The conversation takes an entertaining detour as John and Andy share their light-hearted views on opera and music theater, before diving into reflections on the rapid evolution of technology. A spirited exchange about the state of the Colorado GOP rounds out the episode, with the hosts offering their candid thoughts on current political dynamics and the emergence of various PACs within the political landscape.
00:05:18 Views on Opera and Entertainment Preferences
00:07:32 Personal Anecdotes and Technology Updates
00:14:21 Discussion on Colorado GOP and Political PACs
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My advice to you is to do what your parents did. Get a job, sir. You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same, and there’s a big difference.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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SPEAKER 08 :
All right, happy Tuesday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and it’s a wet Tuesday.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is. Actually, it’s wonderful for my lawn. My lawn, I think I could hear it applauding as I drove away.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, if you are into green grass, yes, you like this kind of weather. And, you know, it doesn’t last around here very long. No, it doesn’t. A day or two of this is fine.
SPEAKER 10 :
But you know what’s going to be neat, John? I guarantee you this. Next week, as you drive around the front range, you’re going to see so much green. Yep. Where you see a lot of brown.
SPEAKER 08 :
And it’s really cool seeing that. Foothills, people’s lawns that normally don’t water will be green. Yeah, I don’t like them. Everybody, you know, I don’t either.
SPEAKER 10 :
I just want you to know, folks, if you don’t water your lawn, if you don’t… Public enemy number one. If you don’t care for your lawn… Like maybe deal with a weed now and then and water it and mow it. I flat out do not like you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Public enemy number one. Yes. And by the way, there’s some cities and municipalities that aren’t much better at that, Andy, which is, in my opinion, there’s no excuse.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, that always blows my mind, especially or when you go to like a mall. Right. Right. These malls generally have beautiful lawns, beautiful flowers.
SPEAKER 08 :
You would hope so.
SPEAKER 10 :
Every now and then they let it go and you’re like, what’s going on here?
SPEAKER 08 :
Cheapskates. Is that what it is? Yeah, literally.
SPEAKER 10 :
Has your company ever handled, you know, like for malls or whatever?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, they’re too cheap.
SPEAKER 10 :
They’re too cheap.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, they’re too cheap. Literally, they’re too cheap.
SPEAKER 10 :
So it’s all illegal labor. That’s all they’re going to pay for.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, it’s just they cut back on everything so much that that’s why things start to look that way because, you know, and I guess their defense a little bit today, it wasn’t this way years and years ago, and at one time it wasn’t so bad. But now they struggle so much to keep tenants because malls are struggling and so on that they try to cut their expenses as much as they can.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, that’s a good point, though. Retail has gone through hell.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
It really has.
SPEAKER 08 :
Although you knew it was coming.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, yeah, you knew it was coming with all the online shopping. I mean, my goodness. And then, of course, COVID. Right. That blew everything up. But that is no excuse for our governor. No. Forcing all these restaurants and retail outlets to have to cut in half their floor usage. Agree. And spread everything out. That, I’m telling you what, John.
SPEAKER 08 :
Safety, Andy. Safety.
SPEAKER 10 :
No. That buried more businesses, honestly, than masks or anything else.
SPEAKER 08 :
But it’s safety first, Andy. Jeez. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, they’re out of jobs. Safety first. You’ve got whole families who have lost businesses.
SPEAKER 08 :
Safety first. Like we’ve said many times on this program, one of the first times in, well, the first time in history I can remember that I’d ever seen American people give up freedom for safety.
SPEAKER 10 :
I know, and you had people like us screaming from the hilltops, or in this case, the rooftop, you know, you’re not getting any safer. You’re fine. It’s getting worse. We’re not taking any shots. We’re not wearing masks, and we’re healthy as can be. Right. But, I mean, when you had people, if you remember back then, remember half as many tables in a restaurant?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, I know. It was ridiculous, Andy.
SPEAKER 10 :
How are you going to make the payments? How are you going to do anything?
SPEAKER 08 :
Some didn’t, Andy. No, a lot didn’t. Some didn’t. A lot of them just flat out had to close up. And some really good ones, too. Yeah. I miss some of those restaurants. You’re right. I agree wholeheartedly. Okay. All right. Impossible question yesterday. was who wrote Critique of Pure Reason that was Kant, and that’s spelled with a K. Immanuel. You would think that Critique of Pure Reason and a guy named Kant.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, it’s Kant, but still.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Kant. That’s good. I like that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Get that? Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
You should put an apostrophe in there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Anyways. Okay. Today’s possible question. Okay. Who composed the opera Don Giovanni?
SPEAKER 10 :
Don Giovanni. Oh.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m not an opera guy, so I couldn’t tell you. You guys know my feeling on all that. I don’t watch musicals or anything, nor do I go to the opera.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ll be honest. I really don’t like operas. I really don’t. Boring.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there’s no speaking, and at least musicals are mostly speaking. And you had to really go home and watch the grass grow.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s more enjoyable.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m not an opera fan.
SPEAKER 08 :
No. I mean, some are. More power to you. And if you’re listening and you’re one of those, you know, great. You’ll love you. I mean, it takes all kind. I’m just not one of you. Okay. I’d rather go to a drag race or something like that as the opera.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, there are some musicals that are great.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, there’s not.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, Grease. Come on.
SPEAKER 08 :
No. You didn’t like Grease? The movie, yeah. You are not an American. I’m just not. For me, somebody says, oh, best things ever. Go to New York, go to Broadway. I can’t think of anything more boring in my life to go do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I would have to be dragged in there in chains.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’d want to know where the best pizza place is instead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Send me there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I would not. New York pizza. That’s what I want to get. Go send me there, Ed. Do not put me in Broadway.
SPEAKER 08 :
I could spend the evening in a pizza joint versus there. Versus Broadway.
SPEAKER 10 :
First of all, I wouldn’t enjoy the events. And secondly, John, what about the parking? What about the crowds? What about everything and the cost? How is this fun? Is it just because to a number of people it’s the event?
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s hooty-tooty. You know, hoity-toity kind of stuff. Hoity-toity. Yeah, you know. Isn’t it, Charlie? It’s one of those hoity-toity things to go do. He’s in there laughing at us. Hooty-tooty, that’s what I call it. But, you know, teach his own.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, whichever. I don’t want to go.
SPEAKER 08 :
How’s that? Yeah, it’s a highfalutin kind of a thing that I think people just put on their bucket list and go do. And, I mean, some are really into it. I understand that, Andy. Some people really get into that. That’s great. God bless you.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, I actually majored in music theater. Really? For a while, yeah. I’m sorry. Hey, I enjoyed the stage. I was actually pretty good. Well, good for you. Yeah, back in the day.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good for you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but no, I have no interest. Yeah. Was I a thespian? Yes, I was. I starred in a number of plays.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, wait a minute. Is thespian, is that a neutral lesbian? Actor. Yeah, sure. Like a shim?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I guess I’m like a lesbian since I’m attracted to the female half of the race.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, because I’m pretty ignorant. What is a thespian? Actor. An actor. A theater person. To me, it sounded like a neutral lesbian.
SPEAKER 10 :
Sure it would.
SPEAKER 08 :
Charlie said a lesbian with a lisp.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ve never met one with a lisp.
SPEAKER 08 :
I wouldn’t know if they were or weren’t.
SPEAKER 10 :
Most lesbians really do enunciate well, John. Do they drive Subarus? Some. Yeah. There’s a few.
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God. Country. Reason.
SPEAKER 08 :
Now back to John Rush. And Charlie said that’s in honor of you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 10 :
I brought the house down as a senior singing this song. Back in the day, John. Back in the day. Boy, does that tell you… Back in the good old days, Andy. By the way, does that tell you how old I am?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, it does.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah? That’s an old song.
SPEAKER 08 :
Andy and I were talking about that before we came on air today. You know, the good old days. Yeah, we were talking about microfiche and things like that because I was talking about some of that yesterday. Yeah, no, those weren’t so good.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, I think if you go back any further than, say, a week ago, I probably don’t like the tech.
SPEAKER 08 :
Um… It has changed a lot.
SPEAKER 10 :
Although I do hate every update on my phone.
SPEAKER 08 :
It can get a little cumbersome.
SPEAKER 10 :
My wife and I, we just got in. Don’t hate us. We have these droids. Yeah, I know. You’re a greenie.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s all right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Galaxy, whatever.
SPEAKER 08 :
You and Charlie.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Well, greenie. Yeah, you’re a greenie. What’s green about them?
SPEAKER 08 :
They’re just a phone. No, because when I talk to you, it’s green. When I talk to an iPhone user, it’s blue. So you two are greenies. Your text messages back and forth to me are green. So either way, we’re Democrats, green or blue. Yeah, so when I text an iPhone user, it’s blue. It’s green, blue. These phone companies are evil. Okay, wait a minute. You did not know that? You didn’t know that’s where the nickname Greenie comes from?
SPEAKER 10 :
Dude, I was raised in an environmentalist family. What do you think I think?
SPEAKER 08 :
You thought Greeny was that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I’ve never heard Greeny referred to with phones. This is the first time. Oh, okay. You’ve ushered me into a whole new world here.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I learned what a thespian is, so I guess we’re even.
SPEAKER 10 :
Now you know. Well, on our Samsung phones, anyway, we just got updates. My wife and I did in the last week.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
And immediately, our phones now drain. Their battery drains at two to three times the rate. Not a good update, then. No kidding. There are no good updates.
SPEAKER 08 :
I hate their updates. Not a good update.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. All right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Speaking of updates.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
We have something we were going to talk about today. We’ve got time so we can roll into this. There’s so many. And this one, I mean, because we’ve been laughing and kind of starting off joking and having a good time, I suppose we could continue on because this next topic that we’re going to talk about, Andy. Yes. Is laughable all in and of itself. Yes. And that is some of the things that are being formed around the Colorado GOP right now. And I use Colorado GOP loosely because I am a member of the Colorado GOP here in Colorado. But for some of these individuals that are making some of these quote-unquote PACs or not-for-profits or whatever you want to call them, I frankly do not want to be associated with them in any way, shape, or form. form or otherwise andy that includes the eric grossman doge committee that they’re thinking they’re going to be very similar and funny they’re even using the same logo and so on as doge when it’s about as far from that yeah did they get permission on that i have no idea no i highly doubt it colorado doge they have absolutely none of the resources to do anything that doge does or skill set
SPEAKER 10 :
Or none of the skill set. They’re just grifting. These are people who were involved with the past leadership of the party, and now they’re grifting in any way they can. I think the funnier one has to be Team Eimer.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so I will let you, you know, given that you brought us into that one, and I’ve got a full email here talking about different things along those lines. Sure. Go ahead. Explain what Team Eimer actually is.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, all these grifts are the same. And by the way, Rhino Watch has been doing the same. They’re all trying to raise money because now they don’t have their clutches into the state party, okay? And here’s this one. This is from Team Eimer, and this is, I guess, Weston and Laurel Eimer, his mom. Okay, so it says, I love when they call me friend. The Colorado GOP is silent. The RNC is silent. The grand old party is failing us all. Tomorrow is May 1st, a few days ago. And that means that 2026 midterm races are in full swing. No, they aren’t. No, 10 years started yet. Yeah, we’re nowhere close. Our majorities in the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate are at risk if we do not activate, engage, and turn on our voters to secure our majorities. Okay, full stop. First of all, Imers, had we gone with the people that your leadership recommended in the last… in their endorsements, we would have lost the House. Nationally. Nationally.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, not locally, nationally.
SPEAKER 10 :
We would have lost the House nationally had we gone with your endorsements. Okay? And now you guys are telling us that you’re going to help us, what, secure majorities? How? How? You guys also endorsed 18 candidates in contested elections here in Colorado. You lost 14 by landslides. And then you guys went on, if we had gone the way that you wanted, we would have lost three House seats. Therefore, Trump would now have a Democrat House. So just thought I’d say that. Okay, keep continuing on. In Colorado, we have seen disastrous policies like SB003 that will strip the ability to obtain firearms from law-abiding citizens. I agree, by the way. As well as laws that endanger parental rights and policies that encourage the transing of our youth. I’m not even going to comment on that. During all of this, the party has been silent. Really? How? Even going so far as to say they are not lobbyists and cannot engage in policy activism. Okay, first… First of all, that’s a true statement. They can’t. Right. They are not lobbyists. This is actually true. They can’t engage in actual activism. Can they speak out? Yes. And they have many times.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
I have seen statements from Britta Horne. I’ve seen statements from Daryl Phelan. I’ve seen statements from multiple members who are working together with the state party coming against all these things. What are they talking about? They’re just lying.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, Andy, it’s… Let me see if I can be somewhat nice because this stuff really irritates me because you’re basically trying to collect money off of things that are totally untrue, are complete falsehoods. They are not true whatsoever, and you’re grifting around trying to collect money off of that. It’s really, Andy, you said we kind of started the show laughing. This stuff actually angers me. Because you’re going to, and this is why. Yeah, go ahead. You’re now going to take money from some individuals that have bought into your lies. And you’re now going to take that money as your own pack or your own organization. And I’ll just say it straight up. Waste that money on things that will have no effect at the end of the day on actually getting real people elected either nationally or in the state of Colorado. It’s like flushing money down the toilet.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. I mean, all I know so far, I don’t know what parts of this are true or false, except for the fact that they say, you know, go with them. And that way we can win majorities when they recommended people who would have lost us the majority. Here they quote Daryl Phelan, who is the new vice chair. And he says, the officers of the Colorado Republican Party are not registered lobbyists under Colorado law and therefore cannot engage in direct lobbying activities. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then, which really quick for everybody listening, as leaders of the party, and I think Steve House, if he were with us today, would agree with what you and I, Andy, right now are talking about. The reality is that is not the proper role of the leadership in the party to do that on either side of the aisle. If you want to go down and lobby, then hire a lobbyist. Go figure out how you want to make that happen. Yes, you can talk to your own constituents, which they are. Yes, you can talk to your own elected leaders, which they are. But at the end of the day, no, you can’t go down to Capitol Hill and act like a lobbyist. Right. They can’t act as a lobbyist. And I’ll go one step further for all of you listening, which you may or may not agree with me on this. I don’t even feel like it’s the job of the chair or the vice chair, definitely not the job of the treasurer, which that’s a whole other conversation we might get into today. But it’s not the job of the chair or the vice chair to even go down in front of the Capitol and speak, by the way. It is their job to organize individuals to go out and win elections, to raise money, to enable those people to do so. And the last thing I want them doing, by the way, personally as a Colorado Republican, is down at the Statehouse testifying against anything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. They’re not candidates, okay? They are running the machine. Correct. Their job is to run the machine.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not testify, Andy.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, not to do any of that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct. It is not their job. It is not the proper role of what they’re here to do.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way, we have people who do all those things, and they’re wonderful people. I applaud them, and that’s great. Well, here, this is also quoting from the Imers. Standing up for the Second Amendment is not lobbying. Standing up for parental rights is not lobbying. Standing up for our basic civil rights is not lobbying. My answer to that is, you’re right. Those things are not lobbying. And that is why Britta Horne has come out and spoken on those things directly. She has stood up for the Second Amendment. She has stood up for parental rights. What are you talking about? You’re acting like they’re not doing anything. And by the way, first of all, the state party is speaking out on these things. Okay. Secondly, John, honestly, it doesn’t make any difference if they do. Okay. KBB, this was an issue I had with KBB. She would put out these statements and proclamations on various issues. Which one of those statements accomplished anything? None. None. Then Dave Williams came along, and it was statement, statement, statement, him and Hope Scheppelman, and they would do statement, statement, statement. And by the way, I pretty much agreed with all their statements just as you did.
SPEAKER 08 :
We agreed. But at the end of the day, what are they changing?
SPEAKER 10 :
What did they achieve?
SPEAKER 08 :
Nothing.
SPEAKER 10 :
Nothing. Why? Because you only achieve by winning and getting votes down at the…
SPEAKER 08 :
Downtown. Let me go back to that, Andy, because I knew we were going to get to this. Down at the Capitol. I was talking to a client of mine earlier today talking about changing Colorado and so on. So for those of you listening, this is how lopsided things are here in Colorado and where I want my party leaders working on how do we win elections, not this nonsense that the Imers are talking about, by the way. Currently, right now, we have, of course, this is the Colorado General Assembly. We have 100 seats, 35 senators, 65 representatives. Out of the 35 senators, it’s 23 Democrats, 12 Republicans. Yeah. So if you think about having any seat at the table, folks, you take the difference between 23 and 12, which is 11, meaning we need to win roughly six senatorial seats and keep the existing 12 that we have coming up. Right. Correct. In 2026. Right. Along with the continued inflow of blue state voters. Let me go one step further. That’s the Senate. All right. The House of Representatives in the state, it’s even worse. We have 43 Democrats, 22 Republicans, meaning, again, take the difference between those two. We’ve got to go out and and again, Andy, we need to elect not only the continual continue to have the 22 that we already have, but to have any kind of majority. We need an additional what? 13, 14 seats. One. So all together, I think I figured out today, we need to win 25 elections in Colorado, swing them R, and keep the existing R’s we have to even have a seat at the table.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, in both of those houses, it is almost two to one, Democrat to Republican. Okay, this is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 08 :
But yet, Andy, I thought the last administration, the Davidians did a bang-up job of switching this around.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, they did not, John. And once again, as I’ve shown with the numbers, I won’t go through it again, but as I’ve shown with the numbers countless times, the Davidians steered us to losing 60% of Trump’s red wave. That is the result that they got for us, okay? Now, really quick here. I’m not going to read the rest. I just want to read this sentence. They go… Standing up to the radical left is a fundamental principle of the Republican Party. Yeah. Okay. We all do that. You and I do that daily. Yeah. Everybody does that. Meanwhile, the RNC is enabling our globalist uniparty leadership and is refusing to stand up to them. Okay, wait a minute. Time out. How is the RNC enabling globalism and uniparty leadership in Colorado? What is the RNC doing that is in any way, shape, or form enabling these things? Nothing. Look, I got news for you, Imers. Dear Weston, dear Laurel, no offense to you, but I’m speaking to everybody in the Davidian group, okay? Okay? Here is why the globalists and the uniparty people are in charge in Colorado. They have more voters, way more voters. They moved in by the millions from places like California and New York and Illinois. They overwhelmed us. There are more of them. That is why they’re in charge. They’re not in charge because Britta Horne hasn’t made a statement somewhere or isn’t marching at the Capitol steps on something. They have more voters. Right, right. I mean, how moronic is this? At the end of this, then they beg for money. Like they’re going to fix this all.
SPEAKER 08 :
They’re going to fix it all. Again, nationally, which the RNC is, how could a party that’s now in support of Trump and tariffs, and you and I have talked about this, we even talked about this a little bit on Friday, given the fact that Trump is for the national United States of America, not the global United States of America. He’s about as anti-globalistic, anti-globalism, as you could possibly be. So how is the RNC now, given the fact that technically Trump’s in charge, how could the RNC, Andy, be full of globalists?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, they say here that they are, the Imers, that they are pro-Trump, okay? By the way, I’ve never had anything against the Imers. I’ve never really thought about the Imers, except that they have embraced the Davidian thing. You know, they’re the Dave people, okay? Fine. You want to be that? You want to wrap yourself in that? You go ahead, whatever, okay? But, John… Trump is anti-globalist. The RNC is wildly supportive of Donald Trump. Which means they’re anti-globalist. Right. They are not globalists. You can always pick out a few Republicans nationwide, usually ones that are in deep purple districts who have to speak. They’ve got to walk that walk. That’s right. I get that. You can always pick out a few. It’s nationwide. But overall, the Republican Party right now is extremely anti-globalist. And I love it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, when we come back, I’m going to give my thoughts on where I feel like this particular faction of the party is headed. And it mirrors a lot of what I grew up with in my upbringing. And I’ll explain how that correlation is as soon as I come back. That should be fun. Sound like a plan. We’ll be right back. Up next, we have veteran windows and doors. And on a day like today where you’re thinking, man, I wish things were a little bit cooler. I might even have a window that’s got a leak in it. Whatever the case may be, give Dave a call today. Veteran windows and doors. Find him at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 10 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s afternoon rush, KLZ 560. You know, John, really quick here before you jump in. You’re fine. Take your time. I don’t like grifters to begin with.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know my feeling on that.
SPEAKER 10 :
These people who never seem to produce anything in life, and all they do is jump from political leader to political leader. The ones who drive me the most nuts are the MAGA ones. I’m MAGA. I love MAGA. I have never raised a dime off of MAGA. I have never raised a dime off of Donald Trump’s name. But these people and the Imers, they do it several times in their thing. Dave Williams did it constantly. What they do. Dave tried to, he positioned himself as the Colorado Trump.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, running on his coattails.
SPEAKER 10 :
He had nothing in common with Trump. Trump creates a big tent. Dave, his entire goal was to shrink the tent and to push out anybody. Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Cut it in half.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. Rhino hunt. Okay. And these people, they constantly try to say they are with Trump. They are with Trump. They are with Trump. They are with Trump. Here’s the problem. All the people who are against them are also with Trump. Eli Bremmer campaigned for Trump. Todd Watkins, who I’ve had on here. Todd Watkins is a huge Trump person. The people who led the push to get rid of Dave Williams are all pro-Trump. And yet, these people… Yet they’re being labeled anti-Trump. Yeah, and I guess, let me just end with this. The Davidians here in Colorado constantly try to grift and raise money off Trump’s name when they have produced absolutely not one single shred of what Donald Trump has produced. And it drives me crazy. It’s like, people, he is Donald Trump for a reason, and you’re not. You haven’t done anything but fail.
SPEAKER 08 :
Which you just really, you didn’t know you were going to do this, but you really just helped solidify what I was going to compare what they’re doing to with what I grew up with. Well, I’m glad to lead in. Go ahead. You literally set the stage for that perfectly because the comparison I see in that particular faction of the party right now here in the Colorado GOP. And by the way, there’s a few of these in other states as well, but it’s really bad here in Colorado. In fact, I think we’ve started to attract more of them. We’ve had people move to Colorado, I think purposely even to be a part of that particular faction, Andy. I think you’ve seen that happen. Yeesh. I’m sorry to say, but I think you’ve seen that happen. Awful, isn’t it? So when I grew up, and yes, I grew up in, and some of you have heard my story, but I grew up in a very legalistic end of an independent Baptist church, and fortunately, even with all of that weirdness and things that were going on at the time, I still ended up, you know, quote-unquote, turning out okay and still have a love for the Lord and follow Him and so on, where a lot of the kids and folks that I grew up with, frankly, turned completely different. the other direction and went the other way, partially because of, I think, the way they grew up, which I know your wife is very similar to my background.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and my wife’s a lot like you. She’s the one in her family who, I’ll just say, stayed on that track.
SPEAKER 08 :
Stayed on course.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Now, here’s the comparison. The way I grew up was because everything was so black and white that Legalistic, if you would. So in other words, you got to do this. You got to do that. Much like the Davidians, you can’t do this or you’re a rhino. If you do that, you’re a rhino. You can’t be for this particular thing or you’re a rhino. If you’re for that candidate, you’re a rhino. It doesn’t matter whether we want to win or not, Andy, at the end of the day. It’s just because you’re X, you’re a rhino.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and it’s not even what your principles and beliefs are. It’s your allegiances. That’s right. If you like this person, you’re a rhino. If you appreciate anything that that person said, you’re a rhino, you get the idea.
SPEAKER 08 :
Much like when I was a kid growing up, if you associated with even other folk from other type of non-independent Baptist churches… That was like total heresy, Andy. You are not allowed to even associate or hang out with people that weren’t in your own little, quote unquote, clique, if you would. Much like the Davidians are. It’s so similar, Andy. It’s scary.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah, they hate anyone outside the cult.
SPEAKER 08 :
Anybody outside of that group they do not like, do not get along with. Now, I’ll go one step further and say that even the way that the, in the case of the church, the way the plan of salvation was presented versus the way that the Davidian group wants to try to win elections, it’s exactly the same, Andy. I’m going to just thump you over the head with the Bible as many times as I possibly can, and by George, you’re going to get saved because I’m going to just thump it into you. You heard the word. That’s right. It’s no different than these people trying to get their candidates elected. Well, you know what? They’re principled. They’re true conservatives. They’re not a rhino. They’re the one you ought to be voting for. Doesn’t matter whether the market doesn’t like them, Andy. At the end of the day, that’s the guy you have to vote for. Right. Much like the gospel was presented going door to door on Thursday night visitation where you’d open the door and literally say, Andy, do you know if you died tonight where you’re going? That’s literally the spiel that would happen on Thursday night visitation. The door would open, the guy or gal would come to the door, and you’d literally ask, can I ask you a question? If you died tonight, do you know where you’re going? I’m not joking. That’s how the conversation. So it’s so eerily similar. And I got to believe that part of this is because some of even what I grew up with in my background has somehow infiltrated some of that thinking that the Davidians have. It has.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. That’s why I’m so against it, Andy. I’m going to give you two words. Lauren Boebert. Here’s another thing about cults, okay? The moment anybody in the cult dares, or anybody who is, let’s put it, I don’t really think Lauren was in it, but who is associated with it, okay? Because they glommed onto her like they glommed onto Trump. Correct. And by the way, Trump has nothing to do with them. You know, he endorsed Dave back in the day before Dave came. Before everyone knew who he was. Yeah, before he knew what Dave was like, and then Trump never said another word about Dave once it became clear. Well, Lauren signed on to one letter. That said, you know, okay, we got to move on from Dave Williams. This is a problem. She signed on with our other three House members here. And what did Rhino watch? They’re the voice piece for the Davidians. What did they do to her? Crucified her, literally. They crucified her in print. Yeah. And I mean it was grotesque. Oh, it’s awful, Andy. It’s the usual Mark Hampton type of just raging. Grotesque nonsense. Grotesque, bullying, raging, ugly speech.
SPEAKER 08 :
They basically called her a prostitute.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s basically what they said.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Yeah. They talked about her appearance and all this kind of stuff. And it was grotesque, right? That is what they do. We’re talking about people, John, who a week earlier were praising her to the hills. Right. This is how they are. That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
And that’s what I grew up with, Andy. It’s no different other than the switch has been flipped from the religious side to the political side. I guess that’s why personally I’ve been so against this for so long now. I’m sure your wife can relate to what I’m talking about along those lines because she can see it firsthand just like I do. And it’s so eerily similar to what I grew up with that it’s just icky. Right. I don’t know how else to say it. It’s just ick. John, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, you got me laughing in the car, John. With? What you were saying about your church, the same thing happened to me as I got very disillusioned as a Catholic and kind of walked away from all of it and then had to find my way back.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know?
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re not the only one.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, there’s a lot of people out there, and you just pray for them that had walked away from whatever it was, because, you know, if you weren’t baptized and had all your sacraments Catholic, and went to confession once a week, you weren’t going to heaven.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep. I grew up very similar to that, John, only on the non-Catholic side. Charlie can relate to this, because he was very similar growing up as well, and it was very— there’s a lot of folks listening that probably feel the same way and understand that fully.
SPEAKER 10 :
Can I say something really quick from the left?
SPEAKER 08 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
I grew up with the same thing only on the left in the environmentalist Marxist movement. If you strayed outside of that, the hate that would come your way, just look at Tulsi.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, good point. Yeah, good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they hate her more than anything. And she never changed. It was those people left her behind.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and again, I think what happens even for politicians, John, like Tulsi or even RFK Jr., where yes, they are still in a lot of ways have their liberal roots and so on, and I’m not saying that they’re any way, shape, or form like we are as conservatives, although what happens is when your own people start chasing you off, pretty soon you start thinking, hmm, why am I in that particular group of individuals when all they’re doing is chasing me off or being rational in my thought process?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and then you’re also… saying, where do I go from here? And on the religious side, it takes you a while to work your way back. Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I would just dare you. I would dare you to tell any of the, even if you were raised by the environmentalist left, I would dare you to tell any of them either that the polar ice cap is increasing at the South Pole right now or that the water levels are exactly the same at the Statue of Liberty that they’ve been since we got the Statue of Liberty. Absolutely. You tell them that. And let’s say you’ve been one of them the entire time, but you say, well, you know, but we should probably keep this in mind. It’ll be instant hate, rage. And that is exactly the thing we’ve been seeing from the Davidians here in Colorado. Go ahead, John.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, the best one is Elon Musk. They loved him. Oh, good point.
SPEAKER 08 :
Now they burn his cars. Great point. Great point, John.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know, I saw a meme online. This guy said, I go around to liberals. liberal rallies and put Trump stickers on the car and watch them destroy each other’s car.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s funny. That’s a pretty good meme. And really quick, John, I want people to really understand the correlation because to me politically it’s very much the same correlation. And my point is because of the radicalization of that faction of the party and the fact that it’s very much the way I grew up with spiritually speaking, religiously speaking, the reality is they’re going to run more people off that really could help the party move forward and really get good, solid candidates out and about and really get people elected. They do more damage than they do good because of their thought process.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it was the same way in the churches we grew up in. That’s right. That’s my point. They believed that they were doing so good that they couldn’t be wrong.
SPEAKER 08 :
But the reality is they were running people off every single week, John.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, can I give one more really quick here? Can I give one more thing in common between those churches you grew up in and groups like the Davidians? Yes. They both shrink.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, that’s very true. Yeah. Eventually, John, and you know this as well. People don’t want to be part of it. be a little bit different because it’s a much larger structure but the independent side of what i grew up in as time went by eventually you know you start to andy’s point you you kind of peak you have this it’s kind of like the tea party even you get this big movement going on all sorts of people join it’s this big rah-rah thing but then pretty soon the realness of what’s really going on the the underbelly starts to surface and pretty soon you start realizing that oh wait a minute There’s a lot of weirdo rule and regulation, you know, wackadoodles that are running this thing, and pretty soon it goes from the peak to where it starts dropping and dropping and dropping to where over time it becomes non-existent.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, John, the first time that you have somebody in your group that always accepted you lash out at you when you just think for a moment outside their box, it’s a stunning thing. That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. Well, we have a… Me, my brother, and sister have a standing rule, no politics, because my sister and her husband are New York liberals. We’ll just go with that.
SPEAKER 08 :
That explains it.
SPEAKER 06 :
And my brother, who also lives in New York, is a hardcore conservative. Because, you know, he works hard. No, but my brother-in-law, who’s now retired, was a 45-year… New York Union member, so you know who he was going to be. He worked, you know, construction, but he was in the union. They’re all very liberal Democrats. So it’s, you know, we just have a family rule, so to keep the peace, no politics. Andy, do you guys have that same rule now that you’ve come over to the dark side?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we basically don’t really engage at all. And look, you know, here’s the thing, John. What it became for me, and I won’t go deeply into it, was this. I have a wonderful family, as you know. I’ve said it many times on here. They’re great people. However, it came to the point where… The price of admission to interact with them and to be their son or brother in that family was my silence on all things that mattered to me. And after a while, I just said, you know, the price is too high. If I have to always not be me to be in this setting all the time, that’s a bit much.
SPEAKER 08 :
Which, really quick to close out, John, that’s eventually where the Davidians will get to where if you don’t believe and do everything the way they want, you will no longer be allowed. The price of admission will become so high that most people won’t go anymore.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, and then they’ll either spin off and start a new party, or in your case, John, I have a question for you. So you went to the church growing up that they featured in the movie Footloose? Basically, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Basically.
SPEAKER 06 :
You guys have a great rest of the day. You do the same, John.
SPEAKER 08 :
Appreciate you very much. And, yeah, and Andy’s right. I never really had thought about that. Andy, you’re correct. Eventually, because, yeah, there are, in every one of those types of movements and churches, Charlie, I think will admit this as well, there is an influx for a while. There are enough people where you’re speaking their language and things start to grow and things are doing really well. Again, until that real underbelly, the Davites, the Davidians, if you would, really start to take over. And then that really starts to shine through. And pretty soon the numbers that were once really, really strong start to diminish. And pretty soon you’re down to where there’s hardly influence left at all.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. It just gets to a point where people realize, my gosh, the moment I step one step outside of what you demand, you won’t just not like it. You will rage against me because these people run on rage. Mark Hampton runs on rage. You’ve read his stuff.
SPEAKER 08 :
In our case, it’s very similar, again, to the church, because at that point, Andy, it wasn’t that you were, you know, the Davidians now would tell you that you’re going to political hell. In my world, it was you were going to the literal hell.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
But it’s the same at the end of the day as far as how they’re doing it.
SPEAKER 10 :
I just had a terrible vision, though, of you dancing like Kevin Bacon in Footloose.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m not sure I’m going to recover from this. John is correct, and Charlie will agree. It’s very much a similar thing growing up to the way that movie was, and I’m sorry to say, folks, but those of you that are involved on that side of the aisle and it’s and it is my side, but it’s a faction of my side of the aisle that frankly will not help us grow. It will not help us win elections. I have continued to hammer on that now for several years. The entire time Dave was there, I was even doing it prior to that because some of that started to surface even before that. The reality is that mentality will not change. The mix of red and blue in the state that I was mentioning a couple of segments ago down at the Statehouse, you’re not going to change that at all. In fact, it’ll get worse.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, I’ll end with this. Their ideal candidate, as they stated, is Ron Hanks. I’ll leave it at that.
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SPEAKER 08 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, we’re back. Short little segment here before we do our last ending commercial break here this hour. And we were talking through the break, Andy, Charlie, and I. You guys can’t hear these things. But the reality is, yes, it borderlines on a cult. And it’s why we even called the Davidians very cult-like for a very long time because you get involved in these things. And even Charlie mentioned it. When you step outside of that for any way, shape, or form, you’re ostracized. Okay, so the Davidians are all of those that really followed the Dave Williams end of things. So not only helped get him elected, but even called out people like Andy and I, total rhinos, because we go against some of the things Dave was doing.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, the rhino watchers, all those type of people.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s who he called the Davidians.
SPEAKER 10 :
All the people in that group are the Davidians. And by the way, why do we use the cult-like language? It’s very simple. Because they blindly follow really one person.
SPEAKER 08 :
Without looking at all of the other facts involved, right? Without being able to answer any questions raised about that. There’s no reason in it whatsoever. It’s simply blind faith, Andy. Yeah. And that’s the problem because you become very cultish when you start following blindly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. You and I follow Jesus, but we can answer questions that are raised about Jesus.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct. Correct. And here’s the other thing, too, before we go to our break. a problem because believe me I know I’ve been there been there done that Andy has Charlie has when you’re in it it’s hard to see that you’re in it right it really does take some other people coming along and or certain events or things happening to come along to where you start saying wait a minute What am I doing here? Why am I doing this? Right, because you believe you’re being brave, that you are a warrior for good. Right. And that feels so good. And then all of a sudden something happens and you’re like, well, wait a minute. If this is the way this is supposed to work, why am I doing this this way?
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All right, and again, as I said a moment ago, I think all of us, I can share with you when my wake-up call was. I think Charlie probably could. Andy had a wake-up call on the other side of the aisle. John from Cheyenne, I’m sure he could mention his wake-up call. Here’s my hope for a lot of those quote-unquote Davidians that are on that end of things, Andy, is at some point in time, they will also have a wake-up call and realize that, listen, what we’re doing is not the right thing to do. We’re not going to get people elected heading down this path. and at some point in time, we’ve got to turn things around. Otherwise, Colorado’s going to continue to just go more blue and blue and blue. We’re not purple. We are deep blue, and it will continue to go that way if we don’t make some significant changes. So with that, guys, that’s the end of Hour 1. Hour 2 is next. Don’t go anywhere. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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