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In this episode of Fix It Radio, we dive headfirst into the perennial holiday challenge: perfecting your Christmas light display. Our discussion opens with the numerous benefits of switching to LED lights for your home decorations. Not only do these modern lights offer substantial energy savings, but they also provide a much safer and more flexible decorating experience. If you’ve been sticking with those old incandescent bulbs, it might be time for an upgrade. We explore where to find high-quality LED options online that surpass the offerings of your typical big-box stores.
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Walter? Upstairs! Are you alright?
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In the floor behind the chair.
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This is America.
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Does everybody know what time it is? Fix It Radio!
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And it is Fix It Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for tuning in on this fine Saturday. It’s November the 15th, and we’re going to talk about several things today regarding Christmas lights, because it’s that time of year. And a lot of folks are starting to get those put up, and we’ll be working on those. A lot of you will work on those this weekend and next in preparation. Most people have them up by Thanksgiving. I know some people work on them Thanksgiving weekend. We will not be doing a live show Thanksgiving weekend, because everybody will be taking that weekend off, like a lot of you will be. Today and maybe even next week we’ll talk about this. I think we can get most everything handled today, and that way everybody has plenty of time if you’re looking to do some different things and displays and light your house up and so on. But Larry Unger with me today. Larry, good morning. Good morning. Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer. And if you have suggestions, by the way, when it comes to lighting things up, Christmas lights and so on, please let us know. Text line 307. 282 22 you can ask questions there send in comments a lot of you do on a regular basis which i appreciate you can call in live as well 303 477 5600 303 477 5600 well let’s talk christmas lights and Some know what I do at my place, some don’t, but we have quite a display and put up a lot of lights, so I have a little bit of familiarity with what it takes and some of the tricks that there’s out now, which… make putting things up way different than it used to be. Larry and I were talking about that before coming on air. And for those of you listening, and I know there might be an expense to this, but in the end, there’s not, because what you save in electricity alone makes this worthwhile. If you’re going to decorate your house or you have decorated your house in the past, and you’re used to using the old incandescent lights, even if they’re mini lights, even if they’re the icicle lights, even if they’re the larger bulb-type lights. If they’re the bulb-type lights where they screw in, you can unscrew those, dispose of those lights, and put LEDs in. You can buy new LED strings if they’re the mini lights. And here’s the reason why you want to do that. And the part that makes it so easy is you can put a lot of those up with very little draw. We’ll get into that in a moment. Where with the old incandescent lights, you had to be careful how many strings you put together and make sure you don’t blow the initial fuse and, and, and. I mean, it just became this huge ordeal back in the day with regular incandescent lights. And that’s gone with LEDs. You don’t really have to mess with that anymore.
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No, it seems to be so much easier and so much brighter.
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And in some cases, depending upon the string you buy, some even have controllable colors where you can change the string from one color to another if you so desire.
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Or how they flash.
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Exactly. So you pick what you want to do. And point being, the mini LEDs or even just the regular full-size bulbs, which if you’ve got a regular string that’s got the old bulbs in them, you can take those bulbs out and just buy LED bulbs and put in. Now, some of you are thinking, you know, where do I buy this stuff at? And you see all this stuff at the big box stores. And here’s the thing. Nothing wrong with the big box stores. If that works for you, that’s great. But there’s better sources than the big box stores. That’s why I want to talk about this today to give you guys some time. Because if you’re thinking about doing anything along these lines, go to one of the Christmas light warehouses online and buy your stuff there. It will be much cheaper and, frankly, better quality than what you’re going to buy at the big box stores.
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Exactly. I have some flickering candles that I have put up inside my house every year, and I’m trying to get light bulbs for them. Well, I can find them at Walmart and Ace Hardware and places like that, but they’re about $2.80 a piece. I went to Thousand Light Bulbs Warehouse, and I got them for $0.89 a piece.
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Great example. So for those of you listening, you know, sometimes you got to go to the big box store and fill in or get a string for this or a string for that. And I understand that. But you can buy literally online from some of these, you know, Christmas. For example, there’s a website called Christmas Lights, etc. So ETC, Christmas Lights, ETC.com. And there’s many others. Larry just mentioned one. I’m not advertising for any of these. You know, you shop around and figure out what works best for you. But i can tell you that they have come a long way from what they used to be and it’s not even you get what you pay for because you’re going to pay more money at the big box store than you are on some of these online and frankly the ones you’re going to get online are going to be most much better in some cases more of a commercial grade type you know string lights whatever you want to call it than what you’re going to actually get if you go to the big box store so there’s a Big difference as far as that goes. And the big box stores make a boatload of money selling Christmas lights, and you can save money and actually light more up by buying them someplace other than the big box stores. Sorry, big box stores, but that is the reality of how this works.
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The one thing I did find out for Halloween is the C9 light bulbs that we used to be able to buy, are very difficult to find. You have to find C7s, which are the same light, just a smaller bulb. It’s got the same base, just a smaller light bulb.
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Okay. And that’s another one where, now this website I’m looking at, and to Larry’s point, because in some cases, depending upon where you’re buying these, you may not even find C7s, or you might not find C9s, but you got to use C7s. This website I just gave you guys, they have plenty of C9s. So if you get out of the normal big box stores, because the C9s are, by the way, typically more of a commercial type light, not always, but they are. You don’t find a ton of C9s at the big box stores. That’s one thing Larry is correct on. I’ve seen that myself. You can find the C7s, but you typically won’t find C9s. I have a bunch of C9s, so I usually stock up on those. Here’s the thing about the LEDs, by the way. Rarely do they go bad. They can stay up for a long time and be lit for a long time, and they just don’t go bad. The illumination length of time, in other words, until they wear out, far different from the old incandescents. I can remember lighting the house up back in the day with incandescents, and you’d have to check throughout the season. One would go bad. You’d have to get the ladder out and go up and take one out, put one in. You put LEDs up. If they’re working at the beginning of the season, the chances of them working at the end are high. In other words, unless a bulb comes loose or you didn’t get it screwed in quite right or something along those lines, that’s typically what happens on the LEDs. They rarely go bad.
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Well, not only that, but the heat they produce are so much less.
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Oh, there just isn’t any. Yeah, there just isn’t any. So, again, so much safer. You can string a lot more together. We’ll talk about some of how you do some of that. But my point with talking about it today is if you’re going to order anything and do something on the front side, kind of plan out on the front side. Because here’s the other thing with a lot of the commercial or these warehouse-type lights versus what you’re going to buy at the big-box store is, The mini lights, not so much, but these C9s, C7s, and C9s, you can literally say, okay, I’m going to buy a 100-foot spool, and you can even put your own ends on each end, by the way, because I’ll explain that here in a little bit as well, and you literally can make up your own string of lights. and not have to go rely on a pre-made string. So, you know, maybe you need 125 foot length instead of, you know, 200s or something along those lines. You can literally customize this however you want to fit your house.
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Or 75 foot versus 100.
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Exactly. You can customize it the way you want, which makes it really ideal. And for a lot of, I watch people put these lights up in a lot of cases because I watch around the neighborhoods and so on. And, you know, at times you just watch people struggle with these. It’s like, there’s an easier way to do this. Yes, there is. There is a much easier way, especially, again, with today’s advent of LEDs, which – especially in the Christmas light world. I mean, they’re big everywhere. LEDs have really taken over. You hardly use any other bulb now. The efficiency is so great, and you can literally get whatever kind of a – How do I want to say this, Larry? The light itself, you know, you can change the intensity of the LEDs in some cases with a switch on the side of the bulb or the dimmer or whatever. In other words, you can actually change the LED. They’ve become so advanced that way that it’s so much easier to use than any of the old, you know, especially the old incandescent lights. And that’s the other thing. Everybody was complaining when the incandescence went away. And again, government forced that. They went to the CFLs and so on, which they were junk, by the way. I would rather have an incandescent than a CFL. I hated CFLs, the compact fluorescents. And that was another thing where government pushed that. And fortunately, the lighting industry came along and said, wait a minute, we’ve got a better option than even these compact fluorescents. Let’s do this instead. And the free market took over, and before you know it, nobody was using CFLs or the old incandescents because LEDs have become the thing. So if they would have just let things work its way out to begin with, the government would have stayed out of the way. That would have happened all on its own anyways. I don’t know, Larry, if I’ve even got any old incandescent lights left. You know, the other thing that’s nice about LEDs is, like, even in a shop light or something like that, you just don’t have any heat. The chance of it breaking and causing a, you know, a flash, you know, lighting something on fire. I mean, I can’t tell you how many stories from back in the automotive days where somebody had a drop light with an incandescent bulb in it and, There would be a little bit of solvent or gasoline nearby, and that thing would drop and explode pretty soon. In fact, I had a guy I worked with for the longest time, worked next to, that literally his entire front was burned up from exactly what I just mentioned. So back in the day, that was a very common thing to have happen. A lot of guys got burned. by a drop light with an incandescent bulb. But those days are over. You don’t have to use those anymore. This is a side note. Any of you that have those still, especially in a drop light, take that bulb that’s in there now, throw it in the trash, and put an LED in it.
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Yes.
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Just for your own safety.
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They’re not that expensive either.
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They are not that expensive. There’s little risk in that light dropping and blowing up. Even if it does drop, they’re cased in plastic. Okay, the bulb itself might go bad, but you take it out, put a new one in. But the chance of it exploding and causing an issue, like I just mentioned a moment ago, and it’s something we haven’t Frankly, I don’t think I’ve ever talked about that on this program or Drive Radio and probably should have because every now and again I’ll be looking and you’ll just see a drop light with an incandescent bulb and it’s like, oh, geez, don’t do that. Get rid of that thing. I can remember back in the day, well, back in the day. early days larry you didn’t have any choice that’s really all you had in lighting was such a problem back in the day automotive speaking or whatever everybody had a drop light because that’s the only thing you could use to actually see anything and they were absolute garbage i hated those things but that’s all we had we didn’t have the modern lighting you know larry and i were talking before break or before we came on today about the tools that are available today versus what you he and i had to use as young technicians and oh my word those of you that are young technicians you don’t have any idea how good you have it
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Oh, no. It’s so simple.
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Some of the archaic things we had to work with back in the day, I mean, I know I’m making myself sound old, but this one example even, just the lighting sides of things and the way it used to be back in the day and, you know, working up underneath a vehicle and having a drop light with a little hook on it and trying to get that thing positioned where you could actually see and, oh, my word.
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And they weren’t very bright to me.
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No, they were garbage. Everything about that, it’s no wonder we don’t have any eyesight today. Everything back then was garbage as far as that goes. It’s so much better today, but occasionally I’ll still run across one of those. In fact, when I was cleaning all of my dad’s stuff out, he actually had a drop light with an incandescent bulb in it. First thing I did, took that bulb out and pitched it. Even if I use that, it’s going to have an LED in it. I’m not using that with an incandescent bulb. Larry’s laughing at me, but you still run across some of those periodically, and they are as dangerous. I’m not joking here. That’s probably the most dangerous thing you could have in a shop.
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I would agree.
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Outside of anything else in that shop, that is the most dangerous item there. And after knowing several people that I can tell you that story of them catching fire, their arms catching fire, whatever the case, I can tell you that that was one of the first things I tried to do was eliminate those in my shops because they were an accident waiting to happen.
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Yes, they were. And I don’t care how hard, how much you tried to secure them.
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It didn’t matter. They would fall. Something would get knocked off, they’d fall. And, again, if there was anything that had spilled on the ground at all, and, of course, keep in mind that those bulbs got really hot, so even if something sprayed on them, they would blow up just from the spray of whatever that was, solvent or gasoline or whatever. And, again, they were just an accident waiting to happen. So if you’ve got any of those in your shops… please put an LED bulb in it. I’m not telling you to throw the whole thing away. They’re actually fairly functional if you put an LED bulb in them. They don’t work half bad if you do that. But the advent of LEDs when it comes to Christmas lights, it’s huge. I’m going to talk a little bit about how you put those together and just some of the advents of, I guess you could say, technology, things that have been invented. The other thing, too, that’s happened is, as far as Christmas lights go, is just even the extension cord end of things. I was explaining to Larry earlier that They now have, and you don’t get these at the big box stores. Again, you have to buy these online. But you can custom make your own extension cords now. What I mean by that is you can buy the green two-wire cord, like what you would use for the lights themselves. Instead of running a big old extension cord, you buy a spool of that. You can buy it in 100 foot, 1,000 foot, depending upon what you want to do. And you literally can buy a pack of male and female ends. And it’s much like a scotch lock, only easier because they’re somewhat reusable. But you literally can say if you need a 13-foot extension cord to make everything work, for example, and you want to hide that or do whatever, you can make it exactly the length that you want to. You just roll that out, cut it to length, put two ends on it, you know, male and female. Voila, you’re done, and you’ve got a custom-made extension cord where you’re not running these big old, you know. And all these big box stores, they’re going to sell you the – The green cords and the orange cords and this, that, and the other. And every time you go to a big box store this time of year, you’re going to see an entire palette of extension cords. And when I look at those, I’m thinking, there’s a lot easier way to do that. So, again, I’ll explain a little bit more of that, how you can actually calculate, you know, your amperage and so on. And the reality is most of the websites or the places that you’re buying lights will actually tell you, but… The amount of draw in today’s LEDs versus what you used to do in incandescents, it’s a fraction. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. Larry and I did a little bit of math earlier. And you can run 1,000 of the small mini light LEDs. 1,000 of those only draws 0.8 amps and about 48, 45 watts is all. Yep. So 1,000 of them is less than a 60-watt light bulb. So that tells you the difference. So point being, if you’re running for Christmas on anything, any of the old incandescent lights, throw them away. Go buy some new LEDs. At the end of the day, what you’re spending in electricity cost to light those up will most likely in one season pay for itself. Because if you look at the math on Christmas, what that’s actually costing you, you can probably buy the new strings in one, if not two seasons versus what you’re doing right now. So throw those incandescent ones away.
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I could tell you horror stories about how high my electricity bill went from November to January just for Christmas lights.
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And it’s not the same anymore with LEDs. All right, we’ll come right back. If you’ve got questions, again, 303-477-5600. Comments, you want to add some things to that. Maybe there’s a trick that you’ve had when it comes to doing Christmas lights and even maybe the clips or how you put them on the roof or whatever. Give us a thought on that. And again, you can text us also, 307-282-22. This is Fix It Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Fix-It Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us today. Myself, Larry Unger, and we’re talking about Christmas lights. And Charlie, through the break there, wanted me to throw a few more things in here, too. We’ll talk about ladder safety and where to put plugs and things along those lines as well. First things first, if you’ve never done your house, a lot of you have. I’m getting several comments in of people making jokes about Christmas lights and so on. You don’t have enough lights unless they have to flick the auxiliary nuclear power, things like that. For those of you that have never done lights before, first things first. And AI, by the way, can help you with a lot of this. You can take a picture of your house, shove it into AI, and say, hey, decorate my house. Do my lights, whatever. It will do all that for you. So the biggest thing to do is figure out, okay, how much am I going to do? Where are you going to put things? What kind of lights do you want to use? What color do you want to use? In other words, kind of come up with a design. Don’t just – throw things up kind of decide you know what’s my theme here how do I want things to look you know do I want you know the house to be one color and the trees to be something else do you want everything to be together do you want multifaceted everybody’s different and you do it the way you want to do it but point being have a plan and then start measuring okay if you’re going to do the house in one color and you need to know how many feet of light you need to do that then you know you can do this on the ground you don’t have to get up and actually measure most of it you can Even if there’s a little ins and outs on your eaves or whatever, you can wing that and say, okay, if my house is, I don’t know, 60 feet wide and it’s 40 foot deep, okay, we’ll start doing the math on how many strings of lights you actually need to cover everything. And if you’ve got peaks and so on, and if you need to get on a ladder and do some measuring, you can. But all in all, figure out how many you need first. and get your design done so you know exactly what you’re doing. Now, you don’t need some professional to help you with that. And for some of you that can afford it, there are professional lighting companies that actually put Christmas lights up. It’s not cheap to do that. Most will have a – I’m guessing in most cases you’re going to spend – You have to buy the lights yourself, and you’re probably going to spend anywhere from $500 to $1,000 labor to put them up minimum, and it’ll just go up from there depending upon what all you do. The more you put up, the more expensive it gets. And a lot of your commercial buildings that you see around town, that’s exactly what they’re doing. Somebody is out there doing those. you know, being hired by the building owner or the property management company to get that done. So a lot of, um, a lot of money, a lot of expense when it comes to Christmas lights and things like that, but it’s the season and that’s what people enjoy. And, and again, figure out what it is you’re actually going to do when it comes to your lighting. And once again, not only the color, but what back to what Larry and I were talking about when we opened up this, this particular show, what size lights do you want to use? Um, They all look a little bit different depending upon how you want to do that. And you get a different look, in other words, with the C9s versus C7s and so on. So kind of decide on the front side, how do you want things to look? And then I’ll talk about how you actually wire things in and even give you some suggestions on plugs and so on as we continue on because I hate extension cords. Let me just say that. I am a extension cord hater. Go ahead, Joe.
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John, just for the people who are lazy and don’t want to get up on ladders, you know, we’ve gotten away from hanging lights. And there’s some pretty neat projectors you can get out there for anywhere from $15 to $45 that do kind of a waterfall, you know, kinetic display on the side of your house. True. And you’ve got all the different choices of different patterns, different colors. So, you know, I don’t think I’m ever going to hang another Christmas light again. Just going to stay with the projection. Now, yeah, you’ve got to run an extension cord out with a waterproof, you know, connection box to the plug. But, you know, John, I’m looking at the difference between my neighbors with static lights and we have this kinetic display in our house. And I actually think our kinetic display is more eye-catching and more appealing than just a static string of lights or even if you’re blinking.
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Do you have an opinion either way? Oh, I think that comes down to, you know, what do you want to do? And there’s a lot of people, Joe, that either A, for time, B, safety. I’ll talk about ladder safety in a moment as well. But, yeah, there’s a lot of folks, Joe, that just don’t want to get on a ladder. They don’t want to go all the expense because it’s much more expensive to hang lights on the house than it is to do it your way. And I think, yeah, they have come a long way as far as what you’re talking about. And, you know, bottom line is it’s giving people more and more choices.
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Yep. And, John, for stocking stuffers, Christmas is coming up. I got two little gizmos I just bought. Each one was $7. Sure. You ever try to, you know, you ever have to put a screw someplace, and you can’t get a screwdriver in? Yeah. I got a right-angle attachment for my drill. Oh, nice. So I want to put a screw in that. John, I think it was $7, you know, a right-angle, and all you need is a set of… uh shanks do you have one or ever used one i i have uh several adapters along those lines not the exact one you’re talking about but yes i have things to get into those tight spots and then they work great yeah and that’s a seven and then the other thing i got while i was at it they now make uh you can get a set of three magnetic uh screw holders for the end of your drill or the end uh So that, you know, ever try to hold a screw and you’re trying to go upside down or something, and then you poke it up, and then the screw falls off the end of the screwdriver, and then you’ve got to search around for it, or you’re trying to do it down in a hole. and that you can’t keep the screw on the end of the bit. And, John, for $7, I got three magnetic screw holders. The reason there’s three, three different head sizes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 14 :
So talk about stocking stuff.
SPEAKER 11 :
Those are great. The other thing I bought the other day, speaking of stocking stuff, I might as well throw this in, and I bought these the other day, and they’re super handy. They now make… Make sure I can explain this correctly. Like air fittings that are quick connect couplers, they make little holders that you can put your bits and things in, Joe, that are actually like on a key ring. You can kind of put that on your tool belt or hook it onto your drill or whatever and basically have an assortment of the bits that you would normally use that you’re normally shuffling around, always trying to find. You can literally, you know, because the end of that, like it goes in the end of your… Your driver, you know, it’s got the little indentation, so it’s like a quick coupler. You can stick your different bits in these little holders and have them with you at all times instead of always having to go back to your bag or your toolbox or whatever to get the next bit.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, and which reminds me, did you see the picture I sent you of that skill that had the swivel?
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Oh, yeah.
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Dual-bit swivel. And for those who don’t know what we’re talking about, skill makes a drill now that’s got a – At the top, it’s a little different than a regular drill. At the top, it’s got a pivoting head with two chucks or two chuck openings. On one side, you put your drill, and the other side, you put your screwdriver. So if you’re drilling holes and then you want to put the screw in, you drill the hole. Flip it around. Flip it around. So instead of having to unchuck the drill bit and chuck in the screwdriver bit, you just drill the hole, flip it around, hit the screw, go on to the next one.
SPEAKER 11 :
Or in a lot of cases, like me, you have a driver and a drill, which means now you’ve got two devices. This condenses everything down into one or consolidates it down into one.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and another, you know, it’s not a high-power thing, John. It’s just for doing… you know, screws into wood and whatnot, but I just thought it was slick. But, John, if anybody’s interested, go on Amazon, look for the right angle adapter for your drill for driving screws and a set of three magnetic holders for your screws for $14. You know, you got some, or if you got anybody who you think might enjoy those, like you got a son, you know, a son, a son-in-law, somebody, you know, those are two great tools.
SPEAKER 11 :
Never know what to buy for. Yeah, great idea.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right. Great. Joe, appreciate you as always. Great ideas. In fact, next week I think we’ll do a little bit on – I was going to reverse it. I was going to do some tool stuff today and then do Christmas lights next week. And I thought, well, if anybody wants to buy anything so they’re ready to go by Thanksgiving week because a lot of people hang lights over the – most people get a four-day weekend there, so some will hang lights over Thanksgiving or you’ll even start next weekend. I reversed that so that you’ve – Got some time if you want to actually buy some lights or order some lights or do something along those lines. You’ve not got the ability to do that. So let’s do this. Ladder safety. That’s something Larry probably can chime in as much as I can. But ladder safety is a big deal. Last thing you want to do, I’ve got this fear of heights. Probably not the fear of heights. It’s a fear of falling that I don’t like. And I’m very safe on ladders because I don’t like being on one. There’s not too many fears in life that I have. I don’t like heights. Now, I’m weird because once I’m up, like if I get on the roof, I’m fine on the roof. It’s getting up there that’s the problem. Or airplanes. Airplanes don’t bother me a bit. There’s things around me. I feel secure. I have no problem flying. I’ve even flown when I was a kid in an ultralight and things like that. Those don’t bother me. That height thing doesn’t bother me. It’s the ladder. thing that i don’t like i can even get in like a bucket and things like that and i don’t have any issues so a lift or a bucket and that doesn’t bother me that that that height isn’t a problem it’s the latter part of it that i don’t like because you know you hear all these horror stories of people falling off and it happens i mean i’ve known people where they fall off the ladder and i’m not joking here they’re never the same after I mean, they’ve had enough damage done. They break something. It doesn’t even have to be old. I’ve seen some very young individuals fall off ladders, and they’re never the same after that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 11 :
So what are some of the things, Larry, that you do to keep yourself safe when you’re on a ladder?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, basically, I make sure that it’s positioned correctly because you can’t just stick a ladder straight up and try to climb up on it. You’ve got to have an angle. I try to find a ladder that has a wide base at the bottom. If you have something that can hook to your gutter, that’s a plus. I’m like you. I don’t like ladders. I can use them, but I don’t like them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
But they are a necessary evil. As long as your ladder is firm before you start climbing on it, it will not kick out from underneath you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
But if you’re not careful and you get too much of an angle or not enough of an angle… Either way, the ladder can slip out or it can tip over on you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and the other suggestion I have for folks along the ladder safety end of things is, and I know this isn’t always available, but in a lot of cases it is. You’ve got a neighbor, a spouse, a child, something along those lines. If you’ve got somebody that can even stand at the bottom of the ladder and be there to help support it so nothing goes wrong, you’re much better off that way than trying to do it all on your own. So if you’ve got the ability to do so, please do so.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and also look at your ladder that you’re using because everyone will tell you how far up the runs you can walk. Some are all the way to the top and some are not. Correct. So be careful with that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and thank you, Larry. Yeah, read what’s on the ladder. That’s probably the first thing that we should talk about when it comes to ladder safety. What does your ladder say? How far up can you go? What kind of a ladder is it? Is it an extension ladder? You know, what is it when it’s all said and done? So… you know be really careful on the whole ladder end of things and also be careful where you place and we kind of mentioned this but be careful where you place the ladder in other words some areas of your house are going to be a lot more stable than others the gutter isn’t always the most stable place to actually lean the ladder up against for example depending upon where the gutter is at and what kind of wood it’s actually screwed into and in some cases the gutters are just sort of hanging there they’re really not you know They’re not a part of the house. They’re there to catch the water coming off the roof, and that’s really it. They’re not a structural component, if you would. And be really careful leaning your ladder up against the gutter because, in some cases, they’re not very strong either.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, not only that, but if you’re leaning your ladder up against the side of the house, if you have an electrical wiring going to your house, stay away from it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, that’s another one. If you’ve got overhead lines coming in, stay away from all of those things. Bottom line, and Charlie wanted to talk about this, is be very, very careful and be safe when you’re on a ladder doing anything along those lines. Again, I can’t tell you how many people through the years I have known whereby they have ended up falling off of a ladder, having something like that happen. And it’s detrimental to them and their family, by the way, when it’s all said and done. So, Jeff, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, good morning, gents.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good morning, Jeff.
SPEAKER 12 :
Regarding ladders, yeah, a seminal event in my life was watching a neighbor who was only 62 years old at the time. He was on, I think, the first or second rung of the ladder. He wasn’t even high up. But he fell back and didn’t even hit his head. He just jarred it. Oh, wow. It was enough to cause two brain bleeds, and it was touch and go for a while. So even just being up on the second rung of the ladder and falling back and not hitting your head can jar your brain case enough. So you need to really be careful. And the rule of thumb for positioning the ladder is four to one. If it’s a 10-foot tall ladder, you want it out two and a half feet.
SPEAKER 11 :
Somebody just said a quick rule of thumb, and I don’t know if this is true. I’ve never tried this. But the correct angle for the ladder is stand up with your arms extended.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m not tracking.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, I’m guessing if you’re standing at the ladder and you put your hands forward towards the wall or whatever you’re positioning it against, that’s the length of the ladder you want away from whatever it is you’re going to be leaning up against is what I’m guessing they’re saying.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, yeah, it depends on the height. I mean, you know, if you have a 20-foot extension, you’re going to want to go out.
SPEAKER 11 :
You want to go out a little further than that, correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, right. Yeah. Four to one, basically. Okay, four to one, okay. And the reason for that is that is that that gives you a maximum amount of downward pressure, and it’s still safe to get on the ladder. It’s not going to tip away from the house. So, you know, if you put your ladder out at a 45-degree angle and you try to climb that sucker, I think some of us have had experiences in our younger days of doing something foolish like that. Yeah. and having it slide out because you don’t have enough downward force. There’s more outward force.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think a lot of people feel like, well, I don’t want that thing standing upright as maybe you and I right now, Jeff, are talking. But you also don’t want it too far away because now that ladder can bend and then just continue to slide out from underneath you. To your point, you want the right pressure on it when you’re actually on the ladder. So it’s important to have that at the right angle, absolutely.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. And I may or may not have put it on the bed of a truck, a ladder on the bed of a truck.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, I have. I’ll be the first one to admit that. I’ve done that. Now, on the same token, I’m very safe. I always make sure the ladder is up against the forward part of the bed so that that ladder is not going to kick out any way, shape, or form. It makes getting on and off of it a little bit difficult because you’re kind of climbing around, you know, the… you know you’re having to probably start on the second or third run to actually do that jeff but no i you know there’s times where because of height or whatever i’ve had to to do that would i recommend it probably not although the truck in the way it’s positioned on the bed and so on it ain’t going anywhere right you’re probably safer there than on the ground you probably are i mean make sure that in park emergency brakes on whatever but that truck’s not going anywhere right and uh
SPEAKER 12 :
Two more things. You can buy those wide braces for the top of the ladder.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, yes, yes, I’ve seen those.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I have those for the top of the ladder. I don’t really use it anymore in the limited applications I use a ladder for.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s mostly for my large extension ladder, which hasn’t come down from the garden shed in years. Right. Yeah, those were good to stabilize it against the house to prevent it from sliding side to side.
SPEAKER 10 :
Great idea.
SPEAKER 12 :
And then for me, being of a certain age, but even when I was younger, you know, 20 years ago when I was putting an addition on a house – I always use the three-point rule. I would always try to have four points of contact, but I would never do anything that caused me to have fewer than three points of contact. You know, both legs and an arm, both arms and a leg, however you have to do it. You know, if you’re reaching with one arm and it’s disconnected, don’t step with a leg. Wait until you hold on with that arm and then raise your leg. Always have three points of contact. Good point. that eliminates a lot of inadvertent things that happen because you just weren’t, even if you’re not paying attention, if you’re paying attention to that, you’re probably going to be okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
Great point. Great point. Oh, and again, I’m glad Charlie said that because ladder safety, given all of what we’re talking about with Christmas lights and just, you know, even this time of the year, cleaning gutters and getting the leaves out and things like that. Yeah, ladder safety is a big deal. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 12 :
And for hanging on your gutters, too, there’s extending poles that you can get to go up 16 feet or so. Or you can, if you want to, you can stand on the ground and get the right kind of gutter hooks. You can hook up all your lights in your gutter and never leave the ground.
SPEAKER 11 :
True, true. Yeah, and for some of you that do trees and things like that, no need to, you know, same thing. You can use a long extension pole to actually hang the lights on the trees and stuff too, Jeff, to where you’re not on a ladder. And if you are, just use a shorter step ladder to get up a little bit and then use the pole. But, yeah, there’s no reason anymore to get a ladder out and get all the way to the top of the tree. The pole systems work so well.
SPEAKER 12 :
That was the hardest thing to do in Colorado Springs is to hang lights on a spruce tree. It was like, I hated it. Also, being the cheap Charlie that I am, you were talking about making your own extension cords. If you have old incandescent light strings and you’re just going to get rid of them, you can cannibalize those and save the long parts without lights and hook them together and make six-foot-long extension cords or so.
SPEAKER 11 :
Very true.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’ve done that multiple times, and that’s what I use outside, and they work really well.
SPEAKER 11 :
Very true. Great idea. Good stuff, Jeff. As always, appreciate you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 11 :
You’re very welcome. Good suggestions. John and Cheyenne, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, John. You were talking about ladders. Yes. I’ve got 10-foot ceilings on my second floor, and I invested. Now they’re about $300. is a set of scaffolds with wheels.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, nice.
SPEAKER 03 :
It goes anywhere from the lowest is two foot off the ground up to six foot off the ground. And, you know, I set that thing, you know, I’m six foot four. So if I set that thing at five feet, I can reach just about everything. And it’s nice because you have a solid work foundation. It’s got wheels on it that lock. And you could climb up. There’s a little hatch that you go through so you don’t have to climb up on the outside and swing around. And they have them at everywhere. Lowe’s, Home Depot, Harbor Freight, Menards, whichever one you want to go to. And if you’re a homeowner and you have higher ceilings, definitely a worthwhile investment to keep you from being on the ladder.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
When we were swapping out some windows on my first floor, but I had to get to the top, and it was easy to just have the scaffold there so I could stand up and through the trim around the top on the deck, and they just rolled it to the neck. It was nice. The other nice thing is it’s an extra, but they make a little tray that snaps on it so you can put all your tools on it. Like I said, that’s the safest thing. The other thing, Joe was talking about recommendations real quick. Best money I ever spent, it’s a 52-inch long straight edge slash clamp and this thing is if you need to rip a piece of plywood you snap this thing on both sides and it’ll get that you’ll get that perfect straight average every time every time yeah great idea and you get them i got mine at harbor freight it was less than 20 great idea and you know a lot of people like you know it’s if you’re not a professional carpenter to cut that piece of plywood in half with a circular saw and get that line perfectly straight if you’re not doing it every day it’s harder no you’re right this thing this thing you know you line it up you know the you know you offset it by the width of the base of the saw zip right through awesome and you could cut uh it is definitely and like i said harbor freight less than 20 bucks out back by the clamps it’s 52 inches long You can redo it, and the clamp’s movable. So say you’ve got to cut a two-foot piece in half or something, you can slide it all the way down to that. Nice. That’s one of the best toys I’ve bought. It’s not a toy, it’s a tool. No, it’s a tool.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s something you use, absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, when I was doing the inside of the barn and had a ripped sheet of plywood or OSB, which is what I sided the inside with, that thing was perfect. Later on, a couple of saw horses and… cut it to length and you were good to go that’s awesome very cool all right very cool yeah but the best uh my wife and i love this scaffold because if you got to paint a ceiling in a high room and you don’t want to use a pole that thing is the best even like in the in the garage right now if i’ve got one i’ve i’ve bought two because i’ve got some high stuff i had to do and that’s the other thing two of them will stack together and you can get up to 12 feet
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Sure. Makes sense.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. All right, John. You have a good rest of the day.
SPEAKER 11 :
You too, John. No, appreciate you very much. All right. We’ll take a quick timeout. We’ll come back, finish up this episode of Fix It Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 11 :
All right, we are back. Fix It Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Larry Unger. We’ve been talking about ladder safety. Somebody also asked, what do I think of some of the permanent type lighting? Jellyfish, some of the others, and that’s a brand name. And I will tell you, they’re slick. I love them, but they’re expensive. So if it’s something where you’ve got the budget and you want to do something more permanent where you’re not having to hang lights, but you can actually control the different seasons and what the lights look like and so on, you know what? Knock your socks off. But they are not expensive. So anytime you see those, just know somebody wrote a pretty decent-sized check to actually do that. Now, if you’re building a custom home, something like that, you want to incorporate some of that in on your build. That would be really the time to do it because it becomes very easy at that time. But, again, those are not cheap things to put up. Some of you are going to say, well, how do I know that? Because I’ve priced it. I’ve done it. I know the math and how it works, and it’s not an inexpensive thing to do. Now, one other thing. And I’m a big one on this. And this is not that expensive. And there’s lots of electricians that can help you with this. And sometimes you can even do it yourself if you’re handy enough. And that is if you put plugs in the right places. you know, an outlet, 120-volt outlet, if you put those in the right places, you don’t need to run much of an extension cord.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
And for some of you, depending upon, you know, what you’ve got going on and so on, now, there’s also other ways to cheat, and I’ve done this in the past, and sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn’t, but you can also take a lamp and take, you know, take the bulb out and screw a socket down in where you can actually plug a cord into there’s no bulb any longer actually some of them now you can put the bulb back in because they just make it you know makes it rise up and you can plug in most electricians and that don’t like what i just said because it’s kind of a cheesy way of doing things but again when we’re talking about running led lights out of it it’s not a huge issue it used to be no yeah it used to be a bigger deal with the other lights we had but and nowadays not a big deal so in some cases if you don’t have an outlet nearby and you want to cheat a little bit you can’t just remember that most of those types of outlets are controlled by a switch and you’ll have to figure out okay how am i going to control these you know timer wise and so on which unless you leave it on all the time and you know tape over where nobody ever shuts it off and Do some sort of a timer. And Larry and I were talking about that coming into the show as well. And a lot of folks still use timers, and that’s fine. I still use some manual timers in some places. Although, for the most part, the smart plugs, you can either make the outlet smart or you can plug an adapter that goes into the – These, you know, into the outlet itself and you plug whatever it is you’re going to plug into the top of that and that outlet, depending upon who makes it, there’s apps that control it and you literally can decide all sorts of parameters on how that outlet actually works, comes on a schedule, you name it, you can do with it anything you want. And they are super handy. So anymore, the need to actually have some sort of a dusk to dawn timer or something along those lines, just put a smart plug in and off you go. Now, where that’s not super handy is if you’re out and about and you can’t pick up your Wi-Fi signal, that gets a little bit more difficult. And some of the IT guys will tell you that that’s some of the ways that the hackers can get into the system. and through the back doors with some of those outlets and so on. But, you know, teach his own. I still use them. I never had any issues. But, again, teach his own on that end of things. So, Eric, we’ve got a few minutes left. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, hey, John. So on the idea of adding outlets, if you’re planning on buying a new home, even a tract home that’s under construction, ask your home builder. Absolutely. I’ve done that in the past.
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely, Eric.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, what was funny was when my wife and I bought our house, In 99, when we were speccing it, the gal at the design center, she says, so where do you want your outlets and how many outlets do you want? And my parents happened to be there with us, and my mom looked at the lady and goes, wait, you can do that now? Because when they bought a new home in the early 80s, that was like, yeah, you get outlets here, here, and there, and that’s all you get. And the girl says, oh, yeah, how many do you want? And my mom just looked at me and she said, let me see that list. She just started adding outlets. The only thing is that also depends on the honesty of the electrician and the home builder sometimes too.
SPEAKER 11 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, and by the way, you’re 100% correct on the whole adding outlets and so on. Those of you that are building homes and so on, absolutely think through that. And, Eric, that includes not only for the eaves with Christmas lights, but, hey, I’d like to have an outlet here because I might want to run an extension cord out this way or I might even want to put an outside outlet right outside the garage so when I’m going to vacuum the car out, I’ve got a shop vac outlet right there. I mean, all sorts of things along those lines, Eric, make that way easier.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, the only thing I wish that I would have done differently when we did ours was I could not add extra outlets in the garage. They would not let me because to add, I wanted four more outlets in my garage, and that would require a subpanel, and they wouldn’t do that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 04 :
And so after I moved in, I had it done. I traded with a neighbor once. over some other stuff. And as a guy bought the house next door to me, we basically swapped some, some expenses, but, uh, yeah, it’s that, that’s, that’s a great way to add some outlets, especially if you’re contemplating for the future. Um, you know, like you say, you know, you want to be able to vacuum the car, you want to be able to learn Christmas lights, uh, If somebody’s got a diesel pickup, wants to be able to plug in in the wintertime.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, good one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Got to make sure where your nearest outlet’s at.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep, good one.
SPEAKER 04 :
And make sure that the outlet can handle it, too.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and yeah, thank you for mentioning that. In some cases, you may want to even up the, in other words, not a 15 amp, but a 20 amp in if you’re looking at doing something like what you just said. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, so just to, and I was the one who sent you the auxiliary nuclear reactor. Awesome. You know, that movie has been on quite a bit the last week.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s hilarious.
SPEAKER 04 :
A few times, and as soon as it gets to that point, I turn it off because I just start laughing.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s hilarious. It really is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and kind of an aside to that, so back about 96, 95, 96, something like that, right after Christmas, the Rocky Mountain News ran a picture, and it showed a couple walking up to an old T-Bird, early 90s T-Birds, And the old man and the guy was stuffing Santa Claus into the trunk, you know, a plastic Santa Claus. And that was my in-laws. They had been at the store, and they had found these. Everybody was having their Christmas clothes out. They were sitting at Lowe’s, and they found this. And my in-laws walked out. My mother-in-law says, these aren’t going to fit in the trunk of the car. My father-in-law says, watch me. And just as he was getting ready to slam the trunk shut, the reporter took a picture and ended up quickly interviewing them for it.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s funny.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and we still have a clip of that article floating around somewhere. I get such a laugh out of that.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s awesome. Very cool.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you know, I don’t really decorate anymore for Christmas. I just kind of got away from it, honestly. It just doesn’t. I have too much other stuff going on sometimes. I look at it. Understandable. You know, I could do it now while it’s nice, but come mid-January when I’ve got to take it down. Yeah, that’s the problem. Probably a blizzard.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, you’re right. That is the issue.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I don’t want to get up on the ladder in a blizzard.
SPEAKER 11 :
Coming down is always one of the issues. I’m going to try to squeeze one more call in here, Eric, before the top of the hour. Jeff, go ahead, Jeff.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, your talk about outlets just reminded me, and I’ve done this myself. If you have an outlet on an exterior wall, on the inside of an exterior wall, all you have to do is punch through the other side, and you can connect the wire there to put an outlet on the outside, and you can have that up at the top or the bottom. So even in houses that are already constructed, that’s an option for you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good idea. Good idea. And in my opinion, there’s never enough.
SPEAKER 12 :
Nope.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s my opinion.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think you have to be careful. Make sure the GFI portion of that.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right. Yes. Yes. And again, for those of you that are handy, look at the code. Make sure you’re doing things correct. The last thing you want is to go sell the house and have a violation or something along those lines that you’ve got to fix down the road. So just make sure you’re doing all that correct on the front side.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, not only that, but if your house catches fire, your insurance may not cover it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, make sure you’re dialed in. Absolutely. Jeff, appreciate you, though. Thank you very much. Great, great suggestion on that. OK, we’ll probably finish up a couple more thoughts on Christmas lights next Saturday. Also get into some tool suggestions as we head down the stretch. And, you know, Black Friday is coming around and folks will be looking for things to buy for that hard to buy person. And somebody said a moment ago that, you know, tools are just like, you know, toys for big kids. True. I’ll vouch for that. Yeah. As a tool junkie myself, yes, I will vouch for that. So, guys, that’s it for Fix It Radio. Don’t forget, you always go to the website fixitradio.com, find previous episodes there, and share those with others. And anything you want to hear us talk about, please send us a text message or contact us on the website itself. But this is Fix It Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 02 :
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