In today’s installment, Kim Munson taps into the heart of urban decay and the psychological impacts felt by residents in deteriorating neighborhoods. With the influential voice of Ramey Johnson, the show unfolds the narrative of social isolation and the grim acceptance of neglect as the new norm. We address why local and state policies are complicit in this decline and examine the position cities like Lakewood take regarding home rule and development. The show features a key discussion on the critical need to preserve property rights and foster community cohesion. As businesses close and public amenities fall into neglect,
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It’s going to be Wednesday all day long, right?
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And just check out our website, and you can email me. I’m working my way through emails. I got behind on those, but working on that. Text line is 720-605-0647. And as you know, we search for truth and clarity everywhere. By looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it’s never compassionate nor altruistic to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunity, their childhoods, or their lives via force. Force can be a weapon, obviously, but it can also be policy and unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, and The agenda of the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites. This is playing out, obviously, through the United Nations, this Colorado state legislature and this Colorado governor. But we are seeing it on the local, the county levels as well with these land use rewrites. and land zoning or zoning changes this is huge this is happening all across our state in the second hour we’ll talk with trent luce i think it may be happening all over the country and so we’re going to unpack how this is happening because it is a real assault upon property rights So obviously, somebody can come in and take your property via force. But as we talked with Mark Kostelik and Blaine Clark last week regarding the issue in Chafee County with their land use rewrite, is if you can’t use your land the way you want to, then you don’t really own your land. And that’s what’s happening in America right now. So that’s why we’ve got to really shed light on this, because property rights, both tangible and intangible, are foundational to the American idea. And remember, though, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. On the show, we focus on the issues. We’ll mention the people pushing those issues, but we really work to stay out of the personality fighting that can occur in life. Our word of the day. And I really didn’t have the correct meaning in my mind of the word. And it is sublime. And it means extremely good, beautiful, or enjoyable, such as sublime beauty. Or the book has sublime descriptive passages. So it’s spelled S-U-B-L-I-M-E. And your challenge is to use the word in a sentence today. Our quote of the day is from Ralph Waldo Emerson. He was an American lecturer, poet, and essayist, the leading exponent of New England transcendentalism. by which he gave direction to a religious, philosophical, and ethical movement that stressed belief in the spiritual potential of every person. And I was just thinking about beauty, appreciating beauty. And those aren’t the radical activists left. They’ve lost their sense of humor. They’ve lost their sense of wonder. They’ve lost their sense of beauty. And so each day we need to look at the beauty around us. And this is what Ralph Waldo Emerson said. He said, never lose an opportunity of seeing anything beautiful, for beauty is God’s handwriting. And that is for sure. Let’s see here. Headlines. Let’s talk about headlines. First thing, this is from the Telegraph. And the headline is, Arab world tells Hamas to lay down arms and end rule of Gaza. And it says, Qatar… Saudi Arabia and Egypt called for the Palestinian terror group to disband on Tuesday, the first time they have done so. They joined 14 other countries, including Britain and France, in signing a statement that also condemned the October 7 terror attacks and told Hamas to give up power. It is the first time Arab countries have condemned the group and demanded it play no part in the future governance of Palestine. In the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority with international engagement and support in line with the objective of a sovereign and independent Palestinian state, reads the declaration, which was produced after a conference at the United Nations. so that is pretty interesting next headline this is from the center square the usda department of agriculture is to relocate thousands of employees and consolidate ancient agency functions and 2600 jobs to move to colorado indiana missouri north carolina and utah And it says the move is part of the USDA’s larger plan to achieve improved effectiveness and accountability, enhanced services, reduced bureaucracy, and cost savings for the American people, according to the announcement memo. Approximately 4,600 USDA employees currently reside in D.C., a growth of 8% over the past four years. With a nearly 15% salary increase during that time as well, the Trump administration says the USDA department reorganization plan will ensure that the agency can afford its workforce. USDA Secretary Brooke Rollins estimates that roughly 2,000 employees will be left in D.C. after the relocations are complete. The other 2,600 will be dispersed to these five regional hub locations. The agency will also end some leases and vacate some buildings in the D.C. area, as well as reduce regional office management layers. Core administrative support locations in Albuquerque, New Mexico and Minneapolis, Minnesota will remain operational. Additionally, management of civil rights functions, legislative affairs, Freedom of Information Act responses, human resources and leases will each be consolidated under different offices. Rollins said the reorganization will bring the USDA closer to the people it serves. I’ve got to agree with that. I don’t know that there’s a lot of farming and ranching in D.C. Next headline. This is from Katie V.R., I find this crazy. Denver is facing over this $200 million budget gap, and they will begin layoffs on August 18th. And also the state of Colorado is facing a big budget gap as well, millions of dollars, and there will probably be an increase a special legislative session my ear to the ground says that it will be probably august or called for august 18th possibly for four days but kdvr says this about denver says that the denver city and county employees will see their layoff notifications during the week of august 18th according to the mayor’s office which cited budget woes i would say that they’re having these budget woes because of terrible planning overspending wrong priorities you name it he says these are not easy days and these are not easy decisions wrote mayor mike johnston to the city and county employees in a letter sent tuesday every role in the city matters and every person in those roles has contributed to our city in meaningful ways The number of impacted employees was not shared. In May, the Denver mayor’s office said that the city employees would experience furloughs in the face of a $15 million revenue gap and $200 million deficit. He also noted that the city has seen a 0.3% revenue growth, which is far below the previous 5% growth seen by the city before 2024. And one of the reasons that they’re not seeing revenue growth is because they have been killing the golden calf of private enterprise that is what drives those revenues. With the road diets that they’re putting in on Colfax. I hear they’re talking about doing those road diets, meaning reducing the number of lanes that cars can access, putting in bike lanes and bus lanes as well, that what is happening is it’s killing these businesses. So you are seeing a significant decrease in revenue growth. And it is because of policies. And then you can take that and connect that to the dot of why they’re going to have to let some people go regarding some of their employees. And it is because of poor management. That’s all we can say about that. Next thing, this is also pretty interesting, and this is from the Center Square. It says the violent Trinidad and Sinaloa cartel members are arrested in Denver and Detroit. And it says hundreds are arrested in this Denver metro area with violent crime convictions and charges. And it says, in one TDA bust in Detroit, ICE officers working with Homeland Security Investigations arrested Cleber Ciso Balza, a 25-year-old Venezuelan national with active warrants in Virginia for possession of burglary tools and in Florida on a pending charge for larceny. He was apprehended with a group of men who were also in the U.S. illegally. It says Trin de Ragua is known to engage in sex trafficking, debt bondage, drug trafficking, and murder to advance their interests. And so, again, this is huge. And it says the arrest of this gang member who has a history of firearms and other criminal charges and was wanted on an active warrant out of Denver for failure to appear removes another dangerous criminal illegal from our country and enhances public safety. So this is huge as well. And hats off to Danielle Jurinski. Aurora City Councilwoman for the great work that she has done in shedding light on these gangs that are in our country. Several things. Wanted to say thank you to Hooters for their sponsorship of the show and also for their sponsorship of America’s Veterans Stories. They have locations in Westminster, Loveland, and on Parker Road. They have specials Monday through Friday for lunch and happy hour. Great lunch specials, great food. I’ve not had them, but I hear their fish tacos are quite good. And so definitely appreciate their sponsorship of the show. And then also the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team wants you to feel safe and well served. 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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And you can text me at 720-605-0647. August is right around the corner. That means it is the 48th anniversary of the USMC Memorial, which is located in Golden, right at the corner of… 6th and Colfax. And so the 23rd of August, we’ll be having an anniversary celebration. You can buy your tickets for that. It’s going to be a great evening by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is Ramey Johnson. She is a former state legislator, former city councilwoman in Lakewood, and my fellow CUT, Colorado Union of Taxpayers board member. Ramey Johnson, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim.
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Good to have you, Ramey. And before we get into this important piece from your newsletter, The Psychology of Living in Decay, I want to say give a shout out to our fellow board members, which is Colorado Union of Taxpayers, which is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner. Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, you, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onazorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. It’s an all-volunteer group, which I think that they do the founders proud. As we look at the issues, legislation that’s facing us here in Colorado, and we look at it, first of all, how it affects the taxpayer. And the taxpayers, all of us, that’s kind of how America had its founding. People were really frustrated about being overtaxed, Ramey.
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Yes, that is true.
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And realizing they’re not getting much for what they’re paying. Well, and so that moves us over here to your piece that you’ve written, The Psychology of Living in Decay. And so first thing, Ramey, if people would like to get your newsletter, what would be the best way to request that?
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You know, they can email me, Ramey, R-A-M-E-Y,
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kjohnson at gmail.com and i’ll get them uh into our distribution list okay thanks for asking so again that’s ramey r-a-m-e-y k johnson at gmail.com let’s talk about this piece that you’ve written the psychology of living in decay where do you want to start
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Well, let me just say I grew up in Lakewood, Kim, and this is what we’re living in now is 180 degrees different than what I grew up in. And we are decaying. Colfax is collapsing. I think it’s near collapse, really. And we all look at the homeless and understand that they’ve got issues, mental illness, substance abuse. different things going on there but nobody ever talks about the people that are living in the neighborhoods and in the homes that are around all these tents and in the community that it surrounds and i got to thinking has there been any kind of a study about those of us that are living and watching what’s going on it’s interesting when you get off of i-25 and come into 6th avenue immediately you can tell a difference in the way that the roads are kept. Sixth Avenue’s got debris all over it. But when you go down into University Boulevard, you don’t see that. And it kind of made me wonder, why? Why does CDOT, now that’s a different subject, really, but why does CDOT put more time and care into other areas than it does into Lakewood? And When I got to looking at this, you know, people actually have studied this. So we’ve all heard about the broken window syndrome. That seems to be the most popular one. It was actually rooted in the concept of social disorder and that when you don’t repair the windows when they break, that it leads to a breakdown in community cohesion and also a sense of state safety. Yesterday I was driving down Colfax and taking pictures. There are buildings that are boarded up with broken windows. They’re not being repaired. And of all things, First Bank over on Colfax and Wadsworth has boarded up windows and what looks to be a gunshot window through one of the windows that has red tape on it. You know, this affects everybody. And so then I got to look and I thought, you know, maybe there’s more to this. And there certainly is. Other people have actually researched what it’s like to live in decay and maybe going into the place of rot, if you will. And they’ve come up with certain mental symptoms, if you will. And one of them is that people have an increase of stress, anxiety, depression. And I think that depression is especially easy to see in our community. And it happens especially when people are calling the police and there doesn’t seem to be any resolution to anything. And then you get into feelings of powerlessness, hopelessness, you know, what What can I do? Nothing because nobody responds. It has living in decay has an impact on our cognition and our motivation. And I’ll go as far as to say, why should I care? You know, people throw their trash out the windows. If the city doesn’t seem to care by wanting to look at the homeless issue and by cleaning up our streets, Why should I care? Just do the same. There’s social isolation and also a disconnection from the community. People self-isolate when things are like this. And there’s also what they call the potential for desensitization. It’s a phenomenon that I’d never heard of, but it makes sense. A degradation desensitization, which means that the decay and neglect and filth is basically you’ve just come to accept it as the norm. And I can almost, you can feel it in Lakewood. People are accepting what’s going on in our streets. Nobody seems to respond to parks. show this there’s a lack of attention to the parks there’s more trash in them and you’re going to love this one kim in 2010 there was a study that found that wives who considered their home cluttered experienced higher levels of cortisol that’s the the hormone that causes you a lot of stress But I think the one thing is that public policy actually is creating some of this. In 2024, Polis fast-tracked House Bill 1313, in which he designated a half a mile on both sides of the light rail to be transit-oriented development. Number one, that never should have been introduced at the state level. This is a local issue. But it passed, of course. He was able to get it through. Colfax and 14th Avenue are both half a mile within that designation of the light rail. There are six Colorado cities, and I think you maybe already talked about this. Arvada, Aurora, Glendale, Greenwood, Village, Lafayette, and Westminster are that are suing the governor over this bill and the state because this is not their purview. They never should have gotten involved in this. And they’re claiming that it violates their home rule authority. Lakewood is the home rule authority, but you notice that they’re not part of that. And I believe that Lakewood is intentionally ignoring Colfax and 14th Avenue allowing the property to devalue so that developers can come in and buy high-density housing. And I don’t know what their end game is. The people that live here in houses and homes, they don’t want high-density housing. But our city seems to be going along with that and actually even encouraging it. And one’s got to ask themselves, why hasn’t Lakewood joined in this lawsuit? Because we’re a home rule city.
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Boy, connecting the dots. Those are such good questions. Remy, as you were talking about this, and for our Colorado Union of Taxpayers board meeting, we meet out in Golden. And so I drive along 6th Avenue and Colfax. when I’m out there. So I’ve been out there just recently. And I was thinking about it, that here we have the whole environmental movement, that the premise is, is that we need to take good care of our earth. And of course, with the documentary that your husband Walt, it was his vision, A Climate Conversation, he talks about just the narrative on all of that. Yeah. But we’ve seen public policy under the guise of taking care of our earth to control everything that we do, from our light bulbs to our toilets to our showers, because they say we want to take care of the earth. Being good stewards of the earth is important. That is something that we’re supposed to do. But they’re not taking very good care of the earth when you have a city in decay. And Lakewood’s not the only one. But when you have filth and trash and continuing to throw more money at the homeless population, the more money that you throw at an issue, the more you’re going to have of it. Because there’s people that’s making big bucks off of the homeless. But I just find it ironic. Thank you. that under the guise of taking care of our Earth, we have all this control of everything, our lives, but right here on the ground, they’re letting this, the environment in our cities, degrade to decay. Don’t you find that ironic?
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Well, to me, it’s frankly disgusting. And you’re absolutely right about Colfax. Businesses are leaving, Kim. A Safeway that has been at Garrison and Colfax for years and years is now closing. And the city talks about, what are they, food… Food deserts. Food deserts. And here this Safeway is closing. Apparently they’re closing because of the amount of theft. That is a public health issue or a policy issue that the city has not addressed what’s going on. But the problem is there’s people in the neighborhoods that have gone to that Safeway forever. Right.
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And now there’s no place close by to actually purchase food. And again, it’s all because of public policy. Ramey, this is such an important piece. I would recommend that people sign up for your newsletter. They can email you at RameyKJohnson at gmail.com. What’s your final thought you’d like to leave with our listeners?
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My final thought is that elections do have consequences. And our two representatives actually voted for the bill that Polis wanted through. It doesn’t help their constituents. And we are about to have a city council election. It makes a difference on the way that people vote and what happens in our community. And after I sent out my newsletter, the people that responded, I’ve gotten the most feedback from this particular piece than any. People are not staying. They are looking to leave if they can. So it’s not only the people that are leaving, but the businesses up and down. Colfax are fleeing. And this whole Lakewood scene here is actually…
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It’s degrading, it’s decaying, and it’s sad, Kim. Well, and it’s public policy. And you can see over in Denver, which I reported in the first segment, that revenue growth had been projected at 5% for the city. It was at 0.3%. And again, it’s because of this terrible public policy. Ramey Johnson, thank you for caring about people and for your years of service to the people of Colorado and the people of Lakewood. Thank you so much. Thank you, Kim. Bye-bye. And these are such important issues to shed light on, and it happens because of our sponsors. For everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. And I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And on the line with me is the CEO of Laramie Energy. That is Bob Boswell. Bob, welcome to the show.
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Yeah, good morning, Kim. Thank you.
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Well, I have a question for you, and it’s severance taxes. I think that people don’t realize just how much the oil and natural gas industry provide in revenue to communities and school districts, and I don’t understand how severance taxes work, so I thought you’re the perfect guy to ask.
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Well, thank you. I don’t know if I’m the perfect guy to ask, but I do have a perspective. In Colorado, the oil and gas industry pays about a billion dollars a year in various taxes, not including income taxes. There are three types of property taxes. One is ad valorem, which is a tax based upon the value of your property. And the oil and gas industry pays 87.5% of the estimated value of their properties in ad valorem taxes, most of which are local. That is about three times more than other businesses and about 12 times more the tax rate on residential property. So, you know, a burden on that side. Against that, we have severance taxes, and severance taxes… are based upon production levels and those are offset to a degree by ad valorem taxes. You get a credit for your ad valorem taxes against your severance taxes, but you’re still paying a tax on the production value of your properties. And the third is simply a mill levy, which is a levy against a property That is, the state is put in to offset the cost of plugging and abandoning wells once they’re at the end of their life. And the irony of that is that companies are required to do that anyway. And these are mainly just orphan wells, and we already have an orphan well. So it’s a complex set of taxes, much of which puts the Colorado companies at a disadvantage to other states. and that and the overbearing regulatory burden is seeing Colorado being bypassed for these AI centers, data centers. There’s been a huge one announced in Utah. Crusoe, a Denver-based company, recently announced a project in Wyoming, and I think it’s a $1.3 billion project. They have one in Texas that’s Over $1.3 billion, I don’t exactly recall. But these big opportunities data centers are being offered in other states, but not in the state of Colorado because of our repressive regulatory and tax system. You know, the state of Colorado used to run a positive net on the tax front. Today, we’re running about $1.2 billion negative, and that’s despite increased taxes. The state also right now, to get around the Tabor Act, is putting fees, they’re calling them fees, which are actually taxes. And they put in 23 different fees. I think three or four of these have been you know, aimed at the oil and gas industry, all of which is hurting the state in terms of its economic viability, its growth potential, and, frankly, clean energy. So you’ve got a number of taxes here, the severance tax just being one of many that the state has put in, a lot of which has been put in by the, what I would call the anti-groups that don’t like fossil fuel development, and those have been trying to hurt the industry, and they have for a number of years. And it’s really poor leadership. It’s poor fiscal responsibility at the state level. You know, and the things that we’ve done on the cost side with sanctuary cities, drug use, those sorts of things, trying to provide housing now for illegal immigrants or in and services for people who have mental health and drug abuse problems, a lot of which has been promoted by the state policies to allow drug use similar to what’s happened in California. So it’s a number of taxes, including this evidence tax that the state’s used, and they’re overtaxing. and they’re fiscally irresponsible on the cost of operating the government.
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Well, and so looking back at some of these headlines, this was back in February from the Colorado Sun, said Colorado’s budget hole is now $1.2 billion as Medicaid costs continue to climb. And that’s a whole other story about, in fact, I had a meeting the other day with someone that worked down at the Statehouse, and he said, handed me the summary of the state budget, and so much money is going to health and human services, which one has to ask, is that really the proper role of government? And that’s another discussion. But let’s just connect this dot here. Colorado has a budget hole of $1.2 billion. And the oil and gas industry contributes a billion dollars in taxes, but yet we see from public policy that they’re doing so many things to hurt the oil and gas industry. And what will happen is those revenues will start to decline as they continue to put more and more pressure on. on that industry and so who’s going to pay those taxes well first of all government is going to have to reduce uh their size and scope which that’s okay with me but uh but but instead of that though they will also look to the people to try to wring more money out of their pockets as well and so i think it’s important that people understand that bob
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Well, I agree. And, you know, it’s really a matter of just what I call fiscal responsibility. And that’s how do you manage the government expenditures. And what is the role of government? And are we really following what the role of government should be? And in many cases, we’re doing these add-ons. We’re doing things that really is just to empower the existing party government. as opposed to really improve the economic benefit of the state for all of its citizens. So it’s been several, you know, I don’t know, but we’ve had Governor Polis in for three terms, I believe.
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Well, two. He’s going to finish up his second term.
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Second, okay. Yeah, that’s right. There was a Question of where they’d try to run for a third term. I heard.
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Oh, I hadn’t heard that one. Oh, boy.
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Yeah, but this all got back to the Colorado blueprint, which was designed by Polis and three other wealthy people. And it was designed some over 20 years ago to take over the state of Colorado by the Democratic Party, and they’ve been successful at it. But there’s only so many giveaways that they can have to stay in power, and they’ve started hurting the economic viability of the state with this big deficit, which it’s time for a change. And I think people are starting to recognize that, at least I hope so. Unfortunately, Colorado is a blue state, and I don’t know if the political winds will change, but hopefully common sense will.
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Well, we’re working on it, Bob, and that’s why engaging, first of all, in this battle of ideas so that people have an understanding of just what’s going on. That’s why these discussions are so important. Going back to oil and gas, providing a billion dollars in taxes, a lot of that money goes to companies. And a lot of it, as you said, the severance – let’s see, the severance taxes – well, a lot of – you said the ad valerum taxes are – a lot of that is on the local level. And so the state policies are going to hurt municipalities and counties big time. In fact, I’ve heard that up in Weld County – because of all of their great oil and gas production, that many taxes have been quite low. But if the industry is kind of kicked out of Colorado, that’s going to be really hard for the people up in Weld County.
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Yeah. Well, not only kicked out, but not attracting future development. These artificial intelligence centers, these huge data centers, which are coming and are very important economic sources for a state – We’re not being looked at because of our energy policies and the concern that the state’s going to continue to reduce the amount of oil and gas developed in the state. Natural gas is the primary power of these new data centers.
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Wow. And so these public policy decisions really affect our everyday life. And we’re really starting to see the effects of this in Colorado. That’s why we need to connect the dots, because we know from a political standpoint that those that have been making these decisions in Colorado are going to want to blame us. somebody else for all of this. One other thing, as Bob mentioned, we are considered a blue state, a Democrat state. But I always like to make the point that the Democrats that are in control of the Democrat Party now are not the Democrats of your grandparents. It’s not the Democrats of These are radical activists that here in Colorado are focused on really closing down our oil and gas industry. And as I say, on a regular basis, it’s reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal that fuels our lives. And so connect that dot. When that industry is under assault, Well, what fuels our lives is under assault, and it’s important to connect that dot with our friends, our family, and our neighbors. We have these important discussions because of our sponsors. And for everything mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy.
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help fund education and a variety of things in communities and it is so important that people understand that bob well it is and i think you know beyond just at the state level at the federal level 70 of the lands in colorado are federal we pay royalties you know that range from 12 and a half percent they were raised up under biden to i think 16 and a half percent um and they’ve been subsequently in the new administration taken back to what had been the historical 11%, 12.5%. So we create tremendous amount of funds that go into the federal government, some of which come back to the state of Colorado. So there’s an old saying, the more you tax something, the less you get of it. And that’s what you’re seeing in the state of Colorado, unfortunately. It’s not only taxes. misregulations, some of which are bonafide and needed, and the industry adapts quickly. We also lead in terms of technological mechanisms to limit greenhouse gas emissions, things of that nature. The record is very good in the state. The producers are environmentally conscious. We live in the areas where we work. and work in the areas where we produce oil and gas. So there’s a real consciousness among our employees and our members of our business that we want to be good stewards of the land and the air.
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So, Bob, I’m going to connect a dot to our conversation that we had with Ramey Johnson in the second segment. And that is – and Ramey’s husband, Walt, they funded this documentary, A Climate Conversation, which people can watch for free. at aclimateconversation.com. And what we have seen is the environment has been used to, for example, put in all these legislation, enterprise zones, fees on our oil and gas industry because we want to be good stewards of the environment. However, what we’re seeing, though, is, for example, the decay in Lakewood, that those that are pushing these policies are not caring about the actual environment of our communities where there’s. and trash and just all kinds of stuff on the streets. And so the narrative, I think, that has been used to increase all these taxes and fees and regulations is because they’re really going after the industry. It’s not because, and this is my opinion, it’s not because they care so much about the environment. It’s because they care more about control. And that’s the dot that I’ve connected in my mind, Bob.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, they use it as a sword to get accomplished what they want to try to do to stay in power. You know, the oil and gas industry is the boogeyman. Let’s go after him. In fact, how do you define the environment? Air is one thing. Water is one thing. Economic viability is another. Living standards. Those are all parts of our environment. And if you look at air, for example, we have a good record. CO2’s been what’s been attacked. You know, it’s nature’s fertilizer. Earth dies at less than 100 parts per million. Right now we’re at 400 parts per million, and it thrives at 1,000 parts per million. So it’s just a, you know, it’s a saber they’re using to try and attack the industry, and that main emphasis behind it is let’s Let’s use this as a way to be in power. We’re going to create this crisis and use this crisis as a means that we’re going to be the white knight that saves it. And that’s just wrong, and it’s been mischaracterized for a long time. They often like to attack big oil because we have some very strong companies in this country that operate worldwide, and they’ve chosen to attack them. with often just specious, exaggerated claims, but it puts fear in people’s minds, and that’s wrong, but it’s used to gain power. It’s not used to improve the environment. There are certain regulations that we do need and we’ve put in, and those are proper, but the excessive regulations and those aimed at driving the industry out of the state are wrong policies for the state and its people.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, but moving over to the federal level, the headlines at the federal level is pretty amazing. And regarding, as you mentioned, greenhouse gases, CO2 is nature’s fertilizer. It’s this big circle of life between plants and animals. And it’s really important to understand that. But at the federal level, there’s amazing headlines coming out regarding the oil and gas industry.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, the new administration understands the economic importance of reliable, low-cost, clean energy. And many of the things that have been put in by the prior administration, some perhaps with the auto pen, you know, we’re reversing those. And those are important. And leasing, you know, 70% of the lands are federal. Biden put more or less a cap. There was hardly any leases done. Obama, at least much more, he did not put a cost on development, but Biden and his administration came in and they’ve done everything they can to try to minimize and really hurt the industry under this notion of climate change and you know, the earth’s going to die. That’s, you know, that’s a policy or a, what Al Gore promoted, you know, 25 years ago. And we had a 10 year timeline when the ice caps were going to melt. That never happened. There are many things that affect client. The most substantial list is the rotation of the earth around the sun.
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So it’s a,
SPEAKER 09 :
And those are in really long wave times. But we’ve gone to ice ages and we’ve gone through heat areas. But a lot of it, most of it has to do with the rotation of the earth around the sun.
SPEAKER 13 :
And it is important to understand that. Bob Boswell, I always learned so much. Final thought you’d like to leave with our listeners?
SPEAKER 09 :
We’ve got new opportunities. And at the federal level, we’ve got a lot of New policies coming in. We’ve got the retraction of inappropriate policies. We need to do the same thing at the state level. We need to move forward. We’ve got a great state. We’ve got some good leaders. We’ve got to stop this negative wave that’s been put in place through this Colorado blueprint that’s been going on some 20 years. So it’s time for change, and let’s move in a positive direction.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, we’re working on it, Bob Boswell, and so I thank you for supporting us in doing so. So we will talk with you next month. Have a great day.
SPEAKER 09 :
Great. Thank you, Kim.
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And that is Bob Boswell. He is the CEO of Laramie Energy. And our quote for the end of the show is from Ralph Waldo Emerson. And as I mentioned, I was looking for quotes about beauty. And he said this. He said, “…successful is the person who has lived well, laughed often, and loved much, who has gained the respect of children, who leaves the world better than they found it, who has never lacked appreciation for the earth’s beauty, who never fails to look for the best in others or give the best of themselves.” So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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From my heart Like a new moon rising fierce Through the rain and light And I don’t want no one to cry But tell them if I don’t survive
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation, and thank you. Welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show, and thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today’s drive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team, that’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Wednesday, Producer Joe. Happy Wednesday, Kim. And Wednesdays are also Wings Day at Hooters Restaurants. And they have locations in Loveland, Westminster, and over here on Parker Road in Aurora. And you buy 20 wings, you get an additional 10 for free. And that’s to go or to dine in. And so, again, it’s Wednesday and it’s Wings Day at Hooters Restaurants. As you know, we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. And on the show, we focus on the issues. We’ll talk about the people pushing those issues, but we really work to stay out of the personality fighting that happens out there. Our word of the day is sublime. It’s S-U-B-L-I-M-E, and it means extremely good, beautiful, or enjoyable. Examples, sublime beauty. where the book has sublime descriptive passages. So those are a couple of examples from the dictionary. So your challenge is to use sublime, S-U-B-L-I-M-E, in a sentence today. Our quote of the day is from Ralph Waldo Emerson. And I was thinking about beauty. I was thinking about the radical activist left has no sense of humor, super judgmental, no sense of wonder, no appreciation for beauty. And where they’re in office is these communities are in decay and decline, as we talked with Rami Johnson in our number one about that. She is a former state legislator, former councilwoman in Lakewood, and she is a board member of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And to see your neighborhoods decline to what what she’s seeing in Lakewood, but you see it in Denver after all this money that is being thrown at it. And producer Joe had a great observation during the break. He said that. And that it seems like all of this money is going to education and then the health and human services. Joe, you want to expound on that just a little bit?
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I just noticed that all these politicians put out legislature to put money into health and education. um education brain is freezing um and education thank you um but then we can generally see that that there’s so much money in that but there’s not much being done with it so i have a conjecture of laundering through that
SPEAKER 13 :
Aha. So as you mentioned, tons of money that’s been going into these industries, but the results are terrible. If, in fact, you wanted to reduce homelessness, then you would look at that and you’d say the results are terrible. But if you wanted to increase the homelessness industrial complex because there’s so much money that’s going into it and so many people that are making money off the tragedy of homelessness, well, my gosh, that would be a huge success. If you look at the education side, and again, as Bob Boswell mentioned, the oil and gas industry contributes a significant amount to the education industry here in Colorado. But you look at the results, and you may have in some school districts, I would say close to maybe the norm, maybe, maybe 35% to 40% of the kids can read and write and do arithmetic at grade level. Those are terrible results. But we continue to throw more and more money at it. And Bob Boswell had alluded to if you want less of something, you tax it. If you want more of something, you incentivize it. And so we need to get things turned around where we incentivize money. private business and that we de-incentivize the industrial complexes of education and homelessness. And so let’s focus on that. Let’s see. What’s a couple of other things that… that i wanted to mention uh and let’s just talk about a few of the headlines that i had mentioned oh i need to go back to this though yvonne had texted me regarding the decline and decay of lakewood she said this she said it’s turning the usa into a third tier country And she knows because she did live in Central America as she was growing up. And so good point on that. And then let’s see here. Also, this is from Jenny. She said the common denominator in all of this decline is these Democrats. She said they should be nowhere near powers of authority and it’s not going to change until we make different decisions regarding our elections. She said the blight and decay is all purposeful. PBIs are using their tools of drugs, homelessness, riots, fire zoning, et cetera, to steal our properties, which is cultural Marxism. I think Ginny’s probably, and not just probably, she is spot on on all of that. the headlines that i wanted to mention first of all this is from the telegraph and it is pretty amazing to have this headline it says the arab world tells hamas to lay down arms and end a rule in gaza So that is pretty amazing. The next one, the USDA, the United States Department of Agriculture, is going to relocate thousands of employees and consolidate agency functions. So 2,600 jobs will move to Colorado, Indiana, Missouri, North Carolina, and Utah. And I think that’s a great thing. Quite frankly, I don’t think there’s a lot of farming and ranching in Washington, D.C., And so I think to move these offices to where there are farmers and ranchers is an excellent idea. Next thing, public policy. Do you not find this crazy that Denver, because of terrible leadership, terrible representation of the people, they’re facing a $200 million budget gap, and they’re going to begin layoffs on August 18th. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, they are going to put on the ballot a bond request for $935 million. Wow. Why on earth would you give any more money to the people that are running the city into the ground? I think the answer should be no on that. And then the last headline that I had hit in hour number one was regarding the Trin de Aragua. It says the violent Trin de Aragua and Sinaloa cartel members were arrested in Denver and Detroit. Hundreds arrested in the Denver metro area with violent crime convictions and charges, and they should be deported. And so good for them being focused on that, to have these bad actors in our communities because of sanctuary city policies and throwing money. at these people that have come into the country illegally. This is important to get this turned around. And I am grateful that the Trump administration is doing so. And that report comes to us from the Center Square. So a couple of other things. Drew Dix, co-founder of the Center for American Values, has started a new podcast series. And it’s Words from the Silo. And I would recommend that you check that out. He posts a new one every Wednesday. And the one for this week is he is going to be focusing on – last week it was partisan politics, which was very good. And this week is comprehensive immigration reform. And it’s just about 40 minutes long. You can get that by going to AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. And then – Regarding your insurance coverage, the State Farm Agency of Roger Mangan can help you with all of the things that you might need it for, such as your home, your condo, your boat, your motorcycle, your boat, everything. And if you bundle all that together, you might be able to save some money. 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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out the website. That’s kimmunson.com. And August is right around the corner, which means it is the 48th anniversary of the USMC Memorial. And there’s going to be a great celebration on the 23rd out at the memorial. And you can buy tickets by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And it is so important to support the memorial because it is because of people that have put their lives on the line or given their lives. for us, for our liberty, that we get to engage in this battle of ideas that we are in right now. They’ve done their part, we must do our part, but we must also support them. And a great way to do that is to support the USMC Memorial Foundation. That website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. It is Wednesday, so it’s a Trent Luce Wednesday. And Trent Luce is a sixth-generation farmer and rancher Focusing on the issues that are facing the people that feed and fuel us, which they live in rural Colorado, rural America. Trent Luce, welcome to the show.
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Hi, Kim. Coming to you from the Florida swamps of central Nebraska.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, you’ve been getting rain, huh?
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Another two inches last night. And start with a shout out and kudos to all of the line workers. We went to bed at about 930 with no electricity and Wake up in the morning, and boom, it’s on. These line workers are absolutely amazing, and I want them to be aware that we appreciate what they do.
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Yes, everyday people. I’ve been very concerned with corporate Excel management and corporate offices. I ended up having an interaction with some Excel workers last week. I drove up. And there were two XL trucks out in front of my house. I’m thinking, oh, my, they’re putting on a smart meter. I do not want a smart meter. But I’ve been randomly chosen to have my gas meter replaced. And it took me a little while to walk myself off the ledge. But I was very polite. and cordial to them as we had the conversation. And the everyday people that are working for these companies and doing their jobs, I so appreciate them. I’m a little frustrated at the people at the top and their policies, but I, like you, I so appreciate these people that step up and do their job well every day.
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Look, Nebraska public power is glaringly not our friend. And that is the public power district that we’re all a member of. We get our electricity from Custer Public Power, which gets electricity from Nebraska Public Power. And Nebraska Public Power, which, by the way, had a takeover, even though it’s a co-op. We have an election. And we had one year where six individuals who had gotten George Soros money got on the board. And we’ve been trying to just hold our own. They’re building partnerships with out-of-state, out-of-country entities, building AI centers, and they’re not our friend. But that does not, exactly like you said, it does not reflect upon the people who are showing up to help their fellow neighbor. And these line workers, I got to tell you, you know, I went to a school. One of the great lineman schools in the country is actually in Bismarck, North Dakota. And I went and did a TV program from there. And as a result of that, I looked at the history. Did you know that in the early days of electricity, I’m talking like 20s and 30s, before it was uniform all across the country, because it wasn’t until like 55 until we had electricity to most places. But in the 20s and 30s and the 40s, 50% of the people who worked on the line were electrocuted on the job. Can you imagine going to work knowing that there’s a 50% chance you’re not going home?
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Oh, my gosh. That’s amazing.
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It is insane.
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And there is that great Glenn Campbell song. Lineman for the County.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, sure. Absolutely.
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We should have done that as bumper music if I knew we were headed there. But I want to get over first thing.
SPEAKER 10 :
I didn’t know we were headed there either. We just drive.
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So I had Mark Kostelik and Blaine Clark on last week regarding this land use rewrite in Chafee County. And so you had them on one of your television shows, was it?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, they were on Thursday Roll Routes.
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So tell me what your takeaway is on all this.
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It’s the same exact scenario we see in every county I’m dealing with today. I’m probably at six inquiries a day with something similar to what’s happening in Chaffey County. And that is they’re developing a land use. It does not have the primary industries and the people that make the county as the first and foremost priority. And they’re losing control of property and the ability to do what they want to do, what the people want to do with their own property. I experienced a very similar situation, and it’ll be my TV program tomorrow, Trent on the Loose, in Texas. And I’m going to share the Texas story as it relates to J.P. County because it’s what is to come. So I found this young lady, Susan Grisham is her name. And her family came to Texas from Kentucky in 1850. So she grew up on the same land that had been in her family since 1850. In about 1995, they started talking about, well, we need to build a reservoir to supply the water for Denver. So ultimately, in 2008, they sell their property under the threat of eminent domain.
SPEAKER 13 :
In Texas?
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct. In Texas.
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And they need water for Denver, or did you mean maybe Dallas?
SPEAKER 10 :
Did I say Denver?
SPEAKER 13 :
You said Denver.
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Yeah, I didn’t mean Denver. Okay. Apparently I got Denver on the brain. Okay. For Dallas, for the ever-growing Dallas, Texas. Right. Thank you for correcting me. And so what ends up happening is that whoever they are, apparently it’s a North Texas municipal water supply agency, ended up taking 16,000 acres and putting a reservoir there. So when they get the reservoir there, which supposedly is for Dallas drinking water, there’s part of the land that was in the Grisham family that they did not use. So they said, hey, can we buy this back? And by the way, they sold that land for $1,200 an acre. And they said, no, once we take it and they got it for $1,200 an acre under the threat of potential eminent domain, the same threat that comes along every time you turn around. They said, no, we’re not going to sell that land. Well, lo and behold, cutting to the end of the story, that water is now going in a pipeline to Plano, Texas, for cooling of an AI center. And secondly, the land that they did not use that was part of the Grisham family, they would not sell back to the family, but they have it for sale at $850,000 per lot. So this is coordinated. Same thing in South African Chaffee County. Same thing was attempted in Kiowa County. You can name the county. There is some central planning trying to control the resources, resources being land and water. And eliminating, it does fly back, and I hate to use the age-old saying that now has been made famous by everybody, and it’s repeated all the time, but it’s coming to fruition. You will own nothing and be happy. That is exactly where we’re headed.
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Well, and it seems, Trent, like during the Obama-Biden administrations, we would see mainstream media and all these different pundits that they would have the same exact narrative. It was almost like there was an early morning meeting saying, hey, this is what the narrative is going to be. It seems like there has been something there. That the narrative now is at the local and county level, we are going to do these land use rewrites and we are seeing them in municipalities across the metro area. We see it in Lakewood. Yesterday, Mike Rollick said there’s one going on in Arvada. I think there’s one going on in Lone Tree. We’re seeing the thing in Chafee County. Now you mentioned Texas. It’s like there’s some controlling factor at the top that says we’re going to do this. And I think that they’re they’re not having as much success as they want at the federal level. But, man, they have embedded themselves through elections. At the local and the county level. And then I think the other thing is, is there’s these organizations, for example, with municipalities, there’s Colorado Municipal League. With counties, it’s the Colorado Counties Association or something like that. And I think that I surmise that this narrative is coming through these organizations and being pushed out to the municipalities. And of course, then also, I think that the administrators in these towns and counties are, I think there’s organizations for them as well. So I think that’s what’s happening. I’m trying to connect the dots on this, Trent. Yeah.
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I agree with everything you said except the excluding of federal. Federal is behind all of it and getting information and tax incentives to these communities to accelerate it now. And it’s on steroids. I’ve been dealing with this issue for 25 years, and right now it doesn’t matter what state you’re in. People are just sitting there saying, what is happening around me?
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Well, and we’ve got to stop these tax incentives and grants. That is the place at the federal level that’s got to stop. And we’ve got to put pressure at the federal level to get that stopped because if you can stop the money, that’s the first step in stopping the agenda.
SPEAKER 10 :
And I had one of these last night. I had a meeting last night about this very topic in Hamilton County, Nebraska. And while I’m there, I learned that there’s an AI center there. that’s going in, and Aurora, so I went to the AI Center, it’s actually functional, but they got a grant, and you can find in Nebraska alone, which I’m sure, I didn’t look up Colorado, but it’d be the same, they awarded $8.3 million last year, not from state coffers, this is money that comes through HUD, and they’re trying to restructure, and they call it community building. There’s a CBD grant, community building grants.
SPEAKER 13 :
Community Development Block Grants.
SPEAKER 10 :
There you go, Community Development Block Grants, and that is the federal government using local entities to control land and development and has nothing to do with incentivizing local business because it’s always out-of-state or out-of-country investment that comes in to do these things with those federal dollars.
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SPEAKER 10 :
I just looked it up. This is from the HUD website itself, hudexchange.com. You can find it. $3.6 billion in this particular grant to 7,000 entities in 2024. And they’re expecting growth in 2025, although they have a potential request here for 2025. They don’t have numbers posted yet. But this is exactly why, in my mind, you’re seeing these cities and local entities restructuring and changing their land use plan. And I want to share another little story that I believe plays right into this. So this past weekend, I went to the North Dakota Horse Park horse races. They have four weekends a year with horse racing in Fargo. And I talked to a friend who was going to go, too, and he said he’d gotten a room that rooms were tight in Fargo. And so I called a couple of hotels in our They were expensive. They were like $230 a night. And I’m like, no, I’m not doing that. Well, this is tourist season, and so I ended up finding one for $120, which is reasonable. And they kept telling me that it’s tight because it’s tourist season. And I’m like, yeah, okay, it’s tourist season, but not that many people go to Fargo, North Dakota for the summer tourist season. When I got to my hotel, I figured out what the problem was. I’m checking in. My hotel is fantastic. I have no problem with that whatsoever. But I had a trailer. I was pulling a trailer. I had a hog on my trailer because I was delivering it to someone. And there was some pallets, wooden pallets in the form of a V with a canvas underneath of it. Somebody is sleeping there. I guess somebody living right there. Yeah, we can’t get rid of them. The two hotels closest to this hotel were 100 percent, I could tell, refugees, not illegal immigrants. These folks have been there for quite some time. They are living in these hotels. So the whole concept is coming back to this HUD money, trying to restructure the land use. And if the HUD money is about affordable housing, what I’m witnessing has nothing to do with housing. They’re creating not even jobs because an AI center doesn’t create jobs after the construction phase. It’s controlling the local entity because, Kim, you and I have been talking about how long The answer to our liberty again comes back to, like the Constitution says, at the local level, and now they’re funneling money into the local level to change land use plans so that we cannot control it.
SPEAKER 13 :
This has got to be addressed, and this has got to be changed. And so let’s see, who’s the head of HUD? I can’t remember who.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Well, he just had that meeting. Remember, HUD got some national attention when Mike Lee proposed selling off parts of federal land. And I think his name is Mike as well, the director of HUD. But that’s exactly what’s taking place. But I am no longer in the camp, Kim. I’ll just tell you, I’m no longer in the camp that we need to fix D.C. We must dismantle D.C. And that happens when we get states stop taking money. for things they shouldn’t be taking money for. We stopped all federal funding at the state level. And I was sharing this with somebody the other day, and they said, yeah, that makes perfect sense. But then you’ve got Colorado, who’s never going to stop taking federal money. But that’s where it ends, when we get our state to stop taking payment from the federal government, giving up our sovereignty.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, and I just looked this up. Scott Turner is the United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. And so this is – you’re absolutely right. I’ve got to look more into this. But $3.6 billion and elected representatives and staff of these municipalities and counties – They don’t want to turn away from free money. But in fact, I will mention that that year that I asked all those questions, Douglas County was one of the few, I think two counties in the country that voted to not take that CDBG money. And I thought that was pretty huge. So we can say no, and then we can control our communities much better as well. I wanted to ask you about this next headline, and that is that the USDA is relocating thousands of their employees out across the country. What do you think about that, Trent Luce?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we still have 100,000-plus employees at the USDA. I suggest they go get a real job. Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I guess it was 4,600 right there in Washington, D.C., and so they want to relocate 2,600 of them. So that might be a possibility to start to reduce the workforce in the USDA, yes?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, they’re just moving them. They’re not reducing the workforce.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I guess they figure that some of them won’t want to move.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, well, that’d be great because we don’t, you know, the joke at the USDA, and I have plenty of direct friends who’ve worked there through the last 10 years, the joke at the USDA is, who’s your farmer? And that is referencing that every employee of the USDA represents one farmer. And it’s sadly closer to true than we want to recognize.
SPEAKER 13 :
I know. It really is. Yeah. I was thinking about, but the control of the farming industry, didn’t that really start back in the 30s after the Dust Bowl?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, 100%, it’s all traced back to FDR. You’re absolutely right.
SPEAKER 13 :
And so here, what, we have almost 100 years of the federal government and the, you know, basically with farmers. And boy, that’s going to be difficult to get that turned around.
SPEAKER 10 :
So I stopped on Highway 46 in Cass County, North Dakota, on my way home from Fargo. And I stopped and did a little video because on both sides of the road, corn, soybeans, corn, soybeans. It was like I was in Iowa, Illinois, Indiana. The three I states have always been the corn states. And the transformation of agriculture, even in North Dakota, when the first time I went to North Dakota in the early 90s, North and South Dakota could not grow soybeans. They’re like, well, we just don’t have a growing season for soybeans. Now they’ve adapted. They grow corn and soybeans. We used to have a tremendous wheat and oats and barley and field peas and all of these variety of crops. And so I was critical and I’m not critical of the farmer because the farmer is doing what it takes to survive. Although I think that there are farmers making an example of how we can do things other than just corn, soybeans, corn, soybeans. But it’s about the incentives. The incentives and the crop insurance, which is 100% subsidy driven by USDA, we are shaping what the production is. And somebody pointed out to me, Trent, you know what you just said, is that the government has incentivized fuel crops instead of food crops. And you look at biodiesel, you look at what’s happened in ethanol, we’re now at 15 billion gallons of ethanol a year. The incentive to the farmer is the safest method is to pursue fuel crops. And I’m all about domestic fuel, but not at the expense of soil health and everything else that I see diminishing. Because this is the same part of the country, by the way, that I, in December, witnessed people moldboard plowing. And I’m like, I thought we moved away from moldboard plowing 20 years ago. Well, there was an incentive by the government to do a moldboard plow program. I thought we were supposed to build organic matter and build the carbon within the soil structure. And the incentive is not there with the government, even though they give us lip service to do so.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, well, incentives with government putting its finger on the lever and picking winners and losers is so antithetical to the American idea. And it’s been going on. For sure, it started with Woodrow Wilson in the early 1900s. And we are at a time now where I say we’re in our third founding of America. We truly, truly are. And so we must stand for liberty. And I had mentioned this yesterday when I was talking with Mark Baisley, because he said down at the statehouse that he has a little statue of Thomas Jefferson and was looking for quotes about, I guess, the judiciary and ended up with Andrew Napolitano, who is a former judge and he’s a commentator. And he said, of all the president’s that Jefferson was the only one that got it right. All the other presidents have thought that their job was to keep America safe. But Jefferson understood that his job was to keep America free. And so that question is front and center with us. And when government has its hands in all these different industries trying to push an agenda, that is antithetical to the way this is supposed to work. We’re going to continue the discussion with Trent Luce, and we have these discussions because of our sponsors. If you have been injured, be sure to reach out to John Bozen and Bozen Law.
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It is a great day to be alive, and thank you so much for joining us. And thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. We talked with Bob Boswell, CEO of Laramie Energy, as our featured guest in hour number one. And it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal. that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. We have on the line with us Trent Luce, sixth-generation farmer and rancher. We talk about the issues facing the people that feed and fuel us. And on the line with us is Gammy. She is one of our loyal listeners, and she does so much research, I think she doesn’t sleep. But she just had this published in the, I think, in the Denver Gazette, and Colorado Springs Gazette. Gammy, welcome. You wrote a very important letter that was published. So tell us about that. Good morning.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m just going to read it, okay? Okay. Good morning, Trent. Good morning, Gammy. Put the wolves in your backyard, not mine. This was sent to our federal wildlife state, you know, farm and ranch, all the organizations, the legislators in Denver, and all my mailing lists and anybody else I could get. If some feeble group told you that rattlesnakes were misunderstood and needed acceptance and inclusion into your home, even your bed, would you accept that assessment? The bizarro world of expecting to take an animal, a predatory animal, from Canada or Northwest USA and transplant them into a scent… into a central western state defies logic. It further defies sanity. But then we are speaking of a state or gulag that wants to transplant lots of things like kids’ body parts and much more. How did we get back to the emperor has no clothes? millions of dollars spent by fake non-government organizations to convince the public that it makes sense to bring in wolves from another location, another environment, makes about as much sense as bringing bedbugs in from New York City or somewhere in the Middle East. Yet we continue to tamper with the existing environments all over this nation in the name of science and more fake studies. The population in Boulder and Denver were the most pro-wolf introduction. Why don’t we put the wolves in their backyards? The liberal penchant for creating an unrealistic idea has hit on all time high. You might even label it Rocky Mountain High brought on by early onset stone too much. This smells an awful lot like the bridges to nowhere, you know, the one the Denver gulag wanted to build for millions of dollars. We’re running a deficit in the state of Colorado, yet we keep creating one insane project after another without understanding the harm impact on the majority of the citizens of this state. We certainly have ignored the ranchers, the farmers who create our food, and many necessary resources. It seems that too many people want to tamper with nature, even at the expense of the humans living in many parts of this half-baked plan. No one is believing or hearing the ranchers crying out for dangers to the cattle, the calves. and also known as a major food source. And this is what they cut out. Why does this smell more like a globalist WEF agenda item for Agenda 2030, in which about two-thirds of us are supposed to disappear? Also, it smells of the 30 by 30 rewilding, also half-baked scenario. Or is it another roundtable alliance to create more chaos? This is foolish, unrealistic, and actually dangerous news. It needs to stop right here and now. Jeanne Rush, Colorado Springs Outrage Citizen.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s it. Okay. Gammy, thank you. Trent, she pretty well nails it, huh?
SPEAKER 10 :
There’s nothing left to be said.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thank you for joining us. Yeah, that is very well done. Very, very well done. And we are at a time right now, our farmers and ranchers, I went back to my hometown on Saturday, I did a day trip, and was talking with a friend of mine, farmers and ranchers, and she is totally… on track. She understands what’s happening. Her husband said, well, why would they want my land? And I think that is probably what many farmers and ranchers think. They can’t believe that they would try to take their land. But that is what is happening, Trent.
SPEAKER 10 :
And interestingly, just to point out, every morning, from 6.30 to 7 central time. I have somebody on from another country. And yesterday from Australia, I had two ladies on a river in Australia. And the government is coming to the individual landowners and asking them to sign easements for perpetuity for access to this land and ultimately their water. And my point in bringing that up is that this is not just a Colorado issue. It’s not just a U.S. issue. The same exact model is being put forth around the world.
SPEAKER 13 :
So what do we do about it, Trent Luth?
SPEAKER 10 :
The answer is still the same. We engage locally. There is no other answer. And you expose these HUD dollars. And they will resist two or three people. In fact, this was a summary of the meeting I had last night with just two people, who two people have been true champions in central Nebraska for these property rights issues. But we must have 2,000 not two. And so the service that you’re providing by continuing to bring it to people’s awareness and what GAMI does to motivate and fire people up with not a swat on the back but a kick about 18 inches lower, is what we need to bring an awareness and get the masses to show up because they only respond when enough people get loud enough that they cannot take it anymore.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and shedding light on these issues in this agenda is so important. Trent, we’ve got about five minutes left. What else is going on in your world that people should know about?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I guess I’m just going to share with you, we can’t just sit back and hear about these things and say that’s terrible. We need to think about our community. We need to think about our family members and how we can assist in preparing for whatever comes our way. We are resilient and we just need to not take things for granted. Implement them and remember that where you spend your consuming dollars dictates who’s a part of the future. And particularly with food, If you’re not buying food as locally as you can, then it’s on you. And we need to keep that in mind. Look at Colorado. Tremendous diversity of food production in Colorado. Just make sure you demand Colorado as often as you can.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and we probably are going to have a legislative session, a special legislative session here. My ear to the ground says it will probably be for about four days, and it will be probably beginning August 18th. And probably what they’re going to do is they want more money. There’s so much money that, as we’ve looked at it, it’s gone into education. But the big, big bulk of it goes into the health, human services, Medicaid, a whole bunch of that. uh we need to quit spending as much money we need to be engaged on this this whole cdbg thing i hadn’t hadn’t realized what was going on there so we need to be engaged there at the federal level to say stop sending this money we need to have elected say we’re not taking the money and we need to have electeds stand up for the people that they represent trent when i went out and made comments out in Albert County regarding Excel doing this land grab on this transmission line. I started my comments off, and there were probably 100 people that made comments. But I obviously always say thank you, be courteous. But I said to the commissioners, I said, your job as commissioners is to represent the people of Albert County and to protect their private property rights. You don’t work for Excel. You work for the people of of Albert County. And it’s important that electives remember that because I think they get into all these different staff meetings and they think that they’re working for the entity instead of representing the people. And it’s important that we remind them that they are representatives of the people because we are a constitutional, democratically elected republic.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think that’s a fantastic way to close this discussion because you talk about Albert County. You mentioned Douglas County, which refused the HUD grants earlier. And you have Washington County. There are examples that often are overlooked of where people have said, we’re going to control our own destiny instead of just sit back and let happen to us whatever happens. What happened in Kiowa, the odds were not in favor of the people winning. And yet the people did win because they were willing to show up and be heard. And you drove out there and it made a difference. Everybody showing up makes a difference. Actually, whether you speak or don’t speak, by simply being present makes all of the difference because you hold these individuals accountable and remind them, you do work for us.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and my understanding is El Paso County Commissioners also denied the permit. My understanding is also that Xcel is still out there threatening eminent domain in these communities because as Ginny, our listener, connected the dot, is the money is going to run out on these industrial solar and wind projects immediately. at the end of 2026 so that’s that’s why you see excel is doubling down on this so that’s why we’ve got to shed light on this this is a pr problem for excel i love it that my i can turn my lights on and then i’m warm in the winter and cool in the summer but the puc polis excel they’re all in bed together to try to control our lives and we need to make sure that we get that turned back so trent loose as always conversations are so important
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. Pretend you’re driving a team of horses and you decide where the horses go, not the horses.
SPEAKER 13 :
I love that, Trent Luce. So we will talk with Trent Luce next week. And how can people find you, Trent Luce?
SPEAKER 10 :
My sub stack is trentluce.substack.com. And actually, I don’t really want to admit this, but suddenly I’ve gotten back on TikTok and my TikTok videos are there every day. That’s loose from the hip, by the way, on TikTok. Loose from the hip.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. L-O-O-S. Trent Luce, we’ll talk next week. And I thank Gammy for her excellent letter to the editor. Our quote for the end of the show is Ralph Waldo Emerson. He said, successful is the person who has lived well, laughed often, and loved much, who has gained the respect of children, who leaves the world better than they found it. who has never lacked appreciation for the earth’s beauty, who never fails to look for the best in others or give the best of themselves. Today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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