This episode of Drive Radio dives into the nuances of Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) and its importance for truck owners. Our hosts, alongside automotive expert Steve Horvath, unravel the complexities of GVWR and highlight why understanding this aspect is crucial when considering heavy-duty tasks like towing or hauling. They emphasize the importance of not solely relying on the vehicle’s label but rather understanding manufacturers’ design intricacies and safety limits. Listeners will also benefit from practical insights on selecting the right tires for trailers, an often overlooked yet critical component for driving safety and performance. From light-duty trucks to
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SPEAKER 19 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Steve Horvath from Geno’s Auto Service. Charlie is, of course, our engineer. Larry answering phones today as well. So please give us a call. Any questions you’ve got, 303-477-5600. 303-477-5600. And we were talking… in that last hour about, you know, gross vehicle weight rating and all different things. I even did a search on this just to make sure that I was explaining things correctly. And here’s what’s also interesting is, you know, how is GVW are determined And believe it or not, there’s no particular method whereby a consumer can actually figure this out on their own. It’s all done by the manufacturer, how the truck is engineered, what the frame strength is, what the suspension capacity is, what the axle load, tire, braking, all of that, how that works. All of that is factored into what they will determine as the GVWR. So there’s really no way that you, on your own, can sit down with any kind of a calculator and figure out what that number is that all comes from the manufacturer there’s testing there’s safety things that are done with that and so on to actually determine what is that truck rated at and then to mike’s point earlier don’t forget you’ve got to factor in how much are you loading into that truck not just what the trailer or the payload is but what are you putting inside of the cab of the truck itself for example if you’ve got You’ve got a bunch of guys going hunting, and everybody weighs 250 pounds each, which, by the way, that can happen with a bunch of full-size men. You’ve got 1,000 pounds of people in it at that point. The beef. Yeah, literally. Plus, some of you guys that go bird hunting and so on, you throw a few dogs and some kennels in the back and so on, and then you throw a bunch of gear and so on. You may very well, on a 1,500-series truck, be at weight right there. Without doing anything else. And you haven’t put a load of anything in the back of the truck. So, again, know these numbers. And I encourage any of you that are even looking at vehicles, because most people that are buying a truck, not all, but most, you’re going to use the truck for something. Towing, hauling, something. I know there’s a lot of grocery getters and trucks out there as well. Those are not probably the ones I’m talking about. But those of you that are buying a truck to actually use a truck, make sure you understand all of this before you go out and then match a trailer up to it, thinking, oh, I got enough truck, I’ll go buy X trailer. Do your homework on the front side to make sure that you’re all dialed in before you actually go down that path to make sure that you’ve got everything you need specifically for what you’re going to be using the truck for. So, Conrad, you’re up. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, good morning, buddy. How you doing? Good. How are you, Conrad? We’re good. Hey, good thing you’re having this subject this morning. I’m getting ready to think about putting some new tires on my car trailer. It’s a 26-foot long. Millennium, and I’m not sure what it weighs, but, you know, my car, the Gran Torino, she weighs about 4,300 pounds. So one thing, maybe I should go with a 10-ply if I can get them, or I might get something that’s going to really hold up good, you know. It’ll take four tires for it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Mm-hmm. Well, and as you know, trailer tires are unique. They’re all on their own. For those of you listening, don’t put car tires on a trailer. Some tire places will even try to do that. Don’t, because the side load has to be made different, or you’ll break belts and so on, especially on a tandem axle trailer. So in your case, Conrad, you’re just going to buy a replacement tire of what you have right now, and most likely those are probably on that trailer going to be a 10-ply tire, I’m guessing, as big as it is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. I just changed ones on my motorcycle trailer, and those eights were the highest ones we could get for that, but I think these are bigger. on that trailer, so if I can get 10-ply, I think that’s what I should do. You know what?
SPEAKER 19 :
I’m always one of those. This is for all of you listening as well. If you’ve got an option, same tire size and so on, even on a light-duty truck, if you can do 6-ply versus 8-ply versus 10-ply, always go with the heaviest ply. Yes, the ride will get a little stiffer with a heavier ply tire, but your longevity increases greatly with that higher ply tire, Conrad, as you know.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree completely. Yeah, we’re going to go up to take the Torino up to South Dakota to Cool Deadwood Nights at the end of August here. So I want to make sure everything’s, you know, that’s a long ways to travel. I don’t want to have any problems. And the other thing I wanted to tell you about, by accident I found out something that might be helpful for a lot of people. I had to repair the flapper and the float on our toilet down in the basement. Oh, yeah, sure. People that owned it before us. Yeah, they had a low-flush toilet in there, so you had to take the tank completely off of the toilet bowl to fix it. There was this black, gunky stuff that was on there, and it got stuck, and I thought, you know, I’ve got to get something to clean this up. I didn’t want to go all the way upstairs and get my brake and parts cleaner, and it puts off a lot of gases anyway. So I thought, and my wife’s cold cream was sitting right there, and I thought, you know, she uses this to take her makeup off. I wonder if this would work, and so I… I put that on there, and, man, I tell you what, it took it right off. It’s good for hand cleaner, too. That’s hilarious.
SPEAKER 19 :
If anybody wants to know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Isn’t that cool?
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s great.
SPEAKER 04 :
Noxzema cold cream, guys. There we go.
SPEAKER 19 :
That did it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Right on. Yeah. Okay, man. Great show as always.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, Conrad, I appreciate you very much, man. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 05 :
And thank you, by the way, for the phone call. Do you know what 10-ply means? No, what is it? 10-ply means 10 layers of fabric or steel. Yeah. So it’s been rolled that many different… That’s right. So they’ve stacked up 10 of those. What is a normal…
SPEAKER 19 :
tires probably not that many four to six yeah four in a car usually six on some of the light duty trucks eights there’s not a lot of although there’s some tires that do have eight ply typically you go from six to ten but there are some eight ply tires you know out there so john and cheyenne go ahead hey john i was just laughing listening to you guys when you were talking about undersized vehicles i got a huge score my 11 ram with the 47 the guy previous owner bought it
SPEAKER 06 :
said it didn’t have enough power and traded up with 4,000. I got it with 4,000 miles on it, so I considered it a new truck. When he took a $5,000 hit off of what the sticker was to what I paid. So he took a nice loss for 4,000 miles, and I know my 4.7 is not going to pull a whole lot. So I don’t put a whole lot behind it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right, no limitations.
SPEAKER 06 :
My wife’s 5, her Hemi will probably pull a little more weight. But if you’re towing something, I saw a guy kick this morning heading out to the snowy range. I don’t know how he was steering his truck. The front end was so high up off the ground.
SPEAKER 19 :
Thank you for mentioning that, too, John. I haven’t talked about that yet, but, yeah, that’s the other thing that can happen. If you don’t have everything all leveled out properly and, you know, in some cases, even on a three-quarter ton, one-ton truck, sometimes depending upon the trailer and how it’s loaded and so on, you may need the equalizing hitch, you know, the – The hitch with the bars, for those of you that don’t know what I’m talking about, you’ll see trailers where they’ve got the bars on it where it equalizes things out. John, even on some of those heavier trucks, you still may very well need that to keep things stable and keep the front end down.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, this was a Tacoma, and the back was full of stuff, and he was towing probably maybe a 20-foot trailer towed behind.
SPEAKER 19 :
No offense, and sorry, Tacoma guys. I don’t know why they have trailer hitches on them, unless you’re hauling a really, really, really light-duty trailer. Honestly, John, they shouldn’t. A little pop-up or something. Yeah, they shouldn’t. I’m sorry, they just shouldn’t. They’re not enough truck. And I’m sorry, Tacoma guys, but I’ve got to say this. I think it just goes with the mentality, not all of you, but there’s a lot of Tacoma owners where you think you have more truck than you have. I don’t know why. It must go with the territory of owning one or something, John, because they all think they have more truck than they have, and they’re not.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and it’s the same thing. My 4Runner came with a trail hitch on it. What would I, you know, maybe I had a little 5×8 trailer.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, pop up something, motorcycle trailer or something like that maybe, but that’s about it. Bike rack. Yeah, bike rack, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you know, that’s probably what I’ve seen more people use their trailer hits on their 4×4 than anything, mountain bikes.
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s not meant to, you know, going back to the Tacoma, it’s not meant to haul a 20-foot trailer. I’ll just tell you that straight up. I don’t care what trailer it is. It shouldn’t be hauling a 20-foot trailer.
SPEAKER 06 :
No. The only thing I would say, like my 4Runner, is those new little egg-shaped trailers that you see out there that are maybe 8, 10 feet long.
SPEAKER 19 :
Those are meant to be behind something like that. Those are fine. Those are very light.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that’s what you should be towing. Correct.
SPEAKER 19 :
Little teardrop trailers.
SPEAKER 06 :
But I see people with a three-quarter ton towing a 35-foot fifth wheel, and I’m like… That’s not enough either. Really? But that’s what I… They’re not…
SPEAKER 19 :
out of balance and everything but they’re they can’t make it up the hill no i mean that’s another one where yeah that that is in my opinion that’s one where if you’ve got a 35 foot fifth wheel you need a dually crew cab dually truck so you need to be at least a three 350 or 3500 or higher and make sure everything’s all equipped properly to handle it because a 35 footer is heavy
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and one of the funny things up here, just to kind of change it, is if you’re coming up out of Laramie heading towards Cheyenne, you’ve got a seven or eight degree climb for about six miles. And they’ve got a big sign right as you hit the bottom of the hill. No trucks with trailers, campers, anything in the left lane other than passenger vehicles. And there’s a trooper that’s out there on Sunday that’s looking for the guy in his fifth wheel because he doesn’t want to be with the tractor trailer. He’s going 40 miles an hour jumping in that lane, and he’ll pull him right over.
SPEAKER 05 :
I wish we did that here, but we don’t. It’s only six miles. It’s not that long. Yeah, it’s not that far. You’ll be okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, it’s not that far until you’re stuck behind the guy doing 45.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, but if you’re hauling a 35-foot fifth wheel, it is what it is, John. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, if you’re on a 35-foot fifth world, you need to be in the middle of the right lane, not the left lane.
SPEAKER 19 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 06 :
But, you know, it’s just one of those things. But, John, you have a good weekend.
SPEAKER 19 :
Hey, appreciate you, John. You bet. Take care. We’ll come back in a moment. Questions, 303-477-5600. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for listening. Okay, one thing that I wanted to cover today. We don’t have any calls right now, so I’ve got a little bit of time to slip this in. We do have lines open. 303-477-5600. 303-477-5600. Myself, Steve Horvath from Geno’s Auto Service. Larry Unger, of course, answering phones. And Charlie Grimes, our engineer. Okay, something I wanted to cover this week because you don’t see this a lot, although you do see emergency vehicles on the road from time to time. And I think there’s so much confusion around what you’re supposed to do when an emergency vehicle is around you. And most people have no idea. I’ve seen people on a divided highway, when there’s an emergency vehicle coming the other direction at them, pull over. You don’t have to. If the highway is divided, in fact, if it’s a four lane highway, even with a double stripe down the middle, you do not have to pull over unless there’s so much traffic. There’s no other way that that emergency vehicle can get by in the other lanes. Well, then you probably should pull over, let them into the oncoming lane, you know, coming at you. That’s a different situation. But if traffic is flowing freely and there’s plenty of room on the other side and it’s a double yellow and they’re coming at you and it’s a city street and there’s four lanes, you’re in the right lane, they’re coming at you on the other side opposing you, you don’t have to pull over. A lot of people do. You don’t have to. Now, I’ve seen the opposite happen. The traffic, you know, you can see in your rearview mirror that there’s an emergency vehicle coming. And in that case, yes, you need to pull over, let them around. But now, once again, let’s say you’re on I-70 and an emergency vehicle is coming and it’s in the left lane. Okay, pull over to the other three lanes. If there’s four lanes, pull over to the other three lanes, any one of them, take your pick. You do not have to pull over on the shoulder and stop. You do not have to slow down to 35 miles an hour. Do the speed limit, pull over, get out of that lane, let the emergency vehicle come by, and it’s all good. I can’t tell you how many times I watch people do everything from putting their hazards on to pulling over to doing all sorts of things when they don’t have to do anything other than drive because the emergency vehicle is in the other lanes coming at them. Now, if you’re on a two-lane road and there’s an emergency vehicle coming and you’re approaching it, in other words, you’re facing each other, yeah, go ahead and pull over, get over on the shoulder because they may need that entire roadway to get by. That’s a different scenario. But most of the roads where there’s more than one lane, you don’t have to do that pulling over all the way to the right-hand side of the road. In fact, I even looked this up just to make sure that I was… I was okay on all of this, and everything I just told you is exactly the way it’s supposed to work. And then last but not least, don’t block the intersection. Now, I will say this. I’ve seen this happen as well. The light’s red. The emergency vehicle is coming behind you, and it has to get through the intersection, and there’s nobody else coming. Everybody can see that there’s an emergency vehicle coming, and the entire place has now locked down to a standstill. i have the opinion and i guess an officer could tell me if i’m right wrong or otherwise but if you’re in that left lane and they’re coming at you from behind and the only way for them to get around you is for you to go ahead and pull through the intersection pull through the intersection get out of the way let i know you’re running a red light but at that point in time you’re getting out of the way of that emergency vehicle that is on its way to an emergency Pull through the intersection. Do whatever you can to get out of the way and let them come by. I’ve seen so many people, because the light is red, just sit there and not move, and the emergency vehicle has nowhere to go. It’s like, would somebody please run the red light and let this person, you know, let this emergency vehicle through? It’s okay at that point as long as there’s no other traffic coming. Everything is safe. If you can pull through and get out of the way, let the emergency vehicle come through. Don’t block the intersection is the point. I can’t tell you how many times I see people make the wrong move in these particular areas and block traffic, and there’s no reason to do so. Dennis, go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, John, I’m going to differ with you on the divided height street situation.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
So… I would ask people to pull over to the right and stop even if there’s an emergency vehicle coming at them.
SPEAKER 19 :
Why?
SPEAKER 11 :
Because you don’t know where that emergency vehicle is going and if you’re near an intersection they may very well want to cross into oncoming traffic.
SPEAKER 19 :
If you’re approaching an intersection, Dennis, that one I can understand. But if you’re out in the middle of nowhere and there’s no intersections around, there’s no streets around, there’s no neighborhood, there’s no nothing, why do I have to pull over? And that’s mainly what I’m talking about because I’ve seen people do that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, because, you know, if you are in a neighborhood, they may want to use a break in the divide to go against traffic and make a left-hand turn into the intersection.
SPEAKER 19 :
That one I would agree with. And that’s going back to the whole don’t block the intersection end of things, which I see knuckleheads do, you know, all the time. Going back to my example of where the intersection is now full, the emergency vehicle is pulling up. Is it okay for one person to run a red light to let that person through?
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s okay for six people to run red lights.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay, thank you, Dennis.
SPEAKER 11 :
That emergency vehicle driver should have gotten into oncoming traffic a block away, went against traffic through the intersection, and then got back into the correct lane.
SPEAKER 05 :
Gotcha. I understand now. Makes sense. Absolutely. There’s quite a bit of training, I’m sure, with those drivers.
SPEAKER 11 :
Mass confusion, you know, to the point where We finally had a directive where if we came upon a major intersection with, you know, people stopped at red lights, that we had to shut the red lights and siren off and wait for the light to turn green so we could turn our lights and siren back on because otherwise it was mayhem.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because nobody knows what to do.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. And you know all this because you’re an ex-firefighter, correct? Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
34 years.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, so you’ve been in these situations. Okay, really quick while I got you. What do you think is one of the biggest mistakes people make when it comes to all this emergency vehicle and not knowing what to do? What are some of, because I’m sure there’s more than one, what are some of their bigger mistakes?
SPEAKER 11 :
So true story, people have their radios up way too loud.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 11 :
They see something in their rearview mirror, look up and see the front of our grill on the fire truck. and slam on their brakes 19 feet in front of us. And we weigh 32 tons.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re not stopping.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, we’re going to be lucky to dodge them, but we’re not stopping.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yep, you got it. Not to get off on a tangent, but I don’t think most people, when they go to take their driving test, know anything about what we’re talking about. It should be on there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Along with every other traffic law.
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s amazing to me. Really, I mean, honestly, it’s amazing to me to watch people. I have been going down I-70 where there’s a Jersey barrier and there’s oncoming emergency vehicle, and I’ve seen people pull over to the right-hand lanes. I’m like, people, there’s a Jersey barrier. They’re not going anywhere. If they’re coming over, it’s not good. Yeah, exactly. They come over the wall. We’ve got other problems.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and we have had to get off the highway, go underneath, and come up the exit ramp onto the
SPEAKER 19 :
opposing lanes of traffic but uh that’s a different scenario we’re on the wrong side of the highway you’re going to know it exactly that’s a whole yeah if you’re if they’re coming down the hov lane at you yeah okay get out of the way do everything necessary that’s a whole different set of circumstances dennis but literally i have seen people literally put on their flashers their hazards and start moving over when there’s you know you’re going westbound on i-70 there’s emergency vehicle coming eastbound
SPEAKER 11 :
It truly is the greatest show on earth.
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s amazing. And I saw some of that this past week. It’s what reminded me to put it in the show notes for today because I think there’s a lot of people out there, Dennis, that have no idea. The intersection thing is the biggest one to me. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been at an intersection. You’re three or four cars back. There’s a police car or a fire truck ambulance coming behind you. Nobody knows what to do. Nobody will run the red light to make a lane for that person to get through. And it’s like, people, just run the light. It’s not a problem. The guy’s not going to pull you over.
SPEAKER 11 :
especially if it’s a police officer because, you know, fire trucks and ambulances don’t have PA systems. But I’ve seen police officers tell people to go through the red light so they can get through.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, run the light so I can get through. I have too, Dennis. I’ve seen the same thing. It’s amazing to me that people don’t know some of these common sense things.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that cop’s not going to their house, so they don’t care.
SPEAKER 19 :
I guess that’s true. Yeah, no, you have a good point. Yeah. So, I mean, sorry, but you’re right. You’re very right on that.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right, you guys have a good day.
SPEAKER 19 :
Dennis, thanks. Thanks for the tips. No, I appreciate that, and I think there’s a lot of misconception, especially around the intersection end of things. When there’s an emergency vehicle coming, everybody freezes, nobody knows what to do, and the reality is that that emergency vehicle has to get through the intersection some way, somehow. Somebody’s going to have to make a move and run the light and get out of the way so that emergency vehicle can come through. All right, we’ll come right back. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio KLZ 560. Somebody asked and called in if I would, Dan, if I would give an update on the 6.2 General Motors V8 recall 2022 to 2024 vehicles. I do have some updates on that because I owned one until this week, and I’ll give you an update on all of that here in just a moment. So hang tight, and I’ll update everybody on that. Bob and Lakewood, go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, John, thanks for taking my call. I talked to you, like, oh, it’s been two or three weeks ago. Yeah, on the six liter? Yes, sir, that’s it. And so we went in, I think I told you, you know, we heard a chirping sound to begin with, and ended up figuring out that it was a lifter, so we placed those with Thule Johnson. um put it all back together drove it it ran fine come back shut it off when to put it back in my shop or my garage and it just smoked you know like the whole neighborhood caught on fire so we thought what in the world so we ended up taking off the intake manifold and looking at it and that intake manifold john warped almost 20 thousands wow We put and, you know, we milled the heads four thousandths on each side and, you know, thought that that manifold should have been on there just fine. You know, we followed the torque sequence, the inch pounds, and done everything like we should. But we ended up pulling it off. Like I said, it was warped. Ordered a new one from Summit Racing. And I just want to give a shout out to them. That place was absolutely great to get parts from. They sent me a brand new AC Delco intake manifold, $218 in the box. Put it on with the gaskets, the same gaskets that we had, torqued it down, no smoke, and runs like a top. Awesome. Awesome. I’m just curious why that thing would work like that. I mean, obviously, you know, it’s an 09, so it’s got some miles on it, but.
SPEAKER 19 :
Still, honestly, heat, that’s about the only reason to make them do that, Bob, is heat.
SPEAKER 08 :
Heat, right. All right, well, anyway, John, we figured it out. And I just had one thing to vent on at the end here. No, go ahead. On May 14th, you know, I had to buy a quart of oil. I put some Valvoline 530 in it, full synthetic, just as kind of a break-in after we’d done those lifters and everything. And I paid $5.99 for it at NAPA. I went and bought another quart the other day from O’Reilly, $12.59. Geez. I’m honest about it. And I’ve tried to research why that’s so expensive, and it says, well, there’s all these additional costs to process synthetic oil. Do you have any idea if that’s correct?
SPEAKER 19 :
No, that’s not correct. That has nothing to do with it at all.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so had you experienced that oils went up that much in like a month and a half?
SPEAKER 19 :
No, it hasn’t. There’s something odd going on there. I have no idea. No, it hasn’t. I don’t think, Bob, it’s changed at all in the last month. I mean, some synthetic oil, depending upon what you’re buying and what its specs are and so on, can be higher than another. But in general, no, there hasn’t been any huge increase as of the last month. None.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so I wonder if that was just the place I bought it from that decided they wanted to double the price.
SPEAKER 05 :
Or the counter person.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, they put in the wrong code. In other words, most people don’t know this, but every parts store, Napa included, they have got several different pricing categories that you can fall into. And everything from, okay, you’re a really big dealer like Steve, where you buy tens of thousands of dollars of parts in a month, you’re going to get a better deal than somebody just walking in off the street will get. We call that the walk-in customer. And then there’s the retail price. You very well, Bob, could have just got charged retail and not even gotten the better price that the walk-in customer gets. That’s probably what happened. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, because I got it a whole lot cheaper at Napa.
SPEAKER 19 :
I would take that receipt back to them and ask, hey, what’s the scoop here?
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. All right, John. Hey, thank you.
SPEAKER 19 :
You’re very welcome, Bob. No, appreciate the phone call very much. Thank you for that. Kyle and Dallas, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, John. How are you doing today? I’m good.
SPEAKER 19 :
How are you?
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m doing well. Hey, you know, between people who don’t have enough power to… For their trailer or the other people who don’t know how to get out of the way of the emergency vehicle, it kind of seems to be kind of a general knucklehead theme to the last part of the show here. I’ve got something to add to that. Recently this week I was watching the Weather Channel, and they were showing all these heavy thunderstorms they’ve had up in the Dakotas and Nebraska and so forth. They were going from one Photoshop clip to the other. showing wind and hail and lightning. And one of the clips that they had was an interstate out in the middle of nowhere, and people had stopped under an underpass.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Don’t do that. I’ll tell you what. I mean, yeah, can you imagine driving along an interstate in a blinding thunderstorm, and all of a sudden the traffic just comes?
SPEAKER 19 :
Has to be, Kyle, one of the most dangerous things you could ever do. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Absolutely. I think if I found myself in a situation like that where you’re going to get hail damage to your car anyway, I think I’d just take the exit to get off the interstate and just wait it out.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. I mean, the reality is it’s going to be damaged anyways. And now at that point, I’m kind of like the – I’m sorry to say this, Kyle, but I’m kind of like, okay – It’s like that car that gets on fire. Add gas, burn it to the ground, total it, and call it good. So if I’m in that bad of a hailstorm, let it hail as much as you want to at that point. Yeah. Literally. I mean, at that point in time, beat this thing up to nothing else, and then I’m going to get rid of it and buy something else anyway, so who cares?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, just carry a ball-peen hammer with you. Exactly. Call it good. And just complete with the hail. Exactly.
SPEAKER 19 :
Just finish it off for them. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I just saw that on the news, and I thought, oh, my gosh, that’s something I’ve got to call in on. Great topic.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, Kyle, this goes along, and I see this every day. Literally, this time of year, I see it every single day. That is the person changing a tire on the side of the interstate. You can’t pick. anything more stupid and insane to do than changing a tire on the side of an interstate drive to the next exit. That wheel that you may damage, I say may because you may not damage it, but that wheel you may damage is far less costly than your life or someone else’s.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I kind of keep up with the news in Denver and, uh, There was an incident up there on I-70. I think it was early, early on yesterday morning where something had fallen off somebody’s car, and they stopped, and they were running out in the middle of I-70 to retrieve it, and they got hit and killed.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, Kyle. Oh, my word. Oh, how dumb. No item. No item is worth that. I don’t care what it is. No. No. No, it’s not. I mean, honestly, I don’t care if it’s a $100,000 diamond that just fell out in the air. It is not worth it. No life is worth that. No.
SPEAKER 07 :
No. And again, it comes back to those people who insist on stopping under an underpass. And they put everybody at risk behind them. That’s right.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s exactly. They’re being very selfish when they do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Well, you have a good week.
SPEAKER 19 :
Kyle, thank you. Great comments. I hope everything’s going well in Dallas. Thank you so much for listening. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Art in Lakewood, you’re next.
SPEAKER 19 :
Hey, Art, can you turn your radio down, too, while you’re at it?
SPEAKER 07 :
Art, are you there?
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay, Art’s got the delay going, so Charlie or Larry, talk to him, let me know when he’s ready to go. And I’ll throw this in really quick, because we might just take Art after the break. On the 6.2 liter Chevy engines, to get back to what Dan was asking. Okay, here’s how they’re handling that, and I found all this out this past week. So, General Motors is doing those recalls in lots. starting with the oldest vehicles first, running then up into the 2024. So if you’ve got a 2024, unless you’ve got some pull or some sway with some dealer or they have some sway with General Motors, you’re going to be last on the list because what they’re doing is they’re doing these recalls in batches. So even though the dealer right now could take any vehicle and perform the recall and determine whether that vehicle is going to be good or not, they can’t get the vehicle, quote-unquote, released immediately. until GM releases these batches and or you get a special code from GM that will allow that vehicle to be released. In other words, say you want to trade a vehicle off, like I did mine this last week. If you want to trade yours off, you’ve got to get approval from the dealer. The dealer has to get approval from GM. They can then perform the recall. That recall is now done. They can now take that vehicle on trade and sell it because in Colorado, you cannot sell a vehicle with a known recall. by that original dealer. So in the case of a GM dealer on a 6.2, you cannot trade that vehicle in. I mean, you can, but they’re going to discount things heavily because that vehicle can’t be resold until that recall is actually done. So that’s how they’re doing that. 4% failure rate right now on the 6.2s as far as what are coming through on the recall. So it’s a pretty low number, meaning most 6.2s are probably going to be okay. But that’s the scoop. So if you’ve got a 6.2 liter vehicle, Chevy vehicle, And you’re waiting for that recall. If you’re a 24 model year, for example, you’re going to be waiting a while. You might even be into early next year before that gets completely done, at least the latter part of this year, just because of how many of those they have to get done. There’s like 600 and some thousand vehicles across the country that they have to get through that process. What is the recall? What are they performing? What they’re doing is they’ve got a special device where they’re listening to the engine for any kind of engine noise. And there’s some check engine lights and some other things they’re doing in the computer system itself to determine if there’s any issues, anything that was about to turn on and so on. But if everything checks out well with the machinery that they’ve got that they’re using to listen to things, they then change the oil over to 040. They’re changing the oil cap to say the same. They’re putting, of course, the recall through. It’s all process done, and off you go. Hmm. That’s how that’s being handled. Now, again, that’s 22 to 24, 6.2 liters in any of the vehicles they have been installed in. Could be Escalade, could be Silverado, could be a Denali vehicle, could be whatever. I mean, you name it, if it’s got a 6.2 liter in it, and that’s how it’s going to work. So if you’ve got a later vehicle and haven’t gotten a recall notice, that’s because you’re not up to have that block, that block of VIN numbers actually done and released from GM at that time. So that’s how it’s actually working, and I learned all of that this past week. Awesome. Art in Lakewood. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hello, John. Thank you for taking my call. You’re welcome. Hey, I’ve got a 97 Chevy pickup truck. Okay. It’s just in mint condition. I bought it from the original owner, and it’s only got $147,000. However, the rear seal on the differential that hooks to the drive shaft… Pinion seal. Yeah, pinion seal. I tried to say that, but I couldn’t. That’s okay. Anyway… I’m going to change the grease in the rear end and manufacturer is 90 weight. Do you suggest that maybe I should go to 120 weight or stick with the 90?
SPEAKER 19 :
No, 80-90 is fine in that. That’s just a 10 bolt. Now, when you do the pinion seal, that’s one you have to be very careful in because that is a crush sleeve that set the original preload for the pinion bearings on that when it was made. So you need to mark the pinion and the nut and the threads to make sure that when you put that back together, it goes back into the exact same spot it was.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 19 :
No tighter, no looser, exactly the same.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, great. John, I’ve got another quick question. Yes. I know you guys are going to quit here pretty quick. No, you’re fine. On that 97 Chevy, it’s a 350, and I take my vehicles in like in the fall.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I have them, you know, tune it up and so forth. I haven’t done it in a couple of years. My question is, what are some of the filters and sensors that I need to be aware of that makes sure that they know that we’re on the same page, that they change those things out.
SPEAKER 19 :
And on a 97, is that one port injected or throttle body? I don’t remember on that 97. I think some of those started varying. So is it a port injection or is it throttle body? throttle body okay so throttle bodies are pretty easy not really much you need to do you can change the fuel filters down along the side of the frame on that truck on the on the driver’s side so change the fuel filter uh run some 44k from bg through it at the same time that’ll help with the injectors and then of course check plugs and plug wires and cap and rotor and all that kind of stuff
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Now, is there any sensors in there, John? No. Okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
Not on that truck.
SPEAKER 09 :
No sensor.
SPEAKER 19 :
No. That’s a speed density system. There’s no mass airflow sensor that needs clean. They could look at the throttle body and maybe do a little bit of throttle body cleaner up in that area. Carb cleaner actually on those works fine. But realistically, it’s probably not going to have a lot in it. And those old throttle body units would run and run and run and run and run. They were actually very solid. Yeah. Solid system.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, great. One other quick story in relation to all the people parking on the highway. I don’t know if you ever knew this, but remember when Spiegel’s was opened down on Santa Fe?
SPEAKER 05 :
I know what story you’re going to tell me. Yeah, I know that one. Let’s hear it. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
You already know. No, go ahead. I won’t repeat it. No, we want to hear it. I don’t know it. I haven’t heard it, Art. Go ahead. Mr. Spiegel, he was just… He was the greatest guy. His son went to school with me. But we were kids then, and he was such a pack rat. And he went out on Santa Fe. Now, this is in the 60s, and it wasn’t as bad as it is now. And this is the 60s. And he went out there, and he picked up a sheet of 4×8 plywood that somebody had come off their truck. And he went out, picked it up. brought it back over, or attempted to. The wind caught it, threw him back in the traffic, and it was all over.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, I did not know that. That’s how he passed away. I did not know that. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 09 :
What story did you hear?
SPEAKER 05 :
I heard it was, that’s exactly what I heard. I thought it was more in the 70s or 80s, but that doesn’t matter when.
SPEAKER 09 :
It is how. I might be off on those dates, you know, regardless.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s exactly what I heard. It’s now interesting. They’ve changed that all over to a roofing thing. It’s huge. There’s no more cars there. A little sad to see because it was kind of a cool place.
SPEAKER 09 :
It was a cool place. You go in there and, you know, when I went in there when they were closing down and they were getting all that stuff out of there, oh, gosh, I can’t remember. Jay was the guy that I went to school with, but his brother who ran the counter down there, man, he was telling me what they got out of there. I think there was like at least, I might be wrong on this, It might be more, but at least seven tractor-trailer loads of everything you can imagine. And I was upstairs, and I’d been in the back and everything, that went to the West Coast for a – and somebody could probably add to this story – went to the West Coast that was bought by a used part manufacturer out on the West Coast. But that upstairs, man, he had that thing so organized. Everything was marked, and we’re talking about stuff, carburetors, alternators, starters, that went clear back into the 30s and the 20s, you know. So it was really cool. Anyway.
SPEAKER 19 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 09 :
I won’t hold you guys up.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, good stuff, Art. No, thank you. Thank you for that very much. I had not heard that story. Mark and Eaton, hang tight. We’ll get your questions answered as well. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, sir. Quick question. Actually, I’ve got two questions for you if you’ve got a minute. Yeah. Paul joins on a 2005 Dodge Ram pickup. I’ve noticed that some that are coming now when I replace them, that have the grease zerk fittings on them that I haven’t seen before.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Is that a wise move? I mean, Federal Mogul has a set that I can buy. They’re a little more pricey than the others, but they have grease zerk fittings on them. Will that save or at least make the lifespan of those a little bit longer?
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s $2,500. Is that what you said? I’m sorry. Yes, sir. I would actually, on that truck, they make, and I’m looking them up right now, they make an upgraded machined type ball joint for that. They’re aftermarket. They’re called, I think, Kryptonite. They’re going to be a lot more money, but that’s all I would use. I would buy a set of those.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, because I know that this thing, these Dodges tend to be kind of hard.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, they’ll eat them up. And these Kryptonites will last so much longer.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, that sounds good. I’ll look it up.
SPEAKER 19 :
And then, you know, like all of your diesel truck places, like, oh, I don’t know, Diesel Power, et cetera. I mean, all of the big, bigger aftermarket diesel guys will have those you can buy. I don’t know if anybody in town stocks them, but that’s what I would use.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hmm. I know Napa has a green booted one that’s pretty good. Okay. That’s an updated, but I don’t know on the diesels. We don’t do a lot of diesels, so I can’t say.
SPEAKER 19 :
I don’t think, you know, Carly makes some really expensive ones, by the way, Mark, that are like $1,000. Unless you’ve got big, huge tires and you’re doing a bunch of off-roading and stuff, I don’t think you need to go that extreme.
SPEAKER 10 :
This truck’s pretty much basically the way it came from the factory.
SPEAKER 19 :
Then those ones I’m telling you would work fine. They’re about $200 for a set.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
And I would look at even the green ones that Steve was just talking about would be fine as well.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. That sounds good. And then I’ve got a dumb question for you. I’ve got an older Buick. I talked to you about this a few weeks ago where it keeps tripping that vapor recovery switch. Oh, yeah. Does the fact that I have gasoline full in the tank, because I reset it and filled the tank up for a long, long ways until all of a sudden I’m running out of gas or running low on gas. Now all of a sudden it trips it off again. Does that have anything to do with it at all?
SPEAKER 19 :
It shouldn’t. I wouldn’t think so, no.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. I’m just curious because it’s happened twice now that I’ve done that. And it seems like after a while it comes back on. And I’m kind of… I guess you might say, because I’m assuming that I’ve got a vapor leak someplace. I just don’t know why it doesn’t do it almost right away. As soon as I reset it, it should come right back on, you would think.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And it doesn’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
It depends on your driving thing, too, what driving cycle you’re in, you know, because it runs certain tests at certain times, and if you’re not hitting that exact parameter, it’s not going to do the test.
SPEAKER 10 :
I got you. Okay, that may be what I’m looking at.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you drove totally, slightly different, and it didn’t do the test.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. All right, well, I’m going to have to take it to the shop and let somebody fiddle with it because I can’t figure it out.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they’ll have to smoke test it and see what they can find. That’s what I need to do, yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I’m thinking that’s what I’m having to do. Okay, that’s what I was after. I appreciate it. Kryptonite on the ball joint.
SPEAKER 19 :
Kryptonite or any of the other aftermarket heavy-duty joints. Don’t try to put the standard joints back in it. They just don’t last, as you know.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, that sounds good.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right, Mark. I appreciate it. And really quick, along those lines, this is something where even a guy like Steve might be able to help you. If needed, because alignment specs on those can get really weird as well, you might need offset ball joints to help with the alignment. So if you’re going to do this, make sure that you don’t need those because if you’re going to do that, put the offset ones in to begin with so you can align it properly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
So if camber is off, make sure you’re putting in the offset joints.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, I’ll look into that because that’s something I was going to go ahead and have a shop up here do it for me.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I would do the alignment check first. Just see if they can get you a number. Exactly, because if you’re going to be off and need an offset joint, do that then at that same time.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, evidently, did they have a call-up on the front end on these in an 04 that required them to weld the tie rod?
SPEAKER 19 :
No.
SPEAKER 10 :
They did not?
SPEAKER 19 :
No.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because there was… call on it right shortly after I bought it.
SPEAKER 19 :
I don’t think that was the tie rod. I thought that was the track bar that they did that on. I’d have to go back in my memory bank. I think it’s a track bar, Mark, not the tie rod. Because if you do a tie rod, you’ll never adjust the towing, so it wouldn’t be that. It had to be the track bar.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Because they’re telling me I’m going to have to replace the tie rod. When I got the idea of how much for $4,000, it’s
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s a lot. And, Mark, you’re breaking up, and I’m running out of time. Tell you what, send me an email on that, or a text message, and I’ll answer that question a little more specifically. Just go to drive-radio.com, send us the contact us, and I’ll answer it that way. Steve, thanks as always, man. Thank you. Appreciate you very much. Gino’s Auto Service, Charlie Grimes, our engineer, Larry Unger, answering phones today. Thank you very much for all of that. Guys, thanks for listening. Have a great rest of your day, and we can drive radio KLZ 560.
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