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In this episode of The Kim Munson Show, Kim delves into a series of topics crucial to understanding the landscape of modern governance. From the socialization of public sectors like transportation, education, and energy to the role of government in the mechanics of freedom versus force, Kim breaks down complex issues into digestible insights. Tune in to explore how force masquerades as policy and what it means for the average citizen.
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The socialization of transportation, education, energy, housing, and water. What it means is that government controls it through rules and regulations.
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The latest in politics and world affairs.
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Under this guise of bipartisanship and nonpartisanship, it’s actually tapping down the truth.
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On an equal field in the battle of ideas, mistruths and misconceptions is getting us into a world of hurt.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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indeed let’s have a conversation and welcome to the kim munson show thank you so much for joining us you’re each treasured you’re valued you have purpose today’s drive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history thank you to the team that’s producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike theresa amanda and all the people here at crawford broadcasting happy wednesday producer joe happy wednesday kim It is hump day. It’s also wings day at Hooters restaurants. You buy 20 wings, you get an additional 10 for free. And that is for to go or to dine in. And their locations are Loveland, Aurora and Westminster. And football season is basically here. So a great place to get together to watch the games and have great conversations with friends. And on those lunch specials, I know for sure, Kurt Gerwitz says they are terrific, and that is fish tacos. But I know that the nachos and the fish and chips are pretty darn delicious as well. So be sure and check that out. Our website is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And we search for truth and clarity online. By looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it’s never compassionate nor altruistic to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunity, childhoods, or lives via force. And force can be a weapon. But it can also be policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, this agenda of the World Economic Forum and globalist elites that plays out through the United Nations. But we also see it in state policies at this Colorado state legislature with this Colorado governor. But also we see it play out in local and county governments as well. And it can be a variety of things. It can be land use codes and zoning regulations and forest fees and conservation easements and a whole bunch of different things there. And we need to be pushing back on that. Property rights is so important and certainly we need to be good neighbors to each other, but also property rights are inherent in the American idea. Remember, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. And on the show, we focus on the issues, not the personalities. We will talk about people and the issues that they’re pushing, but we really try to stay out of all that eighth-grade girl name-calling that can happen sometimes in politics. And so we will stay focused on the issues. Our word of the day is an interesting one. It is blisome. And it is spelled B-L-I-T-H-E-S-O-M. And it could be lighthearted, merry, or cheerful. And so hopefully we can have some things in our lives that we look at from a blithesome standpoint today. We always need to be, I think we need to be blithesome. How’s this? We need to be blithesome warriors. We need to be. Or as somebody said, happy warriors as we are engaged in this battle of ideas that is raging out there. I quoted the day I went to Will Rogers and this made me chuckle a little bit. He was born in 1879. He died in 1935. He was an American vaudeville performer, actor and humorous social commentator. He was born as a citizen of the Cherokee Nation in the Indian Territory, now part of Oklahoma, and is known as Oklahoma’s favorite son. And as an entertainer and humorist, he traveled around the world three times. He made 71 films and wrote more than 4,000 nationally syndicated newspaper columns. That’s remarkable. By the 1930s, he was hugely popular in the United States for his leading political wit and was one of the higher paid Hollywood film stars. He died in 1935 with Aviator Wiley Post when their small airplane crashed on takeoff from a lagoon near Point Barrow in northern Alaska. And Will Rogers said this. He said, I know worrying works because none of the stuff I worried about ever happened. And again, that’s Will Rogers. Going to some of our headlines on the local level, a couple of things. The first is saving the Etwala Bakery on Lookout Mountain Road. They have two tiny homes that are on the property. The property is zoned commercial. And so that’s where the rub is occurring is Jefferson County says they cannot have these tiny homes near where they work. Now, I find it ironic that these PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties are putting in transit-orientated development with lots of permitting, with lots of subsidizing some of these apartments so that people can live near where they work. But here we have et voila that is doing that. And they I think they need a variance to be able to from a permitting standpoint to get past this whole rub. And thanks to all of you and the attention that we’re getting is I think it’s a positive move is Jefferson County attorneys want to meet with the attorneys for et voila. It’s crazy to me that a little bakery has to have attorneys to get this figured out. But that is happening tomorrow. So continue to pray for Evola. Continue to sign the petition and have your friends sign the petition at change.org and just put in French bakery. And we will continue to shed light on this because this can be fixed. And I just would call on Jefferson County to fix it. Now, many of you I need to see. I ended up on the email that I sent to Jefferson County initially. They did not like my Kim at Kim Munson dot com email. email address, and so some kind of security thing kicked that out. So I used a different address, but several of you forwarded back to me, thank you, Mary, Paula, Ben, the email that you received back from Jefferson County commissioners. And it was, everybody got the same letter back, and it was signed by all the commissioners. And I find that interesting that they did not actually reach out individually to any of us, but it did get their attention, so that’s good. So we will stay tuned on the Et Voila French Bakery. The next thing, and I realized this, that when they say that politics are local, Everyday people are busy with their lives, and what’s happening on an international or a national level They’re interested in looking at the headlines, I think. But what really gets people engaged is what is happening at the local level. For example, what’s happening with this little bakery up on Lookout Mountain. So on a national and international stage, Trump, this is remarkable what he’s working on trying to get accomplished between Russia and Ukraine, and that is peace. And this is from Newsmax, says after Trump rules out U.S. troops on the ground in Ukraine, top officials are scrambling to hammer out a peace plan. And so he met with Putin last week in Alaska. Zelensky and some other world leaders were at the White House on Monday. And I love the fact that he’s getting people to the table to talk about peace. That is really important. But on a local level. I think many of you, when we see what’s happening to Denver, this beautiful city that we love or have loved, crime, dirty, homelessness. These are things that our electeds need to be really working on instead of trying to put the hammer down on like a little bakery up on French, a little French bakery up on Lookout Mountain Road. There are things that need to be solved. And these problems occur because For example, the homelessness problem occurs because they’re putting so much money towards it that you’re not going to solve the problem the more and more money that you put to it because there’s so many more and more grifters that are making money off of that. Speaking of that, I think it was Mary that sent over a little video of a homeless person, I think in Denver, who said that there were different agencies that were trying to sign him up to help him, I’ll put that in air quotes, because they receive funding for each of the homelessness that they have signed up in their programs. So there were multiple agencies that were signing him up, but he really wasn’t getting help from those agencies. And this is what happens when government gets involved in solving a problem. And so what we need to do is lower taxes so everyday people have more money in their pockets so that they can go out, work, go after their hopes and dreams and Americans are very charitable and Americans will Americans will donate money to solve these social problems. And they will donate to nonprofits, but truly nonprofits, nonprofits that are not getting government money. And then they can hold them accountable. You can say, okay, nonprofit A, are you actually solving the problem? If you are, great, more and more people will probably contribute to you. But hey, nonprofit B, if you are not solving the problem, then people will not fund them. Well, that doesn’t happen in government. What happens when government money’s involved is that they don’t really need results. They just want the money to dole out around, and the problem does not go away. So with that, though, Denver City Council was tone deaf. to the fact that they were laying off 171 employees. And then they were going to have a $26,000 mountain retreat for a couple of days with not all of the city council members, and this was an issue that a friend of mine that was talking with him yesterday, he says, I have never written my city council person, but I wrote them regarding this. And so with that… The Denver City Council now has decided to postpone it, not because they were really, I don’t think they were feeling compassionate towards the 171 people that were losing their jobs, but because there was such a public backlash on it. And so that is at least getting to the point where they are doing the right thing. And so I’m glad about that. We will continue to shed light on things. There’s another, let’s see, article, and we’ll probably really talk about this with Trent Luce in the next hour. But what we are seeing with this gobbling up of farmland, of industrial solar and wind projects, And then the gobbling up of land for the transmission lines to get this intermittent power to, for example, urban areas, it really does not make sense. I’ll just say it does not make sense. And so the USDA announced that they’re going to limit funding for solar and wind on farmland. And it’s crazy to me that the USDA would be funding programs that would be gobbling up farmland. It just common sense left the room on that one. So we’ll talk about that a little bit later. I wanted to say thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. And then all of you who support us, we’re an independent voice on an independent station. Another great sponsor of the show is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And Roger’s been in business for almost 50 years, serving his customers, providing for his family, giving back to the community. 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Good morning, Kim. How are you?
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Good. So what happened? Were you up late last night? What happened?
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Yeah, it was a pretty long meeting, kind of a nail biter to the very end. Kind of proved positive that citizen engagement has an effect. They had a package of 67 different amendments to to vote on. And some of the larger ones were kind of flagged for further review. We had a point where it almost was going to get to a continuance, so they were talking about continuing the meeting because there’s just so much to go through.
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Now, the amendments are to what?
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Well, one was very interesting.
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But is it to a comprehensive plan? Is it a comprehensive plan or what?
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No, sorry, land development code to the actual law, not just the advisory kind of planning documents, but as the actual code. So they were trying to, staff had brought up an idea to change the purpose of parks and open space land, and they put language in such as, Public schools, libraries, cultural centers, and public hospitals. And that kind of hit everybody in a weird zone in their life where it’s like, okay, if these parks and open space and on land are predominantly saved for a specific recreation purpose or just for open space, why would that language get put in? And staff was trying to say that we were wrong, that public hospitals wasn’t part of it. But it’s right there in the red lines, and we actually had to show it on an overhead projector. So, you know, city council took that, and they struck all that language out. And they were very concerned, which was a good thing. They were very concerned as well about the expansion of uses in a park or open space on land. So that was actually a win. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It’s interesting because we look back and there’s a bond issue in 1974. 30 of our parks were voted on 51 years ago. You know, it’s interesting for folks who weren’t even born yet to start changing the meaning of that vote in effect. And that didn’t happen. You know, like we’re able to stop that. So it was really good. Well, that is encouraging.
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Yeah, no, it really is. You know, we have a lot of people out there and because, you know, people can have their thoughts about parks and open space, but when the people speak, you know, and they have votes and they have bond referendums and what have you, then that original intent should kind of run with the land. It’s kind of a pertinent in a way, you know, that that was the reason why people 51 years ago spent all their time and energy to get these things through. So we have to honor that, I think. Psilocybin, that’s going to be kind of a comeback to it. They voted it through in the entire package because they were concerned, kind of ironically enough, about not being in line with Colorado state law and being past the deadline. But it seems like, from my research, a lot of cities are still concerned. sorting through, you know, their psilocybin rules. Remember, cities and counties, municipalities can regulate the time, the place, and the manner.
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And is this mushrooms? Is this basically what this is, is mushrooms?
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Yeah, psilocybin. Now, the interesting thing, though, is my worry about the expansion of this is HB251063. got put through this year. Now you’re talking about a more pharmaceutical grade. It’s called crystalline polymorph psilocybin, and those are the synthetic varieties. There’s a lot of pharmaceutical companies that are looking into how to grow this stuff in different substrates such as E. coli. Right now, the E. coli growing is not allowed. I did email Cora and got the response back. But the use of it will be allowed, predicated upon FDA approval. So, you know, again, we always talk about mission creep. Right now it’s mushrooms. Then it’s going to be potentially you can use the pure mushrooms. synthetic form you know this crystalline polymorph and then they’re going to say well gosh if we can use it we need the economic benefit of growing it here and that’s going to you know two three years down the road my prediction maybe less uh they’re going to say oh my gosh we need to you know grow this stuff in these vats of e-coli and other odd chemical substrates so that’s just something to watch statewide i think okay yeah what else um but yeah But kind of getting back to the psilocybin portion for what happened last night, they’re very concerned about coming back and talking about better setbacks for residences. Right now, the state law says 1,000 foot for schools, daycare facilities, and at-home daycare facilities for the medical office side of it, as it were. But for the cultivation, the testing, the manufacturing, There really are no setbacks. The cities and counties are allowed to regulate that on their own. So that was a mitigative win that we’re going to come back to it. And we will. That’s a really big hot button for the community right now.
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Okay. And what else? 67 amendments. That’s a lot. So what else? And it sounds like you, but Mike, part of the reason that you’re having some wins is you have been out there researching this. And the fact that you guys caught this in regarding the public hospitals, it takes a lot of work to, to go through all of this and then to inform people. And so you’re pretty tireless on this, right?
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I know you are. We do have a very engaged core group of citizens out here, including some engineers and retired engineers. And for anyone who’s working at a citizen group, got to find some engineers because they read things like nobody else. It’s just amazing, you know, such a keen eye for detail. And we’ll find one or two words to extract out and really focus on what that could mean. you know, for future implications. Remember intent versus capability, right? All the intention is not to build a public hospital, but it says it right there, you know? So what’s going to happen in a few years, you know, when, when, when a situation comes up and says, well, it says it, we’d like to do it, you know? So, well, the intention wasn’t bad. It’s like, yeah, but what’s the actual word. And, and that, that, that’s what we, we really, we really need. There are citizen groups everywhere and we’re starting to realize that that if all of us really start communicating and have kind of a network effect, it’s really helpful to stay in touch with all the different changes. One of the interesting things about the set of changes is, I don’t know how it was when you were city council, maybe you can explain this, but in our federal government and state government, our elected officials will bring up a particular bill in the land development code these new laws so to speak the code is proposed by staff they’re not elected and i think that’s a fundamental flaw in how this part’s done i i would hope that things could move over to where the elected officials say yes we’ve heard the need to change the land development code and we’re putting our elections on the line to actually propose amendments and here’s why it’s such an interesting thing because the director is part of the staff, right, the economic and zoning director. If I have that exactly right or wrong, I’m not sure, but there’s basically a planning and zoning director of every city or county, and they gave themselves more power last night. They proposed five amendments where they get more discretion. It’s like giving yourself a raise, you know, and they’re not elected, so they’re actually righting A new law. They’re presenting it to the electeds and the electeds say, well, you’re my staff, so I should trust you. And they’re just voting them through. So I think that’s a fundamental flaw. How was it when you were on the city council?
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You have totally nailed it, and that is that staff really, and Commissioner Sean Pond from Montrose County did a really excellent Facebook post on this, and then we had him on the show as well, and then he had a piece in Rocky Mountain Voice that it is the non-electeds, the bureaucrats, the boards, the commissions, and many of these boards and commissions, they might be appointed by… the electeds if you will but they have an enormous amount of power because they bring these suggestions to the council and many times then the council does not want to vote against what these boards or commissions have brought forward and as you mentioned that staff interfaces with these boards and commissions and the idea that if in fact arvada city council gave unelecteds more power last night, that’s not a good idea. We need to get back to representative government instead of being controlled by basically staff, NGOs, and boards and commissions, Mike.
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I would agree. There was five specific amendments that gave the director more power. Now, those five specific amendments might seem rather innocuous, but it’s the addition and then the addition and then the addition, each subsequent vote, if they give themselves two or three or four more things. But again, it’s the fact that the staff wrote in their own new powers, which is really interesting. And when we talk about discretion, that’s a very nebulous term. Because it’s one person. And another facet we’ve been wrestling with is, you know, if you look at the Supreme Court, nine justices. If you look at any voting body, there’s usually an odd number or whatever you need to have a quorum. If you look at a director, it’s one. So you’ve taken that. That larger and usually odd number body of people whom you should trust or maybe some people trust and people don’t, depending, you know. But at least there’s an odd number of them and you comply your case. There’s a hearing. There’s a time for the public to actually speak out loud in public on the record. Direct your discretion. You can send a comment. You hope they read it or, you know, maybe they printed out mine, the birdcage with your comment. You know, we’re never sure. And then one person makes a decision. So you’re kind of removing that consensus mechanism.
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Well, right. That representative mechanism as well. Mike, we are going to be doing weekly updates with you. What is your final thought? And congratulations on some some little wins last night. That’s great.
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Well, the final thought is, you know, there are a lot of things that we’re still not very happy with. It went a little bit better than we thought. And unfortunately, the city council voted against planning commission’s recommendation to not allow hospital, sorry, hotels in what they call mixed-use suburban. So hotels are going to be allowed in mixed-use suburban. And those are sometimes pocket infills around, you know, single family and duplex homes. And we just don’t think hotels belong, you know, in certain areas like that. Maybe you’ve been in breakfast, but not a ramada, you know. So we’re going to be happy.
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Yeah, connect the dot in a sanctuary area, what happened with those hotels. So, yeah, that’s a bit of a problem.
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Yes, we’ll be having, obviously, the vote in November. We have three seats up for election and we will be doing a forum September 29th. And everybody out there, you know, I can encourage if you’ve got any citizen groups, find a place that will host a forum and get your candidates in there. Ask them really seriously. complex questions, some tough questions, some fair questions, you know, but don’t just let the Chamber of Commerce do these forums. Get out there and do your own forums. You know, it’s just a few hundred dollars to get them done.
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Absolutely. Mike Rolick, thank you so much. And these discussions are so important. We need to be engaged at the local level. And good for Mike Rolick and his coalition of other citizens there. Really appreciate it. These discussions happen because of our sponsors for everything residential real estate. You should reach out to Karen Levine.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. On the line is Dr. James Linesweiler. You know him. He’s a scientist, and he’s the founder of IPAC-EDU. And we’re going to talk about the NIH. There’s a major shift going on there. Dr. Jack, welcome to the show. Morning, Kim. How are you? Doing well. And boy, things are changing. Before we get over to the subject, though, I can’t believe that September is right around the corner, which means that the fall offerings at IPAC-EDU are probably right around the corner, yes?
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They absolutely are. And it’s an exciting time to see science return. So We created IPEC-EDU to help people become empowered to learn science, to learn policy, to learn the Constitution, and to join a community of like-minded people. And now we see that the high calling of reproducibility and reliability, accountability, transparency, and all the rest our official policy at the NIH. I’m not quite ready to take the victory lap and retire, but I’m very happy. I know that thousands and thousands of people helped make this possible, bringing Jay Bhattacharya and Bobby Kennedy into the positions that they’re in. And I’m honored to have played a small part in that.
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Well, so with that, people can find you at Popular Rationalism at Substack. And you just recently published, I think, a really important piece, The Restoration of Gold Standard Science, NIH Adopts the Maha Playbook. So walk us through this, Dr. Jack.
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Yeah, I guess the best way to do it for radio context is to compare radio Um, what’s been going on really for the past 30 years, a slow decay and rot of objectivity and science, uh, funded by federal agencies to the point where, you know, the expression of policy determined not only what science was allowed, you know, what was, what was prioritized. Um, but actually how studies, uh, had to be done so they would give a particular result that sort of supported the policy. And this decay of science has been a frustration of mine since I really woke up to it in about 2015. I’m an ardent defender of the public interest in science. I’ve written books on the matter, cures versus profits and so on. But to really now expect that the machine that funds science in the United States will hold science Those applying for funding, those reviewing funding, and those awarding funding, extramural and intramural, on the inside, will truly follow gold standard science, is an amazing development. Dr. Bhattacharya hasn’t been there that long, but he learned the ropes pretty quick in terms of the administration of NIH and um, some of my colleagues, especially those who study autism, you know, went to meet with Jay and had a face to face. And one of my questions to them was, you know, test him out on his understanding of the importance of integrative science, integrative medicine, I should say, uh, is he capable? Is he going to, is he interested in making sure that everything that holistic And integrative medicine has learned over the past 30 years in their own silo, unfunded, about how to help people stay healthy and recover health might be included in NIH funding as a priority for all NIH studies studying health of any kind. And the good news is they came back. He says he’s well aware of that. It’s going to be a priority.
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So Dr. Jack, we had talked, I think last month when we talked, there had been a memo that you had access to regarding big pharma and maybe a strategy on trying to affect some of the people in the Trump administration regarding their agenda. And they were just kicking around names. They hadn’t done anything. But Dr. Botticera’s name was one of those. But it sounds like he really is on board with RFK Jr., yes?
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Yeah, he and Dr. Oz and… Macri, you know, Oz being the director of CMS and Macri being the director of FTA and Jay being the director of the NIH were going to be approached allegedly by, you know, this this group that wanted to remove Kennedy by September. Well, you know, we’ve got about 10 days to do it. if they’re going to succeed by September 1st. And, you know, we really took the wind out of their sails if that was their true agenda, if the memo was real. And I have very, very good reason to believe the memo was real, given the source and given some attributes of the memo. You know, they are unified, united. Everyone in the highest ranking positions across the agency are completely united in the goal to make America healthy again. It is a mandate. We will never forget the election. We’ll never forget the thunderous applause for Bobby by Trump supporters who didn’t really you know, many of them didn’t really understand how important it is to put America’s health first. and putting our health first over making sure that the medicine that we buy, sell, and consume is profitable is not only better for us, it’s also really the only the ethical way to do medicine and to prioritize biomedical science and clinical research. So those of you who might not be familiar with the process of funding NIH funding, NIH-funded research, I should say, universities and hospitals and many other organizations apply for funding at the NIH in response to calls for proposals and program announcements that express the priorities, the research priorities. So one of the research priorities, for instance, is to reverse the decades of medical malfeasance in HIV cases. and to do it in an ethical way. So that would then look like universities and hospitals understanding that they now have a new mandate. If you’re going to study HIV, this is how we’re going to study it. And without saying so, it also means if you intend on using NIH money to study it in other ways, You know, please be sure to be please be sure to do that in an ethical way, too, that meets our ethical standards. That’s kind of the most important thing. It’s not just the direction of research. You know, I don’t think Jay wants to strong arm particular things by saying this is a priority and deprioritize others. I think he’s really saying that we’re going to have a science based mission here for both clinical research and public health. that everyone in the agency has been given their marching orders to make sure that there’s going to be unified criteria for evaluating science, not different criteria applied because this science is more befitting a particular policy agenda. There’s going to be more oversight of foreign research. The Wuhan lab was funded through a subcontract. Well, that’s going to change now where the Wuhan lab would have to write their own mini proposal that goes into it so the people that get the funding from the NIH can’t just keep all that private and secret. And thereby, NIH peer reviewers on study group panels will be able to assess whether that is in keeping not only with the priorities of the administration, but more importantly, whether they’re legal and safe and all the rest. Transparency, as I mentioned, is very important. And so unless you can reproduce your study and allow your data to be seen and understood by everybody that can understand, then thereby assess on their own that your results are valid, the NIH doesn’t want to fund you. And then, you know, the whole thing about DEI, the so-called woke agenda, really is completely unnecessary in science. In science, what we want is not to give people that are underrepresented because they have low access to health care or they’re of a particular ethnic or social group benefits. better this or better that or more this or more that. What we want is representativeness of the entire population in a study sample. If I do a study of 10,000 patients, then whatever I study, it could be a cancer drug, it could be an injection of some kind, the outcomes are truly only relevant to the study group that I sample. So if I just study men, I can’t say a thing about its utility and safety, efficacy in women. And that was actually something our society had to come to grips with. So science already has built into it this balancing factor where we demand representativeness. If there’s a minority that represents 15 percent of the population, they should be 15 percent of your sample. If not, when you write your study, no one’s going to assume that the study that you did is relevant for that 15 percent that was left out. So we don’t need to have DEI and wokeism and these kinds of, you know, triggering issues that cause people to not quite understand why someone would be, you know, given a priority over others based on something superficial.
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Okay, well, this is really interesting, and it’s really in the weeds on this, but this is really important because we’ve seen then all of this funding and all of this agenda has really played out in everyday people’s lives. So we’re going to continue. the discussion with Dr. James Linesweiler, but would love to have you join me this Saturday out at the USMC Memorial. They are going to have a great event for the 48th anniversary of the memorial, and you can buy your tickets by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. The performer is David Bray, USA. We had him on the show earlier this week, and would love to have you join us. This is a great way to support the memorial and to honor those that have given their lives for our freedom. So join me. I’d love to have you do that. And then we’ll talk with him in the next hour. And that’s Lauren Levy. He’s a mortgage specialist. And for everything mortgages, you will certainly want to reach out to him.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. And I did want to mention the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. They’ve got a lot of things going on. They will be having a special event for 9-11. They’ve got an On Values presentation, which will be later in September, and also training for secondary educators based on the principles of the center, and that’s honor, integrity, and patriotism. and so get more information check out their website that’s americanvaluecenter.org americanvaluecenter.org talking with the founder of ipac-edu.org and that is dr james linesweiler which uh really amazing courses a very reasonable uh with um nationally with uh just great instructors and so be sure and check that out at ipac-edu.org And you can find Dr. James Linesweiler at Popular Rationalism at Substack. So, Dr. Jack, we’ve been talking about this piece you recently published, which was the restoration of gold standard science. NIH adopts the Maha playbook and you had mentioned autism. And there are many that have seen a correlation. in the increase in the vaccine schedule and autism. And in fact, I talked with Colonel Bill Rutledge, who’s 97 years young, and he said, Kim, I don’t ever remember autism when I was a kid. And of course, they didn’t really have that many vaccines back when he was a kid. So how is this going to play out for people now. The kids are going back to school. The vaccine schedule has so many more vaccines than when I was a kid even. And so how is this going to play out for these little kids right now?
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Well, first of all, thank you. I want to remind people that most states have exemptions to so-called mandates. And the advisory committee on immunization practices asip committee makes recommendations and states uh have written so many states have written mandates where if asap recommends it it’s so-called required for school but you know you should really check your your state or medical freedom organizations check with your vaccine information public vaccine information about the requirements Because there’s usually some exemptions. And the people who came before us, the generations before, saw fit to include exemptions, including religious exemptions and medical exemptions. And in 2016, Pharma funded the DMC program. at the state level and at the national level to dismantle those rights to refuse that the medical procedure so parents are left in some states not having religious exemptions anymore like connecticut and uh and others and you know those groups local groups are fighting to get those rights back But those rights are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. They shouldn’t have to fight for them. Any judge in any circuit court should see the violation of individual sovereignty, the right to say no. But I want to focus on this autism question. There are very good reasons for exemptions. A family will come to know by participating in the vaccine process. program through vaccine injury of a loved one maybe a child that these vaccines are not for them as a family it is torturous to imagine that if a mother who sees a child descend into autism or develop adhd or develop a seizure condition immediately after a vaccine after making all of their benchmarks or developmental benchmarks then try to force them to see them struggle with, well, do I give my child a public education or do I give them bad health or alter their development? That choice should not be made by society for that family. And so consistent with the evidence-based approach that Secretary Kennedy has envisioned and has put into place for changes in the vaccine schedule, We saw in May 2025, COVID-19 vaccines were removed from recommended schedule for healthy children. We saw in June that ACIP itself was dismantled and brand new members were put up. Well, all of the ACIP members, that committee that I mentioned, all of them had financial conflicts of interest, direct one-to-one correspondent financial conflict of interest with certain vaccine manufacturers. That’s regulatory capture in the flesh. And so that’s over. So now we’re going to see new ACIP meetings. In July, HHS said in the first meeting, ACIP said we’re no longer going to support and recommend Vimerisol-containing flu vaccines. Thank goodness. Who in their right mind would think that injecting mercury into pregnant women and children is a good idea? It’s a very, very bad idea. And the vaccine people who want to defend this always use the canard that They think that the data show that it’s safer than organic mercury, elemental mercury. Well, thimerosal is half mercury by weight. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 02 :
well we only have a couple of minutes left but but what about i’m thinking about people with family you know children going into school now they go to their doctor they trust their doctor and this this narrative of all these vaccines has been pushed down from the cdc to these um young doctors, that’s that’s then we may have to just talk about this next month. But these doctors are still recommending a lot of the stuff that they have been indoctrinated in.
SPEAKER 10 :
And my parents are asking for exemptions now. So the doctors can recommend and parents can refuse. It’s a different age. So there’s a I just published a new article today about a group that call themselves the vaccine Integrity Project. And they are actually making recommendations or giving out information that other groups can make recommendations on about vaccines that are supposed to be like a shadow CDC. Okay. And it’s made of medical doctors that are about the same characters that have been pushing vaccines and promoting vaccines all these years. And, you know, in my intelligence briefing on their first report, they absolutely ignored all of the literature on the serious adverse events. And then they misrepresented and distorted the studies that allegedly show that COVID-19 vaccines in children and in pregnant women reduce hospitalization. So these are bad actors giving bad information, and now we have a good CDC, a good ACIP that’s going to give reliable information. Talk with your doctor. Absolutely. Go do your own research and bring that information to your pediatrician because they need to know what you know, but also look for exemptions in your state. It’s very important that you know what your rights are. That’s your individual responsibility to your family. Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, Dr. Jack, this is fascinating. We’re out of time. People can find you at Popular Rationalism at Substack. And be sure and check out the fall courses at ipac-edu.org. Dr. Jack, we’ll talk next month. Keep up the great work.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you. Have a great week. We’ll talk to you soon.
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Happy Wednesday, Kim.
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Happy Wednesday. And the show comes to you because of our sponsors. Wanted to say thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. Susan Harris will be on the show, I think, on Friday. And always love to get her perspective on things as well. Lots of news out there. First thing, though, our word of the day is blithesome. It’s spelled B-L-I-T-H-E-S-O-M-E. And it could be lighthearted, merry or cheerful. And I would say there’s nothing blithesome about this potential. Well, not potential. The actual special session of the Colorado State Legislature, which will open tomorrow. And the volunteers at the Colorado Union of Taxpayers will be looking at this legislation. And we’d love to have you join us. If you join us, you will get our emails that will be going out to the legislators and the governor regarding our positions on these pieces of legislation. And you can join us by going to coloradotaxpayer.org. And it’s only $25 a year. And it is a really amazing group of people, these volunteers, that are ready to take a look at all of this. We’re also working on a ratings report, which we’ll publish here shortly after the legislative session. And if you see these folks out there, though, say thank you to Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, David Evans, Corey Onizorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And we’d love to have you join us at the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, also known as CUT. And our word of the day, though, blithesome, lighthearted, merry, cheerful. See if you can use that word in a sentence today. Our quote of the day goes to Will Rogers, and he said this. He said, I know worrying works because none of the stuff I worried about ever happened. And he was a great humorist and performer. He was born in 1879. He died in 1935 in a small airplane crash on takeoff from a lagoon near Point Barrow in northern Alaska. But if you want to just have a chuckle on a number of different things, just look up Will Rogers quotes and his comments regarding politicians and politics and life. They’re really just precious. So check that out. I realize local is so important. We watch all these headlines and there’s all of these different news outlets there that talk about the things that are happening nationally and internationally. I’m very excited about Trump trying to get Zelensky and Putin to the table to talk peace. for Ukraine and Russia. And I always love that, that that’s the option we want to try to get to. But on the local level, we are watching this issue with Etoile French Bakery on Lookout Mountain very closely. And one of the ways that you can make a difference is go over to change.org and sign the save, voila, French bakery, or just put in French bakery, and that’ll come up. And just since Friday, since we started, we had the owner… or one of the owners, Rachel Dufour, on, there’s been an additional well over, I think, 400 new signatures to that Change.org petition. And this starts to make a difference with the politicians, the county commissioners, and the bureaucrats at Jefferson County to come to a solution. regarding the issue that’s going on there. And the solution, I think, would be the issue of variance. But they should be able to come to a solution on this so that the bakers can continue to live near where they work in their tiny home. So let’s see what can happen with that. And then also, again, an outrage. When Denver City Council announced laying off 171 people because of budget concerns. And then they were planning on spending $26,000 on a mountain retreat where not even all of the city council people would be there. The outrage was significant. And so Denver City Council said, we’re going to postpone that meeting, which is a great idea. And now they’re saying we can’t get all of our money back. Well, that’s probably true, although they could probably negotiate something for something in the future. But the idea to spend $26,000 on a, I think it was an overnight retreat, that’s a lot of money. And… Anyway, the outrage was significant. I have a friend who was talking to him yesterday and he said, I have never made a comment regarding the city council. But he said, I did on this. And so this pushback by the citizens, we’re getting to a point where I think we’re saying enough is enough. But we have to understand what’s going on. That’s why we do the show is so that we can bring forth these issues. And all that happens because of great sponsors. And for everything mortgages, you should reach out to Lorne Levy. He can help with a first mortgage, a second mortgage, a reverse mortgage, and he can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York. And he’s on the line for our weekly update. Lorne Levy, welcome.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 02 :
So we keep talking about interest rates. Donald Trump, President Trump, has the narrative really trying to encourage the Fed to bring interest rates down for housing, for a variety of things. But what’s the real reality of all this, Lorne Levy?
SPEAKER 16 :
I think it’ll be interesting. The reason I brought this up is Typically, when the Fed cuts, they’re cutting because one of their mandates is in a poor place. Either unemployment has gone up or the economy is in a tough spot. We don’t really have either one of those right now. The economy seems to be doing well for the most part except for the city of Denver. And so it’ll be interesting to see if they cut into this market, what happens. We’ve talked about that if rates drop, which I would love. Believe me, I do home loans for a living. I would love to see mortgage rates come down and help people refinance. So that would be a blessing. But I’m just not sure what will happen because it would be sort of weird or unprecedented for them to cut into a good economy. And you and I talked about the 10-year note and the action of that and how it just – how it determines mortgage rates. And so we’ll see if the 10-year note reacts properly and goes down or if it might go up thinking there’s something going on. But if rates go down, people are excited. But we’ll see also if that creates a buzz in the housing market where you end up with multiple offers on homes again, which could force prices up even higher. So it’ll be an interesting reaction to see what happens if they cut in September and if they keep cutting into the late fall, early next year.
SPEAKER 02 :
So that meeting is in September, which is really right around the corner. But they say the economy is good. However, I know that there are entrepreneurs. It seems like it’s tough out there right now, Lauren. What’s your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 16 :
I think I agree. I mean, I’m an entrepreneur, first and foremost, and then, you know, with a couple different businesses. But I think when the Fed looks at the economy, number one, they look at jobs. They look at layoffs. And I think hiring might actually be slowing a bit, but it’s more of people maybe not replacing jobs that people have left, you know, versus just doing layoffs. So with the exception of some tech companies, I don’t, you know, We’re not typically hearing about mass layoffs of companies being nervous right now. But I think things have just been tough for a while for the average person, just ever since we went through that inflationary period. And people, you know, it’s expensive to live right now. There’s no doubt about that.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, it’s interesting. I needed to get some hairspray that I haven’t purchased hairspray in a long time. And I was at the grocery store, and I thought, oh, gosh, I’ll pick that up. I couldn’t believe it. Hairspray was over $30 for a can of hairspray. I just about fell over.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, those of your listeners and you that have met me know that I haven’t bought hairspray in a long time myself.
SPEAKER 02 :
So you wouldn’t know. So I wouldn’t know.
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m just lucky that I would love to have hair. But yeah, no, there’s a lot. I mean, listen, I was joking with my buddy the other day because we were going to look at some potential commercial real estate and he was starving. So he’s like, go through McDonald’s. And we went to McDonald’s for a two cheeseburger meal or something that cost him like $11. And I remember I was like, remember when a cheeseburger was 39 cents? So, I mean, things are definitely higher now. But it’s also reflected itself in home equity and home values where people have hopefully made a lot of money on their homes as well. And that seems to be holding up. I mean, we’re seeing some price decreases on homes for sale because of the amount of listings that are out there now. But I think we all have people that own homes that are pretty satisfied with their equity right now as well.
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Yeah, the double-edged sword on that, though, is with that, then their property taxes are higher, and they don’t really realize that gain until they sell. And, of course, then they have to find a new place to live. So it’s going to be super interesting to see. I know Trump, he really is trying to, from a narrative standpoint, put pressure to get these interest rates down. And, of course, that would help with the debt as well because we’re paying those interest rates on the national debt. Okay, well, Lorne Levy.
SPEAKER 16 :
I want rates down. I want people to be able to refinance and save money across the board. That would be amazing.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I would love that, too. And so to get ready for all this, people should give you a call. What’s that best number, Lorne Levy?
SPEAKER 16 :
The best way is always just call 303-880-8881. That’s Lorne Levy, 303-880-8881. Lorne, we will talk next week. You have a great day.
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SPEAKER 09 :
Hi, Kim. Beautiful day in the Great Plains of America, finally.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, that’s good. That’s good. You’ve been getting a lot of rain.
SPEAKER 09 :
A lot of rain, a lot of heat and humidity, which is good for crops growing, but a little tough to handle. Yesterday was a tough one.
SPEAKER 02 :
How hot did it get?
SPEAKER 09 :
It didn’t really get above 95 anywhere in my travels. I’m in South Dakota today. But it was just so still and humid and eerie. But, you know, the worst part of the story here is, The old-timers say that the snow will be as deep as the wild sunflowers, and our wild sunflowers at our place are some of them 10 foot tall. And yesterday we had a severe fog until noon, and the old adage is 90 days after a fog you’re going to get moisture event, typically a snow. If we get snow comparable to the amount of fog we had yesterday with the 10 foot tall Wild sunflowers. We better get ready. November 19th might be quite interesting.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, you heard it first here. So, well, I can’t believe that. 90 days is November 19th.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m looking for a 10-foot dress November 19th. Do you want to come see me?
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, man. Well, there’s a lot happening. And first thing, I was looking at some of the things that you were working on this last week, and you’d been at a… a meeting at the SAC Air Museum, I think it was, and the subject was sustainable jet fuel. So let’s talk a little bit about that because you said this might, it’s not what they say it is. So walk us through this.
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Well, they call it sustainable aviation fuel, and SAF for short. And there are some people whining that the subsidy or the tax credit, not a subsidy because a tax credit is twice a hit to the consumer or to the taxpayer. It was a big, ugly bill. The tax credit went from $1.75 to $1. But what’s the strangest about this, and I could talk for three hours about this particular topic because of the information that continues to come at me, In a nutshell, here’s what’s happening, Kim. They are requiring farmers and ethanol plants to jump through hoops to capture CO2 and do what they deem to be sustainable so that they, being the airline industry, can burn these petroleum and emit whatever they want. So that’s the craziest part of this whole story. And I did learn a lot of interesting stuff. 126 billion gallons of fuel are burned by aviation around the world each year. The United States is currently producing 27 million gallons of what they call sustainable aviation fuel. And here’s where it gets really wonky. And wonky meaning like, what? Are you kidding me? So they developed this plan for – and it’s all about net carbon zero, right? So the airlines want to be net carbon zero, and they’re putting that on the backs of the individuals producing the feedstock on the fuel that they burn. For those that may not know, they’re currently burning a diesel-type fuel as aviation fuel. And they have the 26 or 27 million of the 126 billion gallons. We have a few sustainable aviation fuel plants and ones in liberal Kansas. But Southwest Airlines just announced this last week they’re going to back out of their investment there because they don’t see a future in this. It costs too much. It’s not sustainable in any way, shape or form. But in the plant in Los Angeles who started making sustainable aviation fuel, they were bringing restaurant grease from China and converting that into sustainable aviation fuel, and China was getting a tax credit. What does China need a tax credit for? And then in Georgia, they opened in October of a year ago, they opened a sustainable aviation fuel plant, and they’re bringing ethanol from Brazil. So all of these foreign entities are supplying the feedstocks for what becomes sustainable aviation fuel. How sustainable is it that you put stuff on a ship for thousands of miles to get to the place where you’re going to generate fuel when you could be producing ethanol from the cornfield right to the plant?
SPEAKER 02 :
That sounds kind of crazy to me. That is just where it starts.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, there’s so many layers to this, Kim, and And I was sitting by – in fact, actually, I did an interview with the guy from the Lincoln Airport because he said our team wanted to just come. We got a lot of buzz talking about sustainable aviation fuel. And he said – looked at me and he said, after listening to what I heard here today, this is just like pie in the sky, and we’re not even close to making this happen. And yet, this meeting is organized by District 2 U.S. Congressman Mike Flood, and you’ve got some of the ag groups just – like they’re in a fairy tale. This is going to be the best thing ever for farmers. And here’s the number one problem with the whole concept, and nobody brought it up. All fuel, whether it be aviation fuel or transportation fuel in cars, vehicles, and diesel trucks, all fuel is distributed and controlled by the petroleum industry. The ethanol business produces 15 billion gallons of ethanol each year and the petroleum industry distributes and markets every bit of that. Who, if you’re not distributing or marketing, can control the leverage on what you’re producing? You’re in a position where you take what you’re going to get, and that’s the problem with ethanol. It should be an opportunity for farmers when, in fact, it’s literally forcing farmers out of business because of consolidation.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, walk me through that just a little bit.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because the farmers, initially, farmers in the 90s started putting equity into ethanol plants. And this was a wonderful thing. In fact, a farmer’s co-op started this, and the leverage was with the farmer. They owned the ethanol plant. They’re doing the distribution. And today, 2025, of the top 10 ethanol-producing entities in the United States, one… is farmer-owned. The rest of them are owned by petroleum companies. So through the tax subsidies, and what happened was the farmers, then the early infrastructure, because it was 100% based on tax subsidies, went broke. And so they sold this infrastructure to the petroleum companies, and every time you pick who’s going to get a tax credit, who’s going to get a subsidy, you’re giving somebody an advantage in the marketplace, right? You can look at the exodus and the consolidation that has taken place in the farms and who is producing the corn and the biofuel. 50% of the United States soybean crop is going into biodiesel, and roughly 38% of the United States corn crop goes into ethanol. So that’s the push for biofuels. But because of the structure and the lack of leverage for the farmer and the ethanol plant, you are actually eliminating farmers from the opportunity to be a part of the agricultural system.
SPEAKER 02 :
Boy, so eliminating farmers, though, if there were no farmers, there would be no corn, so there would be no ethanol, right? Is that naive for me to connect the dot that way?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well… Actually, it slipped out, and I believe that this can come full circle to what you and I actually talk about. There was a lady who’s been at the Department of Energy for 33 years who was not present at the meeting, but she had a Zoomed-in presentation. She made a comment about until the day we get to hydrogen fuels. And nobody picked up on it. I right away – they would not let anybody speak – You only could write down questions, submit it, and then my question was about that. And the moderator of that panel shifted my question because apparently he didn’t want the public to hear what she said. Here’s what I really think is going on, Kim, and this is the moral of the story. We’re building these CO2 pipelines. To capture CO2 at the ethanol plant, to give this better carbon intensity score so that people can qualify for foreign markets, so that the ethanol plants can qualify for sustainable aviation fuel, all these things. We’re putting the CO2 in constructed pipelines, and we’re piping the CO2. to places like Cheyenne, Wyoming, where the Denver Formation underneath of there has this pore space, and we’re going to pipe it in there and bury it a mile and a half deep, right? That’s what we’ve been told. By the way, as a side note, in order to capture the CO2 and compress it into a pipeline, it requires 50% of the energy produced at an ethanol plant to get that done. 50% of the equivalent energy to get it into a CO2 pipeline and compress to 2200 PSI. It then goes to Cheyenne, Wyoming. It is injected under Cheyenne, Wyoming, and it requires three times the amount of energy to inject it a mile and a half deep as it did to compress it and put it in a pipeline. So you have a cowboy arithmetic says that 150 plus 50 equals 200. So it’s 200% of energy equivalent of the amount of energy produced at the ethanol plant to put in a pipeline and send it. Nobody thinks that that makes sense. You can’t logically look at that and say that it makes sense. But these pipelines, we had a presenter at this meeting that said by December 31st, these pipelines in Nebraska will be taking the CO2 and injecting it in Wyoming. If you look at what you and I have spent a lot of time talking about, CO2 pipelines through this state of South Dakota that I’m in, coming out of Iowa and going to North Dakota to be injected in the edge of the Bakken, here’s what I think is really going on. I think that the CO2 pipelines are a fraud to get the taxpayers to pay for an infrastructure because, ironically, all of them happen to be going to an oil field area where we have a tremendous surplus of methane that is being burned and flared off. And so I believe the day is coming where they’ll say, you know, the CO2 thing isn’t working. But due to the fact that we’ve already got these pipelines to these ethanol plants, why don’t we capture this methane, put it in this pipeline that’s running right to the ethanol plant anyway, and we will just convert the ethanol plant into a hydrogen-producing, possibly a methanol… either hydrogen-based, methanol, fuel, and not require any corn to make it happen.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, we’re going to leave that as a cliffhanger. I’m trying to really think this through. Okay, we’re talking with Trent Luce regarding ethanol plants, ethanol, methane, and we’ll continue the discussion on this. And these discussions happen because of our sponsors, and I so appreciate the Second Syndicate and the work that they’re doing to protect our Second Amendment right to keep and bear firearms, to protect ourselves against bad actors.
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And welcome back this Saturday. Join me out at the USMC Memorial for the 48th anniversary celebration. It’s going to be a great event. Dave Bray, USA, will be performing. And Paula Sarles, who is the president of the foundation and her team, are working on a great evening. You can buy tickets by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Talking with Trent Luce. Regarding a meeting he’d been at regarding sustainable, and of course, they put that word in there, but there’s probably nothing really sustainable about it, but sustainable jet fuel, which would mean that there would be ethanol. Ethanol is produced from corn. And I think farmers had liked that new market for their product, hoping, or their crops, hoping that that would create demand for their crops, increase the price of corn that they would receive. And It’s gotten a lot more complicated. There’s all kinds of tax credits, and any time we have tax credits and loan guarantees, that becomes a real problem. And I do want to talk about this other thing regarding the USDA and these industrial solar and wind fields. I think what I’m hearing you say, Trent, is you think that ultimately the agenda will be to get to, what did you say, methanol and hydrogen, which at that point in time there would be no need for all of this corn for these ethanol plants. Is that the dot that you would connect there?
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s correct. That’s correct, because I point blank heard Valerie Reed say, until the day we get to hydrogen-based fuels. She just made that statement. And I sent a question to say, what is that day? And they did not approach that with her. But if you look up NH3, which is ammonia, nitrogen, three parts hydrogen, and it’s a carbon-free fuel, and that’s what they really want to get to. Don’t know why. That’s just what they want to get to. And If you look at how this ammonia is produced by synthesizing natural gas, and you look at the amount of natural gas, i.e. methane is 93% of natural gas is methane, that is emitted in these oil fields. and you have the taxpayers building an infrastructure to go right to the ethanol plants, it’s very easy to convert the ethanol plant into a hydrogen-producing or methanol-producing energy source with the natural gas coming in. It looks like the biggest facade that I’ve ever witnessed in my lifetime, and getting the taxpayers to fund every bit of it.
SPEAKER 02 :
But yet there’s the agenda to try to shut down the oil, natural gas, and coal industries. So I don’t quite understand that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Are you sure there’s an agenda for that? We’re sure there’s an agenda for that. We see that the activists continue to say that, but we continue to allow them to control the world.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I can tell you watching legislation in Colorado that the legislation and regulations here in Colorado are trying to shut down the oil and natural gas and coal industries.
SPEAKER 09 :
And yet it doesn’t work.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I hope it doesn’t work. But, okay, so then what would happen to the American farmer then?
SPEAKER 09 :
Stephen Miller, advisor, personal advisor to Donald Trump less than two months ago, said in an interview publicly, we have reached a point in time we do not need a farmer. Whatever food production needs there are, we have AI for. Really? Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
And the other part of this that’s very troubling to me, I sat through this day-long presentation from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m., And every time they were talking about sustainable aviation fuel and the method and the mode of operandi that’s going to take place to make this happen, they kept referencing, we’re waiting on the Department of Treasury to make their final decision. The Department of Treasury holds the strings on every bit of this. And the Department of Treasury and the Department of Commerce do not get any attention whatsoever And those are the two people I’m most worried about in the entire Trump administration because Scott Bissett, who’s the director of the Department of Treasury, spent the last 12 years as George Soros’ right-hand man. He comes from that lending banking world, which is why I personally believe that Trump went out of his way to go do trade deal with the UK and the EU and hasn’t mentioned it about any other country, which are tremendous trading partners. But there is some tie with the Department of Treasury and to the London banking system that’s concerning to me. And when they continue to say we’re waiting, we continue to wait on the Department of Treasury to decide how this is going to roll out. I’m like, why are we waiting on the Department of Treasury? It’s pretty simple. We produce a product that generates fuel and let’s affordably get this fuel to the people and make it work. But there’s so many games being played that it’s just troubling.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, now you and I look at Trump differently. I like so much of the things that he’s doing, but yet I also appreciate you as you are connecting the dots on that. So I think what we’ll do, Trent, is instead of interrupting the next subject, and that is… And you’re concerned that what is being said and what is actually happening regarding these wind and solar projects and the taking of farmland for those, we’re really concerned about that. And so I think we’ll go to break early so we don’t interrupt the conversation on that. I’m talking with Trent Luce, sixth generation farmer and rancher. And these discussions happen because of our sponsors. And if you’ve been injured, be sure and reach out to John Bozen and Bozen Law.
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it is a great day to be alive and check out the center for american values website that’s americanvaluecenter.org and drew dick’s medal of honor recipient and co-founder of the center has started a great podcast and his life experiences what he brings to these different issues is i think it is a trusted source that you should add into your repertoire of things that you’re checking out. And you can find that at AmericanValueCenter.org. Now, the center is nonpolitical, nonpartisan, but they do talk about these important issues. And so check out Drew’s first season of his podcast, Words from the Silo, and that is at AmericanValueCenter.org. So be sure and check that out. Just on a quick little lighter note, I’m quoting… Will Rogers today. And one of our listeners texted in and said that Will Rogers said this. He says, I don’t make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. And there’s a lot of stuff that’s really not that funny right now. Now, Trent Liu, sixth generation farmer and rancher, you shared your perspective regarding Scott Ascent, who is the Secretary of the Treasury. I have, I’ll just acknowledge a number of listeners that have texted in that see him differently, that they see him favorably. So I wanted to acknowledge that. And then I want to get over here to this whole FDA thing regarding solar and wind energy on farmlands. Before we do that, though, Action Hat Ann has a question for you, Trent.
SPEAKER 21 :
I wanted to ask Trent if he would help us organize an effort to either do a petition or also to call that Mr. Hood, Mr. Mike Flood is his name, to have them face the facts of what you just said, that we can’t have this carbon sequestration because it’s going to take years. double the energy just to get it there and that it’s not practical. And can you tell us, too, again, when your radio show is so we can help get behind you to get behind this effort? If we can do it for a wonderful French bakery, we can definitely do it for our farmers and for our energy because it’s national security.
SPEAKER 09 :
One hundred percent. And thanks for the call. And I just want to remind everybody, you know, I had a fantastic trend on the loose this morning. And it’s with two gentlemen from Iowa and they are taking head on. It’s with the Team Iowa group. They’re taking head on child trafficking, sex trafficking and all of these things in pedophilia that we can’t get our mind around. And Representative Mark Thompson, who’s a state representative, he’s a veteran pedophile. He happens to be the veteran that spilled the beans, so to speak, on Hillary and Benghazi. In fact, they ran him out of the military. The Department of Defense discharged him because of him telling the truth. He’s taken this upon himself to make sure that we understand how important this trafficking and pedophilia situation is. And the reason I’m sharing that, Ann, with you in this context is that his wife is starting this local group. We tend to want to think that we’ve got to get involved either at the state level or the federal level. And, in fact, when you put together 20 people in a county or a community or come together, they can be such a voice and make such a difference. I don’t want anybody to think that we have to go to D.C. and make this difference. That D.C. is such an echo chamber. Your efforts and time is just very challenging. But if we started at the grassroots level and allow these things to spill over and just take its course, and you have thousands of people then understand the challenges in front of us and all sending the same message, that’s how we create change and make it happen sustainably.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and we’re working on that. Ann, thank you for that question, and time always gets away from us. This did come in from Christine, and she said, can you ask Trent to source when Steve Miller stated that we don’t need farmers because we have AI? She would like to get to the source on that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it was a Fox News broadcast. I can find the exact date, but I’ll have to do that and get back to you. I’m driving at the moment.
SPEAKER 02 :
Sounds good. Okay, Trent, what we are seeing, as you know, I’m very concerned about the land grab of Xcel Energy or their attempted land grab via threatening eminent domain of our country. farmers and ranchers in rural Elbert County, rural El Paso County for a transmission line from either a solar or industrial wind project. And the tax credits are supposed to be going away for those in 2026. I think that may be, as Jenny, one of our listeners, has said, that may be why Excel is really trying to play hardball here is they want to get this transmission line in before those tax credits go away. But, and I think we mentioned it last week, Robert Bryce has done a short documentary called Sunblock, which people should take a look at. It’s at his substack of the acres and acres of farmland that’s being taken for industrial wind and solar. And there was an announcement by the USDA, which said that they’re curtailing their support for solar and wind energy on farmlands. said that they are, this is Brooke Rollins, said the department will no longer deploy programs to fund solar or wind projects on productive farmland, ending massive taxpayer handouts. I agree with her. What’s your thoughts on this?
SPEAKER 09 :
I agree with her 100%. The problem is that this is a repeated offense from her and everything in the Trump administration. They say things in D.C. that do not reflect what’s happening on the land. They made that, they being her and her deputy, Vaden, made that announcement Monday in Lebanon, Tennessee. It was an official release yesterday by the USDA. And if you read their report, it says effective immediately. And by the way, I want to correct one thing you said. The expiring of the wind and solar tax credits is December 31st, 2027. So they have to have their project complete. How you define complete, I’m not really sure. But beyond all of that, they made it very clear that effective immediately, this is what their press release was, and I can share that with you. I have it. I’m on the USDA press release list. Effective immediately, farmland will no longer be used for wind or solar. Last night. Somebody sitting in a Dakota County, Nebraska County Commission meeting heard for the first time that there was a proposed 3,000-acre solar development next to their farm. And I actually sent you the text that I had received last night. After I got that, I got a phone call from Dallas. And Serena called me, and she said, Trent, we just found out there’s going to be this new project in the Dallas region we had no idea about. And the funny thing is, it’s not funny. The sad thing is that I brought this up this morning on my Live Across the Pond TV program, which today on Wednesday I have Theresa Platt from France. And so obviously this is top of mind for me because this is a third month in a row I found Brooke Rollins talking about things that the USDA is going to do, and it just sounds perfect. And yet on the ground, in the country, the exact opposite is happening. And so I walked through the same scenario that I just walked through with Theresa Platt, who’s in France. And she said, well, the funny thing is that Macron here in France continues to say the same thing. We’re not going to consume farmland for these wind or solar developments. And she said, I drive through the countryside and I see it happening. It’s continuing to happen. So the message is exactly what we want to hear. But what is happening at the local level does not follow the rhetoric. And as it turns out, I am headed at this moment to Dakota Fest in Mitchell, South Dakota, where Brooke Rollins is supposed to be here with a delegation of South Dakota legislators at 3.30 this afternoon. Stay tuned to see if I get the chance to ask her why her rhetoric doesn’t match what’s happening in the country.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. I hope you get to ask that question, because at least the rhetoric is in the right direction. It was not in the right direction with the O’Biden-Harris administration. And so the rhetoric is heading in the right direction. But we’ve got to hold this accountable. Do you think that maybe it’s that those that are underneath Trump Brooke Rollins at the USDA, that they are trying to double down and get this stuff done because it does take government a little bit of time to get these things stopped. Do you think they’re trying to double down? That’s my concern with this land grab in Elbert County and El Paso County is that Xcel is trying to double down to get this done in anticipation that the solar and wind projects… won’t go through if they don’t have all these tax credits and so do you think that they’re playing this game just because it takes a little bit of time to get from the top down to actual implementation no i think that trump is trying to cripple the united states permanently oh now i i see that i see that differently uh goodness i mean that’s quite a statement trent luce
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s the data that I’m getting on a regular basis and people that I know inside. Because I’ll remind you that for the first administration, first time, I was on the Trump Ag Advisory Committee. I was all in. And things started to happen that did not make sense to me. And as time went on, I started putting the pieces of the puzzle together. And I can’t tell you I know a single person who was on the first Trump team in the agricultural world because when he started naming people in 2016 or 2017, literally, that come into his staff and were part of his cabinet, there were 12 people that I already had their cell phone numbers that I knew personally.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, I know. I think part of that could be, though, is Trump, I think, looked at his first administration and there were so many different people that he could not trust. And then the fact that I when I talk with Dr. Brian June depth. The the other day regarding his piece, the the fact that they have gotten rid of all of the leaks and they actually are having success in different arenas. When I talk with Daniel Turner. with Power of the Future, he’s very pleased with Trump. When I talk with General Arbuckle regarding the military, they’re pleased with the actions that are being taken. So this was a question that came in. It said, could it be that state regulations are taking over farmland from wind and solar, not Trump? Well, I think that’s a valid question, Trent.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s not a valid question because it’s 100% infused by Inflation Reduction Act money. that comes directly from the federal government and that’s why the department of treasury is the one they’re waiting on to make these decisions and the decisions are made by the department of treasury and the irs they’re 100 fueled by tax credits and subsidies okay and every turn we’ve we’ve seen this trump administration through the big ugly bill and every other project in fact this is going to be the discussion today the state of south dakota has very adamantly said we do not want co2 pipelines in the state the big ugly bill tried to say that south dakota didn’t have a choice that was originated by trump the people of south dakota and actually 17 different state governors came to bat for that and said you cannot eliminate local control for such things as co2 pipelines or ai center development Everybody tends to forget that it was Donald Trump that went to Saudi Arabia and got $20 billion for Elon Musk and Mada and Palatir and all of these groups that develop AI centers. And they tried to eliminate local control for 10 years to make it happen. But this is the federal government trying to minimize what states and counties can do to protect themselves on a constitutional level.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, Trent, we’re going to have to keep this as a cliffhanger for next week because we’re out of time. I’ve got to really ruminate on this because I really like a lot of the things that Trump is doing. And so those are some pretty bold statements that we’ve got to unpack a bit. So Trent Luce, as always, thank you. I’ll be excited to hear next week what happens at this meeting in South Dakota. So thank you.
SPEAKER 09 :
I doubt you have to wait until next week, Kim. Thanks for continuing to have the discussion.
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And our quote of the show at the end of the show is Will Rogers, who said this, You’ve got to go out on a limb sometimes because that’s where the fruit is. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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