In this episode, Scott welcomes Travis Peacock, the owner of Airgun Outdoors, for a detailed discussion on the modern airgun industry. Travis shares his journey from IT to airguns, highlighting the community-driven events he hosts and the evolving airgun technology. Learn about the legal uses of airguns in Colorado, their applications for small game hunting, and the technological advancements that make airguns a versatile option for shooters of all ages.
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Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado, Colorado’s premier outdoor radio show heard every Saturday afternoon on KLZ 560 with insights on hunting, fishing, archery, guns, and ammo from Colorado’s top outfitters featuring the industry’s leading experts on how to enhance your experience in the great outdoors. Now, here’s your host, Scott Watley.
SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado. Thank you so much for joining us today. Hey, we’ve got a great show in store for you. Just a quick reminder now, if you miss our live show on Saturdays, you can catch us on Sundays at 8 in the morning, 8 at night, then the following Thursday from 9 to 10 a.m. So we’re actually on four times a week here with Sportsman of Colorado, and hopefully one of those times will work out for you. And, of course, you can get our podcast wherever you get yours. Well, it’s been a little bit since this gentleman has been with us, and that’s been 1,000% my fault. But Travis Peacock, he is the owner of Airgun Outdoors in Parker. Their number is 720-603-3099. It’s airgunoutdoors.com. And Travis and I met several years ago, and I tell you, got into the airgun space finally and i’m telling you it’s a blast so before i go any further proper introduction travis peacock how are you sir hey doing well scott how are you good to see you and we’re coming to you live from the world headquarters here of aragon we stopped by and just said hey let’s just do the show here at your store so uh we’re doing that today so if you you hear a phone ring or a doorbell go off here hey we are in the showroom here They are located, by the way, at 12543 North State Highway 86, right? 83, I’m sorry, yeah. And really, it’s Parker Road, okay, not to confuse anything, okay? And so, hey, pretty easy to find and all. And once again, if you have not looked at air guns in a while, this is a must stop. You must come over and look. So, Travis, first of all, it has been a while since you’ve been on. Let’s tell folks a little bit about yourself. And everybody thinks of a gun store, but needless to say, very few have thought about opening an air gun store. So how’d this all come about?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, thanks for having me on, Scott. You bet. So I opened a store about four years ago. I’m a retired IT consultant, so this was my fun job. I’ve always been involved with outdoors air guns for about the last 20 years. Like these type of air guns, not… You know, most people think of air guns. They think of the stuff we grew up with, you know, King in the Yard and stuff. Benjamin Crossman, .22 caliber, pump it ten times. Right. Yeah, totally different world as you know now. But, yeah, it’s just – it was – too early to really retire. So I wanted to do something and something I enjoyed this time. So that’s why I opened the store and it’s been great. I’ve met so many great people. And my favorite part of the job is sharing the hobby with people. Because as you know, 90% of the people that are not familiar with these guns, they just, they have no idea what they are. You know, as you know, they’re outstanding accuracy. They’re quiet. And in my shop, I go from 17 to 50 caliber. Wow. So, yeah, it’s quite a wide range.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I guess with like anything, you know, if you get into something, you know, whether it’s just shooting maybe at a range or you get into archery, you know, there’s kind of a great community in each one of these sectors. And there is an air gun community here in the area.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and that’s something I’m trying to grow a little bit. Every first Saturday of the month I have a thing called Good Morning Airguns where I bring in coffee and donuts and local airgun guys come in or even just people that are interested in getting more information and checking things out. So the first Saturday of every month at 9 a.m., there’s a group that get together and we sit and eat donuts and drink coffee and BS about air guns.
SPEAKER 06 :
What a great way to start a Saturday. Exactly.
SPEAKER 12 :
Guns, donuts, and coffee.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re all good. You know, you mentioned with kids and things. I just want to kind of start there because sometimes you’ll see things where somebody puts them on with a kid shooting, you know. 20 12 gauge shotgun it’s just too much for them and the kids scared everybody thinks it’s funny but we both know it’s not the right thing to do for kids this is something that hey you know you live kind of maybe with neighbors around different things like that and you want to get your kid into shooting and teach them some safety practices how to shoot accuracy and all Man, what a great way to start with air guns.
SPEAKER 12 :
Definitely. And I have a lot of customers that once they come in and purchase a gun, then they realize, hey, this is the perfect avenue to get my kids and my whole family shooting. No recoil. Next to no noise. They’re extremely quiet. A lot of times the impact of what you’re shooting is louder than the shot. I’ve had tons of kids come in and they’re so excited because dad let me shoot by, you know, his air gun. And now they’re like, Hey, when I get a little older, can I get one? And, you know, so it’s, yeah, I love that part. It’s, you know, keeping kids in the outdoors or getting them started. And, you know, um, yeah, we’ve all seen the videos online where somebody throws a, you know, a 12 gauge in a 10 year old’s hand and they, they, after they shoot it, they don’t want to shoot anymore. So we don’t want that. We want kids to love the outdoors. Right.
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Once again, Travis Peacock is with us. It’s Airgun Outdoors. And as I mentioned, they’re located at 12543 Legal Address, North State Highway 83. But it’s really just right off Parker Road here. What’s this road? Pine Lane. Pine Lane. Yeah, right here in Parker. All right. Let’s kind of talk about, I mean, man, we live in an area where you talk about coyotes are a problem, you know. A lot of rabbits eating people’s gardens, different things. And, hey, some people deal with them in some ways. Some people deal with them in others. And air guns work well. Exactly. So let’s talk about what’s legal because there may be some people out there, you know, what is legal in the state of Colorado as we speak?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, first and foremost, you know, always check your regulations, make sure seasons and whatnot. But in Colorado, you can use air guns for small game. You can use air guns for fall turkey and for fur bears, so coyotes, things like that. Not big game as of yet, but hopefully soon it’s… It’s something that… Because there are some states that have that legal. Oh, yeah. I believe there’s 29 states currently where big game is legal with air guns. And, you know, it’s… As far as a tool for, you know, like prairie dogs, things like that, I have a ton of customers that are utilizing them out on the ranches for prairie dogs. And… Um, either in, you know, some smaller horse properties where, because they can’t, you know, the number one, they don’t want to poison. Um, and number two, they can’t shoot anything large there. Sure. So like I said, I can go all the way down to 17 caliber if you have to worry about what’s around and, uh, With that, you can dial it back, but the accuracy is crazy. I mean, I was telling you, we shoot flies at like 30, 40 yards with these. It’s like literally. For testing and things like that, they work great. we’ve had customers that had a mouse problem. So set them up with an air gun and a thermal scope and they shot 450 mice. So after that, they had no more problems with mice in their house. News travel.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
And on top of that, you know, just taking care of the problem is it’s a lot of fun. Yeah. So if you’ve never shot a mouse with a thermal air gun or, you know, an air gun with a thermal scope on it, it’s, Yeah, you’d be hard-pressed to find more fun than that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. All right, we’re here at the store, as I mentioned, when we started, so I’m just going to turn here on the wall, and I wish we had a podcast segment with video where you could see what we’re talking about. But these look extremely cool. I mean, these guns are unbelievable. I want to talk about just some of the features on one. And you can even take the one that I’ve got from you. You know, because there’s a power selection there. Kind of walk us through. what one is kind of made like today.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sure. And I can actually, if you want, what might be best is my top selling gun is from a manufacturer in Sweden called FX Airguns. And this one is the FX Impact M4. Cool thing about this gun is you can change calibers. You can change configuration, turn it into a compact all the way up to what they call the sniper edition, which is just a longer barrel, larger bottle. So more shots, more power. And then that platform, you can go anywhere from 177 up to 357. So you buy a barrel kit and a magazine for subsequent barrel or calibers that you want. And in two minutes, you’ve got a completely different setup then. wow and then the the power gauge that’s like usually like a one to seven or something like that yeah it depends on the gun but yeah some of them are one to seven one to sixteen one to twenty three so what happens is that’s actually um you’re adjusting the hammer spring preload uh so you know you have to think of an air gun that’s pretty much a mechanical device there’s you know regulators and then a hammer hammer hits the valve uh and then lets air out goes through the transfer port out the barrel So with the dial, the adjuster that you’re talking about, what you’re doing is you’re adjusting how much air is coming out. So you’re dictating the performance of the gun that way. And what’s really cool is it’s on the fly. So I have a lot of customers that are… Actually, the majority of my customers are firearm enthusiasts as well. And a lot of them reload. So what I tell them is think of reloading, but instead of… adjusting your grains, all you’re doing is dialing. So it’s the same thing, but you can do it on the fly.
SPEAKER 06 :
So if you’re sitting there, let’s say you’re just out planking and you wanted on two or three to give you more shots. Coyote runs across you out there and all of a sudden you turn it up and wham, right? Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
You just know your holdovers. Yeah. But I have a ton of people doing that. I have folks that have their guns set up to plink and then the next week they’re hog hunting in Texas. I have a lot of customers that hog hunt. Air guns are great because same thing with coyotes. They’re really quiet. So you can… you know you have a hog or a coyote that comes in take your shot and you’re not scaring everything you know within a mile away they in most cases have no idea sure and then you’ve got a gauge on the side to let you know how your pressure is doing correct yes um and most of the guns are regulated so what it does is takes that higher pressure regulates it down to a lower pressure and so then every shot’s consistent gotcha now
SPEAKER 06 :
You’ll see where the gauge goes up pretty high, but then most of them, do you put it about, because I think on mine it’s 250?
SPEAKER 12 :
It just depends on the model, the manufacturer, but most of the guns in here go up to 250 bar, which is 3625 PSI. All right.
SPEAKER 06 :
So you need a compressor, okay, which that is pretty easy. Look, Travis will tell you I’m the least mechanical guy in the world. Okay. I mean, if it says on and off, I’m good, but other than that, I need some instruction. Okay. But it was super easy to learn how to do. And so I’ll let you walk through the steps when you get one.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, no problem. And one of the biggest questions I get is, can my compressor at home fill this? And the answer is not even close. Most garage compressors go up to about 150 PSI. the compressors that i sell here um go up to 4500 psi right so it’s yeah definitely a difference in in pressure but uh um you can set so i have customers have multiple guns one gun may go to you know 230 bar another one to uh 250 bar another one all the way up to 300 bar so what’s nice is on the compressor you set the fill pressure and it has an auto stop feature so as it gets to that it shuts off you bleed off the line disconnect your gun you’re ready to go right so really i mean man you take it out of the it’s got a nice little carrying case uh or the option of the carrying case right carrying case and uh hey it’s real easy man just carry over your shoulder if you’re gonna go out and
SPEAKER 06 :
uh… do some shooting and uh… yep just hook it up the gun and like i say he pre-set mine to where it just shuts off at that two fifty and uh… it doesn’t take that long just a few minutes yeah just a few minutes and then also they’re ac dc so if you are out in the field you can just hook it onto your battery and
SPEAKER 12 :
And Phil from there, too. Wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
What are most people, for a break here, what are most people so surprised when they come in and they haven’t looked at guns in a while? I mean, you must just see jaws drop because when you walk in here, you would think you’re in anything but an air gun store, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, exactly. Yeah. I have people, they’re like, I can’t believe that this is, you know, these are air guns. Right. Um, you know, most of them are anticipating, you know, if you walk through a big box store and see like the break barrel air guns and that’s, I don’t carry anything like that. It’s all, it’s all high end, uh, um, high pressure pneumatic air guns.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Um, so yeah, they’re, they’ll walk in and like, wow. And then they, they hold them and, you know, check and, and they can see exactly, you know, they could feel the build quality and, um, and shoulder them and they’re like, wow, this is not what I expected.
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I’m telling you, as Travis said at the beginning, just so quiet, unbelievably accurate. If you’ve been thinking about one or you haven’t ever thought about one, highly recommend you come by and see Travis. Once again, it’s airgunoutdoors.com. The number is 720-603-3099. The address is 12543 North State Highway 83, just off Parker Road and Pine Lane. We’ve got to take a quick break. We’ll be back with more right after this.
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This is 560-KLZ, your home station.
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Welcome back to Sports From Colorado. Again, thank you so much for being with us. Just a quick reminder now, you miss our live show here on Saturdays. You can catch us twice on Sundays, 8 a.m., 8 p.m., and then the following Thursday from 9 to 10 a.m. So, hey, four times a week here on KLZ 560. And, of course, you can get our podcast anywhere you get yours. Well, it’s been a while since my good buddy Sergio Alcazar has been in studio with us, ALC Global Adventures. Good to see you, my friend.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good to see you. It’s always good to be here, and thank you so much for inviting me again.
SPEAKER 06 :
You bet. So what hunting here have you done in the past? I guess dove season kicked it off, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
Dove season here in Colorado was pretty good the first few weeks, and then I was down in Mexico just about two hours south of the Texas border just for white-wing doves, three, four days, and that was incredible. They have about 21 million birds in that area. That was the count, so plenty to shoot.
SPEAKER 06 :
Probably 20 million now that you were there. I tried.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, definitely. We put a little dent in it, a tiny one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, you take trips down there with people, correct?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, that’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Tell us about that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, we actually, a lot of people ask about Mexico for obvious reasons. And the number one outfitter that we hunt with there, he’s been there for close to 20 years. And he takes close to 700 clients a year down there for dove and duck and quail. And the nice thing is that you don’t fly into Mexico. You fly into Bronzeville, Texas. So very easy. You get there. They pick you up. And then you have about a two hour drive, two and a half hour drive to the lodge. And they provide everything for you. All you need to do is bring your clothes and they have laundry service, just like in Africa, places you’ve been. So it’s a very, very easy hunt. And, you know, it’s been safe. I mean, really, I mean, the border was the crossing of the border was 30 minutes to come back into the States. Now that with Trump, you know, everything he’s done in the border, I mean, it’s made it, in my opinion, safer. You know, for us hunters, for Americans, yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, at least you got a gun. Oh, yeah. You know, if something goes wrong, you got a gun.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right. So, you know, a lot of shells, too.
SPEAKER 06 :
So that always helps, you know. So what’s a trip like that run? Somebody’s listening and they say, hey, maybe we’ll do something.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, so they do six hunts in each trip, you know, three mornings, three afternoons for either duck or doves. Or you can make some wild quail as well. Okay. And the dove hunt is $27.50. All right. And that includes basically everything. The only thing you pay extra after that is $400 for tips for the whole staff. I’m talking about bird boys, cooks, everything. And your shells, which they run anywhere between $20 to $24 a box of 25, which is reasonable. So he makes it very easy for you just to pay your fee, and then all you need to do is shells and tips. And the guns are there. The bird boys are there. And the cooks are great. The accommodations, you know, they have a pool.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they got great guns, I’ve heard you say, too. They got great shotguns here.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, basically Benelli’s and Beretta’s, 20 gauges and 12 gauges, semi-automatics. And they have plenty of them. They always bring extra guns for you in case one, for whatever reason, jams or whatever. So it’s a great trip. And the weather, even in the winter, even when you go there in February, I mean, it’s cold in the morning, which is nice. You know, maybe 40s or, you know, maybe high 30s. And during the day, it goes up to like 65, 70. So it’s a great place to hunt ducks. We’re going back in February again, and it’s a great place to go.
SPEAKER 06 :
So when you go kind of dove season, about the same as here, kicks off somewhere around that first of September? Earlier, actually. That’s a nice thing. What’s your window of time for trips?
SPEAKER 11 :
For doves, actually, it’s at the beginning of August. Oh, wow. And then it ends about now, about a week ago, so middle of October. Because these are wide-wing doves, so they start migrating into Central America about now.
SPEAKER 06 :
Are they bigger than our normal doves?
SPEAKER 11 :
They are bigger, and they fly in a pattern that it’s a lot nicer to shoot. You know, I mean, it’s almost like pigeons but a little faster, and it’s a beautiful bird. So the shooting is really good, high shots, low shots. It’s not like the morning doves that are kind of like, you know, squirreling around and blowing the ground. No, these ones, it’s a lot of nice, nice shooting. You can really practice almost any shot you want when you are there. And then the dock season starts normally about now, maybe another week or so. probably beginning of November, and then runs into the late February. And the nice thing of that is that we shoot a lot of redheads, and 80% of the population of redheads winters there. So the ducks are there. There’s no question about it. And then we do those in the Laguna Madre, which is a saltwater lagoon towards the ocean. And then we have a lot of freshwater ponds for pintles, wigeons, all the three-teal, cinnamon-teal, and all that. And people that want to do a little mix, they can do quail hunts. And in my opinion, I was born and raised hunting quail in central Mexico. So I can tell you right now it’s probably one of the best places in the world to shoot quail, bobwhite quail. I mean, wild quail, 100%. And you normally can flush anywhere between 12 to 14 cobbies in two and a half hours. It’s crazy. It’s really good hunting. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, if you take some waterfowl over there, can you bring those back to have them mounted with taxidermists? Yeah. What’s the easiest? Get them done over there? Get them shipped here? You can.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. But to be honest with you, with the paperwork and then who you get in the border when you cross back into the state, sometimes you get officers that they are not very familiar with the rules, and that delays a whole group. so the outfitter does not encourage that so you go shoot them you take some great pictures they donate birds they cook for you and that’s about it they don’t really yeah want you to bring them because it could be a hassle you know so it’s not worth it yeah all right so that’s one thing under alc global adventures you can help take people on those trips what are some others you do We basically offer hunts anywhere in the world for any big game species you want, even some fishing. So if someone wants something in Africa, we have pretty much five, six, seven different outfitters down there. New Zealand, I mean, you name it, we have it. And one of the things we offer is that every outfitter that we send people to has been vetted before and checked. I have personally checked quite a few of them, but, I mean, obviously it’s impossible for me to be all over the world and checking all of them. So I have associated myself with Craig Boddington Endorse Outfitters, which… Greg Boddington has been in your show. Sure. And they specialize in that. I think it’s one of the only companies that I know that they do that. They don’t send people anywhere. What they do is they vet outfitters around the world. They go check them. And every year, you know, they basically check with their clients, be sure everything is good. If for some reason an outfitter fails, you know, the standards, they literally ask him to leave. So they pay a fee to be vetted and to be part of the Craig Bonington Endorsed Outfitters. And with them, I literally have a network of outfitters anywhere in the world that have been checked. they are basically first class. So that’s, that’s a nice thing. You can, we can customize a hunt anywhere you want.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You know, I think we’ve both been to places maybe early on in our hunting careers, especially where, and even later, sometimes you just hear of a place and you want to go to that region of the world or whatever. And it’s nothing like you thought it was going to be. And that’s such a bummer, you know, when communicate, maybe I didn’t ask the right questions and we’re going to go over that later here in the show, trying to help you not have these kinds of problems, but yeah, You always got to just make sure what’s important to you is communicated to find out what their answers are going to be right. Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, some of these hunts are very expensive and a lot of people save a lot of money for years. And then the last thing you want is to be in… the east part of Russia and find out that, you know, it’s a disappointing place to stay and their vehicles are terrible and the guns don’t work. And it’s happened to me. And, you know, I have vetted outfitters and I’m like, okay, well, I’m not coming back and I’m not sending anybody here. Thank you. I mean, it’s a risk. So you really want to be sure that these people are checked and that everything up to your standards. I mean, it’s a big risk and a lot of money. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Again, Sergio Alcázar is with us. It’s ALC Global Adventures. If you’ve got questions for Sergio, hey, give him a call, 303-921-3055. We’ve known each other many years now, and we 1,000%. endorse stand behind him so i tell you he’s a guy you can trust and uh will deliver you a good hunt um and with that says i had a guy that day was real mad because he went with an outfitter he didn’t see any he didn’t see one elk during muzzleloader season and he called and said what can i do i said well dude it’s hunting you know it’s not shooting i mean you never know i’ve been on some hunts with gods and didn’t see an animal and didn’t get to pull the trigger sometimes it happens like that right
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely. And I think that the way people have to approach this is, and you know, we’re hunters. So, I mean, when you go with an outfitter and you don’t see anything, but you know that the outfitter has done everything right. He’s telling you to quality properties. I mean, you’re seeing sign and sometimes the weather. I mean, they can’t control the weather. They can’t control these wild animals, you know, their patterns and things like that. But you get the idea if the outfitter has done their homework or not. And that’s where it could be disappointing. Or you’re like, well, you have to understand at the end of the day, it’s hunting. It’s not fenced. It’s free range. So there’s so much you can do to control these things.
SPEAKER 06 :
So what’s your favorite? Some people have asked me before, like, if you had to hunt one thing the rest of your life, what would that one thing be? First of all, that would be very hard to do because I love all the different things. But if you had to just…
SPEAKER 11 :
hunt one thing what would it be what’s your favorite well and for for me ducks yeah i love hunting ducks over decoys that’s probably one of my favorite things to do um and then for big game whitetails yeah i i have a passion for whitetail deer you know and and again maybe turkey’s a little underneath it’s hard to say right i mean it’s like no how can i pick but i think those will be my three yeah you’re three one three give me three not one yeah for sure
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, you’re listening to Sports from Colorado. Don’t go anywhere. When we come back in this break, Serge and I are going to go over some things to help people. When you are looking to book a hunt, what should you look for? How do you know who’s good, who’s not? If you go to a lot of shows around, I’ll tell you this right now. Now, we do some vetting. I just want to be careful how I say this. We do some vetting with our Mile High Hunt and Fish Expo. Once again, that’s going to be in March this year, and we’ll try to talk about that here before we get out of here today. But we do some vetting there because we’re just trying to deliver a different type show. But in most cases, anybody can buy a booth. Would you agree with that?
SPEAKER 01 :
Anybody can buy a booth.
SPEAKER 06 :
Anybody can buy a booth. Sometimes you have people work in the booth that really don’t have anything to do with that outfitter. They may be somewhere across the world, and it’s during their hunting season, and they may have some clients that will be there. with their booth they may just hire some people to be at their booth you really never know but anyway we’ll come back we’re going to try to help you out with some tips and uh hey it may be too late for this year but maybe it’ll help you in the future so Sergio Alcázar is with us ALC Global Adventures and we’ll be right back
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SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome back to Sports from Colorado. If you’re just joining us, Sergio Alcazar is with us. ALC Global Adventures, 303-921-3055. And if you’re just getting in the car, turn on the radio, and you missed our first segment, Sergio is someone that you can 100% trust to help you find a good hunt, hey, anywhere in the world. He’s got some outstanding connections, and even here, of course, locally in the States as well. And highly recommend you give him a call. If you are looking to book a hunt, I see a lot of things on social media where people are asking questions, and hey, we’ve got answers for you here on Sportsman of Colorado, and Sergio can help you. One of the things I see a lot is people asking about outfitters, or I read things where people I just saw one the other day where somebody said, hey, outfitter ripped them off here for first rifle, and trying to figure out if there was another outfitter that could take them hunting. And sometimes that’s hard to do most of the time because they’re booked if they’re a good outfitter. So the surgeon and I thought we’d go over some things. As he said, all the people that he has, he has personally vetted, or a guy like Craig Boddington, and, of course, I can’t vet even the ones that I do, and I don’t go near the places Sergio does. But, you know, we certainly trust each other’s references as well. And, Sergio, there’s a lot to go into here. But, man, I’m going to try to get through as much of this as we can here. But if you were just kind of starting out, what would be some things? Let’s take your top three or four things you would want to mention.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, some of the most important things to ask, in my opinion, is, first of all, lodging, because that could be a very important thing. You’re going to be there three, four, five, ten days, so you want to know what the conditions of your lodging is, how many bathrooms they have, believe it or not, a simple question like that. I went to an outfitter in Missouri with Chloe one time, and they gave us the suite in a prefab home. And it was our own room. You could barely walk. And there were 20 guys probably spread out in the room, in the house there, with two bathrooms. So accommodations, I think, are very important because that’s something that you’re going to really suffer or is going to make your home more enjoyable. The other one that is very important of course is the deposits. What happens with your deposit? Normally you have to put in 50% ahead of time and a lot of times you have to pay the other 50%, 60 days before you arrive. What happens if your flight is canceled? If your flight is delayed? If weather? or some contracts that these health feeders have, you know, acts of God. Okay. What does that mean exactly? Right. I mean, that’s like very general. So that’s probably some of the top things that I recommend. And of course, experience and referrals, how many, how many years they have been in the business, their guides, you know, I mean, are there guides, you know, like bedded guys that have been doing this for more than three, four or five years. I mean, those things are probably some of the top three that I would recommend first. Yep. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, here’s going to be a couple here, and we’ll always kind of talk about Colorado there a little bit, but a few things here we thought of together was what Colorado units are you licensed and permitted to guide in? I can’t get into names or anything, but I can tell you with our attorney, Kevin Flesch, and Kevin helps people that have wildlife violations as well, but he’s also been involved in some cases where there have been some outfitters that were hunting where they were not licensed to hunt in. or we’re hunting in the wrong units, and that can be a big problem for you. And when it comes down to the end of the day, you’re responsible, right, Sergio? I mean, you want to trust your guide, but you better know that guide to trust him where you’re hunting, and that’s why you want to ask, you know, are you licensed to hunt here? Is this where we’re good to go?
SPEAKER 11 :
That is correct. That is correct. And a lot of that, I think you can access the Colorado Outfitters Association and be sure that they’re licensed still up to date. They haven’t been fined or suspended. All those kind of things are important.
SPEAKER 06 :
And DORA is the Department of Regulatory Agency. They also, outfitters, have to be listed with them. Right. If you’re talking with an outfitter and they’re not listed with DORA, again, Department of Regulatory Agency, or maybe – and I know some – let me just say this. I know some outfitters that are good that are not part of the Colorado Outfitter Association. Hopefully that will change. But I’m telling you, just do some checking because as Sergio said, hey, these hunts are expensive. You’ve taken your time. You’ve booked this out. And you just want to know these answers. You know, and other things. Are they fully licensed and insured with the state of Colorado – How long have they been outfitting in this area? And that’s important. Not how long have they been outfitting, because you know what? If a guy moved here from Arkansas, been hunting whitetail, and now he’s guiding elk and never done, this is his first year, I would want to know that, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
You don’t want to have more experience than your guide, right? Hopefully, right? Exactly.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then what are the guides’ experience guiding on that property? And again, I’m being pretty detailed here because I had a hunt three years ago where I went on a horseback hunt. First time I’d ever done that and got there. Guides were from South Africa. The outfitter did some work in South Africa, so he was running short of guides. So he brought some guides over from South Africa. They’re hunting elk. For the first time, I mean, dude, didn’t know how to call, didn’t know how to do anything, and I’m just like, oh, my. So what are your guides’ experience guiding on the property I’m hunting? Hey, do the guides know CPR or first aid? Are they certified in any way, otherwise trained in any emergency response? Know where you’re going. Know that your guide is licensed there. Know that that tag that you have is there on X-Maps. Another great thing, just mentioned offhand, right? Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
I use that religiously, thanks to you, actually. And, yeah, it’s a very important tool. There’s no excuse anymore to get a ticket for not knowing where you are. I mean, that thing works with signal, with no signal. And it has all the tools you need to be in the proper place at the right time, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, then you want to get in, of course, what big game, if you’re hunting big game, what big game species do they offer? Elk, mule deer, bear, antelope, moose. What’s the typical success rate for your hunt? And how is success measured there? What’s the average shot distance? And here’s something I’ll say here. Be honest here. I’ve talked with a lot of outfitters and they say, oh, I talked to guys, you know, what’s your effective range and archery? They’ll say, oh, I can shoot, you know, 75 or 80 or a guy says I can shoot 40. They don’t want that effective range to change on the last day. that’s right okay or now he’s going to shoot 80 and he just said at the first of the hunt he could shoot 40 yeah so know your range know your gun i highly recommend shooting your gun when you get to wherever you’re going you may have done a lot of target practice here but if you’re flying especially wouldn’t you agree oh absolutely you want to shoot it when you get there and of course if you are uh borrowing the outfitter’s gun you want to be sure you you shoot that once or twice before you go out in the field and
SPEAKER 11 :
Most reputable of fears will actually want you to do that before they get you out on the field.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then, hey, if they offer archery, muzzleloader, or rifle hunts, do they maybe specialize in one more than another? Sergio said, how many hunters are going to be? In camp at one time, how many guys per hunter? I mean, all of these are just things that you don’t really think about. You’re excited. You see that maybe they have some good reviews. And then, I don’t know, when you see good reviews, what do you kind of, or is there any kind of hot points you look in reviews to help?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, a lot of times, the first thing I look for is, Hundreds of reviews, hopefully. The more reviews, the better. Because if they have 10, 5 reviews, well, you know, they could be all their bodies.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the last one was three years ago? That’s right. That’s weird.
SPEAKER 11 :
So you need to have a lot of reviews. That gives you a good, you know, gauge and a good average of what’s happening. And I think one of the best things you can do is worth a mouth. I mean… If you don’t go with a person like me that actually has bedded out fitters, then, you know, talk to your buddies and the friends of your friends. And if they’ve already been there, you know, I think that’s one of the best things that you can get as a reference. Yeah. You know, I mean, you have referred me to quite a few fitters that are excellent, and then I have sent them clients. And I trust your judgment. You trust mine. And that’s how I would suggest to go by. Sure. Because those reviews, you don’t know who put them in there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Fred Eichler, if you’re listening to the show, most of you probably know that name. Fred’s a good buddy. Yeah. I was asking him, matter of fact, we were at Cabela’s for an event. I think you were there that day. But I was talking with Fred and I said, how do you go about reviews? He goes, Scott, I want to talk to people that were not successful on their hunt. Because if they didn’t kill anything. and they rebook for next year because the outfitter, all the other stuff was great. And they know that outfitter worked hard. It just didn’t happen. He goes, then that’s who I want to talk to. You know, everybody’s going to say they were great if they kill something for the most part. Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
And that’s what we’re talking at the beginning of the show that, I mean, you can tell if the outfitter has done their homework properly and that that’s all they can do. There’s the things they can control. If they’re doing those and you can tell they did it, that’s a good outfitter. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sergio Alcazar is with us, if you’re just joining us. He’s with AOC Global Adventures. All right, a couple of things to touch on here real quick, logistics and accommodations. As Sergio talked about, hey, do you provide meals and lodging, or is that separate? Is everything undercover in one fee? What’s the typical lodging setup like? Is it a tent, cabin, lodge, whatever, just so you know. If you’re somebody that likes to have your own room, You need to express that there to find out because there’s nothing worse than going there. Dude, I had a guy one time on a fishing trip in Alaska, and we were on a boat on the water the whole time. This guy snored. Dude, so bad. I mean, honestly, I thought he was joking. We’re in a bunk bed, and I’m on the top bunk. I mean, there’s not eight inches above me to the ceiling of this boat. And this guy just, I mean, I can’t even imitate him on the radio. And I was like, what in the world? And I looked down there, and he was sound asleep. But I mean, all night, we didn’t sleep. People at other, and it was a pretty good-sized boat, people at the other end. there nobody could sleep yeah and i mean it was so i’m i’m asking are there any snores yeah that’s that could be a good question it was terrible um but uh seriously asking what about the lodging hey how do they handle the meat and the trophy care field dressing packing it out taxidermy prep things like that uh do you provide transportation during the hunt Whether that be horses, ATVs, trucks, or do hunters provide their own? Here’s one, too, and again, you’ve got to be honest with yourself. What physical conditioning level should I be in to hunt with you? Because, I mean, hey, as we age, some of us are not looking for the 13,000-mile climb, 13,000-foot climb up a mountain, you know?
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s another one that’s very important. Yeah, you don’t want to, you know, book an elk hunt and know that you’re going to be hiking, you know, five, six, seven miles a day and going uphill and downhill. I mean, some people are not in good condition, and that could ruin your hunt. So, I mean, and there are some outfitters that would specialize. If you are disabled, that’s very important, too. You know, do you have facilities, and can they accommodate someone with disabilities? So all of those things are very important, and a lot of times they’re not discussed. And then once you get there, it’s like, well, I cannot even go up to the blind or whatever. I mean, it’s important. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, we’ve got to take our last break real quick here on Sportsman of Colorado. Once again, Sergio Alcázar is with us, ALC Global Adventures. If you’re looking for a great hunt somewhere anywhere in the world, give Sergio a call, 303-921-3055. We’ll be right back.
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SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome back to Sports from Colorado. My name is Scott Watley. We are glad you’re with us. Hope everyone’s having a great day. Sergio Alcazar is with us, ALC Global Adventures. Once again, Sergio’s number, 303-921-3055. You’re just joining us. We’re going over some things to help you when choosing an outfitter. Don’t want you to get caught in a bind, getting ripped off. Hey, there’s a lot of great outfitters out there. But sometimes there’s some unscrupulous ones, and we want to help you out. to not find those and when you find them hey what to look for sergio said this right in his opening couple of comments all right deposit requirements now these things need to be written down all right and kevin flesh will tell you that as our attorney um don’t ask the guy well what happens to my deposit if i get sick oh call we’ll always we’re not going to keep your money we’ll always rebook if that’s not written down there what’s what’s in writing is what counts right
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I was going to say, you really want to book with an outfitter that has a good contract and read the contract. And if you have any issues with any of the points, you can always negotiate something with the outfitter. And if you agree on something else, as you said, have him write it down in there, sign it, and be sure you have something to back up what you guys discussed. Because, yes, you don’t want those kinds of surprises.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. As Sergio said again right at the beginning, how do you handle cancellations, rescheduling, or refunds? I like paying with a credit card because a credit card gives you a little more teeth. Some of them may charge you 3% or 4% or whatever to use a credit card. In my opinion, that’s still worth it. because then, you know, you can get with your credit card company, but I’m going to tell you what the credit card company is going to do. They’re going to ask you if you had a contract. They’re going to ask you what’s in writing. And, again, that’s another way to back yourself up there, you know, with paying with a credit card. If you pay them in cash or give them a cashier’s check or a check, I’m not saying you still can’t get it, but you may end up having to get an attorney. You never know.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, no, I always like to pay with a credit card, too. Plus, you get points, maybe, so that’s another bonus.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah, sure.
SPEAKER 11 :
Even that 1% or 2%, look at it, it’s like insurance against the possibility of a dispute down the road. Another thing that I think is very important that a lot of people don’t discuss is tips, even though tips are completely optional.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that’s a great point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Some outfitters, you know, when it gets time to do that, I actually had an opportunity. an issue with an outfitter in Canada when my client was giving a tip to the guide, you know, he was giving, you know, the hunt was about maybe $1,300 and he was giving less than 10%, which is about the norm, right? But it’s up to you. And the outfitter in front of the guide was telling the client, hey, you know, in the contract it says it’s 10%. And then the client was a little upset. He’s like, this is supposed to be on me, whatever I feel I should give. And we reviewed the contract, and the outfitter actually had in there a section for tips. he did mention to my client is in the contract but in the contract he put in there that he recommends 10 but he understand that some people cannot afford so it’s up to the client but he was actually trying to make the client feel bad that he was not doing a 10 tip so this is another thing to discuss and a lot of times now they’re putting it in writing so that’s another sticky point sometimes right and a lot of them i see i don’t know what i’ve seen some
SPEAKER 06 :
And, again, if you’re successful, the guy helps you pack out your animal, whatever. Nothing wrong with a 20% tip, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, no. But at the end, it’s a personal thing, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure, sure.
SPEAKER 11 :
Or just like in Mexico, what I was telling you. They make it easy on you. It’s $400, and that covers everybody. You don’t need to give a tip to the cook and this other person. That’s also sometimes something that works well for clients. Just give one tip to the outfitter, and he spreads it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, and then let him kind of divvy it up. Because you may have your chef, the kitchen staff, you may have the laundry person, you’ve got guides, skinners, different trackers, all kinds of things. And before you know it, you can spend a few thousand dollars right there.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s what I mean. So I think that’s another thing to discuss with outfitters ahead of time.
SPEAKER 06 :
When you ask for references and you’re going to call somebody, do you kind of go through what we’re talking about with them? Maybe a hunter that’s been with them? You kind of go through this with them?
SPEAKER 11 :
I normally, every time a hunter comes back from a trip, I make it a point to talk to them and basically just in general, get their opinion, how they felt about the hunt. And if there’s anything in there that I can provide for input to the outfitter, you know, I let them know, hey, you know what? the client didn’t like this or he loved this and things like that. So yeah, we always try to do that. It’s kind of like vetting it again and trying to check on them, be sure they’re still doing the right thing. But yes, absolutely. We always talk to clients after they’re on. Yeah, great.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, a couple more things here I want to mention. Once again, I think I said this before, but just to make sure you got it. What’s included in the price? Is your tag included in the price or do you have to get your own license, meals, lodging, guide, transportation, meat care? What is extra? Just say, hey, look, what is extra that is not covered in my price so there’s no surprises at the end? Especially here in Colorado or even Arizona, New Mexico, whatever. Hey, does that outfitter possibly help with the application process for tags and points and things like that? Because that can be confusing in different states, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, and some people actually use special companies, right, to help them apply for that. That’s another thing. But, yeah, that’s a good thing to ask the outfitters. And some of them, you know, you can buy a landowner voucher. And you also want to see, you know, that’s another way to get into a nice area. Ask those questions, too, because sometimes some outfitters here in Colorado that I have, if you don’t get the license through the drawing process, they have some landowner vouchers that you can buy. So that’s another option.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. All right, and then what happens if you don’t draw a tag? Now, this kind of gets back to how they – on your deposit and all. So what happens if you pay for the hunt, you know, you give them a deposit, whatever, and then you don’t draw the tag? Will that deposit – are you going to be fine if they keep your deposit and roll it over to the next year, or do you want your money back? Again, better be in writing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Better be in writing. Yes, absolutely, because that’s another sticky point that can happen. But most outfitters, they would actually roll your deposit over if you don’t. I have some outfitters that when you book the hunt, instead of asking for 50%, they ask you for maybe 10%. And then once you draw the tag, then you give the other 40%. That’s another way to do it.
SPEAKER 06 :
That makes sense for me, too.
SPEAKER 11 :
Helps the client.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, because if you draw it, you’re going to go.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right, yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it is going to get trickier to draw tags here in Colorado, man, the way all this point thing is going. I mean, it’s confusing now. It was a lot of people.
SPEAKER 11 :
Every year is confusing. You have to read the whole thing. And then every year I have to call them and I talk to them. And a lot of times, you know, it’s hard to find the right answers. One thing that I learned, too, is that when I have questions about certain regulations or things and I’m talking to someone in the Colorado Division of Wildlife, if they tell me that it should be this way, I actually write their name and the time I spoke with them. So if I’m ever in the field and someone’s going to give me a ticket for something, I say, no, I actually called this time and I talked to this person and that actually has helped me.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, because I’m being honest. I’ve asked two or three people the same question and gotten four different answers. That’s right.
SPEAKER 11 :
So all you can do is say, I did my homework, I called, and this is the answer I got. So, yes. Protect yourself.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. Well, Sergio, appreciate you coming in, man.
SPEAKER 11 :
It was a pleasure. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 06 :
It is ALC Global Adventures, 303-921-3055. Hey, if you’re looking for a great hunt, again, I promise you can trust Sergio. He’ll get you hooked up. And a lot of great places around the world to hunt, a lot of places here in Colorado to hunt. But Sergio’s got some great connections. We’ll be glad to help you. But hopefully some of these tips will help you as well. And, hey, tell your friends, listen to our podcast, and catch our show on Sundays, 8 to 9 p.m. a.m. and p.m. then once again the Thursday from 9 to 10 if you miss our show here on Saturday so thanks for being with us hope you have a great rest of your weekend and we’ll talk to you next week
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