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Indeed, let’s have a conversation, and welcome to the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Thursday, Producer Joe. Happy Thursday, Kim. and last night the girls were over we partook in the Hooters Wings Day special which is every Wednesday you buy 20 wings you get an additional 10 for free that’s for to go or to dine in and it’s always a treat to have Hooters Wings when We all get together, and particularly like the lemon pepper rub and the Texas barbecue rub. Hooters Restaurants has five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Great specials Monday through Friday for lunch and for happy hour. I got to know them. It’s a really important story about proper role of government and free markets and capitalism. You can find that story at my website. at kimmonson.com. So you can sure check that out. Our word of the day is transcendent, and it is spelled T-R-A-N-S-C-E-N-D-E-N-T. And Merriam-Webster says, number one, it could be exceeding usual limits, surpassing, extending, or lying beyond the limits of ordinary experience. And number two, being beyond comprehension. Number three, transcending the universe or material existence. Compare or number four, universally applicable or significant. So transcendent, T-R-A-N-S-C-E-N-D-E-N-T. I would say that the vision of our Declaration of Independence, that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness are transcendent. Your challenge is to use transcendent in a sentence today. And our featured guest in hour number two is Rob Nadelson, who is an expert on our Constitution. And we’re talking about some of these things that are coming down from the Supreme Court. So I thought it was appropriate to go to a Supreme Court justice for our quote of the day. So I went to Clarence Thomas and He was born in 1948. He is an American lawyer and jurist who served since 1991 as an associate justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. President George H.W. Bush nominated him to succeed Thurgood Marshall. After Marshall, Thomas is the second black American to serve on the U.S. Supreme Court and has been the longest serving member since Anthony Kennedy’s retirement in 2018. And he said this, He said to define each of us by our race is nothing short of a denial of our humanity. Again, Clarence Thomas said to define each of us by our race is nothing short of a denial of our humanity. So let’s see. Next thing. So I thought this was pretty important when I saw this particular headline. This is from Fox News. And it’s because we’ve talked a lot about, well… We’ll go back to the show. Check out our website. It’s kimmonson.com. While you’re there, make sure that you’re signed up for our weekly email newsletter that comes out on Sundays, highlighting our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com as well. That’s kim at k-i-m-m-o-n-s-o-n.com. And I thank all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. And remember, it’s not compassionate nor altruistic to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, their freedom, livelihoods, opportunity, childhoods, or lives via force. And force obviously can be a weapon, but it can be policy and unpredictable in excess of taxation and fear, coercion, which we saw under the whole COVID thing, government-induced inflation, the agenda of the World Economic Forum and the globalist elite’s that they push that out and play that out with the United Nations. Whoops, hold on here just a second. And we see it also played out with the Colorado State Legislature and this Colorado governor. But what we’ve also seen is using land use codes and zoning regulations, forced fees. But conservation easements, national monument designations, transmission line easements, CO2 pipelines. So we’ve talked about all this. And this was yesterday. It says Trump’s Department of Justice argues for the Antiquities Act, the power to declare that it carries the power to revoke. So the Department of Justice is arguing that Trump may cancel some of these Biden era national monuments, which really has been a huge land grab. And so I think this is really huge. And as we’ve talked about the big, beautiful bill. There’s some very good things in it. When we talked with Wade Miller yesterday with the Center for Renewing America, he said there are tax cuts in there. There are spending cuts in there. That is great. Concerned about CO2 pipelines, eminent domain. I’m very concerned about that. Very concerned about the artificial intelligence tenure, carve out on that with states and local government not being able to do anything on these AI centers. I’m concerned about those things, but I think there are some good things in there as well. And I want to make sure that I say hats off to Donald Trump when he’s doing these, you know, something like this. And so he said in the article says in the final days of his presidency, Biden established the Chukwala National Monument and the Satila Highlands National Monument. and they say ostensibly, to protect hundreds of thousands of acres of land in California. And the Chukwala National Monument is 624,000 acres, and the Satila Highlands National Monument is 224,000 acres. Ultimately, they want to put this back into the rewilding of America, ultimately probably to make that hands-off, For any human interaction on that land. And so this is a really big deal that Donald Trump is working to revoke that and good for him on that. So hats off to him on that. I did want to say thank you to the Harris family. for their goal sponsorship of the show. It is because of all of these people and great businesses that I get to work with that puts us on the air so that we can look at these issues and help you with all of those. The text line is 720-605-0647 and I do want to hear from you as well. And on the line with us is Karen Gorday. She is an entrepreneur. She is the owner of Radiant Painting and Lighting, a great new sponsor of the show. Karen, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. Thank you. And things are drying out. I know that you’re busy. And what’s a few tips that people should have to keep their house in tip-top shape?
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You know, that’s a very good question. So something I’m seeing a lot now that it is drying out, people are actually walking around the house realizing they need paint. And when I’m going out for the estimate, it’s really been the lack of maintenance. And what I mean by that is over time, if you don’t paint and keep up the maintenance, eventually that paint is going to come off of the wood and then you have bare wood on your house. And if you do not have that covered with primer and paint, then eventually it’s going to rot. And I’ve got a, I would say probably every estimate I’ve done in the last week and a half has some level of wood rot and that adds to the cost of repainting your home because We’re not going to pay for rotten wood.
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So that means that you’ll have to have one of the people that you work with come in and replace that, which does increase the cost on that. But, yeah, that seems like that’s really good advice. But you can fix it if that has happened, though, yes?
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Absolutely, yes. But that will drive the cost of the painting up because you’ve got to figure in the lumber and the carpenter pay, etc. And then you have to prime the fresh wood and paint it.
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And so, yeah, I think that’s really good advice. And I think you’re right. You know what? And that’s one of the things I think with people’s homes is, and like I may have some, I used to be in the fashion industry. And so I had some favorite, like some favorite shoes. that I love wearing, and I remember them, that they looked the way, or I thought that they looked the way when I bought them, that they looked new and fresh. But I’ve worn them a lot, and finally one day I looked at them with a critical eye, and I’m like, you know, those things are a little worn out. And I think that sometimes we just get used to our homes or whatever, and we don’t have that critical eye, and I think that’s pretty important, Karen.
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Absolutely, and that’s gotta you. I look at every house like it’s my own and I’m super critical when I’m walking around looking for that wood rot. Because sometimes you know it might just be. A door trim on a side door that no one ever uses and you realize that’s rotten and they’ve never used that door or very rarely used that door and they don’t realize it.
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Haven’t really looked at it. Now, Karen, you really offer value for value. You said you’re not the most expensive and you’re not the least expensive. which I’ve learned over time that many times the cheapest price isn’t the cheapest price. You offer value for value, good, honest work on this. And this is a big deal when somebody decides to paint either the exterior or interior of their home.
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Absolutely. It is super important. To your point, sometimes that cheapest bid ends up costing you more in the end, and you really want to make sure you’re getting the quality of the work that you want.
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And how can people reach you, Karen Gorday, at Radiant Painting and Lighting?
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Absolutely. Our website is www.paintwithradiance.com, or you can reach us by phone at 720-940-3887.
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And again, that’s Karen Gorday, and that is Radiant Painting and Lighting. Karen, we’ll talk with you next week. Sounds great. Thank you, Kim. Keep up the great work. And another great sponsor of the show is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And they know that life can be challenging, and it’s their mission to maximize your financial security as you manage the risks of everyday life. So call Roger Mangan at 303-795-8855 for more information. Like a good neighbor, Roger Mangan’s team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter, and you can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And this is late breaking. I wanted to say thank you to Mary for getting this over to me. And this is from KUOW, an NPR network. It says the U.S. Department of Justice is demanding an unprecedented amount of election data from at least one state, according to documents obtained by NPR. As the Department of Justice, transformed by the Trump administration, reviews cases targeting Americans, Well, this let me back. So let me get through all of the commentary on that. It says then it goes on to say on May 12th, the Justice Department asked Colorado Secretary of State to turn over all records relating to 2024 incidents. federal elections, as well as preserve any records that remain from the 2020 election, which is a sprawling request. Several voting experts and officials told him PR was highly unusual and concerning. Given President Trump, I can’t finish all that. It’s all the NPR stuff with the color journalism that they put on that. But the key is, is that the Department of Justice has asked for this information. And if there’s nothing to hide, it should be no problem. We don’t need to have all the kind of commentary on all that. So next we have on the line with us Pam Long. You know her. She is a regular guest on the show. She’s an author here. She’s also the director for the military component at Children’s Health Defense. And I wanted to talk with her about some new developments on vaccines and our kids here in Colorado. Pam Long, welcome. Thanks, Kim, for having me. Okay. You and I got to know each other on this initial whole forced vaccine thing before COVID and been very concerned about the CDC’s recommended vaccine schedule for our children. But then it seems like the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment piles on on that. So there’s some new developments that GAMI had sent over to us. What’s going on?
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Okay, so CDPG, that’s our state health department, and they will promote the rules that support the legislation that is passed every year on vaccines and other matters. But this one relates to vaccines. So HB 1027, there was a bunch of minor changes, I would say, to our vaccine requirements, but I’ll go over the top three that I think relate. parents care about and then um what is not really covered to the public are your exemption rights so the top three issues with the rule changes that are proposed that the public has input on until july 1st one i say the most controversial would be that the 1027 changed that we would follow the recommendations of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, which has been in statute since 2020, to the American Academy of Pediatrics and then a bunch of other similar type of medical organizations like family physicians and college of obstetrics and gynecologists and college of physicians now why is this controversial this is controversial because um you know rfk the secretary of health and human services has basically retired all current members of the asap because of their conflicts of interest these are people in the industry working for vaccine manufacturers who are also recommending the vaccines that their companies create. That’s a conflict of interest. So in our super majority here said, hey, we see the writing on the wall with RFK in this position. We need to make sure that these pharma shills can still tell parents to take all these vaccines without a true ethical informed consent, right? That there’s risks and there’s a contraindication. So that is the most controversial change. So I just want parents to know the takeaway is that the people recommending vaccines to you have conflicts of interest. They are selling you a product and you need to do your homework on the cost benefit analysis of all 72 doses on the schedule. This also is controversial because. This RFK, as the Secretary of Human Services, has said the United States will no longer recommend the COVID vaccine to children or to pregnant women because the evidence is not there supporting safety and efficacy. And the CDC is digging their heels in. He does not have full control over the CDC, even though he is the Secretary of HHS. And they are still recommending it. You’ll still see it on the schedule. So that’s change number one. Change number two, parents, if you are presented with an immunization requirement for school, daycare, college, you now have 30 days to comply. It’s called an in-process period. It went from 14 days to 30 days. This is a good thing, actually, because you might need to do some homework. You might need to go talk to a doctor. The third change that I would say that is, to use a less term, is inequitable, is that parents will, United States citizens will jump through hooves to meet all of these rules and regulations to get their kids into schools, colleges, and daycares. But this new change says if you are homeless or an immigrant and you don’t have your vaccine paperwork and documents and you you’re unable to jump through all our hoops, that’s OK. You can still come to school, daycare and college and we require nothing of you. So those are the three major changes, Kim.
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Wow. OK. And so if you’re a parent and parents do want to get their kids into daycare and school, college. go to camp. Is there any way to get your kids into the, well, I guess if you’re homeless or an immigrant, you wouldn’t have to be forced to take these vaccines. But is there really any way around it, Pam Long? Yes.
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Yes. We’ve had exemption rights and statutes since 1978. The problem is, is that your providers and our state officials at the health department, they do not like to tell parents in our schools, they do not like to tell parents, do you have exemption rights? You have a medical exemption. You have what they call now since 2020 a non-medical exemption. That is a religious or just philosophical belief against any one vaccine or all vaccines or anything in between. And there’s an education module. So there’s three options. These two forms, a medical or non-medical exemption on the CDPHE website. which doctors will not sign the way they were worded in 2020. It’s actually detrimental for providers to sign these forms against their credentials, against their accreditation, against their business. This is a business. This is a product that people are trying to sell you. But there is a module that most parents who exempt use. It’s a very biased module. It will not tell you the risks of vaccines. It will not tell you your risks for the disease. It will tell you that vaccines are safe and effective. But most parents just take this online module and then they submit the completion form for their exemptions for public schools, daycares, and colleges. The biggest confusion I get every year on vaccines from parents is that this wording of required versus recommended. There are required vaccines, which you can still exempt for, that the school expects you to have or you have to file an exemption. And then there are recommended vaccines. And I will give examples of… Like the COVID vaccine, it’s not required. It’s recommended. You don’t need an exemption for that. The flu vaccine is recommended. It’s not required. You don’t need an exemption for that. And for college students, the meningitis vaccine is recommended, but it’s not required. You don’t need an exemption for that. The point here is that when you go into a doctor’s office or any type of vaccine provider and all the ways we can give them now, the dentist can give them now. It’s insane. They will not clarify for this. They will not tell you the difference between recommended and required because they want you to buy the product. So they will let you believe it’s required for school, daycare, or college. And they will not tell you exemption rights. And they will not tell you about titers testing. You could take a blood test and show, look, I’m immune to measles, mumps, rubella. I don’t need a booster. That is in lieu of an exemption. These are all the deceitful ways that this predatory industry operates.
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Okay. Next question, then. I saw the headline that RFK Jr. has removed all the current members of the CDC Vaccine Advisory Committee. This is a very big deal, yes? Yes.
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This is a very big deal, and from my point of view, if you’re a pharma shill, when I say pharma shill, that is someone who is just basically acting like a pharma rep for the vaccine companies and trying to sell a product without informed consent, telling you there are risks of adverse injury and disability and death. These are serious risks. They will only tell you safe and effective because they are selling you a product. So this whole removal of the ACIP committee because of their longstanding conflicts of interest and revolving door between industry and government, It is really shaking up these pharma shills. Like here in Colorado, I’ll just name him. His name is Senator Kyle Mullica. He does whatever pharma tells him to do in legislation. He is the one person in this state for many years who has been trying to take away parents’ exemption rights through legislation with 70 pharma lobbyists supporting him.
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And that’s what’s so important to do is to connect the dots, follow the money. Those two things are so closely entwined. And as you look at the country, Pam Long, is Colorado one of the most, I don’t know what the term, the most restrictive or the pushing vaccines on our kids the most? Or are there other states that are equal to that, more of that? What do you see in all these other states?
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We definitely see Colorado is a, we kind of test, we’re a testing ground for, like we are the first state in the nation to say we’re changing from the recommendations of the ACIP to the recommendations of the American Academy of Pediatrics, right? that no other state i get to view this from the level the federal level at children’s health defense no other state has made that move but i would expect other states now that the asap has been disbanded which was the heart of the the pharma shillery if you will like this is the way we the industry was making sure that all the states were recommending every single vaccine that came to So I would project that we’re just the first here. Exemptions are almost impossible in California. New York has had some horrible responses to what they call outbreaks with measles. in violating people’s rights, constitutional rights. But I would put us in the top three, probably because of our politics here and the representation we have in our statehouse and our governor’s office.
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Which is not the place that I want to be, but that’s why we’ve got to continue to shed light on this. And just clarification. So normally the CDC was doing this vaccine schedule, but now because of the shakeup with RFK Jr., the American Academy of Pediatrics is now coming up with a vaccine schedule that Colorado says that they’re going to adhere to. Did I hear that correctly? Yes.
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Well, not exactly. You’re close. So, yes, we will still have the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. It will get an entirely new committee members. All the former committee members have been retired, which is a nice way for saying fired for their conflicts of interest. So now here in Colorado, instead of saying, you know, because people think, oh, the ACIP, that’s a federal government agency, they’re trustworthy, which they weren’t. They were heavily conflicted. But so now the pro-vaccine, you know, no exemptions type of lawmakers that we have here in California or Colorado who don’t believe in parental rights and parental decision making and you know what’s best for your children. They’re saying, you know, we’ll default to the American Academy of Pediatrics because we know they will recommend every single vaccine that’s ever been brought to market, even if it’s been removed from the recommended ACIP list, which is what just happened with the COVID vaccine.
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Wow. Okay, well, Pam Long, we’re going to delve into this even more next week, but I appreciate you coming on to talk about this. And again, that’s Pam Long. She is military director of the military component of Children’s Health Defense, a regular guest on the show here, regular author on the show as well. Pam Long, thank you so much. Thank you, Kim. And Karen Levine is a REMAX realtor, and there’s a lot going on in the real estate market right now. And if you want to buy or sell your home, you really should have Karen Levine on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And while you’re there, make sure that you sign up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out every Sunday. That way you will get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. And so be sure and make sure that you do that. I did want to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation. They are raising the money for the remodel of the official Marine Memorial, which is right here in Golden, Colorado. And we must reflect and remember and honor those that have given their lives, have been willing to give their lives for our liberty. And liberty is the responsible exercise of freedom. And liberty is what America was founded on. And so every day we need to make sure that we stop and reflect about these great men and women that have secured our liberty. And a great way to do that is also to help out the USMC Memorial Foundation with a contribution as they are raising the money for the Marine Memorial. Also wanted to mention Mint Financial Strategies. Do you want more freedom and confidence with your money? Well, Mint Financial Strategies can help. They’re an independent firm with over 25 years of experience, and as an accredited investment fiduciary, they put your best interests first always. With a strategy-first approach, they’ll help you build a plan that fits your life. So call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303- 303-285-3080. That is Mint Financial Strategies. And last night, the girls were over, and we talked about a lot of different things that are on our hearts. One of those things is our elections. And I think many of you have probably seen or heard the reports that Arapahoe County, here in Colorado, changed the cast vote records from the 2020 election. And I wanted to talk with Patty McKernan a little bit about that. She volunteers a variety of things. We’ll get her official title here in just a moment. I think that she’s the chair of CD6, but I want to make sure. Patty McKernan, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. Great to talk to you again. Good to talk to you also. Seems like it was 10 minutes ago, but that’s okay. It was about 10 minutes ago. Do I have that right? You are the chair of CD6, correct?
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I am. Congressional District 6, which is basically all of Arapahoe County and ridiculous little slivers of Douglas, Adams, and Denver, and Jeffco.
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Okay, so what does that mean for the upcoming election that we’ll have here in 2026?
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Well, so Jason Crowe is the congressman who is from CD6. And, you know, he just won the Democrat, I don’t know, Democrat of the Year or something like that from the Democrat Party. So he’s like their golden boy. Well, it’s my job as the chair of Congressional District 6 for the GOP to find a worthy candidate to go out and run against Jason Crow and try to get one more Congressional seat to represent the people in Arapahoe County. Now, I’ve only been in Arapahoe County for a little over four years. But I want to think that this county is not just crazy liberals. And I’ve been out, you know, knocking on doors. I’ve been a precinct leader. I’m now district captain. I’m very involved in the county party. And we really don’t think that we’re that blue. But by the voting, it looks like we’re very, very blue. So what’s happening right now? Do you want me to jump to that?
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Yeah, why don’t you?
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Yes, please. Okay. So… As we’re looking at the county and trying to figure strategies to get conservatives to get out and vote and look at our 60% of our voters that are unaffiliated in Arapahoe County, we have to learn a lot more about the voting behavior and the patterns in the county. Well, our ears are all open to what’s going on with election integrity. We have a lot of our members that are involved in U.S. EIP, and that’s the Election Integrity Project, and United Sovereign America. So all of this is trying to get the voter rolls cleaned up and to get the voters identified as who they are and how do we find the right voters to get our candidates elected. So our eyes are all on everything going on in elections in Arapahoe County and around the country. And lo and behold, there has been a case out in Nevada. And we kept hearing Arapahoe County is going to be brought up. And you’ve had Mark Cook on your show. You’ve had Dr. Walter Dorothy on your show. And we’re hearing rumblings of something happening in Arapahoe County. So lo and behold, in I think it was April, the county just decided to up and change the cast vote records that are available. Cast vote records are the things that when you go out to the Secretary of State’s office or your county and you want to look at election results, those are cast vote results and records. John Lopez, who’s the county clerk, had called for someone to go and revise the cast vote records in Arapahoe. And the reason why they did that is because it was pointed out to them. We don’t know how this happened. I’ll venture a guess in a moment. But it was pointed out to the county clerk that there was a pattern in our voting that made Democrats and Republicans feel report voting on exactly the same trajectory, the same line on a graph, if you think of loading your votes into a bar graph and then you chart it out with a line chart. All of the Republican, I would say this, all of the Trump voters and the Biden voters were on the same voting pattern for Amendment B, which was removing Gallagher, and for Proposition 115, which was due date too late. And they used the excuse, the county used the excuse, that an assistant professor at Yale was doing analysis on split-ticket voting. So, i.e., I’m a Biden voter, but I vote for a cut in taxes. Or I’m a Trump voter, and I vote for a raise, a tax increase. So we had two of those ballot initiatives, and those graphs were charting the Biden and Trump voters exactly in the same place, approving Gallagher removal and voting down due date too late. So when they had this exposed to them, and I’m using air quotes, they decided they better go back and fix things. So they went into the cast vote records. Well, the cast vote records are certified. The county commissioners signed off. and the – I still can’t remember the name of that – the Canvas Board. There we go. Got it. The Canvas Board signed off that these votes were certified. You can’t go back and change certified votes. But they did. They went back in and changed over 15 million data points of our 345,000 voters in Arapahoe County. So they’ve broken the law. And it didn’t necessarily change the – vote total at the end of the day. But when you can go in and change your cast vote records by rearranging columns on a spreadsheet to make the graph now look a little bit more believable, there is a there’s a law broken there. And now they’ve exposed all of their county commissioners to certifying an election that they couldn’t if they certified it, they can’t change it. So my understanding is we have some You read that blurb for Mary. I saw that last night, too, and I didn’t get to dig into it deeper. But, you know, the feds are looking at Arapahoe County. The lawsuit in Nevada is calling out Arapahoe County as being a similar problem that they’re having in Nevada. So the FBI has some interest here. And, you know, we are not going to sit back and let the Democrat-run county clerk continue on this line of just changing the vote. I confronted her at the Jason Crow, Michael Bennett town hall. And she said, oh, that’s just a bunch of crazies that are out there. They’ve been doing this since 2016. So she kind of blew it off. But there’s a group that is going to be pounding the county commissioners at every one of their county commissioner meetings until they get to the bottom of it, and then I think the feds are also going to get to the bottom of it as well. You can’t change records like that. You just can’t.
SPEAKER 19 :
So this is going to be super interesting. So question, Johnny in Denver called in to Joe and asked how to get something like this in Denver. So I know that people want to be taking a look at all of the records, and we hear people ask about Adams County, Jeffco. So is there anything that could be done in Denver County on this project?
SPEAKER 20 :
So I guess for Denver County, I’m not, I don’t have any specific advice for Denver County, but I can say that for Jeffco, that’s on the radar because Jeffco had the same patterns. They didn’t have the same, my understanding is they didn’t have the same, they haven’t had like a, we don’t know that they’ve had a cast vote record change. I don’t think that’s happened, but I think they identified a similar pattern in Jeffco. So I believe there are people in Jeffco that are looking into these votes to see if there’s a problem there that they need to investigate. So, Johnny, I would say that, you know, citizens, we the people have to do the work because usually the politicians are not ready to do the work. You know, they got elected and now they get to pass bills that we like sometimes and really don’t like most of the time. And they’re probably not going to help. So you can go into your county clerk and look at the cash flow records. You can get that data. You download it. But you’re going to have to find a data scientist, unless you are one, that can analyze patterns and create bar graphs and line graphs so you can see. But you have so many Biden voters in Denver that I can’t imagine that there would be Much of a graph to look at, but that’s how you do it. You download the data and you get somebody to look at the data and see if it matches the electorate, if you will. We know Denver’s dark blue. That’s really hard. It’s a tough one.
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Okay. Patty McKernan, hang with us. And I think we’re going to get Teresa on the line as well. I’m talking with Patty McKernan regarding this change in the cast vote records in Arapahoe County, which is very interesting. Of course, we’ve got our lawsuits that we helped fund with United Sovereign Americans and well as Peter Bernager with the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice. And he did just text me and said, take a look at my tweet. And so we’ll take a look at that. It’s basically the information that we shared from Mary as well. But these elections are so important. Colorado’s at the tip of the spear on so many of these things. And so we will continue the discussion when we come back. And for everything mortgages, make sure that you reach out to Lorne Levy. He can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. This summer, I would recommend that you make sure that you get your kids in the car and head down to the center. for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. And take a look at the portraits of valor that they have of many of our Medal of Honor recipients and learn their stories and talk with your children and your grandchildren about it. It will really change their lives. The center’s focused on these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. And that website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. I have on the line with me Patty McKernan. She is the chair of Congressional District 6, which is primarily Arapahoe County. And then we have Teresa Irby on the line as well. She is our partnership sponsorship liaison with the Kim Monson Show. So, Teresa, welcome. Good morning, Kim. Good morning, everyone. And, Teresa, before we continue our discussion regarding these elections, it’s really great to have you as part of the team. And we have new sponsors. We have sponsors we’ve had for a long time. But so pleased to welcome Radiant Painting and Lighting, which is Karen Gorday, as well as Jody Henze with Mint Financial Strategies. And, of course, Ben Williams. a senior and junior with Ben’s Plumbing and Heating and Cooling. So you’re doing a great job on that. And how can people reach you, Teresa? We have great partners, don’t we? We do. Go ahead. Well, you’re out there talking to others that potentially may become a sponsor, which we would love. And if people are interested in talking with you, what’s the best way to reach you?
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SPEAKER 19 :
So Teresa, I want to get your read on this as well as Patty’s. Peter Berneger had texted me this morning. He said, take a look at my tweet. And it is this. And It says on May 12th, well, he said the U.S. Department of Justice sends Colorado Secretary of State letter demanding all records of the 2024 election and all that remain of the 2020 election. It says on May 12th, the Justice Department asked that they turn over all these records as well as preserve these records from 2020. A lot of that is already gone, Patty McKernan, because they could destroy election records forever. after basically 27 months, which is crazy to me. We should be able to save this for a long time. But this is going to be very interesting what’s going to happen here, Patty McKernan.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes. So part of that cast vote record commentary from my comments earlier, there are ballot images And I think the ballot images may still be available. So I do believe that there is a way to take image by image, hand count those basically, and compare them to the outcome, the election numbers that are out there. But if they have destroyed the physical ballots, which I believe they have, then we really have to just think that we have to trust what the images say. And I’m not going to trust that. So it’ll be very interesting to find out if there are any ballots still available from 2020. And this is about Tina Peters as well, by the way. If you dig down into the tweet, well, this is the quote. Griswold and other election officials in Colorado suspect the letter to be in some way tied to the state’s prosecution of former mesa county clerk tina peters who has become a folk hero among those who still deny the 2020 election results so i think that you know there the federal the feds are the doj is interested in how the state has persecuted tina peters and that she’s a political prisoner and she did what was right in the federal in the federal government’s eyes in retaining the image of the vote machine, the voting software image, and that’s what the Secretary of State wants to hide because they, I mean, it’s pretty obvious to me that there’s something going on. I shared last night that there’s a race in 2020 in SD19, Senate District 19, where it’s a 2,000 to 3,000 swing vote district, And Len Gerber lost by 17,000 votes in the same year that Biden got 81 million votes and no presidential candidate has ever broken 70 million. So we do know that there are problems and we’re starting to see a lot of interest from the DOJ and I’m hoping that gets down to Arapahoe County so we can get the truth here as well.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, Teresa Irby, last night, all the girls, I would say that making sure that we have free, fair, honest, transparent elections, that is one of the paramount concerns of many of the people that you and I know, correct?
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. I think we heard that across the room last night. People just want true justice. They want voter integrity, and they want to know that their elections are honest.
SPEAKER 19 :
And when we have words like this, Patty McKernan, as I was looking at this article from KUOW and NPR Network, for people that are not really watching this, the wording in this continues to push a narrative that When it says that the U.S. Department of Justice is demanding this unprecedented amount of election data from at least one state, according to documents obtained by NPR, as the Department of Justice transformed, get this, transformed by the Trump administration, reviews cases targeting the president’s political allies and and caters to his desire to exert more power over state voting processes. Isn’t that interesting, the way that they couch that, Patty McKernan?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes, and it is. We just have to get back to one of the things that Ed Solomon said. We are guaranteed in our Constitution fair and representative elections. And that is what we’re guaranteed. And that’s all we want. That’s all we want. We search for the truth. And truth was the big conversation last night. We want the truth. And so truth to many of the people on the left is it’s none of your business. You know, sit down and shut up. So they use language to try to make people feel like, you know, oh, we’re the bad guys. We’re trying to do something good. Just to, you know, appease our people. No, it’s every single person. And if I find out the truth in Arapahoe County is that, you know, we really are that that left. I have to question why I moved here four years ago. No, I’m here to, you know, try to fight the good fight, get the truth out.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and Teresa Irby, that’s what we do every day on The Kim Monson Show is to search for truth and clarity. I think, Teresa, this may be the watershed moment where we can talk with the unaffiliated voter, the voter that’s just busy trying to keep it together for their lives and and saying, hey, we all want the same thing. We want truth in all this. And I think that this may be a watershed moment. It’s a stay tuned, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. I feel like the blinders are coming off of a lot of people because we’re having more transparency. And I think things are being revealed and people’s minds could start changing. And that’s what I’m hoping for that. Again, it’s about truth and integrity and honesty, and that’s all we’re looking for.
SPEAKER 19 :
And I think, Patty McKernan, that’s what most people, I think that’s what most Coloradans do want. Now, there’s the radical activists, extremists in Colorado, and they’re very loud, but that’s why we need to continue to do what we’re doing. So, Patty McKernan, about 30 seconds, your final thought, and then Teresa, your final thought.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I think that… I think that there’s a crack in the door for the first time to actually shed some light on what’s happening. And if Arapahoe County becomes the petri dish of the U.S. voting issues, then so be it. And we’re ready and prepared to support that, you know, shining the light on it.
SPEAKER 19 :
I’m buckling my seatbelt to see where we’re going from here. It’s pretty exciting. And thank you, Patty McKernan. Teresa Irby, your final thought.
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I definitely would just say to people, don’t think that just because you’re one, you don’t matter. Get involved. Now is the time, not tomorrow. Pay attention. Be willing and ready to stand up. Get connected and get out there right now. We are at the tip of the spear here. And it is now time to be involved and be paying attention more than ever. And if you are interested and you are like-minded and you want to have a conversation, please reach out to me at 520-631-9243. We would love to talk about having you become a sponsor or a partner with the Kim Monson Radio Show.
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And thank you, Patty McKernan. Thank you, Teresa Irby. Our quote for the end of the show is Clarence Thomas. And Teresa, you and I didn’t talk to each other about this, but he said this. He said, it takes a person with a mission to succeed. So stay tuned. We’ll be back for hour number two.
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Big news, and this is coming in from many of you, regarding the Department of Justice demanding these election records here in Colorado. This is a really big deal. And I’m so pleased that we have in place this. Those lawsuits with United Sovereign Americans and also with Peter Brunegger with the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice, I think that having those lawsuits filed because of all of you, all of your help in raising the money to make those happen, I think that this is going to be – very supportive of what’s happening regarding the Department of Justice and Colorado. And as many of you coming in on the text line, this is also, I think, about Tina Peters. She is in prison right now because she worked to preserve election records, had questions about that. That’s the bottom line because she was accused of process crimes in making that happen and was convicted of those crimes, was not able to present a lot of important evidence in her trial because the judge prevented that from happening. So she’s now in the Logistic Correctional Facility down in Pueblo. And she is appealing This conviction, and it has to be able to get out on bond while that is happening, and that bond was denied. So this is a really big deal, a big news day on Colorado. So I think that it’s going to just stay tuned on all that’s going on with that. The show comes to you because of our sponsors, and Teresa Irby was on the line in our number one, who is our sponsorship partnership liaison. And she’s bringing on great sponsors, and one of those is Mint Financial Strategies. And are you ready for financial freedom? 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And I’m just a little shocked that we’ve got this going on with Senator Hawley. It seems like he should know better than this. And this really makes it more difficult for entrepreneurs and small businesses to absorb these costs. They’ll hire less. They’ll try to automate more. The owners will probably work more hours. And so this is pretty concerning that he is proposing this, and I’m just really shocked. And so this headline from NBC News says it’s an unusual move for a Republican – as the party has thwarted previous attempts by Democrats to increase the nationwide minimum wage floor. And so this is important to keep an eye on this. And again, yeah, he’s Republican from Missouri. And he introduced this with Senator Peter Welch, Democrat of Vermont. Sometimes I think these guys get to Washington, D.C., and they forget the real basics of our economics. Next thing to mention is that this weekend, June 14th, is Flag Day. It’s also Donald Trump’s birthday. And it’s the Saturday that all of these protests throughout the country are being pushed. And you can get more information by going to this website, knowkings.org. And I think one of the positives is you can go to their partners and you can see all of these different organizations that basically it’s that they hate Donald Trump and they say no kings. But yet all of those groups want government to be the king and they all want to be part of that government group. that would be the king over everyday hardworking people. And one of the tenants of all of that is climate. They are using climate change as the lever to be kings over all of us. That’s why the movie Climate Conversation is important. Check that out. It is the project of Walt Johnson. And He wanted to just have a conversation about this whole narrative on climate. We did the movie, I think, about three years ago now. It seems like just yesterday. But he was one of the first to really come out and have an honest conversation. And he and Ramey asked me to be the moderator, which is my great honor. You can watch that for free at aclimateconversation.com. That is at climateconversation.com. Let’s see. Any other headlines? Oh, Governor Polis assigns expanded protections for illegal immigrants in Colorado. And let’s see. Oh, the other thing is, is the kerfuffle between Musk and Donald Trump. Seems like maybe that’s dying down. Elon Musk issued an apology, said that he was a… I’m paraphrasing, a bit over the top on some of his comments regarding Donald Trump. So perhaps they are going to mend that relationship. And let’s see, one other thing. I thought this was interesting. Bellevue Station here in the Denver metro area is expanding with a 22-story tower here. 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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com as well. And text line I want to hear from you is 720-605-0647. That’s 720-605-0647. On the line is Rob Nadelson, and he is a nationally known constitutional scholar and author whose constitutional research has been cited repeatedly by justices and parties at the U.S. Supreme Court, as well as by federal appeals courts and at least 16 state supreme courts. And he is the author of the original Constitution, What It Actually Said and Meant. Rob Nadelson, welcome.
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It’s great to be with you again, Kim. Thanks for having me on.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, it’s good to have you as well. And your book, The Original Constitution, what it actually said and meant, is into its fourth edition?
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Yeah, it’s just about to go live as a fourth edition. And it includes a lot of editing and streamlining and so forth, but it also includes information about the Constitution and arising from issues that have occurred since the last edition. So, for example, the last edition came out in 2015. There have been two impeachments, as you know, since then, a lot of debate over the grounds for impeachment, and the revised portions of the book examines what are and aren’t the grounds of impeachment. So that’s an example of a way Although the book covers the original Constitution and the original Constitution doesn’t change, it’s how the book responds to evolving areas of public interest.
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Okay. Another question that’s on a lot of people’s minds is executive orders. And I emailed you about it. You said it’s complicated. Is there a 30,000-foot view on executive orders because Biden issued a bunch, Trump has issued a bunch? So what would you say to people?
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There’s a 30,000-foot view, but you couldn’t see anything from that distance. Okay. Here’s the problem in a nutshell. First, executive orders are of two basic kinds. There are those first that the president issues in order to run the executive branch. The Constitution says the president must take care that the laws be faithfully executed. And it’s always been recognized that that means that the president has general command authority over the executive branch, as well, of course, as being commander in chief of the armed forces, the military part of the executive branch. So orders quite frequently go out from the president telling his employees to do this or don’t do that. That’s one kind of executive order. The second kind of executive order is the kind that is issued according to delegated authority given to him by Congress. So, for example, Congress may say something like, we’re setting tariffs at 10 percent for goods coming from Jordan, let’s say. But if the president determines that there’s a national security threat from Jordan, he may raise the tariff to, say, 40 percent. And so that kind of executive order is pursuant to the president’s statutory authority. Most of Trump’s executive orders fit in that category. But the disputes that have arisen over them reflect the fact that number one, every statute is different. I mean, they give different levels of authority to the president. They impose different guidelines on the president. And so you can’t assess any executive order issued under a statute without examining the statute carefully and also without examining case law that might have been established under that statute. And as a result of this, There’s no one thing you can say about these executive orders. Each one has to be looked at of its own merits. A very good example is the case in which the Court of International Trade struck down some of President Trump’s tariff orders. It’s a very interesting opinion. I wouldn’t just dismiss it the way some conservatives have. The court makes a lot of good points. The decision right now is on hold. But that case is an example of the complexity that arises when the president issues an executive order under a statute and the executive order turns out to be controversial.
SPEAKER 19 :
So just a question on this international trade. How would it with our own national sovereignty, how would it be that this international trade organization could have any weigh-in on what we want to do as a country? Is it an agreement that we make?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, the answer to that is it’s not an organization. It’s a court. The Court of International Trade is a court established by Congress – under Article III of the United States Constitution. I’m aware that many people didn’t know it existed, but it’s there. It’s a specialized court in the same way that many states have specialized business courts. And it has the kind of power that a federal district court has, but within its restricted area. And so when President Trump issued these tariff orders, naturally people that were disadvantaged, sued, and claimed that he exceeded his power. The court ultimately, and by the way, I’ve written about this in an article recently appearing, and all my articles eventually appear on the Independence Institute website. The court found that one of the group of orders exceeded President Trump’s statutory authority because they were too open-ended. In other words, there wasn’t enough of a standard issued for the tariffs. And another group simply did not or were not issued in compliance with the statutory standards. So that’s the kind of analysis that a court goes through in considering whether the executive order is valid or invalid. Let me just add, Kim, to this. This whole issue of how much wiggle room a president has in issuing executive orders, is tied into a larger dispute, which is coming up this term in the Supreme Court. And that is the extent to which Congress can delegate power to the executive branch. Most originalist analysts, let’s say most constitutionalist analysts, believe that the Congress has simply gone too far in delegating authority to the executive branch. So this is going to be part of a wider issue considered by the court in a case that’s coming up, if not today, within the next few weeks.
SPEAKER 19 :
So June is a busy time regarding the Supreme Court because every Thursday they are issuing opinions. Is that right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that’s right. And in fact, just about the time you and I will be signing off, they’re going to be probably coming out with some more opinions. They may or may not be controversial. Generally speaking, I think the court saves its most controversial opinions for the end of the term so that they can get out of Dodge.
SPEAKER 19 :
And that will be coming up at the end of the month then, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we really don’t know. This particular case, if you’re interested in this issue of how much power can be delegated by Congress to the executive branch, is called Federal Communication Commission versus Consumer Research.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. Well, we’ll want to stay tuned on that. Let’s talk a little bit about this article that is over at i2i.org, which is the Independence Institute’s website. The article first appeared in town hall just recently on June 9th. And talk a little bit about this article.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, tell me which one it is, okay? Oh, okay. I’m producing about four articles a week right now.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. This is the one that you had linked me to. It says over the last few – I think this is it. Over the last few years, the Supreme Court has issued several decisions trimming back the federal deep state, which is the unelected group that, along with a few senior elected officials – I think you’re referring to Trump versus Wilcox.
SPEAKER 10 :
Is that right? I think so. Yeah. This is a preliminary order, actually, but it’s an interesting signal. The deep state really is the topic of a lot of the Supreme Court’s burden in this particular term. And this is one example. In addition to this whole issue of how much power Congress can delegate to the president and to the executive branch, there’s another issue, which is how much Congress can tie the president’s hands by creating executive branch agencies where the directors who run them cannot be dismissed by the president. So in the case of the two agencies under dispute right now, let’s refer specifically to the National Labor Relations Board, I believe the National Labor Relations Board has five members, and my recollection is they serve four-year terms. So the president appoints a member of the National Labor Relations Board. That appointment is approved by the Senate, and then that person begins a four-year term and, except under unusual circumstances, cannot be removed by the president. The problem with this is that To relate to something I just said a minute ago, the Constitution gives the president general supervision over the executive branch. And if there are executive branch agencies whose directors he can’t fire, then his ability to supervise the executive branch is impaired. There was a case called the SELA law case. SELA is S-E-I-L-A. The CLN law case arose five years ago in which Congress had created the Consumer Finance Protection Board, a creation of our friend from, a senator from Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren. I use the term friend ironically. And the legislation created a director of the Consumer Finance Protection Board who served, I think, for five years and could not be removed by the president. And during President Trump’s first term, that issue was litigated and the Supreme Court held that that attempt to insulate the director from the president was unconstitutional. And so that’s one of several cases which seems to indicate that the court is moving more in the direction of Democratic control over the administrative state or over the deep state by limiting perhaps the amount of delegation to the executive branch and also empowering the president to remove members of the executive branch, even if Congress tries to insulate them.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s crazy that Congress would do that, because what that then means is, is that we are being controlled by people that are unelected and unaccountable to the voter.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, that’s that’s the progressive model. And I’m using the term progressive in its longer historical sense, starting with President Woodrow Wilson. The idea is that government is best administered by experts who have all the answers. And the people are limited to voting for elected officials who hand over vast swaths of authority to these experts, and the experts actually run the government. That’s been basically the norm in the federal government over the past, well, past decades, perhaps as long as 80 years. I mention 80 years because it was 80 years ago that the Supreme Court upheld the idea of protecting executive branch officials from the president. And that’s what we’ve been living under, but that’s not what the Constitution requires. The Constitution did not create an administrative state. It did not create an oligarchy. It created a democratic republic. And I think we have a majority on the Supreme Court that while it will proceed cautiously, still understands that fundamental truth about the Constitution.
SPEAKER 19 :
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SPEAKER 19 :
And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmonson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com as well. The USMC Memorial Foundation is a nonprofit that I dearly love and support because it is so important that we remember and honor those that have given their lives, have been willing to give their lives for our liberty. And the official Marine Memorial is right here in Golden. And Paula Sarles, who’s the president of the foundation and her team, are doing all kinds of things to raise the money for the remodel. You can get more information on that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. I’m talking with Rob Nadelson, a nationally known constitutional scholar and author. His constitutional research has been cited repeatedly by justices and parties at the U.S. Supreme Court. as well as other federal court or the federal appeals courts, and at least 16 state Supreme Courts. And he is the author of the original Constitution, what it actually said and meant. Great book, Rob Nadelson.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you. By the way, Kim, I wanted to make explicit something that was implied by what I said just before the break, but I think I need to emphasize it. These cases that I’m talking about, about dealing with the issue of the administrative state, these are not really partisan for the most part. And you can see that by recognizing that in different cases, the Trump administration is on both sides. So, for example, in the question of whether Congress can hamstring the president’s power over executive branch officials by giving those officials a set term of office, Obviously, the Trump administration is against the set terms of office. They want to be able to fire people within the executive branch so they can carry out their executive responsibilities and the people’s will. On the other hand, the issue of whether Congress has delegated too much power to the executive branch, generally the Trump administration is has been fairly aggressive with their executive orders. They’ve interpreted their power to the outer limits. Some people would argue beyond. And their position is, this delegation to us is fine, and it’s great for Congress to give us almost unlimited power within a particular area. So you can see the Trump administration, like most presidencies, is kind of on both sides of these issues. And someone like me who works in constitutional law tries to look beyond that and say, look, what are the long-term trends here? What needs to happen in constitutional law? And I think what needs to happen in constitutional law is that we need to restore the democratic aspect of our republic by reasserting the power of people’s elected representatives over the administrative state. and also by restoring the federalism balance between the states and the federal government.
SPEAKER 19 :
And it appears that we’re headed that way, yes?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. The court has been inching itself in that direction, except that it has not yet taken on the federal government’s expansive definition of their commerce power, and property power and taxation power. These are the powers that are at the basis of the megastate. So, for example, they’ll say, under the commerce power, Congress can’t delegate or Congress didn’t delegate this much authority to this particular agency, but they never reached the issue of is Congress abusing its commerce power, which I believe it is. So the court really thus far has not stood up to Congress but it has stood up to administrative agencies.
SPEAKER 19 :
OK, well, this is exciting and there is a lot going on. And I’ve been watching some of these Supreme Court decisions. And so let’s change gears a little bit. You had a piece in the Epoch Times that you said those of us who have faced discrimination as members of so-called majority groups and indeed all people of goodwill should be cheered by the Supreme Court’s unanimous decision in Ames versus Ohio Department of Youth Services. So unpack this a little bit for us, Rob.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, this was a case that arose out of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In one part of the country, the part of the country covered by the Sixth Federal Circuit, the group of courts below the Supreme Court, when a member of a minority group claimed discrimination, the member of the minority group could establish his case at least for further review, by meeting two criteria. You had to show two different things. But if you were a member of a so-called majority group, such as white males, and of course white males are not a majority, they’re only 30% of the country, but they were considered a majority. If you were a white male, then you had to establish three things in order to proceed with your lawsuit. The case that the Supreme Court decided was Ames versus Ohio Department of Youth Services. This involved a woman who was a heterosexual who had started off at the secretarial level in the Department of Youth Services. She had been promoted to a managerial position. She applied for a further promotion, and she was turned down in favor of a homosexual. Okay, well, that can happen. But then what happened is that she was fired from her existing position, her middle management position, bumped down back to secretarial level, and her position was given to another homosexual. So she claimed that there was a violation of the civil rights law in that she was being discriminated against based upon her sexual identity or gender preference. Now, sexual identity and gender preference really should not be part of the civil rights law, but the Supreme Court five years ago held that it is. So let’s just proceed. So because she’s a member of a so-called majority group, that is to say heterosexuals, she was required to make three showings. And one of the showings that she had to make, which a member of a minority group would have had to make, was to show that her employer was the unusual kind of employer who would discriminate against majorities. Now, that’s very, very difficult to show because you’d have to come up with prior evidence, statistical material, and so forth. The U.S. Supreme Court held unanimously that that was a misreading of the Civil Rights Act. It didn’t matter whether you were a member of a minority group, a majority group, or anything in between. The standards for making out a claim for discrimination are the same. To tell you the truth, Kim, this is an issue that’s very close to my heart because, as you know, I was an academic. I was a law professor for 25 years. And I saw that discrimination against members of so-called majority groups, meaning heterosexual white males, was not something that was unusual. It was something that was rampant. And my own career suffered for it. I was explicitly turned down for promotion to two better law schools. You think of it in that term. for explicitly because I was a white male. There was no secret about it. And then when I talked to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission about it, I was strongly discouraged from proceeding, basically saying that because I was a white male, I was not going to be able to effectively make out a civil rights complaint. Well, it’s very late now. I’m no longer at academia. But it’s good to see my position vindicated by a nine to nothing vote of the Supreme Court.
SPEAKER 19 :
Rob Nadelson, discrimination, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, has been expanded significantly. And it’s moving to a situation that I think could be very dangerous in Colorado with this House Bill 1312, which is, I call it the transgender activist bill. But in that, if you do not call someone by a preferred pronoun… in the public square, you might be accused of discrimination. I don’t think that this is where the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ever thought that it might get to here in America.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, the law you’re referring to in Colorado is Colorado’s state anti-discrimination law, not the Civil Rights Act of 1964, because that’s federal. But let’s lump them together for a the passage of civil rights laws were justified. And they were justified because the government itself had discriminated based on race and other factors for many years, thereby making the playing field fundamentally unfair. But when these laws were passed, they were based mostly upon what are called immutable characteristics. That is to say, if you were discriminated against because you are a woman, you’re discriminated against because you’re a woman, well, there’s nothing, despite what some people might say, there’s nothing really that you can do to change your chromosomes. You’re going to remain a woman. Or discrimination based on race. Those kinds of immutable characteristics were the kind of characteristics that were protected under the original civil rights laws. But as often happens in government… special interests started to capture the legislature and say, hey, protect us too, and they would make out cases. So the most egregious example of this I can think of is the Colorado civil rights law, where they are giving essentially special privileges to people not based on anything they were born with, but on how they choose to act within the workplace. You know, if they come in with some wild wig or some ridiculous hairdo or whatever, and they’re fired for that, they can claim protection under civil rights law. That’s obviously unfair, but it’s even worse because as you expand these civil rights categories, more and more and more, they start to infringe upon other freedoms that people have. For example, under the U.S. Constitution, I have a right to free association. It’s implicit in the First Amendment. That means I’ve got a right not to associate with certain people. I’ve got a freedom of religion. I shouldn’t be forced, for example, to communicate pro-homosexual messages in my work. And yet these so-called civil rights laws, these metastasized civil rights laws, are increasingly conflicting with these other freedoms. And as you know, there have been a series of cases coming out of Colorado. The U.S. Supreme Court has already struck down Colorado twice for anti-religious bias, and the court just granted certiorari on a third one, and there’s another one coming up today. The fact is that this state is now largely controlled by people who are profoundly hostile to traditional religion and are using the civil rights law as kind of a club with which to attack traditional religion.
SPEAKER 19 :
So this is going to be very interesting. You can see how this plays out then in Colorado. I’m talking with Rob Nadelson. He is an expert on the Constitution. And the fourth edition of his book, The Original Constitution, What It Actually Said and Meant, is going to be released very, very soon. And the last time you did an update on it was 2015, right? A lot’s happened.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s been 10 years, yeah.
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SPEAKER 19 :
Welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s kimmonson.com. Also check out the website for the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. That website is americanvaluescenter.org. I’d highly recommend that while the kids are out of school this summer to take a trip down there. Enjoy the beautiful Riverwalk. Have a great lunch on one of the restaurants there and take a look at the Center for American Values website. On the line with me is Rob Nadelson. He is a nationally known constitutional scholar and author whose constitutional research has been cited repeatedly by justices and parties at the U.S. Supreme Court as well as by federal appeals courts and at least 16 state supreme courts. He’s the author of the original constitution, what it actually said and meant, and the fourth edition is right around the corner here, so that’s great. Any other cases that may be coming down the pike that people should know about Rob Nadelson?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, let me mention one or two that have been decided. The so-called ghost gun case, this involved a ban or rather a regulation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives of gun assembly kits. And the court has issued an opinion on that. I think the court got it wrong. It’s not a constitutional case. It’s an interpretation of the Gun Control Act of 1968. My analysis of that particular case has just been posted at townhall.com. So you go to townhall.com and enter Nadelson or Ghost Gun. The article should come up. Another case which I think is rightly decided actually came out in March. and that is TikTok versus Garland. Congress passed legislation saying that the social media platform TikTok had to be divested by its communist Chinese parent or else it couldn’t operate in the United States. And naturally, TikTok complained that that was a violation of the First Amendment, and the court held unanimously it was not a violation of the First Amendment. Unfortunately, in that case, the court got itself all tied up in unnecessary ways, I think, because of the way the court’s First Amendment jurisprudence has evolved. In the 20th century, the Supreme Court basically invented First Amendment jurisprudence instead of going back to what the founders meant by freedom of speech. And as a result, their cases get all confusing and, as I said, tied up. The easy way to think about TikTok versus Garland is this way. Back in 1791, when the First Amendment was adopted, let’s suppose that a newspaper editor was using his newspaper in a circulation and the information he was gathering to spy for a foreign government, say to spy for Spain. Would the federal authorities have been prevented from going against him from spying simply because he was running a newspaper? The answer is no, of course not. And that’s how TikTok should have been decided. TikTok is this big spying organization, basically. And the fact that that includes First Amendment material is really incidental. That’s how the court should have decided it. Instead, what the court did is, as I mentioned, got into these hair-splitting categorizations based upon its wrong-headed jurisprudence of the 20th century. Still, the result was correct, and the result was unanimous.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. And what was that exact result on that, then?
SPEAKER 10 :
Basically, that Congress could ban TikTok.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. But that has not happened yet, has it?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, there have been… The president was delegated authority to extend an exemption for TikTok, and he’s used that, I think, at least twice. He’s trying to use it as a negotiating chip, I think, with the Chinese. I’m not sure I agree with that, but that’s what he’s doing.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. Next thing, we have watched many of these lower court injunctions regarding some of the things that Trump is trying to do. So like an injunction that says that the guy that was here illegally, that got exported back to El Salvador, that he’s supposed to come back. What do you think about all these? I think they’re kind of crazy injunctions. What do you think?
SPEAKER 10 :
This is an issue like the executive order, where I say it depends very much on the case. Each of these injunctions may be issued based upon a different precedent, based upon a different statute, based upon a different collection of facts. And so they have to be viewed one by one. The only generalization I can give you is that I think that the district courts have been overusing… National injunctions. National injunctions were fairly rare until recently when the court started using them, particularly during the first Trump administration. I’m not alone in believing this. I think the justices of the Supreme Court also believe that national injunctions are being overused. As to specific cases, as I said, they differ as much as the laws and the facts differ. Take, for example, the individual whom the president deported under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. There are two big issues there. One is, could the president justifiably trigger the Alien Enemies Act? The Alien Enemies Act would require a showing that the government of Venezuela is participating in an invasion of the United States. by sending their thugs to the United States. I don’t know if that’s true or not. I haven’t seen the facts. I mean, I think that illegal immigration is an invasion, but whether the government of Venezuela is involved in it, I don’t know. And so that’s a fact issue that’s going to have to be determined. The other question is, you know, was this guy who was deported entitled to any due process? I think the answer to that is clearly yes. The U.S. Constitution is very clear. No person, and that would include an illegal alien, can be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. That’s the Constitution. Well, then the next question is, how much due process is he entitled to, and what procedures should be used? So there was a battle over whether he could proceed under the Administrative Procedures Act or whether his sole purpose option was to apply for rid of habeas corpus. The Supreme Court said he’s entitled to procedures, but his option is to apply for rid of habeas corpus. And then if he’s entitled to due process, how extensive does that process have to be? Generally, it’s less for somebody who’s an illegal alien than for somebody who’s a citizen. How much less? Do you see the complexity of these things? I’m not trying to obfuscate this. I’m just saying it is not It is not reducible to soundbite form, Kim.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and it seems to me, though, that these lower court judges are trying to put sand in the gear to stop the Trump agenda.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m sure in some cases that’s true. I’m sure that it’s not true in all cases, but I’m sure in some cases it’s true.
SPEAKER 19 :
And because looking at the 2026 election, if in fact the radical Democrats can take either the House or the Senate, then the Trump agenda and what he’s trying to accomplish would be very, very difficult.
SPEAKER 10 :
Let’s just say something political, not constitutional. Anytime you try to downsize government, or reform government, or introduce more free market reforms, you’re going to get enormous pushback from the establishment, the establishment bureaucracy, the political establishment, and the media. And this is not just true in the United States. This is true in every country around the world where free market reforms have been tried. As a result of this, and this is largely based on the experience of Margaret Thatcher in England and the experience of the Roger Douglas government in the 1980s in New Zealand, as a result, free market and conservative reformers have learned that when you take power, you must move as fast as possible. You’re going to make mistakes along the way. You just have to push it and go as fast as possible. And I’m delighted to see that the Trump administration has learned that lesson, as previous Republican administrations have not. But nevertheless, you can still see the sand, to use your metaphor, the sand being thrown into the gears with an effort to slow things down, to tread water, is another metaphor, until they can gather their forces and fight back. That’s just You know, that’s just what we’re seeing going on here. The Trump administration moving very fast and the establishment pushing back. I’m disappointed by the fact that some things seem to have fallen by the wayside already. I mean, it doesn’t look, for example, like the Department of Education is going to be abolished, even though abolition of the Department of Education has been promised by Republicans again and again and again for the past 50 years. But Abolition is not in the big beautiful bill. Okay. Whether it will happen or not, I don’t know. I’d rather doubt it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. Rob Nadelson, thank you. We are out of time. That’s Rob Nadelson. His book is The Original Constitution, What It Actually Said and Meant. Our quote for the end of the show is from Clarence Thomas. He said, It takes a person with a mission to succeed. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate less well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. You are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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