Join John Rush in a compelling episode of Rush to Reason as he talks with Tony Delgado about immigration issues that resonate deeply within the Latino community. With firsthand accounts from recent discussions held in Washington, D.C., Tony paints a vivid picture of the challenges and hopes tied to immigration reform. The dialogue captures the essence of a nation grappling with its identity, considering both the contributions of long-standing immigrants and the need for legislative change. Listeners will gain insights into the bipartisan efforts striving to mend the divide caused by differing immigration policies. The episode further explores the
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All right. Hour three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us. Tony Delgado joining us now. Tony, welcome back. How are you? I’m good. How are you? I’m doing very well. You are, of course, Latino Wall Street, and you’ve got some things we’re going to talk about here in a moment ago, but we’ve had you on here again in the past. In fact, last time we were on, we were just talking about now the edge, I guess you could say, that the Latino end of things is having when it comes to being in Trump’s camp and so on. We had a good conversation along those lines. You had an important meeting here recently, though, at the White House. Talk about that, if you would.
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Yeah, so… We hosted a series of Latino roundtables, both at the White House and then throughout Washington, D.C., with various leaders, both from the White House administration. and also various members of Congress. And we’re addressing a lot of issues that are important to the Latino community, right? The big, beautiful bill. Also, the economy. And then the biggest hot topic now is the immigration issues and the riots that have been happening across the country. And we brought a nonpartisan coalition down to D.C. So we have both Democrats, Republicans, Independents, just nonpartisan business leaders from across the country all coming down to D.C. and to talk about solutions, right, to talk about what we can do to try to heal the divide in the country. I mean, I think it doesn’t matter if you’re a Democrat or a Republican. It is heartbreaking to watch the city of L.A. on fire and to watch the pain and the destruction that is happening in this country. And, I mean, I think the administration is listening, right? We saw Trump the very next day come and make a statement that he is looking into immigration reform, right? He mentioned people who have been hardworking in this country for 20, 25 years, people who are working in the farm industry, right? Agriculture, hotels, hospitality, you know, restaurants. construction. I think there’s been a lot of business leaders who are Trump supporters who are saying, listen, there are members of our workforce who are honest, they’re hardworking, they’ve been in this country for decades, but their immigration status may be one of these statuses that needs to be looked at. So I’m excited that the president made that announcement and that he is looking into immigration reform. And then also we had a memo from to ICE to tell them to stand down on raids in hotels, hospitalities, restaurants, agriculture, etc. So I definitely think it’s a big shift, and I’m excited that the administration is listening.
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Well, and I appreciate that. I think, too, one thing that I know you and I talked about last time you were here is I’ve known individuals. I know individuals where they are doing their very best to become citizens. They’re going through all of the proper channels. By the way, it’s expensive. Most people have no idea. Tony, you know this, but most people don’t. The average person on the street. has no idea, the average American, how much money it actually costs to become a legal citizen once coming here, and it’s not for the faint of heart. It takes a lot of time and effort and money and legal expenses, as you know, and as you and I talked last time you were here, we have got to figure out a better way to make that happen.
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Yeah, and bureaucracy, right?
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Bureaucracy, too, yes.
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All these different appointments, all this paperwork, right? Like, if I had to go through that process myself, I’d be overwhelmed and And it would be difficult. Right. And because it’s not only hiring a lawyer.
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Tony, I’ll say this. There may be some folks out there that don’t appreciate me saying this, but there are born and raised Americans just like me that would have a hard time meeting the stringent demand of what it takes for an immigrant to come here and become a citizen. And I’m not exaggerating in saying that.
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Absolutely. And the systems that are in place for legal immigration are completely overwhelmed because we had millions and millions of new people coming through this process and overwhelming the system. And, you know, the one quote that I’ve been telling everyone that I met in D.C. is it’s kind of a pendulum swinging. We swung so much in the wrong direction under Biden with millions and millions unforeseen. The official number is 10 million, but that doesn’t include all the people we don’t know about. Other estimates have it at 15 to 20 million people that came into the country in the last four years. And so now the pendulum is swinging the other way. And unfortunately, there’s a lot of innocent bystanders that are getting hit. So I’m excited that the Trump administration is taking a second look. Listen, Latinos, we do not want cartel members here. We do not want open borders. We do not stand for that. But we also need to look at the reality. The reality is a big part of the American workforce is immigrants. We’re a nation of immigrants. You look at the Italians and the Irish in the turn of the last century, and it is the Latinos in the turn of this century. And we need to create a pathway so that they can pay taxes, they can become productive members of society, and we can do things the right way.
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Tony, I’m one where, honestly, I don’t even care. Honestly, I don’t care where they’ve come from. I don’t care. At the end of the day, they could be born here. They could have come here. To your point, I want it done legally. I want closed borders. I want a merit-based immigration system. But at the end of the day, I also know that You know, we do need workers. Our birth rate right now is below what it takes to keep an economy rolling along. We’re, you know, one six or so. And by the way, dropping, we’re not adding to that, which I will say this. And I think I hope I can say this and not not offend anybody. A lot of the immigrants that come to this country. will help us with that birth number, because they still believe in hardcore family values, much like a lot of the rest of us that had kids did. And I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with people not having kids, but Tony, we’re now in a day and age in America where we’re not having enough to keep our economy going. We’ve got to change that.
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No, absolutely. And there’s two main points that I want to touch on. Number one is Right now, the immigration process, you can hate it or love it, but these people are a part of the economy, right? So they’re here illegally. They’re here on asylum. And maybe they’re not asylum seekers legitimately. Maybe they’re not here for political persecution, but they’re here for financial reasons, right? They’re not political asylum seekers. They’re financial refugees, right? They’re coming here for a better life. for better school system, et cetera. So we need to have a way so that they don’t have to lie. They don’t have to go and say, hey, I’m in fear for my life. My government’s going to kill me. That’s what these people have to say now so they can qualify for asylum. So we need a system for these financial refugees, right? The second point that I want to make is whether we like it or not, these people are part of our economy now, right? They are working in all these various industries, right? The hardworking ones, right? Kick out the cartel members. kick out the people who are on welfare, kick out anyone who’s not a productive member of society. But we do have a huge immigrant population that are a part of the American economy. And if you just pull all of these people out full stop, the economy is going to crash.
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No, I can’t disagree with you on that. And I think that’s where I think even Trump understands you’ve got to be a little bit more careful about how you go about some of the things that we’re doing. And everybody wants it done. Everybody, I should say. The majority of people want it done correctly. They want it done right. They don’t just want, you know, willy nilly you show up and all of a sudden. You know, you’re here, you get a job, you get a handout, you get this. No, nobody wants that, Tony. You don’t want that either. I don’t want that. But as I’ve said before, and something else, by the way, that needs to have a revamp is even our visa programs we’ve got when it comes to bringing workers in. The reality, Tony, as you know, and And, again, I’ll complain. I’m a small business owner that can’t participate in some of the HB programs. And the reality is everybody, every company ought to be able to participate in that if they want to right now. As you know, it takes high-powered lawyers and, in some cases, actual company staff members to handle the HB programs that the agricultural industry and or the technology sector have, Tony. And at the end of the day, the small companies can’t participate in that. And in that case, you’re picking winners and losers because the big companies win and the small companies lose.
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Listen, President Trump, he’s not an extremist, right? He has actually deported less people than Obama, less people than Bill Clinton.
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And at the end of the day, he’s a business owner. He owns hotels. He owns restaurants. He’s been in the construction and the real estate industry for years. So he knows that these people are a critical part of the economy. And that’s why I have extreme confidence that he’s going to come up with common-sense immigration reform similar to, if you think about the best Republican president in the last 100 years, besides Abraham Lincoln and Trump, you would think of Ronald Reagan. And Ronald Reagan famously did immigration reform in the 80s. So I think this is going to be a big part of Trump’s legacy. I think it’s going to be a way that he can heal the divide in this country. And I’m just looking forward to seeing what legislation actually gets passed, whether it’s executive order. But I’d really like to see a bipartisan actual law go through the House and the Senate and actually codify it. Right now, immigration has been a way that the Latino community has been abused and used. And they play with our emotions every four years. And I think we finally need to, number one, close the border so we fix the problem and codify some laws to help the people that are here in this country already become productive members of society.
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Tony, I’m with you on that. I think, again, I’ve said this for years and years and years. It’s not just because you’re here now. I’ve been saying this for a decade plus. We need a different immigration system. As an employer myself, I see firsthand the way this works. I see how unfair it is in a lot of different areas. I agree with everything you just said a moment ago. And here’s the reality, Tony. I’m exaggerating here. You and I, and I’m not the smartest guy in the room, by the way, but you and I could sit down in a matter of a few hours and have an immigration system that works really, really well. We just now have to get that passed.
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Yeah, absolutely. We need people to pay their taxes, be productive members of society, right? Not take handouts and not be a burden on the economy. And if they can pass that litmus test, then yeah, they should be allowed to stay and we should create a pathway. There’s two pieces of legislation right now. There’s something called the yellow card legislation. that’s been proposed by an NGO that was on my desk recently. And there’s also the Dignity Act. So there are two pieces of legislation that are floating around, and hopefully one or the other or a combination of the two make it to the president’s desk.
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Keep me updated, Tony. I’d love to hear from you. Before I let you go, the one thing I almost forgot about is talk about the upcoming CPAC Latino conference.
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Yeah, so CPAC Latino, this is a historic event. It’s the first time in the United States that CPAC has hosted a bilingual conference. So we’re going to have headphones there. My organization, Latino Wall Street, is hosting. And we’re going to have headphones there so that if you speak Spanish and the speakers speak in English, you get headphones and vice versa. And, you know, we have world leaders from all around the world. So we have people from Mexico and Brazil and then a lot of members of Congress and people from the White House and a bunch of people who are going to be coming and probably some other surprises. But it’s really, really exciting. It’s the first time we’ve done this. CPACLatino.org is the website, June 28th. And we would love to see you guys there.
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Tony, thank you again. I appreciate your time. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. You bet. Have a great night. Again, Latino Wall Street, he is the CEO of, and he meets with the White House, Trump, and the administration on a pretty routine basis, and I feel honored to have him and kind of get some insight into what’s going on on that end of things. Golden Eagle Financial is next. Al Smith, he did a great interview here of late. Listen in. We’ll be back right after that.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Now, in response to a lot of what even Tony and I were talking about, and I think he would agree with me on this, there is another stigma that I feel is out there that I would like to see go away, and I know it’s a big deal for a lot of you listening, and that is the simple fact that there are people out there that will claim, and we had this argument with Jordan Goodman yesterday, on our program once a month, and that is that there’s just certain jobs no one else will do except immigrants. I don’t believe that either. Now, I do think that there are very spoiled Americans that don’t like doing certain jobs, but I do feel like if we would get back into promoting the trades and some of the things along those lines like we’re now doing, in fact, even Donald Trump is doing some of this, I do feel like if we put some… And I shouldn’t feel bad about talking about this because I’ve been in that world my whole life. That’s the only side of things I’ve really ever worked on is the, and I hate the term blue collar, white collar, but I’ve been on the blue collar side the majority of my life. I’ve been an auto shop owner, started out as a paper boy, then became just a helper in a car dealership, and then an auto technician, and, and, and. And have always worked and even owned businesses that are in that world. So at the end of the day, I understand that very well. And I also understand a lot of the stigma that can come with even having a blue collar job, which, by the way, is wrong. It’s wrong. And if you’ve never experienced that stigma, you don’t understand what I’m talking about. And not everybody has. I have. I’ve had it from strangers. I’ve had it from even family members, believe it or not, whereby somebody will ask you, you know, you meet a distant family member, and somebody will ask you, you know, what do you do for a living? And I can remember back in the day where, you know, I was just an auto technician at an auto shop, and you’d say something like that, and you could just feel the degrading stares and attitude coming back towards you because of what you did because it wasn’t a quote-unquote high-tech, high-dollar job. So I understand what that feeling’s like. I’m not saying I understand exactly what it’s like to be an immigrant and come here and work your tail off and have some of that stigma as well, but I know what it’s like to be a blue-collar worker, quote-unquote, and have people look down on you because you are. In fact, I got to the point where I got so tired of that feeling, that stigma, when you would meet somebody someplace, a dinner party or whatever, and they asked you what you did, I started saying, I’m into oil. I’m not joking. Charlie’s laughing at me because I wasn’t lying. I’m not somebody that lies either. I’m not going to lie in fib. And I wasn’t lying because I was literally into oil daily. Now, if they started pressing and they’d start to ask a few more questions, but typically when you said, well, I’m into oil, they’d look at you like, oh, oh, you know, because now you’re a big oil man, I guess. Well, you’re at the end of the day. I put my pants on one leg at a time just like everybody else does. I’ve never looked at what somebody did for a living as their status in life. And maybe because of my upbringing, where I’ve come from, I’ve never looked at that. I think it’s why, for me, I get people all the time that ask, geez, John, I had somebody ask me this the other day, who’s your most exciting interview that you’ve ever had on air? And I’m thinking, I don’t know. I honestly, I’m like, I don’t have an answer for that. I’ve never been asked that question before, and I don’t know. I said, I have a lot of great guests. Some come back on a routine basis. Some of them are of a high status in life. Some are probably not so high a status in life. I said, I’ve kind of interviewed everybody in between, literally everybody from Donald Trump Jr. on down. I mean, there’s really not too many people we haven’t interviewed. But I guess for me personally, I don’t look at any of them any differently from one to the other. And this is not a joke. You guys don’t see a lot of things that happen behind the scenes. But there will be times where, you know, I give Charlie kind of our guest list, who’s coming on today, what phone numbers does he need to call, or are they calling in, and so on. And he’ll say something even before somebody comes on. He’ll say, do you know who so-and-so is? And I’ll be like, I don’t know. It’s our next guest. Well, they’re this, this, this, and this, and this. And I’m like, oh, okay. Well, I don’t go research these people. I get my documents that come from the publicist that went to get them on air. And depending upon what information they do or don’t put in there, I don’t go research somebody to find out how many other talk shows they’ve been or what they’ve done here or what they’ve done there or what book they wrote or what actor they used to be or actress they used to be and on and on we go. And I guess because at the end of the day, I don’t really care. They’re coming on to talk about a particular topic. That’s what we’re going to talk about. I mean, it’s an honor to talk to some of these people because of their background, but I also feel like, and Charlie gets this comment from a lot of them at times, I don’t treat them any differently than I do anybody else, and they can tell that when they come on air. Oh, the only exception was the mole lady. That’s right. And she was one where she was in the series, right? She was, yeah, she was on, she came on our show talking about a book, but she was a guest on one of those particular shows. And yeah, it was called The Mole, right? Wasn’t that the series, Charlie? It was called The Mole. She was a little different. Yeah. And we started talking to her about that and so on. And anyways, bottom line, I always have a good conversation with the guests that we have on. And typically, even in some cases after and I’m not tooting my own horn, but a lot of times I’ll even hang up or Charlie will get on the phone with them. Or sometimes I’ll even call back and talk about, hey, that was a really great interview. I appreciate you just treating me like I’m. You know, anybody else, I don’t need to have any accolades or anything along those lines, and I really appreciate that. And I feel honored when they say that because I don’t look at any of these people any differently. Yeah, and Charlie, thank you. Yeah, and I guess because of my blue-collar background, I don’t go off the script. And you guys all don’t know this, but I get a script pretty much, recommended questions for all these people that come on. I don’t use it. I don’t even read the questions. I ignore that entire part of the little blurb that I get on this particular guest. I don’t read any of that. I’m supposed to probably, but I just have a conversation. You guys know me by now. I don’t worry about it. I just have a conversation. Where I’m going with all of this is going back to I understand what it’s like to have a job and a career that’s looked down on, not looked up on. And maybe that gives me a little better roots to some of these guests that we have on and so on because I don’t look at them any differently one to the other. But I do. I know what it’s like to be at, you know, different places, church, dinner parties, different events, political events even, things that you attend. And somebody says, you know, what do you do for a living? And, you know, again, at one time I would say, well, you know, I’m an auto technician or I own an auto shop or whatever the case may be. And, again, I – I can’t describe to you how many times people would look at you, look at me, and you could just feel the judgment from them, literally to the point where I finally started saying I’m into oil. And my standard answer now, some of you may say, well, what do you say now, John, with all the different things that you do? Believe it or not, and my wife will testify to this, some of you will say, so what do you do? I wear a lot of hats. That’s my standard answer. And she’ll look at me like, she just shakes her head. And literally, I’ll say, I wear a lot of hats. And they’ll say, well, give me one. Well, you own some businesses. Okay. I rarely, rarely, if ever, tell anybody I’m a talk show host. It’s just not something that comes out of… My mouth for me, it’s not a big deal. I do what I do here to be with all of you, to inform all of you what’s going on. And I learn every day from all of you as well. But I don’t look at it as anything major. And sometimes the conversation might go a little bit further. And finally, somebody figures out what I actually do. And to them, it’s a bigger deal than it is to me because I don’t really see it as a big deal. It’s part of what we do here on a daily basis and all the different programs I have and what we do on the weekends and trying to help people with their vehicles. I had a really great caller this last week on Drive Radio talking about how much they appreciate the fact that we’re there to really help the motoring public. Yes, we have a lot of sponsors, and all those sponsors help make the program happen. But at the end of the day, even they are here to help the motoring public and assist them in the different things that we do every single Saturday. And I felt honored to have a phone call like that, that, you know, yeah, we are here for that reason. That’s the biggest reason we’re here is at the end of the day, how can we help somebody with their car problem or their car purchase or their car sale or their whatever it takes when it comes to getting from A to B. And I really appreciate that. you know, that end of things, especially when folks call in and say things like that. But, you know, really quick, bottom line, one of the things that I would love to see happen when it comes to the whole immigration thing is this whole mantra of, oh, you know, Americans won’t do those jobs. That’s BS. They will. I do believe that we need to do some retraining of some individuals to have some jobs done. And as I said with Tony Delgado a few minutes ago in the last segment, yes, I still believe that we need a certain amount of individuals to come in and help us with a lot of those jobs. And I’ll just say it straight up, too. And this is not being derogatory at all. There are certain individuals… And either how they’ve been raised or what they’ve done or their body build or what have you that do better at some jobs than others do. Concrete flat work, for example. One of those things where you will find folks that are coming from south of the border that do fabulous flat work because in some cases they’ve probably done it their whole life. And finding somebody here and training them and getting them to do the concrete flat work like some of these individuals do that are coming from other countries, good luck. Yes, there are some American born, raised, and so on that can do that. But I will tell you straight up, few and far between from what we have coming up from places like Mexico, Guatemala, on down the line we go. Reality is it’s not the same. And these are the things, by the way, that the average conservative and the average person in the press have no idea what I just talked about because they’re not in that world and they don’t understand it. So even when it comes to agricultural and even some of that care, keep in mind some of these folks are coming from places where it’s warm all year long. They’re doing agricultural-type services where they’ve come from all of the time. We’re here in Colorado. We do it six, seven months out of the year. So these people are coming with far more experience than our people. Even somebody coming from there with 10 years experience has what somebody that’s been born and raised in Colorado has for 20 years because the way our seasons work. Anyways, I’m digressing. Bottom line is I want to get rid of this stigma and this saying that happens a lot of times on the liberal side of the fence, especially whereby they say, well, they’re doing jobs nobody else will do. That’s partially true, and there’s some partial truth to that, but it’s not 100% truthful. And case in point, by the way, there was the big raid that happened in Nebraska. Happened, I believe, a week ago in Omaha. And since then, they literally have had every seat in their waiting area. It’s Glen Valley Foods. They have literally had every seat in their waiting area full with people filling out job applications and wanting a job there. So, no, it isn’t true that nobody else will do these jobs. A lot of it comes down to how are we advertising? How are we paying? How are we structuring? All of those different things can come into play as well. Now, all that being said, are there certain sects and certain industries and certain areas where it’s harder to find those types of people that will do said work? Absolutely, that’s the case as well. This is a larger topic, by the way, than I think most people really put any effort into thinking about, and a lot of people get very pigeonholed into thinking one way and one way only, and they don’t take every single facet of what I’m talking about into play when it comes to all of what’s involved in this particular topic. I’ll leave it at that. Geno’s Auto Service coming up next. Speaking of automotive, being into oil, by the way, Geno’s Auto Service is there to help you with all of your vehicle needs, including right now your air conditioning. They’ve got a great deal right now when it comes to air conditioning services. Give them a call today. Find them by going to genosautoservice.com, and Geno starts with a J.
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The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason. All right, we are back. John and Cheyenne, what’s going on?
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, a couple of quick comments. First thing, liberals say… they won’t do the work where they should say they won’t do the work for slave wages.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Good point. And that goes back to some of Tony’s comments about, you know, the exploitation and just the way they get taken advantage of. That’s not fair either, John. Not at all.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, not at all. But that’s where I’ve always said, and it will never happen, is If they perp walk the CEO of a corporation that goes out of their way to hire illegals, like the prime example you always read about it was Swift Meats.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
And they said, no, no, no. You’re in charge. You let your people hire them. You’re arrested. And even just do it once or twice. corporations would stop hiring illegals under the table for slave wages or with, you know, 10 guys with the same social security number.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
You read about that.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you’re right. No, you’re right. And to your point, us chamber of commerce won’t ever let that happen.
SPEAKER 11 :
That is, and that is where you need somebody who does like a Trump who doesn’t care.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Correct. But the rest of the ones under Trump, like a dance, and I’m not saying he’s not a good man, But he’s looking to stay in politics, and that could derail his career.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and that’s where a lot of education is going to have to come in line along a lot of those.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. So going back to your 330 guest from Jeffco. Yes. I just heard Kevin Flesch’s commercial, and that should be the first thing you say when somebody comes to your house because maybe you had to shoot somebody in your house. I’m sorry. I don’t answer any questions without my attorney. Right, right. And then that’s it. and you just tell the cops, nope, I want an attorney, and they can’t ask you questions until you get one, and that’s the way you save yourself. Let your attorney do the talking. That’s what they get paid a lot of money for. Last thing, I didn’t hear the whole show. I was doing some. Did you talk about the military parade on Saturday?
SPEAKER 03 :
I did not yet, no. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, well, let me just tell you something. Being in the Army for almost 12 years and getting early, parade duty is the worst. And let me tell you why. So say the parade’s at 11 o’clock. So the battalion commander’s going to tell the company commander, I want everybody there by 1030. So then the company commander’s going to tell the first sergeant, I want everybody ready at 10 o’clock. And then the first sergeant’s going to say, well, tell the patrol sergeant, I want everybody outside at 930. And it just keeps rolling downhill. So for an 11 o’clock parade, you’re standing outside at 730 in the morning. Because your squad leader wants to check you out. Then your platoon sergeant. Then your first. You know, they all want to do their inspections to make sure everybody’s right. And it turns a two-hour parade into a nine-hour ordeal that nobody wants to do. So, yeah, the guys look great. They marched. They had a good. Not one of those guys above the rank. of Staff Sergeant wanted to be there. I’ll just tell you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and really, I want to add something to what you’re saying, too, because there’s a lot of folks on the left talking about how that was, you know, $45 million, what the expense was to do that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, how much of that could we have done, you know, this with and that with? And what they all don’t realize is the Army petitioned for that under Joe Biden, got approved by Joe Biden. Donald Trump had nothing to do with that whatsoever.
SPEAKER 11 :
Other than letting it, he could have stopped it if he wanted to, but why would he?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it’s a celebration of the Army. Why would you? The Army, 250 years.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, why would you? But I always laugh when they say, oh, the guys love Martin. I’ve never met a soldier that liked to march in parades.
SPEAKER 03 :
I can’t imagine anything more miserable. Just saying.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s a crafty. And even the guys that were, like, driving the tanks. Well, that tank, I’m sure, was inspected by everybody but from the crew chief or the tank commander all the way up to the battalion commander to make sure it was perfect, which means the maintenance guys probably spent a week of 12- to 15-hour days making sure everything was perfect on those tanks. So it’s not like, oh, they had to—not one person. I just wanted to say this, and any of the other vets out there will probably agree with me. Nobody wants to march in a parade. Even if, say, the guys coming back from World War II that got off the ship in New York and had a ticker day parade, they didn’t even want to do it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, right. Yeah, makes total sense.
SPEAKER 11 :
I just wanted to throw that out there. I thought you may have talked about it already.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, never got to it earlier. We had too much other stuff to do.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, yeah. No worries. You have a great day.
SPEAKER 03 :
You too, John. Appreciate you very much. Thanks for the phone call. Joe, you’re next. Go ahead. John, two things.
SPEAKER 08 :
One, I’ve got an update on that Air India crash, but do you mind if I give a plug to the Prison Fellowship? Yeah, go right ahead. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
Great, great organization, by the way.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was not even aware they existed, but the Prison Fellowship, and it’s prisonfellowship.org, their whole thing is they distribute Bibles to prisoners.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure do. Have done it for years now, decades. and if and by the way and we all know that colson yeah chuck colson founded that i don’t because he was in prison and realized the yeah he was out of watergate of course is where his background and all i came from so yeah joe he started that ministry after coming out of being in prison and realizing the need it was there and it’s a great organization you know i’ve done i’ve done a lot of research you know in the last two hours and it is a great organization and
SPEAKER 08 :
Given the prevalence of the Muslim Koran in prisons, I think it’s great that we get as many Bibles as we possibly can in the hands of prisoners. Because if they’re going to be in there five, ten years, I’d rather they be reading the Bible than the Koran.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree, Joe.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 03 :
So thank you, by the way. And it’s something that we used to have. It’s probably been before even you started listening to us, Joe. We used to have some commentary by Chuck Colson that would run top of the hour. And we still do occasionally. Breakpoint is that. But it used to be Chuck would actually, when he was still alive, he would actually do some of the commentary. That’s really what I’m referring to more is at one time he was the actual commentator until he passed.
SPEAKER 08 :
And if you don’t want to send money, you’ve got a Bible, they’ll take it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Give one. Donate it. That’s right. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
If you’ve got a Bible, or maybe you have parents passed away, and you’ve got an extra Bible.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you know what? Speaking of, I think I probably have about a dozen from my mom. You just gave me a really great idea of where some of those should go, Joe. Thank you for it. I should have known that, but thank you for the reminder.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, and again, both my parents have passed away in the last five years, and I’ve got a couple of Bibles, and that’s exactly—I’m going to box them up.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what? You just helped me. I appreciate that. I will do the same thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, good. All right, well, I’m glad we were able to— That’s awesome.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, that’s a great announcement, Joe. Thank you. We don’t talk about some of that stuff near enough, and to your point, if we can get Bibles in the hands of inmates instead of the Koran, absolutely we should be doing that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep. So I’m glad, John, you’re familiar with the organization.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, thank you. Perfect.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. I looked at a lot of videos, including some videos of the crashing, and it turns out I was wrong, John. The flaps were extended. So that is gone. But what is interesting is that the gear was down. And normally when you take off, the very first thing you do is you clear the end of the runway. The very first thing you do is retract the gear because the gear adds no lift, but it adds drag. So the very first thing that comes up is the gear.
SPEAKER 03 :
You suppose they were starting to have engine failure, you know, shortly thereafter, and that’s why they never got gear up?
SPEAKER 08 :
And that would, you know, if both engines failed, and by the way, RAT stands for Ram Air Turbine, by the way, that’s what it is. And by the way, the slower you go, the less effective it is because it’s basically like a little windmill.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. Thank you. Thank you for the windmill description. That’s exactly what it is.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and it’s a little windmill inside of a tube. It’s a turbine. In other words, it’s like a sleeve, and in the middle, it’s like a pipe. And inside that pipe is this little propeller, and that’s why it’s called Ram Air, because it’s got a big mouth on it. And as the air comes in through in the mouth of that tube, it gets to the propeller that’s in the middle and spins it, and it makes a little turbine. And unfortunately, the slower you go, the less power it generates. But if they had lost engine power, which powers the generators – that would explain why they couldn’t bring the gear up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. Flats and everything are already, for all of you listening, and I’ve done a little bit of research on this since you and I talked last week as well, that airplane, the checklist in and of itself, probably from everything I’ve read, Joe, would not have even allowed them to attempt takeoff without having the flaps set correctly in the first place. That thing is all electronically controlled where unless they just somehow overrode it, and I don’t know enough about the airplane to know how that works, but everything I read, that would almost be an impossibility.
SPEAKER 08 :
You could pop a breaker, but you’re right, John. And I was incorrect, because even the crash photos, they show sections of the wing. They have pictures of the wing sections on the ground, and both there are photos in the air and photos of the wing section at the crash site showing the flaps are deployed. But what is odd is that the gear was down, because normally the first thing you do, gear up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because it helps your aerodynamics immensely.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, you get rid of all that drag.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
So the fact that the gear was still down.
SPEAKER 03 :
So then, you know, we go back to and again, I and I had perceived some things wrong last week. And that’s why, you know, you just don’t jump to conclusions. You start learning more about what goes on. Charlie’s advice is always great. You just can’t say a whole lot until you get into a little bit more and start learning more and more and more as stuff starts to. to develop. Even this shooter in Minnesota, same thing. I’m not going to say a whole lot on that until you know more, because a lot more things will come out over the next week than what we know today, a couple of days afterwards. But in this particular case, Joe, I’m pretty confident from everything that I have seen and read and the rat being down and so on, that there was a double engine failure, which is almost unheard of. And by the way, I think I did read this as well, and maybe you did. No, it wasn’t a bird strike. There were no bird… uh, trailings, anything like that on the runway where they would have hit a bird or anything along those lines. So it’s not a double bird strike or anything, you know, weird like that, Joe, something happened in those engines shut down. And I’m not sure we, I’m not sure right now, anybody knows why.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, we don’t. But John, at this point, I think you’re right. It would appear that they lost power. And the only way they would lost electrical power. And the only way they would lose electrical power is that they lost both engines. which would explain why the rat dropped down. And the rat at that low speed wouldn’t be generating that little tiny… It’s a teeny bit, yeah. It wouldn’t generate enough power to raise the gear. So it looks like for some… Again, as you said, dual engine failure is almost unheard of unless you have fuel exhaustion.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and that’s where, again, even as a car guy, I mean, your total engine failure in a car, there’s typically two things that cause it. Well, there’s only two things that cause it, lack of fuel, lack of spark, which any more on modern engines, Joe, the lack of spark rarely, if ever, occurs, especially on multiple cylinders at once. So, you know, it’s either a complete electrical failure, which just doesn’t happen that often on modern cars, nor does it happen often on modern planes. Then you’ve got to start looking at fuel because, yes, that can happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
And on a turbine, John, once a turbine lights, the flame is self-sustaining.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
There’s no ignition.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s no spark. It’s not like a car that has a spark plug.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, there are no spark plugs. There’s no ignition system. There’s no alternator that’s feeding the engine with electricity. Once that turbine lights… As long as there’s fuel going, as I said earlier, once there’s fuel going into a turbine or jet engine, which is a turbine engine, it’s self-sustaining. The only way to shut it off is to choke off the fuel. So clearly, you know, and there was some speculation what if it’s the wrong fuel, but they’ll burn almost anything except water. And if it was the wrong fuel, other planes would have suffered the same experience.
SPEAKER 03 :
True. Good point. Something had to have just – and I don’t know. And again, Joe, that is not an area of my expertise to sit there and diagnose and say, yeah, this is pretty much what could have happened. And as I said earlier, we may not know. We probably won’t know, start dragging the black box out. But then mechanically speaking, they’ll be dragging through that thing for a year.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, yep, yep.
SPEAKER 03 :
Tragedy.
SPEAKER 08 :
So anyway, so I was wrong about the flaps not being deployed. They were deployed. The gear being down is very indicative of something going wrong, along with the rad. So it appears they lost engine power, which resulted in electrical failure, which, of course, you know, at that point, with dual engine failure, you’re not going to fly, and that’s what happened.
SPEAKER 03 :
And last but not least, how did one guy walk away?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, the plane bellied in. You know, that’s quite the impact. Now, they were, what, 200, 300 feet in the air in the plane? And there was a lot of crush. You know, you’ve got the baggage compartment under the passenger compartment. So you’ve got a lot of crumple zone there. And then, of course, the seat, you know, the distance between your seat and the floor of the cabin compartment. So there was a tremendous amount of crumple zone, and he was at a window exit, which helped. But that’s the only way I can think of. He was saved by all the crumple zone.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that guy, he ought to go buy a lottery ticket or something, Joe. That’s the luckiest guy on the planet.
SPEAKER 08 :
You can say that again. You walk away, 242 people, and he walked away. Unbelievable.
SPEAKER 03 :
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