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Kim Monson opens the show with a powerful reflection on freedom versus force and dives straight into the expanding grip of government over Coloradans’ lives—from bloated property taxes and school bonds to burdensome environmental regulations. Joined by Dave Evans of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, the show exposes how layers of new legislation and unelected task forces are undermining Colorado’s prosperity. Later, Kim and energy leader Bob Boswell unpack Trump-era energy policy, the hypocrisy of green mandates amid surging data center demand, and the staggering costs of a $70 million school for just 250 students. Plus, mortgage expert Loren
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation, and welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Wednesday, Producer Joe. Happy Wednesday, Kim. And it’s been, I was traveling and you and Alan Thomas held down the fort and I greatly appreciate that and traveled back yesterday. It was one of those, the trip out was just peachy. Everything went just great. But the trip back to Denver was not peachy. Delays and just a whole bunch of stuff. So there’s part of it’s like, oh yeah, I like to fly. Oh yeah, I don’t. But it is good to be back here in Colorado. to engage in this fight that we’re fighting here in Colorado. So check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. While you’re there, make sure that you sign up for our weekly email newsletter. That way you will get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson.com. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity. by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it’s not compassionate nor altruistic to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunities, childhoods, or lives via force. And force can be a Fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, this agenda by the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites. And they’re pushing that out via the United Nations, this Colorado state legislature, this Colorado governor, land use codes, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, transmission lines, easements, CO2 pipeline easements. Remember, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And let’s see here. The show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And those platforms are KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, the KLZ app. And you can say, Alexa, play KLZ. And that will take care of that. Since it is Wednesday, that means it is Wings Day at Hooters restaurants. And you buy 20 wings, you get an additional 10 for free. That’s for to go or to dine in. And they have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Longtree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. And how I got to know them is a really important story about the proper role of government, capitalism, free markets, and PBIs, politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties trying to control our lives. So you can check all that out. at kimmunson.com under the Hooters tab. I have the whole story there. Our word of the day, thank you, Richard, is erudite. And it could be having or showing great knowledge or learning. A synonym could be learned. And it could be characterized by extensive reading or knowledge, well-instructed, and scholarly. And let’s see. I’m hoping that you’ll… How can I say this? That… Listening to the show, you’ll get an erudite perspective on these issues that we’re facing so that you can engage in the battle of ideas that’s raging particularly here in Colorado. Our quote of the day is from Albert Einstein. He was born in 1879. He died in 1955. He was a German-born theoretical physicist who’s best known for developing the theory of relativity. Einstein also made important contributions to quantum mechanics. His mass energy equivalence formula, which arises from special relativity, has been called the world’s most famous equation. And he received the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics. And he said this. I thought you guys might find this funny. This is Albert Einstein or attributed to him. Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Now, I kind of wonder if that was really him. I get this from AZ Quotes, but I did think that was rather funny. Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Let’s see here. The first headline that I wanted to get to, and we are seeing… not the proper role of government. The founders had wanted the federal government to have certain powers, but not too much power. And I think the income tax, when that was passed back in, gosh, was it 1914? Right around that time. That was when those progressive amendments were passed to the Constitution. That was the game changer. And it then allowed the federal government to get bigger and bigger. And then what happened was, is you had all of these, I’m going to say grifters, and you had all these different states that were going to the federal government for money. And I’ve never understood why we would send our money to the federal government, they take a cut, and then send it back to us, for example, in gas taxes, something like that. So what’s happened is government has gotten way out of control, and we have all of these different grifters that are looking to the federal government for money. So this is from just the news. And it says Denver Mayor Mike Johnston, a Democrat, laid some of the blame on the Trump administration for the municipality’s budget woes in a fiscal update, which was given last Thursday. And it says the city and county of Denver plans on hiring freezes and furloughs as it projects $250 million in revenue shortfalls over the next couple of years. Now, remember, all of this money that was used to, and I have this in air quotes, welcome people that have come to America illegally to Denver. So it says Denver Mayor Mike Johnston. Oh, hold on. It says the economic downturn and volatility brought on by President Trump is a major challenge facing Denver, Johnston said in a written statement. This uncertainty, coupled with declining revenues and significant growth in the cost of city government, right there, declining revenues, significant growth in the cost of city government over the past decade, requires to immediately address the city’s structural budget deficit while protecting essential services and positioning Denver for economic growth in 2026 and beyond. Says the city projects a $50 million revenue gap for the remainder of this year and a $200 million shortfall in 2026. Now, he thinks that higher taxes are going to be the answer. That’s not. Higher taxes will continue to push Denver into more and more decline. So Johnston then said this, he said, explain the growth of city government is unsustainable, nearly doubling in size over the last 12 years, while costs have increased 83% and revenue has grown by 75%, leaving an 8% difference. And I wonder if people’s income has gone up 75% in the last 12 years. He said it is not possible to support the level of growth and the quality of services required at this pace, he said. And he said the city’s going to move forward with revenue generating projects that aren’t drawn from the general fund. such as the National Western Center expansion and the National Women’s Soccer League stadium development. He says the furloughs will be tiered and from two to seven days, depending on city employees’ pay. The city’s hiring freeze will be in place until September 15th. And again, I would say that he needs to grow up and he needs to realize that he and the mayors before him have been making very poor decisions. And it’s not the proper role of government to be looking to the federal government for bailouts. And it was never supposed to be that way, to take money from neighbors to give to certain jurisdictions or to go into such debt that our children… Their futures are quite, you know, it’s questionable what that’s going to look like. So we’ve got to get the spending under control at the federal level. And we also have got to get the spending control, spending under control at all levels. This is the next thing. I found this. So as we all know, Democrat Senator Michael Bennett wants to run for governor. And this is from the New York Post. And it says Democrat Senator Michael Bennett is furious at his own party, says the brand doesn’t help anywhere. So you can see starting to position himself to run for governor. He’s been a senator all this time where the Colorado Democrat Party has been moving this way. And now that people are finally saying, you know what, we don’t really like this, he is trying to pivot and trying to distance himself from the decisions of the Colorado Democrats. But if you look at what the Colorado Democrats are doing here, this is what they would like to export across the nation. They’re just going to try to walk this back a little bit to try to get elected. But it goes on to say that Senator Michael Bennett, who’s vying for governor in 2026, voiced his astonishment at the Democrat Party’s failure to beat Donald Trump and heavily implied that the brand is toxic. He said, I don’t think nationally the Democrat brand helps very much anywhere. And when asked by CNN about his party standing. If it did, we wouldn’t have lost to Donald Trump twice. Well, he’s absolutely correct on that. And gosh, I tell you, there’s so much going on here. Colorado’s at the tip of the spear, as you know, I was traveling and watching from afar this article that I think Alan and Kevin talked about yesterday that in Colorado, that because of this new law, 1312, that they’re going to try to require Christian camps to have boys in girls’ spaces and girls could be in boys’ spaces is absolutely crazy. So do not pay attention to these Democrat politicians that are saying that, oh, they’re waking up surprised. This is the agenda they want to push down the throats of the country. and they’re just going to try to walk this back to get interviewed, or excuse me, to get elected. So all of these great points come to you because of our sponsors. We’ll be talking with him in the next hour. Well, actually, no, it’ll be this hour in segments three and four, and that is Bob Boswell. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And my friends, financial freedom starts with the right guide and Mint Financial Strategies is here to help. As an independent firm with over 25 years of experience and the credentials of an accredited investment fiduciary, they offer advice that’s focused on you, not a sales quota. Their strategy first approach is all about helping you live life on your terms. with clarity, confidence, and control. Call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080. They are your path to independent financial confidence. And on the line with me is Dave Evans. He is one of my fellow Colorado Union of Taxpayers board members. And welcome, Dave Evans.
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Well, thank you, Kim, and good morning to you. It’s a bright, beautiful day in Colorado.
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Well, it definitely is. It’s great to have you on the line. And I am so grateful to have you as basically a new member to the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. You came on this year and have been just a great asset. And I did want to say thank you to our fellow board members. That’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill. Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Remy Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onusorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And it was probably more than you anticipated, wasn’t it, Dave, as you really got into these bills to see what’s really going on down at the Statehouse?
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Well, yes, that’s true. It was a real eye-opener. It has been a real honor to serve on the board. What a wonderful bunch of people and so insightful. As I’ve written reviews of legislation, other people have written reviews and I look at that and I think, oh, wow, I didn’t think about that kind of thing. So it’s been an education and I sure appreciate it.
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Well, and we’d really love people to join us. It’s $25. You can join us at coloradotaxpayer.org. That’s $25 a year. It’s $2.08 a month. And we’re preparing to work on and get published our ratings report. And so stay tuned for that. But Dave, you had a particular insight and interest into things affecting building in Colorado. So let’s talk a little bit about that.
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Yeah, I’ve spent my entire career, over 40 years, in the construction industry, so it’s an area that I’m a little bit more attuned to than other areas. But I’ve noticed in a number of bills, and I looked at seven in particular, that they’re tending to increase costs to housing through additional regulations and fees. And there are additional or I should say incremental code additions that affect housing, but building construction in general. And these are increasing costs on commercial buildings, discouraging improvements, and so decreasing profitability and ultimately potentially affecting employment through, you know, the discouragement of businesses coming to Colorado. There were seven bills that I picked out, and I wanted to go over those briefly and one in a little bit more detail. But House Bill 1030 would have enacted a requirement that building codes throughout the state have accessibility standard as restrictive as the IBC. And a little background on that, the IBC, the International Building Code, is the predominant code used throughout the United States. And in recent years, they’ve incorporated a chapter on accessibility, which is basically just the ADA with just a few minor additions. And so areas that in the state that have not adopted the IBCs that have those provisions would now be required to do so, essentially. And of course, once you adopt the IBC, that sucks in a lot of other codes as well, like the energy code, for example. And there’s also House Bill 1198, which would have created a regional roundtable commission Cut said no on that. It would have been another board intruding into local government and private business. More spending, too, to operate this roundtable. But, of course, it passed. The previous one that I mentioned, I didn’t say, but it was enacted as well. House Bill 1245, heating, ventilating, and air conditioning improvements projects for schools. The goal would have been greater energy efficiency and lower emissions, but would have imposed a lot of costs on local schools from the state level and would have involved a lot of federal funding for that as well. That bill also passed. Senate Bill 002 would have enacted regional building codes for factory-built structures. In other words, modular housing as well as for commercial purposes. At present, modular buildings… are governed by a national code and they have provisions for different climates, such as, such as ours versus a warm climate. Um, and, um, but, but the legislators decided that they really ought to have their own code. So what this is going to do is it’s going to impose on the, on the manufacturers of these buildings, a unique code, um, which is going to require that units coming to Colorado have special, have to meet special requirements. And so guess what? That’s going to make it more expensive. That’ll affect housing costs, of course, as well as commercial costs where those are used for, you know, like site offices and so forth. Wow. Senate bill 141, another one that, that we reviewed. It would have exempted small municipal governments from energy code requirements. We liked that bill and we said yes to it. But of course, a good bill like that got killed in committee. Yes, Senate Bill 307, decarbonization tax credits administrative cash fund. We said no to that. That would have been a lot of excessive diversion of severance tax revenue for the purpose of decarbonization. This was a very confusing bill. It would have had a lot of transfers of funds from various accounts. There was even one large transfer that, if memory serves, I think it was $30 million that It would have transferred out of one fund in June and then back into the fund in January. I couldn’t figure out what was going on. I think it must be just accounting tricks to make things look good. And that passed. And then the final bill that I. Yeah. The final bill. that I wanted to talk about was House Bill 1269, entitled Building Decarbonization Measures. Cut voted no on that one. The purpose would have been to require building owners to reduce energy usage. And we’re talking about existing buildings. And it would have imposed large fines on building owners that did not meet those requirements. This bill was enacted, unfortunately. It does apply only to large commercial and large residential properties. And that application occurs when the building undergoes a renovation of over $500,000 or 25% of gross floor area. So my guess is that most building owners are going to not do renovations or they’re going to make darn sure that they’re under $500,000. So it’s going to be very restrictive on building owners making improvements. It will impose a $400 annual fee. That will be inflated as time goes. And notice that’s a fee. It’s not a tax. And so those funds are taper exempt. It requires a $3 million appropriation and the board is authorized to issue revenue bonds. So that puts the state at greater financial risk. They will use that funding to offer financing and technical assistance to building owners. I guess that’s a good thing, but of course it comes with interest applied to the building owners. The task force would be set up to run this thing, um, unelected governor appointed. They would set goals. They would, uh, determine feasibility of owner upgrades. Um, they would set specific building performance targets. So these would be set on a building by building basis, which sounds good, but it’s open to, you know, interpretation and it’s open to, um, graft and corruption. individualized compliance methods. So, you know, they could ultimately offer favor to their, you know, preferred people and clamp down on others. The bench date for comparative energy consumption for each of these buildings was determined to be May 2019. So as As a building owner would look at making improvements, he would have to compare the expected energy consumption with that which was in 2019. That’s what that means. They would be authorized to issue grants to building owners for this, another avenue for graft and corruption. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and big penalties for noncompliance, if you have a first violation, it would be $500 plus $2,300 per month before you get the problem solved. And if there’s a subsequent violation, it would go to $5,800 per month. So that’s a lot of money for a building owner to be paying out at the same time that his building may not even be occupied.
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Exemption. Yeah, go ahead. No. What’s the exemption? I was going to say there’s an interesting exemption for meeting wildfire resiliency code. I’m not sure why that’s in there, but they put it in there. Um, safety clause. So it happens immediately. Um, and I was going to mention that the sponsors were in entirely in the democratic party. And, um, We’re supposed to be a nonpartisan group, and so I can’t say that the Democrats were behind all these bills. But just a word to the wise there.
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Dave Evans, this is so informative. And what this means is, and I think to boil this down, is that this is not business-friendly whatsoever. But it also, as you mentioned, it is open to grift. And that is that everybody has to pay these fees in, and then an unelected task force is going to determine who might get these grants. And it could be selective enforcement agencies. This is the opposite of what is supposed to happen in America. And so much happened down at the Statehouse that people don’t have any idea. But I appreciate you really drilling down on these things that affect building because this affects the prosperity of Colorado. So I so appreciate it. Thank you, Dave Evans. And it is so great to have you as a fellow volunteer board member at the Colorado Union of Taxpayers.
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Well, you’re welcome, Kim. And again, it’s been my pleasure and it’s been a real education for me too.
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And we’d recommend that you have a cut in your toolbox. So join us at coloradotaxpayer.org. Thank you, Dave Evans. And all of these discussions happen because of our sponsors. For everything residential real estate, you want to make sure that you have Karen Levine on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Father’s Day is right around the corner, and a great gift to honor your father or your husband’s military service would be to buy a brick that will be on the pathways of service at the USMC Memorial as they are doing their remodel. And you can get more information about doing that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Pleased to have on the line with me Bob Boswell. He is the CEO of Laramie Energy and a great sponsor of the show and wanted to talk about energy policy and Trump. So welcome, Bob Boswell.
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Good morning, Kim.
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Well, I’m hoping that we have lots of good news regarding reliable, efficient, affordable and abundant energy here in America. So what’s going on with Trump and oil, natural gas and coal?
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Well, improvements. Slow. They’ll be slow, but the rate of change that President Trump and our Energy Secretary Chris Wright from Colorado are attempting to implement is much faster than any other administration in terms of policy changes. And, you know, what President Trump and and Secretary Wright are attempting to do is to open back up federal lands for leasing for development. They were literally shut down under Biden to the largest degree. They are also changing regulations at the federal level where they can to improve the ability to develop these minerals and both on the oil and gas side and on the mineral side. So it’s an opening up of these resources for development in America so that we aren’t as dependent upon outside sources, particularly when you look at sources of minerals for development, lithium batteries, et cetera, transistors. We’re going to start developing these. Basic mineral is more in the U.S. than we have in a long time. So a lot of good things going on a number of fronts. The problem or the issue we have in Colorado is that the governor is putting on a mandate that we eliminate fossil fuels by a certain point in time, which is not realistic, trying to follow the California pattern, which I believe is now the Supreme Court has found is a – uh, a illegal type of mandate. Uh, and I think that will filter down into the Colorado side. So good news on the Colorado front at the federal level, we still have issues, um, on the, uh, call it on the Colorado, the state side, um, uh, we’re having, uh, piled on regulations and fees. Um, you know, I think to get around the Tabor act, the, uh, The state is now doing enterprise fees. We’ve had some, I think, over 20 enterprise fees, which are really taxes implemented, and it’s affecting business in Colorado to the detriment of Colorado to a large extent simply by going around the Tabor Act legislatively because the Democrats control both the House and the Senate. of the legislature in Colorado.
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Well, and Bob, I have this volunteer gig as president of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, and I think Coloradans have no idea the amount of legislation which is being passed. There was over 733 bills and resolutions that were introduced this last legislative session. And there are multiple pieces of legislation that are passed that are just trying to undercut reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy sources from oil, natural gas, and coal. And the other thing that’s interesting, though, is that these Democrats that want to prevent us from having this reliable, efficient, affordable, abundant energy sources seem to be all in on these data centers and providing power for that. What’s your thoughts on that?
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Well, I think it’s idiotic that they are trying to promote data centers and then at the same time trying to change the sources of energy. There is a coming wave of artificial intelligence that’s going to greatly impact society worldwide in as early as the next 10 years. And these data centers, which run the AI, the artificial intelligence, consume huge amounts of power. The state of Colorado is probably the sixth largest provider of oil and natural gas in the country, and we have a government that’s trying to stifle that and at the same time try to advocate for data centers. So it’s a complete juxtaposition of what could be done on the policy front. The data centers need clean, reliable, affordable energy. That does not come from renewables. The best technology on the horizon will be nuclear. But nuclear today, given it takes 17 years generally to get nuclear power plants authorized, and hopefully that will change under the Trump administration, is not going to be effective to a great degree over the next 10 years. So we’re going to need to depend upon coal, natural gas, and oil as the sources of energy for these huge data centers. And I don’t know that we fully understand the impact of the data center and artificial intelligence. It will have great advantages, but it will also have some great risks as these computers now, and they can now learn from themselves and they can generate ideas. People can use them, um, positively or negatively. There’s a lot of disinformation that has been put out and a lot of it generated more recently from images of people and places and things. There are total fabrications. There are projected images from data that can make a The picture of President Trump, you know, throwing fireballs off a roof look as though it’s real just simply because of the power of this artificial intelligence. So it’s a. It’s a coming wave. It’s here. It’s global. We have the leadership and the technical innovation capacity to really almost dominate this worldwide, but it needs to be used positively. Technology is power, and political utilization of it can be a positive or a negative, and it’s something we’ve got to be very – very cognizant of, manage well, that the demands for power are going to be significant and the best sources of clean, reliable are our traditional fossil fuels.
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Well, and Bob, it’s so frustrating, the discounting of the prosperity of everyday people. And, gosh, to be able to control our climates, to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And in the old days, and I know Chris Wright has talked about energy poverty, that bringing people out of energy poverty so women in third world countries, much of their day might be used just to find fuel to burn. so that they can warm their huts and cook. And so it seems like there are those that want to push everyday Americans back to third world country status instead of looking at third world countries and wanting to reduce their energy poverty and help their prosperity because reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy helps people thrive and prosper. And that is something that’s really difficult to match up is those that would not want to get people out of energy poverty but push us into energy poverty.
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Well, again, I think technology is power. Secretary Wright has written extensively on bettering human lives, and the foundation, the base of that is providing clean, reliable energy. And he’s shown that to be so important in bringing these different areas of the world out of poverty. And the We have made progress over the years, but there’s so much more opportunity, particularly with 8 billion people or so on this planet at this point in time. To be able to bring them the conveniences of modern living and to uplift them out of poverty is a noble objective and something that we should be leaders on. As I’ve said, policy we can use for good or can be used for bad. And I think some of these policies that have been put in, you know, trying to limit the development of energy worldwide has worked. has been negative as opposed to positive. And a lot of it manifests itself in the central government or trying to control. And they have the power to make things better or to try to control by keeping things in status quo.
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Well, and that’s why this attack upon really everyday people’s prosperity, particularly through energy and making it more expensive for us to access energy to fuel our lives, has been an important thing to shed light on. We’re going to continue the discussion with Bob Boswell, but I did want to mention the Center for American Values today at 4 o’clock down at the center in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. There will be an On Values presentation, which will be most interesting, regarding J.E. Chostner. And he is a Pueblo native. He is a veteran and also either former DA or DA. And he’s going to be talking about military service and how that helps him with his everyday life now. And so for more information on that, go to AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. And then regarding anything mortgages, you want to reach out to Lauren Levy.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. The text line is 720-605-0647 and do want to hear from you. And I thank Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it’s reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams and empowers us to change our own personal climate. So, Bob Boswell, you and I both realize that elections really have consequences. And the fact that Donald Trump’s been elected and is in office and is making these improvements for our oil, natural gas and coal industries, it takes time. But yet you can’t just turn a switch on elections. oil and gas exploration. So opening up these federal lands is exciting. However, I’ve got to think as, you know, regarding exploration and development, you want to make sure that you have some assurances that in four years or three years, things are not going to change. So talk to me a
SPEAKER 11 :
These policies, when implemented, both those that promote development and those that try to inhibit it, are different. To start up and put policies in that expand leasing and expedite permitting, those are positives, but it takes time to react to start up the actual development. However, the shutting down, the changing of those policies to stop leasing and to try to stop permitting, those can be almost immediate. So it’s important that we continue to have constructive policy at the federal level and the state level. You know, we’ve been able to. do things in a short while at the federal level to take away some of the, to open up leasing. And they’ll have to come up with a set of policies in each area. But 70% of the lands in the West, including Colorado, are federal. And those will take time. And then they are also needing to expedite permitting, and there’s state and federal laws, and the state levels in Colorado are more prohibitive than the federal. So those will take times to work through. But one of the things they’ve done is they’re accelerating the phase-out of the clean energy spending, the inflation reduction acts, which was simply to promote solar and wind and to degree a little bit of geothermal and hydrogen. which are much more expensive type of energy supplies. But they’re taking some of those incentives away, which are going to save some $560 billion, over half a trillion dollars over the next decade. So they’re taking away some of these inconsistent incentives to develop unreliable power. which will, I think, direct more towards the development of our more reliable and consistent types of fuels, such as oil and gas. You know, in the state of Colorado, as an example, Kim, we operate in a little community called Colburn in western Colorado, and the state is now wanting to build a new school. And this is the town… a community that has a couple thousand people in the district. They’re wanting to take an existing school, and they’re already doing it, and they dedicate some $70 million to build this school, which is much nicer than the prefabs I went to, into a new, more modern facility. And there’s only 250 students that go to this school, but they’re spending $70 million. In this area, Laramie Energy provides 70% of the tax revenue to support the schools and other elements in this community. They are putting in rules and regulations that make the production of our oil and gas in this area more expensive. And that more expensive will mean less revenues that go towards the payment of these taxes. And we’ve worked with a couple of different groups to see what does this cost and what’s the impact on the community. And to the extent we don’t continue to build, it’ll raise the property taxes of these predominantly farmers and ranchers in this area by four times. You know, totally a misguided policy, misuse of state funds with good intention, but without the reality of the this small community and its capabilities and actual needs.
SPEAKER 17 :
So did you say they want to build a $70 million school for 250 students?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes. I mean, they are doing that right now. And the community didn’t realize what this meant. They didn’t realize the impact on their taxes. But it was approved. The state is contributing money. $40 million in building funds for this. The community has to support $30 million, but $70 million. That’s $40 million of taxpayer dollars going to supplement an area that there’s only 250 students in the whole school. $70 million. That’s $280,000 per student.
SPEAKER 17 :
This is crazy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it is crazy.
SPEAKER 17 :
So did the people of this community vote yes on this to make this happen?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, but they didn’t realize what it meant. And they didn’t realize that these are bogs that are being put out there and the money has to be paid back. I mean, it was totally just this is a great idea. The state’s going to put $40 million into this. uh, the school. And, uh, we’ve got this advisory to the state that’s coming up with this plan to build this, uh, and improve this facility that’s in existence there, but $70 million. And we’ve talked to the community. They’re now understanding that, uh, you know, they, I, you know, they’re at a point in our return because it’s, it’s under construction. Uh, but, uh, that’s the type of thing that, um, is going on at the state level, and it just further suppresses the profitability of these farms and ranches, predominantly agriculture in the area.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and that just brings up a whole other issue that we talk about regularly on the show, and that is property taxes. And if property taxes, you said, if that goes up four times, that makes it more difficult for our farmers and ranchers to operate, which that affects our food supply. And we talk on a regular basis about the people that feed and fuel us. These are the things that we’ve taken for granted. There’s an affordable and abundant food supply and reliable and affordable energy. All these things are under attack. And people are going to have to really… start to look at the consequences of these elections. That’s for sure. Bob Boswell, we have about a minute left. I always learn so much. I think that on a federal level, national level, that the radical Democrats are going to try to put sand in the gears to slow everything down that Trump is going to try to get accomplished. He doesn’t seem like he’s taken his foot off the pedal. So I’m optimistic about that. What’s your thoughts?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I’m optimistic. I look at his cabinet and the appointees. Our own Chris Wright is now Secretary of Energy, and he’s an MIT scholar. He’s a brilliant mind. He’s run several different companies very successfully, and he’s, I think, indicative of the cabinet that the president’s appointed. So you’ve got some people who understand business, understand finance, uh, humanity, they understand, uh, policy. And, uh, so I’m, I’m very, very optimistic on that front. I’m disappointed on the democratic side. I’m disappointed in our, you know, Senator Hickenlooper comes out attacking these policies, uh, just using the typical democratic rhetoric. Uh, you know, I’m, I understand now that, you know, our Senator Bennett’s going to come back and run for governor. I hope it’s not a continuation of the poor policies that have been implemented under the Polis regime, and I hope we get more balance in the state. I think whether you’re a Democrat or Republican, you want good balance, and you don’t want the extreme polarization that we have today at both the federal level and the state level. We need leaders that want to work together that aren’t looking at just their own personal interests and but are looking at what is best for the state and for the country.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. Bob Boswell, thank you so much. We’ll talk with you next month. And, my friends, we will be back for hour number two. God bless you, and God bless America.
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SPEAKER 17 :
Indeed, let’s have a conversation, and welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team that I get to work with. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Wednesday, Producer Joe. Happy Wednesday, Kim. And that was a super informative hour number one with Bob Boswell with Laramie Energy. And you can hear that today, 1 to 2 in the afternoon. This hour, second hour, is rebroadcast 10 to 11 at night. And the show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. Live. And let’s see, that’s on all of our platforms. KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, the KLZ app. And you can say Alexa, play KLZ as well. And check out the website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And make sure that you’re signed up for our weekly email newsletter. You can do that at the website. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com. Text line is 720-605-0647. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea. Shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And force comes in a whole bunch of different ways and packages. Our word of the day is erudite. And it is spelled E-R-U-D-I-T-E. Thank you, Richard, for your suggestion. Could be having or showing great knowledge or learning. Synonym could be learned. It could be characterized by extensive reading or knowledge and scholarly. And I would say that the founders were very erudite as they were sitting down to work on this Declaration of Independence article. our independence as well as our constitution. And we’ll talk with Trent Luce today regarding how can we fund a government without property taxes? And what is the proper role of government? So you will want to stay tuned on that. Our quote of the day is from Albert Einstein. And I typically will get these quotes from A to Z quotes. And I am wondering if he really said this, but I thought it was, it’s attributed to him. And Albert Einstein was born in 1879, died in 1955. He was a German-born theoretical physicist who’s best known for developing the theory of relativity. But he said this, or attributed to have said this, artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. And, you know, that’s one of the things that we I think it became politically incorrect to call things stupid. But I’m sorry about this little town. And it’s not just you. It was all of these different school bonds that were passed. But my friends have this little town in western Colorado. Build a $70 million school building. And the state’s going to put in $40 million, so that’s all of us. The community, $30 million, but their property taxes are going to go up. That’s $280,000 per student. And so many of our students cannot read and write and do arithmetic. And what used to happen out on the plains of Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, these little one- and two-room schoolhouses, these young people could solve stuff. They could read. They understood things. And if you don’t believe me, do a quick web search on Saline County, Kansas, 8th grade exam from 1895. And that was what was occurring in a little two-room schoolhouse, not a $70 million schoolhouse. And we’ve got to get a little bit smarter on these taxes, my friend, and we will be shedding more and more light on all of that on a regular basis. And, um, regarding, regarding, um, mortgages, interest rates, Lauren Levy is an expert and he works with a number of different companies, which is great because that’s, that’s all kinds of choice. And he can help you in 49 of the 50 States, just not New York. So all kinds of choice. And I’m so pleased to have him as a sponsor of the show. Lauren Levy. Welcome.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and what’s the latest? What do we need to know?
SPEAKER 06 :
So, you know, we’ve been in this range, basically what I would call a news-driven range here for a little bit with – that you and I have spoken about quite a bit lately with the tariffs primarily being the driver of, you know, when there’s a possibility like recently we saw of increased tariffs on the European Union. you know, the 10-year yield went up and then there was a pause on that and the 10-year yield came down. So rates have kind of been just kind of gyrating up and down a little bit based on the news, but they’re definitely on the higher end of where they’ve been. You know, so we’re looking at, you know, just shy of the seven range or just over it, depending on the loan and the credit score and things like that. Having said that, there is a way more inventory on the market, a lot more houses for sale this time of year, a lot more choice. So there is activity in our If people are looking to move, there is opportunities for them and options. So we’re trying to do our best just to stay in touch with our people that we have out looking that have been pre-qualified to let them stay current on the rates so that they’re prepared when they do find that home.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, Lorne, I was so concerned when there was no inventory, and now should I be concerned that there’s a lot of inventory regarding housing?
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t know about so concerned. I mean, you need inventory to have a balance, right? In a perfect world, it’s not a seller’s market or a buyer’s market. It’s just a free market, right? And so you need a balance, which is getting closer. We’re not there yet. But when there was no inventory, it’s a straight seller’s market, and the prices just keep getting bid up on multiple bids, and that can lead to a situation. Here, at least, we have more inventory, more choice. But you are also seeing some houses that maybe aren’t exactly priced properly or sellers are still thinking it’s six months ago. where they’re having to reduce their price, you know, as they don’t get offers. So that’s how things get back into balance. And over time, we’ve seen, shoot, over the last 20 years I’ve been, or 25 years I’ve been in this business, I’ve seen a seller’s market, I’ve seen buyer’s market, then I’ve seen seller’s market. So things tend to go, you know, they kind of go in waves, and we’ll just see where it goes.
SPEAKER 17 :
So there’s many people that have thought that homeownership was out of reach. And, of course, we see from a public policy standpoint here in Colorado the favorable regulations, favorable permitting, favorable interest rates for rental units, hence these regulations. four- and five-story rental buildings up and down the corridor, transit corridor, because policymakers, that’s what they envision people should do is live in these apartment buildings and ride around on trains and buses and bicycles. But people, I think for those that want, and if you want that lifestyle, that’s great, but it shouldn’t be coerced. It shouldn’t be forced. And it shouldn’t be using public policy to make homeownership more expensive. So I think that the increased inventory should be great for people that want to try to get out of rental units and into homes, yes?
SPEAKER 06 :
I agree because there’s just more choice. And when, and when that happens, there’s an opportunity there because you can come in as a buyer and potentially get it for, you know, a little bit better of a price that might fit your budget better. It’s funny. I think of you all the time in the conversations we have came because I was watching something yesterday about the city of Lakewood and how they approved a 400 unit apartment building somewhere where there was a lot of back and forth with the public. And it’s like another 400 unit apartment complex, you know? Um, Just just what’s needed. So you’re right. And, you know, but you’re not going to make any money unless you own the apartment complex, you know, renting. But that might fit your need if you’re if you’re transitory or, you know, on the move or not sure where you want to be. But everyone I know that’s ever owned a home. for more than a very brief period of time has made a good return on that home. So I’m with you. I think it’s a great way to develop wealth, and if you can afford it, I think you need to have a conversation with someone like myself and my team. Make sure you’re getting into something you can afford and doing it right. But if you can, I would always recommend homeownership at some level.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and there are creative ways for families, for parents to help kids get into that first home as well, yes? Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. There’s gifting, there’s co-signing, there’s a lot of different ways to do it. And on top of that, as the market turns and if the prices start to stabilize or pull back ever so slightly or you have more inventory, you’re going to have sellers that need to get creative as well. And that’s when we get into the interest rate buy-downs and things like that where sellers are willing to help. people get a lower rate as part of the deal. So that will show its face much more as inventory stays high and people look to sell. So there’s opportunities like we always talk about. If you’re interested in buying, I would not just let the simple rate drive your decision. I would talk to us and see if we can help you figure out a way to get in the house you want.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. What’s that number to give you a call, Lorne Levy?
SPEAKER 06 :
Always just call 303-880-8881.
SPEAKER 17 :
And that’s for Everything Mortgages, Lauren Levy, 303-880-8881. Lauren, thank you, and we’ll talk next week.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Thank you, Kim.
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SPEAKER 12 :
Salute the ones who died.
SPEAKER 17 :
And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Father’s Day is right around the corner, and a beautiful gift would be to buy a brick that will be on one of the pathways of service at the USMC Memorial as they are doing their remodel. You will receive a beautiful certificate for that, and it is a lovely, lovely gift. And you can get more information about that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is Trent Luce, sixth-generation farmer and rancher, continuing to shed light on the issues that are facing the people that feed and fuel us. And we have taken for granted abundant and affordable energy, abundant and affordable food sources. That is all under attack. Trent Luce, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thanks, Kim. I hope you had, and I know you did, a tremendously thoughtful Memorial Day 2025.
SPEAKER 17 :
I did. I did. And very reflective. I read a really interesting article yesterday about, do you say happy Memorial Day? And there’s no way that you can say happy Memorial Day because what Memorial Day is, it’s a time of reflection. of those that have given their lives. As I think somebody said, some gave all and some gave some, but those that have come back and had injuries from serving our country. And it’s a time to reflect and make sure that we say thank you in our hearts for that. So yeah, it was very reflective, and I’m sure it was for you as well.
SPEAKER 10 :
It was, and including my guest on Trent on the Loose, who I asked her to join me and read a letter she had written. A lady named Gammy did a fabulous job with this letter and putting it into context about those that lost their lives. What do they think about what we’re sitting back letting happen today? And I know you mentioned, you said that I’m on the line with you, and I was thinking about how you you position that we are on the line together fighting for these freedoms. And Kim, too many people in the last three years looked me in the eye, most of them being veterans, with tears streaming, just kind of creeping out of their eyes, saying that I wonder if it was worth it. And when we have people who are asking the question, I wonder if it was worth it, that tells me that I got to do more because it’s absolutely worth it. We wouldn’t have a chance if it had not been for that sacrifice. And we do. And we have the ability to grab this thing and drive our free future. But only when we engage and don’t sit back and take for granted, like you said, food and fuel, but also the sacrifice of the generations before us have enabled us to live the greatest experience of life anybody on the planet has.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and I’m convinced that we are in the third founding of our country. 250 years ago at this particular point in time, 1775, things were pretty hot that summer. And that’s when the – gosh, I was thinking that was – I think it was when the Marines were founded as well. So there was a lot of stuff happening before we were a country. And, of course, there was the right of Paul Revere. And this this year, 1775, the battles of Lexington and Concord, things were getting very hot at this particular point in time. And these folks put it all on the line for liberty. And what is liberty? It’s the responsible exercise of freedom. And we’ve become very irresponsible in our exercise of freedom. We’ve become fat and happy. We think that this is all going to be here just because of the sacrifices of those that they’ve given to fight for liberty. And it’s our time. And it was easier, I think. when you could look at that physical enemy and say, oh, those are the people that are trying to take away liberty. Now they have on suits and dresses, and they are politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties that have been working to take away our freedoms, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 10 :
You mentioned Paul Revere, but why did you leave Sybil Luddington out of the equation?
SPEAKER 17 :
Tell me who that is.
SPEAKER 10 :
She was the 16-year-old young lady that rode twice as far and alerted twice as many people as Paul Revere did. We all talk about Paul Revere, but we never talk about Sybil. It’s spelled S-Y-B-I-L, Sybil Revere.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and apparently Henry Wadsworth Longfellow realized that the poem, The Ride of Paul Revere, was not totally accurate, that there were others that were writing that night as well. But he did this more as a marketing thing to get people interested in freedom. And so, again, even marketing back then turned loose.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, just think about that. How much of our historical information we have is a result of marketing as opposed to the factual information. And interestingly enough, I sat on a plane one day into Denver next to Henry Wadsworth Longfellow’s grandson.
SPEAKER 16 :
Cool.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it was really interesting. And it was interesting to talk to him. And, you know, apparently there’s a bridge in Boston somewhere. named Longfellow Bridge. So he said that he’s run into a lot of people are like, oh, so you’re named after that bridge.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, people don’t know our history.
SPEAKER 10 :
I know that is the problem.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, Trent, we want to talk about something so important, and that is property taxes. I’m going to ask you, have you connected with Sean Pond by any chance out on the Western Slope? Okay, we’ve got to get you guys connected. I was out – oh, gosh – This was, Josh Lowenstein had put together a, now I’ve got to get the exact title, but basically this was before the election, and Biden, using national monument designations, was trying to grab all of this land. And Sean Pond and Josh Lowenstein just got very involved in this, and apparently Sean just got elected recently as a Montrose County Commissioner. And he has written a piece about the danger of us being just not vigilant on what’s happening by our local electeds not standing up for property rights. So I’m going to try to get him on next week. But all of this is connected because Bob Boswell was on in our number one with Laramie Energy. And I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. But he said a little town that they have natural gas development in out on the western slope, that this little town got talked into a new $70 million school. The state said they put in $40 billion. The residents apparently voted to fund another $30 million. They only have 250 students. That’s $280,000 per student. And their property taxes are going to go up significantly. And this is not smart. I’m sure some smooth marketer came in and talked them into this. But… I don’t think you need a $70 million school to teach kids how to read and write and do arithmetic, but a $70 million school is going to be a real assault upon property through property taxes, Trent.
SPEAKER 10 :
Josh did send me that article you’re speaking of, and I’ve had a week where I’ve actually minimized my screen time greatly, and so I have not had the opportunity to read that yet, but I will and follow up on it. And what you’re describing is not just a a rare occurrence. We’ve got a school within 15 miles of us that is, again, under another bond, and again, they pass them. I don’t understand why the property tax situation is the way that it is. The lack of education that we provide, no matter how many billions of dollars we put into the school the kids walk into, the culture is not right, the educational system is not right. And we’re breaking, literally breaking, financially breaking the people that fund all of this to happen. It must be turned around. I did look this up. I know that our particular school district in our county, 71% of the property tax that we pay goes to the school. And statewide in Colorado, apparently in 2024, it was about 55% of the property tax paid goes to fund the school. That’s one of the lower in the entire nation. Most states, I know that Wyoming is 62%. I know that because they did have a tax break for residential property that was a success story in Wyoming this year, one of the few. But we can no longer afford what is taking place. And I applaud you for seeking the right solution to reduce this property tax because it’s not just property taxes. Every one of our taxes go up. You talk about Paul Revere and Sybil Lovington. Taxation without representation pales in comparison 250 years ago to what we have today.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. That is for sure, Trent Luce. So we’re going to delve more into this whole thing regarding taxation, proper role of government, how do we fund the government. And so just stay tuned. And all these discussions happen because of our sponsors. And something else that’s under attack is our right to keep and bear firearms to protect ourselves against bad actors. And that’s why I’m so pleased to have the Second Syndicate as a sponsor of the show.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And today, four o’clock down at the Center for American Values in Pueblo, Jeff Chosner will be on values speaker today. And he’s going to be talking about how his military career helped him become a success as he’s a Pueblo native, but also as a district attorney. So be sure and check that out. And on the line with me is let me give you that Web site. It is American Value Center dot org. So, Trent Luce, there’s a proper role of government, and we’re way out of the proper role of government on the local, county, state, and national level, so much so that this insatiable desire for more and more of our property The fruits of our labor through taxes and fees is making us slaves to the government. And our country was founded on too much taxation. And we’re just we’re at that limit right now. So what first of all, the proper role of the federal government, I think, is laid out in the preamble of the Constitution. And granted, it’s somewhat of a wide range, but it’s to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and that doesn’t mean taking one from one person to give to another, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. So that’s the proper role of the federal government. Agree?
SPEAKER 10 :
A hundred percent. And I’m going to break it down to two things. I think 2026, the federal government should be responsible for a military, which includes protecting our borders and guiding and making sure that we have a currency that is fluid among all 50 states. Aside from that, the federal government needs to disappear.
SPEAKER 17 :
What about courts? What about judicial courts?
SPEAKER 10 :
You mean the judicial – how is that working? That’s not working either. Where we have a justice system, we’ve got to restructure that as well. We do not need a federal government for a judicial system. Why do we need a federal crime? We can handle all of these issues within states and local districts, counties, including roads.
SPEAKER 17 :
So how are we going to fund this?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, first of all, if we get rid of the federal government and we eliminate property taxes, as we know, we’ve got to look at where those property taxes go. And property taxes, the lion’s share of that is education. We shift education to be funded by the people who are sending kids to the school. There is nothing in the Constitution. I’ve read the 14th Amendment. I’ve listened to court interpretations of the 14th Amendment. There’s nothing in the Constitution that says your kid is going to be given a publicly funded education. And that’s where the bulk of the money is going, if you really look at the tax dollars we spent. And then if you look at the results of what we’re getting for the bulk of that money, it’s pretty embarrassing. If any business… was as successful at educating and preparing our nation’s youth for the future, equal to what that of the school is, they would be out of business, broke and gone. We have private schools, you have charter schools that are doing a fantastic job. Why do we need to have public education funded by the taxpayers?
SPEAKER 17 :
So this would be a major disruption to change. How are we going to get from where we are now to where you’re saying we need to get to? How is that going to happen?
SPEAKER 10 :
There’s only one way, and that is starve the funding. The only way this is going to happen is that they do not have access to our money at an unlimited rate, which is currently taking place. So how do we start starving the system to enact what we see as a viable option? But you get the whole problem, and I think it was perfect that you set this up this way. Here in this small school district of the western slope of Colorado, people willingly go vote and say, we want to increase our payment to the school by millions of dollars for what outcome? But keep in mind, and this is something you’ve been banging the drum on for a long time, we’re assuming that the vote was accurate. I have lost faith in the accuracy of our voting system longer ago than I actually realized. And so what if that vote is as skewed as the presidential election of 2020? How does that change everything? Because did people actually go say we want to spend – millions of dollars in a small school district?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, that is a really important question. I’ve been thinking about it over this weekend because, as you know, Trent, we’ve raised money for a couple of lawsuits that are out there regarding our elections. And then there is a new report regarding something that happened in Arapahoe County which I don’t totally have my brain around what happened exactly. But so let’s say this is, this is going to, this is a really, um, Dangerous place for us to go. If we find out that these elections have not been accurate and that even if some stuff has happened with these elections, will that negate then the results of those elections? So apparently this school is under construction. Seventy million dollars under construction. What if the people didn’t vote for that? Will that grind to a halt? What about and I guess one of the questions that is regarding this Arapahoe question is the repeal of the Gallagher Amendment. And that was an issue that, in my voter’s guide, we took a strong no position on repealing the Gallagher Amendment because that was guardrails that had been put in place regarding residential property taxes. And there were Republicans that were being paid to encourage people to vote for getting rid of the Gallagher Amendment. And what I’ve also learned here in Colorado is there is a Republican consultant class that they really don’t want to solve the problems. And they may not even really want candidates to win. They just want to have elections and campaigns because they will make money one way or another. So they don’t really care about solving the problems of Colorado. And I think that’s one of the reasons that we’ve gotten to the position that we’re in right now, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, everybody needs to understand. I don’t care what your party politics are. If you have a representative republic that is fundamentally flawed with the accuracy of the elections, you have nothing.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s why the work that we’re doing regarding elections is so important. I know that there’s things happening in other states, but I really think that Colorado is is at the tip of the spear on a lot of this. So let’s say, just posit this as a question, that we do find out that the passage of getting rid of the Gallagher Amendment, that there was some weird stuff going on with the election, but yet we’ve had all these jurisdictions that have gotten this increased tax revenue. Shouldn’t they have to give that back then?
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
So where are you going to stop? How many things have been determined by an election? How many ballot initiatives have been determined by an election? And it seems to me that if you go look back, particularly since I can attest to since the Reagan era, that we’re given just enough things to keep us in the hope that the elections are fair and have integrity and And then you have that whole hanging Chad thing. And if we think back to what that really meant and what that was about, that doesn’t make any sense today in 2025, thinking back to that situation. And yet how many new rules and laws came about in voting because of that one situation in Florida on a presidential election? I think we’ve been duped for a long time.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and so, as you mentioned, if we don’t have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections, then we have nothing. And that is why I’m really focused on working on this. If people, fair and square, voted for radical activist Marxism… Okay, I guess that’s what it is. But I do not believe that the people of America, that that’s really where we’re at. Of course, we’re seeing poll numbers that are showing that people are pleased with the direction that Trump is taking regarding America. A lot of the things to get, I think, the federal government back into its proper role. Now, I always want him to stay within the confines of the Constitution. And I talked with somebody regarding his executive order on elections. And both, I talked to two different people. and both of them very involved in watching our elections. And they said that they were very pleased with that executive order, that in fact that he was staying within the confines of the Constitution. And as much as we like many of the things that Trump may be doing, we want to make sure that he stays within the confines of the Constitution on all of this. And then the other thing is, and you know I’ve talked about this regularly, is that, well, the idea of America is that we’re all created equal. And so with that, that means that nobody gets special deals. Nobody gets special tax incentives. Nobody gets special tax breaks. Nobody gets grants from the government to do things. Everybody needs to compete with their best ideas in a free market. And that is what was so great about America up until… like 1914 or whatever those progressive amendments were passed. So we’re going to continue the discussion with Trent Luce. And we have these important discussions because of our sponsors. If you’ve been injured, reach out to John Bozen. Oops. Yep. John Bozen with Bozen Law.
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It is a great day to be alive. Be sure to check out our website. That’s KimMunson.com. I’m talking with Trent Luce. We’re talking about proper role of government, getting government back, and it’s the role it’s supposed to be providing. And Trent, producer Joe had a great idea on one of the first things to do to get government back in its proper role and defund it is to get rid of the payroll system. automatic payroll deduction. I think that that’s an excellent idea. What do you think?
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree 100%. But I also want to challenge you on something you said. Where in the Constitution is the provision to give the president authority to do an executive order?
SPEAKER 17 :
I don’t know the answer to that, but I will.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s unconstitutional.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
If he was actually a constitutional president, he would have issued an executive order first right the first day saying executive orders are not constitutional. Every previous executive order that’s ever been established is null and void.
SPEAKER 17 :
But that would have been an executive order. But that would have been an executive order. Anyway, we’ll talk about that maybe next week.
SPEAKER 10 :
There’s so many things happening right now that are so damaging to liberty by this guy that’s running the country like a king. I hope people start recognizing what’s actually taking place. And I was just been bombarded this morning with information on what he’s doing in the steel industry that mirrors what happens in Russia or happened in Russia in terms of communism. And I got to go get the details. But when that number of people send me notes at that level, I know something’s going on.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, well, we’ll stay tuned. There are a lot of things I’ve talked with Lorne Fix and what’s happening over in the auto industry. I’ve been very happy with that. And things that are happening in the energy industry, happy with that. So we will continue that discussion next week. We have Gammy on the line. Gammy, a couple of minutes. What’s on your radar?
SPEAKER 19 :
Good morning, and thank you both for being my friend and for that opportunity, Trent. It was an honor. Thank you very much. Now, let me get right to it. I think you need to have a two-hour show on that. If people got falsely elected and then passed a bunch of bills that are illegal, what do you do with it? I think you need two shows on it. And I found this from Grandparents for Kids newsletter this morning, Rocky Mountain Voice. Through the external outlet of the Denver Gazette, Denver public schools leased schools through Shell Corporation, hiding almost $1 billion in off-book financing. I’m going to read you just a few. Nicole Brambilla wrote it. Denver Public Schools transferred ownership of at least 31 schools to a shell corporation, then leased them back for hundreds of millions of dollars. Denver Public Schools has quietly taken on hundreds of millions of dollars in long-term debt without voter approval. money that could otherwise be used to lower class sizes, increase teacher pay, or expand student support services, an investigation by the Denver Gazette has found. The spending comes as contract negotiations between the district and the Denver Classroom Teachers Association have stalled with union leaders pointing to the district’s failure to fully fund last year’s cost of living adjustment. Educators have repeatedly called for smaller class sizes, better compensation, and stronger student support, the very priorities that advocates Advocates say are undermined by rising lease payments tied to long-term debt to bypass the Colorado Constitution’s ban on assuming public debt without voter approval. DPS officials employed a workaround widely used in public finance circles but little understood by the public. transferring ownership of schools to a corporation then leasing the building back for hundreds of millions and it goes on and on and on to circumvent the voters i think we need to be looking into that local stuff
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, we really do. And let’s just connect the dot that Michael Bennett, Senator Michael Bennett, was the superintendent of Denver Public Schools. And my understanding is that he had the support of Phil Anschutz to do that. So, okay. Thank you, Gammy. Jim Mays on the line. Jim, what is on your radar?
SPEAKER 08 :
Good morning. Yeah, I’ve been listening. It was a good show this morning. And I really, really agree, Trent, with what you’re saying about voter rights. identification voter fraud. I just I look at that just a couple comments and then a question but um you know I look at the 2020 election and there’s no doubt in my mind that there’s more votes in there than there were registered voters and when you look out on a graph I just don’t see how anybody cannot see that but um in terms of voter ID and that it’s you know that should be a law but You know, we have that technology now. I mean, every time I go to the airport, they scan my retina, and I know that you could build a system around a retina or a thumbprint and establish a media. Is that feasible, or is that something that people should look at? Maybe later on there would be fraud on it. The other side of it, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 17 :
You know, Jim, so technology, when it’s used properly, is a great thing. But I’m concerned that at some point in time with all of this data, and I actually will move over to this side when I’m flying and say, you know, I prefer not to have my picture taken, although I think they’ve gotten me a couple of different times. But I’m concerned that ultimately this could be used – negatively towards people. And I love the fact that you understand the importance of technology, but I’m not comfortable with that. What do you think, Trent?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I love the fact that Jim asked you a question that he knows the answer to, and he knows the answer that retinal scanning is possible because it’s very possible and being done with cattle all across this country. Which bodes another question that nobody seems to be asking, but he’s asking it without asking it. If we know we can have an individual animal ID by scan of a retinal scan, which is easy to do, it’s just as easy as scanning a tag that’s in the cow’s ear. Why do we have a federal government pushing for a radio frequency identification to plant in the ear of when in fact it already possesses an individual character as the retinal scan that could be done in cattle. Which then comes back to what you said, and there is not one single technology that can’t be abused. I mean, just take it back to credit cards. When credit cards first came online, you mean I’m going to give you access to my bank account? Oh my goodness, that seems like, and nobody even talks about that anymore. Tim, you know, anytime you drive from Brighton to the airport, you get a letter in the mail saying that you just drove here. You got to pay $2.80 or whatever the number is. I just got one the other day. I was speaking in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and the buzz in Tulsa was that now the Cimarron Road, which runs from Enid to Tulsa, is a toll road. And guess who takes care of the billing for the toll road in Oklahoma? The Oklahoma prison system. So you have people in prison with access to your credit card. And we didn’t go about it without any thought whatsoever. And we just want to continue to ratchet this up, making every bit of our privacy subject to somebody else’s eyes.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, I think you’re right.
SPEAKER 08 :
I knew the answer before I asked it, but I wanted to throw it out there anyway.
SPEAKER 17 :
And Jim, I have to say, I loved it. Did you hear the birds in the background? It made me… Made me want to be out in rural Colorado with all the stuff that’s happening here.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but apparently he doesn’t want to play five-card stud because his poker face isn’t working so good today.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, Trent, we’ve got just about a couple of minutes left. And we are at an inflection point in our country right now. And the amount of money that’s being taken of our fruits of our labor is so significant to feed this insatiable population. appetite for those that want to take away all of our property rights. And they are doing a lot of that through saying that they want to educate our children. Of course, we realize here in Colorado, our kids are not really learning how to read and write and do arithmetic, but they’re learning how to question whether or not they’re a boy or a girl. It’s crazy here in Colorado. But we’re in for the fight. Trent Luce, your final thought.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, they’re learning pretty rapidly how to use AI, and we continue to be told that we need to be the AI leader of the world, and apparently AI is more important, and that is the absolute best mechanism for controlling people is controlling artificial intelligence. Why do we have such an appetite to remove land from individuals and feed them information that comes from central control?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and the key word there is central. And whenever you centralize something, then that means you’re consolidating power. And again, the founders realized we wanted to have decentralized government. And it’s been a long march to get to this point. And we need to decentralize government. We need to get government back in its proper role. And in order to do that, we need to understand what that proper role is. And it’s all laid out in the vision of our Declaration and our Constitution. And I’ve got homework this week. I’ve got to do a little bit of research on executive orders. So I will do that. Trent Luce, as always, I greatly appreciate the conversations. They are thought-provoking and very informative. So thank you so much.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thanks, Kim. Can’t wait for the homework to come in.
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