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That seems to me like government is establishing a religion.
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Happy Tuesday, Kim.
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And we’ve got another great show planned for you today. In studio with me is Aaron Everett. And really excited to get to some, I think, very important conversations. And you’re an entrepreneur from Colorado, and you’re an avid skier and fly fisherman, but you write at a lot of different places, right?
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Yeah, I do. I very much do. I write a bunch of different places. Free the People is one of them, but I write currently for my own current sub stack called Besides the Revolution and then do a lot of work for someone named Jessica Reed Krause, who’s from House and Habit, who’s kind of a influencer and person who’s been pretty involved in kind of watching politics the last couple of years.
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There’s a lot to watch. There is. And then you, through the last election, you became very close with RFK Jr.
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Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. Did a lot of work for them as a volunteer, but worked throughout kind of helping him get elected and or, you know, in his position. We were I was very much involved in his campaign when he ran as a Democrat. Because I thought if both him and Trump could run, America was going to be in better hands than it was going to be otherwise. So I was an advocate for him to be involved in the Democratic primary when they kicked him out and he ran as an independent. I still thought his voice was really valuable to be in the conversation. So I joined in with them, did a lot of video work for them, did a lot of writing for them, and just had a wonderful time. It was a great experience in my life to be involved with someone like that.
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Were you surprised when he appeared on stage with Trump? You probably knew that was going to happen, yes?
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Well, I didn’t know specifically how it was going to happen, but the rumors had been kind of flying all that week. They had just secured access to all ballots in all 50 states the previous Saturday. And so I had called the campaign manager, just kind of congratulated her about the whole thing, got a chance to visit with them. But there were lots of rumors and things swirling around about what was going to happen. And so when he announced on the 23rd of August that he was joining up with Trump, I wasn’t terribly surprised, but I was… And actually, at the end of the day, it took a minute to kind of get over the fact that we put a lot of energy and effort into the campaign and what was going on as an independent. But… But it was the right thing to do, and clearly he made the best decision that I think he could have made at the time, given the circumstances.
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I think, obviously, it really helped Trump in the election, too.
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Yeah, I think so. You know, statistically speaking, we were seeing polling within the campaign where, kind of prior to Joe Biden’s dropping out, Kennedy was polling anywhere between 15% and 20%, depending on what you were looking at and which poll you were looking at. He wasn’t allowed on anything. He wasn’t allowed into the debates. He wasn’t allowed into the conversation because, you know, our— Nothing in politics is anything but dirty tricks. And that’s kind of how it works. And he was trying to really row upstream in a lot of that. When the internal polling sort of kind of came to light, you’d found out that six out of 10 people were going to move to Trump if he wasn’t in the election. So at the end of the day, after the assassination attempt and some of the things that happened there, you were looking at, you know, he was still kind of polling in that 10 percent. But, you know, 10 percent of the population, if 60% of that was going to move to Trump. It was a pretty big swing, and ultimately I think that’s why Trump won, a big reason why he won all seven swing states.
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Yeah, I think it was a big contributor. So we’re going to talk about all that. We’ve got a lot to talk about here at Everett, so I’m really excited about that. But several things I want to mention. First of all, I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their goal sponsorship of the show because it’s reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power. from naturally occurring hydrocarbons, such as oil, natural gas, and coal, that helps fuel our dreams and powers our lives and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And so I greatly thank Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. Our word of the day, I think, is it’s kind of a fun word to say. We will be talking with Rob Nadelson and stump Rob Nadelson in the second hour. So get your questions ready. But he had written a piece recently about Senator Tim Kaine, who had been a vice presidential candidate. that had said that our rights don’t come from God. Actually, I think it says in the Declaration, Jefferson said that in the Declaration, that our rights come from God, right?
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Yeah, it’s kind of a big foundational premise of the entire Western society, I think.
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Yes. And so Rob had written a piece about this, and he called – And I thought, well, that’s kind of a fun word to have as our word of the day. And it’s spelled I-G-N-O-R-A-M-U-S. And again, if you weren’t listening yesterday, I spelled the word out because Eric Manning, who was just a great fan of the show. uh just a a wonderful patriot passed on last week and certainly for him for his family for lisa all of them um my my sympathy goes out to them but every time i spell the word i think of eric but it is an ignorant person it could be a stupid ignorant person vain pretender to knowledge or a dunce and so now be nice today when you’re using this word but i think it’s a good word to use erin
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I think senator and vain replacement of knowledge or whatever that was. What was yours?
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Vain pretender of knowledge.
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Vain pretender of knowledge and senator could be interchangeable.
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I think that’s probably true. So our quote of the day, I went to Samuel Adams. He was born in 1722. He died in 1803. He was an American statesman, political philosopher, and a founding father of the United States. He was a politician in colonial Massachusetts, a leader of the movement that became the American Revolution, a signatory of the Declaration of Independence. and other founding documents, and one of the architects of the principles of American republicanism that shaped the political culture of the United States. He was second cousin to his fellow founding father, President John Adams, and he founded the Sons of Liberty. And 250 years ago, 1775, Aaron Everett, there was a lot going on.
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Yeah, there certainly was. Yeah, it’s you know, that era is so interesting to me because all those guys, for the most part, pretty young, young people. You know, they were their spirit was something where they looked at the world and saw a very different. They wanted a very different future and they and they made it for themselves. It’s really, really fascinating.
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It is. And this is what he said. If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. Those are pretty strong words.
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Very much so. But I think that’s what – when you find yourself in those moments, you know, I think people look at that initial founding and they think it’s just this kind of conversation around taxation or they think about it in terms of just very – kind of 30,000 foot view stuff. These guys were pretty interested in seeing a different world because they saw the whole thing as corrupt. They saw the East India Company and its sort of mercantilism and collusional investment with England and the King as a problem. They saw just a lot of things across the horizon, not dissimilar to where we sit today, where you see all of these things that are going on and you go, I feel powerless to stop it. I can’t really do much about it because the king is super powerful, or in our case, this empire seems really powerful. And you kind of look at it and go, well, what can I do? These guys took it upon themselves to do a lot, and it took a lot of risk.
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They took a tremendous amount of risk. And putting your name on the Declaration of Independence, they were signing that as they could hear the British cannons down the river. And so the narrative that has been out there that these were just a bunch of old white guys, to your point, many of them were quite young during the Revolution. But the fact that they would put, when they put their signature on the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a death warrant.
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Absolutely they were. Yeah, absolutely they were.
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And so they weren’t just these self-interested old white guys. They had, as you mentioned, a vision for something. It was different. It was radical that people might govern themselves. The quote at the end of the show, maybe I shouldn’t. We’ll go ahead. I thought this was really powerful, too, because it. And again, it’s Samuel Adams. And he said this, it is in the interest of tyrants to reduce the people to ignorance and vice, for they cannot live in any country where virtue and knowledge prevail. And sometimes I feel that that’s where we’re at now here in our country.
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Yeah, well, history is not – it rhymes, right, all the time. It doesn’t necessarily have the same actors, the same players, but it always rhymes with itself. And the moment that we’re in certainly rhymes with a lot of things that were happening at that time, and I think it’s been – It’s been really fascinating to watch. I think a lot of people say, I don’t know if we can vote our way out of this because there’s a lot of things that are corrupt and troublesome in Washington. And the more you watch Washington, the less hopeful you can become for sure. I mean, I think there’s a lot of things that are happening up there that are just very problematic and bothersome to the average American, because I think most of the people in Washington, you know, They’re happy to go enjoy their evening at whatever kind of steakhouse with their fancy bourbons as they step over the homeless that are right in front of them. And we just have lost so much about what it means to be within the American aesthetic. It’s just a very different world. There’s two true classes, those that are in power, those are the managerial class, and the rest of us. And that’s very similar, honestly, to what was happening in the 1770s in America.
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So Aaron Everett, I think that we are in the third founding of our country. I agree with that. And it’s a real ideological battle. And it’s been attributed to Stalin that he said that ideas are more powerful than guns. And we would not let our adversaries have guns, so why would we let them have ideas? So that’s why writing, as you do… the show as we do this is to help people get their brain around these ideas so that they can or their brains around these ideas so that they can engage in this battle of ideas that is raging because as Samuel Adams said that we we are at this time right now that we have to make a decision on what we’re going to pass on to the next generation yes and right now a big fat IOU and big national debt, and then also debt at the local county and state level. All of these things need to be addressed.
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Well, it seems to me that there’s been a pretty good push towards something I’ve called and written about a lot called extortion capitalism. which is sort of to take away all of the things that are on the backs of the people. We have our labor, our energy, our money all extorted from us. Our will, our sort of spirit has all been extorted at the expense of a lot of things to sort of grow this government and to grow this bureaucracy and to grow an overseas empire that’s pretty substantial. And a lot of that has just come at the expense of the American people. Most of that has come at the expense of the American people. And you look around, you know, we just did a drive from here to Canada to go to a wedding for a cousin of mine up there. And as you drive through towns through Montana and Wyoming, you see Main Street’s boarded up and shops closed. And there’s just this sort of brokenness that happens across most of Main Street in the United States. It’s all been sort of done at the sort of consolidated hands of people in government who are collusional with their buddies on Wall Street or this sort of revolving door between agency and politician and sort of the wealthy generation. non-producing segments of our society. I’m not sure, and I don’t mean to offend anybody who’s in finance, but I’m not really sure what finance generates other than more wealth for finance. It doesn’t necessarily produce things for the people on the ground in the United States. We don’t build things anymore. We don’t make things anymore. We do a lot of things that are just intended to generate GDP or 401 portfolio performance. But we’re not really looking at the American people and saying, you know, capitalism is a person-to-person trade. I’ll do something for you and you’ll give me your hard-earned money. And that trade is a necessary piece of commerce. It’s a neighbor to neighbor, treat your neighbor, love your neighbor as yourself kind of action. We don’t see that happening very much in the sort of American version of this extorted capitalism. It just isn’t happening. We are kind of looked at as resources that we can be borrowed against by our government. And we’re borrowing that money from our worst enemies and in order to sort of make sure that this system continues to preserve itself. I’m not in favor of that. I’d like to see us return to a system that is neighbor to neighbor, to this original sort of intent of capitalism that was happening at the same time that the founding was going on. You know, the Wealth of Nations is written at the very same time that the Declaration is written. And there’s a symbiosis there that’s really important to understand. And I think it’s something that we have… done a poor job of in the latter part of the 20th century and certainly into the 21st century, we’ve decided that it’s more important that we are able to borrow against our neighbors’ backs in order to make sure that things stay as they are.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. And I did want to mention Hooters Restaurants. They have three locations, Loveland, Westminster, and right here on Parker Road, relative near to the station. And great specials Monday through Friday for lunch and for happy hour. And how I got to know them, they’ve been great sponsors of both the Kim Monson Show and America’s Veterans Stories for many years. It’s an important story about when I was on city council and the story of freedom, free markets, and capitalism. And then, as I call them, PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, and how those two things match up against each other. So you can check that story out at my website. That is at kimmonson.com. And again, Hooters restaurants have locations in Loveland, Westminster, and on Parker Road. So let’s continue on. Aaron Everett is in studio with me. He writes multiple places, and he’s an entrepreneur. He’s an avid skier, fly fisherman. And going through some of these headlines that we’ve seen, this young Ukrainian refugee that was just going home, I guess, after work, and was on her cell phone on a light rail, and a mentally ill man stabbed her and killed her. And it’s crazy what I’m seeing, Aaron Everett, regarding the narrative on this. Van Jones has said that, let’s see, where’s the headline, that the right is race-mongering in light of this light rail murder. I just can’t believe that.
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You know, I think it’s an interesting piece of our world. When people don’t get listened to, then it pushes people to radicalization. And that’s what’s happening in our world with people that turn to violence. And I don’t know this young man’s story, and I certainly don’t know the young woman’s story. I don’t know what’s actually happened within all of that. But this… The world that we’re in, everyone seems to feel like they live within a silo. They can do they sort of act and do it as as they need. And there’s no social pressure backwards to say that these things are wrong. We are not seeing that happen. You see public defenders. You see people that have been put in place, both in both legislature and sort of. judicial world that just allow this stuff to kind of transpire they can say well it’s just it’s this is this kind of passing off of of old injustices and so now we have to write those injustices from the past from people that we don’t know or have no association with We have to right those injustices by letting injustice happen today. Sort of two wrongs don’t make a right.
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Right.
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But that’s where we are. And it’s what we’ve kind of created within our society by allowing everything to have equal station and terms of truth. And in terms of being right, we allow that this this is what can happen, because then there is no you can’t. You pass a judgment against the man who did something to murder this woman simply because of his past and his race. That’s not a kind of America or any kind of society that anybody wants to live in. It’s going to create chaos. It’s all it does.
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And we were talking in between, during the breaks, that it almost seems like by design that we have this chaos. And that it’s making our society crumble. Yeah.
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Well, strangely, I think chaos helps the powerful more than it helps those that are down in the chaos. If you can keep people in chaos, one of my favorite lines from the Kennedy campaign was when RFK would say, you know, as long as the king and the queen can come to the edge of the castle and look down and make sure that the people are still fighting amongst each other, they can head right back inside the castle, pop their champagne and celebrate that they’re safe. No one’s coming for the people in politics because they know that they’re fighting amongst each other. And that’s really what this is. This chaos is a management tool, frankly, for the powerful. And I think it’s just by design to keep people agitated with one another, fighting over details, fighting over the things when really what should be happening is we should be turning our ire and our frustration to the people who are supposedly the people that represent us. to the people who supposedly say that they are willing and wanting to lead us. If they have no ability to lead us or do that, and we just continue to fight amongst each other, then there’s no opportunity to change the system we live in. I find it interesting that people can get agitated with someone and say, it isn’t the politician’s fault, it’s your fault for voting because my plumber had a MAGA hat on. That’s the person we should blame. It’s the person that we don’t like what they’re voting against. record is, when really we should be turning our ire against the politicians who have done this and created this chaos.
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Well, and I want to talk more about RFK Jr. And speaking of this chaos, right here in Colorado, Lori Gimbelstein had with, she’s one of the co-founders of Colorado Parents Advocacy Network, had brought this story to me. And I kind of remember as going through the legislation as the president of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, But it hadn’t quite registered with me exactly what the problem was. And that was changing the competency laws. And so what has happened here in Colorado? If somebody’s committed a crime, and even if they’ve committed other crimes, if the judge rules that they’re not competent… they end up letting them out of jail. So this just happened up in Weld County. And it was that the sheriff is warning the people in Weld County that a very dangerous person has been released. He was forced to release this person. And so here we have dangerous people being put into our society. Also, we have, and so the legislature makes that decision. The legislature also has been passing legislation making it more difficult for everyday people to keep and bear firearms to protect themselves. This is making everyday people like sitting ducks, I think.
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Yeah, well, a judge’s republic is a contradiction in terms. There’s no such thing as a judge’s republic. And that’s what’s happening. What you see is a legislature who abdicates the final arbitration of what’s happening to a judge. The judge is now sort of… a king he becomes a king in this situation because if he decides that this person is incompetent then all the wrath of what that decision is is foisted upon the people and what what repercussions does anyone have what could you do to sort of change that conversation you can’t we might be able to vote judges out in colorado but that rarely happens it doesn’t happen very with any consistency And so the legislature here in our state, there’s this sense that we have to do all of these things to make sure that our virtues that we have and hold in our hearts are the most important thing that we do, even despite the consequences that come from it. That’s kind of, you know, my 10-year-old sons when they were younger kind of lived by that principle, but it’s not much of one to govern a country by or a state by.
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You make an interesting point, and somebody had said to me that progressives, liberals, many times react to things as children. And I think that that is true. And so what we see here at the Colorado State Legislature is, and this is a good point you brought up, Aaron, that they really have abdicated – Or given this power to this judge over here regarding the sentencing for a dangerous person and says you have to let them out ultimately.
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Who suffers any consequence from that? Right. Only the people. That’s it. There’s no no one will suffer a consequence from that. No legislature legislator will be will be voted out for this decision. No judge can be voted out for this decision. So this idea that you’re a republic, when you abdicate that to people who have no consequence, either through the voting booth or have no ability to be have that consequence like a judge, then you have no republic.
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Well, and that’s why we are in the third founding of our country. We’ve got a republic to reclaim for sure. We’re going to continue the discussion with Aaron Everett. Quite interesting. And a couple of other things I wanted to mention was, first of all, the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo, Colorado. And Drew Dix is a co-founder of the center, Medal of Honor recipient for actions he took during the Vietnam War. He has a great new podcast series, The First Season. You can find that at their website, which is AmericanValueCenter.org. They will also be having a remembrance for 9-11, which that is on Thursday. So get more information about all that by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. And for everything regarding residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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Well, Canada’s a kind of disaster in relationship to people’s ability to live freely. You know, I said there’s a there’s a bit of irony in it and that I think the covid world sort of ended because of the trucker strike that happened in Canada, which was a wonderful thing to watch, which I have a good piece on that. It free the people, actually. But. This piece, this idea, this is a $28,000 fine for walking in the woods. So if you go on a hike in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, these places that are there, they really do view this as this is their land. And you have the privilege of accessing it. And I think that’s a pretty dangerous place to live when we have a lot of land that is really intended to be public access. One of the great things that I think came out of the Roosevelt presidency was this idea that you could have places that people could go and experience the wild. There’s a lot of a lot of people use the wild for a lot of things like you suggested grazing or, you know, we go up to Wyoming and there’s a guy that does sheep herding in the woods. As soon as you start to reintroduce things like bears and wolves for the sake of feeling like this is something that you really want, now it becomes the property of the government and you have the privilege to come and enjoy it. This is, again, another kind of intersection of frustration in our country. We have a managerial class that truly believes that we are the problem. And so if they can spend they spend their energy trying to figure out how to make sure that we are we are less of a problem for them, that we don’t make their lives harder, that there’s no nuisance associated with it. And this deal in New Brunswick is just another piece of the puzzle in which they can sort of control and regulate and make sure that they manage us to make sure that we don’t do the things that make their lives troubles.
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When you say the word manage, I remember somebody that had given a speech about Americans think that we are free people. And Americans are good people as far as want to be law-abiding citizens. And the problem is we’ve got a lot of laws that are not constitutional. And then there’s been a lot of… abdication of elected’s responsibility to bureaucrats that put in rules and regulations that we are supposed to be compliant for. And when you have a compliant or trying to make people comply, have a compliant society, you don’t have a free society, but I hadn’t really thought about they’re trying to manage us with a compliant society.
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Well, again, I think the Western civilization is at a really troublesome moment in which it believes that you have to control people because in order to keep peace, and this goes way back to sort of end of World War II stuff. the people that were thoughtful at the time said the best thing that we could do is sort of make sure that we don’t ever go back into World War II. I don’t disagree with that kind of conversation. But the way that they came about it was that you had to basically bureaucratize the entire situation. You had to make sure that everyone was controlled. And you could do that. And you suggest this well, that Americans are sort of compliant, obedient people. They don’t Have a spirit of I want to break the law. And so but, you know, we all woke up this morning and probably before it’s seven o’clock, we’ll all have broken three of them because there’s too many. There’s too many things. And that’s really what this is. This is about. You have this real heavy conflict. And I think the Trump administration is kind of in the middle of this. You have this heavy conflict between a managerial state, a compliance driven state, and then and then sort of a. a constitutional conversation about civil leadership, civilian leadership. And those two things are at a very complicated intersection. This is one of those examples in which you have people saying, no, we need to manage you. We need to make sure that you stay compliant. We need to make sure that you kind of sit in your corner. And they know that most of us are willing to live within the paperwork prison they’ve created. And and yet you’ve got a conversation within the Constitution and within the sort of rebellion spirit of the United States that says the civilian is the most is the highest priority within our in our civilization. And we want the civilian to lead us. We want the civilian to lead our military. We want a civilian to lead our representation. We want civilians to sit on the courts. We want people that intersect with their society to be these people. And what’s happened is a very different thing than that 250 years into the country.
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And so we are at such an interesting point now as we look at these two things that are in conflict to each other. But COVID was somewhat of a defining moment. Erin, if I would have ever told you that I had to muster up courage to walk into the grocery store without a mask on, I would have said before COVID, you’re crazy. But that is what happened.
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And I did get kicked out of some businesses. I would walk in and they would say, do you have a mask? I would be honest. I would say yes. And I’d continue on in. Now, it was in my purse. Yeah. But I didn’t get kicked out very many times. But what I saw was this inner tyrant of people where people were given power in businesses to say, hey, do you have a mask? And to kick you out. It was crazy. But that’s a bit of your story with all of your writing and how you’ve gotten connected with RFK Jr.,
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Yeah, COVID was a radicalization piece for me. Going through that entire process was really complicated. I had four teenage sons at the time. And that’s the worst possible time in which to shut your children into the house. They’re just learning to explore a lot of things about what it means to be an independent person. What’s it like to kind of venture out into the world and see new things? And instead, we got to do theater on Zoom. It was just the dumbest choice that we could have made as a culture and as a society. It was very frustrating to me. I was working at the time in the delivery world and kind of in an entrepreneurial space around delivery. We were labeled essential workers, which I had the worst time with of all, that I was somehow essential and someone else was not. Same here. I had a friend who owns a nursery in Chicago and Home Depot could be open, but he had to be closed. This sort of arbitrary decision making that was happening and which people were valuable and which were not. And for the laptop class, the people who could sit in their house and do the work that they were doing, this was like the most liberating and wonderful thing that could have ever happened. They could have drinks by 10 and they could spend their day in their pajamas on Zoom. And and it was, you know, this sort of like giant ongoing party within your house for the people. And they suffered no consequences for it. Those people that were working, the blue collar folks of our world, Main Street, Main Street, the people that were not Amazon, the people who were not, you know, Home Depot. They were in panic, absolute panic mode. And then you saw this kind of idea that, well, it’s only two weeks and we can get through it. It’s a rally behind the nation and get behind it for two weeks. I said when it happened, it won’t be two weeks. It’s going to be a much longer deal than this because once they have this, they’re going to like it. The people in authority are going to like what this does. There’s going to be all sorts of reasons why this is the best version of America is someone tucked away in their houses. And you see it. That consequence was real and it was very long lasting in a lot of people’s lives. And then you just saw the authoritarian stuff just kick in. And every time each new step that came along the way, they they were emboldened by what decisions were they were given. the power they were given in it. You moved to vaccines. You moved to mandates. You moved to these different things. And then, as I said before, they just made us fight amongst each other. The businesses that were saying you should put your mask on were doing so out of threat from a bureaucrat. They weren’t doing that because they didn’t want you in their store. They were knowing that if you were in the store and causing problems, someone’s going to turn them in and they were going to lose whatever licensure they had, whatever sort of thing they had. They were at it was all a threat from somebody upstream who had no consequences, who got a pay raise all through that time, who got to live, you know, on a very in a very different world than the rest of us that were out in actually interacting with people in covid.
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And I remember making an appointment with the dentist, and they said that they were going to have to take my temperature. And I’m thinking, why? And they said, we are threatened that if we don’t do this, that we’ll lose our license, which is their license for their livelihood. It was terrible.
SPEAKER 09 :
It was terrible. I’m a real estate agent. I have my license. And there were lots of conversations and rumors about if I didn’t get the vaccine, then the state would have the ability to punitively punish me for my license. That was for hairdressers. That was for real estate agents. That was for all sorts of people were running up against that. And so there was this massive bureaucratic pressure to make sure and political pressure from people in power to make sure that we complied. be managed. You should be managed. And there was something really detrimental to that. And that is one of the reasons I was very compelled by RFK Jr. I thought what he had to say in COVID, he was the boldest voice with a tremendous amount of loss available for him. I mean, he lost family members out of the deal in terms of their relationships. He lost friends. He really suffered a tremendous amount of consequences for speaking out during COVID. And I admired that.
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And welcome back to The Kim Mounson Show. In studio with me is Aaron Everett. He’s an entrepreneur from Colorado and writes in multiple places. Where can people find you?
SPEAKER 09 :
So probably the most prevalent place I write is one called Besides the Revolution. It’s a sub stack and it’s a deal that we do. A partner of mine in New York, a friend of mine that I met through the Kennedy campaign, we write and do a lot of things on there. And we talk about a lot of things, culture, politics, music, art, politics. Just a wider range of that. So it’s besidestherevolution.substack.com.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. And you volunteered significantly for the RFK Jr. campaign. I did. So you’re close to all that is happening. Big fireworks last week on Capitol Hill. Dr. James Linesweiler, who’s on a regular basis, had done a piece at Substack, Popular Rationalism, That there would be powers that would try to force RFK Jr. to resign in September. So what’s going on, Aaron Everett?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, it’s performative theater. When I was at the hearings to see RFK confirmed back in February, what you really realize when you’re sitting in the room is that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are just looking for a clip that they can give to their donors in order to get reelected. So, you know, the camera goes on, the light goes on, and Bernie Sanders is making a big kind of ruckus at the table, turns to RFK for his answer. And as soon as the light goes off the camera, Bernie turns to his staff and starts to talk to his staff and doesn’t even listen to the Kennedy answer. So this is happening all over Capitol Hill. People don’t understand that we really do live in a kind of a performance theater from these folks. I think Kennedy understands the job. I think he’s got a drive in him. And I do know this certainly from interacting with him on the campaign. He’s got to drive internal to see this thing change. And I think of all the cabinet members that are out there, I think he’s performing at the highest level. I think he’s the most popular candidate within, or I’m sorry, candidate, most popular campaign, I’m sorry, cabinet member. I’m struggling with that. The most popular cabinet member currently. He’s got great approval ratings and favorabilities. And he’s doing, he’s accomplishing things. I mean, he’s actually working towards things. The Maha report comes out today. This is going to be a very interesting thing that comes out today. Discussing lots of things related to autism. Tylenol and thimerosal and vaccines. All of these different things that have been really pushed upon us and said that we need to comply with. Again, another kind of managerial class moment. Yeah. He’s somebody that’s very interesting. You know, when I was a kid, our vaccine schedule, I’m 50 years old, and there were six vaccines that we were supposed to take when I was a young kid. There’s 72 for children today, all of which has happened after this kind of immunity. They have no immunity in vaccines after the 1986 Act and again in the 2005 Act that George W. Bush signed into the thing that basically said, look, if there’s an emergency use of this stuff, Nothing can be questioned. There are no liabilities. And in fact, the 2005 Act says that the judicial system can’t even inject themselves into it at all. And so I think what he’s working on is just fabulous. I think it’s going to be profoundly shaking to the conversations that are out there. We live in a very mercantile-oriented system, whether that’s in food, whether that’s in pharma, whether that’s in defense industry stuff. We live in a mercantile system in which those people, That are in those businesses require the use of government in order by either force to exclude their competition or through subsidy to make sure that they survive because they wouldn’t be able to act on their own. You know, they wouldn’t be able to survive on their own without those subsidies. And I think what he’s doing is disruptive to that. And I’m really I’m proud he’s there, actually. I’m really proud that I worked on the campaign and I’m proud that what is happening in Washington with him is is a good is a good thing. So they’re coming after him, though. Of course. Yeah, well, of course they are. There’s a lot of money to be lost in this deal. You know, if you think about what big pharma sort of has within the system, it’s a profound amount of money. I mean, it really is. And each one of these vaccines, if they get on the schedule, it means that there are billions of dollars that they can profit from. And I’m very… Glad. Look, I’m a capitalist. I think it’s really important. But we don’t live in that system at all. We do not live in a capitalist system. We live in a mercantile system in which there are winners and losers that are picked by government. And I don’t like that system at all.
SPEAKER 16 :
I don’t like that system at all either. And it took me a while to figure this out. I thought we were in a capitalistic society. Then I realized, oh, big government and big business like each other.
SPEAKER 09 :
Of course they do. Yeah, they stand to profit from one another. And there’s a revolving door between the two of them. And there’s… And, you know, there’s never governments crafty and they do a lot of things to make sure that there’s no direct ties or direct links to it. But if you just look around and, you know, Scott Gottlieb, who was in the Trump administration the last time as a head of the FDA or a person participating in the FDA, is now on Pfizer’s board and he’s out advocating on Fox News for the removal of RFK Jr., That’s a crazy amount of collusion that’s happening there. And I think it’s just one of those deals that you look at and go, yeah, this is how government functions. It’s how it works. And we need to change it. And I like the disruption that’s happening. Look, RFK is going to be pretty much a wrecking ball in any of these situations because of the questions he’s asking haven’t been asked in 50 years. And so that’s going to be very disruptive to a system that has depended upon that stability. But I’m in favor of it. And if there’s sort of this chaotic disruption within the bureaucracy, it’s about time.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and Trump seems to be facilitating this. Trump, though, Trump had, what was it, Operation Warp Speed. And that was getting people vaccinated. And as we look in the rearview mirror… Was he was he was he naive? I think he as a businessman, he, you know, looks at people, get good people around you and listen to them. I think that he had had a friend in New York. They had body bags outside hospitals. He had a friend that died of covid. I think all that went into a decision. So he hasn’t totally walked that decision back. What’s your thoughts on that, Aaron Everett?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, it’s one of the reasons I supported Kennedy instead of Trump during the initial parts of the campaign. I thought that Operation Warp Speed was a really troublesome moment in our country. That if you could get people to just say that this solution to this virus or this thing that was happening out there, was going to come by force through compliance. Again, another piece of compliance. You have to get this thing in order to be a thriving person in this society. I was just fundamentally opposed to that. I just felt that was not a principled decision. Look, I don’t think Trump has… He’s not a principled person. He’s not an ideologue. He’s actually a person who runs sort of by gut and by the feel. And a lot of times that works out for him. He’s got great instincts. In this case, though… I think it was one of those instincts that he looked at the situation and said, I’ve got to do something. And I’m sort of, you know, up against it if I do it and up against it if I don’t. I need to do something. And I also think that given sort of the generation that he comes from is one in which all sorts of successes in technology were part of the narrative. We went to the moon. We were able to do all of these wonderful things together. vaccines are just a part of this technological advancement that’s gone on. And he looked at that and said, that’s probably the best solution that we can come up with. Had a lot of people around him telling him that that was the case. I think there’s way too much in vaccines that are questionable. None of them are very tested. None of them are tested very well, even if they are tested. And I think a lot of that is just one of those things. Again, these folks have been given immunity. And so if they have no consequence- And when you say that, immunity from legal action. Correct. There are no liabilities for people if there are vaccine injuries. There’s a vaccine payout that comes through a vaccine court, but you and I fund that through our taxes. And so here again is another extorted moment in which you and I fund the injuries of a corporation that’s doing something against the people of our country. I feel like that’s something that has to be changed. And without any liability, then these kinds of things can happen. And this was all sort of done through this idea of rolling it all out within an authorized use that was during an emergency. So there are just no consequences for anybody in that situation. And I think Trump made some mistakes in that. And he’s starting to lean towards having some of those conversations. Now, Trump’s never going to admit that he makes mistakes. It’s not who he is. But I think even some of the stuff that he’s posted even the last couple of days on True Social, Lean into this idea that there are things coming that need to be addressed.
SPEAKER 16 :
Erin Everett, we’re out of time. This has been fun. Lots of fun. I think. And thank you for all these texts. We’ll try to get to some of these as well. And so but our quote for the end of the show, I did share it earlier, but I think that it’s important. It says it is Samuel Adams. He said it is in the interest of tyrants to reduce the people to ignorance and vice. for they cannot live in any country where virtue and knowledge prevail. So, my friends, today be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for our number two.
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indeed let’s have a conversation and welcome to our number two of the kim monson show thank you so much for joining us you’re each treasured you’re valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history thank you to the team that’s producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike theresa amanda and all the people here at crawford broadcasting happy tuesday producer joe Happy Tuesday, Kim. Fascinating conversation with Aaron Everett in that first hour. And he writes for a lot of different publications, but you can find him at Besides the Revolution at Substack. And that interview will rebroadcast one to two in the afternoon if you missed that. That was super interesting. Hey, I got the… Colorado Union of taxpayers ratings report information to the printer yesterday and that is something that I’m glad to have that component of all that done and we would love to have you join us to get this this is a very extensive report on this 2025 Colorado legislature and so Join us. It’s only $25 a year. That’s $2.08 a month. And it is your shortcut to know what’s going on. And I do want to say thank you to this team that I get to work with, all volunteers that help put this thing together. And it’ll probably take a few days to get it all printed. But that’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner. Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onzorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And so, again, I want to say thank you. We are doing a road trip on Friday. And going up to Eiffel French Bakery on Lookout Mountain. And we will be broadcasting there 7 to 8 a.m. in the morning. And, of course, if you’d like to drop by and say hello and get some great pastries, we’d love to have you. And so that will be on Friday. So be sure and join us for that. Did also want to mention Grand Lake U.S. Constitution Week, which it starts next week. Next Monday, and we’ll be kicking it off with Rob Nadelson. And his subject is going to be really interesting. And that is ancient Rome and the Constitution. And Grand Lake wants to say thank you to some of their main sponsors. And that is at the Gateway Inn. And, in fact, there is going to be a meet and greet at the Gateway Inn with Jonathan Turley, who is the keynote speaker. So you can get more information about that by going to Grand Lake U.S. Constitution Week and getting your tickets there. But they want to say thank you to the Gateway Inn, Sun Indoors, Rick and Cindy Johnson, who own the Grand Escape Cottages, Hydrotech Plumbing, and Mike and Jackie Tompkins. And all of them are great contributors to make Grand Lake U.S. Constitution Week happen. And you can get more information about that by going to GrandLakeUSConstitutionWeek.com. That’s GrandLakeUSConstitutionWeek.com. And our word of the day, and I pull this because Rob Nadelson had recently written a piece about Senator Tim Kaine’s, it’s titled Senator Kaine’s Astonishing Ignorance, and he used the word ignoramus in a sentence and this might be fun just be as nice as possible when you using this word today it’s spelled i g n o r a m u s it could be an ignorant person a stupid ignorant person or a vain pretender of knowledge or a dunce and maybe what do they say don’t call people names but you should say uh that i that is a really ignoramus idea how’s that so your challenge is to use that in a sentence today our quote of the day is from samuel adams one of our founding fathers he was a signer on the declaration of independence he was born in 1722 he died in 1803 and he said this he said if you love wealth better than liberty the tranquility of servitude, than the animated contest of freedom. Go home from us in peace, we ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. Those are pretty powerful words by Samuel Adams, all those many years ago. And Again, I think we’re in our third founding of our country. We’re in a big battle of ideas, an ideological battle. We’re on the beach. We’re on the beach at Normandy, and we’ve got a long battle ahead of us to reclaim the state and the country that we love. But engaging in the battle of ideas is important, and it happens because of our sponsors. We have one of those on the line right now, and that is John Bozen with Bozen Law. John, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. Quite the powerful quote there. I think I need to find that one. I’ll get that on a wall.
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I’ll get that over to you. They were amazing men. And 250 years ago, well, men and women at that time, 250 years ago, a lot was happening in 1775. It wasn’t that they just turned on the switch in 1776, the Declaration. It had been a long time. a long way in getting to the point of declaring our independence. What did I say? Declaration of independence. And so pretty remarkable. But we are in this battle of ideas now, John, and I do appreciate Bozen Law for your great sponsorship of this show. But we’ve talked about it, but it’s so important to really continue to kind of make this point, and that is the importance of seeking and getting medical care and treatment after an injury.
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Yeah, and a lot of these topics, when we talk about them before I come on the show, what are we going to talk about this morning, are prompted by recent meetings, recent phone calls with clients and prospective clients, and this one this morning is. And, folks, it’s the importance when you’re involved in an accident where you’ve suffered injuries, where you’re feeling something that isn’t right, get in, see a doctor, Get evaluated, get checked out, make sure it’s not something life-threatening. I’ve been practicing for 35 years now, and unfortunately I’ve had the opportunity to see a number of times where somebody didn’t go in, didn’t get checked out, and sometimes, folks, it can take your life, especially head trauma, bleeding on the brain. It’s not necessarily something that… you’re not going to realize it more often than not. You may just have a real bad headache. But it’s so important to get checked out. And as I was mentioning earlier, Kim, for two reasons. First and foremost, when you’re involved in any kind of an accident that you suffer an injury, you’ve got to get checked out so you can have a diagnosis, have a doctor figure out what’s going on. and start to get treatment as early as possible. Early treatment makes a huge difference in the recovery time. Folks that ignore something that’s going on, let a couple weeks go by, they can do irreparable damage or harm to the body, to the part that was injured, by not getting that care when they need it. Second reason, for my purposes, for getting people compensated for what happens to them that should never have happened, is the legal perspective. We have to, as lawyers, have documentation of the injury. And so I tell folks, get in, get checked out, make a list. And I say that because it’s so important to describe in detail and make sure not to miss anything that’s not feeling right, that’s injured. People get in and they see a doc or they’re at the emergency room and their neck really hurts. And so they bring up the neck, but they also got pain in the ankle and the knee. And if they don’t bring those up, insurance companies down the road will look at those medical records and say, well, you didn’t say anything about your knee hurting or your ankle hurting at that visit, so you must have problems with your knee and your ankle from something else. Important to have everything that’s not feeling right looked at and checked out by the doctor.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. A couple of things I wanted to mention. First of all, from Parker to Golden, Little Richie’s Pizza and Pasta is your go-to for real New York-style pizza, hearty pastas, and that unbeatable local vibe. Little Richie’s is serving up daily specials, quick and tasty weekday lunch deals, and a happy hour the locals actually build their plans around. Whether you’re bringing the crew, catching up with friends, or flying solo for a hot slice, Little Richie’s is your neighborhood hangout. And again, that’s Little Richies in Parker and in Golden. And then also wanted to mention the Center for American Values located in Pueblo. And check out their website. There’s a lot of information there. Drew Dix has completed his first season of his podcast, Words from the Silo. They are going to have a remembrance on 9-11. And then they also have a training for secondary educators on September 23rd based on these principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism, which are the core principles that they focus on at the Center for American Values. They’re nonpolitical, nonpartisan, but they do focus on those very important principles. So check out AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. We have on the line with us Rob Nadelson. You know him. He is a constitutional expert. He is the author of the book, The Original Constitution. It’s in its fourth printing. And the byline on that is the historical meaning of America’s supreme law. Rob Nadelson, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 22 :
It’s great to be with you, Kim. By the way, it might be a little optimistic to say that people know me, so maybe I could just say a little bit more. I was a law professor for 25 years, primarily at the University of Montana. Before that, I practiced law in the Denver-Boulder area. And I took early retirement in 2010. I kind of had enough of the hijinks going on in academia. Came back to the Denver-Boulder area and have, since that time, worked with the Independence Institute, which your listeners may know is… Colorado’s premier free market think tank. So that’s what I’m doing now. And that gives a little bit more background. Also, I should mention that I write extensively on the Constitution. My work has been relied upon by judges at all levels from the U.S. Supreme Court down to trial courts over many years.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and to that, recently you published a piece that said three more U.S. appeals courts rely on your research. That’s pretty amazing.
SPEAKER 22 :
Oh, yeah. I hadn’t noticed this. I got a congratulatory note from another legal scholar the other day. He said, hey, Rob, you’ve been cited in this court of appeals decision issued by the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. And I was happy about that, and I scratched my head, and I said, you know, I haven’t checked for a long time. Have there been any others? And sure enough, in 2025, there were two others as well. And so you can add those Court of Appeals citations to the other ones and to the 39 Supreme Court citations. We’re competitive. We sort of build that stuff up. It’s a measure of our attempted influence anyway.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, congratulations, and I think that’s a testament to how important your perspective is. And so we are taking questions. Feel free to call in, or you can text me at 720-605-0647. Before we get into all of that, though, Rob Nadelson, Grand Lakes U.S. Constitution Week will open next Monday. You are the headliner on that at 5 p.m., At the Grand Lake Center, you will present on ancient Rome and the Constitution. This sounds fascinating to me because so many people say that we are like Rome in its last days, that there’s a number of different things that are very similar. Now, I don’t want to be a spoiler on your presentation, but what’s your teaser that you can give to us?
SPEAKER 22 :
Well, turn to the back of a dollar bill. And if you look on the dollar bill on the back, you’ll see the front and the back of the Great Seal of the United States. And you’ll notice that there are three legends there. One, of course, is the famous E Pluribus Unum, but there are two others as well. All three of those legends were attributed to a Roman poet, Virgil. This gives you an idea of how fixated the founders were on ancient Rome. The next time the president gives a State of the Union address, he’ll be speaking from the rostrum of the House of Representatives. Look behind him. On either side, you’ll see these vertical structures. They’re what are called fasces. They were carried by… Roman imperial bodyguards called lictors. So we’ve got Roman iconography, Roman symbols, sitting in the House of Representatives. The fascination with Rome, which persists today, was even greater, in fact, probably much greater, during the founding generation, where Latin and the Roman classics were the centerpiece of every boy’s education. Some girls studied them, too. And so you see… When you study the record, you see people drawing from the experiences of ancient Rome. Well, we should draft the Constitution this way, or we should do it that other way, because this worked well in Rome, or that didn’t work well in Rome. They looked at other parts of classical history, too, notably ancient Greece. But the fascination was with ancient Rome because they were trying to build a republic, a mixed republic with checks and balances. And the best ancient example of that was the Roman Republic.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, this is going to be fascinating. And we had Mark Oville on the other day, who is the president of the team that’s putting this whole thing together, all volunteers at GrandLakeUSConstitutionWeek.com. He said that this is their 14th annual. You have been at 13. You presented at 13 of the 14 Constitution Weeks. That’s a pretty great record.
SPEAKER 22 :
I’m proud of it. I’m a little bit chagrined that I missed the COVID year. But I’m old, and they told me to stay away. It was such a weird time. I was in on it from the beginning as a consultant, a very visionary person who lived in Grand Lake at that time and later served on the Grand Lake Town Council, a man named Tom Goodfellow. It was really his brainchild. But he was unaware of the problem. you know, of the map of the constitutional law. And he needed advice, you know, who to bring in as speakers. And some of the people that I recommended are still speaking today there. By the way, at the other end, I’m kind of bookending this. On the one side, there’s me. I’m the first speaker. But the last, the person they’re actually calling the keynote this year, is Jonathan Turley. who has become famous through his commentary largely on Fox News. And also, I’ve noticed that you, Kim, modestly have not said yourself that you have been very deeply involved in Constitution Week.
SPEAKER 16 :
I have for many years, and I’m not quite sure how many years, but… A lot. And I am honored to be the Master of Ceremonies again this year on Saturday. And Saturday is a lot of fun with the parade down Grand Avenue. And Jonathan Turley will be speaking. They’ve got a flyover scheduled, depending on weather. A lot going on. And people can get more information by going to GrandLakeUSConstitutionWeek.com. That’s GrandLakeUSConstitutionWeek.com. So, Rob Needleson, I’ve got a big question.
SPEAKER 22 :
Before we leave that topic, for those people who may be new to Colorado or not real familiar with Colorado geography, Grand Lake is on the western side of Rocky Mountain National Park. of Estes Park. Estes Park is the primary town that serves on the east, Grand Lake on the west. But Grand Lake is much smaller than Estes Park, and some of us would say less spoiled by tourism. It’s an absolutely gorgeous place. Grand Lake itself is the largest natural lake in Colorado and essentially part of the headwaters of the Colorado River, which, of course, ultimately flows down into the Gulf of California. And so it’s a lovely place to visit for any reason. But if you are interested at all in our American heritage, Constitution Week is probably the best time to visit. Also, the colors are usually great on the aspen trees.
SPEAKER 16 :
I’ve got a quick little funny story to tell you about Grand Lake and Estes Park. So Trill Ridge Road connects the two. And a few years ago, Gosh, you know, I bet I’d been involved with it 10 or 11 years. I need to go back and count. But anyway, decided to go home via Trail Ridge Road. Had not been on it for years. And I don’t think I’d ever driven it just myself. And it doesn’t have guardrails. And it was white knuckle for me. I don’t particularly like heights. And I was so relieved to… Make that drive, get through that. And it doesn’t have guardrails because there’s no room for any because it’s straight down. And a few years ago, Drew Dix, co-founder of the Center for American Values, was speaking. And he said, hey, Kim, what’s the best way to get to Grand Lake? And I said, well, you can go up I-70 or you can always go over Trail Ridge Road. It just depends. I said, but you have to be really careful because it doesn’t have guardrails. And then I caught myself. I thought, oh, I’m telling a Medal of Honor recipient who was in a 56-hour battle in Vietnam to be careful about guardrails. And I was a little embarrassed about that mom moment of mine, Rob Nadelson.
SPEAKER 22 :
Well, yeah, actually – They’re guardrails, but they’re what we jokingly refer to as Colorado guardrails. That is to say, they’re both invisible and infinitely elastic. There you go.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 22 :
I don’t know. It was a close call. I thought it sounded a little bit more professional, maybe. But whether it was the right decision, I don’t know. What’s important is the content of the book, and that is that it reveals what the Constitution meant to the founders, how they would have interpreted it in court and in practice right after the adoption of the Bill of Rights. I should also mention, Kim, that it’s an impartial analysis. In other words, it’s not there to design, not designed to promote a certain political or other agenda. If people call on the show today and in future shows, if they ask me for the constitutionality of a certain matter, I’ll answer the question the same way. You may not always not like my answer, but it’ll be truthful.
SPEAKER 16 :
And I really appreciate that about you, Rob Nadelson. And so let’s get into our first question that came in near the end of the show last month, and that is, why has Article 5 in the Constitution not been used?
SPEAKER 22 :
Okay, Article 5 in the Constitution is the article in the Constitution. The Constitution is divided into seven articles, and Article 5 is the one that is defined dedicated to the amendment process. The founders understood that while they were very great men, they were not infallible, and that there might be new developments, there might be aspects of the Constitution that needed to be changed. And so they included the amendment process. And actually, they provided for four separate amendment processes. In one, an amendment was proposed by two-thirds of both houses of Congress and then approved or ratified by three-quarters of the state legislatures. That’s been used for virtually almost all the amendments we’ve had. A second amendment process was Congress would propose an amendment and then it would be approved by three-quarters of state ratifying conventions. We did that. uh… with the uh… twenty first amendment which repealed prohibition but the two other methods have never been used and they are both triggered by the states two-thirds of the states notifying congress congress is required to call a convention of the states to consider amendments on a particular issue specified by the states And then once this convention decides on an amendment, it proposes it to the states for ratification. And from there on, the same procedure applies. There’s approval either by two-thirds of state, excuse me, by three-quarters of state legislatures or three-quarters of state conventions. The idea of allowing states themselves to propose constitutional amendments requires was extremely important during the founding era because they foresaw that the federal government might become abusive. And I think it’s fair to say that if there had not been that provision in the Constitution, the document never would have been ratified. That over and over, advocates of the Constitution said, look, if problems arise, the states can respond by proposing amendments and then submitting them back to the states for ratification. And yet, here we are, 230 some odd years later, and that procedure has never been used. And there are essentially two reasons. One reason applies to the years before 1960, and the other reason applies to the year after 1960. Before 1960, whenever the states started to get together and said, we want an amendment, and we’re going to hold a convention unless Congress proposes one, Congress then got the message and proposed the amendment. This happened with the Bill of Rights. It happened with several other amendments as well, including most recently the 22nd Amendment, which limited the president to two terms. Since 1960, however, Opponents of the amendment process have taken the tactic of spreading the story that if a convention of states is held, it would be a constitutional convention that could do anything, that could completely rewrite the Constitution. This story has been repeatedly discredited by leading legal scholars as simply inaccurate alarmism. But it has gained sufficient traction among the opponents of amendments to prevent change. That’s why we don’t have a balanced budget amendment, even though that’s been favored by over 70% of the American people for 50 years. It’s why we don’t have term limits. even though bipartisan majorities of over 80 percent favor term limits. It’s why we don’t have other restrictions or reforms on the federal government, even though most people favor them, because of this alarmist story that has prevented the states, a sufficient number of the states, from ever getting together to force the calling of a convention.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, these are important issues that are being brought forward regarding Article 5. My question, I struggle with term limits. I’ve had explanations that are maybe moving me closer to that. I’ve always thought that, and the founders thought that the voters would be those that would institute term limits. Of course, now we see people that are making a career out of politics and for decades, and that doesn’t work very well. But I’m concerned about the bureaucracy. We need to have term limits on the bureaucracy as well. So how would you address this discussion regarding term limits?
SPEAKER 22 :
Okay. First, the founders did have term limits. Many of the state constitutions provided for term limits. The Confederation Congress had term limits. The primary reason they did not impose term limits in the Constitution is that the Constitution provided for a federal government with very limited powers. I shouldn’t say very limited. I mean fairly broad powers, but certainly limited. And they certainly did not foresee that people would be sitting in Congress for 50 years. The other thing to keep in mind is that at the time that the Constitution was written, The life expectancy for men was generally in about the 60s. Well, it was less than that. But once you survived childhood, a man could expect to live into his 60s. Very few people, John Adams lived to be 90, but it’s extremely rare to have that length of time. Well, today, of course, with these very lengthy life expectancies, people can serve in Congress 50 years if they’ve got themselves a safe district and have. The same problem, by the way, applies to the Supreme Court. The average term on the Supreme Court in the 1790s was only eight years. People sat on the court and they either died or they moved on to other jobs. Today people are sitting on the court for 25 years on average. And so partly we need term limits simply because of changed conditions. And the founders explicitly recognized there would be changed conditions. They were in the middle of the Industrial Revolution. They knew that things could change fast. And so that’s one reason. I agree with you that term limits should extend beyond Congress, that we probably should have term limits on service in the executive branch. We already have them for the president, right? But certain lesser executive branch offices also. And I think we should have term limits for the Supreme Court. My own preference is one single term of 18 years, and then you’re off the court. And I favor that for a number of different reasons. So I think it is time for term limits. There’s one other thing I should mention. The primary argument against term limits is that the bureaucracy will control things because they develop relationships with people who serve in office over many years. Well, the reality is the bureaucracy controls things either way. I mean, you’ve got people who were there for many years. They developed a relationship with the bureaucracy. There have been some studies of the voting patterns of people who are term-limited voters. compared with a legislators who are not term limited and generally speaking legislators who are term-limited tend to be more fiscally conservative than those who are not let me just give you one final example this is an overlong answer but I think it’s important I as I mentioned I lived in Montana for many years and Montana did not have term limits and basically the decisions as to what the legislature could hear were routinely made by five or six guys in a poker game each day during the legislative session. Just those people. Once Montana adopted term limits, that was broken up. And the situation, the legislature became much more democratic and also much more conservative.
SPEAKER 16 :
Interesting. And what do you foresee for Article 5? Because I know that there are people that are working diligently to try to get to an Article 5 convention. What’s your prognosis for that?
SPEAKER 22 :
It’s difficult to know. I mean, one of the One of the problems that advocates of an Article 5 convention face is that many conservatives say, well, you know, we’ve now got a Republican Congress, Republican or White House, the problem is solved. But, of course, the problem is not solved. You’re not always going to have Republicans in all three branches, and even Republicans do stupid things. Under Republican governance, I’m ashamed to say, because I’m a Republican, under Republican governance, the debt has grown fast, sometimes faster than under Democrats. The problem here is not personalities, fundamentally. The problem is structural. The federal government has become dysfunctional because constitutional limits… have effectively been changed, and they need to be reset. Of course, one responsive argument is, well, how is a constitutional amendment going to make a difference if they’re not honoring the Constitution anyway? And the answer to that is, look at history. Constitutional amendments work. They’re very effective. Virtually all the constitutional amendments ever passed, even those passed over 200 years ago, continue to have bite, continue to have effect, probably more effect than the original Constitution.
SPEAKER 16 :
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. And if you are a runner, the USMC Memorial Foundation is hosting a 5K run on September 20th. And that will benefit the USMC Memorial Foundation and help them with the work they’re doing to take care of the memorial and to remodel the memorial. So more information on that, go to USMCMemorialFoundation.org. That’s USMCMemorialFoundation.org. And you can text me with your questions for Rob Nadelson, 720-605-0647. I have a question for you, Rob Nadelson, and people can find your articles by going to i2i.org. That’s the Independence Institute’s website. And put your name in, and they’ll get your most recent post. But you had written a piece regarding Senator Tim Kaine, who had been a vice presidential candidate, It’s titled, Senator Kaine’s Astonishing Ignorance, and you’d use the word ignoramus, which I decided to use as our word of the day regarding this. So that’s such a funny word, and so I thought that would be fun. But this is crazy. He said that rights don’t come from God, as Jefferson said in the Declaration, but that they come from government. Address that, please.
SPEAKER 22 :
Oh, yeah. This was amazing. Secretary of State Marco Rubio was, I think, testifying before Congress, and he said that rights are given to us by the creator. And so Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, who we may remember was Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016, so he was almost vice president of the United States. Cain goes after Rubio and says, oh, it’s really alarming when you say that rights come from God or from the Creator. We know they come from the law. The idea that they come from God or Creator, I mean, that’s the kind of thing that would be said by the theocrats who run Iran, you know, the Islamic fundamentalists. That’s an alarming, that’s the word he used, that’s an alarming concept. So Senator Ted Cruz, who of course is a former Supreme Court advocate, he used to argue before the Supreme Court, knows the Constitution pretty well, walks in, I guess toward the end of the testimony, but he’s hearing what Kaine is saying. He can’t believe his ears. And he said, well, Here’s another document or another source which said their rights come from the Creator, and of course he quotes from the Declaration of Independence. And I wrote about the incident and said that if Cain finds the concept that our rights come from the Creator to be alarming, he must find the Declaration of Independence to be absolutely terrifying. This was the latest of a long series, really over the last decade, of incidents that demonstrate that many of the people in high office, including the U.S. Senate, are incredibly ignorant. I mean, ignorant beyond what you can possibly imagine about our traditions. And I collected a number of these in an article a few years ago, and so my latest article is an update on that. It is extraordinary. It’s also extraordinary that if these people are so clueless as to What the Declaration of Independence says, you know they’ve made other mistakes, too, and you wonder, how do they ever get elected to office? And I have a suggestion in the article as to why, but that’s the background there. By the way, Kim, I wanted to mention that as we’ve been speaking… A new article of mine has just been published by an outlet called Civitas Outlook. Civitas Outlook is a branch of the University of Texas, and it takes off from President Trump’s current struggles in trying to get a hold of the executive branch and explains partly why His moves are controversial based upon two 20th century Supreme Court decisions, one of which was partly wrong and the other which was completely wrong. So that’s going to be published very shortly also on the Independence Institute website.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. And so that is a question that I know many of our listeners have, and that is, These actions that Trump is taking, and we have lower court judges that are taking stands, it seems like political stands on that, martial law, the idea of having federal troops involved. in our cities possibly against citizens i’m concerned about that however these blue city mayors and governors have let our communities devolve into chaos and crime what’s your thoughts on trump on all that yeah there’s a whole cluster it is all that it’s a whole cluster of constitutional issues um the uh
SPEAKER 22 :
First on the issue of troops in cities. I think one reason that President Trump is hesitating is he’s being told that his power to marshal troops to do routine law enforcement is very limited. We do, of course, have a federal system. And the president certainly can marshal the National Guard and he can marshal troops to protect federal installations and, of course, to enforce federal law. But he’s not allowed either by the Constitution or by the law to send troops or National Guardsmen into a state simply to to deal with ordinary civil unrest, to deal with the murders in Chicago, for example. Obviously, the murders in Chicago are a terrible tragedy, etc. But constitutionally, the responsibility for dealing with them lies in the people who run Illinois and the subdivisions of Illinois, like the mayor of Chicago. So that’s basically where the dispute or where the controversy is there. There are also controversies going on regarding the power of President Trump to impose tariffs. Two courts now have decided he’s exceeded his power by imposing tariffs on foreign countries. There’s also the question of whether he can fire people on so-called independent boards and commissions are supposed to serve for specific terms my latest article the one i just mentioned in civitas outlook deals with those issues and uh… basically says that a lot of the confusion arises because u.s. supreme court has disconnected executive powers from the constitution so people don’t really know where the limits are So what the court needs to do is it needs to revisit two of its earlier decisions.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. So is that going to happen?
SPEAKER 22 :
I think the court will certainly revisit. Well, not certainly. I think there’s a good chance that the court will revisit one of those decisions. The two decisions, one was decided in 1926. It’s called Myers v. United States. And it held that when the president appoints somebody with Senate approval, if the president wants to get rid of him, he can just unilaterally dismiss him. He doesn’t need the Senate approval. And that holding was correct. The president does have the power to dismiss people in the executive branch. He has to. I mean, he has to be able to administer it. to do that to administer the laws. However, the Meyer case also went on to say that the Constitution grants the president a broad executive power that nobody seems to know the scope of. It’s not really explained what the scope is in the Constitution. And that holding, I think, or that statement anyway, was wrong. I don’t think the president has some amorphous executive power that goes beyond what he’s given in the Constitution. The other Supreme Court decision came out in 1935, and it was entirely wrong. And it said that Congress can set up administrative agencies and give their members fixed terms, and the president can’t get rid of them. So, for example, the Federal Trade Commission or the NLRB, the National Labor Relations Board, the court said that if Congress specifies terms for them, the president can’t fire them. their members as President Trump wants to do. I think that decision is clearly wrong, and I think it will be revisited because the president, again, as head of the executive branch, has to be able to fire people in order to carry out his duties.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. So we have Ben Williams on the line with a question. Very limited time, so this may be our cliffhanger for next week or next month. Ben Williams, what is your question?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, Rob, just curious, is there any constitutional mechanism for removing some of these radical activist judges?
SPEAKER 22 :
Is there any constitutional mechanism for removing some of the radical activist judges? In my view, no, not unless… uh… they actually violate a law in some way i did an article a few years ago during the time of the trump impeachment in which i investigated what high crimes and misdemeanors means and essentially it means the commission of a serious crime that’s why the two trump impeachments were both in my view unconstitutional and so i don’t think it’s uh… possible to get rid of the judges in that way on the other hand The Supreme Court, as the overseer of the judicial system itself, can put these judges on leave. And maybe the Supreme Court should start doing that.
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Okay. Great question. We’re out of time. Thank you, Ben, for that question. Rob Nadelson, we’ll do this again next month. You bet. Thank you. It’s great being with you. And our quote for the end of the show is from Samuel Adams, who said this, It is in the interest of tyrants to reduce the people to ignorance and vice, for they cannot live in any country where virtue and knowledge prevail. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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