HOUR 1 What’s fueling the surge of cancer across America’s Midwest—and why won’t the media name the most controversial suspect? In this gripping episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush, Dr. Kelly Victory, and Steve House expose alarming cancer trends and ask: are toxins to blame—or something far more recent and widespread? Dr. Kelly reveals evidence linking “turbo cancers” to spike proteins found inside tumors, while John and Steve question why the medical community stays silent. When proof threatens power, who decides what the public gets to know? Meanwhile, a buried $600 billion Big Pharma lawsuit reveals how PBMs
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And it’s Thursday. Welcome Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And we’ve got Dr. Kelly Victory with us today, along with Steve House. And Dr. Kelly, we’ll start with you. Welcome. How are you today?
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I’m doing great. Thanks for having me, as always.
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Always a joy. Steve, welcome as well. How are you this week?
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I’m very good, although shocked and dismayed at a lawsuit I found against the PBMs that no one knows about. So I’m getting over it.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know what? That’s something I didn’t know much about. So you know what? Let’s start there. Give us an update.
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So the Department of Justice, along with 40 state attorney generals and a bunch of individual companies, starting with Johnson & Johnson’s employees, have sued PBMs. the pharmaceutical manufacturers and PBMs, the four largest PBMs for overcharging on insulin for 21 years and for 14 years of fixing prices on generics that were well above the market It was interesting to see because they actually showed that the price of insulin, the street price in an open market scenario should have been $2.02, and Express Scripts was charging $16,416 for it. But what happened was they’ve come to a conclusion, and they’re finalizing a settlement. somewhere in the order of $600 billion. But the two shocking things about it are they’ve suppressed knowledge of the suit and the recovery to the point where there’s only two more weeks to file a claim. So every employer in the country, hospitals, your business, anybody who has 200 or more employees or 200 or more people in their health plan and it’s self-funded is eligible for recovery. It starts in the like $800,000 range because it covers 20 years. And some of the bigger ones, Costco, I talked to Costco this week, $2.1 billion recovery. for Costco, $400 million for GM. But nobody knows about it, so hardly anybody’s claimed it because they’ve suppressed it in the media.
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And that’s just part of what they do, so it’s terrible. Yeah, no, that is terrible. And the question I’ve always had on this, and I know we’ve talked about PBMs and, you know, Big Pharma in the past, and Dr. Kelly, you know, you and Steve both have hit on this numerous times. And I guess, you know, being, you know, the business guy that I am and knowing how, you know, my world works, you know, Why is it that PBMs still exist today? I mean, we live in a culture today, you know, in a world today to where reality is you don’t need them any longer. The, you know, direct to even consumer from a lot of companies and what’s happened in regards to, you know, the Internet, now AI and so on. Why are these archaic systems still there, Dr. Kelly?
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I think part of the problem is because the system is so complex, John, that they have led people to believe you can’t do it on your own. My apologies to anyone who’s listening out there who is a realtor or married to a realtor, but it’s not dissimilar. You are talking about a middleman, someone who has interjected themselves into the middle of a broker deal. in the case of realtors, between someone selling a house and someone buying a house. There’s truly no need for this middleman, particularly in today’s world when you can find information on, you know, everybody is just all over the Internet. You know, you’ve got the photos. Everything’s right there for you. Why do you need to pay this enormous commission to an individual who does, you know, it was very different 20, 30 years ago. It’s the same thing with the PBMs.
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And really quick, let me interject because for everybody listening, please, and this is, again, like Dr. Kelly said, no offense against anybody in particular out there, but Dr. Kelly, everything you just said is correct. I’ve never yet done a commercial real estate deal where I’ve had to have a realtor involved. And truthfully, if you could do something different on the residential side, believe me, I would. The problem is, and maybe this is the same thing on the PBM side, the problem with the realtor end of things is if you don’t use them – You’re pretty much blackballed. You’ll never get your house out on the MLS no matter what service says they’ll actually get your house marketed and so on. The reality is you’re pretty much put into a corner and you have no choice because unless you’re bringing your own buyer to the table, Dr. Kelly, good luck.
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And that’s exactly what the PBMs have done. They’ve made it a pay to play scheme where, you know, good luck trying to get on the formulary from the hospital. You’d have to go hospital to hospital. They won’t get your product out there. You’re essentially blackballed from being able to do it. So they have created a situation where it’s very, very difficult to function without engaging a PDM, just like it’s very difficult as you laid out to sell a piece of property without engaging a realtor.
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Yep. Steve, your thoughts on that? Again, you’re involved in this very much, by the way, on a routine basis. And again, am I wrong in stating that, like Dr. Kelly said, even on the house sides of things, the real estate sides of things, again, I’m confused. Why do we need these folks any longer? Why can’t the whole system just be abolished and started over?
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You know, it probably can, and especially since we’ve got the advent of AI and, you know, process agents and AI. I mean, the real genesis of it was, you know, the idea that it was too complicated, right? I mean, this whole thing is so complicated that kind of like real estate, right? I mean, a real estate contract is not a simple thing. An inspection is not a simple thing, but eventually it became simpler and simpler, and it’s much easier to do. People just have assumed that the process of distributing, understanding, educating about drugs and what they’re needed for, as well as structuring pricing, was too complicated to do on their own, so they engaged PBMs. And we just have never disputed that theory to the level where we went to a different model, and it’s way overdue.
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Yeah, I mean, I think just like a lot of industries, and I’m still one that complains about the real estate sides of things. I don’t want to get off on a whole other level here, Dr. Kelly, but the reality is it’s not as complicated as it once was. It has gotten much easier. AI, by the way, is going to make it even easier than what it once was. So at what point, you know, I guess what I’m asking Dr. Kelly, and I’ll let Steve follow up, where’s the breaking point to where we finally get around some of this nonsense? Or is there one?
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Yeah, well, I think what really needs to happen is someone needs to go rogue and just show that it can be done without them. And I think others would follow suit because getting rid of the PBMs, eliminating the middlemen in the pharmaceutical industry would make the greatest impact on driving down drug costs of any of the other things we’ve talked about. Even what the president is trying to do with getting most favored nation status on drug pricing would not hold a candle to the price reductions you would see by eliminating the middlemen entirely. There are hundreds of percentage points added. to the cost of drugs as a result of that. And many drugs will never make it onto the formularies at all because of the involvement of the middlemen, because they fundamentally blackball certain things. So I think it’s going to take someone to go rogue and just show that it can be done.
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Steve, and again, you know me, I’m very much small government, don’t want government interfering any more than they have to, but at some point, if you can’t get industry to actually make changes necessary, you have to, in some cases, legislate and or encourage with threat of legislation to fix some of these things. Are we at that point?
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Yeah, you know, I can tell you right now that if you watch the video where a guy is presenting what happened with these PBMs on insulin pricing, if you knew somebody who was a diabetic And you know somebody’s a diabetic. And first of all, the lawsuit covers a period from 2004 to 2025 on insulin. And it’s an acknowledged fact that while there’s blame, while the defendants are admitting guilt, they haven’t stopped. So the lawsuit’s going to give people recovery for what’s happened in the past. But the present and the future still contain the problem. And if people saw, if they literally saw that a $202 street drug, which gave the pharma company manufacturer the profit they needed, the pharmacy the fees they needed to distribute it, and it was marked up to over $16,000. That’s ridiculous. If people saw that over and over again, I think they’d come out of their houses and say, this is crazy.
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Why do we let this happen? And that, I think, is the ultimate question when it’s all said and done. And like I said, Steve, I’m not for the legislative end of things. And by the way, folks listening, I don’t think you’ll ever see what I just said happen anyways because Big Pharma, Steve and Dr. Kelly, have got their fingers wrapped around darn near every politician. I know there’s a few that are out there that are willing to stand up against them, but there’s not enough, in my opinion, to make any change, Steve. Am I correct in that? Yeah.
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I mean, if you think about it, I mean, big pharma in this lawsuit, right? I mean, I just got off the phone with about half a dozen attorneys and they were like, I never heard of this. I talked to some of the people, some of the biggest companies in the country that I work with, and they’ve never heard of it. And so then they look it up, you know, MDL 2274, MDL 3080. They’re both multi-district litigations. They’re attorney generals. There’s the DOJ. And they’re like, Yeah, it’s right there, but you don’t find it because they’re not letting you find it. Nobody knew. They’re burying it. They’re paying to bury it on Google and places like that, and they’re telling the media, if you bring this up, you can forget ad dollars.
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That’s a pretty powerful position to be in. Wow. Dr. Kelly, that’s basically pure corruption, if you ask me.
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Oh, there’s no question it is. It’s absolute corruption.
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I mean, that’s darn near like having the mafia run things in Vegas or something along those lines. Am I wrong in my thought process?
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Not at all. I have said openly, and we’ll say it here, that what happens with the PBMs would be racketeering in any other industry. It would not be allowed. It’s absolutely mafia style. This is back alley thuggery going on. Either you pay me, either you give me the percentage, you know, points that I want here, or you aren’t going to get on this formulary. You won’t get your, you know, we… We’ll promote this other drug. We’ll tell the hospital. The CEO will tell the company that here are the drugs they need. It is a pay-to-play scheme. It is racketeering. People would go to the federal penitentiary in any other industry.
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Yep. Yep. Fact. Fact. You know what? There’s two things about that, Kelly, that I can add from this lawsuit, and that is One is RICO is mentioned in some of the paperwork, and that’s what got the DOJ interested in what was going on. And the other fact is when you start to look at how much they dealt with generics and what they did and how they block people out, The lack of people being adhered to their medications in some respects is based on how much money this stuff costs. And it’s just out of sight, out of mind. These companies are so powerful. It is beyond belief. And there’s just no way to stop them at this point, as far as I can tell.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Again, Dr. Kelly Victory with us today, Steve House as well. All right, switching gears for a moment because we can continue to talk about PBMs, but the reality is until something major happens, I don’t see them. You know, going anywhere, guys. But this this particular two articles I read this week. Actually, there’s more. But the two main ones I read this week and you guys have seen these as well as there was one in Fox News even today on this. Why cancer is hitting the Midwest harder than anyone else in America. And of course, they’re going to go look at, you know, environmental exposures and things along those lines. But Dr. Kelly, I want to start with you. Is that I mean, is I mean, that might be a part of it. But why are we not looking at the you know, the big elephant in the room, which is the vaccine?
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Correct. You know, they will continue to try to obfuscate and point fingers in lots of different directions. And there’s no question that there may be other environmental factors at play here. Certainly, we know that things like Roundup, different fertilizers, pesticides, those sorts of things that are commonly used in this article starts, you know, with somebody You know, remembering their days as a child walking barefoot through the cornfields, you know, at a time when it was likely that glyphosates were being used. So there’s no question. I’m not saying that there couldn’t be environmental factors. But the reality is we are seeing a significant, and I mean significant, increase in cancers of all varieties everywhere. In the past four years, specifically, and what has been termed turbo cancer is absolutely a result of the mRNA shots that nearly everyone received a remember about 80% of Americans took at least one of these shots. And most took a lot more than one. So I think you are right. They’re looking for ways to distract attention away from the elephant in the room, from the obvious fact that the MRNA shots, in addition to causing a host of other problems like myocarditis and blood clots and neurologic conditions, are responsible for the significant increase in cancers across the board.
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Yeah, and again, Steve, I mean, again, I’m like Dr. Kelly, not denying, and there might be some other factors in all of this, but at what point do we start, again, going back to the pharma discussion we just had for the first segment, at what point do we go and actually start looking at the reality of what’s actually happening?
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You know, it’s funny because if you think about this, you need proof, right? I mean, you really, in the scientific community, you need proof that the vaccine is causing the problem. There’s all kinds of data that would suggest that at least causation and there’s a relevant risk that we should all be heeding regarding this vaccine. But it’s kind of like science, right? On one hand, they’ll say you don’t need proof that a vaccine is safe because you don’t need proof there are vaccines, right? On the other hand, when a vaccine is unsafe, for you to be able to claim that it’s actually hurting people, you need proof. And I don’t know what proof standard you have to pass. Kelly probably knows that better than I do. But I’m telling you right now, the scientists of this world who support this vaccine, the doctors, will tell you there is no proof, no measurable, no documented, no seriously studied proof. Even the studies from Henry Ford on vaccines in general are not enough to take this thing off the market right now.
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So my rebuttal to that, Steve, would be, number one, we have many, many studies or papers laying out the mechanisms. There are more than 18. clearly demonstrated mechanisms by which the mRNA shots do in fact cause cancer. But on top of that, we now have multiple studies from actual pathology where tumors, breast tumors, prostate tumors, colon tumors, have been shown to have not only spike protein, but the spike DNA within the tumors themselves. And so I think that… It is it’s going to be a while before we have the amount of, you know, the sort of mountain of proof it’s going to take for the vaccine zealots to believe it. But the reality is we can actually prove that that mRNA, that spike protein is within the tumors themselves.
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Okay, so these articles that, you know, I sent both of you guys really quick. Dr. Kelly, Steve, I’ll let you chime in. But in these articles, no one mentions any of what you just said. I mean, to me, yeah, this would be pretty easy to determine exactly what’s causing these cancers. Steve, why are we not looking at that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I mean, I do think people are looking at it for sure. I mean, they’re looking at it because, you know, someone needs an explanation. I mean, all-cause mortalities needed a real explanation, I think. Kelly’s point is very relevant. You know, you open up a tumor and you find spike protein there, then you know that there was causation by the vaccine. However, I’ve literally talked to a couple of docs just in the last week about that exact issue. And they say, hey, if you get spike proteins in the body, there’s no reason it might not be in the tumors, too. But that doesn’t mean it caused the tumor. And I’m like, you guys are out of your mind.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that’s splitting hairs at that point.
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There’s no other reason why this would be here. What are you talking about? But that’s what we’re up against.
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I mean, Dr. Kelly, am I right on that? I mean, that’s where you’re splitting hairs. It’s almost like, okay, what came first, the chicken or the egg? I mean, at the end of the day, it is what it is. And, again, I’m just a layman. I’m not a doctor or a surgeon or a medical professional or a scientist or anything along those lines. But common sense says, wait a minute, guys, you’re splitting hairs here.
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And this is part of the reason why it is so critically important to do the vaxxed, unvaxxed studies. Good point. To show why are we not seeing these turbo cancers? Why are we not seeing an increase of any sort in cancer rates in the totally unvaccinated populations? Why is that? So I think that part of it’s going to be a combination of actual bench science, meaning scientists in a laboratory looking at tissue samples under the microscope, combined with epidemiologic studies looking at the incidence and saying, OK, you know, why do we have a 500 fold increase in X, Y or Z condition in the vaccinated population where it’s not in the unvaccinated? Unless you can show me something else that vaccinated people do that unvaccinated people don’t do, then you really have to whittle it down to it. Well, it’s somehow one way or another related to that vaccine. Again, when you look at areas of the world that are largely unvaccinated for COVID, and that would include sub-Saharan Africa, places in India, they aren’t seeing increases in cancers. They aren’t seeing fertility issues. They aren’t seeing fertility rates falling through the floor. They aren’t seeing incidences of myocarditis and pericarditis and neurologic injuries and all these other things. So it’s going to have to be a combination of hardcore bench science and epidemiology. But you will never convince people who won’t see it. You are never you’re going to have a tough time convincing doctors who for three or four years or more. pushed these things, you know, telling their patients how important it was, would not look at the mounting data saying that they were wrong. And those folks have got a reckoning. They’ve got to either look in the mirror and acknowledge, I actually created harm. I perpetrated harm on my patients by doing this. And people are, you know, cognitive dissonance is crazy. It’s very, very powerful, the fact that people do not want to acknowledge something that isn’t consistent with what’s morally and ethically tolerable to them. It’s going to be a long time.
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Question I just had a moment ago, which I think we’ve answered in the past, but I’m going to ask it again anyways, because this just came in. Is the spike protein detected in a blood test, and if so, what type?
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s a great question. The tests we have now that are commercially available are not for the spike protein itself. They are for antibodies against the spike protein. But we know that that is a reasonable sort of reflection that if you have high, high antibody levels, it’s because you have high levels of the spike protein itself. So there is not a commercially available test for the spike protein. but there is one for the spike pro excuse me but for the ant there is one for the antibodies to the spike you can get it at lab core you don’t even need a doctor’s uh a prescription for it. You can go on the LabCorp website and just order it yourself. I think it’s $69. You just go to any LabCorp lab and you can have your levels checked.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Okay. Dumb question on my part. Why can’t we tell if the actual spike protein is there? Is it that, I mean, is it so involved that it just takes so much technology to determine that? It’s just not readily available at the labs? I’m confused.
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Yeah, I think that they just have not made a commercially available one. I don’t know why. I’ve got my theories. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I’m sure there’s one out there. They just haven’t made it readily available to the masses. And I’m guessing that that’s because the FDA doesn’t want you to know.
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Steve, I think Dr. Kelly just hit the nail on the head on that one. I mean, again, I’m not in that space. You guys are. I’m just a lowly layman here, you know, kind of looking at the outside in. On the same token, I understand technology and how things work, and I’m not that dumb when it comes to some of these things. Typically, when something’s not available along those lines, it’s because somebody doesn’t want you to know what’s really going on, Steve.
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Well, yeah. Plus, think about it this way, right? I mean, if you had cancer and you’d had a series of the COVID vaccines and there was Scientific data that was admissible in court that that vaccine caused you to get cancer. You know, who do you get to sue? Right. You get to sue the pharmaceutical manufacturer, except they have this vaccine clause that limits their liability. Your next person to sue, at least in my opinion, is the United States government, probably because the government pushed it. They created Operation Warp Speed. They created COVID itself. It is a gain of function paid for in China. I mean, if you allow there to be those kind of studies out there with that level of proof that will stand up in court, it creates a massive mess for the government and the financial mess would be amazing.
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Dr. Kelly, do you feel like this is one of those things that, you know, down the road, by the way, it’s not going to be tomorrow, but decades down the road, there’ll actually be some of this revealed and that some of what Steve just said will actually, you know, come to bear. And granted, by then, it’ll be far too long to even do anything about it, financially speaking, or even the folks that will have been affected by this. But do you think at some point in time, some of that will eventually come out? Or what are your thoughts?
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I honestly have my doubts. I’m a realist. And given that it has been 60 how many years since John F. Kennedy was assassinated and we still don’t have access to to the actual report. We still, so much we don’t know about things like 9-11, so much that we don’t know about. So do I think, you know, no matter what administration comes in and tells you that they’re going to turn it all over to the people, didn’t we hear that about the Kennedy assassination? You know, this was 60-plus years ago. So do I think that the government will let go of information that they don’t want the public to hear? No, I don’t. I think they’ll continue to dance around it. Anthony Fauci will get pulled in and hopefully have to testify under oath. We might get a little more out about acknowledgment about exactly how much of a role the U.S. government played in the funding to the Wuhan Institute and how much they were involved in the development of the virus itself, those sorts of things. But you will never get the full story. And frankly, you look at something as recent, the most recent, you know, is The assassination of Charlie Kirk, you know, they’re they clearly are not being forthcoming about what happened there. Anybody who’s paying any attention knows that there is a huge cover up, that the story we’ve been told is not true. Same thing happened with regard to the attempted assassination of Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. It goes on and on. So unfortunately, I’ve become a bit jaded with regard to whether I think the truth will ever come to see the light of day.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, going back to this article that, and again, I sent this to both of you on this, you know, mysterious, which cracks me up, Steve, with the headlines, the mysterious rise of cancer. And by the way, key words here, and I don’t know that I mentioned this earlier, it’s not just among adults, it’s among young adults, which again, the three of us have been talking about now for, gosh, Dr. Kelly and Steve, a couple of years, because Dr. Kelly predicted a lot of this stuff would actually happen. And it now is. And Steve, again, I look at this and think, okay, wait a minute, time out. It’s not really mysterious because if they’d been listening to our program for any length of time at all, Steve, they’d know it’s not mysterious.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, it’s not mysterious. I mean, you know what, John, I guarantee you that there are a couple of folders in files in the U.S. government somewhere that have a stamp I’ve seen before where there’s a release date and the release date stamp says AED. And what that means is after everyone’s dead. And it won’t be released until then because at that point people either don’t remember, don’t care, you know, are beyond the thinking. In the Kennedy case, I mean, I was alive when John F. Kennedy was shot. I was young, but I was still alive. And my parents, you know, my mother’s still alive. I mean, it’s pretty sensitive for people. 15, 20 years from now, I don’t think they’ll care. I mean, I think, you know, between that, the Charlie Kirk shooting, you know, the obvious problems with the moon landing with a 9-11, you know, I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I just look at evidence and say, there’s so many questions that are unanswered. I can’t possibly give 100% of my intellectual weight to the idea that all of these things happened as we were told. Gotcha.
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All right, we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory, Steve House with us. Okay, Dr. Kelly and Steve, before I ask a couple of questions here from the text line, one thing that we actually started off this week about is the influenza vaccine and the fact that there are now studies out, Dr. Kelly, I’ll start with you, talking about how There is not one shred of evidence that these things do anything at all in regards to not dying from the flu, not being admitted to the hospital, suffering serious complications, transmitting it to others. In other words, you’re better off, as we’ve talked about in the past, by the way, you’re better off just going in on your own because they’re not doing anything at the end of the day, Dr. Kelly.
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It’s worse than that, John. I hate to be the harbinger of bad news. Not only is there not a lick of evidence that shows that they decrease your chance of contracting influenza, of being hospitalized or dying, as you just pointed out, they actually increase your chance of contracting every form of upper respiratory virus. So just like the COVID shots, the more vaccinated you are for COVID, the more likely you are to contract COVID. Same thing is true with influenza, except it’s not just your increase for risk of contracting influenza. It’s all rhinovirus, coronavirus and all the other host of upper respiratory viruses. So once again, you’ve been sold a bill of goods. And there are many people who have gotten these shots year after year after year after year. It’s already, you know, a total crapshoot when they come up with what they’re going to put into it because they’re trying to make their, quote, best guess. about what strain is going to be out there. So they were never purported to have more than, say, in a good year, maybe 55 percent efficacy and in a really lousy year down in the teens. But now that we know that they actually put you at risk for contracting other respiratory viruses, I don’t know why in the world anyone would be compelled to take one.
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All right. So, Steve, going back to some of our examples of what we’ve talked about with, you know, other vaccines and, of course, the mRNA vaccine for COVID and so on. I mean, the flu shots have been around for a very long time. People just, quote unquote, assume because, you know, everybody from, you know, King Soopers to Walgreens to their doctor recommended that you get one. Flu shots available now. You see it all over. Every time you go someplace, places I just mentioned, you’re seeing that even advertised currently right now, Steve. At the end of the day, why are we misleading people, I guess, is my question.
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Well, I mean, pharma makes a lot of money off flu shots. Doctors’ offices buy flu shots. They inventory flu shots. They have to give them away. I mean, I think if we didn’t learn anything from COVID, and I know that Kelly said this at least a thousand times on different shows we’ve done, is that whether you take a flu shot, a shingle shot, a COVID shot, whatever it may be, You need to do a basic risk analysis of who you are and what your risk is if you get it. And, you know, even if you do the risk, you say, okay, what is my risk if I get COVID, right? I mean, my risk is I’m going to be sick. Maybe I’ll be sicker than average because I turned 65 the other day. So I might be sicker than average. But in reality, the COVID shot still won’t help me. So why would I take it? And we have so many people who look at that and go, you know, I’ve had the flu before. I felt like crap. I want to take a flu shot. Did you take a flu shot that year? Well, I did, but I think I might have been better off. And it’s just like, it’s ridiculous. This whole thing is just… A propaganda, it’s propaganda at the level of what they used to do in, you know, Germany and places like that. It’s really, really bad. Really bad propaganda.
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Dr. Kelly, when you add on to everything Steve just said and you add on to that, what we talked about earlier when we opened up talking about PBMs, well, of course, now it becomes obvious why we push some of the things that we do, correct? Absolutely.
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I mean, this is… This is a huge I’m sorry, this is a huge moneymaker. You know, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. You know, the cost drivers on any product, the big cost drivers are the research and development, the marketing. OK, and liability protection. And when it comes to vaccines, they don’t need to do any marketing because the marketing is important. If it’s on the childhood schedule, it’s all recommended by the CDC and your doctor, and the vaccine manufacturer doesn’t have to do a lick of marketing. Same thing with the flu vaccines. The pharmacies themselves are, and your doctor is marketing it. And then when it comes to liability, there isn’t any. They don’t have any liability. Because of the Childhood Vaccine Injury Act that was passed in 1986. So it’s ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching. It’s all about money for these guys. And unfortunately, people have got to start acknowledging that we’ve been lied to. We’ve been sold a bill of goods. You know, I will go further and say the reality is that there isn’t a single vaccine on the market. And I mean any. whatever it is, shingles, rubella, polio, chickenpox, there isn’t a single vaccine in the market for which your risk of dying from the vaccine itself doesn’t exceed your risk of dying from the disease.
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Right, right.
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Think about that.
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Good point. Good point. And really quick, the numbers, I just looked them up, and Steve, I’ll let you comment on this. So last year, 24-25 season, it was projected that they sold and or administered 148 million doses of the flu shot. So that’s basically half of the population getting dosed, Steve.
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Yeah, I mean… You know, the American people and their ability to analyze their health care is part of the reason why health care is so expensive. You know, we just don’t we don’t have the education they do in Singapore and other places where they look at their conditions. They’ve had a little bit of education about it. They know what works, what doesn’t work. And then when they have to pay for it, they take a real good examination and say, how bad do I really feel? You know, taking the flu shot. I don’t know why I would take one. I just can’t. I mean, I’ve listened to Kelly enough to know that, you know, why would you take a flu shot when they fundamentally are very narrowly capable in terms of which virus. And secondly, they cause more flu than they prevent. I mean, why would I take a flu shot? I can’t until somebody tells me it changed dramatically. That’s just a crazy number, John. We’ve got lots of crazy stats in this country, but that’s one of them.
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I know. Dr. Kelly, I had a listener just say – or just ask a moment ago, you know, why aren’t we calling this, you know, genocide, you know, the mRNA and even some of the other things that we talk about? And, you know, I don’t go that far. I won’t say that. I think some would like me to say that. I – And maybe I should, Dr. Kelly, but I do think there’s people out there that do feel some of these things are actually for the good when it’s all said and done. I don’t think they’re all. I say all with quotes. I don’t think that they’re all as nefarious as some. I think a lot are brainwashed into believing these things actually work when, in fact, they don’t. But I don’t know that I can step out, Dr. Kelly, and say it’s genocide.
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The only reason that I choose not to use the word genocide is because that implies intent. That implies that their intention was to kill people rather than other very evil intents, like we don’t really care one way or another about the safety, it’s all about money. But when you use the word genocide, it implies that it was formulated with the purpose of actually culling the population. We haven’t been able to prove that. We may, in years down the road, be able to show that that actually was their intention. But that’s the only reason I don’t say that. I clearly think that people like Anthony Fauci, Rochelle Walensky, Deborah Birx, other people who are in the administration… at the time, are guilty of crimes against humanity because they absolutely were participants in compelling people, mandating people, coercing people, shaming people into taking a shot to participating in a medical experiment in which, in many cases, they didn’t want to participate. That is an absolute crime. a breach of the Nuremberg Code, you cannot be forced or compelled or mandated to participate in a medical experiment, yet we were. So I think there are 100% crimes against humanity, and I think that I can make The only reason I don’t, as I said, make that leap to pure genocide is because it implies intent on the part of the manufacturers, and I’m not sure that that’s really the problem.
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And let me add one more thing to that, too, and then, Steve, you can comment. I would think, too, Dr. Kelly, if you looked at how things have gone in other countries where this, in fact, has happened, it’s not only the intent of those that are making it, but in a lot of cases, those that are administering it as well. Am I correct in saying it that way?
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I think exactly correct. And, you know, it’s hard for me as a scientist to believe that there aren’t a heck of a lot of people high up the chain who wouldn’t have known. You know, I didn’t predict the things that I predicted. As Steve said, I predicted the increase in cancer. I predicted all of these horrific immune responses. I predicted all of the damage to children. And I didn’t predict those things because I’m a really good guesser.
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Right. OK. Right.
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Because because I actually, you know, trained in science and I know this stuff and they did, too. So I have to believe that they had to know that there would be a carcinogenic, you know, cancer inducing impact of using lipid nanoparticles. How could you not know that? How could you not know that the thing that the vaccines would absolutely be in be ineffective, given that you based it on the spike portion of the virus, which is the part that we know you know, modifies, modulates, you know, every about, oh, I don’t know, three minutes, you know, it’s simply not going to work. And they absolutely had to have known that. So I believe that whether it was genocide, whether it’s just incompetence, whether it’s You know, as I said, really willful disregard for human life. Lots of different ways to put it. There’s no question that it was evil and that they did it to serve their own purposes rather than the good of mankind.
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Steve, your thoughts. Go ahead. So, well, yeah, I mean, you’re talking about cigarettes, right? I mean, you think you’re talking about the flu vaccines, which involves somebody making money, should have known. COVID, the flu, whatever vaccine it may be, you should have known that it was going to hurt people. But there was a period of time where people said smoking cigarettes made you healthier. And logic could have said, look, you’re inhaling smoke and glue into your lungs, so that can’t be good for you, right? But they promoted it for a long period of time, and it becomes this scenario where either, A, people want to believe it, even though instinctively they don’t, or people believe it because they’re doctors and the public is telling them it’s good. And C, they believe it because it seems to make them feel good, even though there’s all kinds of reasons why it shouldn’t. But how long did it take before cigarettes, opioids? This is the same stuff. I mean, someday people might look at COVID and go, COVID vaccines, how did we do this for so long? And the answer is because people believed it, and they wouldn’t think about it at that point.
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Somebody just texted in, too, and this is where I think this is another reason why it’s hard to probably say it’s genocide, because in this case, this person says, if the vaccines make people sick, it’s a win-win for big pharma. And I almost think it’s more of that than it was, you know, kind of a genocide thing, Dr. Kelly. In other words, I think it’s more of Big Pharma knew that even if this thing, you know, did cause other complications, they just continue to make money off of people being sick, meaning it’s not. I mean, it’s still nefarious. It’s still wrong. It’s still abhorrent, but it’s not genocide.
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Correct. And I think, you know, there’s a reason why they were desperate to make mRNA a household word, because they had this, you know, the COVID mRNA shots don’t, you know, are just a fraction of what they had planned. So they really were, they were just desperate. absolutely you know certain that they needed to get a vaccine in every arm so that people would feel very comfortable with the idea that oh yeah mrna as if it’s been around for forever we’ve been you know it’s just part of a household thing we’ve always had it right right and and they didn’t really care whether it was safe or not whether it was effective or not They just wanted to make sure that everybody got one and that it became mainstream because of what they had planned next. And hopefully, you know, it’s going to really be whether or not Bobby Kennedy Jr. and HHS and the president, anybody else. can can really shine the light on the idea that, whoa, we have got to stop the entire mRNA initiative until we sort it out and figure out what’s safe and what’s not. It is not ready for primetime, people. I’m here to tell you, mRNA technology has been around for decades and it fails every time and sometimes with just disastrous results to wit the COVID debacle.
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Right. Caller asked real quick. Go ahead, Steve.
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The other thing about genocide is you think about it when you, when you, if you’re really executing a genocide, you are intending to kill people. You want people to know you’re intending to kill people because it’s part of your mission. In this particular case, You aren’t intending to kill people. You want to make money. People are going to die and you know it and you’re hoping that nobody says anything about it or you can hide it.
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There you go. Great answer. Dr. Kelly, a caller asked again, how does the flu, and I know we explained this, but people tune in sometimes a little bit late or they don’t catch exactly what we say, but how in fact does the flu vaccine lead to more flu cases?
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Because it decreases your immune response. Like all of these vaccines end up weakening your immune response. It distracts it away, first of all, from what it should be focusing on while you fight and mount antibodies to the thing that just got injected in your arm. And then it ultimately ends up weakening your immune response, which is why we know that people who are vaccinated for covid, you know, they have created the wrong antibodies. They not only they created antibodies, but they created antibodies. In other words, you’re sort of mounting an army. that’s fighting the wrong foe, fighting the wrong enemy. And so you have all these antibodies that are overfighting this guy over here, while meanwhile, the real enemy, the new enemy, comes in through the back door, where you’re not paying any attention. So it’s that sort of a thing. If you just allowed your own innate immune system to do its job to fight things off, if we worried about things like Daily exercise and adequate sleep and vitamin D levels that are high enough to actually help your immune system. All of the basics. Look, I’ve never had a flu shot in my life. in my life. And if anyone’s up close and personal with sick people, you know, when you’re in the hospital, it’s me. You’re around people during COVID flu season. You know, people are saying, oh, I don’t want to go to the grocery store because there might be somebody with the flu. You know, I’m in an emergency department. Half the people in there got the flu.
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Correct.
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Correct. Great point. I go from room to room to room, and I put my stethoscope on their chest so I’m about, oh, three inches from their mouth, okay, as they’re coughing. I have never taken a flu shot in my life. Okay, I had influenza twice once when I was a resident and I was getting about four hours of sleep a month and I’m my own immune system was probably shot right and once I early in my practice. Was I sick? Yeah, I was sick for about three or four days. I was pretty darn sick. Didn’t miss work, but I was pretty darn sick. And the reality is, if anyone should be afraid of it, it would be somebody in my position. And I’m not, because I’m far more afraid of that shot. And it’s flogging my immune system over and over again, telling it to respond to something while the real enemy is sneaking in the back.
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Great point. Steve, you want to add some of that? We’ve got a couple minutes left is all.
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There are people who have explained Kelly’s abhorrent behavior by the fact that she hasn’t ever had a flu shot, but I don’t really want to go there.
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That’s hilarious.
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It’s clearly attached to her public persona of razor tough at the very least.
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Well, and before knowing Kelly, you and Steve, I probably even in my entire life had only had maybe, I don’t know, two or three flu shots in my entire life. And I’m not sure exactly why. I guess because I wasn’t as educated as what I am today. But even not being as educated, I always felt like, you know, I do pretty well without these things. I think as I got a little older, I thought, well, you know, maybe I should – should do this and maybe it’ll help i mean and i’ll be straight up honest didn’t make a hell of a bit of difference at the end of the year so in fact i think dr kelly to your point looking back on it the years i actually had the shot i think i ended up with more issues that year than the years i didn’t proving your point by the way
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Yeah, and I think that that’s ultimately what we are seeing in all of the vaxxed versus unvaxxed studies, that it’s not related just to a single disease process, whether it’s COVID or influenza or whatever else. Kids who get vaccinated have more ear infections, more throat infections, more neurologic issues, more behavioral issues, more GI issues, more asthma and eczema and psoriasis and peanut allergies. on and on and on. And unfortunately, it wasn’t a big issue or as big an issue back in the 60s, in the 70s, when the total number of vaccines that people got between birth and age 18 was maybe six total. That’s what your immune system can handle that or maybe could handle it because our incidence of autism and all of these other illnesses was very, very low. Now that we are giving kids more than 80 80 between birth and age 18, you are seeing a tsunami of all of these illnesses.
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All right, that’s it, guys. As always, I appreciate it. Time flies. Steve, thanks for joining us today. I appreciate it very much.
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Yeah, for the record, I’ve never had a flu shot either. I honestly haven’t. It was always about rubbing dirt on it, John. There you go.
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Thank you. It’s a pleasure to be with you guys. Always, always, always. Dr. Kelly, you as well. Thank you so much for all you do for us. I appreciate it greatly.
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All right. Talk soon.
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