This episode of A Guy’s Perspective goes deep fast: are you “religious,” “spiritual,” or both—and what’s the real difference? The conversation moves from church structure and personal faith to why people interpret the same Bible in completely different ways. Along the way, the guys dig into culture, community, purpose, deception, and how beliefs get formed (or locked in) over time.
It’s part theology, part real-world psychology, and part man-to-man talk about what actually shapes conviction—family, upbringing, church culture, and the hunger for truth. If you’ve ever wondered why religions multiply, why churches disagree, or why people walk away from faith
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i can’t hide myself i don’t expect you to understand i just hope i can explain what it’s like to be a man welcome to a guy’s perspective where they discuss real life topics that men today are dealing with whether married single parent or just single we invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions and here they are
SPEAKER 09 :
How’s everybody doing today? It’s KLZ 560 AM. You can always talk to us at 303-477-5600. Again, that’s 303-477-5600. Today, it’s just me and the truth on air. Everybody else is either working or they had to be out of town or whatever it might be. So let’s get started. Let me ask you a question before we get started. Do you consider yourself a religious person or a spiritual person? There’s a difference.
SPEAKER 10 :
I would say religious and spiritual.
SPEAKER 09 :
And spiritual? Kind of like a dual hybrid type person? Yeah, I would say the same thing. Because you go to church, so you’ve got to have structure. If you’re a religious person, you’ve got structure in your life. You know what I’m saying? If you’re just a spiritual person… It would be hard to just be spiritual without structure. You know what I’m talking about?
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. Because what do you think the difference… I mean, you got to be careful about being spiritual because you don’t know what kind of spirit you’re entertaining, too.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s true. So what do you think the difference between a religious person and a spiritual person is?
SPEAKER 10 :
I would say somebody who’s religious is dedicated to a certain religion, you know, a certain… a certain understanding of what religion they’ve been raised up into. And somebody who’s spiritual would just be dedicated to whatever spiritualism they’re practicing.
SPEAKER 09 :
Gotcha, gotcha. What would you say? I would probably lean directly towards what you said. Like, I know everybody wants to knock religion.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I mean, I couldn’t answer. Can I back up? Because I couldn’t answer that question, actually. Because I’ve never, I look at both as the same. If I’m spiritual religion, I’ve never did a study into that, to that aspect because I see them as both being the same. If you say, are you spiritual? Oh yeah, I’m spiritual. I go to church. Are you religious? Oh yeah, I go to church. See, I take, I put both of them together. Right, and I’ve looked into it, and it’s not the same. Oh, give me some information.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, so religion is being devoted, pious, or concerned with religion involving adherence to beliefs, practices, moral codes of faith, often involving worship, community practices. sacred text and a connection to the divine, meaning religion.
SPEAKER 10 :
So I was kind of right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, for sure. And religion is a community. It’s a gathering of people together who are like-minded, where here’s what the spiritual means. Having a connection to something greater than oneself, seeking answers to life’s profound questions, fulfilling a sense of purpose, it’s often related to personal growth, inner peace, and a deep understanding of self and the world around you. So for example, a person can be spiritual But they’re not necessarily religious because let’s say they wake up every Sunday morning and they go up to Red Rocks and they watch the sun come up and they meditate. That might be a form of their religion, but they’re not necessarily following what the Bible says.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, because they believe in the sun and the moon.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. They can believe in something else. They consider themselves a spiritual person instead of like really a religious person, you know, which I think is interesting, right? Because when you think about like religion, so everybody paints religion in a bad way, you know, but I hate to say it. When you have structure and that’s the main thing that makes somebody religious is structure, right? then it’s not a bad thing, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I think people paint religion, some people paint religion as a bad thing because maybe they were offended when they were younger. Something bad. occurred to them something went wrong with their life you know maybe god didn’t answer pray you know maybe god didn’t answer a prayer you know at that moment like you know because i was talking to a young man uh downtown one time yeah yeah and he was telling me how he had he had total faith in god because he saw his friend get hit by a car And so his friend’s just lying in the middle of the road, and he went, laid hands on him, had faith, didn’t doubt in his heart that God was going to raise him off the street, and he didn’t. And so he totally turned his back on God, walked away. Would you say that’s having weak faith? You know what I’m saying? No, I’m not.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, no, no, no, no. I mean, there’s people out there that have weak faith, period. Doesn’t make them a bad person. They just got weak faith in things.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I just, I don’t think we really understand, you know, God’s purpose. Like, I mean, you could pray for some things that don’t occur, right, that don’t happen, but then you’re mad because it didn’t happen. But you don’t look at it on the outside saying, well, there’s a reason why maybe God didn’t answer that prayer. Maybe there’s a reason, you know, it didn’t come to pass because it’s not good for you.
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Right.
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Whatever it may be.
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And call us at 303-477-5600. Why do you think there’s so many religions out there?
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, so many different teachings. Well, I mean, that’s a good question. Well, I would have to say, because I’ve studied plenty of religions. I’ve studied most of them, from Catholics to Mormons to Baptists. I was raised Baptist. to Pentecostalism, to whatever.
SPEAKER 09 :
Islam, Buddhism.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, to them all. And I find that there is something, there is one thing missing from them all, right? And that is the understanding of the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, why do you think that’s missing from most of them?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, no, what I’m saying is most every other church preaches the baptism of the Holy Ghost different. So one church will tell you, you know. You received the baptism of the Holy Ghost this way, and then if you go to another church, it’s a different way, and then if you go to another church, it’s a different way. Right. So you got a misunderstanding of how you actually receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. That’s what I’m saying. It’s almost like people contradict each other. But why? If everybody has the same Bible, and I heard this person tell me years ago, they’re like, it’s basic information before leaving earth. And I’m like, whatever, dude.
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You know what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 09 :
But it’s like everybody can read the same book, but they’re interpreting it differently.
SPEAKER 10 :
That is so good that you brought that up because I was just speaking to a loved one. And we were getting, you know, we were talking scripture. And before you know it, we start arguing. Oh, yeah. And you try to avoid that at all costs. You try to stop avoiding, you know, confrontation with people. But it just seems to happen. But so, you know, we departed. And as I was driving in my car, I just wondered. I was like, how is it that? You could think one thing about the Bible, and yet I interpret it a totally different way. Yeah. I mean, it was so mind-boggling. I’m like, this is what’s wrong with… I mean, like we were talking about… We’ll get back to your question in a minute.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, no, no. Keep going, because it all falls in line with what we’re talking about.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but like we were talking a couple weeks ago that I don’t think people really perceive the enemy. You know what I’m saying? I mean, if he was able to deceive people… deceive angels from their inhabitant right they were in the habitation in the presence of god you know and you’re in the enemy is able to deceive them to leave where they’re at to go with him i mean no no i mean what kind of deceit what kind of deception is he bringing into the world today i mean he’s he’s he’s a he’s he’s masterful at his deception he’s masterful at deceiving people into believing things Yeah, and that’s funny you say that.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, think about it. He has been deceiving. And people, we’re talking about the devil right now, and you can call in at 303-477-5600. This is good. Keep going.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so think about that. The enemy has tried to deceive how many people have been since the beginning of time? Thousands and thousands. I mean, billions, billions of people. So he’s ran this race against billions of people trying to deceive you. So then when it comes to church, Somebody’s got to be deceived. Somebody’s got to be lied to. I don’t care what anybody says.
SPEAKER 09 :
So I was looking into that, right? Because I wondered how is that everybody can pick up a Bible or a book or politics and they can interpret it so different. You can put a Democrat in a room and a Republican in a room. They’ll interpret it different. You can put a Catholic in a room and a Muslim in a room. They interpret it completely different. And here’s what I stumbled across, right? I came across a sociology writing and it was like 20 years old and I couldn’t. This is what it said. It said some people look at religion as language. Why do people look at religion as language? When the details of the language spoken are not relevant to communication, all that matters are that the sounds have meaning and follow the grammar of some sort. So basically everything on this planet has a language. Birds. We don’t understand what they’re saying, but they’re chirping and other birds understand it by that dialect.
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So check this out.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that’s good stuff. So… These are very loose constraints. Since the constraints of a language are so loose, languages vary widely in their sound, structures, and composition meaning. This explains the large variation in language. The same is true of religion. Religion is… is like language. Religions are the evolutionary adaptation primarily to keep groups and tribes together. And that is why there are so many different languages. It’s all tied into sociology, where you fit in a community. So the reason why there’s so many different religions, it’s like so many different languages. You find where you fit. And so if you go to this church and they’re saying one thing that contradicts what your parents used to say, you’ll automatically leave it. So maybe that’s part of the deception you were talking about. It doesn’t fit your mold or character. So religions pop up across the globe. There’s like 5,000 different religions. but we’re all reading the same book. It’s wild to think about.
SPEAKER 10 :
Now that you bring that up, I think there’s a scripture that says how hard it is to build upon somebody’s faith that has already been built upon, right? I think that is scripture. I don’t know where it’s at, but I’m pretty sure. So if you’ve been raised in a religion, And all you’ve ever been taught is in your mind. I mean, you’re stuck.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah. It’s hard to break from that mold.
SPEAKER 10 :
Break from that mold.
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Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
I would say 90% of religious people in the world today go to the church they were raised in. I would say 90% at least.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, at least that religion. If your parents were Catholics, you’re probably Catholics. And the reason why is sociology. And I studied a lot on this in college. Sociology and psychology go hand in hand with religion. And the reason why it’s because what is sociology? It’s how you fit in a community. Us as Americans fit. fit a certain mold the reason why republicans and democrats fight against each other they want you to stay in that mold the reason why there’s so many religions like you said deception comes in or you were taught a certain way whether good or bad and it keeps you in that structure yeah but how do you get out of that mold let’s say you’re you’re going to a church that isn’t good
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, how do we get out of that mold?
SPEAKER 09 :
Let’s open it up to callers. You can call at 303-477-5600. Tell us, how do you break a cycle or a mold that you’ve always been in? That’s a good question. I mean, that helps. Listen, people, we’re here for men. We try to help men. That goes deeper than what you’re asking. Like, how do you break the mold of addiction? If you were in a home that’s always been brought up where your dad has done drugs, you saw your mom do drugs, how do you break away from that? That’s a good question you’re asking.
SPEAKER 10 :
How to break away from that mold if you perceive to think that what you’ve been taught or you’ve been raised in that religion is correct in the first place. So if I’m raised to believe whatever religion I’m in, it’s telling me that I’m okay in that religion. Why go anywhere else? Because you’ve already been told you’re okay. How do you know you need help? Right? No, no, no.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’re asking a good question. And I think that’s the reason why, uh, Religion in some parts of the world can be detrimental. For example, let’s take extremists or we can call them occult members or whatever. How do you actually manage to get people to strap a bomb to themselves, walk on a bus and kill everybody?
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Think about it.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s deep. That’s really deep. So that deception that you were talking about has somehow brainwashed somebody so much that they believe their religion above every religion, and they’re willing to die right now for it.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s crazy. Yeah, and if you talk to people, if you’re trying to witness to people on the street, they all have the same belief that we’re wrong and they’re right. right they’re at the right church and we’re at the wrong church so somebody so if my church is preaching something different than what you’re preaching and you think you’re right and i think i’m right well one of us has to be wrong don’t don’t we or or or are we me and you missing it or
SPEAKER 09 :
What if, what if everybody’s religion has something we can learn from and we’re choosing not to listen to it? Could that be it also? No, I, no, I totally disagree. Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Some, some believe, you know, some faith has it that, you know, you have to be baptized to water to be saved. And there’s some preach that you don’t. Okay. Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
So one’s got to be right. One’s got to be wrong.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
You can’t believe you can’t say, well, you don’t need to be baptized to be saved. It’s just an act of obedience. OK. Right. So one’s telling you you don’t need it. And then you got another secret people telling you you do need it. One’s right. One’s got to be wrong because you might need it. You might know me personally. You need it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. So. So for the people who have been raised that have been taught, you don’t need it. How do you change their mindset? Or can you even change their mindset? Well, let me ask you this. If somebody walked up to you right now and said, hey, man, the church you go to is absolutely wrong, what would you tell them? Well, I would begin to question them why he believes that. Okay. Well, if I walked up to you, and we go to the same church for people who want to know, if I walked up to you right now and I didn’t know you and said, hey, man, what you’re telling me is wrong, I believe another way because it says, baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. What are you going to tell me?
SPEAKER 10 :
What would I tell you if you came up and told me that? Well, I would say, what’s the name of the Father and the Son of the Holy Ghost? Isn’t the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost one name?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 10 :
Jesus’ name.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, man. And listen, people call at 303-477-5600. This is good. So it makes you really wonder if there’s so many different religions around. How did it all start? Where was the starting point? How did it… I mean, seriously, like, according to what I just read, there’s like 5,000, there’s like 4,200 different religions on this planet currently, and probably even more. And those are all spinoffs from who knows where, dude. From what, Christianity?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but I think it all began, it all begins from, because you need the Spirit of the Lord to interpret Scripture, correct? You must have the Spirit of the Lord to discern all things in your life. Okay. Right? Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
But for people who don’t have any form of Christianity, what about those guys?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we can’t, we can’t, you know, we can’t, we can’t.
SPEAKER 09 :
We can’t. Because that’s where I differ from you. When I hear people say, oh, you have to be spiritual in order to interpret everything in life. No, God’s given us a brain. Our brain helps us interpret everything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, if that person you’re talking about decides to turn towards the Bible, then they’re going to need the scripture of the Lord. They’re going to need the spirit of the Lord to direct them to all knowledge and understanding. So if they’re not coming that way, you can’t help. They’re going to have to want help before it. They’re going to want to have to have help before.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Do you understand? No, no, no. I get what you’re saying. In order for any person to change their situation, whether they’re on drugs, whether they’re homeless, they have to want to have a mindset to change their direction in order to do anything in life. I guess the way that I think about it is… is we have so many religions on this planet because so many people want to be spiritual and fit their mold of who they are does that make sense oh yeah like you want to be able to at the end of the day say hey so for example culture let’s let’s look at culture for example You have some people that are so heavily deep in their culture. Let’s take somebody who’s really wealthy. They’re not really going to hang out with people who aren’t wealthy because their culture dictates that. And that’s kind of how I think religion works is if your culture dictates what that church teaches, you leave to find the church that fits who you are in your mold.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, that’s a bad mistake. Well, why? Well, because you could go to a church that fits your propaganda of how you want to live. Okay, keep going. So some churches can preach, you know, something tingly to the ears that sounds good that benefits you to go live a life that you want to live. Okay. You know, some religions, you know, some churches preach, you know, once saved, always saved.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
So that to me tells me then, okay, well, I’m fine to go do whatever I want to do. Right? Right. So some religions believe once saved, always saved, that you cannot lose your salvation. So if that tingles your ear, you’re probably going to fit that mold because that allows you to live your life however you want to.
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And call it 303-477-5600. This is good stuff right here. Would you agree? Well, I don’t know. I’m asking you. So at the end of the day, I think the reason why, and I do agree with what you say right there, but I also think that the way when you’re… The way you’re brought up, the way you’ve been taught in school, the way you’ve been taught in society will dictate how you live your life, basically. And when it comes to religion, how you view religion. Because at the end of the day, like you said, once saved, always saved. It may very well be that that person doesn’t know any difference because they’ve been taught that. No way. They come to your church and all of a sudden… it’s teaching a different way and they’re in a culture shock. Yeah. Because let’s be real, culture shock is a real thing. Oh, for sure. Stage fright’s a real thing. All that stuff is real. Just like… There’s actually people or parents that don’t believe that children have stress nowadays. There is more stress on children’s lives because of social. I believe because of social media than there’s ever been. Children now are stressed out left and right from the time they get their cell phone. I know people that were given their cell phones. I used to work with this dude. He said his kid was two years old and gave him a brand new iPhone. I’m like, what two-year-old needs a brand new iPhone? But here’s the thing. Their culture is setting them up for a certain way to live. So when you go into this establishment or this church, they preach one thing. You’ve been taught something completely different. You have to step back and say, hey, this doesn’t fit who I am. I’m going to go someplace else.
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And I see it happen all the time.
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All the time.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ve seen it all the time.
SPEAKER 09 :
All the time. And you sit back and scratch your head like, well, Jesus, the preacher up there said give an offering. Now all of a sudden a person wants to leave church. Well, maybe how they were taught is that. But the love of money is the root to all evil. And so all of a sudden, they’re like, oh, that’s a bad place to go. Like, I don’t understand everybody’s mindset. But at the end of the day, I think this is my… And people call in and contradict me, tell me I’ve fallen off the turnip wagon. But I think what happens, the reason why culture is so big in church and why some churches grow and others don’t, it’s because they failed to realize the culture of their church. For example, you can have a diverse church. Let’s say you have a church of white, black, Chinese, the whole nine yards. That culture is going to be so different. that when you turn around say don’t do this or do this you have to be real careful because you don’t know how these people were brought up you know it’s it’s a real thing if you’re talking to hunters they probably want to know about hunting you know what i’m saying that’s why it’s so that’s why it is so imperative that you choose the right pastor you know how they’re living you see what i’m saying yeah you have to i mean you have to be so imperative to know who you choose
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to lead you to the promised land. I mean, think about that scripture. Now that you brought that up, that’s a good idea. Because there’s one scripture that says, Lord, Lord, did we not? He said, Lord, Lord, he said, depart from me. I never knew you. He’s like, well, didn’t we cast out demons? Didn’t we prophesy in your name? I mean, that’s a pretty big task to prophesy in the first place. Wow. Right? So if you’re prophesying, healing somebody, and yet the Lord’s telling you, depart from me. I never knew you. I mean, so that made me take a step back and think, wow.
SPEAKER 09 :
you know i mean i better do some choosing and picking of of a man of a pastor that i think is living above the next pastor so that’s that’s funny you brought that up because we were on air one day and we were ending and there were like three or four people that wanted to talk to us but our time had run out so we’re just answering phone calls off the air And this lady calls up and we were talking about Adam and Eve. A lot of times we talk about Adam and Eve. We go back to the very beginning and. This lady had made a comment to Heath and Andre and Reno and said something like, it wasn’t Eve’s fault for eating the fruit. It was the culture that was established. And so it makes you wonder, did Adam fail as a man and not have the right culture in the garden? You know what I’m saying? Makes you really wonder that. No, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, because how is it that a snake, or it calls it a serpent, so we all assume snakes. I think he was part dragon, part snake, whatever he may have been. I don’t know. At the end of the day, he was a serpent, but he’s holding a full-on conversation, dude. Like, you know what I’m saying? Like, what kind of culture was being built in the very beginning of time? You know, like that’s that’s pretty wild to think about.
SPEAKER 10 :
No. Yeah, it is. I mean, I mean, if you actually think about it, I mean, is he seeing, you know, talking to you? I mean, what’s going on over there? Or, you know, is he somewhere else at that time?
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. I guess the next question.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s a hard question.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. It’s a hard question to answer. Right. Because how big was the garden and how many times the serpent hold a conversation? Because I think if I remember it and it’s coming to my mind, I think the Bible says if all the books were written about the Bible, the world couldn’t even contain it all.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
There’s so much information in it. I mean, think about it. We can go to Barnes & Noble right now, and there’s probably a whole wall of writings about Bible and how it ties into politics and how it ties into culture and how it ties into daily living and devotionals and all that kind of stuff. So it makes you wonder, because I didn’t even think about the deception part until you said deception. We’re bringing it all the way back to the garden. Did it all start there? It had to start somewhere. No, it started in heaven when he deceived the angels. Oh, so you think it all started up in heaven? Then that brings up, because we’ve tried to have an episode on that. What was the angel thinking that got kicked out of heaven when he was created by the dude that kicked him out?
SPEAKER 10 :
It boggles my mind still today. It doesn’t. And that’s why it’s so important that you guys utter us utmost importance for you to, you know, it says he that hungers and thirsts for righteousness shall be saved. So, I mean, how hungry and how thirsty are you for truth? How hungry and thirsty are you for seeking the Lord? Because the Lord says in his word that he’ll lead you to all knowledge and understanding. on how hungry you truly are.
SPEAKER 09 :
I did not expect to have a whole Bible episode right here, but this is cool. And call us on the other side at 303-477-5600 because we’re going to start off with how did that angel get deceived or how did he deceive all kinds of other ones? We’re going to try to dive into it. We’ll see you on the other side.
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SPEAKER 09 :
How’s everybody doing? This is the second half of The Guy’s Perspective. Call us at 303-477-5600. We’re talking about, are you religious? Are you spiritual? Why are there so many different religions? And we’re going to jump back into it. It says there’s 4,200 plus religions worldwide. 85% of the world identifies with a religious group of some sort. um some of the most popular religions or establishments is christianity islam hinduism buddhism judaism and it’s amazing that how and and we’re going to go into the the normally i i’m an engineer i’m not some certified psychologist even though that’s the avenue i was going to go down really was you know medical field the whole nine yards and so i wanted to be a psychologist No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But I was taking all those classes for what I was going to go originally in college for. So I studied a lot on psychology and sociology and things like that. And so when we bring in the sociology part, it’s me and you, even though there’s just two of us, we are now considered a community. If we add Charlie in, we’re a growing community. And so that’s how it works. So when you think of the family structure, when you think of a home, when you think of a husband, a wife, children, that is a community. They have a culture that they’re building, that they’re establishing their life principles upon. And so when you look at the angel, when you look at Lucifer or the devil, whatever people want to call him, the serpent, In heaven, there was a community. Somehow he managed to revolt against that community. And so do you think deception, since you said it earlier, he deceived a whole bunch of angels. Did he basically create deceptions and lies and things like that? He’s a father of all lies.
SPEAKER 10 :
hmm he’s the father of lies so i mean and so if he’s the father of lies and he’s out to steal kill and destroy you gotta be you gotta be on your a-game to figure out what church is you know true and what is not so do you believe do you believe religion can tell a person a lie Oh, of course.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, it’s happening all over.
SPEAKER 09 :
All over the globe?
SPEAKER 10 :
Because there’s a scripture that says that the good and the bad were, and the Lord said, don’t pluck it out. I think it’s in Matthew. It’s a parable. He said the thorn and the good and the bad grow together, but don’t pluck out the bad because you’ll pluck out the good also.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s amazing. That’s amazing that you brought up that scripture. Most people don’t understand what that scripture means. You do. I do. I mean, I studied that scripture a lot because when I was younger, I didn’t understand what it means. But the wheat and the terror is like, you let that bad grow with that good. For a time, because if you uproot it, you may take the good with it. And that’s, it makes you think of heaven. Is that what Lucifer was doing? Because God had to have known that he was whispering in other angels’ ears, like, hey, let’s revolt, dude. I mean, you know what I’m saying? At midnight. We’re going at midnight, boys. People call us at 303-477-5600. No, that isn’t funny, though. No, no, no, it does. And then it brings you back to the garden. Like that deception went from heaven to the garden.
SPEAKER 10 :
And now it’s down to the church.
SPEAKER 09 :
That is deep. Explain that. You can’t just make a comment on air like that without explaining that one, man.
SPEAKER 10 :
Like I was saying earlier, I was saying think about how many religions preach the baptism of the Holy Ghost different in every church. Okay, that’s the most imperative thing. For a believer, I don’t care what your pastor’s telling you. I don’t care what your mom’s telling you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, those people here on this show would contradict you.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, hold on. This is Bible. What do you mean? We’re reading all the same Bible. I’m not going to pick out a scripture right now and, you know, what do they call that where you just pick a little scripture here and you pick a little scripture here? No, this is for every man. on the planet it says without the spirit of the lord living inside you you are none of his okay that’s easy to interpret okay well that tells me if i don’t have the holy ghost guess what i’m not the lords that’s real simple well then then let me then when you with that being said let let me also ask you this question it also says
SPEAKER 09 :
that a man who can’t provide for his own is less than an infidel, do they take that for face value? No.
SPEAKER 10 :
I don’t know. I don’t hear a lot of people bring that scripture up.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because you’re saying regardless of what anybody’s pastor teaches, because there’s a lot of people out there that believe that the Son and God are separate. How would you tell them differently? Of what? There’s a lot of people believe that the Son of God is the Son of God and God is God. They’re two separate people. How would you tell them otherwise?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, there’s two different Trinitarians in the world, though. Like, you have two different. If I’m out here seeking for truth, right, how can I go to a Trinitarian belief when there’s confusion among Trinitarians? Okay, so we have one religion that believes three distinct people in Godhead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, so that means the Father being a person, a son being a person, and the Holy Ghost being a person. Okay. So those are three distinct people. But John in the book of Revelation said he saw one on the throne. Okay. Okay. So we can’t have three if one.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
So, and people, if you want to contradict the truth, call at 303-477-5600 because I’ve got another question for you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. So if you were, listen to this. If you were a ruler of old times, you were the king. and you got a son who’s going to be your heir, most people would recognize that prince as the king also. Okay. So if people are looking at, okay, there’s one throne, the son is separate, that doesn’t hold water what you just said. It doesn’t, man.
SPEAKER 10 :
It doesn’t. You’re talking about a king and an heir of somebody who had a son.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because the prince is eventually going to be that king.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but we’re talking about the magical. There’s two different… There’s two different forms here. One is humanity, right?
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
A man having a son, which is natural. And then we’re talking about spirituality. God manifested himself. Okay. The Bible says God manifested himself in the flesh. So God manifested himself. God is in the manifesting body. process he that’s that i mean he manifested himself in creation okay well that’s a manifestation i hope you’re up top of your bible because i’ve read it through many times i’m gonna stomp you with a question okay hold on okay okay isn’t god into manifesting himself i agree yes he is god manifested himself to moses in the burning bush is that a god is is the bush of god because god used it Oh, that’s deep. So you can’t say that that bush is a God. God just used it to manifest himself. So now we have God manifested himself in creation. God manifested himself coming in flesh. I mean, it’s real simple.
SPEAKER 09 :
And call at 303-477-5600. People would really like to hear your feedback. It says, let us make man in our image. That’s what it says in the beginning. So who was God talking to at that point?
SPEAKER 10 :
Probably the angels. Oh. You know, his sidekicks.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s sidekicks. I love it. So it’s amazing. And I’m hitting you with these questions. Me and you believe the same. But if we’re going to let listeners know, then we’ve got to address every scripture that’s coming at us.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. He said, let us make God. Okay. Thank you for bringing it up. He said, so let us make God in our image. Say the scripture again. He said, let us make man in our image. And then what did it say right after that? What was the next verse? It says, so God created man in his likeness and his image.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, being one. So the man was one?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so God created man in his likeness and in his image, being one.
SPEAKER 09 :
Man being one. Well, what about when he was on the cross and he looked up and said, Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, that was humanity speaking at that point because the Spirit of the Lord had left him at that moment. So when he said, Father, forgive them for they don’t know what to do, that’s the humanity of Jesus because Jesus was both man and God at the same times. So when all the sins of the world were being placed on that sacrifice, the Spirit of the Lord had to leave him because God is not.
SPEAKER 09 :
And people, I hope you heard what he said. All the sins of humanity were being placed on that sacrifice. That’s true. Most people have never heard it said like that. You know what I’m saying? That’s old school biblical Bible teaching. Okay, so if you’re going to go down that road, then I’ve got to hit you with another one, man. Go ahead. Okay, so you take God, who is the Son of God. Do you agree he’s the Son of God?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, in a manifestation sense.
SPEAKER 09 :
In a manifestation sense. Why? Why did he have to come and die for humanity in order for humanity to be saved? Hold on, hold on, hold on. If you and me, people like me and you, didn’t have the choice to even be born, why did he have to come and die for us when we didn’t even have a choice to be here?
SPEAKER 10 :
Because he’s the only one worthy to do so.
SPEAKER 09 :
Mm. Mm.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, that’s like having somebody coming into your house, robbing everything you have and telling your boy, hey, son, go down and watch the fold. So if somebody comes into your house and is going to kill your family, are you going to send your son to go take care of it? Are you going to grab your gun and go protect your family?
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right. No, yeah, yeah, I would grab the gun. No, for sure. I mean, but in the same sense… What we’re saying right here is there’s a different culture. So when you believe one way and somebody comes and believes a different way, and that’s the reason I’m bringing these different scriptures at you, because there’s people out there that believe a certain way. Does it make them right or wrong?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, if you’re wrong, you’re wrong.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I mean, what if they think they’re right?
SPEAKER 10 :
But what if they think they’re right? Well, you know, the Bible says to worship the Lord in spirit and in truth. So we need to, we didn’t know the truth of what God says. And that brings me back to the baptism of the Holy ghost. So if you, if your church is preaching one, we had to receive the Holy ghost and the other church is preaching another way. Right? So if I, if, if I’m telling you that, you know, to be filled with the Holy Ghost, you got to speak in an unknown tongue. I got a Bible for that, but no one wants to believe it. My belief is that once you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, you will speak in an unknown tongue. Right? So if the guy next to me in another church is telling you something different… and you’re not believing that you’re receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost that way, then wonder if you’re not receiving the Holy Ghost at all.
SPEAKER 09 :
So then let me ask you this question, and this is pretty deep going off of what you said. If somebody is going to a different religion versus the way that you believe, and they don’t know no better, and they end up passing away in a car wreck or something, are they going to heaven or are they not? I’m not a judge. Okay, because at the end of the day, I think what happens is I would think that a person is judged off of what they know, right? Like if you take somebody who’s in the Congo of Africa and they’re all like talking like that, you know what I’m saying? Like who knows like what they believe or don’t believe? At the end of the day, I believe God is a merciful God. And I believe that he loves everybody the same. So I believe everybody gets the same chance and opportunity regardless.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, we all have the same chance. That’s why he said he won’t come back until the word’s been preached to every nation. So we all have a chance.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right? Yeah, because it all goes back to the deception that you talked about. When you take an extremist group, and listen, we’re talking deep Bible stuff here that probably most people don’t talk on the air. When you think of like how a person turns to the religion that they choose to turn to, I think it’s a deep rooted part of their culture. For example, would you take a person who’s part of some occult group? They didn’t just wake up one day and say, hey, you know what? I’m going to be a devil worshiper. That ain’t how that worked. They turned around and the reason why they joined that establishment is because they found purpose. Without a purpose, a person’s not even gonna turn to the Lord or turn away from the Lord. You know what I’m saying? If there’s no purpose behind what a person does, they could care less. Yeah, that’s good. I mean, when you think about why people leave churches, I don’t think people leave churches based off of what’s being taught. I think people leave churches based off of their culture and what you’re allowing them to be a part of. People want to be a part of a community. They want to feel like they’re helping to grow something or build something. And if you take that away from them, they’re like, forget this. I’m gone. You know?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so if you’re so normal to, you know, just sitting there having a church service, normal church service, then you go to a church where they’re, you know, dancing, you know, clapping, you know, worshiping. Right, you want involvement. Yeah, it’s a little, what did you say earlier? You’re struck.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because it all goes… Your culture’s struck. Right, because it all ties in together. Like, we’ll go back to the occult thing. Like, you see people that commit suicide all the time. I mean, suicide’s on an all-time high, right? People turn to drugs every single day. And I believe the reason they’re doing that is because they’re looking for a purpose in life. And when there’s not a purpose, they turn and go a different way. The same thing with church. So I thought about this a little while ago. How is it that one church can have 20,000 members and another church only have 100? Don’t say it’s because of what they preach. or teach of course it is no indeed not i believe i will i will dictate all day long it’s one has a different culture they were brought up in and second they are made to feel like they’re a part of that community if you if you go to work And nobody ever tells you what to do, your job title or whatnot. And you can’t figure out what you’re going to do. You’re going to be like, forget this job.
SPEAKER 10 :
But you’ve got to quit worrying about being a part of a community.
SPEAKER 09 :
You have to worry about being a part of a community.
SPEAKER 10 :
The Bible said to leave your father and your mother to follow him. So you’re following Jesus and you’re not worried about the community that you’re being a part of to feel special.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, you are. Because when you’re leaving your father and mother and you’re following Christ, because I think it says that any man puts his hands to the plow and looks back is not worthy for the kingdom of God. You have to feel a part of something. If you go to church day in and day out, like let’s say you have this amazing voice to sing, but you never get the opportunity to use it. You’re going to go someplace where you can use it. regardless of what they’re teaching. It’s not about obedience. It’s not about disobedience. It’s about feeling like you’re fulfilling what you’ve been taught. And everybody’s home is different. Everybody’s life is different. So when somebody says, go ye therefore and baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and they go to a church that says, hey, man, well, that name is Jesus. And their whole life they’ve been taught something different. And you don’t make them feel like they’re a part of that community. They’re probably going to leave.
SPEAKER 10 :
But then I think you’ve got to try to win those people over with being a better example of the next Christian. Or the next person who’s trying to minister to him. You’ve got to stand out above the norm. You’ve got to stand out and make yourself look different than that person. Like the other day at work, one of the ladies told me,
SPEAKER 09 :
Call at 303-477-5600.
SPEAKER 10 :
One of the ladies told me she loved me being at the job site, that there was just something different about you. There was a different aura about you. We love having you. And that’s what you got to do. You got to make people see that, that there’s something different, that he has something that most people have.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I agree. But when a person comes into your establishment, your religion, if they don’t initially feel like they’re going to number one take something from it to be a part of it they’re leaving that community regardless regardless it doesn’t matter what’s being taught or what’s not being taught because society has already from the time you were born has already put you in a mold of what you’re a part of and that’s the reason why i use democrats republicans um non-affiliated whatever it is You’re a part of something. You’re a part of some kind of community. And that’s the reason sociology is so huge in church. Because without a purpose, you’re not even going to go, period. You’re going to stay in bed. Because at least in bed, you’ve got a purpose. It’s sleep.
SPEAKER 10 :
But even when you do have a purpose, most people are staying in bed.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, indeed not. Oh, yeah. No, indeed not. I will disagree that. And if anybody disagrees or agrees with the truth, call at 303-477-5600. If you have a purpose, you’re showing up. You have a job to do at your job. There’s a purpose there. So you show up. Maybe it’s just for the money. Maybe that’s the purpose of you doing your job. But there’s a lot of people on this planet that they do a lot of things outside of money.
SPEAKER 10 :
But what I’m trying to say is that most people are watching, you know, church services from their phone.
SPEAKER 09 :
You can’t say that. You can’t say that. You cannot say that. I see it at my own house. Well, yeah, maybe at your own house. But I would say that there’s more people getting up going to a Sunday morning church service than they are sitting there watching it on TV. But, I mean, that’s my opinion. I could be wrong, and if people know better than us, call at 303-477-5600. Because I think the reason why some churches stay at 50 members and one stays at 1,000 members, it’s because the members they have, they give them a job. I’m not talking just like, you know, trimming the trees. I mean, maybe that’s what it is, but they give them some kind of purpose in that community. And when they’re in that community, they thrive and it makes them feel like they’re accomplishing.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Cause that’s huge, dude. Like, let’s look at just life in general. Like, you know, being an engineer. You know, I feel like there’s a purpose to it. You know, but if you don’t have a purpose in life, I think that’s the reason people commit suicide. I think that’s the reason they turn to drugs. I think that’s because they haven’t found a purpose yet. Maybe I could be wrong, though.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, that sounds good. Well, you know, without a vision, people perish.
SPEAKER 09 :
I was just going to bring that up. Listen, that scripture is more true today than it’s ever been before. Because if you don’t have a vision or a goal of what you want to do. You just stay stagnant. You know, I heard this person say like years ago, like, and I don’t know if it’s true or not, that a pond of stagnant water is just there and leeches are able to grow in it and bad stuff’s able to grow in it. But a river that’s flowing or water that’s always flowing. Like, like things, bad stuff can’t really happen in it because there’s always a continuation of water. And I don’t know if that’s true or not. I don’t know. It sounds good, but, but you see what I’m saying? Like, I think. People change when you make them feel a part of your community.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, like if you walk up to someone on the street and you’re like, ah, man, what you believe is wrong. Get out of here with that crap. They’re probably just going to walk away from you. They’re probably going to look at you and be like, oh, he was wrong. But if you make them a part of your community or a part of your family, I think it changes the dynamics. You know? Because I think you get more honey from the… Seriously, you get more honey from the beehive when you’re good to the bees. you know if people listen we’re i know we dove into the bible and we got real deep on it but every week you can call it 303-477-5600 you can look us up online at theguysperspective5 at gmail.com and if there’s ever a topic you want us to talk about let us know and we got three more minutes so we’re going to finish this so i guess back to what i was originally saying i mean Adam, you know, the deceiver. Because when you said that word, it changed everything I had because I didn’t even think about that. Deception is all around us. And, I mean, do you think there’s more deception in religion today than there was 40 years ago? Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, how, you know, the deception of, do you think, you know, some churches are trying to control. You think some are trying to control the members, control people. Maybe pastors using, you know, their power.
SPEAKER 09 :
Do you know what high control religion is? No, I never heard of it. You never even heard of it? Uh-uh. So high control religion is basically somebody that is so – is a dictator, for example. No, yeah. Think about it. Hitler would have been a high control religion.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
Like he turned around and he was like, hey, let’s do it this way. We can take over the whole entire world. I just don’t think that that is a successful method when it comes to Christianity. You know what I’m saying? Of course. I think people should be open-minded instead of saying, hey, it’s either my way or the highway. Because I think there’s more than one way to build a house. Sure, you start with the foundation, but maybe you put the north wall on first and then the south wall. I don’t know. But when it comes to high-control religion, I just don’t— But that’s not Bible. No, and I don’t think it is. I don’t think high-control religion is not Bible. It’s not.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, you said you build a house, but there’s many ways to build a house, and I would have to disagree. Okay, tell me. Because the apostles said, he that preach any other doctrine than what we preached, let him be accursed. So if the apostles had a doctrine that they were preaching— and you’re over here… Oh, this is good. Okay, so then what’s the number… God, I wish we had more time. If the apostles were preaching a doctrine, and you’re over here preaching another doctrine, you’re accursed.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, perfect. I’m glad you said that. So then what’s the number one attribute of a Christian? What’s the number one attribute?
SPEAKER 10 :
I would say…
SPEAKER 09 :
Come on, man. You tell me. Love. Okay. It says though you speak with angels and you can prophesy till the cows come home. If you don’t love people, then you’re none of his.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, so I agree with that and I don’t too.
SPEAKER 09 :
So there are different ways to build the house.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, Brock.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, the foundation starts with a community of love. You give this person a job of what him and her do, they’re going to succeed. God, I wish we had more time on this, man.
SPEAKER 10 :
He says to love your neighbor as you love yourself. So we already know that you love yourself.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, there’s some people out there who don’t love themselves. You can’t say that when there’s people committing suicide left and right.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think the Bible tells you you love yourself, but bad situation after bad situation, and then you’ve allowed that situation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Listen, people, we’re about to go. Call us next week at 303-477-5600. We’re going to continue on this topic right here next week. We’re going to have the boys jump in with us.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but the last thing I want to say before we get off, I think bad situation after bad situation occurs, you allow that to accumulate, and then it enters into your brain and your thoughts, and before you know it, depression sets in.
SPEAKER 09 :
We’re going to continue it next week. We’re going to dissect it. We’re going to dissect it next week. Y’all have a good day.
SPEAKER 04 :
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