SPEAKER 05 :
I can’t hide myself I don’t expect you to understand I just hope I can explain What it’s like to be a man It’s a lonely road And they don’t care about what you know It’s not about how you feel But what you provide inside that hole
SPEAKER 07 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
This is Andre with Advanced Tech. I’m Brock. This is part-time Truth, part-time Janitor, and I’m going to be pretty busy with this holidays coming up.
SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
that’s yeah yeah that’s thank you guys for that and um let’s get into the show if it’s meant to be it will be is that a true statement do you let me ask to go along with that do you guys believe in predestination or do you think everything’s just kind of chance or you got your own free will and your own free moral to things well i think i’m i’m in between both
SPEAKER 14 :
I think your actions can cause certain things to come into your life. On the other hand, I think you are predestined for certain things in your life also. For example? I think you’re predestined. The Lord says you’re predestined knowing him to do his will.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wait, wait, wait. So basically you’re telling me that… People that don’t know the Lord, they’ve been predestined to not know the Lord. Is that what you’re saying? Yeah, that’s biblical. Really? Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I believe it said, what does it say on Proverbs? Like, don’t shorten your life, you know, with wisdom. So I think that you can do some things that could shorten your life.
SPEAKER 13 :
To back him up with scripture, man, it’s who are we to say against the potter if he created us for, you know, one vessel for honor and the other for dishonor.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I’m disagreeing with you, too. Hold on, because I strongly want to believe in predestination, too, but the problem is if a young man or young woman is born into an environment where it’s poverty-stricken… They may very well turn to a life of drugs and violence. But here’s the problem. If they go to prison and they get out and they got a felony, were they predestined to always be stuck with a felony or a misdemeanor for the rest of their life?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, don’t we all have choices? We all have our actions.
SPEAKER 03 :
So you believe in free will more than predestination?
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah, of course.
SPEAKER 13 :
I know a crazy cat who was probably predestined to be imprisoned, and his name was Joseph, and he wore a coat of many colors. He didn’t grow up in a drug-infested environment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you think he was predestined to be the second in control of Egypt, basically? It came to him in visions and dreams, man.
SPEAKER 13 :
By the Lord.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is deep. Because if we’re going to talk about predestination like that, then we also got to go down the road. Was the devil predestined to be the devil?
SPEAKER 12 :
Good question. He wasn’t born as the devil. He made himself into the devil when you think about it because he was a fallen angel.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, pride got a hold of him. Haughtiness goes before a fall.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. Because when it comes down to free will, a lot of people don’t believe in predestination. And I’m like, Brian, I go back and forth on this because I have to think to myself, like, there’s sometimes things happen in my life that I kind of just throw out my arms. And I’m like, if it’s going to happen, it’s going to happen. Was that predestined?
SPEAKER 12 :
well chosen before the foundation of the world appointed to eternal life yeah you know for you so i mean all those things are in the bible you know it speaks of it so so okay so what do you what you know so roman says for those god foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son
SPEAKER 03 :
And if anybody knows more than us, call at 303-477-5600. Heath.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’d like to say something because I was thinking about this when I thought about Brian when I was in the restroom.
SPEAKER 04 :
Before I came up here.
SPEAKER 13 :
The janitor. And I washed my hands. Thank God. But what I was thinking is maybe the crux is this, is that we think that it is incongruent when we put it up against free will. Does free will trump the predestination, or is it that we just don’t fully understand what it is to have free will in it? And the scripture that I’d like to use is about Pharaoh. how I believe he is predestined to be who he was for the sake of people to know how to follow God and see that God is God and Pharaoh was not God. But God expedited for him into that already predestined. But he made a choice, though. It was free will to choose how he wanted that to go down. It was going to go down.
SPEAKER 03 :
But then if you believe that, then so many men on this planet are like, why should I get married? Because 50% of all men that get married are going to divorce. That seems like that’s predestination. So why in the world would you even want to get married nowadays?
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s where I kind of disagree with you. I don’t think this is predestination. I think it’s probabilities. Probabilities basically say, yeah, well, if your dad, you know, Didn’t court you know your mom or you know cuz dads are examples for their children, etc You know the probability of you having a failed marriage You know is greater than you know the the better example, right?
SPEAKER 13 :
There’s a good example and then there’s poor examples fatherhood Yeah, or first comes marriage then comes wait first comes love then comes marriage then comes the baby in the baby carriage But we all twist that around It’s like, first comes sex, then comes a baby, then we’re like, what?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, but think about this. If you, honestly, if your environment, oh, how’s it going? It’s going good.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s True Daddy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, hey. Say hi to your dad. Tell us, what do you think about this? Do you think people have their own choices, or do you think a lot of it’s just destiny?
SPEAKER 06 :
Man, you have to really discern the difference between predestined and picking your own path or what God has given to you, your own choice. If it’s predestined, is it really your own choice?
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s a good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s a good point. So, I mean… It really depends on what you really believe in, you know. Was I predestined to be truth daddy?
SPEAKER 03 :
Thanks for calling, man. Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right. I mean, he brings up a good point because the Bible says that none should perish but have everlasting life. So none should perish. So he says that the Lord won’t come until everybody’s heard the word. You see what I’m saying? So everybody has that chance. Everybody has… Their free will.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do they really though?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Do they? Yeah. They had to be judged by the word. So that means that you’ve had that opportunity to accept it, to believe it or to receive it or to reject it. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, then that would, that would fall on the same lines of basically like what that, and that’s a good point. Brian’s bringing up. But look at society and the way that it dictates things. If you generally, and there’s statistics, mad statistics on this, that if you’re growing up in a poverty stricken home, poverty stricken neighborhood, your chances of going to prison are like 60, 70% higher than somebody who’s growing up wealthy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, see, I disagree with that because if you continuously see people getting shot, people going to prison, you would think you would wake up and in your mind have some smarts and say, you know what? That’s not for me. That’s not the life I want. I got to do something to change my habit.
SPEAKER 12 :
Again, again, it’s going back to whether you had a good daddy or a bad daddy.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, realistically speaking, right? Like if you have a good example, these are examples one way or another. All of us are an example to someone or some people, whoever we’re around, somehow we influence them and they influence us. So when you’re living in a poverty-stricken area, if these things of watching your parents passed out, you know, from a party, or if they were even parents, right, or just a mom or some random dude that just shows up, you know, that’s the lifestyle they learn. Whereas, you know, when you’re wealthy, most wealthy dads will teach their sons. It’s a biblical principle when you think about it, you know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so for example, let’s take what just happened with the SNAP benefits. For what was it, for a month, a month and a half, people did not get food. So if you take some guy, some single dad, he’s been incarcerated, got out, got his kids, it’s all him. And now all of a sudden he ain’t got a job, can’t feed his kids, and he turns around and goes into a store and loots for groceries. I mean, is he at the wrong? I mean, because now he’s been like choices out the window. It’s almost like his fate has been predestined without him even given the option.
SPEAKER 13 :
Circumstances, and everybody needs to know this about life, circumstances change.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, that’s deep.
SPEAKER 13 :
Circumstances change. And you can change your circumstances, the things that are around you, the things that you’re affected by, all of that, by making a concerted effort.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that’s what truth is kind of saying, too.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I will say that it’s faith without works is dead. So you can’t just have faith, blind faith.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’ve got to put in a little bit of work. Yeah, see, he’s making a good point. I mean, you can’t sit at home, pray to the Lord, hey, bring me a job, and you ain’t trying to go look for one. They act like it’s just going to show up to their door, which it could. Isn’t that what happened to you, though? Are you talking about yourself? I mean, it could. It could happen. But the possibilities that it doesn’t is way greater. I mean, how are you going to go find a job? How are you going to pray for a job but not go look for one? And it’s just going to show up, which it could.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it could. You know, I don’t doubt that. I’m with you on that. There’s a probability. You have to go work.
SPEAKER 14 :
If you pray for a job, I mean, the Lord’s going to not just bring you the job. He’s probably going to give you an idea. He’s probably going to give you wisdom of what you have to do to get that job. Well, you got to pray for wisdom, too. The Bible says that.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, yeah. Yeah, that lacks.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but the Bible also says, I create light, I create darkness. Yep, it does. So, I mean, when does… Your life being predestined no longer fit the equation and it’s just all your choices. For example, let’s take Jacob and Esau. Esau didn’t have an option from the very beginning. It was spoken to him that he was going to be doomed.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, but how’d that turn out for him, even though he was hated by the Lord?
SPEAKER 12 :
He was still blessed.
SPEAKER 13 :
He had so many goats. He had so many chickens. And that was wealth back in the day. Yeah, he had so much wealth that he turned down his brother’s offer to him so that his brother wouldn’t get, you know,
SPEAKER 03 :
And anybody who knows more than us, call at 303-477-5600. We’re talking about is predestination in a person’s life, is it really happening?
SPEAKER 13 :
What if the predestination for all of us is greatness, like because we have God in us? But many of us don’t take up that cross.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, think about this.
SPEAKER 13 :
We don’t walk that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. It’s almost like speaking that life into that. That’s a good point you brought up. We have God in us. What makes us a mediocre person or mediocre Christian or whatever the case may be? Is it a choice? Is it you basically always downing yourself and saying that, you know what, I can’t do this. I could try, but I doubt I’ll get it. I mean, you’re putting those words out there.
SPEAKER 13 :
Guess who’s in the ear of that individual. That’s the kill, steal, and destroy. That’s the one that’s trying to burn us down.
SPEAKER 03 :
So basically what I hear you saying is that words can dictate your situation and bring a part or play a part in like your destiny. Cause you know how some people believe, um, like I said at the start, they, they say this, if it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’s kind of cliche. I see. And I don’t like people think their destiny is already up front of them.
SPEAKER 12 :
I feel that’s a lazy statement. Okay, okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, it’s c’est la vie. Yeah. Whatever will be will be. So it’s the French, man.
SPEAKER 14 :
Don’t listen to the French. Hey, I’m actually living that way right now. What do you mean? Well, if it’s meant to be me to be rich, well, it will happen. Instead of me going and doing something about it, I’m just sitting around saying, well, if it’s going to be, it’s going to be, and it’s going to happen. And you broke as a joke. No, I’m just kidding. Trying to take it by the horn and say, you know what? I’m going to be rich. I’m going to go do something about it.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m sitting at home waiting. I want to pat B on the back for that because that’s actually a far cry from the crying, like the whining, the woe is me, never for me, all that stuff. That’s in the right direction.
SPEAKER 14 :
It is. Oh, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because then comes positive mindset of fruitful speech and stuff. Power of life and death are in your tongue. Those that love it eat its fruit. So speak good of yourself and others.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s just amazing how words can affect, like, especially men. I think as men, I think we’re harder on ourselves than anything.
SPEAKER 12 :
So never try, never fail. What are your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 13 :
No. Yeah, that’s kind of close to it. What is that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Never tried, never failed. I’m living that too, man. I’ve never tried anything.
SPEAKER 03 :
So the process of transformation occurs due to the perception of the world, which is acquired knowledge from their environment. Um, children are born with the virtue of goodness. Nevertheless, factors such as psychological and upbringing will dictate or transform, um, who a person is and will transform their morality.
SPEAKER 13 :
So nature versus nurture, right? Like environment. And yes, while I believe the environment has and does play a big role, I’m an example of an environment playing a role in my life, right? Of our formative years when we’re young and what we take on. And a parent could say something that would build up another child, but I might have taken it very personally. it might have hurt me deeper and that’s just my makeup but it’s because like Myron Golden says it’s either working on you or it’s working for you so things don’t always have to work out but if you recognize that they’re working on you to make you better
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, sorry, going back to what you said about, like, maybe schools that are, you know, in poverty-stricken areas. Think about that, too. You know, a lot of these teachers are just passing kids. They have not learned the English. I mean, they haven’t learned, what is it, languages or, you know, math, science, etc., They’re basically being passed through and how unfair the disadvantage of that alone. That’s where someone, it’s not even, you know, predetermined. It’s just a mere fact that you’re living in the wrong area. So that is the nature versus nurture too, you know.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because there was no pressure to form them into a diamond or refining fire to make them gold.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because I often wonder, like, what’s the point of guys? We’re the guys perspective. So we deal with guy issues. What’s the point of being a guy if there’s so many men out there can’t get it right? And it seems like everything they touch falls apart. They would start to think, hey, I’m predestined to just have a crappy life.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that’s crazy, too. But life does throw life is just unfair in general. Like, think about I don’t care what you say. Nature teaches that the Bible says nature teaches us so much. And if we can understand and get a grasp at life just isn’t fair, because nature is not fair, right? When the lion goes to, you know, eat, you know, you’re, you’re, the lion eats a defenseless animal. That’s true. That’s true. So why should we think that everything in life should be fair? That’s a statement that just in itself is wrong. It could be, but it’s not.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because if we, God, see, I toss with this because if predestination was not real, then why are there so many men that are without hope? I mean, think about our incarceration rate is higher than any country worldwide. on the planet. Well, close to it. It may not be the highest. It’s close. It’s pretty close.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s an industrial complex. I don’t think you’re predestined to go to jail.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, I do. I do. No, I don’t. By your environment, I think so.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, by your own choices. You got to have responsibility for your actions.
SPEAKER 03 :
You didn’t choose to come on this planet, though.
SPEAKER 14 :
Bro, listen. Okay. Do you know the story? You know about, who was the, Jeffrey Dahmer?
SPEAKER 03 :
Hold on. This is really good. People call at 303-477-5600.
SPEAKER 14 :
Hey, there’s a story about Jeffrey Dahmer, and we all know what this man’s crimes he committed. You know his mom invited him to church before he went out, and he told her no. How do we know that? Because I know about his story. So his mom was… I don’t remember what kind of denomination or church she went to, but she invited him to go to service, and he didn’t. And he ended up… That was his first kill that he performed.
SPEAKER 10 :
Man.
SPEAKER 14 :
It was right after… His grandma invited him to church.
SPEAKER 03 :
And listen, people, fact check that. Call us at 303. So would you say that’s a choice?
SPEAKER 14 :
Isn’t that a choice? You’ve been offered a choice.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t believe everything’s a choice, guys. Okay, Andre.
SPEAKER 12 :
I forgot. I was going to refute what you were going to say. You know, truly, like, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer, he basically, I think there was way more going on. And he had brain, I think he had some damage to his brain, et cetera, you know. But that’s why I don’t think you’re comparing apples to apples with, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer was a unique case.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but he was a sicko at the end of his day.
SPEAKER 12 :
There’s not a lot of serial killers. Like, I don’t think of killing, you know, the actor here or the janitor, you know, and eating their bodies.
SPEAKER 03 :
Who doesn’t? Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER 13 :
Bite me.
SPEAKER 03 :
So when I think about predestination, I think that here it is. Okay, let me read this. Some studies show that a boy from a family that is at the bottom 10%, of income, that person’s chance of going to prison when they’re in their 30s is 20 times greater. These are statistics. Think about that. 20 times greater than somebody who is grown up behind a gated community.
SPEAKER 12 :
So you’re saying that’s predestination. I don’t believe that at all. I think, again, it’s very societal. I mean, what chances has he not been given? You know, the things that I’ve learned, you know, watching my own children grow The way they’re teaching them.
SPEAKER 03 :
And people, this is good. Call it 303-477-5600. This is really good.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s not the same where I learned. I mean, where I learned it was not a great school. It just wasn’t. But my children, I deliberately made a choice to move into a better area, you know, to make sure that their school is not what I had. When I was a child. And that’s not predestination. That was a choice.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, he makes up a great point. He said, out of all the people that have went to prison, I mean, if we could interview them and find out how many chances, like you’re saying, did they have to turn another direction.
SPEAKER 03 :
Heath, that’s deep. You guys are deep. You guys are good. People, listen, this is good conversation. Call 303-477-5600. I want to make a hard left turn here. Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
Hard left turn. You’re not a leftist, are you? No, I’m not. He’s not, all right. I’m none of them. I’m none of them. But to that c’est la vie, you know, whatever will be will be, there’s a phrase in, like, acting world, which is no publicity is the only bad publicity. which, think about it, the only people who have ever made it on the map in way of stories that we tell or media that we see are either the people who have done really great things or the people who have done really great atrocities. That’s true. You can be famous and infamous. Exactly. So look at the infamy of some of these people, predestined or not. It’s like a call. It’s not a call. It’s a desire, a deep desire for people to be seen or heard.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think that’s a good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
You guys are deep.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I think, you know, I’m just going to say it like it is. I think predestination is a dirty word. You know, it’s not right. You know, think about it. If I thought that somehow, let me just say I put it in my mind that I’m not predestined to go to heaven or not predestined into greatness. I mean, why even try? You know, I don’t want to digress. Yeah, but you also got to understand this.
SPEAKER 03 :
If God knows everything, Why create humanity if you know they’re going to go to hell anyway? Exactly. That, to me, is predestination. There are people out there that life circumstances are so bad for them that they turn around and commit suicide because they don’t know any other way.
SPEAKER 13 :
How many is every? How many?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, how many is every?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, if you think about this, listen, guys, if you really dive into this, what is the point of creation if God already knows what you’re going to do?
SPEAKER 14 :
So was Paul predestined? He was walking down the road of Damascus, and the Lord showed up out of the clouds.
SPEAKER 03 :
He was predestined to be Paul. Didn’t his name get changed to Paul?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. But the reason I was saying every, oh, how many is every? Every is everyone, right? So it says in Scripture that every tongue shall confess, every knee shall bow.
SPEAKER 03 :
How’s it going, Derek?
SPEAKER 11 :
Tell us, buddy. Hey. All right. Hey, first off, I’m listening to you guys off and on as best I can, you know, in between work, but I’m hanging the interior of my house. You decided to turn us on today. Right on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 11 :
First off, you guys are awesome. I love it. I love this is always the classic Calvinism, Arminianism debate, but I love the idea of, you know, A, we’re not going to solve it today. You know what I mean? Like a bunch of old guys tried to solve it for years, but… I love the idea, though, even my hardcore Calvinist friends have always said, we still don’t know what God has planned. So we still treat it like we don’t know because we don’t know. God’s still in control. No matter what he does, he always is in control. And so whether it is one side of the coin or the other, it doesn’t matter. I mean, it’s always been my, you know, Joy in that, you know what I mean? And understanding that that is so above my pay grade. Right. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
So Derek, do you mind just asking?
SPEAKER 03 :
So do you believe in predestination or you don’t, or.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, what’s kind of interesting. I grew up in a, you know, without going in super theological, I grew up in a, became more of a, uh, became born again believer in a Calvary chapel movement, which is very Arminian. We’ve been going to a more reformed church, which is much more Calvinist, which is more predestination. And what is surprising to me, and I have a lot of heart for both sides, is When I hear their conversations about this, they actually say the same things without even realizing it. Wow. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does.
SPEAKER 13 :
Wow. Absolutely. I think that echoes in a lot of capacities where people don’t see eye to eye. They’re just seeing it from a perspective, Derek.
SPEAKER 12 :
And usually it’s the same complaint.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s really fun. I have some really good friends. You’ll spend hours, again, in love with each other. You’re like, we are also like with the heart of knowing that I could be wrong either way, but you’ll spend hours trying to figure it out. And the best part is at the end of those pearly gates. Yeah. God’s going to tell you either way. And you’ll be like.
SPEAKER 03 :
Derek, thank you for calling, man. Yeah, thanks, Derek. That was really, really good. That was a good caller, guys. Yeah. Thank you, Derek, for listening.
SPEAKER 13 :
And he’s right. I can harken back to biblical. I know we’ve got to go to a break here, but harken back to biblical, which is that.
SPEAKER 03 :
We’ll see everybody on the other side. Hold that, Heath, and we’ll be back. People, this is really good. So call at 303-477-5600. Depart from me. I don’t expect you to understand.
SPEAKER 05 :
I just hope I can explain what it’s like to be a man. It’s a lonely road.
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SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 07 :
Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real life topics that men today are dealing with, whether married, single parent, or just single. We invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
SPEAKER 03 :
How’s it going, everybody? This is KLZ 560 AM. A guy’s perspective. Yes, a guy’s perspective. You can reach us at 303-477-5600. We’re talking about predestination or free will. What is really the difference between predestination and free will? Predestination is the before ordaining of all that will happen. Free will is the power of actions without the constraint of necessity or fate. The ability… to act at one’s own discretion. That’s the difference between these two.
SPEAKER 13 :
When Derek left the call, thank you for calling me, Derek. When he left the call, man, it just reminded me of some of the scripture, and I know there’s a few of them, but to sum them up in a nutshell, it’s that there’s going to be people that we didn’t think would be in heaven that are in heaven. And some of those that thought they were going to go to heaven don’t go to heaven.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. That is deep. That’s very deep. I never thought about that.
SPEAKER 13 :
So nobody knows the day or the hour. Nobody knows who’s saved, who’s not. But I will say this because I saw like a TikTok, man, and somebody had said this, that while all of mankind fell through one, all of mankind is saved through Christ. That’s right. So there’s a possibility we’re all going to make it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, check this out. Many are called, but few are chosen. Many are called, but few are chosen. What are your thoughts? It’s in the Bible.
SPEAKER 13 :
I don’t know why that sounded like a military call. Be all that you can be. Many are called. But few are chosen.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, if you think about predestination, because I – Hold on. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Let me get back to this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sorry.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right. So many are called, but few are chosen. That’s what the scripture tells us, right? Yes. So what if I, with my free will, say, well, I am the chosen. I will be the chosen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
So many are called, but few are chosen. But I choose to be chosen. I’ll tell you what, there’s power in that, in my opinion. So they’re both. Yeah. Both make it. Exactly. Is that what you’re saying? No, many are called, but few are chosen. I think that everyone will be called.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, Stacey. Hey, Stacey, how’s it going? Talk to us.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good. First, would you guys, and I have a few things, so don’t cut me off. No, no, we’ll listen. First, when you guys cite your… references to scripture, could you, um, cite the passage, you know? Okay. Yes, we will.
SPEAKER 12 :
We will. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. Thank you. And then you guys seem awfully knowledgeable. I’ve never heard guys talk about the Bible and actually, you know, I can’t tell you, I’m trying to get through Daniel now and I couldn’t tell you if you know what you’re talking about or not, but you at least give the impression that you do. So cite those if you can. And then, I heard that you were giving, you’re telling somebody that they live with their mom and kind of chiding them over that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We’re all, just to kind of give you a feedback, we’re all really close friends. And so our show, we kind of joke around every once in a while before we get super serious.
SPEAKER 13 :
We should probably shame ourselves.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Stacey, sorry. Go ahead, Stacy. Yes, Stacy. Stacy, are you there? Are you still there? I think we… Hello?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Does he actually live at home with his mom? Do you want to answer that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Go ahead and talk to her, Drew. Stacy, I actually do.
SPEAKER 03 :
He takes care of his mom and the whole…
SPEAKER 08 :
I want to tell you something on that. And also, is Truth Daddy Truth’s daddy?
SPEAKER 03 :
Man, you are listening to us. So Truth’s daddy is not, no, he’s not Truth’s daddy. Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
Which is another running joke, Stacy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because it’s Brock’s brother.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Oh, it’s Brock’s brother? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yes, yes, yes. So…
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, all right. So for another time, because I actually have some more. First, on the mom thing, you know, I get that guys do chiding and all that. And really, you ought to think about, too, if it’s actually, like, helping him or not. You know, it’s all good to joke until the joke goes away. too far kind of thing that’s good guys just some just something to think about and then to whoever that is that is actually living at home with their mom you know other cultures that’s respected you know this is true we didn’t think about that living in a house they have multiple generations living in in a house and you’re talking about how men are kind of lost i i would say that you know, you can go both sides. Should men be living at home with their mom or not? You can do both sides and you can make legit arguments. But I would say that, especially if she’s elderly, you know, standing by your parents as they age, we don’t necessarily value that in our country. And I think we should. So I think on, you know, fight them all you want and also realize that there’s a lot of respect in that, that he’s standing by his mom. And I think he said that she had been in bad relationships or something. So he’s mirroring for her, like it or not, whether he’s living at home with her, he’s mirroring for her what a real man should do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, Stacey, I do stay at home to help my mom because she is 80 years old, so I do help her in that aspect. But it’s good and bad because… because I get treated as a kid still sometimes instead of being treated as an adult. So it’s good and bad. But I do stay with my mom to help her out.
SPEAKER 03 :
You are a kid, man. Stacey, he’s the big baby boy. Stacey, you made a really good point. This is an excellent call. She said in some cultures, it’s commendable. They stay home. Thank you for calling. We didn’t even think about that, and we will start quoting the Scripture.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, our culture, Brock, the problem is our culture, we need, on so many levels, a massive shift. And I would say on that front, look to Japan, because we have immigrants here from… Japan, and I talked to one girl, and she was saying, it was three of us having a conversation, and she was like they were back home not respectful of her being over here building a career because she wasn’t taking care of her parents, and she was really struggling with that. So, I mean, it’s a balance between what we’ve got here and what we’ve got where they actually respect their elders. So we need, you know, we need a change on that. And then the other thing I want to say is that on this whole – felony thing. Brock, you are, there’s again, arguments on both sides and Brock, I’m telling you, you are on the money. And instead of talking about how bad our military industrial complexes, I think some of you said you’re related to cops. We need you standing up and changing it because Brock is speaking truth. And so I know people who have had charges trumped up and I, I have like so many records I can’t count now that have been falsified and and they refuse to correct them. So let’s get to work on that and then out there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Stacey, thank you so much for your call, Stacey. Thank you. Man. Dude, she brought up some really, really interesting points, guys. She was bringing up past shows.
SPEAKER 13 :
If there were a Jeopardy on our show, she would win it.
SPEAKER 03 :
But guys, she brought up a good point. From now on, whenever we do a scripture, we have to quote where we got the scripture from. Because we know so much Bible, all five of us. Reno’s not here today, so we want to give a shout out to Reno. How many times do you think you’ve read the Bible through?
SPEAKER 13 :
I’ve read it through 15 times. Easy. I’ve read it through seven times. And, yeah, to give you the encouragement and vote of confidence, there’s many ways that we can listen and read and just have it in the background. But I’ve read it seven times, read the Tanakh two times, and listened to it, the Bible, end-to-end 30-plus times.
SPEAKER 12 :
How many times have you read it through? Well, I haven’t read through that many times, but, you know, I’ve been pretty diligent, you know, in seeking out what the scripture should say or not should say, but. You know, I’ve read it through, you know. Brian, how many times have you read it through?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I’ve read it through a few times, but I, you know, I jumped from here to there.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, guys, and we’ll get back on the topic, but because she mentioned we need to give the Scripture, what would you say, like, okay, so, because Stacey made a good point, because that’s something we don’t do. We do not normally cite the Scripture that we give, and we’ll start doing a better job at that.
SPEAKER 13 :
But I want to say, man, like, one of the things is what I’ve found, and Stacey, I know you’re still listening. What I’ve found is the more that you read, the more that the Spirit absorbs so that it comes up in the moment of speaking that nobody can refute or deny. So it’s almost like mine is like Spanglish. Like I don’t speak Spanish, but I can speak Spanglish. And so my Bible speech and my Bible talk is usually it just wells up out of me so I don’t know the Scripture to cite it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Guys, you heard her. She said I was on point. So that call was predestined. That call was predestined, man.
SPEAKER 04 :
I heard her say that Brock knows it.
SPEAKER 03 :
But back to what we were saying, guys. So it says individuals prior to their arrest typically have a medium… annual income that is significantly lower than 40 to 60% lower than people who, you know, have an education.
SPEAKER 14 :
What does this have to do with predestination?
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s what I’m talking about. When a person, I believe people that grow up in society that have felonies and things like that have been predestined. Like she said, people are up in charges already. On them. So to me, it seems like our system is predestined to send people to jail to cause their lives to fail.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, I think the system is also made, you know, pretty black and white where they care less whether to destroy someone’s life. Oh, you know, just with, you know, a judgment or whatever the case may be. I think, you know, the United States is, you know, statistically one of the countries that they can sue for no, no, they can have a frivolous lawsuit at any time, any place. And, you know, if you don’t have the money, then you’ll lose.
SPEAKER 03 :
People call us at 303-477-5600.
SPEAKER 14 :
If you’re saying you’re predestined to go to prison, where does temptation come in all that? So if you’re predestined to go to jail for robbery, where does the temptation in for you to go commit those crimes come in at all?
SPEAKER 03 :
But I think you’re missing what I’m saying by predestination. I’m saying a young man who’s growing up. he didn’t have the choice to be born to his mom that’s on drugs he’s born he’s now born into a society that doesn’t care about him people listen to me when a person the child support industry says it’s about the children that’s a lie society says it’s about people that’s a lie it’s about the dollar bill what you can provide for somebody is dictated by a dollar sign well i do i don’t have that dollar sign attached to you and you go and stand in front of a judge because you committed a crime you are going to go to jail because you can’t afford bail you can’t afford this you can’t afford that so your life is now being predestined by a judge who’s probably going to lock you up for 30 years but why did you allow that to me but that’s how i
SPEAKER 14 :
But why did you allow yourself to get to that place you were going before the judge?
SPEAKER 03 :
Because you grew up in an environment that wasn’t conducive to who you are as a human being.
SPEAKER 12 :
Again, it’s probability, man. Realistically speaking, the reason why they have these statistics, and you can lie with statistics, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
You can.
SPEAKER 12 :
There’s even a book that says you know how to lie to statistics. That’s the truth. um the statistics are on that way because they made a determination well you know what there’s a percentage of people that live inside low poverty or low income places and and like brian is saying this is something where they can’t or what you were saying you can’t afford to to buy whatever a loaf of bread or whatever the case may be some people will use that to say you know what i’m going to go ahead and steal this because like robin hood Because I’m going to steal from the rich and give to the poor. That is deep. I mean, are they predestined to do that? No.
SPEAKER 13 :
But who’s going to have the empathy or the heart for the poor except for the poor that makes it out of it?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, my God. You’re right.
SPEAKER 14 :
But that’s a deep question what you just said right there, Dave. But how many of those people weren’t given a word before they committed these crimes? Maybe through their grandparent. Maybe through their mother or father that told them, hey, do this, do this. They didn’t accept it. They didn’t apply it. So the outcome was going to jail. They could have told them, hey, stay in school. Do your homework. Stay off the streets. Stay away from that kid you’re hanging out with.
SPEAKER 13 :
But B, it’s the intensity of the earlier rather than the latter. So instead of the one person telling them a good thing, it can’t trump the 47 people telling them a bad thing.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re a loser, you’re a loser, you’re a loser. And one person’s like, you’re a winner. I see that. You know, the problem with that statement is you have to be able to have the mind to receive that. Some people, unfortunately, you can tell them, tell you they’re blue in the face that, you know what, God’s going to love you. God doesn’t walk away from you. God doesn’t turn away from you. But you can talk to them blue in the face. And unless they’re willing to accept that. they’re stuck. They’re literally stuck in that mindset. It’s a mindset.
SPEAKER 13 :
Mindset.
SPEAKER 12 :
Brian.
SPEAKER 14 :
Or stubbornness. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, that’s deep, too. Mindset, though. That’s deep, too. I don’t know who it was that said this, but it was about the mind is like, you got to think of it like land that can be cultivated.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
And it doesn’t matter what you give it, it’s going to produce that thing.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, my God. I don’t get what he’s saying on that one.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, and people, if you know more than us, call at 303-477-5600. This is such a good topic, dude. Guys, because think about this, what you just said. Now we’re talking about the mind now. That changes everything. You know what I’m saying? Because doesn’t the Bible say, and somebody bring up the scripture for Stacy, as a man thinketh, so he is.
SPEAKER 12 :
If all you’re thinking is… That’s in Proverbs. That is a proverb, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is a proverb. But I mean, if you think about it, if all you’re ever doing is hearing negative, you’ve been brought into society and you’re thinking negative, thinking negative, you’re probably going to do negative things.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you know what, you know, with social media, you know, now you’re starting to see an uptick, in my opinion, because it’s getting popular to go out and pillage or do whatever and blame it on society and say, you know what? If I wasn’t raised in this situation, I wouldn’t have to steal. If I wasn’t raised with this type of parent, then I wouldn’t have to sit in jail for beating someone up or whatever the case may be. Think about it. We can play the blame on anybody at any time, but there wears the accountability. That’s what I’m trying to say is that this is a mindset. I’ve got to be accountable. I’ve got to reason. The Bible clearly says God reasons. There’s a scripture that talks about that. Come and reason. Let us reason together. Though your sins be white, I mean, though your sins be, well, forgive me. Right? Because God tells us to reason. We’re meant to reason things out.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that’s good. And back to your scripture, as a man thinketh, so he is. That’s Proverbs 23, 7. But with that scripture being said, as a man thinketh in his heart, it says, as you think in your heart, so is he. So if I’m thinking in my heart some way, but out of my mouth, I’m speaking a different way. Would that change the scenario?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I want to hit you with this.
SPEAKER 14 :
The Bible is telling me as I think in my heart, so it will be. But if I’m thinking one way, but I’m speaking faith another way, that changes the whole scenario, doesn’t it?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, and out of the deepest recesses of the heart, the mouth speak. That’s right. So a lot of times we’ve got to be careful of what it is that we do speak because when we do speak, it’s coming out of how we actually truly feel. A lot of times we’re just masking. So, but yes, there’s a few ways that one can begin to change their outcome or their destiny. And that is by speaking well of yourself or speaking well of a situation because words have power.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so hold on. So then let’s go back to the Tower of Babel. Let’s go all the way back to Genesis. No, think about it. The Bible says that they were all with the same mind. And so they were able to reach to the heavens. So it says God came down and changed their language. Was that predestined? Because now we have languages and races all across the globe. If he doesn’t change our tongues, We’d all be the same person.
SPEAKER 13 :
And the Babel and Babelfish was also predestined. So we have those now. What’s a Babelfish? Oh, Babel can bring us all together with language, learning language.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s an app.
SPEAKER 03 :
I was so confused right there, man.
SPEAKER 12 :
I had something great to say, and I just, all I could see was a big old fish.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, no, no, but if you guys think about it, if you go all the way back, I mean, what was the whole point? Because Charlie walked in, and he said the problem with predestination is if you believe, if you’re a stomp person who believes in predestination- Then why try? Then why even try?
SPEAKER 13 :
I know where I’m going.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, but I think it gets tough because if it says speak out of your mouth so it will be- It’s a period of time that occurs before it transforms. How do you know? It can’t be instant? No, I think it takes time to continue to speak it and speak it and speak it. And if you keep speaking it and it doesn’t occur, I think doubt comes in. And before you know it, you’re speaking different than what you’ve spoken before. People call us at 303-477-5600.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is really good.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, the Bible always alludes to the farmer, you know, to growing the seed. You know, basically, you can’t just drop a seed inside the ground. Jesus even spoke about that. He said how many times. There’s so many examples of the seed. Now, think about this. That seed has to have something, you know, given to it. You can’t just let it drop a seed and dry a ground. You have to water it. You have to nurture it. You have to basically work to grow it. And that’s the other point. If it was predestination, then we wouldn’t have to work. But we do work. We have to work for things, you know. It’s going back to this example of faith without works is dead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. And one has to have common sense to know where to plant the seed, boy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Again, predestination is the foreordaining of all that will happen. That’s what predestination is. It means somebody has installed it in us or they already know what’s going to take place. So I guess the question I would ask each one of you guys, and we’ve got like seven minutes, do you believe you have anything in your life right now that’s predestined that you can know of?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, my predestination goes back to many are called, but few are chosen. My predestination is set because I’ve chosen. Oh. I’m chosen. I am a chosen vessel, right? And I choose to be that chosen vessel. So you don’t think that’s free will? Well, my free will is turning into predestination, if you will. I’m going to manifest it. That’s such a paradox. That was really good, dude.
SPEAKER 03 :
That was really good. Dude, that was really good.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that brings up the woman with the issue of the blood. Oh, my goodness. She wasn’t going to be rejected. She was going to do whatever it took for the Lord to heal her. And that can be so. If you’re only called, you’re going to do whatever it takes to be chosen.
SPEAKER 03 :
There you go. That was deep, what Andre just said, and what you brought up, the scripture. That went hand in hand. That’s true, dude. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
So what was your question? Oh, did Andre believe he’s predestined?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well, he answered. He hit the nail over the head with that human Brian.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, so they already answered. What do I have left to do but ask for grace of the Lord? Just asking for grace of the Lord. Grace has to be predestined, right? Yeah, mine is that I just believe that maybe, you know, what if the predestination or predestiny is that there had to be the fall in order for there to be grace. There had to be Satan in order to test. There had to be, you know, the hardship so that all of us can find that we fall short of the glory of the Lord. So I count myself just with all of them, man. I mean, as a servant of the Lord, I try to help people and be humble and be a servant so that I might be great in heaven.
SPEAKER 03 :
So you’re saying you can’t have light without darkness or darkness without light. It goes hand in hand. Again, people, we’ve only got five more minutes, so call at 303-477-5600. We’d like to hear from you.
SPEAKER 13 :
What about you, man?
SPEAKER 03 :
Predestination. I think grace is predestined. I think that God knew he was going to die on Calvary to save every single person, whether they were in the Old Testament or the New Testament. And I also believe this is me. I believe a person has free will and destiny. I think they’re interchangeable depending on your situation. For example, if you go to the Adam and Eve, which I love to talk about, I think Eve was predestined to eat that fruit, but that’s me. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because God was predestined to die on the cross.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think he was predestined to die on the cross.
SPEAKER 12 :
Somebody had to be predestined to eat the apple. Adam could have been that vessel too.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, he could have been. He could have been. I just think like what Brian said, I think the Lord predestined himself for humanity.
SPEAKER 12 :
So I’m going to refute that because I totally believe that this was a choice. Salvation was a choice because salvation is intertwined in the Old Testament all the way to the New Testament. There’s prophecy of Jesus coming to save the world in the Old Testament. But with that said, you know, that sin was a choice, you know, but God paved a way for salvation. I don’t believe Adam and Eve were predestined to sin because even God asked, well, what did you do? You know, think about it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, that’s deep. Oh, that’s good. That’s very good.
SPEAKER 12 :
He told Adam and Eve to be accountable.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that’s why I’m stuck between the two so bad because I feel like he was predestined. I feel like God was predestined to come and die on the cross. But on the other hand… Adam and Eve both had a choice to eat from the tree of life. The tree right there was right there for them to eat. And they decided to eat from the tree of knowledge.
SPEAKER 13 :
They had a choice. Well, but the serpent was planted.
SPEAKER 14 :
There you go. No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 13 :
The serpent’s a plant.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, you’re right, because the serpent was set there in the garden. That’s right. But I’m saying they had a choice if it was predestined, but they had a choice also at the same time. Anybody who knows more than us, call at 303-477-757.
SPEAKER 13 :
I wish we had another hour on this, man. Hey, Brock, think of how you keep bringing up a kid that grows up in a scenario and a situation that lands them in prison.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, that was the prison industrial complex was Satan at the beginning as a snake.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, man. Dude, think of how deep we are getting with this, dude. Yeah, Adam and Eve. That’s a trap, man. It is a trap. Think about that. It’s a trap. And anybody, listen, next week people will give us a call at 303-477-5600. That ain’t no loan. This was a really good topic, and we’ll hear from you all next week. Thank you.
SPEAKER 14 :
He didn’t tell. Did he really tell you not to eat from that tree? He told Adam not to. I know.
SPEAKER 13 :
He forgot to tell his woman.
SPEAKER 03 :
See y’all later. Maybe, huh?
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t expect you to understand I just hope I can explain What it’s like to be a man It’s a lonely road And they don’t care about what you know It’s not about how you feel, but what you provide inside that home.
SPEAKER 10 :
Being a man is what you make it. You can’t always live up to expectations. You try to please everybody while you struggle, so you fake it and end up out of balance, compromising.
SPEAKER 09 :
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