Join the National Crawford Roundtable as Neil Boron, Bob Dutko, and John Rush dive into the latest controversies surrounding additions to the White House. Explore the heated debate over Trump’s proposed ballroom, the liberal outcry, and why private donors, not taxpayers, are footing the bill. Learn how historical precedents land on this discussion and what it means for future presidents.
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SPEAKER 04 :
Welcome to another week of the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast. My name is Neil Boron, host of Neil Boron Live in Buffalo, New York. Bob Duco is the host of The Bob Duco Show in Detroit, Michigan, and John Rush, host of Rush to Reason on KLZ in Denver. and 323 times we’ve gotten together to talk about stuff here on the round table these are things that affect our world they’re things that affect your lives and we share our perspective on them god willing from a biblical perspective and i can’t say that happens every single time but that’s our desire is to come at these issues in a way that would be pleasing to god that would give us insight about what god’s word says on these things It’s not always possible to do that because sometimes things are just a little out there. And one of the big issues in the news right now is the building of the Trump ballroom on addition kind of thing to the East Room of the White House or the East Wing of the White House. And it’s getting a lot of pushback from liberals. Apparently, Hillary Clinton is livid that Donald Trump is daring to put this ballroom on the east wing of the white house and i saw one post on facebook that said maybe she’s afraid they’re going to find bodies wow wow yeah savage exactly oh no don’t tear down that wall
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, exactly. Might be somebody in it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. What’s the deal? I mean, John, you got an opinion on this?
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, and I’m one of these where I take this probably a whole different approach than than most liberals and maybe even some on our side. I think there are times because I’ve been to some of the monuments, I’ve been to some of the things around D.C. and so on. And frankly, there’s a lot of them that, in my opinion, need a major change. to bring them up to the level of what happens in a lot of other foreign countries, by the way. There’s foreign countries that have, in some cases, better quote-unquote stuff than we do. And my opinion is that’s a travesty. It shouldn’t be that way. We should be setting the pace, if you would, on a worldwide basis. And I think that’s exactly what Donald Trump is trying to do with some of the things he’s changed around the White House, which, by the way, some of that, in my opinion, again, way overdue. He’s done this, by the way, all you lefties that are out there listening, because we do get emails and things from you, private donors. We’re not taking taxpayer dollars to do this. I think that’s really key. So at the end of the day, shut up and watch it get built.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, Trump’s paying for it out of his own pocket. It’s him and private donors that he knows. So the taxpayers aren’t paying a dime for this. And this is going to be used and appreciated by presidents, Democrat and Republican alike, for generations, okay? That’s right, decades.
SPEAKER 02 :
Decades down the road, they’ll still be using it, Bob.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, think about this for a second. Okay, first of all, whenever the White House, I don’t care if it’s a Democrat president, whenever they host dignitaries and they have to have some big gala or ball or whatever, you know what they have to do? They either have to rent a place off-site or they have to put up tents, believe it or not, actual big tents on the White House lawn. So, look, I think Rapid Response 47, which is kind of – it’s a Trump administration response. They put out some great stuff about what they call fake outrage over this. And here’s some basic facts, OK? In 1902 – President Theodore Roosevelt built the West Wing, okay? Just built the West Wing. Nobody was like, oh, look at you changing the historical nature. In 1909, President William Howard Taft added the first Oval Office, so constructed it, busted it out, and built an Oval Office in there. In 1933, FDR added a second floor to the West Wing, busted the whole thing out, construction, and rebuilt the whole thing. He relocated the Oval Office to where it is right now, completed the East Wing, built an indoor swimming pool. Then in 1948… President Harry Truman gutted the entire White House. I don’t know if you’ve seen pictures of it. It’s fascinating to look at. All you have are literally four walls and a big open space. Imagine if Trump did that. In 1970, Nixon converted the FDR’s pool into a press briefing room. In 73, he added a bowling alley in the White House. Obama built a full basketball court there. And every single one of those were done with taxpayer dollars. Right. Trump says, we need a ballroom because we keep having to lease out, rent out off-site places for a ballroom. This would be great for dignitaries. I’ll pay for it out of my own pocket with some friends of mine. Okay. And so it’s like, give me a break. It’s only because it’s Trump. That’s the only reason.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s exactly right. Yeah. If this were anybody else, Joe Biden, Neil, Bob, anybody else doing this, Obama, to your point, I think even some of the past Republican presidents, by the way, wouldn’t have near the flack you’re getting right now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
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SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, that’s me. Do you have any thoughts on this? Well, I’m not into the gaudiness of certain things, and I know Trump, and I know a lot of things. They like the ornate things and this, that, and the other. Yeah, I’m not into that. I’m not into a lot of that sort of thing. All the same token, I’m not into all the trendy things as well. And I guess my take on things is the more simple they are and the more long lasting they are, the better off you are at the end. But I’m not in charge of that.
SPEAKER 03 :
What about you, Bob? I’m actually with you guys. I don’t like the look. Trump in the Oval Office, he’s got a bunch of gold sconces hanging on the walls and such. I don’t mind. It’s not my taste. But all presidents, to a certain extent, flavor their Oval Office and the White House with what their own tastes are. And so, fine, next president comes in. My guess, next president that goes in, Republican or Democrat, probably will remove a bunch of those gold sconces from the White House. As far as the ballroom goes, you know what? So what if it has a regal, majestic look to it? Trump’s going to Trump Tower the look of of the of this building. But you know what? So what? He’s paying for it out of his own money and president’s going to use it in the future. Dignitaries are going to come here. They’re going to be like, oh, hey, wow. You know, this looks really ornate and and presidential and.
SPEAKER 02 :
And for those that don’t like that, get your own money out.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, there you go. Get your own money and – right, exactly. Redesign it if you want to. First of all, you know at some point in the future somebody, Democrat or even Republican, is going to upgrade and modernize and change the appearance of the inside of the ballroom anyway, change the chandeliers or whatever. Stuff like that happens. Big deal. But at least it was paid for and without tax dollars.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I’m in agreement. Anyway, I just wanted to ask your opinion on that because he’s got his own style. I’m not sure I really like his style, but I do like the idea of adding a ballroom. I think it’s high time and it’s the right thing to do. The No Kings protest. What about that? And I mean, it’s unbelievable how many old people were involved in it. That’s one of the immediate observations. But there were some people that were saying, you know, violence is a good thing, essentially, and some sort of pointing towards violence. The idea of the assassination of Trump or going after conservatives in violent kind of ways, there wasn’t a ton of that, but it did happen. And some say, hey, it was just peaceful and patriotic. I didn’t see it that way. I saw it. You know, as a much bigger, what’s the word I’m looking for? Representation of what the left actually believes and how committed they are to trying to stop Trump and his agenda. I’m not sure how effective it was, but Bob, I don’t know. Did they do anything like that in Detroit? There was a gathering for sure here in Niagara Square in Buffalo.
SPEAKER 03 :
We had him out there. And, you know, I tried not to spend too many hours out there, you know, holding my No Kings song.
SPEAKER 02 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Again, just like – OK. The outrage – fake outrage. This is something that the left has mastered. All right. Fake outrage over the ballroom. Same thing. No Kings. Hold on a minute. Was it Democrats or Republicans that were – closing down churches, deciding what buildings are essential, what businesses are essential and not essential, are allowed to stay open or not. Was it Republicans or Democrats who were ordering people to get a vaccine against their will or they lose their job or get kicked out of the military? I mean, you know, who was this exactly? I don’t remember any no kings rallies when the Democrats were basically mandating, here’s what you have to do here. Oh, here’s what family members you’re allowed to see and what family members you’re not. Because of the COVID nonsense. And you’re going to actually do the no kings claim. And while we’re at it, let me just say, the driving force, the gasoline for this whole no kings thing were the ICE deportations taking place. That’s really the big thing here, that Trump is acting like a king. OK, here’s some. I said this on my show. I would encourage you guys. Ask your Democrat friends some basic yes or no questions. All right. Yes or no. When Barack Obama was president, did ICE conduct raids to deport illegal aliens? Yes or no. You know, the answer is yes. Next question is, were there any no kings rallies at the time? Was Obama being a king? Next question. This is the big one. Yes or no, did Barack Obama’s administration actually deport more illegal aliens per year than Donald Trump did per year in his first four years? And Obama deported more than Donald Trump has. This is what’s incredible here. But there were no no-kings rallies. There was no outrage. Because this is all fake outrage today, plain and simple. We hate Trump. We don’t care what the facts are. We’re just going to hate on him and call him a fascist while it’s our Democrat leaders that step in and decide what you’re allowed to do and not allowed to do in your life and your business. We’ll decide what the prices are going to be for you to sell your products for price controls from the government. That’s all King stuff. And that’s none of the stuff that Trump is doing.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s right. And I had somebody text into the show, which I kind of had thought of this, but really had never said it out loud. But I thought, well, if somebody texts it, I’m going to go and say it out loud. And that is that the majority, not all, but the majority of the protesters are old white boomers.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Yeah. Benny Johnson, you know, the social media guy.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
He he coined a new phrase, Grand Tifa.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s good, actually.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, they couldn’t stay long because they had to get back for their diaper change.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s hilarious. That’s hilarious.
SPEAKER 04 :
There was a lot of old people out. I don’t I don’t know. But this crossed my mind. If you’re going to take the time to go out and hold a sign saying something, Shouldn’t you be celebrating peace in Gaza right now, at least a ceasefire? Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, there was all they would if they actually really cared about peace in Gaza. But they don’t care. That’s the thing. Yes. They would be. Oh, we have a ceasefire doing the conga dance out in the street. They’re not doing that because it’s Trump. It’s that simple.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s college campuses. You know, there were all kinds of people saying free Palestine, by the way, they were also complaining about famine in Gaza. And then when they got there and check things out, they had quite a bit of food on hand in Gaza and there weren’t emaciated people walking back to their home. Sure. Probably happened in some corner of Gaza and in certain places. I’m not denying that, but on the other hand, the widespread stuff they claimed was happening really wasn’t happening. And I don’t know that it, Do people keep score on this? Do they pay attention to the fact that you’ve been told that people are starving and all this abuse is occurring? And then when we go into Gaza, we’re not seeing anything that gives evidence to that. Why aren’t people holding the legacy media accountable for that? Well, nobody does.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. In all fairness. I think you just answered your own question, legacy media.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. I mean, look, there is a lot of rubble. There’s a lot of devastation. Nobody can deny that in Gaza. But this is brought on by Hamas. The reason residential neighborhoods are destroyed is because Hamas launches their missiles from residential neighborhoods. So the counterfire takes out residential neighborhoods. This is Hamas using their own people for human shields. They’ve decimated their own people. And so… And I got to say, the Palestinian people themselves, I feel bad for them. I think I said this last week. I’m not saying I don’t feel bad for them, but we got to remember, they’re the ones who voted Hamas into power in 2007. And they’re the ones who said 70 to 80 percent, according to the polls, supported the October 7th massacre in Israel. So, you know, I feel bad for them. Let’s help them. Let’s get humanitarian aid in there. But let’s not forget that they brought a lot of this on themselves.
SPEAKER 04 :
Let me ask you about a different aspect because I was kind of bothered by this. I’m not a huge fan of the na-na-na-na-na, we won and you who didn’t. I mean, Donald Trump probably – I want a couple of people to stick around and hear the end of the podcast, Bob. What are you talking about? You’re going to lose me and John if you keep singing. Let alone the audience. You know, this true social post with Trump wearing a crown flying an F-16, dropping fecal matter or manure or raw sewage. I mean, it was AI generated. I get it. It was probably supposed to be funny. But he’s dropping sewage on the no kings protesters. I don’t, where’s the decorum? I don’t think there’s any place for that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Does anything like that ever drive you nuts? Nope, doesn’t bother me at all. I’m like, come on, the guy’s got a sense of humor, lighten up. All right, he’s trolling them. You guys are calling me a king? Okay, fine. Here’s me flying my fighter jet called King Trump and I’m wearing a crown while I’m doing it. And let me drop some poop on you. You know, it’s it’s you know what? What he’s doing is he’s sending a message to a lot of people that, hey, Trump knows how to be a regular guy and not take himself too seriously or his critics.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, yeah, I mean, I mean, would I have done that? Probably not. But when you look at it and you look at it. The way you’re explaining it, Bob, it’s almost like, you know, that’s the stuff that we all would have done when we were hanging around each other back when we were in our 20s. And it’s like, OK, why can’t we still do that? You know, why has everything become so sterilized that you can’t have fun anymore? And I think that’s what Trump’s trying to say.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And I think, you know, a lot of the younger generation, the Gen Zers who typically go left wing and Trump’s been pulling them over to him. Yeah. They’re the ones that look at this and go, you know what? That’s kind of funny. The guy’s like, oh, you’re calling me a king. OK, fine. Here I am wearing a crown, dumping a bunch of poop on you. Well, there was also. I think it makes some Gen Zers laugh.
SPEAKER 04 :
was a picture circulating as well you might have seen it but trump and vance are wearing crowns and the two democrat leaders how came jeffries and and uh you know in the house the minority leader and schumer in the senate uh wearing sombreros and uh there was that and then there was another video this one this one i actually probably liked the least but it was picture it was it was trump wearing a crown and you see him slowly putting the crown on his head then he pulls the robe over his shoulders and then it cuts to a picture of nancy pelosi and others bowing down to him and again i’m sure humor was i get it i get it rolling them Okay, but wait a minute. When I played college football, I’m just telling you that we, at all costs, were told to avoid what we call billboard material. Like if the other team said, well, these guys, you know, they suck, they’re horrible, and we will kill them in this game coming up. We put that on our billboard, and we spent the entire week looking at it. I’m just wondering if any of this stuff in the end becomes billboard material, because while people on the right are laughing and conservatives think it’s funny and ha-ha, he’s just like – People hate this guy. And this stuff, I think, throws gasoline on the fire. So I don’t know. We’ve got a midterm coming up. I’m not saying it’s going to tip the scales entirely, but I do think it has an impact.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know. You know, so Trump can get away. with things that other people and traditional politicians can’t get away with. And the thing about Trump is the guy knows long before politics, he knows about branding, marketing, and imaging. Okay. He knows about that. And he’s a brand, his name is a brand. And what he’s doing, he sent a message going, you know what, here I am, the rich cufflink wearing bazillionaire, And I can be a regular guy who puts on a McDonald’s apron, works the drive-thru window, and it works for him. Look, Trump was riding in the garbage truck, and he had the orange vest on. And then when he goes up on the stage, he’s still wearing the orange vest. And he said, you know what? When he goes up wearing the orange vest, he says, somebody told me I look thinner in this, so I’m leaving it on. It gets a big laugh out of everybody. Trump is showing that for all the talk about how I’m so full of myself, I don’t take myself as seriously as you guys think I do. And I can sit there and roll up my sleeves and crack up laughing with you and have a beer too. And you know what? No, that’s not going to reach the hardcore 25, 30 percent of liberals in this country that are just filled with hate.
SPEAKER 02 :
You’re not going to reach them anyway, so it doesn’t matter.
SPEAKER 03 :
no matter how presidential he is, they’re going to hate him and smear him. So why not just laugh, have a good time and get some Gen Zers to go, you know what? He’s a pretty regular guy for a billionaire.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I do think really quick, Neil, I think that it resonates with some of what he even just did. The people that got him elected, keep in mind, a lot of those were younger males, by the way, not just white, white, Hispanic, black, and so on. I mean, there was a lot of males out there that actually voted for Donald Trump, and I’ll be honest with you, everything he just did plays into that even further. It doesn’t diminish any of that.
SPEAKER 04 :
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Hey, good to have you along. It’s part two here of today’s edition of the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast. I’m joined by John Rush, the host of Rush to Reason in Denver, Colorado. Bob Duco, host of The Bob Duco Show in Detroit, Michigan. And my name is Neil, host of Neil Boron Live on WDCX Radio in Buffalo, New York. But we’ve been together for a long time. More than 300 podcasts in. It’s hard to believe. Good Lord. And we’re not a minute older. Like, we’re actually still all 29 years old. Even after years of doing this podcast, it’s incredible. So, you know, during the first half of the podcast, we were talking about things related to the No Kings protest and some of the other issues going on in our country right now. I want to ask you guys about, you know, Donald Trump’s vocal… vocal promise to go after his opponents, which is retribution. And I don’t know what long-term effect that’s going to have. You guys may disagree that it’s not retribution. I say that it is. But either way, I’m not a fan of so openly saying, look, we’re going to put Letitia James in jail. We’re going to arrest or indict Letitia. John Bolton and James Comey’s been in the crosshairs, possibly Adam Schiff in the future. And I’m sure that you guys have talked about this on your own radio shows. But let’s talk about it here on the podcast. Is Trump doing a good thing? Is he gaining support by saying he’s going to go after people that in the past went after him? John, your opinion on that?
SPEAKER 02 :
I don’t think it hurts him to know at the end of the day, again, that hardcore left crowd that we talked about earlier, they’re going to be on that side no matter what. I think there’s a lot of folks out there. I think there’s even some folks in the middle that are wondering, okay, wait a minute. There’s now known people that did some things opposite of what they said they did. In fact, there’s some folks out there that probably are on the edge of being very treasonous in the actions that they did. And why are we not holding these people accountable? Now, I think there’s some people that are on the far right that want much, much more than this. So I think Trump’s very wise. He’s feeding into the people that he knows he needs support from. He also knows a midterm election coming up in 26. I think, by the way, there could be a lot more people out there that he names along these lines. But they’re being very careful on the folks that they think they can actually do some prosecution with. In other words, have some success when it’s all said and done. The worst thing you want to do is, you know, kind of go after somebody. And then at the end of the day. Like Donald Trump on the left, by the way, you go after them. And at the end of the day, it’s a nothing burger. You don’t want that either. So you got to be really careful in what you’re saying. But no, I’m fine announcing some of this. Some of these people need held accountable. It’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And I don’t know. The courts have a way of dismissing certain things. And somehow it seems like people that are culpable for certain crimes or whatever never end up really getting prosecuted. But I would think of everybody I mentioned, James, John Bolton. is in a heap of doo-doo. Bob, your thoughts about that? Because what’s interesting is that he had worked for Trump, later became his enemy, wrote a book, and has been a harsh critic of Donald Trump. But now possibly guilty of some of the same things he criticized Trump about, of course, his handling of sensitive and classified documents, which may have fallen into the hands. In fact, it’s widely believed they did fall into the hands of some of our enemies. So your thoughts about all of this, but especially John Bolton?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I think he is in deep stuff that Trump dumped on the No Kings protesters. Yeah. And he should be. This is not about retribution. This is not about revenge or repaying evil for evil. This is about holding people accountable. for breaking actual laws. Trump didn’t break actual laws. They made up, they trumped up charges against him, no pun intended. John Bolton, all right, John Bolton did not have the authority as former national security advisor to take with him classified documents that had not been declassified. He did not have the authority to give those, to let other eyes see them like publishers and ghostwriters. He he was told specifically by the Trump administration, do not publish that book. You’re publishing classified documents and you’re not allowed to do that. He did it anyway. And then a judge ruled, okay, you can go ahead and publish the book, even though the judge admitted, but it is most likely compromising national security. What is wrong with you then? Okay. So yeah, you do stuff like that, then guess what? You should be held accountable. Jack Smith, should be held accountable for the bogus investigations that he did into Donald Trump for things like the classified documents thing, and then gave a pass to Joe Biden, who had 1,800 boxes of classified documents in seven different unsecured locations, including the basement or the floor of his garage, whereas Trump was at least the president and had the authority to declassify and had the authority to take whatever records he wanted because it’s the president you’re allowed under the Presidential Records Act. Letitia James, she ought to be held accountable. You can’t use the power of your attorney general’s office to say, I’m going to campaign on getting Trump, and now that I’m in office, I’m going to get him somehow, someway. And you know what? She looked through every single business dealing that he has currently and couldn’t find anything. So she said, let’s go back through his past. And she finds old loans to Deutsche Bank that were paid off on time. And Deutsche Bank even testified on behalf of Donald Trump. We weren’t defrauded. We agreed with his assessments of his properties. OK, and that’s what she said. Well, I don’t agree. So therefore, we’re going to try to bankrupt him and take Trump Tower and stick him with a half a billion dollars in penalties and fines that he’s got to pay. And then you find out this very Letitia James herself is committing mortgage and bank fraud by claiming secondary properties as her primary. It’s like, no, this is holding her accountable. All right. It’s not saying tit for tat. Now, I will say this, Neil, in all fairness, and then I’ll stop ranting here. But when you say it’s retribution, I do believe that there is an element of retribution in this, in that I can see Donald Trump saying to Pam Bondi, all right, all these people that made up bogus charges against me, they better be clean. So I do want you looking in their closets and let’s make sure that they’re clean. And if they’re clean, fine. We’re not going to make up fake stuff. But if they have actually committed real crimes, then you better believe we’re going to hold them accountable for it. So that to me is the extent of the retribution. If they were repaying evil for evil and just getting revenge, Trump and Bondi would be making up bogus charges about innocent people the way that they made up these bogus charges about Trump.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, okay, and I basically agree. But the bottom line is that when they went after Trump, some were convinced, not all. But, yeah, they were making some stuff up, no question about it. They’re making it all up. They’re making it all up. Okay, and that’s why nothing stuck to the wall, because they made it up. And in the end, he was exonerated. And even the $450 million civil – Business fraud judgment was later thrown out.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, all the more reason why. And I think this is something I remind my listeners of constantly because they want blood. They want a lot more than what’s going on right now in regards to the DOJ. And I’m reminding them that we can’t do the same thing. We have to have things that actually stick. And I think to their credit, they’re doing a pretty good job of actually going after the. the individuals that they know they’ve got hard evidence on that at the end of the day, they can make stick. So I don’t think they’re listing as many names as probably our side would even want because they want to be able to have it stick at the end of the day and not do what they did to Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, hang on, hang on. I got to say about that. But think about this, guys. Do you see Donald Trump or Pam Bondi going after any of the friends or family members of James Comey or Adam Schiff or Letitia James or John Bolton or Jack Smith? They’re not doing it. They’re not taking their friends and their family and digging through their past and going back and talking to their friends in high school and seeing whatever dirt they can find. And, hey, did they not pay all of their taxes the way they were supposed to 15 years ago on some tax reform? A friend or associate or family member? So, no, Trump is not… engaging in retribution and revenge because he’s not doing to them what they did to him.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, some might throw Hunter Biden out as an example, but there’s more to talk about.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hunter Biden committed actual crimes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Of course. And got away with most of them. Of course. But the point is, well, let’s talk about that in a second. I want to tell you about SunPowerLED because we wouldn’t have a podcast apart from our sponsors. And SunPowerLED offers what’s called light therapy to help reduce pain and swelling in your body and also promote healing. And, you know, you have all kinds of things that you’re dealing with. In fact, SunPower LED has been used by folks to deal with knee pain, plantar fasciitis, spinal stenosis, tinnitus, vision problems, epilepsy, migraine headaches, arthritis pain. The list goes on and on. These are things that people are using pharmaceuticals for to try to treat some of these symptoms, but they’re not getting cured. And in the end, there’s all kinds of side effects from these medications that are causing people to have to go on additional medications to deal with the side effects of the first. Why not look at the possibility of using the light God created to heal your body, harnessing wavelengths of red and near infrared light to penetrate the skin, get to the cells, energize the mitochondria in the cells, and heal us from the inside out. It’s amazing what light therapy can do. And by the way, some of these devices, some light therapy devices are available like Amazon, and they’re basically Mickey Mouse toys from Fisher Price. I mean, the power and the concentration of the products from SunPower LED is light years beyond what you can get anywhere else. You need to check it out for yourself. Go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on SunPower LED and find out how this incredible product can be used to heal your body. By the way, use their promo code ROUNDTABLE10 if you order one of their products and you’ll get a 10% discount. just because you’re a listener to the National Crawford Roundtable. Bob, that’s also, when you go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, you’re going to also see our major sponsor, Preborn. They’ve been with us a long time and they’re doing a lot to save babies from death, death sentences, and the whole prospect of abortion.
SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, and what about the next time the Democrats control the White House and both houses of Congress? They are coming right back in the other direction. By the way, Brendan Carr, and hear me out. I’m not against going after liberals. If they’ve broken the law, they need to go to jail. And I’m totally against the unfounded targeting of conservatives simply because they hold conservative or biblical or right-wing, I put it in quotes, ideas. So I’m not for targeting anybody, to be honest with you. When in your lifetime, and I’ve been involved in radio for a long time, have you ever seen the FCC chairman weigh in on something like the whole Jimmy Kimmel thing in the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination? And then all of a sudden, Kimmel’s out of a job.
SPEAKER 02 :
By the way, plenty. They’ve done plenty of things in the past along those lines when it comes to interfering in things that they shouldn’t have been involved in in the first place. So not a good argument. I can go down the list of things that the that the SEC, the FCC, the the FEC. I mean, I go down the list of things that in the past the Democrat controlled three letter organizations did that were completely out of order.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so then let’s just say in the next election, God forbid, but liberals rule the world. They’ve got the trifecta. They’ve got the White House and everything.
SPEAKER 02 :
Neil, it’s called politics. This crap has been going on since the beginning of time. You’re not going to change it. So my feeling is while we’re in power, we need to do the exact same thing that they do. It’s called politics. That’s how it works.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t think we need to stick our head in the sand or live in fear, period. But I’m just saying when and if that happens, they’re coming after Christians. They’re coming after us. They’re already going after Christians. They’ve been doing it.
SPEAKER 03 :
During Biden’s years, did Biden and Merrick Garland, yes or no? Did they send the FBI to arrest two dozen pro-lifers that were peacefully praying in a hallway of an abortion clinic? Yes, they did. Yeah, they were trespassing, but they charged him with federal crimes, violation of the FACE Act, through a 75-year-old grandmother in prison for two years for this. I don’t see Donald Trump and Pam Bondi going after pro-abortion protesters or no-Kings rally protesters, some of which were violating certain areas of trespassing. But you don’t see the federal government going after them, but you do see Democrats doing that to conservatives and Republicans.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think that Brendan Carr kind of backed off a little bit, and people were questioning whether or not he should have been so bold and so outspoken. He sounded like a MAGA spokesperson, to be honest with you, and I don’t think we’ve seen that from the FCC before. This is supposed to be a group that doesn’t take political sides.
SPEAKER 02 :
Of course, the left does a much better job in that regard, Neil, of masking what side they’re actually on. Look at Jerome Powell, by the way. He’s a prime example of what we’re talking about right now. He is using the Federal Reserve as a weapon against middle America and has been doing it ever since Donald Trump got elected.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he is affecting next year’s election because Jerome Powell does not want the housing industry to start exploding in the spring of 2026 because that gives momentum to the Republicans and to Donald Trump. So he’s deliberately trying to keep the housing market stagnated until we can get through next year’s election.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s why he’s not doing anything by May. And he gets replaced in May. Somebody else comes in. Let’s say somebody else comes in and now finally we’re getting aggressive. We lower the interest rates by a full point, we’ll say. Okay, fine. But the housing market is not going to catch up by the November election. That’s right. So, yes, you’re right. Absolutely right, John. Democrats do a better job of masking their bias. It is politics. The difference is that Republicans tend to wear their politics on their sleeve and Democrats tend to hide behind a non-biased mask, Halloween mask that they wear. That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
How comfortable do you guys feel? Okay, you’ve all seen the picture of Mao Zedong or Xi Jinping hanging in Tiananmen Square or Stalin or Lenin in the Kremlin, these massive, massive photographs or murals or whatever you call them. How about the massive picture of Trump hanging on the USDA building in Washington? I’m not a fan of that. That’s what dictators do. I don’t know your opinion on that. I just, I think that some of this goes a little too far.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Name for me one dictator of any country in the world that would allow hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people to go out holding a no dictator rally, no King’s rally specifically against that dictator. And exactly zero of them got arrested by federal authorities. Zero. I hear you. It’s not, you know, it’s not a dictator thing to say, you know, Trump is a braggadocious guy. He’s got his big name Trump on his – He’s got a big ego. So you know what? So what if he has a big picture, a big portrait of himself? Let the guy have some fun. His policies are not dictatorial. They are not. You had millions of protesters over this weekend, anti-Trump protesters, calling him fascist, Hitler, everything else, and exactly – Zero of them were arrested or targeted by the federal government. Zero. That’s not a dictator.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and that is probably – I really appreciate you bringing it up because that is probably the very thing that’s helping to propel Trump forward in how many people are beginning to – you know, change their position from being either ultra liberal or leaning left to leaning right. I’ve seen a lot on social media and I know some friends personally who’ve said, look, I leaned left my whole life. They voted Democrat because my dad was a lifelong Democrat, whatever. And What they present either isn’t true or it’s not working. And we want to see change. So in a way, I mean, it’s bizarre because if you lined all this stuff up and said, hey, look, if you hang these things on the side of buildings and you put memes on social media, flying F-16s wearing a crown, dropping poop on demonstrators. that somehow that’s going to help you. It’s the I think the left must be absolutely out of their mind trying to figure out how in the world does this help Donald Trump? But it does. And for some reason it works for him. So I don’t know. I guess keep it up. But I’m just telling you personally, when I see I’ve never liked the pictures of, you Tiananmen Square is something creepy about it. I don’t like seeing that. So I didn’t like seeing Donald Trump on the side of the USDA building. He’s probably been the most supportive of agriculture and farmers in our, you know, in U.S. history. But so maybe it’s warranted. I just not comfortable with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
But you know what? He’s he’s sending a message to farmers. And hey, guess what? I’m the farmer’s president. All right. And so look at how look at how symbiotic the Trump administration and Donald Trump is with the with farmers of America. And so, you know what? I’m your hero. I’m your champion. Hey, farmers, look at me. And you know what? So what? The picture’s going to be taken down in three years by whoever’s there next anyway. Or giant portraits of themselves everywhere. You know what? For every place in the federal government that there’s a federal government building that has a big picture of Trump on it, The other 99 percent of all federal buildings don’t. OK, so this is just like, hey, let’s sift through everything. Let’s find the one that a picture of him is on that the USDA put up. And then let’s let’s hyper focus on that. I’m thinking, no, it’s not for as braggadocious as he is. He doesn’t have his face and big portraits of him all over plastered everything all over the place. But here or there. Yes. And then we focus on those. I said I don’t focus on those.
SPEAKER 04 :
I said when he first won, when he was president, 45, you know, back in 2000, whatever it was. What was it, 16? I’ve lost track. Yeah, 2016. He beat Hillary Clinton. I don’t think Christians are good winners. Like, we do the na-na-na-na-na thing, and no, I’m not singing the whole song. I mean, we lost the House immediately, and it was just chaos from that point on. It was one impeachment attempt after another. The point is, from that point on, he was a lame duck, couldn’t do anything. I mean, you just said in three years all this could change. Well, it could change in one year. If they lose the House and the Senate, then he’s literally impeached, and J.D. Vance will be the president.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know if you remember this. When Barack Obama… first won the presidency and George W. Bush was leaving. There’s a traditional thing that’s done and that’s at the inaugural where you have hundreds of thousands of people out there. You have the outgoing president who gets on a helicopter and flies over the crowd to basically say, you know, goodbye. When Barack Obama won and George W. Bush was in the helicopter flying over, it’s amazing. Go back and look at some of the footage there. You have hundreds of thousands of Democrats singing the song, na-na-na-na, hey, hey, hey, goodbye. Remember that? All right. When it’s the other way around, you don’t see conservatives by and large acting that way. But, you know, Trump is showing that conservatives are allowed to have a sense of humor and we can poke fun at ourselves and at our political enemies. He basically Trump is willing to turn every day into a White House correspondence dinner where we used to poke fun at each other. He’s just willing to do that and show that it’s OK to have a sense of humor and still be a black tie professional billionaire.
SPEAKER 02 :
And yet isn’t removing letters from keyboards when he leaves office.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. When Bill Clinton left office. Do you really think when Trump leaves office, when he left office before, do you think the employees of the Trump administration did that, removed keyboards and put pornography in the copy machines and did a bunch of that kind of nonsensical stuff? They didn’t do that. OK, but. You know, the Democrats do. So I just – I don’t see us being na-na-na-na-na-na kind of people to the extent that Democrats are – it’s not right for anybody, but they’re just – they wrote the book on stuff like that.
SPEAKER 02 :
I’m tired of the Marxists winning, and I’m sick – and I want to start poking them back in the eye. Keep in mind, we’re fighting Marxists here. It’s not even Democrats. It’s Marxists and a Marxist movement we’re fighting.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and so we’re going to make a joke about dumping poop on your heads. Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s bizarre we’re talking about this. We only got a couple minutes left. I got to get some feedback here. Bob, you have a better voice than me, so I nominate you for the alternative Super Bowl halftime show. What do you guys think about that? Looks like for sure it’s going to happen. Turning Point USA says they’re going to offer a pro-American Super Bowl halftime alternative. I think it’s an ingenious idea. Your thoughts?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think it’s very smart, too. And you know what? Look, I’m with John in the fact that this is America. It’s freedom. The NFL has a right to bring in Bad Bunny if they want to. Go right ahead. But we also have the right to say, you know what? There’s something else I’d rather watch instead. When you take a guy… I don’t care that he’s a rapper. I don’t care that I don’t know the guy. I couldn’t care less. But he refuses to record his songs in English, only Spanish. He says, because you want to listen to me? Learn Spanish. He refuses to perform in the American mainland, okay? Because like, no, I’m not going to perform there. You want to be anti-American? And then the NFL wants to reward him? This guy who parades around in high heel shoes and dresses like Dylan Mulvaney? So NFL, you think that’s your marketing, that’s your brand, that’s your target? Okay, then fine. Then next year, have Dylan Mulvaney be the halftime show. I love that Turning Point USA is coming up with an alternative for people to go to. I think it’s great.
SPEAKER 02 :
John, what are you going to be watching? Well, I don’t normally watch much halftime stuff anyways, but yeah, if there’s an alternative, absolutely. And again, like Bob said, at the end of the day, NFL can do whatever they want to. Of course, that’s Jay-Z’s company that actually runs all of that for the NFL anyways, and you’re not going to get him to change his mind at this point in time. So yeah, and turn people, turn off the TV at that point, go watch something else, turn it back on when that’s over.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think it’s a brilliant idea. I 100% will be watching it. Were you going to say something, Bob? Nope. I’m just agreeing with John.
SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
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