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In this thought-provoking episode of The Kim Monson Show, explore the theme of resilience as Kim and her guests tackle the growing tension between personal freedoms and government mandates. Whether it’s through discussing property rights or the implications of the latest legal headlines, Kim emphasizes the vital role of informed citizens in shaping public discourse. Mary Jansen joins the conversation, offering expertise on local zoning issues in Lakewood, which threaten to alter the landscape of property ownership and community living. Her insights reveal the potential consequences of legislative changes and stress the importance of vigilance and public awareness. Listeners
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to The Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And we’ve got another great show planned for you, so fasten your seatbelts. Check out the website. That is kimmonson.com. That’s M-O-N-S-O-N.com. While you’re there, make sure you’re signed up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays. You’ll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com. Text line is 720-605-0647. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it’s not compassionate nor altruistic to take other people’s rights, property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunities, childhoods, or lives via force. Force can be a weapon, but we see it with policy and unpredictable in excess of taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the agenda of the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites playing that out in the United Nations themselves. Colorado State Legislature, this governor, Colorado governor. And then land use codes, zoning regulations. We’ll talk with Mary Jansen about a whole rewrite that Lakewood is doing on their zoning. We had Karen Gorday on yesterday talking about this. And so this changes property rights significantly. And so all of these different things can be taking your stuff. And property, owning property was inherent within the American idea. And remember, my friends, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. And on the show, we focus on the issues, and we’ll talk about the people involved in those issues. We really work to stay out of all the personality fighting out there. I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show, because it’s reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal. that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And Bob Boswell, the CEO of Laramie Energy, will be our featured guest later on in this hour. And we’ll be talking initially about the Trump’s EPA, Environmental Protection Agency, is moving to repeal power plant emissions rules. I think this is a pretty big deal, but we’ll talk with Bob about that. Our word of the day is resilience. And it is R-E-S-I-L-I-E-N-C-E. And it’s the ability to recover quickly from illness, change, or misfortune. Buoyancy. It could be the property of a material that enables it to resume its original shape or position after being bent, stretched, or compressed. So elasticity. or the act of springing back, rebounding, or resilient. And so resilience, R-E-S-I-L-I-E-N-C-E, is I think that the American people, and in particular the people of Colorado, are very resilient. And we will have a lot of resilience as we are fighting to reclaim this beautiful state and country that we love. And it’s anonymous on our quote of the day, but resilience means the ability to recover, adapt, and grow through adversity. And so your challenge is to use the word resilience or resiliency in a sentence form. today. Also, I wanted to say thank you to Hooters Restaurants for their sponsorship of the show. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs, and great sponsors of both the Kim Monson Show and America’s Veterans Stories. And speaking of America’s Veterans Stories, I was out at Fort Logan yesterday as World War II, Iwo Jima, Battle of Iwo Jima, veteran Don Whipple was laid to rest. His memorial service is a little bit later today, and I will certainly be going to that as well. But these stories of our veterans, these men and women that put their lives on the line for us, it’s so important that we hear them and we remember and we reflect, and that’s why we do America’s Veterans Stories. That’s on Sunday afternoons, 3 to 4 p.m., And Hooters Restaurants is a great sponsor of both of the shows. And again, they have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Check out their lunch specials Monday through Friday, and they also have happy hour specials as well. Let’s see, this evening I’m going to be speaking at the Chainsaw Caucus. Thank you, Hannah Goodman, for inviting me. And we’ll be talking about the great work that the Colorado Union of Taxpayers does. And the Colorado Union of Taxpayers is an all-volunteer group. We are watching legislation. I think that we’ll be looking at ballot initiatives and some of these local tax questions as well. But this is an all-volunteer group. When you see these people, say thank you. And that’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, David Evans, Corey Onizori, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And I thank all of them for being fellow Colorado Union of Taxpayers board members. We’d love to have you join us. We’re working on our ratings report for the 2025 legislature. And go to our website. That’s coloradotaxpayer.org. And you can sign up there. The show does come to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour is rebroadcast 10 to 11 at night. And that is on all KLZ.org. platforms, KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And then within typically about 24 hours, all the shows can be found at Spotify and iTunes as well. Going through some of these headlines, the first one is the jury Returns the verdict. This is from Nine News in the MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell’s Denver defamation trial. And hold on here. Let me get to it. Says a jury found MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell liable in the defamation case brought by former Dominion Voting Systems executive Eric Coomer. and that the decision came down yesterday. It says, Lindell made several claims, and again, this is from Nine News, okay? Lindell made several claims that Dominion Voting Systems and Coomer rigged the 2020 presidential election over the years, but the jury found Lindell himself was responsible for only two of them, one made on May 9, 2021, and one on April 6, 2022. It says Lindell owes Coomer $440,500 in combined economic and non-economic damages. The jury did not find that Lindell had acted recklessly and similarly did not find he inflicted emotional distress or participate in a civil conspiracy against Coomer. The jury found Lindell’s company, Frank Speech, liable for three statements made on the platform and found the company did both act recklessly and inflict emotional distress on Coomer. Frank Speech owes Coomer $1,865,500 in combined economic, non-economic, and punitive damages. Lindell’s company, MyPillow, wasn’t found liable at all. In total, Coomer is coming away with a fraction of what he asked for, a total of $2.3 million, as opposed to $62.7 million. Only $300,000 of that is punitive damages, which are meant to punish a defendant and serve as an example to others. And so I think that Coomer makes his statement, and then according to Lindell, the verdict was a win for free speech. He said, my pillow is 100% vindicated, and it’s a huge breakthrough for free speech and our First Amendment rights. He said the jury’s decision is not going to stop him from speaking out against election rigging, and more specifically from making the claims he’s been making all along. You would think I’m not going to tell them that they’re blocking our elections from getting secure. I will keep up the fight, Lindell said. You know, am I going to say let’s melt them voting machines down and turn them into prison bars? Yeah, probably. So I think given all of this, it’s relatively positive, I think, for Lindell. So next headline that I found, this is from Nine News also, is Colorado takes down campaign finance reporting site after the Minnesota lawmaker shootings. And it says the Secretary of State’s office said the decision was made to briefly take down the website out of an abundance of caution for the safety of Colorado’s elected leaders after consulting with state and legislative leadership. Colorado’s Transparency in Contribution and Expenditure Reporting Tracer database is where you can find campaign-related information about candidates. That includes affidavits to run for office and campaign finance reports, which often include a candidate’s home address and phone number, unless they are requested to be redacted. The database can also include names and home or work addresses for campaign donors. A campaign and political finance rule allows the removal of personal information from the database if someone believes their safety or a family member’s safety is at risk because of information disclosed on any campaign finance registration or report. The Secretary of State’s office did not say when the website would be back up. And I find that interesting. very interesting that they would do that. And in fact, I was looking something up on Tracer the other morning and it said the site was down for service. And I thought, huh, that’s super interesting. Now we know why. And then a couple of things from California. This high-speed rail in California is costing billions of dollars. It’s kind of from nowhere to nowhere. And this is being reported by the Tampa Free Press. It says California CHSRA, their railroad, demands federal dollars, federal tax dollars for high-speed rail boondoggle. And it says it acknowledged that its high-speed rail project has a $7 billion funding gap and hundreds of miles to complete, but the state is still demanding that the Trump administration keep federal funds flowing. The California High Speed Rail Authority, CHSRA, sent a letter on Thursday demanding that the Department of Transportation walk back its threat to pull roughly $4 billion from the state’s oft-delayed efforts to connect major cities by bullet train. The CHSRA called the Trump administration’s threat unwarranted and unjustified. I’m like, wait a minute. You’re way behind schedule. The cost is significant. People probably aren’t going to ride it. It’s significantly subsidized. And so anyway, they said it’s unwarranted, unjustified. I have to say that I agree with the Trump administration on this. And we have these important discussions because we have amazing sponsors. And one of those is the Roger Mangat State Farm Insurance Team. 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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And are you ready for financial freedom? Well, call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. As an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, they always put your interests first. Mint means more than money. It stands for a meaningful relationship, information sharing, a network of smart strategies, and a thoughtful advisor who puts you in control. No cookie cutter plans. Everything’s tailored to you. Call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080. That’s 303-285-3080. Pleased to have on the line with me my fellow cut board member, and that is Mary Janssen with Janssen Photography. Mary, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. This is a soggy, soggy, soggy morning.
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It is a soggy morning. I was a little surprised. I hadn’t really paid attention to the weather. But I never complain. Being a Kansas farm girl, I never complain about rain. We always like rain.
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Correct. Yes. Right when I get everything watered yesterday and now it rains. Well, thank you for watering because that’s why it rained. So thank you. Right. Yes. I’m out at the airport. I had to drop my son off. I’m at the cell phone lot sitting here for our interview.
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OK, well, good. Well. So, Mary, you are Mary Jansen is a fellow cut board member, Colorado Union Taxpayer Board member. But you also served on Lakewood City Council. And we had Karen Gorday on yesterday. And she has done a deep dive into this zoning rewrite in Lakewood, which is a significant, I think, assault upon property rights. But what’s your perspective on it?
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Well, so I served 2022 and 2023. And back then, they were doing all this housing development, housing this, you know, affordable. We need affordable housing. We have a crisis. We have to get these people houses and get them homes. So there was this big push. And there. And you know what, I’m not at my office, I don’t have my bill numbers. So I’m just going to kind of describe them.
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And the one of them was the right of first refusal, which I thought was kind of strange, which was for government would have the right of first refusal to purchase apartment buildings, I think, above a certain amount of units, right?
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Correct. Yes. And I’m starting to connect the dots of why that was in there. And, and I was on the legislative committee and also the mayor, and I was a minority voter, but I felt like I was there to shine a light, right? Say, okay, I got to figure out what all this stuff means. And so my other fellow counselor who was on my side, there was only two of us. So there were three against two and the three always were right at us, but they had to come to, we had to vote in synchrony for support. And we would support the state legislative bills. Well, this one came up and I looked at my fellow counselor and I said, I don’t think this is right. And now I know why. Because in the zoning that Karen uncovered, it says in there that they’re going to raise our, it will raise our property values. Well, of course, if you raise property values, what happens?
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Your taxes go up.
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Our taxes go up. And if they’re bringing in all these apartment houses and we’re just flooded, so we have all these empty apartment houses. And then also there was rent control, too. And if you see the rent control, and of course I voted that down, too, so they weren’t able to pass anything when Rich and I were on council because we were against all that. But of course, as soon as I left, I saw all this stuff going through the state legislative. And then that city council, they weren’t, I don’t even think they were even paying attention to what was going on. So that stuff all passed. And then when those prices go up, those apartment houses, they can’t afford to keep it. So they go to sell their apartment, but they have to go to the government first. Yeah. What’s going to happen? We’re going to have all this government housing?
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That worked out really well for Chicago, didn’t it?
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Correct. I mean, this is the model, but there’s so far, there’s so many steps ahead of us. And having someone like Karen shine the light on this, it’s amazing. It was a total God moment. But it has been in place for quite a while. So people say, well, I don’t want to be the only one on council that’s going to be the no vote. And you say, well, sometimes you’re the flashlight, right?
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Right, right, right, right, right. Hold on here. And I wanted to get to this text between. you and karen because i think she said that her piece was published maybe she emailed me that her piece was published i’ll have to find that which was really shedding light on all of this as well and that that was like in the lakewood recorder is that right do you remember
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The Lakewood Informer.
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Informer. Okay.
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Yeah, I suggest everyone get a subscription to that because people just don’t know what’s going on. And you know what? Our government wants it like that. They just don’t want to tell you what’s going on because they think they know what’s best for you. Yeah, and it’s interesting. When I went online to try to see what what the zoning amendments were, there’s nothing posted. So how can they run these meetings, these open meetings when they’re not posting anything?
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Yes, and so you and I were going to talk a little bit about strategy because I also was on city council, and there can be a real political strategy to get things passed without the public’s real knowledge. And I had a situation where it was, oh, gosh, it was, now I can’t remember what it was called, but it would be for that whole big development on the east side of of i-25 ridge gate and we kept uh knowing that they were going to do some changes to that and i kept asking what are those changes and i was on city council didn’t get an answer didn’t get an answer then finally the meeting right before christmas The mayor put it on the agenda and I got notification on like Thursday or Friday. The meeting was on Tuesday and I talked to the city manager and I said, oh, I’m surprised this is here. I’ve been asking about it. I said, but they’ll have to be a second reading. And he said, whatever it was, he goes, no, there doesn’t have to be a second reading. So they put it on right before Christmas. Nobody’s paying attention. Didn’t have to do a second reading. And there you go. It’s done. Right. And so you and I both seen those strategies to hide it. Ultimately, it hides it from the public.
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Yes, it does. It totally does. After… you think you’re doing something and you’re not. So like I said, the only thing you can do is just shed the light and let the public know and use your resources, use CUT. So they’re reading the bills. And so you can kind of understand, oh, this is a bad bill. And also use things like the Lakewood Informer, which actually has amazing, everybody says it’s misinformation. It’s not, it’s not. These people that are writing for the Lakewood Informer are, actually fact-based. They know what they’re doing. And so if you read that, you’re getting informed. Everybody needs to get informed.
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Well, and this whole zoning rewrite, there’s not much transparency in it whatsoever, is there?
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No, not when they they don’t post anything and they say, trust us. I remember another counselor said, just trust us. And I remember one of them saying, well, we can’t we can’t do anything because Mary’s going to just let everybody know what’s going on. And I’m like, yes.
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You betcha. Like you say. This is so significant. People will be living on top of each other. They’ll be driving around trying to find places to park. And the agenda here is to put people into apartment buildings and make it so difficult for them to have vehicles that they won’t have vehicles. I don’t know how you would have an electric vehicle in all that density. I know that there are some people that could figure it out. But there can’t be electric vehicle chargers all around there. Ultimately, all this is an assault upon human flourishing and freedom and being able to go where you want to when you want to and being able to buy your home. All of this is an assault upon individual freedom, ultimately, Mary.
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It is. It is. And you know what? They are training our kids at school to not want that. They want them to say, well, you’re not going to have any of that. So we’re going to offer you the better thing where we’re going to take care of you and we’re going to tell you what to do and you’ll be happy.
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Yeah, well, that’s antithetical to human freedom. Using the word from yesterday or a derivative of the word from yesterday, that’s incongruent with freedom. And that’s why we’ve got to shed light on this. What’s your last thought that you want to leave with our listeners, Mary Jansen, regarding this whole Lakewood zoning rewrite?
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I’m hoping there’s a huge protest against it. I’m hoping that people come out and say, no more, we’ve had enough. You know, we’ve got to do some changes, big changes, big changes for our Lakewood. We need to get back to freedom and the Constitution. and following the Constitution so people, instead of saying, I’m for the environment, I’m for this, you know, well, no, if somebody says that for the Constitution and they’re going to stand by it and help the people, that’s the person you need to vote for because these elections really do have consequences. And one more thing has nothing to do, well, it has everything to do with everything. Radiant painting, radiant painting and lighting came out to my house And because the weather’s been so bad, because I had an indoor project and I let you, you know, I live in this 130 year old home and it’s quite a challenge to paint plaster. And I have all this woodwork and I have been putting off this painting job because it’s just a big one. And I called Karen and I said, can you come out and look at this? And she got me right in. And yesterday her crew came out and I can’t believe how fast they are. They got it all done, trimmed, painted and done. And they were out of there by three o’clock and it was all done. And now my house looks absolutely stunning. It looks radiant. It looks radiant. And I’m radiant because I don’t have to look at these dirty walls anymore.
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Oh, well, that’s awesome. And we’re really pleased to have Karen Gorday and Radiant Painting and Lighting as new sponsors of the show. So that’s great to get that personal endorsement on that, Mary Jansen. And, Mary, thank you for all that you do. You’re pretty amazing.
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Oh, you’re pretty amazing. And all your listeners are very amazing. Yes. We’ve got to keep fighting. Got to keep up the good fight.
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We do. And we’ve got to continue to stand for property rights and human flourishing. So, Mary Jansen, thank you for the update. We will talk to you very soon. Thank you, Kim. Have a good day. And right back at you. And another great sponsor of the show is Karen Levine, Remax Realtor. If you’re going to buy a home, sell a home, look at a new build, you want her on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. We were just talking about Lakewood, and next door in Golden is the USMC Memorial Center. the official Marine Memorial. It’s at 6th and Colfax. It was dedicated in 1977. It’s time for a facelift, and Paula Sarles and her team is working on that. She is the president of the USMC Memorial Foundation, and you can help them by making a contribution. Go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is a great show sponsor, and that is Bob Boswell. He is the CEO of Laramie Energy. Bob, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim.
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It’s good to have you. And Colorado’s still pretty difficult regarding our oil and natural gas and coal industries. But there’s some real positive things, I think, on the national level. I saw this from the Associated Press. The Trump EPA is moving to repeal the crime climate rules that limit greenhouse gas emissions from U.S. power plants. This is pretty huge, isn’t it, Bob?
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I think it’s part of a change that’s past due. A lot of the climate change rhetoric is centered around CO2, carbon dioxide, which is a product that burns from carbon. All things living are made of carbon, including humans. Our bodies and everything else consists of carbon. And CO2 is nature’s fertilizer, and I’ve said this before that Today, the Earth has about 400 parts per million. It dies at less than 100, and it’s most affluent or most fertile at around 1,100. So the theories on increasing temperature and how that’s going to affect mankind are simply theories that have mostly negative connotations that are often utilized to try to affect policies, which get more control more centralization i think it works against general societal purposes
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Well, and centralization of just about anything can lead to control. And, of course, the founders realized that. That’s why the American idea has the decentralizing of power in government. So I think everything that can be decentralized should be decentralized. Yesterday, Bob, I had found a headline that said the ice cap down in Antarctica is growing. And you mentioned climate change, and I’ll make a quick plug for a Climate Conversation documentary. You can watch it for free at aclimateconversation.com. We’ve got a great series of podcasts with experts and scientists as well, and it is the project of Walt Johnson. But what I’ve learned in all of this climate change narrative, Bob, is it’s based on – certain modeling and so it’s not necessarily based totally it’s based on modeling which you can get models to say i think many times maybe whatever you want and so getting this stop what’s that
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I’m sorry. I’ve got an interruption from Alexa.
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Oh, okay. Oh, I got it. Okay. And so they’re using these models to then control so many aspects of our lives. And I love the fact that the Trump administration is pushing back on these models because you can get these models to say just about anything you want.
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Well, that’s true. And they’ve fault in that is often these models are linear and unfortunately or fortunately the earth doesn’t and the models aren’t necessarily linear so you can take any trend and extrapolate it forever and you can get a result that may not be accurate because the trends are not always linear and that’s one of the things that the models create a lot of discrepancies and And a lot of the models are funded by the government to try to figure out different occasions, what might occur in the future and that sort of thing. And what has happened is we’ve seen a lot of these scientists get underwritten research to extrapolate their theories of one thing or another, often of which are not true, one of which is climate change. A lot of it is affected by the tail of the earth and it rotates around the sun, and it changes over 186,000 years, and that degree of tilt will influence the heat of the earth more so than anything related to CO2. So modeling is modeling, and there’s an interesting evolution going on now as artificial intelligence, and there’s coming waves of understanding, some of which will probably be fairly well underwritten by the use of data out of artificial intelligence. Some of it will be very constructive, and some of it may have some negative consequences. How man manages these models or this intelligence is going to be increasingly important.
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It is. It’s going to be really, really important. I’m watching this whole AI thing with a lot of great interest as well. I should say I’m really watching the data collection. I think the AI component is super interesting. But the other part of all this is all the data collection on individuals. And that’s one of the things that has me concerned, Bob Boswell.
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Well, I think that’s one element of it. The ability to manage masses and amounts of data will affect both positively and negatively, and that’s what we need to manage. And we’ll need to do this through kind of really collaboration among the different providers of AI and the different providers. software information that comes out of it. There’s a really good book called The Coming Wave. It’s by Mustafa Suleiman, and it talks about technology, power, and our dilemma of the 21st century, and that is how do we extract the positive elements of this artificial intelligent revolution and control the negative aspects of it. That’s information, things that can be presented that look very well-founded but are inaccurate or used as disinformation. It can be very negative and has to be really understood and in a collaboration managed globally, not just in the United States.
SPEAKER 20 :
Right. And what’s that book again, The Coming Wave?
SPEAKER 12 :
The coming wave, yes.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. Okay. Very, very good. So going back to the Trump administration, there are so many positive things that I see regarding the oil, gas, and coal industry, and also rolling back these regulations on light bulbs and getting rid of the EV mandate. If people want an EV, it should compete in the the free market and from an economic standpoint but to get rid of whenever you hear the word mandate that’s force so there’s a lot of really positive things that lee zeldin is doing over at the epa well there’s a lot of things that he’s undoing that were negative um you know the some of the goals that have been mandated in california was to being uh
SPEAKER 12 :
you know, all renewables by a certain period of time, the same thing in Colorado. Those take away consumer choice. And unfortunately, you know, the reality of renewables is that they’re intermittent. They’re not reliable, and they have to be backed up by carbon-backed type of fuel, such as coal or natural gas or fuel oil. And that means you have to double the system. because the backups have to make up for the deficiencies associated with unreliable renewables. So you have to double the cost, and that’s passed on to the consumer. And that’s kind of the reality of what we’re dealing with. Renewables have a role, but they’re a supplement, not a replacement. And so what the Trump administration is doing is recognizing kind of the reality of the science of renewables the reliability of the different fuel choices and taking away these mandates and saying it’s got to be consumer choice. And consumer choice is usually based upon cost and reliability.
SPEAKER 20 :
which that seems to make a lot of sense. Bob Boswell, let’s go to break. When we come back, I want to talk a bit about Colorado. And last month when you were on, you were talking about a little town that receives significant money from the work that I think your company does. And we were a little shocked. At the cost of a new school, we had a lot of people that had really reached out about that. So I want to talk about oil and gas development and exploration here in Colorado. We’re talking with Bob Boswell. He is the CEO of Laramie Energy, and they’re great sponsors of the show, and also John Bozen with Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo, on the beautiful Riverwalk in Pueblo. And the center is focused on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. They’re nonpolitical. They’re nonpartisan. But they do this through their K-12 educational programs. They’re on values presentations and then also honoring our Medal of Honor recipients with their beautiful portraits of valor. So I’d recommend that you take the kids down to Pueblo and the Center for American Values sometime this summer. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. Talking with Bob Boswell, he is the CEO of Laramie Energy and they’re great goal sponsors of the show. I greatly appreciate that. And I also appreciate reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy. Because that, Bob Boswell, is one of the foundations for people to be able to go after their hopes and dreams, to enjoy their families, to go to their jobs, all of those things. And the oil and gas and coal industry has been under regulatory attack at the national level with the O’Biden-Harris administration. But it’s still under attack from what I can see here in Colorado. And you operate primarily on the western slope, is that right?
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s correct, yes. It’s known as the Peons Basin, and it’s a natural gas basin.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. And the oil and gas industry pays significant taxes, right, like severance taxes or fees to both local and state governments?
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s correct, yes. We have relatively high assessments at the state and the local level, which helps support the state and the communities. The issue is not so much the assessments and the taxation as it is the regulations. And we need regulations set by reality and not by ideology. And what we’ve had in the state of Colorado is more the ideological movement that are looking towards all renewables, no emissions, and, frankly, a reduction in power and an increase in cost. And we have worked with our state regulators. Some of the regulations are important and good, and the industry has complied with them, and the emissions… have been brought down. Others are overreaching, expensive, and work against the best interests of the state and the communities. It’s that balance that’s important. And the elected representatives need to be driven more by the reality of power and the cost as opposed to some type of ideological all renewables by a date that’s unrealistic and And the only really reliable and renewable, which is not a renewable, but is nuclear power. And that’s an important element of power in the future, but it is in the future and it will take time to get it built and as a replacement or as an addition to our power supply from fossil fuels.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, well, let’s play this out a little bit further than Bob Boswell. So first of all, as I’m looking out the window and seeing cars go up and down the street, and when I was headed into the studio, I saw typically early in the morning, there’s all kinds of pickup trucks, and these are are people that have maybe small businesses or they’re going to construction jobs, and they need reliable, efficient, and affordable fuel prices to really make their businesses go and grow. And so we have taken that for granted, and it’s been under investigation. As you mentioned, regulatory attack. But then also as the producer out on the Western Slope, you had mentioned a little town that you pay significant assessments to. I don’t know what the exact term is. But they’ve been able to, they’re building a new school, which is a very expensive school, which I have to question that. But let’s say that you play this ideological thing out with the state legislature and you get rid of, well, natural gas and coal and go to all renewables, which is subsidized and more expensive and unreliable. And where does all that money then come from for these little communities, for their schools or for the state of Colorado, for all of the money that the oil and gas and natural gas and coal industry have put into the coffers of the state for education?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, the example is in Colburn, Colorado, where we operate. It’s a relatively small community. The school has 250 students, and the renovation and rebuilding of the school is some $70 million. Part of it, which is supplemented with outside funds, some forms of different government funds, but the dominance of the bond will need to be paid by taxes in this small community. And currently, our company… operating in the area pays 80% of those taxes that will underwrite the school. And if we don’t grow and if we cease operations because of regulations that are overbearing, this small town will go bankrupt or the taxes associated with these small ranching rural communities such as Cobran will have to go up five times of what they are right now. So it’s just, you know, again, good intentions, wrong math in terms of what could be afforded by this community and And it’s going to be a burden on the community. And, you know, to the extent we can continue to grow, we’ll be able to continue to supplement and help pay off that bond. But to the extent that they compromise our ability to operate, that will have that burden fall on the people of this small community.
SPEAKER 20 :
That is serious. Have the folks of this small community realized this yet? Because this is a very important reality.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, and we’ve been working with them. This was brought to them as a grand idea, and the school was going to be built, a modern school. The school that was there was a nice school, but it was a large expenditure, and they just sold the community on it. we’re going to build this school, and the community was all excited about it and signed up, and they started going forward. And then we actually pointed out to them and had meetings say, listen, this is what you’re dealing with. And they weren’t really cognizant of the cost and how this was going to affect them personally. You know, they just considered that the taxes would come from the businesses there, particularly oil and gas. We said, well, here’s the dilemma. If we’re not able to develop, then those assessments from us will go down and you’ll be behind on the bonds. And the only way to try to meet that is by increasing the assessments to each of you individually. So they’re in a quandary about that. They recognize it now. It’s too far along to change anything. So we will just have to see how it plays out, and we’ll certainly work with the community. They’re friends in the community. We’ve been there some time. We’ll try to work together to solve the dilemma.
SPEAKER 20 :
That is a real dilemma, and I just did a quick calculation. $70 million, 250 students, that’s $280,000 per student, and that’s a lot of money for anywhere. So this is the thing.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’d rather be paying it to teachers than that. And the infrastructure.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah. Well, and to that point, even these little two-room schoolhouses out on the prairie, those kids had amazing educations. You can just take a look at the eighth grade exam for out in Saline County, Kansas. Just do a quick search on that. It’s amazing what those kids knew. So, yeah, this is without any teachers or anything as well.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 20 :
Wow. So this is why it’s important that we really kick the tires on these ideas and on these questions that come to our ballot, Bob Boswell.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. And that’s why the public needs to be well informed. And that’s why. Communication avenues such as your show are so important to reach out to the community so people can understand the potential effects of what these policy changes that are being underwritten or advanced in the state.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and then also property taxes. I’m thinking farming and ranching. They’re getting squeezed many different ways as well, just as you are in the oil and gas industry, Bob Boswell. So do you see any rumblings from Jared Polis, the legislature, in starting to be more supportive of the oil and gas industry?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I think Governor Polis has recognized more of the overregulation, the consequences of that, and has been trying to work with his party and has actually vetoed certain elements of it. So I think there is a recognition, but it’s nascent. The problem we’ve got in Colorado is our government is larger than we need right now. Our You know, for years we ran a surplus, but today we’re running a $1.2 billion deficit. And we’ve had the Tabor Act that says, you know, that you need to have a public vote for increased taxes. And the way the government’s gotten around it is by putting in these fees. And they’ve had some 21 different new fees, a couple of which have been on the oil and gas industry, which is A WAY TO GET AROUND THE TAPER ACT AND THE INCREASE IN TAXES. SO THE BUDGET NEEDS TO BE RECONCILED CONSTRUCTIVELY. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A GOVERNMENT AND PAY FOR IT WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE THE DEFICIT THAT WE’RE NOW EXPERIENCING AT THE STATE LEVEL. SO WE’VE GONE FROM A SURFLESS TO A DEFICIT AND IT’S JUST BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT SPENDING.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, yes, we do need to reduce the size and scope of government. Bob Boswell, we are out of time. Thank you to Laramie Energy. You are the CEO. I greatly appreciate these conversations. We’ll talk with you next month.
SPEAKER 12 :
Great. Thank you, Kim.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation, and welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And great information today, great conversation with Bob Boswell so that we start to understand all the intricacies of taxes and supporting our oil and gas and coal industries. And I thank Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show so that we can have these conversations. conversations about these important issues. Check out the website. That is kimmonson.com. While you’re there, sign up for our weekly email newsletter that comes out on Sundays. You’ll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com the text line is 720-605-0647 and thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it On the show, we focus on the issues, and we’ll talk about the people pushing those issues, but we work diligently to stay out of the whole personality infighting thing. And the show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday, first hour rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon, second hour 10 to 11 at night, and that is on all KLZ 560 platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, The KLZ website and the KLZ app. Our word of the day is resilience, and it is R-E-S-I-L-I-E-N-C-E. It’s a noun. Number one, it could be the ability to recover quickly from illness, change, or misfortune. Buoyancy. Number two, the property of a material that enables it to resume its original shape or position after being bent, stretched, or compressed. So elasticity. And lastly, the act of springing back, rebounding, or resilient. And the quote of the day is anonymous. And it is, resilience means the ability to recover, adapt, and grow with adversity. And resiliency, I was thinking about Don Whipple recently. His whole story is pretty amazing at the Battle of Iwo Jima. Don recently passed on. Yesterday was his service at Fort Logan before his burial. Today there will be a service up at his church, a memorial service. But he had been injured at the battle, had been back on a hospital ship. But he and another guy figured out a way. They wanted to go get back into the battle. And he shows back up, and his commanding officer, so they got on a boat and were able to get back over to the battle. And he comes up to his commanding officer. He said, Whipple, I thought you were injured. But that was the resiliency that he showed at such a young age. What an inspirational story. And so your word of the day is resilience, and it means the ability to recover, adapt, and grow with adversity. And earlier in the show, first hour, we talked with Mary Jansen. She’s a fellow Cup board member and former Lakewood City Councilwoman. And talking about this zoning rewrite in Lakewood. And we were referencing Karen Gorday’s article. And Karen texted me and said that her article will be published later today in Lakewood Informer. They’re working through some minor edits. But this is something, even if you don’t live in Lakewood, These issues may be coming to your community as well, and you will want to take a look at that. So that will be a little bit later, will be published in the Lakewood Informer. So let’s see. Next thing, we’ve got John Bozen on the line. John Bozen with Bozen Law on the line. John, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 20 :
And lots going on in our world, John Bozen.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, we’ve got so many issues. directions we can point our eyes and say, wow, look at that. And right now it’s obviously, well, like I said, so many different fronts, if you want to put it that way. But right now, just what’s going to happen next in this Israeli-Iran, not conflict, but war. So are we going to get involved? To what extent? And What are the repercussions of that? Scary stuff, scary thoughts.
SPEAKER 20 :
It is. It’s big things happening in our world right now. But with that, on our own individual every day, we can make decisions every day to make decisions that will keep us safer. I was thinking about you on the way in and your advice regarding when you’re making decisions a left turn. So what are some things that we can do to stay safer?
SPEAKER 09 :
When we’re making a left turn? Plenty of things. You know, summer is here. It’s possibly going to, I was talking with Joe a little bit ago, it’s possibly going to hit 100 degrees this weekend. Hope it doesn’t, but we’ll see. So it’s just, you I will come back to your question, but with summer here, I mean, first and foremost, you know, it’s important to make sure your car is ready for the heat, ready for the weather, ready for that road trip that you’re planning this weekend or next month. And it’s just, you know, mechanically sound. Make sure your brakes are good. Make sure that you’ve got good windshield wipers. There’s tread on the tires. I’ve been doing my line of work for a long time, and so I’ve seen all kinds of reasons that accidents happen. And right there are three, you know, good tread on the tires, make sure your windshield wipers are working when it’s raining, and making sure the brakes are functional. So those are three basic, simple things you can do to make sure your car is mechanically sound that will help you avoid accidents. situations that lead to accidents. So basic stuff like that. But to go back to your question, whenever you’re making a left turn, right turn, it doesn’t matter. You got to just make sure things are clear and never, ever count on the vehicle coming from your left or coming from your right stopping for you if you have the right of way. and it happens all the time. People blow through stop signs. People blow through stoplights. People have their turn signal on, so don’t assume when they have their turn signal on that they’re actually going to make that turn. They could go straight. See it all the time, Kim. So it’s just not assuming and actually watching and making sure that, That person’s slowing down. They’re going to come to a stop, making sure that person is going to take that turn. So those are basic, simple things. I’ve been harping on my kids as they grew up, as they learned to drive. I’ve had real-life examples with each one of them in the car where we avoided an accident or a potential accident because I said, don’t count on that car stopping or turning. So real basic stuff like that. And it’s just, it’s being aware, being an observant driver and, and staying when you are driving focused and undistracted, which we’ve talked about many times, absolutely not texting while you’re driving. Uh, it’s, it’s a, you know, good idea. And that new law passed where you can’t have your phone in your hand. Um, not being on a phone call while you’re driving as much as most of us believe that we can stay focused. It’s a distraction. But stuff along those lines.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and also, just as you’re at that intersection, wait just a second or two before you make that right turn or that left turn, as you say, to assess, make sure that the traffic is going to be stopping, that you’re not going to have somebody blow through that intersection. And just that one second can save you a lot of headache and anxiety and money and maybe injury and all of that. So I think those are really good advice, John Bozen.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and if people follow it, they will avoid that accident that’s out there waiting for the unwary that when the light turns green, it’s no. When the light turns green, look and cautiously proceed, especially when you are that first car in line, second car in line.
SPEAKER 20 :
Absolutely. If something should happen, though, and someone is injured, whether on the job or auto or injured in any way, what is the best way for people to reach out to Bozen Law for a complimentary appointment?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and you said if, and so we hope our listeners don’t have to deal with this, but it’s really more of a when. They learn or know of someone, hopefully not themselves or family or loved ones, but when someone… is involved in an accident or they know of someone involved in an accident, encouraging them to call me as quickly as possible because time is always of the essence. The phone number for that free phone conversation consultation to schedule an in-person consultation is 303-999-9999. That’s 303-999-9999. John Bozen with Bozen Law. We’ll talk with you next week. Thank you, Kim. Have a great rest of your show.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation website. That website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And you can help as they’re raising money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial at 6th and Colfax. And it was dedicated in 1977. It’s time for that new facelift. And it is important that we remember and honor those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our freedom. Very excited to have on the line with me Sam Dorman. He is the Epoch Times Washington correspondent. He covers the courts and politics. So he’s a busy guy these days. Sam Dorman, welcome to the show. Hold on here. I think we’ve got him. Something’s going on. So hang on. Sam, are you there?
SPEAKER 19 :
Can you hear me?
SPEAKER 20 :
I got you now. Yeah, I’m here. Can you hear me? Gotcha.
SPEAKER 19 :
OK, great. Sorry about that.
SPEAKER 20 :
OK, so you’re a busy guy right now. The Supreme Court is issuing opinions as well as we’ve got all these judges that are doing different things regarding Trump’s administration. So let’s talk about these judges rulings first.
SPEAKER 18 :
Sure, yeah. I mean, there’s been a lot, right? Because there’s so many lawsuits against the Trump administration just from the beginning of his second term. And there’s been a lot of nationwide injunctions, which is something a lot of the Republicans have been complaining about. So more recently, I was just in Boston yesterday covering the lawsuit against Harvard, or sorry, Harvard’s lawsuit against Trump over his decision to try and remove their ability to accept foreign students. So there’s that, and then there’s, I could talk about really any of them, are a lot of different types of cases. Yeah, are there any that you’re particularly interested in?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, let’s talk about this Harvard one first. What’s your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, that’s a really interesting one, because the Trump administration is trying to address anti-Semitism and sort of ideological bias at a lot of different universities, but Harvard is one of the ones that they’re really targeting. And they tried to freeze, for example, I think it was something like $2 billion in funding for the university. And then besides that, they’re also trying to decertify, or they were trying to decertify Harvard’s ability to participate in this foreign exchange program. That ended up getting blocked by a judge. So Trump followed up with a proclamation that was using some of his authority under immigration law in order to prevent the entry of foreigners who were seeking to take classes at Harvard. And so yesterday, there was a hearing in Massachusetts, and the judge was basically trying to decide whether or not Trump had followed that law. had used that law appropriately and whether or not what he did was a form of retaliation for protected speech by Harvard. Harvard is basically alleging that Trump is retaliating against the university because it didn’t cave to or acquiesce to a lot of the demands that the Justice Department put on it after investigating things like antisemitism and ideological bias at the school.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. And when will the judge make his, his, her decision?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. So she’s, uh, she should be making a decision within the next week or so. Um, and so that would, that would be like a preliminary injunction. And so she’s already blocked the, the proclamation in a more sort of temporary way. So this is, if she, she issues a preliminary injunction, that’s something that’s more permanent. And then it can, you know, it’ll probably go through an appeals process. It could reach the Supreme court and, uh, Yeah, it would be a significant development, I would say, in terms of this battle between Trump and Harvard.
SPEAKER 20 :
And watching Trump talk about not paying all of these government grants to Harvard, I didn’t realize the size and scope of these government grants that have been going to colleges and universities. And I don’t really think we should be doing that. I don’t think the taxpayers should be paying for all that.
SPEAKER 18 :
It is a good question because, like you mentioned, it is a lot of money. You look at the amount of money going to Columbia, Harvard, other institutions, there’s a question about how much control the executive should have over the use of those funds. and whether or not they should be able to condition them based on activities that are not as related to the bulk of those funds. So like the foreign students being admitted and Trump raising concerns about entanglements between Harvard and the Chinese government, for example. But it’s an interesting question. It’s something that’s coming up a lot in not just the university cases, but in other cases as well, because Trump is trying to do these massive spending freezes across the government. and basically trying to reevaluate how the federal government is using its money. And so that’s, of course, raising questions about separation of powers, because Congress is usually the one that appropriates funds. So it’s an interesting time, I would say, because it is really like Trump is really sort of making the courts grapple with the nature of his authority and how much discretion he has as a democratically elected president and how much he can sort of affect what I think he was elected to do.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. And we have all these different judges that it seems like they’re out of their what they should be making decisions on, making decisions that affect the whole country. But I think they’re trying to slow down what the Trump administration is trying to accomplish and try to get to the midterms. And then if the Democrats can take either the House or Senate, then basically it would make it very difficult for Trump to continue I like the agenda of lowering spending and lowering taxes and freeing people up to be able to pursue their hopes and dreams. I like that agenda a lot, Steve Dorman. Not Steve Dorman. One of my colleagues on my board is Steve Dorman. You are Sam Dorman. So what’s your thoughts about that, Sam?
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s interesting, yeah. I don’t meet many other Dormans, so I’m glad to hear that. But, yeah, no, I think it is an interesting question because I’m not sure if you’ve been following the Supreme Court case about Trump’s birthright. But basically there was an order that the Supreme Court is reviewing Trump’s ability to limit birthright citizenship. But the way that it’s doing it is it’s basically trying to look at the nationwide injunctions that judges have issued against his order. And so this is a big question that Republicans have been raising is whether or not judges are able to issue orders that basically limit the implementation of Trump’s policies across the whole nation or whether or not they can only limit the effect of Trump’s policies as it concerns the parties before the judges in courts. And so I think that’s one of the biggest issues. that’s one of the bigger decisions that’s coming this term from the Supreme Court, is what they say about his birthright citizenship order and what they say about judges’ authority to be able to issue these injunctions. Because it’s interesting that the Trump administration was saying, I think it’s something like the amount of nationwide injunctions has doubled the amount that Biden saw in the first three years of his term, the amount that he saw has doubled under Trump under his second term. So The courts are definitely proving to be a major impediment to Trump’s agenda, and all this is really testing the balance of power between the judiciary and the executive.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. So looking at a number of the pieces that you have published at the Epoch Times, Sam Dorman, another one is that the judge orders the Trump administration to reinstate members of the Consumer Safety Commission. Now, these commissions are under the purveyance of the executive branch. So he should be able to do that. Yes. And so for a judge to step in, that seems like that’s lawfare to me.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, that’s I think that’s pretty much how most people would view this issue is Trump is the chief executive. He’s the head of the executive branch. So he should have the ability to fire the people underneath him. Right. And so. it doesn’t make any sense that someone should be able to stay if they disagree with his agenda. I think that’s how most people will probably understand it when you think of, for example, think of the executive branch as like a corporation and Trump being the boss. But the issue is that Trump has people under him that were appointed by previous presidents, and they have these certain protections that Congress instituted. So basically, Congress is saying, with some of these officials, you can only remove them for cause. And it can’t just be Trump can’t just like send an email and say, I don’t want you anymore, basically. And so this is kind of this has been a long running issue. So there’s been lawsuits not just with this Consumer Commission, but also with the FTC, with the NLRB, with that case reached the Supreme Court and some other agencies as well. And basically, it’s it’s all going back to this. Some of the Supreme Court’s case is in particular one from 1935. It was called Humphrey’s Executor. And that case said that one of the members of the FTC was wrongly fired by FDR because FDR fired him without cause. And so I know this is kind of getting into a lot, but basically the idea is that if there are members of these commissions like the FTC or the Consumer Safety Commission where they they promulgate regulations or they sort of hear disputes about potential violations of regulation, then they have something known as quasi-judicial or quasi-legislative power. And so in that sense, the judges have said that Trump doesn’t have as much power to fire them and that really when he can fire someone, it’s based on how much executive power they’re exercising. So this idea of what’s executive versus judicial and congressional is not really well-defined. So again, it’s a very vague area of law. But basically, I think what this is going to do is going to force the Supreme Court to reconsider that question, and they’re going to end up looking at what exactly the members of these commissions are doing and whether or not they’re interfering with Trump’s quote-unquote executive authority.
SPEAKER 20 :
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmonson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kimmonson.com as well. And do you have big dreams for your future but not sure how to get there? Call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. They know your financial life is unique and as an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, they build personalized strategies that put your freedom and goals first. No sales pressure, no one-size-fits-all approach, just thoughtful guidance built around you. So take that first step toward your future. Call Mint Financial Strategies at 303-285-3080. That’s 303-285-3080. I’m talking with Sam Dorman. He is the Epoch Times Washington correspondent. He covers the court and politics. And I made a slip. I called him Steve Dorman because one of my colleagues on our all-volunteer group, Colorado Union of Taxpayers, is Steve Dorman. And you said, Sam Dorman, that there’s not a lot of Dormans out there. And Steve Dorman texted me and said, the Dorman nation is small.
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s true, yeah. I don’t know why I don’t meet Minnie. It doesn’t feel like a super complicated last name, but yeah, I don’t meet that Minnie.
SPEAKER 20 :
So let’s continue. This is really interesting, and people should check you out at the Epoch Times. And I’m going to ask you this, Sam. I’ve asked other people. There are those that say Epoch Times and those that say Epoch Times. Both are correct, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
I think technically it’s epoch, but we’re not going to hold it against you if you say epoch or epic.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, good to know. So what would you say is if it was totally official, what’s the pronunciation?
SPEAKER 19 :
Epoch times.
SPEAKER 20 :
Epoch. Okay. I’ll try to get that into my brain then. So let’s talk about some of these other things that you have published. And you said the DOJ has sued New York over a law blocking immigration arrests at courthouses. And, of course, we just came out of the No Kings weekend. I do want to make a note that many of those… that are protesting, they’re actually protesting against a personality, and that is Donald Trump. And some of those protests devolved into riots, and they’re anti-American. There’s an underlying anti-American theme with some of these as well. But it’s based on immigration arrests by ICE. So let’s talk about this DOJ sues New York over the law blocking immigration arrests at courthouses.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, so that lawsuit, I mean, that’s just kind of one of many. I think there’s been at least four or five lawsuits that the DOJ has filed against different jurisdictions across the country, alleging that these jurisdictions are thwarting federal law enforcement or they’re not following federal law by not sharing information with immigration authorities about things like immigration status or just kind of sharing information or assisting federal law enforcement with carrying out immigration reinforcement in these different states and sanctuary cities. And so there has been a lot of different lawsuits. And so I’m guessing what’s going to happen is that this will go to the appellate level and the Supreme Court will have to intervene. I’m not sure if you remember back in, I think it was 2011, 2012, there was a case involving Arizona, one of Arizona’s laws attempting to basically beef up federal law or immigration enforcement, sorry, beef up a state immigration enforcement. And there’s a question of whether or not that conflicted with federal law, because there are already federal laws in place. And so like the basic kind of issue is how much can state law step on or sort of interfere with federal law? Because there are, you know, of course, there’s different ways that the federal government attempts to implement and enforce immigration law. And there’s, of course, our Democratic governors and Democratic mayors who are trying to avoid certain types of immigration enforcement from taking place because they think that having that type of enforcement sort of, let me think of the best word, like it kind of breaks down barriers, breaks down trust between the community and the state government. So they think that that’s not going to allow them to be able to, you know, carry out law enforcement at the state level as well. But the basic issue, I mean, I think it’s a really interesting topic because what you’re looking at is this conflict between federal authority and state authority. And so the main kind of constitutional provisions are the supremacy clause of the Constitution, which generally says that, you know, the federal government’s laws take precedent over state laws and that states kind of have to, they have to follow federal law and they can’t have laws that conflict with the implementation of federal law. But another interesting argument that the states are raising is this thing called the anti-commandeering doctrine, and that’s part of the 10th Amendment. And basically what that says is that the federal government can’t order states to use their resources for federal immigration enforcement. So it’s kind of unclear what exactly that means. And there are also laws that the federal government is saying, that it actually does require states to, for example, share information with them and sort of cooperate in some way. And so, yeah, there’s this case in New York where it’s talking about courthouses, but there’s also, for example, like there’s a case in Rochester where they just, the mayor of Rochester came out and said that one of his immigration officers, or sorry, one of his police officers had wrongly assisted immigration enforcement. At some point, you know, He was getting kind of angry about this at a press conference, which was just, it was interesting to see. But yeah, it’s a big conflict between state and federal authority. And that’s something you’re seeing again with Newsom and the lawsuit over the National Guard there. So I think that we could see like another landmark decision, like the Arizona case from 2000, I think it’s 2011, 2012. We could see another case like that, where it’s basically the Supreme Court setting up sort of like demarcating the line between state and federal authority.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and that was my next question, and you’d written this piece on June 11th regarding Newsom’s request to block Trump’s use of troops in L.A. What’s your read on that, Sam Dorman?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, that one is very similar to a lot of the other cases in that it’s looking at how much Trump can sort of establish certain facts before taking action under a particular statute. So this is also like, I don’t know if, I mean, your viewers have probably heard about the Alien Enemies Act lawsuits, where there’s courts that are ruling on whether or not Trump validly invoked this law to deport members of Trende Aragua. But basically, both of these are, they’re talking about, they’re looking at whether or not Trump has validly declared that there are extraordinary enough conditions for him to sort of override normal processes. And so, for example, in California, Trump is saying that there are these conditions of, for example, the federal government not being able to execute law or there being some kind of rebellion. And because of that, he should be able to take control of the National Guard within the state. And so the Trump administration’s argument to the court is that This is something that Congress allowed Trump to determine, and judges can’t second guess whether or not Trump has actually or whether or not those conditions have actually been met. And that’s kind of Trump’s decision alone. But regardless, that case is also interesting because there’s a portion of the law that Trump is talking about or that Trump invoked. And it’s basically saying that the orders to federalize the National Guard have to go through the governors of the particular states. But it’s unclear what that means. So a lot of these laws, like there’s kind of, I don’t know, kind of vague language and it’s unclear how the judges should interpret it. And so, for example, with this one, Newsom is basically suggesting that Trump has to engage in some kind of consultation or attempt to get his consent in order to federalize the National Guard. But Trump is saying, no, this law, when it says through the governor of the state, all it’s doing really is just saying, that Newsom is a conduit for Trump’s decision. And so that initially went to the district court level, and there was a federal judge in San Francisco who said that Trump had violated multiple aspects of the statute, but also that he violated the Posse Comitatus Act, which is another law basically preventing the federal government from using troops to engage in domestic law enforcement operations. And that got appealed to the Ninth Circuit. The Ninth Circuit halted that order, so it effectively gave Trump temporarily control over the National Guard again. And there’s going to be a hearing today, I believe, on that issue. So there’ll be a more final decision from the Ninth Circuit about this, and it’ll go from there.
SPEAKER 20 :
So, Sam Dorman, you look at L.A., and if Trump had not taken action— This whole thing I think across the country could devolve into the summer of love of 2020 where we had all kinds of riots and property that was destroyed and people’s businesses and homes and their dreams and Well, I don’t really like the idea of federal troops enforcing things in America and American citizens. I also don’t like the idea of mayors and governors stepping back and just let chaos to let chaos happen. So what would you say to that, Sam Dorman?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, it’s tough because states traditionally have control over law enforcement and sort of policing their particular areas without the federal government’s intervention. But the issue is whenever federal assets like, for example, a federal courthouse being vandalized in California or federal law enforcement within California being attacked, then Trump is saying, that’s when I can step in because it’s my duty to protect, it’s my constitutional duty to protect those individuals and those buildings. And so I think it’s and that makes sense.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. Yeah. No, I think so, too. So I think that the sort of like the rub there is Newsom is alleging that Trump is engaging in law enforcement, which is prohibited. But Trump is saying it’s not he’s merely just protecting these these assets rather than engaging in some kind of law enforcement. And so I think that, yeah, there’s going to be some dispute, like some factual dispute. So not so much these broader legal questions, but I think that, you know, the judges might get deeper into what exactly are these National Guard troops. And now Trump is sending the Marines as well. So there might get I think they’re going to maybe probe, like, you know, what exactly are they doing? Are they detaining people on the ground? Are they just sort of being there to prevent violence against these immigration enforcement officers? Because that’s something that the DOJ has been saying is that there’s been violent confrontations. There was an immigration enforcement officer who was injured. And there are a lot of parallels, I think, to the George Floyd protests where you have these buildings being vandalized. DOJ has talked about a federal courthouse being vandalized. And so, yeah, there’s going to be I think there’s just there’s there’s a lot of there’s still some like sort of factual questions to be resolved. But but, yeah, it’ll be I think it’ll be interesting to see how the Ninth Circuit rules.
SPEAKER 20 :
OK. This is absolutely fascinating, Sam Dorman. And I’d like to go to break. When we come back, I want to ask you about this Trump’s New York criminal case and what’s going on with that in federal court. And we have these important discussions because of our sponsors. For everything mortgages, reach out to Lauren Levy. Thank you.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. And as you know, one of the nonprofits that I dearly love is the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. on the beautiful Riverwalk. It’s co-founded by Drew Dix, Medal of Honor recipient for actions he took during the Vietnam War, and Brad Padula, who is an Emmy Award-winning documentary maker. And they focus on three foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. They’re nonpartisan, they’re nonpolitical, And they do this through their K-12 educational programs, their On Values presentations, and then also their Portraits of Valor of many of our Medal of Honor recipients. And so check out what they do. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org, AmericanValuesCenter.org. I’m talking with Sam Dorman. He is the Washington correspondent for the – okay, help me out again, correct pronunciation, Sam –
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, it’s Epoch Times.
SPEAKER 20 :
Epoch Times. And really a great publication. I subscribe. And really… thoughtful I think journalistic reporting as well as great opinion pieces I would highly recommend it so Sam Dorman you’ve written a piece this was published on June 11th that appeals court hears Trump’s bid to remove business records case to federal court so it’s in state court he wants to get it to federal court why is that and is that going to happen
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, so this is, I don’t know if people remember, I mean, this is Trump’s quote-unquote hush money case involving, you know, his payments, his alleged payments to adult film actress Stephanie Clifford in the 2016 campaign. So this is going back almost 10 years, right? And it’s Alvin Bragg, who’s the Manhattan District Attorney, brought charges in 2023, I believe. And so Trump has been… trying to take this case from state court to federal court for quite a while now. But it ended up proceeding through the state court. And, of course, Trump was found guilty on all these different counts last year. And there ended up being sentencing by the judge, but it didn’t actually result in any jail time or any significant penalties. But regardless, Trump is still trying to remove it to federal court so that he can review, he can get a federal appellate court to review the way that Alvin Brad conducted this prosecution. If you haven’t seen the coverage, it’s a very sort of technical or complex legal theory that was kind of vague at times. And it’s received a lot of criticism, the way that Alvin Bragg actually went forward with this case and sort of the types of evidence that he allowed. And one of the really controversial aspects of this is that in the middle of all this drama happening within the state court, the Supreme Court last year released its presidential immunity decision. right? And that basically said that Trump had criminal immunity from, or he had immunity from criminal charges related to his official acts. So what exactly his official and unofficial acts are is still kind of up for debate. The Supreme Court provided some guidance, but the courts or the lawyers and judges, I think, are still split on what exactly that means. So one of the main issues that the Trump administration had with the way that the state court handled this case is that it allowed certain evidence from White House officials and other evidence that Trump’s attorneys are saying was protected by presidential immunity. And so that’s an issue for multiple reasons. I mean, the first one is that the Supreme Court said, Chief Justice John Roberts said that juries should not be able to hear evidence that’s related to a president’s official acts, because it would basically, even just hearing that would kind of ruin the immunity that the Supreme Court had granted to presidents. So above and beyond that, though, there are laws basically saying that if a federal officer, if he’s charged in relation to his, you know, their official acts, then the federal officer, if they’re a defendant, they can move to have that case taken to federal court instead of state court. So Trump tried to do that, and he was rejected twice by a federal judge. I think the last time he was rejected was last September. But he’s appealing that. So that’s what this hearing was that I’m talking about. Sorry, it’s a long saga with a lot of different ins and outs of different court levels. But basically… on June 11th is when these, it was three judges in the Second Circuit Court of Appeals heard his arguments about trying to remove the case to federal court. The district attorney’s office was saying that, you know, this case has already been decided, there’s already been sentencing, and so you shouldn’t be removing it at this point. You know, the law governing whether or not cases can be transferred to federal court, it was intended for before sentencing so that the the case could play out in the right venue at the right time, whereas Trump is trying to remove this after conviction. And Trump’s attorney is basically saying that this is, you know, there’s extraordinary circumstances, right? There’s a landmark Supreme Court decision. So this is the type of extraordinary circumstance under the law that would allow this type of removal or this extra attempt to take the case to federal court. So at this point, it’s really not even about whether or not the prosecution or the judge failed in the way that they handled the case. It’s more about whether or not Trump meets the conditions under federal law to remove this case. So he’s hoping that basically this case will be taken to the Second Circuit. after this initial hearing so that the Second Circuit can do a more thorough review of the way that the case was conducted.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. Is this where they got the conviction where then the headlines can be Trump’s a felon? Or was there another conviction? Is there another conviction or is this that conviction?
SPEAKER 19 :
No, this is that one. Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, so that’s why Trump wants, if he can get this moved over and get that removed, then that takes away that narrative that’s being used out there that he is a felon.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right.
SPEAKER 20 :
So that’s probably the game on that, right?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I think he wants to overturn the conviction for sure.
SPEAKER 20 :
OK, this is really interesting. And it’s and that would be why Alvin Bragg would not want to let that get into federal court just in case that might happen. Right.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. OK.
SPEAKER 20 :
OK. OK. We’ve got a couple of minutes left. Sam Dorman, what says coming down the pike at the Supreme Court that people need to keep their eye on?
SPEAKER 18 :
Sure. Yeah, there’s a lot of cases. The Supreme Court’s already released some, but before the end of June or maybe the beginning of July, they’re expected to release the Scrimetti case, which is about Tennessee’s attempt to ban cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers for minors. So I think that’s probably the most anticipated case because it’s going to affect a lot of state laws that are trying to restrict these types of procedures and the idea that just kids should not be making these decisions so early on. And then the other ones are the birthright citizenship case that I mentioned. There’s also the Texas case where Texas is trying to implement age verification measures for pornographic sites. And there’s a question about whether or not that violates the First Amendment. There’s this industry group, porn industry group, that’s trying to overturn or reverse an appeals court decision that basically gave Texas more leeway in being able to pass these types of laws. So there’s that one. There’s another one about gender and sexuality in school libraries. I’m trying to think of what others would be interested in. I think those are the main ones. There was a case recently that they released on this lawsuit that Mexico had brought against gun companies within the United States, and they basically said that Mexico couldn’t bring that lawsuit and that gun companies enjoyed a certain But yeah, I think those are the main ones.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, well, you’re doing amazing work, Sam Dorman, regarding the courts and court appeals and the rulings and epoch times. Did I get that right?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, that’s right.
SPEAKER 20 :
Epoch. Okay, I got that. I really appreciate it because he is the Washington correspondent, covers court and politics for the Epoch Times, and hopefully we’ll get to talk again very soon, Sam. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay, sounds good. Thank you, Kim.
SPEAKER 20 :
And again, you can find him at the APOC Times. That’s Sam Dorman. I’d highly recommend that you check that out. Just a couple of things. Did want to re-mention that Karen Gorday’s information, her article regarding this whole rezoning in Lakewood will be published at the Lakewood Informer probably later today. And then also regarding this headline, the Colorado State Campaign Finance website has taken down Pam Long texted me and said, this is bad. Now we can’t track the lobbyists. I hope that they put everything back up there because it’s important that we have transparency in our government. And our quote for the end of the show is from Jim Rohn. And he said this, he said, the more obstacles you face and overcome, the more times you falter and get back on track, the more difficulties you struggle with and conquer, the more resiliency you will naturally develop. There is nothing that can hold you back if you are resilient. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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