Join the hosts of National Crawford Roundtable as they delve into the complexities surrounding the latest government shutdown. In this episode, we dissect the political narratives and misrepresentations fueling the ongoing debates. Learn why Senate Republicans’ confirmations amid stalled negotiations present a unique angle on this political standoff. Our discussion also reveals the unpopular truth about Congressional pay and how political incentives can steer national direction. Dive into the intricacies of policies that affect both the government’s financial planning and the ethical obligations towards citizens.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
Another edition National Crawford Roundtable. I’m your host today, John Rush out of Denver, Colorado. My show is Rush to Reason. Neil Boron, Buffalo, New York. Neil Boron live with us today. Bob Duco should be joining us. Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show. Neil, good morning.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, good to hear from you, John. How are you?
SPEAKER 02 :
always a joy. Um, as you know, I, I learned so much from you guys on a weekly basis that actually look forward to, we, if you all know, we record on Wednesday morning. So Bob says this all the time. If things get a little wonky timeline wise, then you all know why we talk about some things the way we do. And today, Neil, entering the eighth day of the government shutdown. So I thought we’d start with that. We’ve got several things to talk about today, but here’s something that I just read this this morning. I wasn’t aware this was going on. Senate Republicans have confirmed more than a hundred Trump nominees as the shutdown continues. So I guess if there’s anything out of the shutdown, that’s a good thing. In fact, I think there’s others, but that’s one good thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
So they’re actually working. You know, the one thing that I, I guess I was never fully aware of, but, uh, was the idea that Congress continues to get paid during a shutdown.
SPEAKER 02 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
Active duty military personnel maybe don’t and others in certain positions may have their paychecks withheld for a while, but Congress gets paid. So there you go.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. And as we’ve talked in the past, and I think I’m sure you have on your show and I have on mine, I mean, the reality is they all will eventually get paid. There might be a delay in pay and some, to your point, will get paid during the shutdown. Others don’t. And again, we’re day seven. And, you know, one of the things and I know we’ve talked about this on some of the shows. In the past, we’ve even talked about it during some of their shutdowns. I think the difference about this shutdown, Neil, versus others is if you look at what the left is actually, what the Democrats are actually looking to get out of this and the complete, utter misrepresentation of what they’re actually arguing about. I mean, they’re flat out lying. I don’t know how to say it. They’re flat out lying when they’re talking about, you know, what the what the Republicans, what the conservatives have done budgetarily speaking. I mean, it’s a flat out lie. And what they’re wanting to put back in is absolutely absurd. I mean, there’s there’s no reason to go down that path and put back in what they want. They want more than what was actually taken out to begin with.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, including taxpayer-funded abortions, bottom line. What’s amazing about the whole scenario is that the Republicans are offering the idea of a continuing resolution where they can push this thing out into the future and officially decide on the budget at some point and funding the federal government at some point. But in the meantime, the government could be open right now. And all Democrats have to do is say, OK, let’s push it down the road a bit and we’ll figure this out in the meantime. They wanted the government shut down because somehow they want to try to blame Republicans. But the reality is the blame is on them. Democrats are the ones who shut it down.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, it is. And again, appreciate you saying that. And I think, you know, the one thing that we need to remind folks of is the fact that, yes, they are the ones that are causing this. And, you know, there’s been so again, there’s so much information on the left. And you even saw, you know, the White House, you know, press secretary in the White House itself come back and really go against some of the rhetoric that’s coming out from the left as to, you know, illegals, you know, for example. There’s no such thing as an illegal alien getting medical treatment under Medicaid. And so she just comes out and there’s been so many stories now that have been put out about how, no guys, yes, they have actually been getting treated. And this is the amount of dollars roughly that we’ve been spending. And again, it’s another one of the lies of the left, Neal.
SPEAKER 04 :
And there seems to be no end. I mean, honestly, both political parties do what they can to make themselves look better. But I think the Democrats have cornered the market on being able to look in the camera and just absolutely lie to people’s face, knowing, obviously, that the legacy media is going to back them up or push the narrative, which is why you see talking heads on liberal news programs, elected officials from the Democrat Party. members of government that are already elected, you know, all these people on the same page saying the exact same thing every time something like this goes down. And we’re watching it again with regard to the big, bad Republicans who shut the government down. Not so. We said, no, we’ll keep the government open. Just agree to give us some more time and just participate with us. And they’re lying. They’re literally lying.
SPEAKER 02 :
There are. And there’s an article, by the way, USA Today, not a conservative publication by any stretch of the imagination. So I’m going to read directly from this particular article. Before Republicans passed the GOP tax and spending bill this summer, certain classes of qualified immigrants quotes around qualified with legal status were eligible for Medicaid coverage if they also met poverty thresholds. And by the way. One thing that this article is not saying is there were there are certain states, i.e. California, whereby you could have literally come across the border and literally went and then got medical care immediately. So there wasn’t even this qualified status in certain states. I want to make sure that I’m very clear on that, because that’s not the case across the country. So even among those lawful qualified immigrants, several groups were required to wait five to seven years after arrival immediately. into the US before they could become eligible. The new GOP law reduced Medicaid eligibility to only US citizens, legal permanent residents, and certain Cuban and Haitian immigrants And the other groups would no longer qualify, which by the way, Neil, I’m all for that. I mean, we’ve got enough, you know, this is sort of that we’ve got to take care of our own. It’s like the oxygen mask on the plane. You can’t take care of others if we haven’t taken care of ourselves first. And the reality is we are a country that’s $34 trillion in debt. Actually, I probably should double check that. It’s probably high. I mean, it keeps growing on a daily basis, as you know, Neil. In fact, I might be wrong in that. Is it 34? Is it 36? I’m sorry. I apologize. I didn’t check.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t know. But, you know, I think that they’re poking the wrong bear here. I mean, Donald Trump’s not going to be bullied on this.
SPEAKER 02 :
By the way, it’s 37. It’s almost 38 now. So I was off by $4 trillion. Sorry. So it’s almost $38 trillion now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Yeah. So I don’t know. Do you think Donald Trump is going to be bullied on this by the Democratic Party? I doubt it. So this is a bunch of political theater that’s leading nowhere. Democrats are going to get nothing out of this. And the attempt is to pin all this on Donald Trump. I don’t think the American people are going to buy it long term.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I think you bring up a great point. One thing that I want to throw this in really quick, because you talked about how even the publicly funded abortions and things along those lines, and those are things that we’re dead set against. I mean, we’re dead set against abortion, period. Reality is, in some cases, yes, it’s going to keep happening depending upon the state that you’re in. I happen to be in a state that it happens all the way up even into late-term abortions. And the best way, by the way, and this is my opinion, I’ve heard many a pastor even talk on this, Neil, the best way to handle the abortion topic, in my opinion, isn’t legislatively speaking. It’s through the heart, and it’s through showing young women exactly what’s going on inside of the womb. And Neil, the reality is pre-born does exactly that. And for those of you listening, if you think, hey, how can I be a part of this? How can I actually save babies’ lives? The way you do that is by donating To Preborn, you hear Bob talk about it all the time. You can give small donations. You can give a large donation. $15,000 buys an ultrasound machine. There’s multiple ways and countless ways, I should say, to actually help Preborn. And folks, every donation helps. Even if you’re somebody where you’re like, man, guys, John, I’m on a fixed budget. I really can’t do anything, but I’d like to help. Neil, even $5. I mean, at the end of the day, if you get enough people doing $5, it all adds up. And the reality, folks, is we need your help. Preborn needs your help. We want to save. the lives of these babies that are inside of mom’s womb. And at the end of the day, Bob always says, and I fully understand where he’s coming with this, in a lot of cases, mom’s life and the family’s lives are also changed. Some of them come to Christ at the same time. So folks, give to Preborn. Go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Look for them there. And Neil, another great organization. In fact, I’ve talked to many of my own listeners and I had a listener the other day that actually bought a device and it’s a great device. And I’ve even got a medical practice that I’m actually talking to you right now about SunPower LED because I know how well it works.
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SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, is Bob there? Hey, Bob.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s a long story, guys. But hey, I thought I would just crash the podcast. Yeah, that’s all right. Kind of like how Bob Hope used to just walk out in the middle of The Tonight Show. Hilarious. No, I know. Just long story about earlier. But anyway, I am here now.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, glad you’re with us. And yes, Bob’s got his own testimonies on SunPower. Bob, talking about the government shutdown going into the eighth day. And, you know, the reality is, you know, the list of things that the Democrats want to get the government back open again. And I think this is one of those areas where GOP, you know, the right, the conservatives are just not going to bend. And thankfully so, because what they’re asking for. And in fact, as far as I’m concerned, in all cases, it’s just a wasteful amount of spending. And as I said a few minutes ago, you didn’t hear me say this, but we’re almost $38 trillion in debt right now. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you’re going to add $1.5 trillion to this on top of it? Right. This whole thing, too, is that all the Republicans are – first, frankly, I don’t like CRs anyway. I don’t like these continuing resolutions. Let’s just kick the can down the road a few weeks anyway. Here’s Mike Johnson and the Republicans and Donald Trump willing to say to the Democrats, you know what? We’ll kick off the new fiscal year for several weeks of status quo. You guys just get to keep all of your Biden spending while we talk this through. And the Democrats are going to say, no, that’s not enough. And by the way – and I got to say too that people are confused when they’re like, well, wait a minute. The healthcare part of this. The Democrats say this is an absolute lie. We’re not trying to provide healthcare to illegal aliens. And it’s like, yes, you are. Yeah, you are. Yeah. every illegal alien. But when you try to extend these Obamacare subsidies that end up allowing for illegal aliens to go into a hospital, if an illegal alien goes into a hospital, all right, they have to be treated anyway. The hospital is not allowed to turn away a human being. OK, so they’re going to be. The question is, who’s going to pay the hospital bill? The Democrats are saying we want the American taxpayer to pay that hospital bill and then also take all of the illegals that Joe Biden, with a wave of his magic wand, decided to declare, they’re legal. I’m going to put them in my parole program and say that they’re legal. And so now suddenly they’re not illegal and they’re entitled to health care? No. These are millions of illegal aliens that would be getting government-funded health care instead of being given the bill themselves. They’re going to get treated, whatever they need, whatever emergency, they’re going to get treated. Who pays the bill? That’s what this is about. Democrats are saying we want the taxpayer to pay the bill.
SPEAKER 02 :
And that’s where, you know, it’s like, you know, I’m tired of paying the bill for everybody else. I guess as a positive taxpayer, a net taxpayer, I’m not a net tax receiver like a lot of folks are. I’m a payer. You guys are payers. No offense, guys. I’m tired of paying for everybody else that doesn’t contribute.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. And you know what? And by the way, if it’s some senior citizen, elderly person, and they’re infirm and they can’t pay their bills or whatever. I’m okay with that.
SPEAKER 02 :
We have Medicaid. That’s different. We have other things for that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. We’re not talking about that. We’re talking about somebody that is either A, young, healthy, able-bodied, and too lazy to go get a job, or B, somebody that broke into this country illegally and is not obeying our laws. Those people do not deserve to have other people pay their medical bills for them.
SPEAKER 02 :
I’ll add one layer to this. I’m probably going to get in trouble for saying this. I’m also tired of, and I know some individuals along these lines, I’m tired of the… couples who won’t get married because they know if they do it changes where they’re at you know tax wise and even qualifying for some of the things that we’re talking about i’m even tired guys of those individuals that know how to game the system that can stay on medicaid and and i know somebody that just did this they can stay on medicaid have a baby i’m paying for it these are able-bodied still working working as we speak americans that have the ability to go out and get health insurance but because they know how to game the system They do, and the three of us are flipping the bill. I’m also upset about that, guys.
SPEAKER 03 :
John’s email address is… And I can hear the senior citizens out there right now going, oh, but wait a minute here. We don’t want to legally get married because then suddenly we go from double Social Security income to one and a half Social Security income. That is kind of gaming the system. Then, John, you do have… And by the way, I agree with you. But you’re going to have people that say, yeah, but the system is set up right now to punish… marriage, it shouldn’t be that way. We should restructure the system.
SPEAKER 02 :
And by the way, I can’t disagree with that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Don’t make me feel bad because I’m, you know, that kind of thing.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, I get it. And I understand what you’re saying. And I was telling my wife last night that I’ve been one of those all along who have always felt like government shouldn’t be in the marriage business, period. That’s probably a podcast guy’s in and of itself where we get all sorts of opinions on that because I’m one that says, I don’t think government should be involved in that period. I don’t think there should be better deductions for married couples versus non-married couples. I mean, I know why we do it. I know why the tax system is structured that way. It’s encouraging. you know, families and family growth and having kids and so on. But I don’t like it. My point is there are people out there that even are American citizens and they know how to gain the system, how to stay on Medicaid. So all the rest of us are paying the bill. And by the way, these are people that I look at and say, oh, wait a minute. You’re not really there’s no sacrifices on your end. You’re not working half the hours that I am. And yet you’re reaping a lot of the same benefits that somebody that works twice as what twice as much as you do. That’s not fair either, guys.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that’s not. But I I’m going to push back a little bit and say, I think that. Neil DeGrasse Tyson, A government should do anything they can to support marriage and family, because if you actually look at the problems we have in our society. Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Crime, of course, being one of them, but high suicide rates and drug addiction and everything else you’re looking at you know fatherless homes broken families etc.
SPEAKER 02 :
Neil DeGrasse Tyson, And I won’t disagree with that Neil, but my point isn’t about Bob was right, a moment ago, the reality is we. We right now, we incentivize almost the opposite of that from some of the things that we’re talking about right now, especially when it comes to Medicare, Medicaid and things along those lines. We actually are incentivizing people not to get married.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And if we’re going to incentivize anything, it should incentivize in the direction of what Neil’s saying. And I know where you’re going as a libertarian here. Let’s not incentivize anything in either direction. But I don’t know if this is something that can’t automatically be incentivized one way or another.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and really quick, Bob, I am not against incentivizing folks to have children because right now our birth rate is such a point where If we don’t do something about that, economically speaking, we can’t continue to survive. We’re going to be like Canada paying people to actually, you know, have kids on a monthly basis. I don’t want to get to that point either. So I’m OK with incentivizing families, family growth, having kids and so on. And however we do that, I’m all for. So even though I’m not somebody, to your point, that really likes to incentivize certain things and we can go through the list of them that are out there. I am one that because of what Neil just said, I really want to see more family, more family growth, kids and so on. Now, on another note, probably another podcast in and of itself, the left is really getting hurt on this. I read an article. It’s interesting you say all this because I read an article over the weekend talking about how the left is killing themselves when it comes to. their reproduction end of things because of all of this nonsense they’ve gone through with, you know, being gay and transgender and this, that and the other. They are, quote unquote, not reproducing at the same rate that conservatives are. And at some point, Bob, I’ll start with you. This is going to come back to haunt them.
SPEAKER 03 :
It very well could, okay? And you know what? Boo-hoo, break my heart.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, yeah, exactly. I think let it happen. But one of the things that we do also understand about Democrats is that one way or another, they will lie, cheat, or steal to game the system in their favor to overcome something like this. We see them doing this with people exiting their own states. You know, when you have a bunch of people leaving California because… We can’t afford the taxes out there. It’s just too much. And so they leave and they move to someplace like Florida. California doesn’t want to lose power. They don’t want to lose U.S. congressional districts. They don’t want to lose electoral college votes. So we’ve got to replace those people somehow. I know. Let’s make ourselves a sanctuary state. Let’s have open borders and flood a bunch of illegals in here so they can pad our census bureaus so we can maintain our high number of electoral college votes in California. And congressional districts. So one way or another, they would find a way, I think, to cheat the system and still make up for the the reduced the reduced children being born among liberals. How they would do that. I don’t know. But I said this before. If you liberals are having less children. Good. Although I don’t want it to be because of abortions. If that’s the reason why, then I don’t want to say good.
SPEAKER 02 :
I agree. Neil, your thoughts on this? And again, I agree with everything Bob just said. The only thing that I have said, and I’m going to keep saying this is because I know some of these individuals and what actually happens, there are still A lot of folks, even with the open border sides of things with Joe Biden, and this is one thing I don’t think the Democrats really realize, there still are, I don’t know what the percentage is, but there are some really solid conservative families that came to the U.S. that don’t think like Democrats. Yes, they crossed the border. Yes, they crossed illegally. I get all of that. We’ve talked about some of that in the past. But they are not true blue Democrats and don’t go lock, stock and barrel with the Democrats because these are very family oriented people, Neil, at the end of the day that I don’t think. And what I’m getting at is I don’t think it’s as cut and dried as everybody thinks that even the Democrats think when it comes to bringing these people in. That’s my point.
SPEAKER 04 :
yeah well i think that has everything to do with donald trump’s growth uh in in terms of voters and support from the latino community that’s what you’re seeing people come from you know pseudo-communist countries socialist countries they don’t want that anymore and they recognize what they’re seeing here from the democrat party and they’re like no we want freedom so we’ll vote republican and you know there are conservative families that no matter what the politics had to do with they’re just they’re from you know god-fearing families they came here and they’re good people and they’re choosing to vote on the conservative side of the aisle and i i gotta believe there’s people on the democrats side saying oops like what are we doing and so therefore as you said their policies are working against them uh future voters are non-existent you know in in gay marriages Because they’re not happening. They’re not able to reproduce. Well, OK, well, that policy isn’t going to work long term. You might want to think that through. But yeah, you’re right. You’re 100 percent right.
SPEAKER 02 :
And Bob, really quick, jump back over to pre-born. I did the first spot for them in conversation we had with them. But you’re just right a moment ago, too. You know, we we don’t want a lack of families because of abortion, especially if the Democrats are doing this because of other reasons. Great. But abortion is the one thing that we do want to stop.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and we really do. And it doesn’t matter whether somebody is a Republican or a Democrat, the baby growing inside of them is made in the image and likeness of God, and they need to be protected. And we need to encourage that mother to let that baby live. Well, that’s what pre-born does. The best way to convince a mom not to get an abortion is to let her see an ultrasound image of her baby. Very rare that women still go through with an abortion if they see an ultrasound image of their baby. And that’s where Preborn comes in because Preborn is the main pro-life group that supplies ultrasound images in pro-life centers all across the country. Problem is, folks, that the demand is just higher than the supply. And so there’s a lot of pro-life centers that don’t even have an ultrasound machine in them. And the ones that do have them, it takes money to operate them. So we’re asking everybody in the audience right now to partner with Preborn. Basically pay for ultrasound images. It’s really that simple, okay? Maybe you’ve done this already. Will you give to Preborn again? $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life. So pray about how many babies’ lives you’ll save. Take $28 times fill in the blank. And whatever that number is, would you give that to Preborn right now? Plain and simple. Here’s how you give. You can go over the phone. They answer the phones 24-7, so call 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. Or just go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. And you can give right there. And don’t forget, 100% of your gift goes to fund ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. That’s all covered by private donors. So CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. And while you’re there, Neil, we want to check out SunPowerLED too and find out what they can do for you.
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SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Appreciate that guys very much. And yeah, please give to our sponsors. So it makes us happen on a weekly basis. And I hear from a lot of you that actually not only give to pre-born, but use the devices, the SunPower devices as well. And we appreciate that greatly. All right. I’ve got about a minute left here, guys. Bob, 30 seconds. Should the GOP give in on anything when it comes to reopening government?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, no. They got to stick to their guns in this and they need to get everybody on the same page and making it very simple. Mike Johnson’s trying to do a good job with this with side by side. Look, here’s what the Democrats are asking for and demanding and whatever. So make it clear. Sell the American public on the fact that the Democrats really are trying to provide taxpayer funded health care for illegal aliens, not all illegal aliens, but for millions of them. Make that clear.
SPEAKER 02 :
Neil, your, your 30 seconds. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree with Bob and no, they should not budge. Just hold their ground. Uh, they’re on the high ground there. They have, they control both houses of Congress. They’ve got the presidency. And they’re actually in the driver’s seat. They’re the ones who get to call the shots, make the Democrats eventually concede.
SPEAKER 02 :
And by the way, I can’t disagree with anything you guys are saying. I’m right in line with you guys. Don’t give in on anything. Hold the line. I don’t care if this thing goes 14, 16, 20 days. I mean, at the end of the day, frankly, most people don’t notice any difference right now in their daily lives. So the reality is you just shut it down forever for all I care. We’ll talk about that maybe a little bit in the future, depending on how long this thing goes. But folks, again… National Crawford Roundtable, this is the first half. I’m your host, John Rush, Denver, Colorado. My show is Rush to Reason, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show, and Neil Boron from Neil Boron Live, Buffalo, New York. Second half is next.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
All right, second half, National Crawford Roundtable. And again, myself, John Rush, Denver, Colorado, Rush to Reason, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, Bob Duco Show, and Neil Boron, Buffalo, New York, Neil Boron Live. Okay, now this one is going to get maybe a little bit more dicey. Interesting to see what you guys’ thoughts are And there’s lots going on in regards to, you know, the White House, Trump, the administration, sending troops, National Guard troops, to different cities to quote-unquote stem violence and really sort of get these cities back on track, if you would. And there’s judges now that are blocking some of this. Some of this has already taken place in some areas. And by the way, with really solid, positive results. Now, question I have, I’ll start with you, Bob. Is this the proper role of government?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. Even though I know as a libertarian you might say no, but here’s the thing. If you have lawlessness in a particular town, all right, and you’re allowing criminals to run roughshod over the community there and the Democrat leaders refuse to do anything about it, Then, yeah, I think the federal government says, you know what, then if you’re not going to enforce the law, we are. And I just what what if you had I mean, I guess we could take an exaggerated level of this. What if you had some small town somewhere? where it was totally a small corrupt town, almost like you see in some of these movies sometimes about a Wild West town where you have the corrupt sheriff. But if you have a town and the sheriff just decides, we’re just going to run a criminal enterprise out of this county and it’s a small enough county and so be it. There’s no way in the world that the higher governing authorities are going to go, well, you know, we believe in autonomy of local government. There comes a point where it’s like you are allowing lawbreakers to run and rule the city, and it’s costing other people’s lives. So yeah, that is a place where I think that there’s a justifiable place for the federal government to step in and say, if you’re not going to enforce the laws, then we’re going to have to come in and enforce them for you, and it’s going to save the lives of the people in your own community. And can I just say to people like the African-American mayor of Chicago and so many other of these Democrat mayors, Most of the lives that the Trump administration are saving are African-American lives in these inner cities. So whether it’s going after – and ICE tends to target predominantly high-crime communities. Well, guess what? High-crime communities are disproportionately black. So here’s Trump willing to spend political equity and stick his neck out and be a lightning rod for what? To save the lives of African-American citizens in these inner city communities from lawlessness. So I find it so ironic that Democrats are calling him a fascist and black Democrat mayors are calling him a fascist when he’s trying to save black lives that are supposed to matter.
SPEAKER 02 :
I want to add some things to what you just said, Bob. By the way, I agree with you. I tend to be one of those where let states and states’ rights and even cities to a point have their own ability to run themselves and so on. I’m not a micromanager by any means. I don’t think the federal government should be either. Right. I look at this and I’ll even add one more layer to what you’re saying. This is defeating Marxism because what these cities do when they allow this lawlessness to happen is this is the playbook for Marxism. This is exactly what the Marxist movement wants to have happen. Let’s create chaos. Let’s make people dependent upon government. Let’s get rid of God. Let’s make so much disruption that people have no choice but to look to us for solving their problems. And by the way, no, folks, the federal government coming in is not solving the problems in the way a Marxist would say. It’s actually eliminating the problem altogether and allowing people to live more freely, which is what our country is all about. The other side of it is, no, let’s keep people all huddled up. Let’s let’s round them up, if you would, quote unquote. Let’s keep them close together. We can manage them better. It’s by the way, we could get into long conversations about why I believe they like to reintroduce wolves and things like that, like they’ve done in Colorado, because the more people are afraid to go into the wilderness, the more they stay close to home. And that’s how a government, you know, that’s how the Marxist system works. You can control people better that way. But Neil, I want to get your thoughts on this before we go to SunPowerLED.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I fundamentally agree with just about everything you guys have said. However, I’ll throw this out there, and I’m not just trying to be dogmatic, but I’m all for going after lawlessness, particularly when local authorities seem to be unable to control it. I agree 100%. It’s part of a Marxist playbook. We need civil unrest. We need disorder to be able to push our agenda. Don’t worry, government’s going to save you, blah, blah, blah. Well, government isn’t saving anybody. Now that the Trump administration’s in power, they’re saying, look, we’ll use the National Guard troops if we need to. So a federal judge in Oregon blocks the ability of Trump to do that. Trump does the end around, right? So he brings in troops from California, possibility of bringing some in from Texas, I guess. And the federal judge is like, wait, are you circumventing my order? Is that what’s going on right now? Okay, so let me just say this. Yeah, okay, but that represents lawlessness. And I’m not 100% sure that the best thing- No, it’s just the game that they’re playing.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I will throw this out. This is, in my opinion, these are judges that, in my opinion, don’t have the authority to really even do what they’re doing. That’s another conversation probably in and of itself that we could have on a future podcast. There’s a bunch of these what I call rogue judges that feel like they’ve got way more power than they really do. There is nothing illegal about what Trump’s doing in Bob’s case, talking about this civil unrest that goes on in a lot of these cities. There is nothing illegal about deploying the National Guard to clean those cities up. Not one thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, can he use the U.S. Army, for instance? Can he order the Marines?
SPEAKER 02 :
No, he can use the National Guard. He can’t use federal forces, quote unquote, but National Guard is not. And there’s two different ways National Guard is deployed, two different orders that can be done, some from the state level, some from the federal level. He’s well within his right to deploy them on the federal level.
SPEAKER 03 :
If it’s perceived as an emergency. That’s right. I would argue a bunch of citizens dying in lawlessness and criminals being allowed to run the streets like crazy becomes an emergency.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. And one thing I wanted to add too, and this is really key, which I don’t think this judge, again, I don’t really feel like this judge’s ruling is correct. I’m not an attorney, so probably out of my wheelhouse to even comment on this. But keep in mind too, Bob, one other thing that we need to add is that these are troops being deployed to protect federal buildings and ice and so on. So it’s not necessarily even, I know we said go and clean up the cities. And yes, in a lot of ways, that’s what happens. But You know, the key word here of what Trump is really saying is, no, we’re sending in federal troops to protect the federal property that we have. And in that case, there’s nothing illegal about what we’re doing. And he’s correct, by the way, Bob.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And by the way, that’s an important point that you make, OK, that the lawlessness happening. This lawlessness right now is being driven by the anti-ICE rhetoric and protesters in Antifa. And so they are targeting specifically ICE facilities, ICE officers. Look at what happened to the ICE agents in Portland, OK, where you have a mob, an angry mob surrounding them, not letting them leave, kicking their vehicles. And by the way, the chief of patrol, the internal memo shows the chief of patrol gave an order saying don’t respond to a cyst. Law enforcement doesn’t respond to law enforcement in distress.
SPEAKER 02 :
And these guys were on their way and really disgruntled at the fact that that order went out, by the way. So don’t blame this on those guys, by the way. This is from leadership.
SPEAKER 03 :
The guys on the ground, they were upset. Your average rank-and-file cop wants to help another rank-and-file cop, even if they’re a federalized agent. But no, this is this is first protecting federal property. It really is. You have the right to do that. We’re not Trump isn’t sending ICE agents in there to give speeding tickets to people driving down the road. All right. No, it’s protecting federal facilities. But why are protecting federal facilities? If you see somebody in the commission of a crime. All right. Then you step in and you stop that. You arrest those people. So I’m totally for this. There’s nothing illegal about it at all.
SPEAKER 02 :
Neal, your thoughts on that? Again, adding that other layer that, again, even NewsMeet, it doesn’t talk about enough of the layer I just mentioned. And frankly, this is what I think the judge is missing as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think fundamentally, I’m happy that he’s going into Oregon with the National Guard from California or Texas or wherever. And if that involves circumventing a federal judge’s order, well, so be it if you feel you can justify it. But fundamentally, I think that perception is reality for some people. And if they feel like Donald Trump is a renegade, like that he’s the, uh, you know, the lawless cop in his, in his little town running his little kingdom, that if they feel like Donald Trump himself is not paying attention to the laws of the United States of America or the constitution, which he gets accused of all the time. And I think people are usually almost a hundred percent of the time wrong. Um, OK, but we are coming up to the midterm elections. I think he needs to remain strong on ending crime and doing whatever we possibly can to get people to enforce the laws that are on the books. And when municipalities are not paying attention to the laws that are on the books, they’re allowing gangs and gang members and others to run rampant in a city, well then, okay, get in there and make a difference. But without, I mean, he needs to be very careful to make sure that he’s not saying, I don’t care what the law says, I’ll do whatever we want. Because that’s exactly what Democrats are saying when they say, hey, the Supreme Court has just issued a ruling. Well, we don’t care. They’re not legitimate. They don’t know what they’re talking about. So we’ll just do whatever we want because the Supreme Court doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Well, we can’t have the same attitude is all I’m saying. And I hope that Donald Trump will toe that line.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, so I’m going to leave this to Neil. So adding another layer to this and different thoughts going on and even my own. And I think I know where I stand on this. I think you guys are probably going to know where I stand on this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Let me just say no before you begin, but go ahead. Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
Blowing up cartel boats as they’re coming, you know, close to the U.S. soil. What are your thoughts on that one, Neil?
SPEAKER 04 :
no uh what i okay so you got a cartel but you think it’s a cartel boat you think that these people are criminals and you think they’re part of a gang and you think they’re carrying drugs and you think they’re headed to the united states but are we 100 sure so well let’s just like so far they found all sorts of drugs in the water after it was blown up so i think that one was pretty well confirmed that it was good oh good but has anyone in u.s history ever done that before no okay donald trump is so He likes to rattle the sabers saying, you know, I’m in charge and you won’t you won’t ever try to bring something that’s going to harm the American people. And we should be grateful that we have a president that wants to protect us from all the fentanyl and everything that could kill 100,000 people. I’m on board with that part. But the idea of just shooting them from the sky, just blowing them up and kind of making light of it. I hope they know exactly what they’re doing because it would be tremendously tragic. What if somebody made a mistake on something like that? There is no due process involved in a situation like that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bob, your thoughts? Well, I’m going to disagree with Neil. Oh, okay. Yeah, let’s shoot people out of the sky. All right. Yeah. You know what? I’ll tell you why. Because when you have drugs flooding into this country, and that is a way that they’re flooding into the country, and we’ve already seen that boats that have been shot out of the water like this have, in fact, been carrying boatloads of cocaine and fentanyl and things like that. Here’s an idea. If you’re going to be stupid enough – to load up a bunch of, oh, I don’t know, cooking supplies, okay, on a boat for a pleasure trip and go racing toward the United States, okay, with a bunch of boxes of stuff. No, you’re taking a stupid risk, right? Guess what? If the president of the United States is standing there in Secret Service and you go charging toward the president and people are yelling, stop, stop, and you go charging at him anyway and start reaching in your pocket for something, you know something? You’re going to get shot. Secret Service is going to shoot you. And it’s like, well, I was just reaching for a pen so he could sign an autograph. OK, no, chances are that person was attacking the president. And so if you’re stupid enough to go charging after the United States in a speedboat with a whole bunch of cargo that nobody knows what it is and you’re refusing orders to stop, then, yeah, when this is a regular thing happening in the United States, you take him out. I’m going to push back on you, Bubba. Here we go. All right. Take your best shot, pal. Okay. John’s just going to join me, okay? I got the popcorn out. We’re just getting up on you, Neil.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I’m going to approach this from a libertarian angle. He’s going to agree with me. Oh, here we go. That’s pretty manipulative, but go ahead. Okay. No, let me just add this because, hey, we live in a world where anything can happen, right? Yeah. Well, number one, if you know they’re out there, you know they’re headed to the United States, arrest them when they get here. Like, just be waiting for them. Hey, guys, how you doing? We saw you out there, and now you’re here, and now you’re all under arrest, and we’re taking your drugs. Thank you very much. We kind of could do that. I think we could do that. Well, of course.
SPEAKER 02 :
The water is a deterrent. Hang on.
SPEAKER 04 :
I had two points. We know what Hamas does, right? They hide behind women and children. Put the women and children up front so you can’t shoot us. You can’t blow us up. So let’s just say that these gangs start putting innocent people on the boat, children, families, women, whatever. And now they got them on the boat. We just blow them all up because they’re bringing drugs and people have been, you know, accosted and put on this boat. Now we’re killing, for sure, innocent people that have no intention of bringing drugs over. They were taken hostage. They’re part of the whole scenario. So we still blow them up.
SPEAKER 03 :
That just shows how evil they are. Those innocent civilians’ deaths are on their – it’s on their shoulders. Just like with Hamas, the answer isn’t to say, well, then I guess we won’t take out the Hamas missile silos because they put them in residential neighborhoods. No, unfortunately – I don’t like collateral damage. That sounds like a pretty cold-hearted thing, but that’s a reality of war. All right. And if Hamas is so despicable that they’re going to use civilians as human shields and launch their missiles from residential neighborhoods, unfortunately, civilians are going to get killed. But that’s on Hamas. The answer isn’t to say, well, then, OK, then I guess human shields work. And I don’t think we should let drug cartels and dealers and smugglers think, you know, civilians work. Human shields work.
SPEAKER 04 :
Would it be wise for him to get congressional approval because you use the word war? And I don’t think that Donald Trump can declare war on anybody by himself.
SPEAKER 02 :
Meaning he’s got the authority to do that. Am I right, Bob?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, this is in fact a terrorism kind of thing. And so, yeah, he does have the responsibility and the authority to protect the people of the United States, okay, from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And so this isn’t an official declaration of war on a particular nation, but this is targeting individual terrorists and criminals who are attempting to kill American citizens. All right, think of it this way. What if… What if instead of cocaine and fentanyl over here, what if they had a dirty bomb, a dirty nuclear bomb, and they were speeding toward the United States? And we had good reason to believe that there was, as Neil, as you said earlier, we think it’s a nuclear bomb, but technically we can’t confirm it. But we do know that when we’ve shot them out of the water before, they did have dirty nuclear bombs on there. And so there’s a good reason to believe, there’s probable cause to believe this is nuclear. Do we say, well, unless I have 100% confirmation, let’s just go ahead and let them make it to land, and maybe we’ll be able to arrest them, and maybe we won’t.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I want to add another layer to this, too, because the other thing you have to look at with all of this, Neil, is the way they’re doing this. And this kind of goes back to Bob’s point. I mean, the reality is these are not pleasure boats. These are not yachts. These are like converted cigarette boats that the average person really doesn’t even own. And these guys are going in international waters from – They can track them. They’re coming out of South America. They’re running up around the coast. They’re headed to the United States of America. I mean, I’m sorry, Neil, but at the end of the day, you pretty much know what they’re doing because the average person isn’t going to do what these guys are doing. It’s one of the ways they’ve got to actually run drugs in the United States of America. And I know I’m typically that libertarian that would say, yeah, we need due process. We need this. We need that. You know, not when these guys knowingly are bringing drugs in the United States of America that have the opportunity, by the way, to kill. And what you just said a little bit ago, Neil, is correct. Hundreds of thousands of Americans, at the end of the day, blow them out of the water. I’m fine with that.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s walking and quacking like a duck.
SPEAKER 04 :
So if a member of one of the South American drug cartels happens to get across the border illegally, as soon as he steps foot on American soil, we just shoot him? Because he’s here.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings any. In fact, my feeling on this, and I’ve been saying this for years, why we’ve allowed this drug trafficking end of things, and we know who a lot of these people are, why we’ve allowed them to get by with the things that they get by with, I think Trump is very well right in claiming these folks as terrorist organizations, which changes the law around even the due process end of things. Like it or not, those are the laws that we have. And we can go back on that one all the way back to the Patriot Act and so on. And no, I’m not a big fan of some of that. But in this particular case, you’ve got these guys designated as terrorists, which I believe, by the way, they are. And keep in mind, these cartels, they are out for blood. They’re even now kidnapping Americans on Mexican soil and so on to try to get back at the Trump administration. So at the end of the day, this is an all out war and these guys need to be stopped. I’ve never understood why. I mean, I know Mexico is corrupt. I know their government is corrupt, but why they’ve allowed these cartels to get as big And I’ll just tell you straight up, the biggest reason they’re as big as they are today is because no one like Trump ever came along and put them in their place. That’s the biggest reason.
SPEAKER 03 :
By the way, a second cousin to this debate is the capital punishment debate. All right. Yes, you can have people on death row that are actually innocent and slip through the system and end up getting killed anyway. All right. I understand that. That’s tragic. We try to stop that from happening. But for the most part, the death penalty is a deterrent. It lets people know, man, if I do this, if I kill this cop, I’m going to get killed myself. All right. And so if it can function as a deterrent, Yes. And in the same way, I want to send a message to anybody thinking about driving a speedboat to the United States with a bunch of fentanyl and cocaine that can kill hundreds of thousands of people. Don’t do it because a missile may just take you out of the water.
SPEAKER 02 :
I want to make sure really quick that I’m clear on this. These are not like pleasure craft. This is not, you know, your guy on a sailboat and his wife and kids that are coming from South America back up to the U.S. By the way, those are all charted and lined out and they get approval to do so. Everybody knows where they’re at and so on. I mean, it’s not that difficult, Neil, to figure out where these guys are coming from and who they are. That’s my point.
SPEAKER 04 :
OK, but could the pleasure craft be mule boats? I mean, we don’t really know until you check it out. But if you just blow them out of the water, then.
SPEAKER 02 :
hopefully you’re right and god willing you’re not wrong well in any case keep in mind and this is out of the water they’re blowing out of the water boats that fit the absolute profile the normal profile of a drug running boat that’s what i was going to say those are the ones i mean the reality you know neil is these are boats that are and i know a little bit about the drug world from you know a knowing some people that have been in that end of things and i’m don’t get me started i can go down all sorts and your weekend life yeah my weekend life yeah exactly so reality is these are highly modified vessels that are able to carry a lot of drugs and do things that you wouldn’t normally be able to do in a typical boat of that fashion and trust me The surveillance on these guys, I’m sure, is huge. Now, I don’t know that I have an answer back to you, Neil, on, OK, why don’t we just wait for them to land and then we’ll take care of it there? Keep in mind that in international waters, Trump’s got a little different. Let me say it this way. He’s got more leeway in international waters to take care of these guys than he does when they land on our soil.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, all right. But nevertheless, these are people made in the image of God. I’m not trying to get all spiritual here. I’m just saying they’re also human beings.
SPEAKER 02 :
They’re meeting their maker, so, you know, all good.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Except Jesus. If you’re going to drive a speedboat here, you better accept Jesus because you may see him any second. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Two things really quick. I know that we’re short on time, but super quick. Yeah. Again, the midterms are coming. And I don’t know that the vast majority of the American people are going to say shoot first, ask questions when you’re cleaning up the debris. Like, I don’t think that they’re really going to support that overall. And that could cost Trump in the elections.
SPEAKER 03 :
Secondarily, I don’t think actually real quick. It’s not shoot first, ask questions later. It’s ask questions first. Like, does this boat fit the profile? Is everything about it exactly like I get it, but you could ask first and then the order is given. but you could be wrong. So anyway, I mean, you’re not a hundred percent. Jeff penalty could be wrong with some people too.
SPEAKER 02 :
Unfortunately, you guys are tight on time. Neil, give us a, give us a little, a little, a little blurb on some power led, if you would.
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SPEAKER 02 :
Great, guys. I appreciate it. Wrapping things up today for the National Crawford Roundtable. Again, I’ve been your host, John Rush, Denver, Colorado. My show, Rush to Reason. Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan. Bob Duco Show. And of course, Neil Boron, Buffalo, New York. Neil Boron Live. Guys, thank you so much. I know it’s been a lively conversation. We’ll have more next week as well. Appreciate you guys greatly. Again, guys, thanks for listening. National Crawford Roundtable.
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