names and say thank you. Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onizorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. This is truly an amazing group of people, Kevin Lundberg, all volunteers that they have spent their weekends working on rating these 244 bills. And so there’s a lot of bad stuff out there. I’m hearing that, and so we’d had a lull. We’d done just a few bills over the last few weeks. And these next two weeks, it could be kind of crazy. Do you hear of anything out there that we need to be concerned about? I heard that there might be another gun belt.
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Really? Well, I hadn’t heard that. But it wouldn’t surprise me because they’ve come out with about a dozen bad gun bills thus far. And if I was… You know, it’s just unbelievable what they’ve done there. But I would correct you on one thing, and that is you said it may be crazy. No, that’s not correct. It will be crazy. It is. It has been absurdly crazy this entire session. But every session gets crazy in the last couple of weeks for a lot of reasons. One is… Yeah, everybody, this is kind of their last shot at pushing their idea through. And so if they’re going to get anything out there, it might happen in the next few days. But in addition to that, there are, I don’t know what the count is, but my guess is that there are probably a couple hundred bills still out there that haven’t been completely pushed through the system. And now they start thinking in terms of days and hours and minutes on can we get this all done or not? And also, here’s another interesting game that’s played. There is a three-day rule for the last three days of the session. where some of the limitations that slow the process down are removed so they can move things through quickly. For example, currently, a 24-hour period is required, or that’s what it says, but what it really means is you have to go through one calendar day for any committee hearing, to be announced and then held. So they announce it on one day and they can hold it on the next day. Well, they eliminate that so the committees can be called immediately. And that gives the public zero notice that something’s going to happen. But in those final three days, they can do that. Well, here’s the dirty little secret. they can call these three final three days anytime they want. And sometimes they do. In other words, they’ll say they’ll pass a resolution that says these are the final three days, but constitutionally they don’t have to wrap it up until after 120 days. So they could open the flood gates. You might say on immediate committee hearings any day now. I, I, I hope they don’t, but they’ve played so many other games it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they did it tomorrow, even though there are two weeks left, a little more than two weeks at that point. So keep an eye on that. And then here’s another thing that at least I observed when we were in the majority in the Senate is about this time we’d take that list of all the bills that are still out there, And we would put it up on a big whiteboard, basically. We’d say, you know, we’ve got this many bills on this many subjects. And we’d start assigning these bills to various committees. And the committees would have the instructions of get this done and get it done quickly. and there would be kind of a daily triage as things got, you know, knocked off until you got down to the final. Now, I say that’s what we, meaning the Republicans, did in the Senate when we were in charge, and I was there for the final four years as a majority leader at first and then one of the Joint Budget Committee members, so I was in the leadership team at that point. I don’t think the Democrats always do it that way. Sometimes they end up battling with each other, which is just totally bizarre. But, you know, one leader hates another leader and they don’t talk to each other or something. But sometimes they end up with this terrible crush of bills at the very end, because we really had a measured, systematic way of dealing with a whole lot of things all at once. We’ll see if they can do that or not. And then one final factor. This is the off election year. Therefore, they can get away with the worst stuff this year. And next year, they’ll probably be a little more reserved, thinking we don’t want to rile the voters too much. You know, like they’re not going to run these gun bills next year. They’re running them this year. And a whole lot of other things. So that’s why it’s not correct to say it may be crazy. It’s correct to say it will be crazy, crazier than it has been.
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Well, just checking on our Bill Track 50 that we use for Colorado Union of Taxpayers, there is 230 bills scheduled for hearing this week. Now, it could be second readings or a variety of things. That is a crush of bills. As I was talking to one of our legislators, they said, we’re not representing the people. This is a bill mill down there. Mark, coming in on the text line, 720-605-0647. Mark is always saying, Kim, make sure that you let people know who the sponsors are of these bills. So we had selected four new bills for Cut Engaged, which is super, super easy, that you can make your voices heard. And when you go to Cut Engaged, we have all of the primary sponsors listed. of those bills are noted there. So, for example, this Senate Bill 25-257, modifying the general fund transfers for the state highway fund, has two Republicans and two Democrats on it. We are a no recommendation on this particular bill, but we have the sponsors there, and so you’ll see who they are, but I’ll just mention those on this particular bill, Jeff Bridges, Barbara Kirkmeyer, Shannon Bird, and Rick Taggart. So all that information is there. Now, let me point something out.
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Yeah, let me point something out for that bill in particular. That’s coming from the Joint Budget Committee, and they only sponsor bills where all six of the members will agree to it, and then generally they will have several sponsors. I’m not giving them a pass on that one because I agree that’s not a good bill. It’s cutting the last place they should cut because they have cut it every year I was down there. They… could not support transportation. Instead, they’d spend it on everything else. And at the end of the day, we’d have lousy roads. I think that’s the first responsibility of state government is to defend those elements of the infrastructure that the state is in charge of. And roads is one of them. But understand that unfortunately, that’s one subject that they agreed to do, both Republicans and Democrats, is, okay, we’ve got a cut, so where do we cut? Well, just about first place. They look on the Democrat side is transportation. When I was on the Joint Budget Committee, our main goal was to preserve transportation dollars, if at all possible, and we managed to add a few hundred million dollars in on a short term, but Traditionally, for the last half century that I’ve been available, you know, been watching the process, the only time transportation got a priority was when Bill Owens was governor, the only, by the way, Republican governor we had at that time period.
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Okay, I have so much more to talk with you about, but let’s go to break. I’m talking with former State Senator Kevin Lundberg. He has such a wealth of information. And check out his website. He does a weekly report, the Lundberg Report. It comes out on Saturdays, and it is so informative, so well done. I’d highly recommend that you check that out. And we get to have all these conversations because of our sponsors. And yesterday, Karen Levine and Lauren Levy were featured guests. And Karen Levine is really the person you want on your side of the table if you are buying a home or selling a home or looking at a new build.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out ColoradoTaxpayer.org. That’s the website for the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. We’ve got four bills that we just added in that you can let the sponsors and your particular legislator know that on these cases, oppose them. And that is Senate Bill 25257. the general fund transfers to regarding the state highway fund next one kevin lundberg i think you’re going to love this one as well that is house bill 1215 the redistribution of the lottery fund remember how um that was uh it was sold to us one way and uh again uh it looks like they’re looking under every sofa cushion down there to take money from the the um people of colorado kevin
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Oh, yeah. That’s the way they do that. And, you know, something that occurs all the time, and I was actually on a call yesterday where one person who was watching this said, you know, they avoided a lot of the – we were hearing dire predictions of deep costs because they were, you know, $1.2 billion short in their budget. Well, what they’ve done – is they’ve borrowed funds from – or borrowed money from funds that they have control over that were intended for different purposes. And this is going to come home to roost next year and the year following because these funds have a limited amount. And I remember the first year I was down there in 2003 – We had a deep recession. Well, not a deep recession. We had a recession. Okay. And so the revenue was shrinking and the budget was continuing to grow or wanted to. And so we had to find a way to cure that. And the Republicans were in charge. We had a Republican governor and a Republican Senate and House. But It drove me crazy because they just went and borrowed funds from everywhere to try to balance the budget rather than sit down and say, okay, we’re short of revenue. And like a business, you would say, where do we cut back? Where do we trim back? Where do we find the efficiency within our system? And instead, they just borrow money from wherever they can find. The most egregious one I could think of, which is kind of a minor one in a sense, was the brand board. The brand board maintains the branding of cattle system here in the state and requires some funds. And there’s a fee that’s charged for the cattlemen that utilize the brand board services. And that money is used to run the brand board. Well, we stole from the brand board. We took the money away. Or the other one, which was huge, was the unemployment fund. So we took money from the unemployment fund. But the law said that the unemployment fund is run by fees charged to employers. And there was an automatic switch in there that if the employment fund dropped to a certain level, then the fees to the employers went up automatically. And so we levied a tax on employers directly. And that was the Republicans back in 2003. So, yeah, doesn’t surprise me at all that they’re playing the same games and doing it with gusto because they like to spend a lot of money, your money.
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Well, and they’re getting help from Republicans on that this year. As you mentioned, the Joint Budget Committee, they put their name on it. And the two Republican representatives to the Joint Budget Committee are Representative Rick Taggart and Senator Barbara Kirkmeyer. That is a place where I wish that they would say no. And it’s not just these two bills. As I was reviewing bills this week, there’s enterprise zones, I guess, or what do you call them, enterprise zones? I think, is that right? Where if something is being funded in an enterprise, that takes that money out of the calculation for the TABOR refund back to you. So they’ve been playing these games for quite some time.
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Yeah. And actually, to explain the enterprise, that’s an entity that does not – a government entity that does not receive 10% or more of its funding through taxes. So it’s essentially run by fees. And because of that, yeah, they’ll offload some activity that the state does – and call that an enterprise. And it’s, it’s an in round around Tabor. Um, and the reason Tabor doesn’t control fees is they’re supposed to be, um, dollars charged for services rendered directly for some service, you know, like the brand board, like I explained, um, uh, but, but they, they use this as a game, uh, as a very terrible game. And, and actually, uh, they, um, you know, I mean, they play other games with, with, um, Tabor, too, to run around a lot of it. Tabor does still constrain some of government, but not a lot because they do those things.
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So let me ask you about something. We haven’t talked about this a little going back in history because you have such great institutional knowledge. And speaking of enterprise zones or enterprise companies, Is that what they’re called, enterprise zones?
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Well, okay. Okay. I didn’t get into the weeds on that one quite because an enterprise zone can be a geographical area where an enterprise has an interest in. At least that’s one way of interpreting that. But an enterprise itself, as I say, is simply a state government-run agency. That’s not the right word either because that’s a technical one within the state law. But it’s an entity within state government that’s theoretically run by fees and therefore doesn’t have to be limited by the revenues and spending limitations of what Tabor puts in place. Here’s a terrible example of it. I mean terrible meaning I think it’s a horrible idea that they kicked in. That is they have the road and bridge fee. which is simply a tax for highway construction, but it’s called a fee, and you pay it when you register your vehicles because they simply wanted more money and they didn’t want to be constrained by what Taylor says.
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And the other thing about fees, and I think you alluded to this, is now with Tabor, if PBIs are going to increase our taxes, they just have to ask us. It has to go to a vote of the people. We say, okay, you want this for this? Okay, yes, no. But with fees, PBIs can go ahead and raise those really in darkness. We don’t know when they’re going to do that, and that’s another very – sinister thing about, uh, this enterprise trying to get around Tabor and the fact that they can raise those fees, uh, without our permission.
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Yeah. And, and, and, you know, if you look at the, the, the bottom line numbers on how big the general fund is, which is, uh, those agencies that are, uh, controlled by Tabor essentially, and then the cash funds and, uh, the, uh, the federal funds, um, It has been growing so fast. I mean, I was used to the bottom line on the long bill saying, you know, $18 billion, $20 billion, something like that. Whoa, and now it’s $44 billion, and I’ve only been out for six years. Now, I’d like to ask, how many people make more than double what they did six years ago?
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Well, the state government does. Not very many. Not very many. So, OK, so next question, again, going back in history, because I made a note last week after we talked that I need to understand Ref C, Referendum C, which that was a timeout on Tabor. And that was, again, Republicans working with Democrats on this. I think Bill Owens was governor at that time. And it kind of reset things, and I thought, I really need to sit down and read this and understand what it’s all about. So what’s the best way for me and for listeners to do that, to find that and do that?
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Oh, boy. I used to have that up on my website, but with website changes, because I really did put together, I think, the most comprehensive list of things, because it’s a little hard to dig into it. The best I can say is go on a search engine and put Ref C, Referendum C, Colorado, and you’ll probably find some things. But it was, you know, 20 plus years ago, somewhere in there, somewhere in there. And Ref C, you see, one of the major components of TABOR is to set the spending cap for the general fund. And that can only go up by a formula of population growth plus inflation growth, which is a reasonable standard for state governments to hold the line. But they didn’t like that. So they said, well, we’re going to take a timeout and we are going to let it float upwards for five years. And then we will take the highest number within those five years as the new And then we’ll grow from there. So they added billions of dollars. And it was it was really totally illegal. I mean, they said, well, we asked the people if we could do it. But but they didn’t do it really within the specific constraints of Tabor. And you’re right. There were a few Republicans, not too many Republicans. Not very many, but it did include our governor. And I gave him kudos a moment ago for looking after transportation needs. And there was actually a referendum D that he was promoting at the same time, which was a request to go for bonding authority to build more roads. And the people said yes, if I recall. And, you know, so he did it the right way there. But Ref C really was a legal game. You know, they were playing legal gymnastics with the law that could they do it or not do it. And, you know, here we are 20-some years later, and they’re trying the same tune. Oh, you know, Tabor still constrains our spending more than we want. One other factor here is there was really only – as I say, a handful of Republicans who backed this. And unfortunately, in the Senate, it was my state senator, and I was in the House, and I became kind of a leading opponent. And my Republican senator from essentially the same areas in Larimer County was the leading advocate and the sponsor in the Senate for that referendum. And it turned into kind of an ugly political fight where Republicans – when we had debates on it, for example, they’d ask me to come and debate the opposition. And my Senate counterpart, Senator Johnson – He would be the proponent. And these, the Democrats, just sat back and smiled because they were all supporting this. And they just called it, you know, kind of an inter-party battle among the Republicans. And surprise, surprise, out of that mix, it passed and it became a part of Colorado’s laws.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, Kevin, I just love the fact that you have all of this information. And we’re not going to get, I don’t think, to a lot of the Lundberg reports. I’d recommend that people check that out in these next two weeks because one of our listeners had this great question. And it’s Mark. He said, now, please. give the bill sponsors. And I’m trying to remember to do that when I mentioned a bill. But he’s got this excellent question, and that is, who are the actual authors of these bills? And so I’ll leave that as our cliffhanger. When we come back, we’ll have that discussion with Kevin Lundberg. But did want to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation is having their Second annual golf tournament. It is May 15th, which I can’t believe it is right around the corner. And it’s out at the Ridge Golf Course in Castle Pines. So great day. If you’re a golfer, great round of golf. Meet some great people. Support the USMC Memorial Foundation. What more could you want? More information, usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And if you have been injured, there are some things that you should do pretty darn quick. And one of those is called John Bozen at Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t. have to force people to do it the idea should be able to stand on its own two feet in the battle of ideas and that’s why we do this show is so that you can get your brain around these issues and i know so many of you say what are some trusted trusted sources we have so much going on out there so i wanted to mention drew dix’s new podcast uh drew dix is a medal of honor recipient one of the co-founders of the center for american values located in pueblo And that website is AmericanValueCenter.org. And they’re doing such great work there. But you can find Drew’s new podcast there. So check that out. He was actually stationed in Greenland for several years. And he has a super interesting take on this whole conversation on Greenland. So be sure and check that out. That’s at AmericanValueCenter.org. But I wanted to mention another trusted source, and that is the Lundberg Report. Former State Senator Kevin Lundberg, his website is KevinLundberg.com. He writes that every Saturday during the legislative session. And actually, Kevin, do you write this each week, all 52 weeks? I always am over during the legislative session, but is it weekly?
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ve been doing that for quite a few years now. Yeah, yeah, every week. So it’s kind of a… you know, a family tradition. And, and, uh, actually I, I make sure that it’s published by Saturday morning. So I’m usually writing it late Friday, especially during session time, because I’ve got to see the, you know, what happened to those bills. And, and so I can’t really do my, much of my research until, uh, until the, well, everything is loaded up on, on the state’s website. Um, But yeah, it’s out there 52 weeks out of the year so far.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it really is important.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it’s a huge task, I’ll tell you. But my commendation to cut, because you mentioned all the people who do go through the bills and you said they rated over 200 bills. And that’s because some of the bills are like common sense, simple things that really don’t have any fiscal impact. But But, you know, and that’s because we’ve got over 600 bills that have been introduced. Now, if you add the resolutions, it’s well over 700. But the actual bill count is 635 as of. Three o’clock this morning. Wow.
SPEAKER 03 :
So that brings up the next question. And that is, and Eric, one of our listeners, continues to indicate that the ACLU is very involved as being authors in many of these bills. And so that’s the question on the table is who authors these bills? Because these legislators are not talking to constituents and finding out that something from constituents and representing the people. And there’s all these different bills. They’re not writing them. And they’re not even many times coming up with the ideas. What I think is interested parties are shopping these ideas with these legislators. So, you know, how does this work?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you describe how it should work ideally, which is you represent the people that sent you, that voted for you. And in talking with them and, you know, other interactions, you come up with these ideas that really represent your district and in some way the state as a whole. And I was one of those foolish legislators who really thought that that’s the way it ought to work. And so I brought my ideas to the table that way. Now, when you bring an idea, what that means is you go to legislative legal services and they have a whole stable of attorneys who specialize in various areas of state government. and you say, I’d like to do something concerning education. So they’ll assign you one of their attorneys that works on that, who will craft the actual language for the bill, or they’ll take what your ideas are, and it could be a complete bill that you wrote, and they’ll simply say, well, it’s going to fit here in the statutes, and oh, don’t forget this is the way we phrase things and the like. So theoretically, that’s the way it works. And you do need those those legal eagles down in Ledger Legal to make sure that what comes out as the law is consistent and isn’t a hodgepodge of different terminology and different ways of approaching things. So that makes sense. But very often, and I’m afraid to say most often, Bills simply originate because somebody got to a legislator and said, run my bill. And I think there’s an appropriate place for that. I mean, I’m an active part of the American Legislative Exchange Council, which has been in business for over 50 years. Actually, it was initially established by some state legislators here in Colorado, but it’s a nationwide thing. And they come up with model legislation that goes through a very careful vetting process where they spend about a year figuring out, does everybody agree that this is a good idea here, whatever it is. And I believe that their legislation, their boilerplate bills are – are good ideas, and I encourage legislators to look at what they have on a wide range of topics. And there are other organizations that do the same, but you’re quite right. There are some organizations that have really learned how to game the system that way, and it’s rather frustrating when they come up because you can always tell who’s behind it by who shows up at the committee hearings. you know, Planned Parenthood, if there’s a sex education bill, Planned Parenthood is there on the front row talking about what a great idea. Why? Because they are the largest supplier of sex education curriculum to our schools nationwide. You know, it’s a, it’s, it’s usually kind of boils down to who’s, you know, follow the money. And, and that’s, that’s what happens there. Um, And then another big source is the state government itself. And appropriately, they’ll say, well, the law is not working in this area, so let’s change something. But more often than not, they’re just kind of cooking up their own ideas. And believe me, if they get behind it, it’s almost a done deal that it’s going to go through, and it’s going to go through the way they want it to go through. Right. You know, it’s going on and on, but our time is almost up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, we are. Yeah, this has been so informative, Kevin, and we will have a conversation next week. We’ve got basically two weeks left in this legislative session. But I think that this is great institutional knowledge for our listeners. So we’ve got a minute left. How would you like to wrap this up, Kevin Lumberg?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, first off, you’ve made reference to my great institutional knowledge over many years. That’s a very kind way of saying, Lundberg, you’re pretty old, aren’t you?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, it isn’t.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hopefully the hoary-headed statesman of some sort can share some of this knowledge. And oftentimes what – something that happens all the time down there is – is something that already happened. So it’s true. History repeats itself, and you’ll get in the same mess if you didn’t know how you goofed up the last time. So it is a good idea to keep an eye on what’s happening and to remember how the process works and to be actively engaged. And I certainly thank you and your listeners for being the backbone of conservative values here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and conservative values means conserving this idea of America, that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Kevin, have a great week. We’ll talk next week. Okay, and our quote for the end of the show is from George Mason. He said, the laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth. And my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And stay tuned for our number two.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body, my friends. We were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That’s producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. and it is tuesday check out the website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com while you’re there sign up for our weekly email newsletter that way you’ll get first look at our upcoming guests for the week as well as our most recent essays that goes out on sundays you can email me at kim kimmunson.com i’m behind on emails i’m working on that i’m working on changing that text lines a little behind on that but i’m getting caught up uh that text line is 720-605-0647 Thank you to all of you who support us. And the show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon, second hour 10 to 11 at night. And that’s on all KLZ 560 platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, the KLZ app. And if you say, Alexa, play KLZ, we come in loud and clear. On the show, we look at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Remember, if something’s a good idea, it should stand on its own two legs in the battle of ideas. You shouldn’t have to use force to implement it. And that is such an important litmus test as we look at all of this legislation, which go to coloradotaxpayer.org, which is the website of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. Amazing group of people. We had our board meeting last night and I sitting around the table. I’m just amazed at the wealth of knowledge of these people. And that group is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And when you see these folks out there, say thank you for the dedication that they have. But to the people of Colorado, but coloradotaxpayer.org, we’ve selected four new bills that it’ll take you five minutes max to get your voice heard to the bill sponsors as well as your legislators. Super easy. We invested money in this to make this happen. Zach did it. And what an amazing job that he did. But the four that we added on that you can have your voice heard. is Senate Bill 257, modify the general fund transfers to the state highway fund. 1215, the redistribution of the lottery fund. 1312, that’s that really bad one regarding the transgender extremists that basically if you do not affirm your child’s gender confusion, that child protection services could take your child from you. It’s crazy right here in Colorado. So make your voices heard on that. I’ve heard that maybe this one might be in trouble because so many people are making their voices heard on this. So be sure and do that today. And then the last one is regarding Tabor, that lawsuit to basically get rid of Tabor. And Tabor is Colorado’s taxpayers’ bill of rights. So when I get done with the show, I’m going to make my voices heard on all of those things. So our word of the day is endemic. It’s spelled E-N-D-E-M-I-C-K. And your challenge is to use that in a sentence today. So first definition, prevalent in or limited to a particular locality, region, or people. Number two, native to or limited to a certain region. Number three, common in or inherent to an enterprise or situation. And let’s see. I would say that tyranny is endemic right now with the Democrats down at the statehouse. And we’ve got some Republicans that are helping them on some of these things. So we’ve got to shed light on that. And then. Hi, I’d like to in the last segment at the top of the hour, Bill Federer was talking about this day in history, the Oklahoma land rush. And I want to talk with producer Joe about that in the last segment. So I’m going to make a note on that so I don’t forget that. because we’ve got John Bozen on the line. John Bozen with Bozen Law is on the line. That’s easy for me to say. And if you’ve been injured, you certainly would give them a call. So John Bozen on the line. Welcome.
SPEAKER 12 :
Good morning, Kim. I wasn’t sure where you were going with that or if you’re jumping in or not, but…
SPEAKER 03 :
I wasn’t either. And so if I couldn’t figure it out, it’d probably be difficult for you to figure it out. But John, I wanted to talk with you just a little bit. We always say that people should give you a call if they have been involved, if they’ve been injured. But why would people really need a lawyer if they’ve been injured?
SPEAKER 12 :
Do we have an hour and a half, Kim?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, but let’s try.
SPEAKER 12 :
We’ll knock it out in a couple minutes here. Most accidents that people are involved in are due to someone else’s negligence. Someone did something, didn’t do something. But the party that we deal with on behalf of the injured victim is, by and large, almost always an insurance company. because the person who caused the harm has insurance to cover themselves. So we’re dealing with insurance companies and big corporations typically. On the other side, doing everything we can, fighting to make our clients whole to get back some, as much as we can, of what they’ve lost. And big insurance companies, big corporations, pharmaceuticals, they don’t like giving up that money to take care of folks. They’re in it for the profits. And insurance companies will do sometimes, I’ve seen it many times, cross on that line whatever they can to reduce or eliminate their exposure. In other words, they don’t want to pay anything. And they’re not going to fight. They’re not going to do anything that is typically in the best interest of my clients, the injured victim. So folks got to have an experienced, competent client. strategically aggressive attorney on their side, or they’re going to get mopped up by the insurance companies and big corporations because they know how this is played, this game, very serious game. Without that, folks don’t know what they don’t know. And, again, it’s the insurance company and it’s big corporations, big pharma. It’s their job to save their money, to preserve it for their shareholders. So we balance the scales. Good, competent, strategically aggressive attorney is going to tip that scale in favor of the injured victim. So that’s the number one biggest reason. Many others. I mean, lawyers at my firm, we’re going to do everything we can to make sure that our client is getting appropriate and necessary medical care. And I tell folks this on the front end all the time. The money’s going to help you, but your health is more important than anything. And so if you’re not treating with the right doctors, doctors familiar with the type of injury that you have, and you don’t have a good recovery, that money’s not going to mean a whole lot to you. Our health is more important than anything. And I can go on and on and on, but, you know, cases, you know, there’s liability. We have to prove that the other side did something or didn’t do something that caused the harm. And then we’ve got damages that we need to prove for our clients. What have they lost? The medical bills they’ve incurred, the money that they may not have been able to make because they couldn’t work. And then you throw on pain and suffering, loss of enjoyment of life. And you’ve got to prove those things to get your client compensated. You’ve got to prove it with the insurance carrier. And if they don’t get it, then you’ve got to prove it before a jury.
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And that’s why I think that it’s just so important that people contact you at Bozen Law because you’ve got an amazing team and you’re not one of those law firms that are just in it to try to settle and then get a portion of that settlement. You at Bozen Law really care about your clients. And I think and I I love that, what you just said. Now I’ve lost it already, but it was something about balancing the scales at Bowes & Law. I love the fact that you do that, that you represent the people. And so if people have been injured, what’s the best number for people to reach you?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, time is always of the essence. I don’t want people to wait. And if your listeners out there know someone that’s been involved in an accident, family, friend, neighbor, coworker, hopefully not themselves, but the best thing to do is call right away. Early advice is huge, and that number to call is 303-999-9999.
SPEAKER 03 :
Again, that number for Bozen Law is 303-999-9999. And that call, that’s complimentary. And you’ll take information and then determine if it looks like something that you could work together on. And, again, that number is 303-999-9999. John Bozen, thank you for these weekly updates. We’ll talk to you next week.
SPEAKER 12 :
Thank you, Kim. I look forward to it. Have a great rest of your show.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure to check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And I wanted to say thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. They’ve been sponsors of the show. I’m starting my seventh year solo broadcasting. They’ve been with me since almost the beginning. And so really do appreciate them. I am thrilled to have a new guest on the line with me. And that is Ryan Morgan. And he is a reporter with the Epoch Times, which I think is one of the most informative publications out there at this time. I am a subscriber to the Epoch Times. And he focuses on military and foreign things. And so I wanted to talk with him about a piece that he recently published regarding Iran. So Ryan Morgan, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, thanks for having me, Kim. It’s great to be here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it’s good to have you. And this is a really interesting piece that was published at the Epoch Times. Let’s see, I think it was, was it the 19th? And you said the U.S. Special Presidential Envoy, Steve Wyckoff, arrived in Rome on the 19th for a second round of talks with the Iranian foreign minister regarding this whole nuclear thing with Iran. So what should people know about this, Ryan Morgan?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you know, it’s been interesting the last couple weeks to watch kind of how this has played out. So obviously, I want to say kind of mid to late March, President Donald Trump sort of came out and very unambiguously started saying, you know, Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. He not so subtly says, hey, if they don’t come to the table and make a deal, there could be some bombing involved. There will be very heavy bombing. I think the implications of that are pretty clear. Then in the next couple of weeks, we start to see the Iranians come to the table. They’re a little bit more agreeable to talking with Trump or to the Trump administration. And what we’ve seen is that things appear to be moving kind of on a week-by-week basis. So that first meeting was in Oman, kind of on a little more Iran-friendly turf. But Steve Witkoff goes and meets on April 12th. The very next week, seven days later, there they are in Rome. And out of this second meeting, they have planned a third for exactly a week later back in Oman. So they’re moving along these talks at a relatively rapid clip when you’re comparing them to, say, what’s going on with the discussions regarding Ukraine, for example. And so… I would just say that the Iranians at least are paying lip service to the idea that they are willing to make some kind of deal, and they’re calling it trust-building measures with the United States with regard to limiting their nuclear program to not include nuclear weapons. So it seems very clear that there is – some discussion to avoid having nuclear weapons. The question now is what happens with everything else in Iran’s nuclear program? And I can go on or I can kind of let you get back in here if you want. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I think that’s an important question. But regarding the special envoy, Steve Wyckoff, what’s his creds? Tell us a little bit about him.
SPEAKER 04 :
He has kind of an interesting background because he is, if I’m not mistaken, he’s primarily a real estate guy, much like Trump himself. But there is something to be said about the validity of having a businessman as a peacemaker, as a negotiator. Business background, you’re dealing with negotiations of one type or another. So he doesn’t necessarily have a really deep foreign policy background that’s obvious, but he knows how to make deals, and he knows how to kind of understand what the other side’s terms are and find the middle ground.
SPEAKER 03 :
Interesting. Well, let’s set this up, though. In the Biden administration, so Obama, Biden, Iran got cash. It set us up, I think, to get us to a very dangerous position that we’re at right now, Ryan Morgan.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. So you’re talking about the I can’t remember exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Weren’t there the plane loads of cash in the Obama administration that was given to Iran and then Biden walked back what Trump had done and Trump won? And so it seems like the Democrats have been very supportive of Iran, which has put us in a very dangerous position in the world.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, to clarify the… Those pallets of cash – so I guess the 2015 Iran nuclear deal included sanctions relief for Iran and obviously the Obama administration. you know, negotiated the U.S. entry into that deal. Part of that deal was to, like I said, unfreeze some of the sanctions and release back to Iran some frozen assets. So that, I mean, that is where that money’s coming from. That’s, I guess, been the point of sending that money back to Iran. Yeah, Trump kind of said from the get-go in his first administration that, you know, he thought the Iran deal was a It was a horrible deal, and he certainly – I think it was 2018 he pulled the U.S. back out of the deal, and with that came the reapplication of sanctions against Iran. That money was frozen up again. There was an effort – During Biden’s administration these last four years where he tried to kind of warm things back up with Iran, get us back into the 2015 nuclear deal, but that never really went anywhere, though there was some kind of moderate sanctions relief up until summer of 2023 and then obviously in October of 2023. There was the Hamas attack across Israel, and everyone’s kind of figuring out what was the Iranian connection to that attack, and, okay, we need to lock it back down again and be much more aggressive and watchful of what Iran is doing in the region with its destabilizing activities.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, Ryan Morgan, it’s great that they are at the table, but I don’t think the Iranians can be trusted regarding their nuclear capabilities. Of course, I’m a radio host in the West, in Colorado, so what do I know about that? What do you think?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you know, first off, I would say trust is a two-way street, and I The last sit-down that – or I guess the first sit-down that Steve Witkoff had with his Iranian counterpart, Abbas Aragshi – I don’t know if I’m saying his name right. But their first sit-down was, I believe, the first real face-to-face interaction between a U.S. representative and an Iranian representative officially – since the Obama administration. So there’s a lot of atrophy in our ability to have conversations with the Iranians. And it’s like you said, there’s a lot of trust to… There’s a trust issue to overcome where we know that the Iranians have involvement in destabilizing activities around the region. So we… We have to spend some time figuring out how we can come to trust each other. There is an alleged Iranian plot to have Trump assassinated and take it for what it’s worth. Trump is willing to now try and meet them at the negotiating table. So Trump is certainly able to kind of put things in the past and try and turn over a new leaf. Now it’s just kind of a question of whether or not there’s anything the Iranians can give to convince Trump. That’s going to be the real tough question. The Iranians say that their nuclear program is peaceful in nature. And last month, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard said, we currently assess that the Iranians are not pursuing a nuclear weapon. However, they do have highly enriched uranium. I believe it’s about 600 pounds of 60% enriched uranium, which you need 90% enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon. So they’re well on their way to get there. And one of these sticking points of the talks has been, okay, everyone’s saying there’s not going to be an Iranian nuclear weapon, but what do we make of all of this highly enriched uranium, which the Iranians don’t necessarily seem willing to want to give up and give back up? So that’s kind of where the breakdown in trust is, and that’s what we’re going to have to keep watching for. In the next couple weeks, I’ll be interested to see what comes of this third round of talks here coming up this Saturday to see if there’s any movement on that. That’s where I would keep my eye focused.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, Ryan Morgan, it seems like I remember headlines when there were supposed to be inspectors regarding these nuclear facilities in Iran. And that they weren’t really honest about letting the inspectors come in. And again, that was a number of years ago. What’s your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you know, the… The International Atomic Energy Association, the UN’s nuclear watchdog, has been able to get into some nuclear facilities. I think the question is, are they able to see the full picture? We do know with the picture that they are seeing that the Iranians are stockpiling highly enriched uranium. So if we consider what we can see through the IAEA, we have to ask ourselves then, what are the Iranians hiding that the IAEA can’t see? So that is a tricky question. A valuable component of these discussions with Iran might include kind of a more robust discussion inspection policy where we can get kind of a better understanding of what the Iranians are doing. That would certainly go a long way towards actually building trust between the Iranians and the United States and the Trump administration. That’s, yeah, yeah, that’s kind of my piece on that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, super interesting. I’m talking with Ryan Morgan. He’s a reporter for the Epoch Times, and he focuses on military and foreign affairs, so he’s got a lot to write about. We’re going to continue the discussion when we come back, but we get to have all these discussions because of our great sponsors, and very pleased that a new sponsor is the Second Syndicate.
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SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And do check out the website for the Center for American Values. The center is located in Pueblo, and they do several things. They have these beautiful portraits of valor of over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients, great educational programs, and then they are fabulous on values speaker series, which I was down there last week, emceeing the event with Norma Donlon. And you can find that presentation at AmericanValuesCenter.org. And then co-founder of the center, Drew Dix, Medal of Honor recipient, has started a new podcast, Words from the Silo. And so be sure and check that out at AmericanValueCenter.org. And pleased to have on the line with me, Ryan Morgan. He is a reporter with the Epoch Times, focuses on military and foreign affairs. And he has just recently published a piece regarding India and India. steel tariffs and so ryan you’re probably you’re probably you have a front row seat to all this tariff stuff and the market is up it’s down right now it’s up yesterday i think it was down uh so what’s your thoughts on all this tariff stuff and and this uh 12 tariff on steel in india so talk to us a little bit about that
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, yeah. I’ll start off by saying I’m a little far afield when I talk about tariffs. I’m no great economist, so I’ll just kind of throw that caveat in. But yeah, what we saw yesterday was the Indian government levied a 12% tariff on I believe it was five categories of steel products. And, I mean, this is very clearly oriented towards keeping India competitive with China. China is by far and away the most productive steel-producing nation. If I have my numbers right from the World Steel Association, back in January said that China produced a billion metric tons annually. of the approximately 1.8 billion tons of steel that were put out in all of 2024. So they’re over half of all steel products. At a distant second is India with about 149 million metric tons. So you can do the math. That’s a pretty big gap. So over the last few years, China has been rolling out tons of steel, and they’re a powerhouse. And with all that heavy production comes a pretty cheap product. Supply and demand, they’ve got a lot of supply. So the cost there is pretty low, and they’re putting that out on the international market. And if you’re a nation like India, I believe their main – Their main source of steel imports, because India does import some steel from around the world, is South Korea. But China is still a pretty competitive exporter of steel to India. So the Indians are looking at this situation and saying, how do we keep our domestic industry in that valuable number two spot? And so, yeah, they’ve applied this 12% tariff, and it is kind of limited, five categories, as I said, and it’s supposed to last for the next 200 days. So it’s kind of a stopgap measure, and I guess we’ll kind of have to see where they go from there about six months out. They could extend this. They could say we’ve gotten what we need to out of it. But, yeah, that’s the situation there. with India’s steel tariff program.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and where does the United States fall regarding steel production globally?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that’s a great question. So Japan is the third largest producer, 84 million metric tons as of 2024. And the United States is in the fourth place, 79.5 million. So we are competitive. We’re We’re up there in the top five, but obviously still well south of where China is at.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I’ve always been a free trade girl. So initially when Trump had talked about tariffs, I was concerned about it because I like free trade. But one of – well, economist Brian Dmitrovich and I had a conversation on air, and then I have a good friend, Helen Raleigh. who immigrated from China, and she writes extensively. And both of them said that tariffs really have been one of the tools, one of the few tools that Trump had in his toolbox to try to get people to the table to talk about things, and that we don’t have a really – free and honest trade with China because they don’t have the labor costs that we have. In some cases, they maybe even use, we’ve seen on different things, the Uyghurs with slave labor. And so they don’t have the labor costs, which then they can come in and undercut our market. And then we lose that manufacturing here in America. Of course, Trump is saying to bring that manufacturing back. And so he’s using this to I want to get to free and honest trade. But that can’t happen when you have a government such as China subsidizing an industry and then dumping that product into other economies. Ryan, so this is super interesting to watch what Trump’s doing on this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Yeah, you know, if I could throw one point in about, you know, about industry and about industrial competition with China, you know, even if you take the, you know, the factor of, you know, China applying unfair trade practices, even if you take that out of the equation, when you look at this from a strategic situation, you know, Say we’re to have a friendly relationship with China. It doesn’t really concern us that they’re producing goods that we like to buy. But the question is, what happens when you are entirely reliant on China for major strategic resources? You know, if ever there comes a day where you’re in direct conflict, China, and all of your supply chains are running through that country, yeah, you’re going to have to do a reroute in the middle of a fight, and you’re going to be scrambling for resources at the worst possible time. So that’s another just kind of way I would look at that. Now, back to your question about how Trump has used tariffs as a negotiating tactic. Yeah, I think you’re right in saying that from a free trade perspective, tariffs aren’t necessarily a – they’re not necessarily something that people want. And we saw quite a bit of consternation over the last couple months with what’s going to happen once Trump applies these tariffs around the world. We did see that he, at the beginning of this month, put out a pretty extensive tariff schedule for basically the rest of the world, which countries getting which tariffs. And that ran for about a week before Trump decided to put a 90-day pause on just about all those tariffs except for China. So those are still – Those are still in place. Those are still kind of moving ahead. But what we’ve seen is that there have been a lot of countries that have come forward and said, okay, you know, we can start to play ball. We can discuss how to even out our playing field when it comes to trade with the United States. I’m having a little bit of trouble with recall here, but I believe it was a couple weeks ago that the – I want to say it’s – I won’t say her name because I don’t remember it off the top of my head, but the European Union commissioner came along and said we’re willing to discuss – a rapprochement with the U.S. when it comes to trade, where we’re going to kind of equalize some of the playing field here and kind of get to more of a trade parity. And I think that is in part due to the economic threat that Trump has put out there with this massive tariff schedule. So as far as a negotiating issue, tactic goes, I think Trump has demonstrated that tariffs can be useful for starting a discussion, even if they’re not a preferable thing to actually have applied.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and Ryan Morgan, when you mentioned the pressers that Trump was doing regarding these tariffs, he had this poster board, and he had all these different countries and what the U.S. was going to charge those tariffs. But he had also – I thought this was brilliant. He had listed what they are charging – on tariffs on our products going into their country. And I think there’s a lot of media that has not been honest about that. I think Americans have thought, oh, well, they’re not charging any tariffs on us. And Trump has realized for years that this is not fair. And so I was trying to get some information. I wanted to put something on X about that. So I was looking for that photo. And interestingly enough, I found the photo by Newsweek, and they had Trump holding that poster, but they had cut off all of that portion about the percentage of tariffs that they were charging on our tariffs. And I thought, this is so dishonest from a media standpoint. So I guess that’s where I can say I so appreciate the Epoch Times, because I think that there is this goal to really report the news. And of course, opinion pieces are opinion pieces. But I really – I thought that that was so dishonest from a journalistic standpoint of Newsweek on that, Ryan.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you know, I don’t want to comment on the editorial decisions that other publications make, but there are plenty I disagree with. If I can take – kind of the opportunity now. I would just like to highlight some great work by some of my colleagues, Jacob Berg and Savannah Holsey-Poynter. They both put out together a really great chart, just kind of laying out the whole tariff schedule. And yeah, we try and give as much context as possible to help our readers understand the decision-making process. These things aren’t happening in a vacuum. History didn’t start the moment that Trump spoke about a topic. These things have been going on for a while. Trump has been talking for a while about his concerns about trade imbalances and tariffs. So yeah, this didn’t come from nowhere. And Trump has been working on this for several years.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and Ryan Morgan, I have to say class act. Regarding my comments regarding Newsweek, very classy of you to be able to deflect that and just focus on what you do over at the Epoch Times. So classy thing to do on that, Ryan Morgan. Thank you. This has been super interesting, and I would recommend that people check out what you’re doing over at the Epoch Times. That’s Ryan Morgan. What’s your final thought that you’d like to leave with our listeners today, Ryan?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, stay tuned. I would say first off, stay tuned. I’ll be watching closely with the developments, discussions with Iran and Iran. My focus is trying to understand, like I said, the full context of the story, and we’ll try and get as much depth as we can with that information. And yeah, we’re trying to provide our readers with kind of the actionable information that they need to understand the world. And we hope to do a good job. We’re not always perfect, but we do our best.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and striving for excellence, doing your best is the first step on all this. And as we do on the show here, we search for truth and clarity. So I appreciate the great work that you’re doing. Love to have you back. So we’ll have to make that happen again.
SPEAKER 04 :
It was my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER 03 :
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And May 15th will be a great event for the USMC Memorial Foundation. It is their second annual golf tournament out at the Ridge Golf Course in Castle Rock. And so if you’re a golfer, what a great, great day. You’re going to get to play a great course, meet some great people, support the foundation. You can get more information about all that and get signed up at usmcmemorialfoundation.org, usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And you can text me at 720-605-0647. I do want to hear from you. And Producer Joe, at the top of the hour, we played the American Minute by Bill Fetter. And he said, on this day in history, I think it was 1839, a gunshot started the Oklahoma land rush. And you grew up in Oklahoma. And so during the break, you told me something so cool that they do in Oklahoma. So share that with our listeners.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yes, thank you, Kim. So they do like a mock land run pretty much every year.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, hey, Joe, let me stop you for just a minute. Volume at least coming through my earphones as you’re a little light.
SPEAKER 19 :
They brought in Native Americans, and they just taught us kind of the way it used to be, and it was very, very, very neat.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think that is so cool that they would do that with school children. That is just so neat. And so I wanted to share that. And, again, I’ve never really been to Oklahoma, and I would like to do that. I hear that Tulsa is really a great city. And so one of these days I need to do that. Anyway, super interesting, and I did want to hear from all of you, so I wanted to get through some of these text messages. Mark said regarding these tariffs, buy your new TV now that those prices might be going up. And then let’s see here. This is from Eric. He said that the cash that was sent to Iran was during the Obama administration. Now, I know that those that supported that cash going to Iran – have said that that was their money and he was just giving it back but we i don’t think we should be funding terrorists which is one of the things that i think that they’ve done is they’ve funded terrorists throughout throughout the the the globe and so this is so interesting that trump is getting everybody to the negotiating table on that and then let’s see here uh So this is from Susan. She said, if I were Iran, I’d probably hang on to my nuclear material, too, because they watched what happened with Qaddafi and other countries. So, yeah, this whole trust thing. It is so interesting regarding these negotiations, but to have a country that supports terrorism and is supporting the annihilation of Israel, it’s probably important that we try to make sure that they don’t get nuclear weapons. So I appreciate what Trump is doing. on this, getting to the negotiating table. And so let’s see, several other things that I wanted to mention is right here on the local level. And I thought this was so interesting because we hear about these mountain towns who basically have been, I think, gouging tourists, charging more for taxes regarding short-term rentals, and have just really, I think, been gouging tourists. And so I thought this was an interesting headline, and this is from CBS Colorado. It says, Breckenridge tourism takes an unexpected dip in Colorado’s mountains amid general economy concerns. And it goes on to say that there were rumblings from local Summit County residents in Colorado’s high country that it felt like it was especially quiet this spring season in regard to visitors. And that feeling has been justified because the Breckenridge Tourism Office has its latest data on this. And it says, looking at the past winter, they were down about 12% in guest nights for spring break, for example. And then looking at the winter overall, they think that that is down as well. And so I think there’s a lot going on. But, gosh, to take a family skiing is so expensive. And I’m wondering if maybe they’re also pricing themselves out of that particular market, then all of the taxes and the fees to go to – Colorado’s mountain towns, I think that we’re starting to see that play out a bit. So I thought that that was a really important headline that we need to be watching. And so the key here and the conversation that we’ve had with With Kevin Lundberg, is government on the local, the county and the state level? What happens is these electeds get into these offices and they forget that they’re supposed to be representatives of the people. And the Thomas Jefferson or the quote about Thomas Jefferson yesterday from Andrew Napolitano says, That so many presidents have thought, and he said every president except Jefferson thinks that their job is to keep Americans safe, which, yes, that is important. National defense is certainly important. But bottom line is to keep Americans free. And so one of the ways is to keep government in its proper box, its proper role. And when you look all in at taxes and fees at the local, county, state level and national level, I bet that they’re taking at least half of the production of the things that we produce, the work that we do. And that’s not the way it’s supposed to be. But please have on the line with me. We haven’t heard from him. I hear from him on the text regularly, but haven’t heard him on the line. And that is Eric of Manning’s Famous Burritos. Eric, welcome. What’s on your radar?
SPEAKER 08 :
Hi, Kim. You know, it bugged me very, very much. So when Greg Lopez was on your show, I think it was last week or a week and a half ago.
SPEAKER 03 :
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER 08 :
Then he went on to another show after that. And I’m going to just tell you, it was Jeff Hunt asked him how he rated Polis. And Greg had the audacity to rate him with a C instead of an F minus. Yeah, that made me hot as fish grease.
SPEAKER 1 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
Anyway, I’m not laughing at the fact that you were a hottest fish grease, but every time you say that it gets touches my funny bone.
SPEAKER 08 :
So anyway, OK, so it’s with me when Greg had the chance to give him a minus. And I text into that show and I said, well, now Scott Bottoms has my vote because of what Greg said about, you know. And I think Scott Bottoms, to assure to be the next governor, should run on no property taxes, period. Just like the governor in Florida, DeSantis. It’s that simple. It’s ours. I mean, it’s yours in our land. There should be no property taxes, Kim. That would surely put Scott Bottoms in the governor’s office.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I will talk to Greg Lopez about that. And to your point regarding Scott Bottoms, he has thrown his hat in the ring for governor as well as Mark Baisley on the Republican side. They are – I think all of them are fine, fine men, and I’m really excited about the fact that they’ve thrown their hat in the ring on that. And, yeah, I would give Jared Polis not an F minus. I’d give him a zero, Eric.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that’s worse. I’ll give him one, too. I’m right there with you, my dear. Much love. God bless. Thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you. And Jared Polis is no libertarian, and nothing that is happening down at the Statehouse doesn’t happen without his input and him knowing what’s going on and his support. And so we’ve got to reclaim Colorado, and we’re working on that. So I really appreciate all of you listening. and appreciate all of your support. And we work really diligently to put together informative shows for you so that you can engage in this battle of ideas out there with your friends and your family and your colleagues because America was founded on an idea, and we are in a big battle of ideas right now. And this is our 1775 moment. regarding these and so i love this quote from george mason he said the laws of nature are the laws of god whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth so today my friends be grateful read great books think good thoughts listen to beautiful music communicate and listen well live honestly and authentically and strive for high ideals because like superman stand for truth justice and the american way my friends you are not alone God bless you. God bless America. And we’ll talk tomorrow.
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