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Okay, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Jody Weiss joining us now. Jody, welcome. How are you? I’m doing well. How are you? Doing great. Former FBI and superintendent of the Chicago Police Department. And one of the biggest stories, as you know right now, going on is what happened to the church in Minnesota where folks thought it was, I guess, free speech, Jody, but these are people that don’t understand what free speech actually is because it doesn’t apply in the setting that they were thinking. And the reality is, in my view, a lot of those folks should be in jail because they broke the law.
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I couldn’t agree with you more. That was one of the most disgusting things I’ve seen in a long time. You know, yes, there’s freedom of speech, but that doesn’t trump your First Amendment right or my First Amendment right. And for a place of worship to be interrupted like that, you know, to make this political point, it’s just outrageous. And I really hope the Department of Justice does what they say they’re going to do. They say they’ve got people on the ground, that they’re looking at multiple violations, the FACE Act, the Church Arson Act. These all can be applied to the church, and I really hope they do that. Unfortunately, we’ve heard a lot of investigation, people are under investigation, but we don’t see indictments. So I think in this one, I hope the DOJ comes down very harsh and very swiftly to arrest and indict these people, because we’ve got great facial recognition. None of them had masks on. It should not be hard to identify them.
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Jody, let me ask you a question about, you know, ICE in Minneapolis. I’m very worried about this because how long can they go on being under siege while they’re trying to do their job? I mean, the simple fact is you can’t do much of your job if you’re under siege all the time and everybody is exposing you everywhere you go. At what point do we need to send in the military to back them up just to protect them so they can operate?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I guess it’s a balancing point that the president has to make. Does he want the optics of the military coming in? But what you said is spot on. You know, if we go out to arrest people, we can’t accomplish our mission. if we’re fighting off protesters the whole time. And the sad part about this, John, and it just frustrates me so much, if the local officials would just cooperate, ICE would love to pick these guys up when they’re sitting in the jail. It’s a controlled environment. Nobody’s going to get hurt. The criminal legal won’t get hurt. The ICE officers won’t get hurt. And the public won’t get hurt. It’s the safest way to do this. And to release these people back on the street, refusing to honor a detainer, puts them back on the street. Now you’ve just opened this up into a public environment, and you’re going to have incidents like this. But if you’re not going to bring in the military, you’re going to have to bring in additional ICE agents or federal agents to form, if you would, a bubble around this team that’s going out to try to do targeted enforcement. Otherwise, we’re going to just keep having this over and over again. And what frustrates me is almost every video I see, and I don’t know if you’ve seen it, Minneapolis police are nowhere to be seen. Right.
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So these guys are really on their own. You’re right. I agree with you there. No, I too, Jody, have seen the same video, and you’re right. No, they are nowhere to be found. And I like you and Andy both. I mean, the optics of sending in the military to help these guys out, it is. It’s rough. It doesn’t look good. But there’s always a but. At the end of the day, you have to have law and order.
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Yeah, you have to. And it’s almost like, personally, I think if it was my call, I would have done it at the earliest opportunity and just go in, nip it in the bud, get these people arrested that we need to, and just stop this. If some of these folks that are out there protesting, and the paid ones especially, if they would start being indicted and charged and facing federal crime, and then the money that’s going to pay these people, if those folks are being looked at and indicted and arrested… You could put an end to this really, really quickly. But sadly, you know, and as part of it, federal investigations are not always swift. Sometimes they should take a little while. But you’re right. Something has to be done because I’m fearful that more and more people are going to get hurt. And that’s certainly no one wants to see that. And if there’s ways to prevent that, we need to be very creative.
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Jody, was there ever any thought given to focusing on the big cities in red states first? And here’s what I mean. What if, hypothetically, right at the beginning of the Trump administration, the second one, they had instead focused on clearing out, ICE going in and clearing out all the major cities, you know, Houston and so forth, in the red states, where they wouldn’t be facing all of this opposition, because then… Everybody in the other states would see the crime rates dropping dramatically in all these cities because they do. Everywhere that ICE has been going in and taking them out, the crime rates have just been falling off a shelf. And what if they had simply done that first to prove how it works and then focused on the blue states? Or is that just not tenable?
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, I haven’t heard that approach before, but I think it has merit. Go out, whenever you’re doing something new, at least in my experience, you want to make sure you have a very high probability of success to get that momentum going. Like, hey, this thing is rolling. Look what we did in this city and look what we’ve done in this city. It’s harder for the left-leaning cities to then say, no, no, we’re not going to do this. And I think that could have been a very viable approach. I think one of the challenges with that is, You know, Stephen Miller, I think, has been pushing ICE, got to have a quota, got to have a quota, and I’m personally against that. I’d rather, for this incident, go after the quality rather than the quantity. You can’t make any argument that the people ICE are picking up, for the most part, are really bad people. When I was looking at some of the lists, I mean, you’ve got child rapists, convicted murderers, not people charged with murder, but convicted murderers. You’ve got human traffickers, and No one with a sane mind could say, no, no, these are our neighbors. We want them out walking the streets of Minneapolis. But the problem is, I think, when you keep getting pushed, we need 3,000, we need 3,000, it’s going to be you’re grabbing everybody. And again, if we could have gotten the local authorities involved, And maybe that should have been where the initial push was to really put some pressure on them to cooperate and keep everybody safe and give the local authorities a win on this thing. Like, hey, we are keeping our community safe, but we’re only going to have ICE come in with the people they’re targeting. But I think the problem is right now, you know, that train is too far down the station. And I think now. If the federal back off, they lose face, and I don’t think our president wants to lose face in this at all. So I think it’s just going to keep going and use more and more force, and I just pray that hopefully the locals will start working with ICE. and allow them to do their job in a really safe manner. I don’t know if that’s being naive, but I certainly pray for that every day.
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One of the things you just said that is such a big deal to me, I know it is Andy as well, Jody, is just the optics of things, how we communicate. I mean, I love Donald Trump dearly. I think in the end he’s got the right heart and he’s got the right – direction on what we need to do and how we need to handle things and so on. But we communicate as a group, as conservatives, as a party, if you would, sometimes about as bad, Jody, as it can ever be. And the reality is what you just said a moment ago. There are times where I think it would behoove us to sit back for just, I don’t know, even 10 seconds and say, wait a minute, how’s this going to look when it’s all said and done? Could we do this better by doing this? And just take just a teeny bit of time to maybe rethink our approach, still accomplishing what we want at the end of the day. And I hate to say this, but I’ll throw Greenland in there right now. I know Donald Trump wants Greenland. I know I want Greenland. But the optics of how we’re doing this and what we’re doing to get there, while I agree with him and we need that particular island, at the end of the day, Jody, the optics of how we’re doing it, it’s just not playing out well.
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Yeah, I agree with you. I think, you know, plus we’re horrible at messaging. I think I can’t attribute to a particular senator, but he did make a great comment. He said the Democrats lie far better than we tell the truth. That’s a fact. It was so true. But like with Greenland, I think, you know, actually, John, I think it’s just Andy or it’s Trump’s style. He comes out with this bullish approach on things like, you know, all guns blazing and it kind of puts you on your heels and then he backs off. It definitely has worked for him in business and stuff. I think in this environment, it would be a little bit better to not come in quite as hard and maybe do little things offline, not put everything out in the public. I agree. You know, I fault the DOJ sometimes. All you hear is like, well, Waltz and Frey are under investigation. When I was in the Bureau, we would announce the investigation when someone was indicted. It wasn’t we’re going to cry and say we’re looking at this politician or we’re looking at this. Why tip your hand at that? And really, people look at this like, okay, we’ve heard this before. I want to see some action on it. And that hurts, too. You’ve got way too much talk. I think folks are doing way too many. TV appearances rather than just getting people in front of the courthouses and in two grand juries.
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I can’t disagree with you at all. Jody, again, thank you. Former FBI and superintendent of the Chicago Police Department. I appreciate your time joining us. We’ve had a great conversation. You reach out. You’re welcome anytime. This has been fun.
SPEAKER 08 :
Anytime, guys. Thank you for getting the message out.
SPEAKER 10 :
We’ll do it, Jody. No, I appreciate it very much. Thank you. And Andy, again, thanks like you and I do. For all of you listening, that’s actually an individual that gets booked through the RNC, through the Republican National Committee. And the reality is, you know, he thinks the same way we do. And we need to do a better job of messaging. And even at times, Andy, just sort of sitting back for a moment saying, you know, this is where we want to get to. How do we get there in the most efficient way that we have the biggest win when it’s all said and done? And I don’t feel like there’s times, and maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know the inner workings of the Trump administration, but from the outside looking in, I don’t think we do that well enough.
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No, I don’t either. And, you know, like I said, and we talked about this right when Trump took office. Okay, everything he’s going to do with ICE, where do you go first? And we said red states, man. Make it look good first. And then go into those. And another thing about Jody is that he knows what it’s like to be in charge of a police department in a major urban area. He knows what it’s like when that area becomes a war zone.
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He knows the optics.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And the optics are bad either way.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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Okay, we are back. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. We had somebody a moment ago that messaged and said, hey, can you guys talk a little bit more about Greenland? And we can. I am by no means a Greenland expert. It is strategic for us, militarily speaking. It’s got rare earth minerals. There’s lots of things there that would benefit us as a country. When you look at the defense sides of things, it’s huge. And I read an article today on this, and I don’t think this was wrong. It was an opinion piece, but I don’t think this was wrong. And essentially what this opinion piece said was, you know, all of you European countries can be mad, but if you really want to be mad, be mad at Denmark, because they sort of forgot about all these people a long, long time ago and haven’t really done anything to shore up Greenland and really help it become what it should be. So at the end of the day, if anybody needs to be mad about what’s happening right now, With Trump and Greenland, it should be Denmark. Now, with all that said, would I, John Rush, if I were president, would I approach the acquisition of Greenland the way Trump has? No, I would not.
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No, it hasn’t worked. It wasn’t going to work. And this is one of those, John, it’s not one of those, well, hindsight is 20-20. No, we said this in advance. When he was first approaching it this way, we were very skeptical. Why? Because people don’t like to be pushed. You know, you can’t, in the world of carrot and stick, you can’t just keep using the stick over and over. All right. And what I mean is this.
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Not when it comes to their home country, you can’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Donald Trump has already done a spectacularly brilliant, and those words aren’t even big enough, but a spectacularly brilliant job of getting us the EU trade deal.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
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Now that’s in danger. Don’t screw it up. But he is screwing it up.
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I know.
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Okay. When he goes to them and says, look, I’m going to slap a tariff on all of Europe if I don’t get Greenland. It’s like, and what is Europe saying? Well, they’re saying, you do that. We’re dropping out of the EU trade deal. We do not want to lose the EU trade deal. It’s beautiful. It is incredibly beneficial for America. Do not endanger the EU trade deal. Greenland is not worth it. Now, is Greenland very important? Yes. And one thing I’m sorry, I almost interrupted you there. It’s very important for the Golden Dome.
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Right.
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All right. It’s a great place to locate missile defense that would help us in case of various attacks that can come our way. And also, it is a place that we do not want to fall in the hands of Russia. And it can because Denmark can’t protect it. Right. Look, there’s a lot of reasons why we need to be involved in Greenland. And I can also sympathize with Donald Trump in that, you know, one might say, well, yeah, well, why don’t we just put a base there? Why don’t we cut a deal, have a big presence on Greenland without having to take Greenland? Yeah, but we’ve done that elsewhere and then had those places totally compromised overnight when they simply changed out leadership. Right. Trump doesn’t want that to happen. He doesn’t want another Panama. He doesn’t want that to happen to us. Right. Okay. And I get that. But you know what, Donald? You can’t have it. You can’t have it. They don’t want to give it to you. Canada is not going to become the 51st state. That one was funny. But you know what? You lost an election in Canada because of it. You pushed too hard and Canada went and elected at a time when Canada, the polls showed the Conservatives over 20 points ahead in Canada. Donald Trump comes out, pushes that, I want to make you the 51st state. It’s condescending. It angers people throughout Canada. They elect liberals back at a time when the conservatives were poised for a massive win, a landslide win. And Donald Trump is the one who drove that away. Now he’s angering the EU possibly out of a deal. Do I think he will reverse course and correct? Yes, I do. I think he’ll fix it. But this is why at times you’ve got to use more carrot, Donald.
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Agree.
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Not just stick. What do you think?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, 100 percent. And and again, do I agree with the overall end goal? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I agree with the end goal. The approach, though, and how we’re getting there, many, many other ways you could actually do this. And there’s folks even, of course, on our side that are really after Trump for what he’s doing and And by the way, I’m not one of those. I’m not on the internals of things. I don’t understand all of the conversation. I don’t know what Trump’s got in his brain as far as how this is going to work out. I will say I’ll give Donald Trump credit. There’s a lot of things where I think, man alive, I wouldn’t have done that. And this is really going to screw things up that in the end. Still pan out, and I’m not sure how. So again, I’m always a little bit careful to criticize because I don’t know all of the inner working and what’s going on. And I know Donald Trump is one of those guys who likes to kind of do the watch over here while I’m doing this over here. And is this one of those situations? I don’t know, Andy. I don’t know. I don’t have any inside knowledge to verify that, so I don’t know.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t either, but you know, you’re going to have the Trumpsters who are going to say, he’s always playing four-dimensional chess and you don’t understand. What do you know? He’s got the perfect strategy. Really? What did I say in the months leading up to the Canadian election with what he was doing? I said, you’re going to lose us Canada. This guy’s going to lose us Canada. Canada was going to be a conservative ally, not just of the United States, but of MAGA. Canada was about to go MAGA, John. He undid that. Right. OK. And so you got to look at these strategies and just say, hey, wait a minute. This is why when you and I were talking in the last hour about who should be our candidate for governor and we look at a Joe Oltman. Now, Trump is no Joe Oltman. But what I mean is the battering ram approach. Guess what? That’s not going to get you very far.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, and again, there’s been lots of criticism today over really what’s going on in Greenland and other things with Trump and the administration. And again, I don’t have any inside knowledge of what the end goal is and what he’s trying to accomplish, not accomplish, and so on. I just know personally speaking, I would be doing things a little bit differently when it’s all said and done. I’ll give you another example. The fighting with Jerome Powell. Okay, you already know Jerome Powell’s against you. Yeah. Okay. It’s a foregone conclusion.
SPEAKER 06 :
But now you’ve made him a sympathetic figure in the public eye. Not just on the left, but in general.
SPEAKER 10 :
Why beat that dead horse? I mean, at the end of the day, he’s not on your side. We know he’s not on your side. Right. You know he’s not on your side. So it’s one of those things where my grandfather always said, kill him with kindness. So take the opposite approach with Jerome Powell, and maybe you might actually get a little bit out of him before he actually leaves when it’s all said and done. But this constant beratement and sticking the DOJ on him over the remodel of the Fed and so on, is that the way I would approach that with Jerome Powell? No, Andy, I would not.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, and if you were to pull independents right now, and Jerome Powell, I mean, nobody does because who cares, right? The Fed leader. But if you did, I guarantee you most of them would be siding with him. You have turned Jerome Powell, who I feel is a terrible human being, who is using his position. For economic terrorism against the United States to hurt the United States because of his political bias. Right. That is what I feel of Jerome Powell. And you’ve turned him into a sympathetic creature. Correct. Why would you do that? You see, not smart. You see, just because you’re a hammer, not every situation is a nail. I love having a hammer. I love not having a weak president. I love having someone who shoots from the hip. I even like his posts. I like mean tweets. I like it all. I’m all in. I love it. But not every situation’s a nail. What do you think?
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re right. And unfortunately, though, Andy, as you know, he treats them all as nails.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Therein lies part of that problem.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, the Rob Reiner post. I mean, things like that. Yeah, do I think that that’s going to hurt him six months later? No, but he better not keep doing it. That’s all I’m saying. Stuff like this. I don’t know. It just seems right now that the Trump administration does a lot better when it is Vance and Rubio out there talking and not Trump.
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SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, yesterday I talked about the literally sabotage. I don’t know how else to say it because it is. A literal sabotage of Dave Williams prior to him leaving as GOP chair. I even had a couple of people, close friends of mine, that actually said, hey, I’d like to read that particular Substack article for myself. I want to learn a little bit more about what was going on and so on. So I forwarded that on to a couple of people. And the answers, Andy, that I got back about Dave was – This really didn’t happen, did it? This is absolutely incredible. And I can’t believe that there hasn’t been, frankly, some charges pressed against Dave for what he did leaving office, because essentially what he did was commit, I feel he committed fraud by and probably other illegal activity because he deleted pertinent records. for, in this case, an organization, a for-profit political organization, whereby there’s laws around how long certain things need to be retained, email conversations and so on. There’s laws around that. And Dave disregarded all of that and went through and deleted them just random. Well, not randomly, purposely random. Purposely is what I mean to say on that end. It wasn’t random. He purposely deleted things.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, he digitally covered his tracks.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
And everything you did.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s incredible. I said this yesterday and I mean this. I’m going to say it again because Andy’s here. Trust me. I’ve interviewed Dave enough and know Dave enough on the technical sides of things that I highly doubt, and I could be wrong, but I highly doubt Dave did this himself. Oh, no, no, no. He had others, too. I would venture to guess that there were some collaboration here, and some others even said, well, if you need help doing such and such, I think I’ve got the ability to do that for you, and, and, and. I mean, here’s the thing. Did Dave instigate this? Probably did, yes. That I’ll give him credit for. Oh, yes. Does he have the technical wherewithal to go through and do the things that he did? I highly doubt it.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I mean, don’t get me wrong. This was obviously agreed upon by the inner team, I would think. Dave, Darcy, Hope. All those. Yeah, the inner team, I believe, wanted to cover all their tracks and have everything deleted, and they did. And boy, oh, boy, did they do a job.
SPEAKER 10 :
I didn’t do this yesterday because I gave the overall of what happened yesterday, Andy. I didn’t get into the nitty-gritty because I knew you were coming today. So let’s roll through some of the things that he actually did.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, I don’t want to read these in total detail, but the timeline of destruction, as it’s said, and this is in the – the editorial dave williams digital sabotage how the former former colorado gop chair wiped the party’s institutional memory this is something march 4th 2025 initial deletions okay the first signs of trouble emerged when dave at colorado colo gop.org deleted three user accounts so using his account what they’re saying is the person at his account dave at call gop.org deleted three user accounts okay and that’s rsvp at colorado gop.org t good and shana okay shauna bamberger by the way i know her um these were early probes testing access and beginning the erosion of the party’s digital footprint okay that doesn’t sound like much right
SPEAKER 10 :
Other than, keep in mind, the RSVP is really people that are RSVPing for events and so on, which you could probably argue, does that need to be saved, not saved? It’s hard to say. Now, the T-good, depending upon what that particular person’s ability was in the organization, same thing along with Shauna. Shauna did a lot. Yeah, if those people did things inside of the organization, you can’t just go through and delete their accounts online. without doing some sort of backup and saving some of the things they may have actually been working on and talking about, legally speaking.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And a lot of this, I guess this stuff, what, he exported first? So he exported everything and then he deleted it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Honestly, and that’s something that I’ll personally tell you. I’m not a, and I said this yesterday, I’m not a Google expert by any means because I, for literally the last three decades… have, because of learning early on that I didn’t want to rely on somebody else to host my websites, my email, and so on, I have done my own personal hosting of all the things that I do in my own business, in my radio shows, and so on. And why, as the Colorado GOP, they are not doing something similar? Now, that doesn’t say that he couldn’t have gone in and still deleted all of that. He could have. But Given the fact that they’re using the Google platform, which, by the way, I find that ironic. We are conservatives. We hate liberals. We hate the liberal media that’s out there and the tech companies that are there, and yet we use them, Andy. Right. That one is just baffling to me.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, John, here’s the bottom line, and I’m going to speed it up and go through the rest of this. But the people coming in, the new leadership team, need to be able to look at the archive of what has gone on.
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so that they can see what has actually been done in all these communications. Okay, March 9th and 10th on 2025, data export tools were authorized.
SPEAKER 10 :
In a midnight operation.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, in a midnight operation, Dave at Colorado, okay, Dave, granted full access to four third-party data migration applications. These tools, identified by client IDs like, and it gives long numbers, could read, copy, and export every email across all accounts. Okay. Do you get that? Okay. So by March 10th, 19 separate migration operations had been executed copying organizational emails to external locations. Okay. In other words, took all these organizational emails that had gone back and forth, back and forth. That’s evidence, folks. This is all evidence. Remember Hillary? Mm-hmm. Deleted emails. Do you remember all that? I’m just saying, just saying. Okay, so he took all this evidence and had it exported and copied to an external location. This was the extraction phase. Williams’ team siphoned off the data before the axe fell. Okay, March 26, 2025, more accounts vanished. Okay, two additional accounts, John at Colorado and Dave… and eric john and eric right who most of you know who both of those are probably yeah well they were eric’s the party planner by the way yeah they were they were deleted of course escalating the purge as the election loomed once again this is getting rid of evidence okay that’s right okay now march 29th 2025 leadership change okay new officers were elected so there you got britta right Right. And but administrative control remained in Williams’ hands. And that’s normal, by the way, initially. No credentials were immediately transferred, setting the stage for post-election sabotage. I just want people to know it does take a few. It takes a little time.
SPEAKER 10 :
So the next day.
SPEAKER 06 :
OK. March 30th. Post-election mass deletions. Here’s where it really happens. OK. The day after defeat. I’ll say it again. The day after defeat, when he knew that somebody coming in who didn’t support him was taking over. Dave went nuclear, deleting nine user accounts in rapid succession, including Darcy at Colorado GOP, Liz, and Volunteer, okay? This was no coincidence. Deletions accelerated precisely when Williams Authority had expired. And, folks, these are— Let’s cover our tracks, basically. Yeah, these are his allies, okay? So he’s deleting all the interactions that his allies had with their accounts. Mm-hmm. Hello, Hillary. Excuse me, Hillary. Paging Hillary. Okay. March 31st. Domain switch and final user wipes. Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
I want something different. Yeah, yeah, please. Some may not understand why this is important, but basically he did a domain transition from colo, C-O-L-O, G-O-P.org to C-O-L-O-G-O-P.org. In other words, giving more cover, and this article talks about this, giving more cover for the deletions because not as many people would be as savvy to the colorado-gop.org because that had never been in existence prior.
SPEAKER 06 :
They wouldn’t even know you have access with that. Correct. They didn’t even know it existed.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct. That’s why that’s a big deal.
SPEAKER 06 :
In other words, so let’s say Dave at Colorado GOP is removed.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but Dave— Now he still has Colorado-GOP.org.
SPEAKER 06 :
So he still has access when people don’t know it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because he moved the domain is what he did.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, works really nice.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, so on March— And again, folks, this goes back to my comment yesterday. He’s not this smart. Dave himself, trust me when I say this, he does not have nor could he think of the technical sides of this. He’s not in that space. That’s not what he does. Somebody there, and I have pretty good inklings on my own as to who helped him do this, that was not him doing it. This is somebody that had to have some sort of past IT or current IT experience to help him with this because Dave’s not that smart. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Now, just so you know, at least I’m hearing that at least initially the Dave team, they’re issuing denials of this. Even though supposedly there’s a digital footprint.
SPEAKER 10 :
This is all documented coming out of Google itself, so they can deny it all they want. But, folks, if you’re denying it, you’re an idiot. Sorry, you’re an idiot because there’s proof that you did this.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, just a couple left here. March 31st, domain switch and final user wipes. Right. The domain transitioned from Colorado GOP to Colorado-GOP.org. You just mentioned that. Note the hyphen. Provided cover for more deletions, okay? So Dave at Colorado-GOP.org erased three accounts. Okay, you’ve got to keep in mind, he’s not the chair anymore.
SPEAKER 09 :
Nope. But he’s still erasing things.
SPEAKER 06 :
But dash GOP, they don’t know about that. So he has access to erase three accounts, including Greg… At Colorado, administrative control was then shifted to info at colorado-gop.org, but logging credentials were withheld from the new team. What?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
The new team won a couple days ago. Right. 48 hours. They still didn’t have the login. Okay. April 1st, ironically, last account deleted. Okay. Info at Colorado-GOP.org deleted the final account, Tom, at… Colorado dash whatever. Okay, you don’t care about all that. Completing the user purge, okay? So on April 1st, ironically, because of the date, they complete the user purge. And then on April 20th, access was granted far too late. Exactly 20 days after the handoff should have occurred, coinciding with Google’s permanent deletion window, the new leadership finally received credentials. They didn’t have credentials. For three weeks. So the new leadership team didn’t have credentials to access any of this for three weeks. Three weeks. And Dave had wiped everything clean. Right. While first exporting all their stuff outside. So the new team can’t look at anything the old team said or did. What do you think?
SPEAKER 09 :
Let’s just say, folks, it doesn’t look fishy. It is fishy. Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
It is fishy. And then just summing it up throughout this cycle, 9,252, so over 9,000 file deletion events were logged in Google Drive. The bulk came from info at ColoradoGOP.org with contributions from William’s accounts. This export then delete pattern ensured copies might exist elsewhere, perhaps for leverage. Think about that. While the originals were irretrievable. So basically, the only people who could get any leverage from those interactions and communications are the old team, not the new.
SPEAKER 10 :
And I did a real quick research just to see who is in charge of the colo-gop.org, and that’s all done through a domain registrar of cloudflare.com. And it’s highly, highly doubtful from looking at what I’m seeing here in front of me that this was done by the GOP-sanctioned authorities. In other words, this was offline.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Let me give you a quick example here. You know, Rich Sokol was the chair when we took over in Arapahoe County, okay? Joy Hoffman preceded us. Do you want to know how much data Joy Hoffman deleted prior to us arriving?
SPEAKER 10 :
How many?
SPEAKER 06 :
Zero. Nothing.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s the way it’s supposed to be.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, she did a lot of her work on her email because we didn’t have money for all these domains. But nothing. Joy didn’t take anything. We could have researched anything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Which is the way it’s supposed to be.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Well, for example. For people who think that this is normal, no, it isn’t.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, I mean, I’ve bought and sold businesses over the years. And the last large business that I sold where I had two different locations and there was lots of information regarding those businesses. And literally when I… When I sold those businesses, I literally handed not only the keys over, but all of the passwords. I had an entire digital sheet that showed them where everything was at and so on. And it cycled through and worked moving forward exactly like it had the day before with not a lick of nothing happening.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
In other words, they could go back and see anything they wanted to from that point forward.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. As well, they should be able to because they need to know.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s exactly right. That’s how it’s supposed to work.
SPEAKER 06 :
They need to know the business and interactions that have occurred leading up to them taking power. Correct. Okay. Well, they couldn’t. It was wiped clean. That is terrible. I’m telling you what, man.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, this is really, really scummy. In fact, what I would like, I’m going to throw this out there because I can. Why not? I would like for some of you that are more on the legal end of things to do a little bit of research for me and determine, is there a valid lawsuit here against Dave Williams and his cronies, given that I am a registered Republican and a lot of you are as well? And where I’m going with this is, could I— Could I be the named, you know, harmed unit in this as a registered Republican? And can we sue Dave and his cronies for this? Because if we can, I’ll fund it. Yeah, why not? I’ll fund it. I have no problem. If that’s something that any of you listening that have any kind of legal expertise feel that we could actually bring some prosecution to Dave and his cronies over this, I’m in. I’ll fund it. I’ll make it happen because here’s my thought process. We’ll win and get all of our money back anyways.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think you would.
SPEAKER 10 :
So we’ll win. But I would be willing to fund the cost of doing this. I’m throwing that out publicly. If any of you out there listening have the ability to research this a little more and find out, is there enough? What am I looking for, Andy? The right word. In other words, you have to have standing, which we would have as members of Colorado GOP, which we are. And even as donors, which, by the way, I am. So as donors, would we have some sort of standing in this, given the fact that Dave sabotaged the party in doing what he did prior to leaving?
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t know. Possibly. It’s certainly possible.
SPEAKER 10 :
And in my mind, I’m just thinking that if we do, I’m in. So those of you listening that have a little bit more legal gumption than I have and legal background and so on, if you feel like there’s something here that we could go after, I’ll fund it and off we go. I’ll do it. I have no problem doing that. I can’t stand these people, and I’m to the point where I’m so tired of these type of people, the rhino watchers, the Davidians, running around acting like they have total control, total power. I’m ready to take them down.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, John, if I may, do we have a minute? Go ahead. Yeah, we’re fine. Keep going. For those who are thinking, why do you guys keep fixating on them? When you have new leadership and old leadership and they don’t like each other, you’re always going to have these negative things and there’s too much infighting. Why all the infighting? This isn’t infighting, Andy. Why do you keep fixating on Dave? Let me tell you why. Folks, you don’t understand. Dave Williams was unlike anything we have ever seen in the chairship in Colorado. He is the only Colorado GOP chair ever. to run in a primary, a contested primary, against fellow Republicans while serving as their chair when his job is to serve all candidates equally. While he was doing that, he had the state party literally endorse him against Jeff Craig in his own primary.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
OK, they literally endorsed the state chair against a fellow Republican in his own primary. OK, then he literally borrowed money from the state party to be used in attacking his Republican party. opponents right okay then they literally this is all first time ever guys first time not only first time ever here in colorado to my knowledge i don’t know any state chair nationally who’s done any of these things they literally had paid for by the colorado republican committee put on flyers that were mailed out to tens of thousands of republicans across the state hundreds of thousands that attacked fellow Republican candidates and supported their Republican candidates. Oh, by the way, it was the first time that the state party had ever even endorsed Republican candidates in Republican primaries, which means you are literally endorsing against fellow Republicans when you are serving as their leadership, okay? That is just a taste. He’s the first one to ever call on us to literally burn the personal private property of other people when he told us to burn pride flags. We don’t own pride flags. He called on Colorado Republicans to burn. That’s a felony. That’s right. The property of other people. I could go on and on. That’s a sampling. But at least see, we’re not talking about a Colorado GOP chair who was anything like anyone who had ever come before.
SPEAKER 10 :
Nope. Again, if that’s something you guys are thinking of, let me know, and I’m in. Up next, though, a Golden Eagle Financial interview with Al of late. Don’t go anywhere. Listen in. We’ll be right back. You can find Al at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 04 :
TJ here with KLZ Radio, and I’ve got Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial with us once again. Al, we are coming into a new year here now, and we’ve talked recently about getting a fresh look at our retirement accounts. So tell me what that means a little bit. What kind of stuff do you want folks to look at?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, a fresh look is not only looking at the past and seeing how you’re doing, but putting together what you would like to look like in the future. Not just growth, but are things on track? Some other maybe non-financial things. Are there some other things that you have concerns about as you get closer to retirement?
SPEAKER 04 :
Very cool. And what do you do for folks when they come in? And let’s say it’s a potential client that you’ve never seen before. Where do you start looking with a new account like that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I have a pretty lengthy conversation where we dive into a timeline when they might like to retire and a few income things so we could get a handle on the amount of money they’re going to need to retire. What does that look like for you? Are you going to be traveling a lot? Are you going to be skiing? Are you going to be spending a lot of time at home? Because some people’s idea of retirement means they’re going to need $10,000, $12,000 a month. Other people, $4,000 or $5,000 is going to be very adequate depending on what kind of things they do in retirement.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s pretty great. Al Smith goes through a lot more than just numbers, folks. He’s about people and really wants to find out exactly what you want to do with your retirement. Al, how do people get in touch with you if they want to start that process?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you can reach me at the office, 3037441128. My cell is 303-875-4572. I reply to texts. And if you’d like to hear about taxes as you get closer to retirement, there’s an event coming up January 10th at Arapahoe Community College. You got it, Al.
SPEAKER 04 :
And as always, you can reach Al from the klzradio.com website. Just go to klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you’re welcome. Thanks for having me, TJ.
SPEAKER 13 :
Listen online, klzradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 10 :
And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, Andy, when it comes to Dave, and again, some would say, well, you know, why are you focused on that? Well, because it’s a big deal. And now what you’re learning is, you know, he and his cronies, because, again, Dave didn’t do all of this deletion of data from Colorado GOP records, you know, email, things like that. And keep in mind, folks, when he does these sorts of things, he’s not just deleting emails and things like that. I guarantee you there were calendar events, calendar invites, things like that that also got deleted when it was all said and done. So bottom line, there’s a lot of data there that then is deleted that no one knows what happened prior. And here’s my take on all of that. If you didn’t have anything to hide, why are you deleting things?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, why would you?
SPEAKER 10 :
You wouldn’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, look, I understand that you could say, well, the people coming in are against us, and they could just try to use any little thing we didn’t want to give them. Look, man, these are communications. If you had nothing that you had done, nothing that could be used against you in there, why would you delete it?
SPEAKER 10 :
Good point. You wouldn’t. No, you wouldn’t. You wouldn’t. There’s no reason to.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, look at that process that I just read off. And by the way, folks, I did cut through a lot of that. I didn’t read it all off. But that process was long and involved and massive.
SPEAKER 09 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 06 :
OK, this was very, very, very important to Dave and his team to make sure that all of that was erased.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, Andy, 100 percent. You don’t do these things unless you’re worried about somebody finding something you don’t want them to find. And in the case of Dave and all of his cronies, I mean, Andy, I can only imagine that. The things that they talked about amongst themselves, you know, via email. I mean, you would think that they would abstain from doing some of that, knowing that at some point you might be found out. Although if they thought about this even early on and said, you know, here’s how we’ll do this. If it ever comes to it and push comes to shove, we’ve got the ability to go in and delete a lot of this stuff off. So, you know, at the end of the day, email whatever you want to. We don’t care.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, John, let me ask you the question. If you’re Hillary Clinton, do you delete 33,000 emails, smash phones, right, with hammers and bleach hard drives? Do you do all that if you have nothing to hide?
SPEAKER 10 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, come on.
SPEAKER 10 :
So the very same people in this case that would accuse Hillary of that, which, by the way, they did, are doing the very same thing themselves. And I want to make sure that I put this tie in. I know we only got a couple of minutes here before our last break, but keep in mind, folks, that it’s still the rhino watchers of the world that are out there. They are still sending out their newsletters. There’s a lot of gullible people out there that read their utter nonsense and the junk journalism that they actually put out, and I’m calling it that. There’s a lot of people that follow that thinking that these guys have some sort of an inside edge, and they’re the people really to listen to. They are nothing more than a bunch of journalistic hacks that have no idea what’s really going on, and they are a part of the Williams team that did this. Let me make sure I’m clear on that. They were a part of this in doing this. Now, did they physically go in and do the deletion? They may not have gone in and physically done the deletion, but let me tell you what. They knew about it. Guaranteed, they knew about it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. Oh, yeah. 100% knew about it. Now, here’s a question for you Rhino Watchers that are out there, because I know you listen to us. Are you going to publish this in this week’s Rhino Watch newsletter? Are you going to actually put a little blurb out about this and deny that this all happened, or are you just going to sort of sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away? Because those of you that run Rhino Watch, Chuck and Julie, I’ll name you guys by name, you know about this. Oh, yeah. Are you going to write about it, Chuck and Julie?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, they probably advise them to do it. Come on.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m not arguing that, Andy. You’re probably correct in that, 100%. So Chuck, Julie, again, you guys should be ashamed of yourselves for doing these things because at the end of the day, you know what’s going on with all of this. You’re a part of this. And frankly, you need to shut that entire organization down and move to Florida.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m serious. Just shut it down and move to Florida.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I agree.
SPEAKER 10 :
Be done with things.
SPEAKER 06 :
There’s no value.
SPEAKER 10 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
This isn’t rage radio. This is real, relatable radio. Back to Rush to Reason. Dennis, I got 30 seconds. Go.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, John, you may not need to bring a suit. How about having somebody dive into state and federal law about those emails and having Phil, not so wiser, prosecute?
SPEAKER 10 :
Good point. You know what? I will do that. Dennis, thank you. That’s a great tip, and I will do that, meaning let our own government take care of it, in other words.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah. Phil would jump on this.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. You know what? Good point, Dennis. Thank you. I will definitely look into that. Again, my feeling, folks, on this is, yes, there needs to be some people held accountable for this. They did things that were completely illegal. These are not allowed to be done. And anybody that disagrees with me on that, I challenge you to prove I’m wrong. Challenge you to prove me wrong. So we’ve got another full hour coming your way. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you. The Rich Guy.
