Welcome to the Kim Monson Show podcast. Kim Monson is your host. Last month President Trump signed an Executive Order to “Make America’s Showers Great Again” by easing rules restricting water flow. Natural resources expert Greg Walcher shares his perspective on shower heads, water conservation, and water in the west. Co-Founder of United Sovereign Americans Harry Haury discusses the results of their recent Orange County, California Voter Study. Ramey Johnson shares details regarding the screening of the documentary Half-Life of Memory. Realtor Karen Levine comments on the spring residential real estate season. ————————————————————————————– The Kim Monson Show airs on
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I see big danger in as much as we will be giving an unelected bureaucrat the power to make rules about what we inject into our bodies.
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It seems like we were just here. But great show planned again for you, so fasten your seatbelts. Check out the website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter while you’re there. You will get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays that goes out on Sundays. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. The text line is 720-605-0647. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And my friends, it’s never compassionate nor altruistic. to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, their freedom, livelihood, opportunity, childhoods, or lives via force. And force could be a weapon, policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the World Economic Forum’s agenda, the globalist elite’s agenda, the United Nations plays out in the United Nations, this Colorado state legislature, and this Colorado governor, land use code, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, transmission line easements, CO2 pipeline easements, and that list is way too long. We’ve got to get that thing walked back. Remember, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. And on the show, we focus on the issues. I’ll talk about the people-pushing issues, but we really work to stay out of all this personality stuff that happens in life. I want to say thank you to the Harris family. for their goal sponsorship of the show. It is because of all of you and all my sponsors. We’re on the air. We’re an independent voice on an independent station. And we have full control, editorial control of what we do on the show. So thank you. There’s not a whole lot of independent broadcasters out there these days. Our word of the day is tyranny. It’s spelled T-Y-R-A-N-N-Y, and I thought it was appropriate. I got mixed up. I always did think that the legislature, the last day was on a Wednesday, but I had been saying it was on Tuesday. Well, it was on Wednesday. There were some other things that happened yesterday down at the statehouse, but this is a tyrannical, this is a legislature that is past things that are absolutely tyranny and tyranny is spelled t-y-r-a-n-n-y it could be unjust or oppressive government power number two a government in which a single ruler is vested with absolute power or lastly the office authority or jurisdiction of an absolute ruler now ruler doesn’t have to be one person i know the founders were very concerned about a monarchy but it can be It can be a group. It can be a bunch of PBIs that are pushing the same tyrannical ideas. And that’s what we have going on in America right now. And we truly are at a time of choosing of whether or not we will choose liberty or if we will continue down this road of tyranny. Our quote of the day is from Alexander Hamilton. He was born in 1755. He died in 1804. He was an American military officer, statesman, and founding father. He served as the first U.S. Secretary of the Treasury during the presidency of George Washington. And he said this, of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants. And again, that is Alexander Hamilton. A number of things out there in the news, but connecting some dots for you. And these elections in Colorado, we do not have the gold standard. We have two lawsuits that were filed before this last election, thanks to all of you. The money was raised for those lawsuits. The first is with the legal team of United Sovereign Americans, the team that they hired. And They’ve gone through all volunteers and taken a look at the Colorado election and determined that Colorado is not meeting the minimum standards as set forth by Congress for elections. Now, each state has a lot of power on how they do their elections, but Congress says there has to be some minimum standards and it’s a civil rights issue. And so that lawsuit was filed, and we’re going to be talking with Harry Howry in this hour, who’s one of the co-founders of United Sovereign Americans. So stay tuned on that. So that indicates that Colorado does not have the gold standard. Our second lawsuit with Peter Berninger with the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice, we went through, and he actually had to buy the – the voters list three different times because Secretary of State came back and said oh that’s old that’s not correct data so he ran it again as of election day it was a very targeted list and out of that targeted list 14,500 people voted in Colorado that should not have voted and so what that means is we can’t really trust our elections and then the next thing that we did and I’m going to connect all this here for you in just a moment is uh holly casen and sean smith and ash ep uh founded us actually it was ash and i think holly that founded it and sean came in a little bit after that us eip which was the u.s election integrity project and after the 2020 election They had all volunteers that just canvassed neighborhoods, knocked on doors, and said, hey, it says Joe Smith lives here. Does Joe Smith live here? It says Joe Smith voted. And they just canvassed it, and they did find irregularities. Two days before they were going to release their report, they were sued by the NAACP, the League of Women Voters, and Mi Familia Vota. and said that they accused them of intimidation and also something under the KKK piece of legislation. Well, they had to lawyer up, very expensive, and ended up that the plaintiffs had fabricated a witness and fabricated the story. And it was so much so that the judge said, basically said they didn’t even get to closing remarks for Ash and Sean and Holly. And as I’m sitting here thinking about this right now, I wonder if they didn’t even get to that because Sweeney didn’t want that information to be out. I don’t know. Anyway, the judge on this case is Judge Charlotte Sweeney. But she did not rule that the case was frivolous, which at the time, Holly, we had really connected a dot. But the thing was is Holly and Ash and Sean then made an appeal to have their legal fees paid for by these NGOs. that had brought this suit against them, which the defendants were victorious on that. Well, there was this little-known rule called, I guess it’s a Supreme Court decision, the Christiansburg decision that was from 1978 that said if an NGO sues but loses, the defendants still cannot get their legal fees paid for. So this has been a great tool in the toolbox for NGOs to just sue. And if they win, they win. And if they lose, they still win because they don’t have to pay the defendant’s legal fees. So Holly, Ash, and Sean are appealing that. They needed funding for that. And thanks again to all of you. And Holly Ash and Sean step forward and that appeal is filed and on its way. Well, connecting the dot on this, Judge Charlotte Sweeney is a radical activist judge. And getting her overturned as this goes up into the courts is a big deal. And so connecting the dot, though, she she says she’s a radical activist judge and connecting the dot now over here on the Daily Signal. She is the judge in the Elizabeth School District. And this is from the Daily Signal by Tyler O’Neill. And this was published yesterday. says a school board in Colorado cannot remove sexually explicit, profane, or transgender books from school libraries because the school board is conservative, according to a federal judge touted as the first openly lesbian judge west of the Mississippi. The ACLU’s Colorado chapter filed a suit on behalf of two minors, the NAACP Wyoming State Area Conference and the Authors Guild, claiming that the school district engaged in viewpoint discrimination when removing the books. The judge granted a preliminary injunction in March, forcing the Elizabeth School District in Elizabeth, Colorado, to restore the books. Judge Charlotte Sweeney second guessed the school district’s objections to the book’s contents, calling the objections pretextual and condemning the removals as partisan because school board members had discussed following their conservative convictions when debating the removal of the books. This is a really big deal that we have this judge that is ruling that we can keep pornographic books available to children in their school libraries. And I do not believe in book banning because I think that that is a really slippery slope. But what I do think is there should be parental control on whether or not these children have access to these books. I think that I, first of all, find it crazy that we would have adults that are insistent on having pornographic books in school libraries. And connecting that dot is kids see this stuff. They cannot unsee it. It starts to groom them for sexual stuff down the road. And that’s really the bottom line here. And my conservative value is that we conserve and preserve the idea of America and America’s big ideals. We don’t get down in the gutter on and all the carnal stuff. We want to look at big ideas. And so stay tuned on this. But it’s important to connect the dots that this is Judge Charlotte Sweeney and she’s a Biden appointee. And also the fact that we have this appeal. regarding her judgment with Holly, Ash, and Sean. This is all connected. And so just stay tuned. All of this is super, super important. And the show comes to you because of our sponsors. One of those is Hooters Restaurants. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Great specials for lunch and happy hour. And, of course, a great place to watch all the games. And also, he’s going to be in studio a little bit later, and that’s Roger Mangan. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And next Thursday, I will be out at the USMC Memorial Foundation Golf Tournament for lunch. And I would love to have you join us out there. If you’re not a golfer, come out for lunch. If you are a golfer, make sure that you go ahead and get signed up to play in the tournament. They do have a great hole-in-one prize of a brand new, I think, pickup vehicle. So be sure and check all that out by going to USMCMemorialFoundation.com. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is my friend, Rami Johnson. She is a former state legislator. She’s a former city councilwoman in Lakewood. And she ran for House District 30 and worked very diligently. I was very surprised that she was not victorious. In that particular race this last November, the person that is in that seat at this time, House District 30, is Rebecca Stewart. And Rebecca Stewart actually has her name as one of the prime sponsors on this House Bill 1312, which did make it out of the Senate yesterday and will be headed to the governor’s desk. And so we can see that elections really matter. Ramey Johnson, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. Thank you for having me. Well, absolutely. And you have a great, you care about your community, our state, our country, our world. But we’re going to talk about something right now that you and Walt have put together for this evening. And that is a screening of the documentary Half-Life of Memory. And we talked about it last week, but you said there’s, when we talked the other day, you said there’s significant interest in this.
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Oh, my, there really is. Well, first, we’ve had people taking flyers door to door, and they were not aware that there is a potential build-out at the federal center. That’s really in play here. Walt and I saw this movie a few months ago, and it’s actually about the contamination that was up at the Rocky Flats site. and Rockwell and all the things that happened regarding that. And one of the lessons about that was that there was really not openness and transparency with the community of what was actually going on. One of the FBI agents that is in the documentary, a letter that was given to him by Congress asking for his signature that he would not testify in front of Congress regarding everything that he knew. But he did not sign it, Kim. And he’s going to be with us tonight. There’s going to be a lady that worked up at Rocky Flats and knows firsthand the way that things were handled. But the lesson to learn is that the federal center is really following in the same footsteps as what happened at Rocky Flats. There’s very serious concern about the contamination up there, how much, what kind. It does not seem that enough testing has been done and that what is out there is actually not being made to the public. So the conversation tonight will start out with the movie. But I think we’re going to be transitioning very quickly into the federal center. There is one lady, Karen Gorday, that did a considerable amount of research about the federal center. And she’s going to be with us tonight. She’s going to be speaking out about everything that she found. And I’m excited. It looks like we’re going to have a full house. Yes, there’s a great deal of interest, Kim, and I just couldn’t be more thrilled that the community is learning about this. And I want to thank you for giving me an opportunity to get this on the air as well. Thanks, Kim.
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Well, absolutely. So can people do you think you still have room for people to attend tonight?
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Yes, there is still room and there’s no charge. Yes, please come. If you’re going to come, come as early as you possibly can. It starts at 630. The parking is limited, so you probably are going to have to park down the street and Whitlock Recreation Center is across the street and just down a little bit. We might be using their parking. But yes, please come. We’ve got 350 chairs, but there is considerable room to stand. And we’d have to have 800 people to violate the fire code. So I checked on that.
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Okay, good. So now this will be out at Rockley’s Event Center, correct? And that is in Lakewood. Yes, it’s at 8.
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555 West Colfax. It’s on the north side. It’s the site where the old Rockley Music Center was, or business.
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Okay, and Rockley’s is spelled R-O-C-K-L-E-Y-S, so it’s Rockley’s Event Center. Now, Ramey, the tickets, you would like people to get tickets on this, and when I’d just done a search on Eventbrite, they brought up some other things. So, my friends, it would be… Eventbrite, so E-V-E-N-T-B-R-I-T-E dot com forward slash E forward slash Half Life of Memory, a documentary. That should get you to the point where you can get your tickets. If people have trouble doing that, can they just attend or do they really need to have a ticket?
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No, just come. Just come. If there’s issues with that, it doesn’t matter. We were just trying to kind of keep track. of the count at this point. But please come. Many people are coming that just learned about it. You don’t have to go through that. And yes, just attend. We want you there.
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Okay. And what is the time when everything starts at 630, right? But you’d recommend to get there a little bit earlier.
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I’d recommend to get there at a quarter of six. The movie or the event really starts at 630, and I’m hoping to start the movie as close to that time as we can. Jeff Giffey, the producer, is in town just for this event. and he was at Rockley’s yesterday testing the equipment, so we are good to go, Kim.
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Awesome. Okay, so that is tonight, Thursday, May 8th. 6.30 is when it begins. Get there early at Rockley’s Event Center and 8555 West Colfax Avenue. Ramey, changing gears just a little bit, you also serve on the board of Colorado Union of Taxpayers, which it’s been quite a session. And of course, you have this experience that you bring to the table of being a former state legislator. But I think it’s really important that people understand these elections really matter because Rebecca Stewart had her name or has her name on this House Bill 1312, which basically takes away parental rights and really silences voices. And if you were in that seat, you would not have your name on a bill like that.
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Oh, my goodness. I wouldn’t support it, let alone be a sponsor of it. Rebecca does not have children. And I don’t know that she honestly understands what she’s doing. This is one of the most egregious bills I’ve ever seen in the last 25 years. And your word for the day tyranny is absolutely perfect. This bill should have been killed in the House committee the first day, Kim. And the idea that it has made it all the way through is unbelievable, really. Sure, they watered it down, but it’s still there and it should not have passed.
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Well, it should not have. And the other thing, though, Ramey, and being a member of CUT, we see how many bills were and resolutions that were introduced. And my understanding is we should mention that that resolution regarding Tabor to file a lawsuit, that did not make it all the way through. So we can breathe a sigh of relief at least until the next legislative session on that. But the volume of bills is unbelievable that we had to take a look at. And everyday people have no idea. And that’s why we really think we recommend that people become members of CUT so that you have access to our emails and know what’s going on.
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Oh, absolutely. And I wish that more people would join CUT. They would get the weekly update and they would really see for themselves what these bills are. What did you say it was a month, Kim, if they joined?
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It’s $2.08 a month. Yeah, we’re cheap dates, Kim. You know what we are? You have a free documentary that you’re doing, and then we do all this work for free. And as Corey said yesterday, and we pay our dues as well to do it. It’s pretty amazing. Yeah. But, you know, I think that’s part of the American idea is citizens stepping forward to become involved to protect liberty. So, Ramey Johnson, hopefully, well, I’ll see you tonight, and we’d love to have everybody join us. And, again, that starts at 630 out at Rockleys, Event Center 8555 West Colfax Avenue. Ramey, I’ll see you tonight, and thanks for everything.
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Thank you. You’re the best, Kim.
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Thanks. And it’s going to be a great evening. We’d love to have you out there. And all this happens because we have amazing sponsors. And so for everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it and another non-profit that i highlight regularly on the show is the center for american values It’s located in Pueblo, Colorado on the beautiful Riverwalk. And I’m planning, I’m gonna have some relatives in this summer, and I’m already planning my trip down there because I think that they would really, really enjoy the Portraits of Valor, which is over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients and their quotes. And so be sure and check out all that they do at the Center for American Values. That website is AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. And I am very excited about our next guest, and that is Harry Howery. He is one of the co-founders of United Sovereign Americans. And you all know United Sovereign Americans because we raised the money, all of you. Thank you. to file this lawsuit regarding, or one of the lawsuits regarding elections here in Colorado. And Harry’s been very busy. So Harry Howery, welcome to the show.
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Hi, Kim. Nice to be here.
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Well, it’s good to have you. And I’ve only had you once before. And so people don’t know you as well. So tell people a little bit about you. Okay.
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So I have a long history, longer than I care to remember sometimes, in a number of areas. But I’m an engineer by training. I have a fairly extensive background in mathematics, including statistics. Started off my career in the energy business, and it evolved over history. But in the early 1980s, I become involved in it. election matters in St. Louis County, Missouri. And during that history, I just coincidentally, it’s serendipity more than any intent on my part, but St. Louis County becomes a pivotal battleground for John Ashcroft’s political career, rising above the Missouri local politics to this initially two terms as governor. He was attorney general of Missouri before that. And then he becomes U.S. senator. And during that period of time, he becomes a legal advisor to G.W. Bush. We all know him as the attorney general of the United States during the Bush v. Gore. And obviously, Bush v. Gore was prior to Bush’s presidency, but Ashcroft is instrumental in advising him on Bush v. Gore. Like I said, it’s more serendipity than intent, but because of the history of St. Louis County politics, we were instrumental. I was treasurer of the Queenie Township Republican Organization in between my committee woman, Jan Clerich, and I would become instrumental in getting John to Ashcroft to win the primary, then were important in also getting him in his first term as governor. As a result, Queenie Township Republican Organization becomes a, and particularly my committee woman, becomes an important political contributor to his success. There’s other, you know, political issues associated with him being from Springfield and needing a base in St. Louis to actually be successful. So to fast forward to the year 2000, I’ve kept in touch with other people from Queenie Township Republican Organization, one of whom is now a somewhat infamous individual, Paul DiGregorio, who becomes the first chairman of the EAC, Election Assistance Commission, after they win Bush v. Gore, which I did some, you know, I call it casual consulting. I mean, I was the technology guy. I was a vice president or an officer at the local gas distribution, transmission, and exploration company here in St. Louis. And so They often came to me for advice about computers, and most specifically by the time of Bush v. Gore, I’ve gone out on my own in the software business, and we do high-volume, high-speed document scanning, mostly for banks. So after Bush v. Gore, they have made a commitment to do election reform, which becomes the Help America Vote Act, I’ve become one of many contributors to that effort with regard specifically to my technical experience in managing high volume scanning operations associated, you know, back in the time of that day, we still wrote primarily checks. You know, we weren’t doing PayPal and Zelle and all these different projects. In addition to that, I had provided technical consulting to Paul DeRogorio in St. Louis County, where he was the commissioner of elections for St. Louis County, which was at that time a deep red county. It’s no longer deep red. They’ve turned it blue. But the fact of the matter is that as a result of that experience and the workflow automation that we were doing, I do a lot of consulting when St. Louis County, pre-consulting, by the way, when St. Louis County is trying to implement certain electronic systems in the election. So fast forward to 2020, during the period between 2002 and 2020, I’ve started doing a lot of work for the federal government. My experience lent itself to cybersecurity work and automated workflow, and so we’re doing various work with the NSA and CIA and Department of Defense and the stand-up of DHS. I’m part of the group that’s trying to figure out a Northcom and Colorado Springs, actually, how to manage fusion efforts to try to get information shared between military intelligence and FBI and local police and whatnot. As we know, this all turns into a disaster because of overreach and abuse of these systems, particularly FISA and But the other problem is that slowly there was a mentality that since, you know, it starts taking hold in the military and the IC and, you know, federal government in general, that we can do all of this computing instead of using, you know, super secure systems, we would rely on off the shelf software. And this, this, as much as the FISA courts and the Patriot Act become a complete disaster for the country in terms of everybody’s privacy and whatnot becoming a secondary issue. And the security of the system is also becoming maybe a distant third or fourth issue in terms of priorities. So I actually get into conflict. I’m doing cybersecurity design for people like Sandia National Laboratories and Livermore and a variety of other programs I actually can’t talk about too extensively. But my company that I founded becomes a defense contract on cybersecurity in this period of time. It’s a long, long story, which you don’t necessarily have time on this program, but As a result, I end up leaving any kind of involvement with government work in 2019. I’m outside the country in the previous decade most of my time. And as a result, I come back and the country has completely changed. I mean, the decision to use cloud computing systems, the decision to drop rational security measures. All of these leave our country open to malicious security intrusions. And so I end up, for a variety of reasons, in front of the election in 2020 talking to people that become household names like Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and Garland Favarito and you know, all of the people that you hear about, Kurt Olson, other people, in terms of trying to explain to them, you know, the fabric of the Help America Vote Act and the cybersecurity implications of the way that the systems have been implemented. I actually enter testimony with Phil Klein and the Amistad Project in his Supreme Court filing. And then I’m involved in, you know, essentially repeating that on several other lawsuits that Phil Klein is involved in. And I’m very much, so I have a company now that does cybersecurity, cyber forensics investigations. We get involved after 2020 and things like the Connick arrest out of LA and We also get involved through the Amistad Project with the Beth Pate New York. One of the challenges, and I’m a cyber forensic investigator, we gather evidence for DHS and FBI and these people routinely. One of the problems in 2020 is that we have a lot of anecdotal observation, but in order to convince judges that there’s a real problem, concrete evidence. And I met Marley Hornick at the pit because I’m doing some technical cyber consulting for to the vote. You know, particularly with 2000 mules and the conic matter. But when I met Marley, I realized she had a great voice and philosophical consistency with regard to understanding the election matter from a constitutional perspective. And she and I founded United Sovereign Americans not too long after it took maybe four or five months for me to convince her that this was something to dedicate her life to. And we all know Marley very well. And she’s, you know, a miracle in progress with her ability to explain relatively difficult you know, logical and philosophical and constitutional efforts. But the two of us work together. I know the law pretty deeply for a non-lawyer, and I’m extremely experienced at structuring evidence. So what we did is set off on a course to change the narrative and change the way that we attack these election matters. And we’ve had a tremendous impact. I mean, you can watch our language in you know, it’s a little bit irritating sometimes that, you know, at Sovereign Americans, it’s not always acknowledged, but a lot of the mouthpieces in the election and legal fight that continue with or without our direct participation adopt our structural approach, which is evidence-based and, you know, changing the narratives to what, you know, election fraud is. And most lawyers, unfortunately, they have training in the word fraud that is not consistent with the way election fraud is defined and they often dismiss it you know the mainstream media takes up this you know traditional conceptualization of fraud and intent and all these things and that’s actually completely wrong with regard to election law and so um we’ve you know we’ve been in the fight we we approached uh you know 2024 with uh You know, putting a number of mandamus lawsuits out, including Colorado. You know what?
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Let’s stop right there and keep that as our cliffhanger. We’re going to go to break. I’m talking with Harry Howry, who is one of the co-founders of United Sovereign Americans. We will be right back.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. We are talking with Harry Howry. He is a co-founder of United Sovereign Americans. And he’s going to be talking about And, Harry, we just got to this Colorado lawsuit. So last summer, a neighbor said, Kim, I’m so concerned about Colorado. We’ve got to do something. And so we went to work on some things, and one of the things that we did is one of our listeners had reached out to me, who’s a member, a volunteer with United Sovereign Americans, said this all-volunteer group had uncovered some very troubling things regarding our Colorado election. They took it to the Secretary of State. She did nothing about it. They had no money for, because it’s all volunteers, to file a lawsuit. And I said, well, how much would it cost? And so we went to work and all of my listeners stepped forward and we raised the money for that lawsuit. And it was filed September 10th. And so just tell us a little bit about that. And then I also want to talk about what you guys have just done out there in Orange County.
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So as we go through our process, obviously the political landscape changes. So the mandamus lawsuits were oriented toward trying to force election officials to obey the law before the 2024 election. And so we certainly changed the narrative you know, because of the timing and whatnot, we didn’t have much success getting through the legal system, but we did put the arguments out there, you know, and the evidence. And we know that it had an effect, particularly in purple areas, in terms of mischief by election officials just disobeying the law broadly. So we are in the process, though, of adjusting our legal strategy according to the current political landscape. We have a DOJ now that’s being run by people that want to do the right thing that are not covering up massive election fraud as defined by the DOJ’s own guidance material. I’m not talking about the kinds of narratives that came out of the 2020 election. I’m talking about just detailed study of the state laws, the federal laws, in the voter participation records, the voter counts and obviously the voter rolls as well. So we are recrafting Colorado. We filed for a motion to allow us to amend the complaint. It’s only one of few of the mandamus lawsuits that we are maintaining because of the criticality of of a what’s going on in Colorado and the fact the position we are in with regard to the lawsuit affords us the opportunity to pivot more towards supporting a dovetail criminal referrals, which we’re working with nationwide right now, and also moving more towards civil rights enforcement, which is the basis upon which you know, all election law is built. So the critical criminal statutes are based off of Title 18, USC 241 and 242, which is a recognition that our right to an election is an actual civil right of U.S. citizens. So we’re attacking it on the civil side. We’re also helping various parties, including the administration, to look at some of the issues that should be included in executive orders. We’re actively talking to Congress and the Senate about considering legislative changes, which will be nearly impossible before 2026. And if we lose the House or the Senate in 2026, that will be completely impossible. But at least having public debate is an improvement. But we We are in the process of modifying the complaint. We have until July to get that modification done. We have attracted a number of very astute constitutional attorneys and criminal attorneys that are helping us craft these civil actions so that they dovetail with what we hope is soon DOJ-themed efforts. One of the reasons, I mean, I don’t talk about it much, but I have extreme concern about the actions of the executive branch in Colorado to prosecute Tina Peters. Obviously, I was not involved in that prosecution, but there are principles under law associated with whether or not somebody has a right to collect adversely evidence, even though the law might suggest that they don’t. And, you know, there’s a principle under equity that usually applies, but for some reason in Colorado, it didn’t. And, you know, we have a big mass associated with that. We obviously have a Secretary of State there that’s actively suppressing the law with regard to voter registration process. And we have evidence, you know, that they don’t seem to care for non-obvious reasons about enforcing the law, you know, on the books in Colorado regarding, you know, proper voter registration. Whenever we have investigated these issues, we call them the scorecard, the vote-watching report, and the election fraud report. We find massive violations of the law. That includes Colorado. But our most stunning report out of You know, recent report out of Orange County shows that one in five voters can’t be verified by any reasonable means. And does that mean all 20 percent are actual fraudsters? No, but it means that the secretary of state of California and the election officials in charge of Orange County are not bothering to verify voters either. And that’s their job. And they actually are committing election fraud, as defined by the DOJ. And obviously, there’s all sorts of nuances associated with this, but they are supposed to verify the voter. And that’s according to state law and federal. The Constitution requires people to be eligible U.S. citizens. And so there’s a few characteristics of that, your age, 18, and the fact that you’re a U.S. citizen. And so we see a stunning victory by America First Legal in Arizona. forcing them to remove illegal aliens. But it has to go much further than that because, you know, how are you going to do that? What are you verifying? Are you verifying their birth records? Are you verifying their passport? Are you verifying their Social Security number? The system is so fraught with error, we can’t. We know DHS has been issuing, you know, fraudulent Social Security numbers for years. You know, without any clear statutory authority to do so. So, you know, if we use just simple things, we’re not going to get through this morass. We actually have to determine that people are, A, real people. I mean, we have 2 million votes in 2020 that don’t have anybody listed associated with those votes as having voted. you know, most states have law that requires a linkage between the number of voters that are counted as having voted and the actual vote. It’s generally part of what’s called the reconciliation process. The governments everywhere, particularly, and I hate to say it, in red states or purple states, I’m sorry, in blue states and in purple states, tending blue, tend to ignore these laws. You know, hundreds of thousands of of mail-in ballots with no signature verification, even though the law requires it, mischief occurring in Georgia with regard to ballots that have no associated voter, evidence in many states of substitution of scans in the voter record. These things are demonstrably significant legal violations. And the people responsible for, let’s just call it lax administration of elections, have to be held responsible. And the reason they have to be held responsible is whether they’re actively involved in election fraud isn’t the material question. The question is whether we’re having fair, open, and honest elections. We see every year DOZENS OF PEOPLE PROSECUTED FOR ELECTION FRAUD, AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE ONLY CATCH ONE IN PROBABLY A THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT ARE CHEATING IN SOME WAY, MAYBE ONE OUT OF A MILLION. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE’S SOME STUDIES THAT SHOW PEOPLE THAT RECEIVE TWO BALLOTS VOTED ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO, BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T THINK THAT THERE WAS ANY PENALTY ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
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Well, Harry, we are out of time. We’ve got 30 seconds left. But I’m very pleased that we have our lawsuit filed because I think that it sets the stage as this administration is looking at elections in Colorado that says, no, no, no, we don’t have the gold standard here in Colorado. And I want to say again, Harry, thank you to all of our listeners who stepped forward to fund that lawsuit with you and your team there at United Sovereign Americans.
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We would like to thank them, too. And if you want to learn more, go to our website, unite the number for freedom dot com. And I appreciate the time.
SPEAKER 20 :
Absolutely. And that’s unite the number for freedom dot com. Thank you, Harry Howery.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you, Kim.
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And the quote of the end of the show is from Alexander Hamilton, Federalist number 33. He said this, if the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people whose creature it is must appeal to the standard they have formed. and take such measure to redress the injury done to the Constitution as may suggest prudence and justify. So, my friends, today be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation, and welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. That was quite a first hour, Producer Joe.
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Very important for Colorado. And that will be rebroadcast today, 1 to 2 in the afternoon. The show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. First hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. That’s on all KLZ platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And check out the website. That’s KimMunson.com. While you’re there, make sure you are signed up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. Text line, and I want to hear from you, is 720-605-0647. And thank you to all of you who contribute. to the show, to these projects that we are working to reclaim Colorado. And I so appreciate each and every one of you. We look at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we are focusing on these issues and the people that are pushing the issues, but staying out of all this personality fighting. It’s so important to… To stay to the issues, sometimes it takes some real mental discipline to do so. And there are times that we can get caught, be dragged into it, but we need to really work to stay focused on these issues. Our word of the day, I thought it was appropriate now that the Colorado State Legislature has got through this 2025 session, yesterday was the last day, is tyranny. And it’s spelled T-Y-R-A-N-N-Y. Definition number one is unjust or oppressive governmental power. Number two, a government in which a single ruler is vested with absolute power. Or number three, the office, authority, or jurisdiction of an absolute ruler. So it might not just be one person. I think right now in America we call it the deep state that is really pushing this tyranny upon all of us. And so, again, it should be super easy for you to use the word tyranny in a sentence today. Okay. Our quote of the day is from Alexander Hamilton, from Federalist No. 1, and he said this, “…of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants.” And so, again, that is Alexander Hamilton. Several things. I did mention it in the first hour, and that is that House Bill 1312, this terrible bill that is pushed forward. It’s a radical activist extremist transgender bill that will take away parental rights, try to silence voices. That did make it through the Senate and is headed to the governor’s desk. so what will happen once it gets on the governor’s desk he can do three things one he can sign it two he can veto it or three he can let it just sit there and if he he doesn’t do and sign it or veto it but it sits there with a certain amount of days i can’t remember what that is it will automatically then become law so it’s going to be very interesting to watch to see what uh what is happening down there And a person that watches things and was recognized in doing so is Karen Levine. She is a RE-MAX realtor, and she received an award for being an advocate for, I think, property rights, home ownership. Karen Levine, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. Am I getting that right? You did. You got that right. Okay.
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Good. Yes. Yes. Recognized by the Denver Metro Realtor Association. And that was quite an honor. So we will continue to work hard to protect private property rights and homeownership. And there’s some interesting conversations at Lakewood about limiting square footage of single family houses. and maybe any ownership units in response to having as many as you want unrelated family members in a property okay we talked about this elections really matter lakewood uh that city council is um uh
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Boy, I didn’t want to get you in a position where you have to make a comment on that. But once again, they want to take away freedom, right? Limiting?
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Well, and why don’t we allow the market to determine how big a house needs to be? I’m just – I continue to be a bit flabbergasted, I think is the word, that – we allow our representatives that we elected to take away our rights.
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And it is fascinating to me. Well, and that’s because we’ve been we’ve gotten fat and happy, and we quit paying attention to what was happening with these people that are getting into office. And we were assuming that they had our best interests in mind as American citizens. And we’re realizing that there are those that are getting elected that they just… want to take on power. But so let’s watch that. Karen, I embarrassed Lauren yesterday. And so I’m going to embarrass you today. And that and that is I received from a listener an email that I just thought was just it was so fantastic and I wanted to read that it said Kim just a note of thank you I recently consulted with Karen Levine and Lorne Levy on a residential real estate problem faced by my son and his wife They own a home which has painfully overextended them financially, and I asked Karen and Lauren to speak with them about a strategy going forward with a view of either selling the home or keeping it. Both Karen and Lauren got right on it, contacted my son and worked with him to set up a strategy to help him keep the home. I cannot tell you how helpful they were. Their input has helped my son and his bride to find a way to tighten their belts and keep their home, which is what they wanted to do if possible. As sponsors of your show, I just wanted to let you know about Karen and Lauren and their incredible professionalism. They help me and my family selflessly and with compassion. I am touched and thankful to have met them through your show and wanted to thank you for your efforts. Keep up the wonderful work you do every day.
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and I did call him and ask him if I could read that on the air but that is an amazing testament to the great work that you do Karen Levine well thank you and what a lovely way to start my day that was very touching and it was a situation that the goal was to be able to figure out how to keep them in their house because they worked hard to be able to buy that home and um So I am excited that we were able to give them some strategies. And hopefully down the road they’ll have friends and family that need help in real estate, and they’ll remember the good work Lauren and I hopefully did for them.
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Well, you definitely did. So if people wanted to reach you, what is that number?
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And it is a robust, from what I can see, there’s a product out there for people in the spring selling season. And so give you a call if you want to sell your home, buy a home, look at a new build, and I know that you can help them. And again, what’s that number? 303-877-7516. And that’s Karen Levine. We’ll talk with you next week. Sounds great. And, again, what a great testament to the amazing sponsors that I work with. And another great sponsor is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. If you bundle your insurance together, you might be able to save some money. You won’t know unless you talk with them. So give them a call and set up a complimentary appointment. That number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan Team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. And I do thank the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. They have been a sponsor of the show for many, many years and greatly appreciate them. And pleased to have on the line with me, Greg Walcher. And Greg is one of the most recognized and respected national leaders in natural resources policy. He is president of the Natural Resources Group, a member of several other firms, and he serves as a senior associate in a global public affairs firm, the Stilwell Group. Greg Walcher, welcome to the show. Good morning. Thanks. And also want to mention your book, Smoking Them Out, The Theft of the Environment and How to Take It Back. Really an important book, and people should have that on their bookshelf at home. And they can actually order it by going to your website, which is gregwalcher.com. So Greg, I wanted to get you on the show to talk about water. And recently, President Trump relaxed regulations regarding water flow on shower heads. He said he wanted to make America’s showers great again. And I love that because I’ve always looked at it as a liberty issue, a freedom issue. And I was speaking at a screening of A Climate Conversation, which I will mention that you were one of our podcast guests, and people can find that at climateconversation.com. And I was lauding this. I said, this is great. This is a freedom issue. And a woman came up to me and she said, we have got to conserve water. There’s not enough water in the West. We’ve got to conserve water. And I thought, huh, I really thought this was a freedom issue. And she was all about conservation. So I thought, I need to talk to Greg Walcher about this.
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Well, I appreciate it. And in fact, I agree with her and with you. There is a freedom issue involved, and we ought to conserve water. Water is very scarce in the West, more in Colorado than anywhere else in the West, in fact. And water conservation is second nature to Colorado, and so this state wrote the book on water conservation. We went to, in the farms in Colorado, went to gated pipes and drip water systems and concrete ditches and all of that decades before they did in California. So I’m all for water conservation, and I think we all have an obligation to do that. The question is whether it’s the business of the United States government, the federal government, to dictate it and to tell us what kind of dishwashers we can use and what kind of showerheads we can have and how much water is in our toilets and all of that. There is an issue about the proper role of government that most people just don’t consider.
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Okay, I love that, that you agree with both of us on this. My friend Yvonne Paez has said that you can’t have water conservation, though, without water storage. And so it also makes sense to me that in years where we have a lot of rain or a lot of snow melt, that we should be able to store that water for when we don’t have a rainy day.
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Yeah, water storage is absolutely critical to the whole conversation. The amount of snow that falls on the mountains, we can’t control. The amount of it that we store so that we can use it during dry periods, that we can control. And so that’s the reason why a complicated series of water laws has evolved in the West over a long period of time. It isn’t about regulating how much water we get. It’s about regulating how we go about using it. There are a couple of key… key things that people ought to just keep in mind. You know, we grow up in Colorado hearing about water all the time. Every politician wants to talk about water and so on. And a lot of people, I think people realize that it’s a big deal in the West, but they don’t really focus on why it’s such a big deal. Such a big deal that Colorado’s famous Congressman Wayne Aspinall once said that when you touch water in the West, you touch everything, which is true. People should think about, you know, you see pictures of the Earth taken from outer space, and it’s blue because of all the water. Ninety percent of the water on Earth is too salty to be available for human use. Five percent of it’s frozen in ice and glaciers. Three percent of it’s in clouds. I mean, literally, that leaves barely two percent of all the Earth’s water available for use by all the plants and animals and humans on Earth. And of that tiny amount, Almost all of it is in the giant river systems and lakes. Half of the fresh water on Earth is in one lake in Russia. And so the percentage of the Earth’s water that is in arid states west of the Mississippi River is not even measurable statistically. There’s virtually none of the Earth’s water here. And for Colorado, the issue is much more complex than that even because 80% of our water comes in the form of snow, mostly within about a four-month period. And all of that water flows out of the state. We don’t have any rivers flowing into Colorado. And so we have 5 million people in this state plus. There’s more than 100 million people in 14 other states who have legal rights to water that originates in Colorado. So we have, in fact, 10 of those states have interstate compacts that are binding on Colorado which require us to deliver more than half of our state’s water to other states. We don’t have enough storage capacity. You mentioned reservoirs. In all the combined reservoirs in Colorado, we don’t have enough storage capacity to store all the water that Colorado is entitled to under all of those agreements. And so even though we have so little water that’s available to us legally, we still lose every year much of Colorado’s water because of the inability to capture it during the wet periods and use it They’re in the dry periods. And the final nail in the coffin for Colorado is the cruel reality of nature, which is that 80% of that water falls west of the continental divide, where 80% of our people live east of it. So there’s never going to be a time in Colorado when we don’t have a drastic water problem. They can talk about how it’s different this year because of a drought if they want to, but it isn’t different this year. It’s this way every year. We always have a water problem in this state.
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Well, Greg, I remember, though, the enviros have stood against new water storage projects. And meanwhile, back at the ranch, we got politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties that have been welcoming all kinds of people to Colorado. And so those two things are going to be a problem. And so is there any chance we’re going to get any new water storage projects? um projects uh approved and i know it takes a long long time to do so and i think that’s by design and again i think the radical act enviro movement was very involved in that well that’s that’s right it is a long and complex process to to to get a project approved to store additional water there’s no question that we will do that at some point because we don’t have any choice
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So the question is, do we do it years and years and years later when it’s going to cost a lot more money, or do we be thinking about it now? The other thing is there’s a lot of ways you can store water short of building dams and giant reservoirs. There are a number of projects all over Colorado. In fact, the Colorado Water Plan that was adopted under Governor Hickenlooper talks about enlarging existing reservoirs. There’s a lot of places where you can do that, either by adding a few feet to the height of an existing dam or by dredging out all of the silt out of the bottom of the dam. There’s some examples of both around the state so that you can store additional water in already existing reservoirs where the politics have already been decided and battles already held and all of the legal fights and appeals were already done. And in fact, the existing reservoirs now are enormously popular. Many of them are tremendously popular recreational sites as well. So those fights have already been held, and it makes a lot of sense to add to existing storage. There are also places where you can store water underground and therefore eliminate any effect on fish and habitat and eliminate any evaporation problems. So there are lots of ways that you can store additional water, and we ought to be doing that.
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Why aren’t we, Greg Walcher?
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Well, there is a political will problem There is the issue of opposition that you talked about. In fact, the last serious reservoir built in Colorado, which is the Ruder Hess Reservoir that the Parker Water and Sanitation District built, took them 30 years to get it approved and finally done and exhausted the careers of several people. And I think a lot of the water officials in the state know that it’s long and drawn out and complicated, and they just don’t have the political will to take it on. For me, it’s like planting an oak tree, though. I don’t care how long it takes, but they say one of the great courageous things that a person could do is plant a tree that the shade from which he will never enjoy. I think the same may be true of water projects, but we need to get on with it.
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Well, and you talked about the water compacts, and we’ve talked about it before regarding the upper basin of the Colorado River and the states in the upper basin and those in the lower basin. And so required by law that a certain amount of water has to go down to these other states. And if you live in those states, you certainly want water. I get it. Why, though, can’t we renegotiate that? You mentioned the saltwater. California has a lot of people, and it’s got a lot of water on its west coast, and we know that we can desalinate water. Why couldn’t there be projects that could desalinate water for Californians, thereby reducing their demand for the water coming down the Colorado, which would help all the states upriver from that?
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Well, it can be done. In fact, there are countries all over the world that literally have hundreds of desalinization projects. Some countries, like Saudi Arabia, for example, get its entire domestic water supply that way. So when California says we’re waiting for the technology to catch up, it’s just disingenuous. The technology is there to do it now. Governor Gavin Newsom’s water plan for the state involves desalinization, but they’re not serious about it. The last The last time there was a major project to do that in California, they worked on it for 20 years. And then last year, the California Coastal Commission killed the project because of its potential effect on fish in the river, which is silly because the design of that project had no effect on fish, and the intake in the ocean was underground. So the reality is it’s just cheaper to take free water from the Colorado River than to spend several million dollars building a desalination plant. And so the only way that they will be forced into that is if the upper basin states insist on it. We ought to have, Coloradans ought to have, and California is not our enemy. They’re fellow Americans and it’s a beautiful state and we love that too. But the reality is Coloradans ought to have zero sympathy at all for California demanding and needing more water. They live As you suggested, they live on 800 miles of coastline on the largest body of water on Earth. So the idea that they need more Colorado River water is just stupid.
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I totally agree. And speaking of money, though, there’s been billions of dollars that have been spent on this high-speed railway that’s not built yet, and it’s basically kind of from nowhere to nowhere from what I can see. So there’s money out there. We just have to start to have the will to make money. good common sense decisions. We’re going to continue the discussion with Greg Walcher. But our Constitution is so important. And it’s pretty brilliant. And our Bill of Rights is so important. And I’m really pleased to have the Second Syndicate as a sponsor of the show.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And do check out the website for AmericanValueCenter.org. And that’s the website. It’s the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. And a couple of things there. Drew Dix, Medal of Honor recipient and co-founder of the Center, has started a new podcast series. And so you can subscribe for that there. And then also, recently, there was a great On Values presentation by Norma Donlan. She is the widow of Roger Donlan, who was the first Medal of Honor recipient from the Vietnam War. She was born in a Japanese internment camp here in America. And it was a fascinating presentation. And you can see that by going to the website, AmericanValueCenter.org. On the line with me is natural resources expert Greg Walcher and his book, I had everything right here in front of me, Smoking Them Out, The Theft of the Environment and How to Take It Back. And you can purchase that by going to gregwalcher.com. That’s G-R-E-G-W-A-L-C-H-E-R.com. And Greg Walcher, this came in on the text line. First thing is, is there’s no political will to solve these issues because the goal is to keep the conflict going with, ultimately, PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties controlling things instead of we the people. What’s your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I think there’s some truth in that political will is always an issue, but it’s bigger than that at the moment because there’s also politics on the wrong side of the issue. We have, at the moment, there’s a huge battle underway with the United States government, specifically the Bureau of Reclamation, over how they manage the dams and reservoirs and systems on the Colorado River, which all of Colorado is dependent on, not just those who live on the Colorado River. And the Bureau of Reclamation is trying to force Colorado to use less water that it’s entitled to under the compacts and to exercise… an authority it does not have under any law to demand anything of Colorado. You mentioned the upper basin and lower basin states. The upper basin states have their own interstate compact, which is a deal made among states and ratified by Congress and signed by the president. The Bureau of Reclamation has no authority at all to demand anything as far as how much water Colorado uses, and yet that’s the battle we’re in because so much of the federal government is under the influence of of California. We have eight congressmen and they have 40. So we’re always going to have to fight that battle. So it isn’t just political will in our own state of our own people to be vigilant about this. They also have to be willing to take on the federal government and fight the other states in the ways that Colorado has always had to do. But every generation has to do it again. It’s not a battle that just ends because we won it once.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, and you mentioned California, and this came in from our listeners, and she said this. She said, California has their own water derived from snow and rainfall, and yet they let that run out to sea, and then also said that California is destroying many of their dams and reservoirs. So your comments on those two things.
SPEAKER 09 :
Both true. When they had the big giant California fires, recently. They found several of the most important reservoirs in that vicinity had been drained already to supply water for salmon. That’s a decision that they made. And I wouldn’t question Californians’ ability to make its own decisions like that, but we weren’t consulted about it. And so when it comes around now this summer, they’re going to say, there’s a drought and our drought agreement’s expiring and therefore we need more water from Colorado to And Colorado ought to just draw a line in the sand and say no. You made the decision not to store your own water. You made the decision not to build desalination plants and use the largest body of water on Earth to supply your own water. We don’t have any obligation to give it to you, and we’re not going to. That’s the position Colorado ought to take. I don’t have much confidence that that’s the position the current government of Colorado will take, but it’s where we ought to be.
SPEAKER 20 :
I totally agree. And then it is unbelievable to me that they are blowing up or destroying dams that have provided water for farming and ranching and recreation up in Northern California.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, they tore down all four of the major dams on the Klamath River, which had created… one of the great agricultural zones in the West for more than a century. And a lot of historic farms and ranches are just dried up now. They made the decision. Somehow they’ve convinced people that dams are a threat to the environment, when in fact dams create environment. You know, Americans have done, we look at ourselves in the mirror and see the devil staring back at us in a way, because Americans are so self-critical. We’ve done more than any other nation in the history of the world to improve the environment. and to create habitat where there was none, particularly in arid places like western Colorado. But we don’t give ourselves credit for that. Instead, we look at everything that mankind has done as a mistake and a threat. There’s sort of an anti-people feel to it that’s very off-putting, at least to me.
SPEAKER 20 :
And that is what I have learned is this whole movement is really anti-human. And so next question, as we’ve talked about water in the West, water in Colorado, the metro area had been growing, although right now Denver, I think, is in decline. Yeah. Um, but, but water is an issue. And, uh, in fact, one of my, um, uh, my former producer, um, was a train guy and was down in Southern Colorado, uh, on one of the trains, uh, historic trains there and staying at an, um, bed and breakfast. And, um, so I was talking with the owner and the owner said, so where are you from? They said, oh, I’m up from Denver. She said, oh, okay. well, there were a couple of suits down here last week trying to buy our water. And I thought, huh, that is interesting. So what’s your thoughts about these metro areas trying to buy water from our farming and ranching communities?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that’s been going on for most of our lives, and people in farming and ranching communities are deeply concerned about it, distressed about it, in some places where they’ve dried out the entire area. There is… You know, there’s a critical mass in farming. If you’re the only one left, you can’t keep going because it also depends on the community and the others. And without that critical mass, there’s no implement dealer. There’s no feed store. There’s no cafe in town. The whole rest of the community in many places is dependent on it. So it is a serious issue, and you can’t really blame anybody. You can’t really blame farmers, many of whom have gotten old and their kids went off to college and moved to the city and have no interest in taking over the farm. And along comes somebody, you know, there are a lot of places where their water is worth more than their land. Someone comes along and offers them money they couldn’t hope to make farming. It’s a little hard to blame them. But I blame the water leaders in the metro area for not looking at other alternatives, particularly when we still don’t have enough storage facilities. to hold all the water they’re entitled to in any of the river basins, including the South Platte. So they can still store more of the water. But they look at the system we talked about earlier where it may take 30 years to get a water project built, whereas today you can go out and buy out some farm and transfer their water within a year. So I understand they take the path of least resistance, but that doesn’t make it right.
SPEAKER 20 :
And just think what this is going to do to our food supply. I’m concerned about that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, we should be. You know, agriculture takes a lot of energy and it takes a lot of water. And whenever the government wants to regulate either, people ought to be concerned about it. You talked at the very beginning of the show about showerheads. Same thing with the government trying to regulate what kind of dishwasher and refrigerator you can have and what kind of stove you can have in your kitchen. All that comes down to the government wanting to regulate our use of energy, just as an example. But almost every product that we buy of any kind takes energy either to run it or to make it. So how is that any different than government saying you can only have X amount of tomatoes per year and everybody can only eat one salad a week, or you can only have one pair of jeans and one pair of tennis shoes. All of that stuff involves energy. So why is that any different than regulating the energy that our dishwashers use? There is a point where people are going to have to say this is not an appropriate role for the federal government. And I think that’s where the current administration is headed. But as you well know, it’s going to be a huge fight.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and to that, I saw this headline. This was, I guess, yesterday. And it says, Trump plans to axe the decades-old Energy Star efficiency program. And I always thought that that was a bit coercive. And this is Newsweek that had this headline. What’s your thoughts about that?
SPEAKER 09 :
It is coercive. And it has a dramatic effect on the efficiency of home appliances. And as I said at the outset, I’m for conservation. I think people ought to be conscious of how much water they’re using in how long a shower and how much energy they’re using with what kind of dishwasher. I’m okay with people being very conscious of that. But for the federal government to spend millions and millions, tens of millions of dollars every year trying to regulate something that they have no legal authority to regulate, Congress has never passed a bill creating that program. That’s just a creation of the bureaucracy. So I think it’s inappropriate. I always thought so. And if they abolish the program, I’m going to be cheering.
SPEAKER 20 :
So, Greg, you mentioned proper role of government. And I served on city council 2012 to 2016. And we talk about that we’d like to have government as close to the individual as possible. True. However, even your city councilmen need to adhere by this vision of the proper role of government, the vision of the declaration that all men are created equal with rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. We had Karen Levine on, a REMAX realtor, right before you came on, and she said that Lakewood is wanting to regulate the amount of square footage of home ownership units. And I would challenge that that is not the proper role of government, whether or not it’s local or federal. What’s your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think all elected officials, all government officials, ought to be constantly aware and conscious about those founding fundamental principles of But there is a difference at the local level if somebody’s on the city council in Lakewood. The difference being they have to walk down Main Street the next day and face the voters whose lives they just affected with some decision. Bureaucrats in the Department of Energy in Washington have no such obligation. They never have to walk down Main Street and face anybody. They’re completely anonymous. No one knows who they are, which is why we’ve always said the government that’s closest to the people, the more local it can be, the better. So, you know, local governments make dumb decisions too. But when they do, they tend to get voted out of office for it if they overreach. Whereas in Washington, there’s so much less control over that. You can’t even find out the name of the person who decided some of this crazy stuff. So I want the federal government out of the business first. And then we can concentrate on what businesses the state ought to be in versus the local government.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. Greg, fascinating. And thank you for your perspective on this. Your final thought for our listeners.
SPEAKER 09 :
They should think about water more and more. It’s one of the hardest things that we face every year is keeping Coloradans up in arms about something that’s been going on all our lives. There’s a threat to our water. People just want to yawn and say, yeah, that’s been going on always, which is true. But we constantly have to say there is a new threat. There is a new thing, and we really are going to lose if we don’t fight it again.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, and that’s why we shed light on these subjects. And great conversation, Greg Walcher, and we’ll talk again very soon.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thanks. Good to be with you.
SPEAKER 20 :
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and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter and email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it And I want to hear from you, text line 720-605-0647. And we’ve got a lot of texts coming in, and I’m going to address those. Before we do that, though, my friend Paula Sarles is on the line. She is a Marine veteran. She’s a Gold Star wife, and she’s also the president of the USMC Memorial Foundation Association. doing important work to help us remember and honor those that have given their lives, been willing to give their lives for our liberty. The official USMC Memorial is right here in Golden, Colorado. Paula Sarles, welcome. Well, thanks for having me, Kim. And a big event next Thursday out at the Ridge Golf Course in Castle Rock, Castle Pines, down in that area. And you know what? I haven’t looked at the weather. Let me take a quick look at the weather and see what, of course, they never know for sure what’s going to be happening. It’s going to be beautiful. oh it looks like it’s going to be a right now they say it’s going to be a beautiful day so what a great great thing to do to get together um and uh golf a beautiful golf course meet some great people and support the usmc memorial so how’s things coming along regarding uh all the different um silent auction items and the hole-in-one uh competition um prizes everything is moving right along and uh
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We’re really excited to announce that two of our Iwo Jima friends who are 100 years old are going to be there for lunch that day. So I hope people might come out and say hi to them and have lunch with us. And you can register for that on our webpage at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. But Al Jennings and Jim Blaine will be there.
SPEAKER 20 :
Both amazing guys, really amazing guys. Paula, you had introduced me to all of them through Cooper’s Troopers. That’s where you and I met. Of course, you’ve introduced me to so many different people. At the time, there were six living Iwo Jima veterans going to Cooper’s Troopers. Jack Thurman just recently passed on. But I interviewed all of them, except Al would not say yes to an interview. No. And it took us a long time to finally get him to agree. And then I think he was so pleased with the interview. Every time I see him, he gives me a big hug, and I really appreciate you making all that happen.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, he’s a dear friend, and I have a hard time talking him into doing things, too, but Since he found out my nickname was the General, he does what I tell him to do.
SPEAKER 20 :
That’s great. That’s great. Now, one other thing, and I haven’t mentioned it much, and here we have Mother’s Day right around the corner, and then Father’s Day is in June, but a great gift. would be to buy a brick that will be on one of the pathways of service to honor your loved one’s military service. It’s a lovely gift to get a beautiful certificate. And I would highly recommend people do that because many times your loved one may be getting to an age, it’s like, what am I going to buy them? But I want to acknowledge how much I love them. Well, when I bought that brick from my father and he received the certificate, it was one of the most special gifts that I think I’d ever given him.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, and we’ve had donations of bricks from 26 states. And I just helped a lady in Minnesota get one for her grandfather. So they love the certificates when they get them. I’ve gotten several letters from people that say how beautiful they are. And it does, it means a lot to these veterans when they get them. It’s just a lovely gift, I think. And then it helps us keep going until we can get the remodel done and actually lay the bricks. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 20 :
It’s a nice memory until we get to that point. So, Paula Sarles, how can people sign up for the golf tournament, buy a brick? What’s the best way to make that happen?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, the place to start is on our website, usmcmemorialfoundation.org. There’s a red banner at the top for the golf tournament, or you can scroll down and there’s a logo for the golf tournament. And the silent auction is right there. There’s a red line that has click here for the silent auction. And we have some great things, a special cane made by one of our friends. That’s a collectible and some other really neat things, trips and stuff. So people would like to look at that. And then if you just scroll down, you can see the BioBERT program for donations.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
Really easy-peasy to follow.
SPEAKER 20 :
And that website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Paula Sarles, thank you so much. And I’m going to be very excited to be out there for lunch at the golf tournament.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, we’re excited to have you, and I know it’ll be a lot of fun.
SPEAKER 20 :
Definitely. Okay. And, again, that’s Paula Sarles, USMCMemorialFoundation.com. Wanted to get through some of these text messages, and the text line is 720-605-0647. And we heard this from Mary. And we’re in this battle of words. And she said, instead of calling those dams, we should call them biopools, the dams that are being destroyed on the Klamath River up in Northern California. And it just changed the definition. She said, biopools bring in diversity of plants and animals. We need to use language against the crazy climate crowd. She’s absolutely correct. Next thing from one of our listeners, two things. She said it should be called the appliance inefficiency program because you have to run the dishwasher twice to clean the dishes. Sometimes you have to flush the toity twice, three times. So actually probably in the end it uses more energy, more water. And she has an interesting point. She said, living in the same community does not seem to affect the local decisions on school boards or city councils. People cannot keep up with the meetings they hold. She’s absolutely right on that. There’s all these different boards and commissions that then you have electeds that can hide behind it. You have staff that is really controlling everything instead of elected representatives. We need to reclaim our government at our local county, at local and municipal and county levels as well. So hold on here. Oh, Joe, I need your help. I somehow got out of my text messages here. Oh, here we go. And okay, next thing. Let’s see here. We did these questions. Storing water for later use is similar to storing food for winter. It’s called wisdom. Absolutely correct. And then Yvonne said it was Mike Applegate, a legend in northern Colorado water conservation, who shared the quote that you cannot have water conservation without water storage. That’s from Yvonne. And I love this from Mark. Free market can actually make these decisions on conservation because people are already conscious of how much energy they use because they have to pay for electricity. But then that’s another reason why, Joe, you and I were talking during break that if PBIs can control water, food, and housing, and of course electricity, Add in energy and transportation. Well, and Eric sent this in much earlier in the show. It’s called slavery is what it is, right?
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Yes, ma’am. I absolutely agree.
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Okay, so let’s see here. What else? I think that’s it. And regarding Harry Howery, who was on in our elections, Ginny said this. This has shown us what links crooks will go to in order to still our voices. And Colorado, which was bright red, has been, you know, it’s moved so radical blue, it’s really hard to believe. And she said that Tina Peters gave us a look under the hood of what has been occurring. And now she’s in prison for nine years. Just go figure on all that. So that’s why those election lawsuits that we have with United Sovereign Americans and Wisconsin Center for Election Justice with Peter Bernager are so important. That’s why the money that was raised for the appeal for Holly Kaysen and Ashep and Sean Smith are so important. And it’s because of all of you, regular, everyday Coloradans. You looked at these things, you thought that they had merit, and you stepped forward and we raised the money to have those in place. I don’t know where it’s all going to end, but I do know that it’s going to make a big difference. And so thank you to all of you on that. And our quote for the end of the show, I went to Alexander Hamilton because I was using the word tyranny. Tyranny is the word of the day. And this is from Federalist number 33. And he said this, if the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people whose creature it is must appeal to the standard they have formed and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution and As the exigency may suggest and prudence justify, we are in a constitutional crisis at this particular point in time. People are starting to pay attention. There is so much chaos and confusion. It’s hard to know what’s going on. As Susan said, there’s so many boards and commissions at the local level, the county level. all these different pieces of legislation that were put forth in this legislative session. But we can do this, and that’s why we do this show. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate less and well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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