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Join us for a riveting episode of The Kim Munson Show, where we delve into the headlines that are shaping our world. From complex geopolitical tensions to the intricacies of domestic politics, we seek clarity in uncertain times. Our analysis touches on the potential global impacts of leadership changes and examines the delicate balance between freedom and government control. Special guest Kathy Russell brings her unique perspective as a former scientist to the conversation. Her personal transformation from adherence to scientific orthodoxy to a supporter of free-market principles provides a refreshing lens through which to view current issues. Kathy
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It’s the Kim Munson Show, analyzing the most important stories.
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That seems to me like government is establishing a religion.
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The latest in politics and world affairs.
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If you give people rights, women’s rights, gay rights, whatever, there can’t be equal rights if there are special rights.
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Today’s current opinions and ideas.
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Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. Welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose today. Strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team that I get to work with. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And Mike, I cannot believe that we are… Getting close to the middle of November. Thanksgiving’s right around the corner. But we’ve got a lot to be grateful for, my friend.
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Yes, ma’am, we do. I definitely do.
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And you were just looking at some of the news. You said this was late-breaking regarding Vladimir Putin, huh, Producer Joe?
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Yes, ma’am. I was watching some things last night, and I found out when he was elected he was— kind of warning the U.S. about there might be a World War III if we keep stepping into Ukraine.
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Hmm. That’s such an interesting development here with the election of Donald Trump, so stay tuned. The world was much more peaceful in the first Donald Trump administration, so let’s see what happens with this one, because that’s really the last thing that we really want is World War III, although… Was it Colonel John Mills that was on the show that said, we actually, we are in World War III right now with all of the stuff that’s going on. So let’s get this world back to a little bit more peaceful. I would say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It’s because of all of our great sponsors and all the support from all of you that our independent voice is on the air. And so I greatly appreciate all of you. Last night was the Colorado Union of Taxpayers board meeting, and we’re preparing for the legislative session, which will begin the I think it’s on January 8th of 2025. And we will be watching what’s happening down at the state legislature. We would love to have you join us as members. When you do, you will receive the weekly email that we send to the legislators and the governor. And when you see these people, they’re all volunteers. Be sure and say thank you to them. That is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Carl Honiger, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Joseph O’Loughlin, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, and Ramey Johnson, all just doing amazing, amazing work. Our word of the day, and I thought I had this figured out on how to pronounce this, and I think this was Richard that sent this over, but it’s chimera. And it could be a monster from Greek mythology that breathes fire and has a lion’s head, a goat’s body, and a snake’s tail. Or it could be something that exists only in the imagination and is not possible in reality. And so they used it in a sentence. Economic stability in that country is a chimera. And, again, hopefully I’m getting that pronunciation right. I’m sure that Gammy or someone can help me out on that or Richard. Did I get it right?
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Yes, ma’am, you did.
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Okay. Thank you, Joe. We’re on that. Our quote of the day went to Henry Hazlitt because in the second hour, producer Joe and producer Luke will be our featured guests as we continue through this book, Economics in One Lesson. And so Henry Hazlitt was born in 1894. He died in 1993. He was an American journalist who wrote about business and economics for such publications as the Wall Street Journal. The Nation, the American Mercury, Newsweek, and the New York Times. And he said this, the real solution to the problem of poverty consists in finding how to increase the employment and earning power of the poor. Dignity of work, jobs, lower taxes, lower fees, all those things could be super, super helpful. I think the first thing that we want to mention is Donald Trump is, he is to work. I cannot believe what he is getting done here already. And somebody said this, that he has 100 days to make all these things work. And last time around, when he was president, I think that he came to Washington, D.C., and I think he looked at this like a business. He looked at key players, their expertise, bring us together, we have this agenda, and we will make things happen. Well, what happened is the Republicans really dragged their feet and didn’t get – things done initially. I think that they really pushed back. I think there is a group that still is the case. It’s the old guard. But I think Donald Trump means business. And it’s pretty amazing that he is actually coming in and making appointments. I cannot believe all of the appointments that he has already made. appointing right now. But first of all, this is from Reuters. Their decision desk projects that the Republicans will retain the U.S. House majority, which this is really huge. So we need people to get to work, and we need to do what we can to to reclaim the American idea and save this country. And so that’s a pretty big deal. I think it’s a pretty razor-thin margin on that, but nonetheless, that is in the right direction. Now, regarding – let’s see. This is a number of – and I think many of you are probably aware of this. Susie Wiles has been selected chief of staff and the first woman to ever be selected for that particular position. And it’s just amazing the Masonicists or whatever would actually choose a woman. That is just amazing. Mike Waltz has been tapped as the potential national security advisor. And he is a retired Army National Guard officer and war veteran. And so there is that. And he’s a three-term GOP congressman. I do wonder how this is going to work out as he is tapping many of these congressmen and women as to be part of his cabinet, because we certainly don’t want to lose anything in that razor-thin majority. Tom Homan, 62 years of age, has been tasked with being the border czar. And Elise Stefanik, United Nations ambassador, she’s a representative from New York. Stephen Miller has been designated as the potential deputy chief of staff for policy. And it says he is an immigration hardliner, and he was a vocal spokesperson during the presidential campaign for Trump’s priority, mass deportations. And so that’s Stephen Miller. Lee Zeldin, looks like he has been potentially tapped for the EPA. And so this is super interesting. I think that’s it for right now on that. So that’s the first things. Let’s see. Got our word of the day. I do want to continue to talk about this day in history, so there’s a few things that I found of interest. In 1923 in Germany, Adolf Hitler is arrested for his attempt to seize power during the Beer Hall Putsch coup. Then he doesn’t give up. Ten years later, 1933, the Nazis receive 92% of the vote in the German parliamentary elections. And that is why we need to stay vigilant and continue to work each and every day here. 1942, the SS Robert E. Perry, a Liberty ship, was built, get this, in four days and 15 and a half hours at Henry J. Kaiser’s Richmond Shipyard No. 2 is launched, setting a new record. Four days and 15 and a half hours. Pretty amazing. 1942, super important. World War II naval battle of Guadalcanal begins between the Allied and Japanese forces in the Solomon Islands. 1954, Ellis Island Immigration Station is closed. Weather event, 1987. Heavy snow closes schools from D.C. to Maine. That is why it’s important to really understand this narrative on climate. And so be sure and check out the documentary at climateconversation.com. You can watch the movie for free. And these amazing podcasts that we have created. And I think our most recent one was with Lonnie Kennedy. So you will want to check that out. And then in 1998, Vice President of the United States Al Gore symbolically signs the Kyoto Declaration. The U.S. never ratifies that, but this is that movement towards the climate narrative by the globalists, and so that happened in 1998. And let’s see, any other headlines? Colorado DAs, we’re going to stay on this, are investigating the password leak by the Secretary of State’s office, and that is from Westward. That was reported by them. Show comes to you because of our sponsors. One of those sponsors is Hooters Restaurants. There’s five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs, and a great place to get together for lunch for their specials Monday through Friday, and they have specials for happy hour. as well. How I got to know them, it’s a very important story about freedom, free markets and capitalism and those pesky PBIs, those politicians, bureaucrats and interested parties that want to use power, coercion, a whole bunch of different things to try to control our lives. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. I’m pleased to have on the line with me Kathy Russell, and she is the author at FreeBoulder.org and a friend of mine. And she called to talk about the results of the election, and she shared a really interesting story. And I thought, I think it would be good for us to talk about that. Kathy Russell, welcome to the show. Oh, thank you so much, Kim. Great to be here. Well, and it’s great to have you. Yeah, good. Yeah. Kathy, your journey has been super interesting. So give us just a little description of your journey to the point now where you’re so excited that Donald Trump was elected as president for the 47th president of the United States.
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Oh, okay. Well, I have been a scientist for many, many years. And indoctrinated with the educational system, I have to say, in retrospect. And I love being a scientist, and our educational system is really, in so many ways, really, really fabulous. And I’m very glad for the PhD that I got in microbiology. But along that path, one of the lessons that I learned in grad school and as an undergrad, and even going back earlier, was that humans are a cancer on the planet. that we’re destroying the Earth. And that’s relevant for the little story I want to give you. But then I’m so passionate about the science of evolution that I took a really deep dive into it and I’ve been writing a book for kids about the story of the universe. And in the process of writing that book, I’ve learned all kinds of things that completely oppose the narrative. I always voted Democrat. And up until… COVID. And then during COVID, I just started looking into things really deeply and found that so much of what I had been taught, or what I believed was not true. Top among them possibly is the climate narrative. You know, I believe climate change is real. Absolutely. But it is not the existential threat that people are making it out to be. And to me, that That narrative is probably one of the most dangerous narratives, not only in terms of bankrupting the world, literally. I mean, the goal is to spend $9.2 trillion a year, which is crazy. But to me, the more devastating aspect of the whole climate change narrative is that humans are a cancer on the planet. And… Yeah, so is that an overview of my life?
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Yes, and so you now, very thrilled, you’ve become a Trump supporter. And, of course, you’re with the Boulder Tapas and Topics girls, which are just so vibrant. But you called and just so excited about Donald Trump being elected 47th president of the United States. And I am as well. We’ve got a lot of work to do on this, but… So, Kathy, a couple of things. You are this spirit that you care deeply about our fellow man. You’re Christian. And with all that and with this journey, first of all, you’ve created FreeBoulder.org, which I would recommend that people can go there and they can find many of the things that you’re writing there at FreeBoulder.org.
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Yeah, thank you. Yeah, and the goal, I think, with FreeBoulder.org is just to create freedom. And, Kim, you and I are both in Liberty Toastmasters. I know you’re affiliated with that. Yeah, I still am. And the motto for that is a quotation by Thomas Jefferson who said, The liberty of speaking and writing guards our other liberties. And I would tweak that just a little bit that – the liberty of speaking and writing creates our other liberties it is our freedom is based on knowledge and knowledge is like having a map to a a treasure and if you have a map that is knowledgeable that gives you the right information you’re going to find that treasure if you have a map that lead you astray with misinformation, you’re not going to find that treasure. In fact, you could fall over a cliff. So it’s this idea. I’m so excited. And there’s physicists like David Deutsch, a super famous physicist who is now talking about the future, the beginning of infinity, that it is this ability, humans’ creativity, that begins with sharing and creating knowledge. that is leading us to the most beautiful, inevitable, amazing future with flourishing for all. And that is a core foundational belief of mine that gives me a lot of peace and happiness, and it’s inevitable. And I think Donald Trump’s victory was maybe it wasn’t inevitable, but something like that. the freedom that he represents and his coalition represents the freedom that we’re moving toward.
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Well, and Kathy, one of the things I used to, as a Christian, when they said that we were created in the image of God, I was thinking this was the two legs, arms, all that. But what I really have come to understand is that God is a creator and we’re created in his image. So we are creators. So that is one of these things about looking at humans as a cancer on the earth is instead of the beautiful creation that each and every human being is, is clearly that that is antithetical to God’s vision of a creator. And you and I, I think we could do a Joe Rogan. I think we could do three hours, you and I talking. But I wanted to get you on, and we don’t have a lot of time. But you had shared this story with me that had happened a month or so ago. And you amaze me. You go into different places. SITUATIONS THAT SOMETIMES THEY WOULDN’T HAVE EVEN CROSSED MY MIND. SO SET THIS UP FOR US AND WHAT HAPPENED REGARDING YOU ENDED UP GETTING TO TALK WITH POLICE OFFICERS.
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OKAY. YEAH. SO I WAS THERE’S A SPEAKER IN BOULDER. HIS NAME IS WARREN HEARN. AND HE’S WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED HOMO ECOPHAGUS WHICH IS HOMO ECOPHAGUS MEANS HUMANS the environment eaters or the ecosystem eaters. And he has a deep diagnosis to save the Earth. He’s been terrified that humans are a cancer on the planet for most of his life. And his solution, part of his solution is to limit the number of people, and that has driven him to become a late-term abortion doctor, one of the only ones, I think the only remaining one. So I was curious to go hear more about his talk, and I want to empathize with him. I don’t want to vilify him. I want to understand what drives him. So I went to his talk. He just released a new book called Abortion in the Age of Unreason. So he gave a talk talking about how He was liberating women, but mainly about how he’s been persecuted because he’s misunderstood and he’s trying to save the planet from what he believes is inevitable ruin if we don’t turn things around. Anyway, at one point, so he talked about his best friend was murdered by somebody who had been labeled baby killer, baby killer, baby, Dr. Killer, baby killer, Dr. Killer, baby killer. which was a terrible, tragic story, which shouldn’t happen, and it does. So anyway, towards the end of his talk, he mentioned how Donald Trump was a dictator, and we know that because he said he wanted to be dictator for a day. Well, I knew that that was a joke, so I just raised my hand and I said, oh, excuse me, that was a joke. And my intention there was to calm things down so that we didn’t have another assassination attempt on Trump. Donald Trump, or anybody. At that point, three, I was shocked, three police just immediately surrounded me. Two grabbed me, one on each arm. And then the third one said, you’re going to have to leave. And I said, what? You know, what did I do? And they said, well, either you leave or we are carrying you out of here. And not knowing what I did, I said, well, I’m not, you know, that’s crazy. Why would I leave? And so they picked me up and took me out. Took me out of the room. I was shocked. and i’ve been thinking about that and just what do i do what do i do and i realize my response wants to be to understand what happened what happened was he’s terrified that whole group of people is terrified and i believe that the foundation of their care is this climate narrative that we’re all going to die and so of course you’re going to do including shut up the opposition or anybody who seems to be remotely in opposition to doing everything they can to end climate change. So long story short, my invitation to myself, and I’m going to say it out loud to you and to everybody, is that The response is we’ve got to create freedom. We’ve got to not vilify Dr. Hearn. We’ve got to empathize with Dr. Hearn. We have to understand that he really, on some level, he really does love people. He does love our environment. I don’t know what his stance on God is, but he’s not… He’s not a bad person, but his ideas are the most dangerous on the planet right now. And so what we have to do is talk to our neighbors, talk to our friends, and invite them all to listen to what you have put together with the climate change conversation that is so beautiful you model calmness curiosity so listen to that learn about climate scientists there’s so much great stuff patrick moore i want to highlight because he’s a huge champion of global greening and everybody needs to know about global greening i have a post on treebolder.org with links to more information about global greening which shows that crazily enough Human impact is making the earth greener, more habitable, more food for people. So the other invitation is, yeah, talk to all your friends and always acknowledge the awesomeness of everybody. Be like Trump. Trump talks to Kim Jong-un, you know, one of many standards, a person, one of the most dangerous people on the planet. And he calls him his good friend. He’s acknowledging his awesomeness because that’s how you persuade. That’s how you end the threat of a nuclear war, which is what Trump did. That’s what I love about Trump. He is a creator of deals. He’s a creator of creating freedom. He’s a freedom creator.
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Oh, Kathy Russell, I love that. We’re out of time, but check out FreeBoulder.org, and thank you for sharing this with us. I appreciate it. You’re so calm about being carted out by the police. I’m not sure I’d look at it quite like that, but Kathy Russell, it’s great to talk to you, and we will talk again very soon. Okay, great. Thank you so much, Kim. Oh, my gosh. It’s so interesting. All of this is so interesting, and all of this comes to us because of our sponsors. One of those is Karen Levine.
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and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it And do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation’s website. Through the month of November, they have a donor who has stepped up to the plate and will match your buy-a-brick purchase to honor your military service or your loved one’s military service. And you can get all that information by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. It is a lovely gift. You will receive a beautiful certificate that you can give to your loved one for Christmas, Hanukkah. It is a beautiful gift, and I highly recommend you check out usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Kathy Russell, in the previous segment, had mentioned the documentary A Climate Conversation, which is the project of Walt Johnson. And actually, Colton Moyer was the director on that and also the writer. He and… Walt collaborated on that. So really, the credit goes to the two of them. But I do have the great honor of moderating that. And then we’ve started this amazing podcast series as well. And one of our most recent podcasts is with Steve Gorman. And he’s the executive director of the Climate Science Coalition of America and author of four books on energy, climate change, sustainable development, and public policy with over 10,000 copies in print. His latest book, Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure, was published in August of last year. Steve Gorham, welcome to the show.
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Hi, Kim. Great to join you this morning.
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Well, great to have you. And the podcast that we did, and I think that’s going to be published any day now, really an excellent podcast. And so I would recommend that people check all that out at climateconversation.com. And things have changed since we had first started to get you booked on the show. First of all, the election. So regarding the Trump election, what do you think this means for this climate movement and green energy policies?
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Well, this is just about 180 degree change, of course. Vice President Kamala Harris had said, quote, climate change has become a climate crisis and a threat has now become reality, which is generally the point of view of folks that are wanting to fight climate change. Our new reelection of President Trump, he has said, quote, I don’t think it’s a hoax, but I don’t know that it’s man-made. And I think he’s probably correct. I think if you really look at the evidence, nature dominates Earth’s temperatures. Nature dominates the climate. Human emissions are a very, very small part of all of that. But in any case, Mr. Trump is going to make some big changes. And the recent appointment of Lee Zeldin really is fundamental to those changes as administrator of the EPA, because so many of U.S. climate laws come from EPA policies nowadays. And during his first term, there was not much of an effort to change what the EPA was doing. But we’ll have to look and see what occurs over this term.
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So Steve Gorman, let’s see, the Chevron deference decision was made by the Supreme Court during this last administration. So that’s a game changer for all of this as well, correct?
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Well, it is. And I think the Chevron decision talked about major policy issues and said that those have to generally come from Congress and not from the administration of bureaucracy. Is that correct?
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And so that is really a big deal, and it has kind of reigned in some of the environmental efforts. But the EPA has put forward a bunch of different things. One is a rulemaking on power plant emissions. Another is a rulemaking on automobile carbon dioxide emissions. And those have been put into place, although they’re being challenged in court. There are also – the EPA continues to – provide waivers to California in particular. And California goes out and puts in a regulation saying that all trucks have to be, all heavy trucks have to be zero emissions. And then a bunch of other states pick that up. And so I think Mr. Zeldin can make a bunch of changes on these policies and get us back to what we really need to do, which is to control real pollution, real harmful pollution, which is things like carbon monoxide, ozone, particulates, nitrogen oxides, sulfur oxides, and not this attack on carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is an odorless, harmless, invisible gas. It makes plants grow. We each breathe out about two pounds of carbon dioxide every day, about 100 times what we breathe in because we produce it when we burn sugars in our body. And it shouldn’t even be called a pollutant. So I think we’ll see what Mr. Trump and Mr. Zelden do, but I think there’s going to be a big turnaround.
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So, Steve Gorham, though, what I’ve seen is in, for example, in academia, this narrative of man-made climate change is really being indoctrinated into many of our students. And, in fact, I had a friend of mine on in the previous segment that she’s a scientist. She’s a microbiologist, biology scientist. and had really believed that narrative as she was going through the educational system that humans are a cancer on the earth. And she said it wasn’t really until the whole reaction to COVID that she started to look at different things to the point where she’s an ardent Trump supporter now, but it’s been quite a journey for her. But so many in academia, so many young people are being taught that it is humans that are a cancer on this earth.
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Well, humans certainly have a big impact, and we’ve grown to big population, and we’ve taken over many areas for human civilization and cities. And we do produce real pollution, but there really are positives in many ways if you look at recent trends. And that is, for example, in the United States, our air pollution has gone down by about 80 percent since 1980. The amount of pollutants that come out of the tailpipes of our vehicles are down 98 percent since 1970, 1980. If you look at deforestation, we are still losing forests globally. But the United Nations data shows that the loss every decade is declining. Fewer trees were cut down this last decade than the decade before and the decade before that. And so the trends indicate we’re going to have global, by the way, we have about two-thirds of the nations of the world that now have stable or growing forests. The United States, Europe, even China, India, many, many places. So by 2050, we’re probably going to get back to global forest growth. Another thing is agricultural land. When I go speak to groups, I say what global agricultural event occurred about the year 2000. And it’s the case where farmers have started using less land for farming and pasture than they did previously, despite the fact that we still have a growing population. Global farming land use is now declining, according to United Nations figures. And that means farmers are giving land back to nature. There are a lot of positive things, and I think those are good news for the future.
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Does that affect our food source, though, because we have a growing population, and if we’re using less land for farming and pasture, that seems like that could be on a collision for food shortages.
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Well, no, it really isn’t because farmers have gotten so productive in the last 100 years. For example, if you look at the United States, We actually, our peak land use for corn production was 1918. It’s been declining since. It’s come up a little because we’re using a lot for ethanol fuel recently, but still 1918 was the peak. But the amount of corn we’re producing is 10 times as large as it was in 1918. So farmers globally have gotten so productive that they don’t need to put so much land into use. And so that’s a very, very positive sort of thing. But you never hear these sorts of things in the In the press, they all say, well, you know, we’re doing all these terrible things and pollution is getting worse and those things really are not correct. We need to continue to reduce real pollution and conserve the land, but quit this attack on carbon dioxide.
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Because carbon dioxide is plant food. It’s part of this whole big circle of life. And so this attack upon carbon dioxide and then also the attack upon the oil, gas, and coal industry, natural gas is integral in the production of fertilizer. And I know even with my little tomato plants out in the pots that I have in the backyard in the summer, I give them a shot of fertilizer and the production goes up. So it’s crazy to me that we would try to demonize something that makes plants flourish even more. Again, this helps with a growing population, unless people don’t like a growing population.
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Well, some don’t. I mean, there have been Jacques Cousteau, for example, the great oceanographer who said we had way too many people and we shouldn’t have more than a billion people on the earth. He was actually proposing we would get rid of billions of people. So there are some extreme views. But the good news, you know, by the way, the elites in the world that tell us today that carbon dioxide is a terrible problem, climate change is a terrible problem, a couple decades ago they were all saying overpopulation is the big problem. We’re all going to have overpopulation and… Millions of people are going to starve. And guess what? Today, people across the world have decided to have fewer kids. And we have actually population does not have birth rates that will support growth in every continent in the world except Africa. We’re going to have falling population throughout the century globally. So this is a case where all the elites in the world, the United Nations, were completely wrong about the population situation. And I think they’re in the same position with this climate change idea.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, so we’re going to continue this discussion. I’m talking with Steve Gorham. He’s the executive director of the Climate Science Coalition of America. And your four books, I want to clarify, there’s over 100,000 copies in print. So I wanted to correct that. I didn’t get all the zeros on there, Steve Gorham. We will continue this discussion. And all of this happens because of our sponsors. And regarding anything mortgages, in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York, reach out to Lorne Levy.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. Check out the Center for American Values located in Pueblo, Colorado. It is on the Riverwalk there. Pueblo is known as the home of heroes because there were four Medal of Honor recipients that grew up in Pueblo, which is a hardworking steel town, hardworking people. And it’s a pretty amazing town. And what they’ve done at the Center for American Values and honoring our Medal of Honor recipients and then these important educational programs for our children is just really wonderful. And they’re nonpartisan. They’re nonpolitical, focusing on these principles and values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. So be sure and check that out at AmericanValuesCenter.org. So pleased to be talking with Steve Gorham. He’s the executive director of the Climate Science Coalition of America and author of four books on energy, climate change, sustainable development, and public policy with over 100,000 copies in print. His latest book is Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure. It was published in August of last year. And be sure and check out our podcast with him at aclimateconversation.com. This is a podcast series that has been created to complement a Climate Conversation documentary, which is the project of Walt Johnson. I thank him for that. And Steve Gorham, what about this upcoming COP29 United Nations Conference? Set this up for us.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, it started yesterday. COP29 is the Conference of the Parties. It’s the United Nations Climate Conference that is held just about every year. The first one was in 1995. And we have thousands. This year they’re expecting 50,000 visitors to get together. And the goal here is to try and find a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions globally and to control climate change. And so they do this every year. We’ll have many dignitaries there. The Biden administration is sending about 20 people there, I think, from many different countries. departments of the administration, led by John Podesta, to talk about this. But, of course, the Trump election has cast a big shadow over this, and also recent elections in Germany where the ruling party has lost its control, and many of the newly elected folks in Germany don’t believe in this idea of climate austerity and all the other things that COP29 wants to do. Um, matter of fact, uh, uh, the, a lot of this is based on the Paris climate agreement that was signed in 2016, where more than 180 nations pledged to reduce their emissions. Uh, president Trump in his first term withdrew the United States from that agreement. Uh, president Biden put us back in and now it’s expected that, uh, Mr. Trump will again withdraw from the Paris climate agreement. But you know, this is very ironic. This is, uh, literally probably the biggest carbon dioxide emitting event of the year, or one of the biggest. 50,000 people are going to fly to Baku, Azerbaijan on the Caspian Sea by either private or commercial aircraft emitting lots of carbon dioxide. And then what they’re doing isn’t really going to have much effect because if you look, the world is still using 81% of its energy. It’s getting 81% of its energy from coal, oil, and natural gas, same as we did back about 1999. So they’ve had all these conferences, 29 of them now. If we live long enough, there might be a COP 50. And they just really don’t do anything except get a lot of delegates together to talk and try and impose policies on people which aren’t really good for them.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow. So, yeah, things have changed, though, with this election just a week ago. It’s amazing how the landscape can change so much on that. Let’s talk a little bit about this global lithium battery fire epidemic, which I was not aware of that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, it’s really amazing what’s going on. We have a new epidemic, and it’s not a version of COVID. It’s lithium battery fires now. And there are just many, many examples of this in just the last few months. There were two fires at battery recycling plants in Scotland, and these are places where they try and recycle batteries, but one was in Kilwinning, one was in Glasgow, and these things burned for three or four days, required 40 or 50 firefighters to try and put them out. We just had one in Missouri a month and a half ago, a recycling plant, In Missouri, batteries caught fire and created a huge fire. And we’re seeing this in electric cars as well. Just a month ago in Incheon, Korea, there’s a Mercedes electric vehicle that was built in China. It was sitting in this parking garage. It had been sitting there for a couple days, wasn’t charging, and it exploded, and it burned up 140 vehicles. These things burn very, very hot. They create their own oxygen as the batteries burn. So you really can’t smother them with water very well. You just have to let them burn out in many cases. And a question for your listeners to consider. What’s the biggest source of fires in New York City right now?
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t know. What?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, it’s not cooking. It’s not smoking. It’s now e-bike lithium battery fires. They had more than 200 fires last year from electric bikes. People put them on the first floor of their apartment in a storage room or in a garage, and they just explode, and they end up burning up the buildings. And they’ve had more than 10 deaths from these fires in the last two years. So this is happening all over, and you wonder what governments are doing about these lithium battery fires. And the answer is they’re doubling down. They are mandating that we… All get electric cars. By the way, if you go on an air flight, they always ask you, do you have a lithium battery in your baggage? They don’t want it in the aircraft. But an EV car battery is about 10,000 times as large as the battery in your cell phone. And so when these things burn, they can burn for a long time. They’re very hot. We have 22 states, including the state of Colorado, that have zero emissions vehicle mandates. by 2035 or another date, which means we have to put all these cars on the road that are susceptible to fire. We also have net zero electricity targets in 23 states. Again, Colorado is one of those. I think your goal is by 2040 to have all electricity come from renewable sources. Just a big issue. By the way, and then the latest thing is, We have a number of states that are putting in what they call grid-scale batteries, which are to back up wind and solar when the wind’s not blowing. And these things are hundreds of times bigger than even a car battery. And we’ve had some spectacular fires in the last few months. Interstate 15 was blocked for 44 hours, and this was east of Los Angeles in the desert. And so people were stranded in the desert. They couldn’t drive away. they couldn’t put this fire out, and they were bringing in water, and they were bringing in fuel for cars because people were trying to run their air conditioners. It was 100 degrees for this period. And so just all these problems going on with these batteries, and it’s going to get worse and worse and worse because governments are pushing this shift to lithium batteries to try and control the climate.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, it seems like these fires would be a real… detriment to the climate, if you will. And Steve Gorman, we’re just about out of time. So let’s talk a little bit about your book then, as you set this up, The Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure. So what should people know about that? This is a very important book. I think people should have this on their bookshelf at home.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, this is a complete discussion of the proposed transition to net zero energy, to wind, solar, and biofuels away from coal, oil, and natural gas by 2050. The wealthy nations of the world are pursuing that. And so the book discusses electricity in your home and in power plants and EVs and heavy industry, heavy transportation, and points out that this is not going to occur. This is beyond a reach-out goal. This is an impossibility. What this push for net zero means is higher energy prices and electricity blackouts. Less freedom because they want to force people to get rid of their gasoline cars and their natural gas stoves. And people are going to demand a return to low-cost, reliable energy. By the way, one last question for your Christian listeners. Now, if you ask a Christian, does the Lord act in your daily lives, most Christians will probably say yes. But then the question that ought to be asked is, well, how come people are now in control of the climate, right? I mean, that doesn’t really make a lot of sense. So climate is dominated by nature, not man-made emissions. And people ought to read the Green Breakdown and my other books to get the real story.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, absolutely. And quite frankly, Steve Gorham, as we look at history, when man tries to act like God, it hasn’t worked out very well.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, that’s definitely the case.
SPEAKER 12 :
So, Steve Gorman, I really appreciate it. And again, the podcast that we did with you for A Climate Conversation, people will be able to get that at climateconversation.com. And let’s stay in touch. I really would recommend that people get Green Breakdown, the coming renewable energy failure. We’re coming into the holidays. It might make for some very interesting conversations around the Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner tables.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thanks, Kim. I’m always available to join you.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. And again, that is Steve Gorman, the executive director of the Climate Science Coalition of America. And I would highly recommend that you check out his book, Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure. And as he said, really, if we go down this road, we’ll have higher energy costs, blackouts, and less freedom of mobility. And having freedom of mobility to be able to go where you want to, when you want to, helps you be able to thrive and prosper and flourish in your own individual lives. And that’s why we shed light on this on a regular basis, because freedom, everyday people, the sanctity of the individual is inherent in this whole American idea. Our quote for the end of the show, I went to Henry Hazlitt, since we’ll be talking with producer Joe and producer Luke in this next hour on economics in one lesson. And Henry Hazlitt said this, the times call for courage. The times call for hard work. But if the demands are high, it is because the stakes are even higher. They are nothing less than the future of human liberty, which means the future of civilization. So today, my friends, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
SPEAKER 1 :
We’ll be right back.
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SPEAKER 12 :
That seems to me like government is establishing a religion. If you give people rights, women’s rights, gay rights, whatever, there can’t be equal rights if there are special rights. Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
SPEAKER 15 :
Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
SPEAKER 12 :
Indeed. Let’s have a conversation. And welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured. You’re valued. You have purpose today. Strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Producer Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And our buddy producer Luke is in studio as well. It’s great to have you. It’s great to be here. Thanks for having me back. We’re going to talk about economics in one lesson, but I got to find out what you young guys think about this whole election. So we’ll do that here in just a moment. Our word of the day is chimera and it’s spelled C-H-I-M-E-R-A. I think I forgot to spell that in the first hour. I was so trying to get the pronunciation right. And I got that right. Right, Joe? Okay, and it could be number one, a monster from Greek mythology that breathes fire and has a lion’s head, a goat’s body, and a snake’s tail. Like, who thinks that stuff up?
SPEAKER 03 :
The Greeks, apparently.
SPEAKER 12 :
The Greeks, apparently. Or it could be something that exists only in the imagination and is not possible in reality. And the dictionary had this as their sentence, economic stability in that country is a chimera. And so, again, that spells C-H-I-M-E-R-A. Our quote of the day in honor of you guys being in the studio and reading Henry Hazlitt’s book is from Henry Hazlitt. He was born in 1894. He died in 1993. So pretty darn close to… I guess he was 99, huh? And he was an American journalist who wrote about business and economics for such publications as the Wall Street Journal, The Nation, the American Mercury Newsweek, and the New York Times. He said this, the real solution to the problem of poverty consists in finding how to increase the employment and earning power of the poor. So a bigger economy, more people working, less taxes, less fees. I think that’s a great way to lift people out of poverty, Producer Luke.
SPEAKER 03 :
I would agree.
SPEAKER 12 :
There we go. We’re off to the races. That’s great. Several things. First of all, I can’t believe I overlooked this, but on the text line, that’s 720-605-0647. You said, what is Steve Gorham’s website? I should have given that. So it’s Steve, S-T-E-V-E, Gorham, G-O-R-H-A-M. So Steve Gorham.com. So be sure and check that out. And several of you said we need to get him on again, which we will certainly do that as well. Show comes to you because of our sponsors. And thank you to the Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. In the first hour, we talked about some of these different potential appointees in the Trump administration. This just came across the wire that apparently U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has chosen South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem. to serve as the next Homeland Security Secretary. Two sources familiar with the decision said on Tuesday. And Noem, who was once seen as a possible running mate for, and this is from Reuters, for Republican Trump, is currently serving her second four-year term as South Dakota’s governor. After a landslide reelection victory in 2022, she rose to national prominence after refusing to impose a statewide mask mandate during the COVID-19 pandemic. Now, tomorrow, Trent Luce is going to be on the show, and he’s not a fan of Kristi Noem, so I wonder what he’s going to have to say about this. But Trump is not wasting any time on stepping forward and getting people vaccinated. for his next administration. Somebody yesterday said that he has 100 days to get all this going. That’s not much time, Producer Luke.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, 100 days? I guess I’ve never been a president, so I don’t know. It sounds like a lot of time to me, but I guess I don’t know how complicated the job is.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I think it is pretty complicated. And there’s going to be a lot of PBIs, politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties, that are going to want to stop him. In fact, I didn’t totally source this, but somebody sent this over yesterday that he is going to get rid of the Department of Education, which that could be. There’s going to be a lot of people in the Department of Education that would not want to have that happen.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I imagine not.
SPEAKER 12 :
And so next thing here, I did just see this. Let me see if this is true as well. It says, hold on one more second. This was a headline. It came through. It says that he was going to move Space Force from Colorado. Okay, here we go. This was eight hours ago from the Washington Examiner. It says that Trump is expected to move Space Command headquarters out of Colorado in his first week. And it says he’s going to move it from Colorado to Alabama. So Space Command, separate from the Trump-created Space Force, has been the center of a years-long controversy about whether to put its headquarters in Colorado or Alabama. Trump has favored the deep red Alabama, while Biden favored the deep blue Colorado. Imagine that. Representative Mike Rogers, a Republican in Alabama, told Mobile Radio FM Talk 106.5 that Trump would settle the dispute as one of his first moves in office. So Trump is quite busy, Producer Luke. Sounds like it. Yes, definitely. So let’s see. What else did I want to mention here? So many of you have reached out. We’re concerned about these elections in Colorado. One of those things is these mail-in ballots that are flying all over the state. As many of you know, with our Step 2 of Colorado Elections 2024 project, Peter Berneger with the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice. A lawsuit was filed regarding unclean voter rolls, and so stay tuned to see what is going to happen with that. As you know, we look at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. It’s never compassionate to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunities, or lives via force. Force obviously can be a weapon, but it can be policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation. That’s a big one. The World Economic Forum, the Davos Globalist Elites. Of course, we’ve got COP29 that’s meeting right now. As Steve Gorham said in the first hour that this is one of the bows. 50,000 people. going to a port on the Caspian Sea to talk about how to address climate change, where, as Steve Gorman said, this is one of the biggest CO2 emitters out there. And… But yet they’re all going to be together, again, on not their own dime, but on somebody else’s dime. So we’ve got the globalist leads, the United Nations, the Colorado State Legislature, the governor, World Health Organization, land use codes, zoning regulations, all of that. And we need to get the shackles off of all of this overreaching government so that people can thrive and prosper and go after their hopes and dreams. And let’s see… Okay. I think that’s it on all of the headlines that I wanted to go through right now. Well, first of all, I wanted to mention John Boson. I was expecting that we were going to have a weekly update. It turns out that they had a household emergency, so he’s not going to be able to call in. But so many different things as we’re moving into the snowy season, which we’ve already had a lot of snow. John always talks about being prepared, being focused on your driving. But if you are injured, either in a car accident or at the work event, slip and fall, any of these things, reach out to the John Boson Boson team at 303-999-9999. And then also the Roger Mangan team has moved their offices. And I think they’re about ready for the set up new appointments. So make a complimentary appointment to reach out to them and see if you can save some money by bundling your insurance together. That number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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SPEAKER 12 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. Check out the Center for American Values located in Pueblo, Colorado. And Pueblo is known as the home of heroes. And I think that we can take some real inspiration from their Medal of Honor portraits of valor that are there because we need to dig deep, my friends. Each and every one of us needs to step forward, look at one thing that we are concerned about and become involved in that. And again, the Center for American Values is nonpartisan. It’s nonpolitical, focusing on these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. Pleased to have in studio with me, Producer Luke, and always in studio with me, Producer Joe. Producer Luke, first thing before we get into our book review, the election from last week. What’s your reaction to this?
SPEAKER 03 :
I want to preface by saying I’m not a Democrat and I’m not a Republican, so I wouldn’t associate myself with either of those establishment parties. And I’ve been particularly interested for a while now in seeing an administration go fully in one direction. I’ve wanted a… Democrat presidency with a Democrat Senate and a Democrat House, and I’ve wanted a Republican presidency with a Republican Senate and a Republican House, because I feel like a lot of issues stem from people going, well, we wanted to do this, but, or we could have achieved X, but Y, and it’s usually the other person’s fault. So I have been very interested in seeing one color control all three so they don’t have any excuses anymore. I want to see what that party can do when they are as unimpeded as possible. So I’m very interested to see how it goes because I think this is as close as we’re going to get for a while.
SPEAKER 12 :
So regarding the agendas, if, in fact, there had not been the stops on the Democrat, that agenda of less freedom for individuals, more government control, and then over here, hopefully with Republicans – in power now if you will I hope that they actually don’t take more power but that they start to do things to make sure that we give the power back to the people so there’s I think there’s two different ways we could have gone I’m very grateful that we’re going down the what I think is the freedom freedom mode versus I really felt under Kamala O’Biden Kamala Harris administration we would see less and less freedom for everyday people so I’m pleased about that Luke
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m interested to see how it all pans out because I’ve seen a lot of people talk about how President Trump in his 2016 election, how he didn’t know as much coming into it and he ended up getting some bad people in his circle and this time he’s more knowledgeable and is going to pick all of his own staff. So I think like eliminating excuses is the best thing. I want to see what happens and the kind of policies, and I want to feel the immediate impact of this election cycle without people going, oh, but the Democrats did this, or oh, but the liberals did this. I want to just see how it all pans out with no excuses.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, okay. Producer Joe, what’s your reaction to the election of last week?
SPEAKER 04 :
Honestly, I’m a little excited. Much like Luke was saying, with everybody having all ends, I think there’s going to be an ending to the bickering and the runaround games to try and get each end to get what they want. And so I’m seeing it as kind of hopeful as we might actually get some stuff done this term.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. And when we say stuff done, I really hope that what that is is reducing government and getting the power back to the people. One other thing, I just do want to source this. Let me see if Trump really did say this regarding getting rid of the Department of Education and taking that money and pushing it back out to the states. If, in fact, that was the case… Well, it says this is Forbes on 11-11. It says, explaining Trump’s, it says, will Trump eliminate the Department of Education? Of course, now we’re going through all these different pop-ups here. Hold on here. What we know, as Elon Musk applauds, a good idea. And it says that President-elect Trump has repeatedly vowed to shutter the Federal Department of Education and relegate all educational responsibility to the individual states, a move that could impact crucial funding for K-12 schools and hampers civil rights enforcement. But experts warn it’s unlikely the federal government will be able to be hands-off when it comes to education regulation, even if the department is closed. It says Trump has called the Department of Education, which was created in 1979 by Jimmy Carter, an example of government oversight into the daily lives of Americans and suggested it’s been a poor investment for taxpayers. Luke, I think it has been a poor investment. investment for taxpayers because our children, fewer and fewer of them are being able to read and write, write cursive, think critically. And so I think that it would be very positive to get to push that back to the states.
SPEAKER 03 :
I have a mixed opinion on this because I am personally fairly critical of the education system. I think it does a very poor job at what it’s supposed to do. In the same vein, I also think it’s important as a nation to have… a required minimum standard of education that is enforced across the state because if you relegate funds for education to some states, you know, on an individual state level, I think that’s… It becomes difficult for lower income states or particularly poor areas to support the same level of education that states that can produce more money might be able to get. I think standardized education is a good idea. I don’t think the way it’s done currently is done well at all.
SPEAKER 12 :
So my father, as a child, attended a two-room schoolhouse or a one-room schoolhouse, I’m not sure. But he had an amazing education and could read and write and could create and was just very, very knowledgeable. And when I look at the education coming out of those little schoolhouses across the Midwest and the West. And then what I see now with really, I think, a lot of dumbing down of our children. As I was doing my voter’s guide, I was looking at these different school districts in the metro area that were asking for more money for schools. And Luke, some of these, the best, one of the best, which was Douglas County, 60%-ish of their students, their third graders were proficient in language arts. That means 40% of the kids aren’t. That’s not okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, not at all. It’s very poorly managed. It is very poorly run. I mean, I don’t know where the money is going because you see a lot of these, you know, legislations and, you know, taxes passing. More money for the kids, more money for the kids, more money for the kids. But we seem to be getting worse and worse every year. So, like I said, I don’t think we should totally disband it, but I don’t like the state it is currently in. Okay. That’s for sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
How about you, Producer Joe?
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree with Luke. I don’t like the state that it’s currently in, and 40% is pretty appalling. But I’m also wondering if he does that, if the spending for the schools towards entertainment areas such as the orchestra or band or the big stadiums for football, I wonder if that gets reduced in the process as well.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I would think not. This is such a new potential proposal. But just think, if you don’t have all these bureaucrats back in Washington, the Department of Education, push that money to the states. Of course, here in Colorado, I’m concerned about it because… the agenda of this governor and of this legislature is to push DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion, and SEL, social emotional learning, and then CRT, critical race theory. I’m concerned about that. I think that Kane is gonna have something to say about that though, and he’s gonna be on I think next week, I think next week as well. So let’s go ahead and move over to beginning on our economics in one lesson. And Producer Joe, as you know, on the Voter’s Guide, and also with the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, we took a position of no on Denver Mayor Mike Johnston’s darling that he wanted was over $100 million in a sales tax increase for affordable housing. And I ended up on Channel 7 a couple of different times to talk about why we were a no. And quite frankly, if you increase taxes, Joe, take more money out of people’s pockets via sales tax, which sales tax is a regressive tax. Granted, Denver doesn’t tax some of the food items and things like that. But if you increase taxes and take more money out of people’s pockets, Seems to me like it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that life is less affordable for everybody, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, that wouldn’t make sense.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, but somehow Mike Johnston was couching this as trying to create affordable housing, which is government-subsidized housing, which, Luke, I felt that this really went right into this chapter on what rent control does. So what’s your thoughts on our Chapter 18 in Economics in One Lesson regarding rent control?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I think I find myself agreeing with Henry Hazlitt for the most part. I understand what rent control, what it’s supposed to achieve, what it’s trying to do. And that’s ensure people can, you know, afford to keep a roof over their head, which stems from a good place. Right. I think it’s where we want people to have access. you know, a warm bed to sleep in and a roof over their head. But I think rent control comes as a band-aid solution tacked on to try and artificially deal with something that’s It’s something that needs dealing with on a more foundational level. If people can’t afford housing, if people can’t afford rent, that’s a hard thing to deal with. It takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of effort. It takes a lot of money to try and assess the reasons why people might not be housed. And rent control is the quick put it on the ballot to get some vote option. So it’s like I understand where it comes from and I understand the intent, but I don’t think government’s hand in rent is a good idea, especially because. It’s so dependent on supply and demand and who has the money to afford houses and then, you know, who can fix up those houses and then who can afford to rent those houses out or apartment complexes, so on and so forth. My only issue with the idea of rent control being bad is I feel like we get into situations where… rent can become malicious. And I think the malice in rent is what I take issue with, wherein you’ll see certain examples of people buying up a bunch of houses and turning them into Airbnbs, which will sort of begin to inflate the prices of surrounding properties, which will push people out of their homes and sort of redistribute communities and people and individuals because one person decided to put more money and charge more for their one thing. And I think that unfairly affects the surrounding individuals. So I’m not to say that I have a solution, but I personally take issue with that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Producer Joe, what’s your thoughts about rent control?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, as Luke was saying as well, I’m a little bit bothered by rent control, but I also understand that it is coming from a good place. One thing that really stuck out to me is about the luxury homes, though, because they’re not affected through this rent control because generally the rich can pay for them, and so they can continue upkeeping them and expanding to more places of luxury homes.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which the market will respond to that because that’s where they can get a return on their capital, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. But also, if you look at the middle class and the middle to low class where you… can’t really you’re just penny pinching nickel and diamond every month to make sure you can make barely anything and you can’t fix it now you’re going to stay stagnant in that area and so they’re just growth in the luxury areas by that point and i thought that was particularly odd
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, and what you’re alluding to is where Hazlitt said that they had rent control on the lower-priced properties, but then sometimes they’ll say, well, the wealthy can pay for higher rents, and so there will not be rent control there. Well, then what happens is that investors can get a return on their money there, and so you would see more of those luxury apartments built, if I remember that correctly. Do I have that right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, ma’am. And then, on top of that, though, the poor are still staying poor. They generally can’t move up to those luxury homes and pay for all these niceties that the rich get to enjoy, and so one area just stays. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it check out the usmcmemorialfoundation.org website And as we’re getting into holiday season, a great gift would be to buy a brick that will be on one of their pathways of service. You’ll get a beautiful certificate. And check all that out by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. First thing, as I was in this debate, actual debate with Mayor Mike Johnston, and then on these other things on Channel 7, in my research, what I… had come across was the National Home Builders Association had said that almost 24 percent of the cost of a new home single-family home is due to rules and regulations and fees all of that and the multi-family The Housing Council has said over 40% of the cost of multifamily, so townhomes, condos, apartment buildings, 40% of that goes to rules and regulations and fees. That seems pretty greedy, kind of gouging to me. Just think, Luke, if we could reduce those costs 10%. Just think what that would do for the economy, for everyday people trying to move up the economic ladder.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it’s an interesting one, especially because I want to know the breakdown of that cost, right? 40% in regulations. What regulations? Because I’ll pay 40% to ensure that my house doesn’t burst into flames because, you know, the electrician, you know, did something way outside of what’s safe.
SPEAKER 12 :
Or do you think possibly… that you would want to make sure that you hired an electrician or a builder that you trusted because just because you’ve got regulators doing something, that doesn’t mean that you won’t have problems with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. I want to know the breakdown of that cost. Because, I mean, 40% is a substantial number, but also homes in general have increased far more than 40%. Me and my girlfriend were looking at houses, and we cry just a little bit every time you look at the price history, and you see a home in 2016 sold for $200,000 is now on the market for $600,000, which is more than 40%. So I want to know where the rest of that… increased cost is coming from too.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, let me give you an example. And when I was on city council, a couple of different things. First of all, what I learned is that all of the building departments of all these different municipalities and counties, they have a big meeting every few years. And many times they will adopt new rules and regulations. And what had happened was the… sprinkler companies that would you know put sprinklers in your commercial buildings and also your apartments they were lobbying to make it mandatory that every new home would have a sprinkler system as well and just think about it if you could get government to mandate that they would have to use their product just think about what that would do to your bottom line but also what does that do to the cost and also if if perchance the sprinkler system gets triggered for some reason then you also as a homeowner have all of this water damage And so I pushed back on that. And I thought it should be people’s choice on whether or not they might want to put a sprinkler system in. But that’s what I saw, Luke, was that you would see these interested parties that would come in, get these things mandated for new construction. Another example is in Denver. My understanding is that new construction or if you remodel, you have to put in a charging station for electric vehicle. Shouldn’t that be your choice? Wouldn’t you prefer to pay $6,000 less or whatever for a house instead of having that mandate, Luke?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. And Joe, how about you there?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Yeah, I’d like to see a breakdown. I want to see how much of it’s, you know, gratuitous lobbying and, you know, unnecessary regulation for the sake of, you know, costs or special interests and then how much of that money is for what I would consider necessary safety. Because, I mean, I’ve seen some new builds which play to regulations, but they’re done so shoddily and, you know, half-baked that, you know, they might as well not be done at all. So…
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, how could that happen, though, during in a time of all these rules and regulations? Right. OK, Joe, you got your hand up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and I think it’s just a slippery slope. We give an inch and they’ll take a mile. So if we let one, that maybe makes really good sense. But then there’s going to be probably four other groups behind that going, well, you let him do it, so why not us? And so now we’re going to have 10 different PBIs all lobbying for different things that are required. And it’s going to exponentially grow into a giant snowball.
SPEAKER 12 :
And it does. It increased the cost. Okay, hold on here. This is from Susan Kochevar. She’s an entrepreneur. And she said, ask the fellas to think about rent from a business point of view. In other words, if you could buy a house, so you’ve put together capital, you have your own home, you have been saving because we’ve reduced rents. taxes and fees so you have more money in your pocket the economy’s growing so and and you guys do a great job so there’s demand for you your your pay is going up so you now have some extra money and you buy a house that you want to have for retirement so it increases in value but also to create some income and so you’ve you take you’ve taken a look at that you’ve planned it out and then government comes in and says you can’t increase the rent any more than x now if you wanted to choose to not increase rent that’s one thing but if government comes in and says that you can’t you’ve extrapolated this out what your return on investment would be how would you feel about that luke
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think it’s a great way to offer perspective, and I would agree with the statement. I don’t want government involved in determining the price of my good and or service. It’s not their place.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. Okay, good point. And Joe?
SPEAKER 04 :
We were established off of free market, so if we trust the free market system to do its thing instead of regulating and making sure everybody does what is morally and ethically correct— We might have a better chance, and then we don’t have the regulation of you are supposed to stop at this amount. Because what if I put a bunch of money into that home as well, and now my home is worth $5,000 a month instead of $3,000? But now I have to stop at $3,000.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly. Okay, good. Yeah. Okay, let’s see here. This is from Richard. He said, rent control is a lot like taxpayers having to pony up for electric cars. It’s not what the free market is all about. And so, okay, so we’ll leave that there. Let’s move over to minimum wage. That was the other chapter. And I do want to get through this because what’s the next book that you wanted to go through, Luke? It seemed like you had mentioned The Law of Ibasiyat, but you had one I thought… Maybe it was you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, we were talking about The Prince by Machiavelli.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, I think we’ll have to do that next. We have just a few more chapters, but minimum wage laws. Seem like a good idea, but they’re not. And the reason is, is because Susan Kochovar, I think, had also said this is like your teenage unemployable or unemployment act is what happens is because I remember, Joe, my first job, Daylight Donut and Chicken Inn. I should have paid them because I had so much to learn. And so that first job is so important. And if because of minimum wage laws, employers can’t bring in that, you know, that initial employee where you can start to get those skills. I think that is really is a disservice. So what’s your thoughts about that, Joe?
SPEAKER 04 :
I believe it devalues the dollar as well. The kids don’t work as hard for the money because they just, oh, it’s minimum wage, it’s expected to be this much. So that’s what I earn just for showing up and being there. And it decentifies his hard work and going above and beyond.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, good point. How about you, Luke?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, this is going to be controversial. Okay. This is going to be controversial because I think minimum wage laws are probably – I want to clarify. I want to specify. Me personally, I am not a socialist. However, minimum wage laws are probably the closest thing to a socialist idea I have. I want to separate this into two different things where I think there is a distinct difference between what a minor wants to go do part-time after school to make a couple bucks and then a person working a full 40-hour work week. So I have a – there’s – in my mind, at the very least, for the listeners’ information, there’s a division there between I personally believe that any person who works a full 40-hour work week, is employed full-time, should have as an assurance that they can get three meals a day and a roof over their head. A person who relies on labor, again, 40-hour work weeks, that is a person who should live in dignity, with respect, with clothes on their back, meals in their belly, and a roof over their head. And I think if minimum wage laws are necessary to ensure that a person who works a 40-hour work week is provided those things from their income, then so be it.
SPEAKER 12 :
But what if an employer can’t pay that to their employees? So instead, what might happen is they might keep this one employee over here, might pay them overtime, and not employ this is the unseen thing that happens that they would not employ this other person who then doesn’t have the dignity of work and if he doesn’t have a job then is looking to others to support them and how about instead of government saying you have this value that you go in you work hard you create more value and move up the the economic ladder i think it i think it incentivizes mediocrity. Joe?
SPEAKER 04 :
I was actually about to say, I think it incentivizes the mediocrity because if you make them pay a certain number, it’s like me telling you, you have to do this right now. And then I’m like, well, I don’t want to, but if I have to now, I don’t want to spread the wealth evenly anymore because I’m getting forced to do things that jeopardize my company.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and I think the thing, Luke, is I think that there are – I think it’s been taught that the employer is the bad, greedy guy. But take a look at – the thing with government is force. And they want to increase taxes on a consistent basis. That’s pretty greedy. But they can also do tax gouging. If you don’t pay your taxes – Yeah, you have a real problem on that. And so an employee, an employer only has a certain amount of the pie. Now, if his employees come together, you work together, you create more value and the pie grows. Most employers are going to, I think, reward their employees. If they don’t, you’re going to have a competitor over there that’s going to be tapping them on the shoulder and say, hey, you do a great job, and I would love to hire you away. So I think that what we need to make sure that we do is not have these forced minimum wage laws because I think ultimately there will be people that will make money, but there will be people that are unemployed. Final thought, I think we’ve got a listener as well, so I’ll go to you first, Luke.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I want to clarify, too. I think work is a good thing, right? Being able to provide a good or a service in your labor to do good work is a good thing. So I want to just, because I know my stance might get confused or sort of mixed up. Because I think if you perform mediocre work, then you shouldn’t be employed to that level. If you are mediocre or not good enough, then that’s on you. But I think the people who do work, who… put in the effort and commit to their 40 hours and try and provide something that those people should live in dignity. And I think we’ve seen time and time again, like most things, there’s a mix. Some employers will treat their employees very well. And then there are some employers who will pay the barest minimum, nearly slave labor, because they know they can get away with it. And I think they know they can get away with it because… An employer is the one in charge of, the employer is the one who provides you with work, right? You are offering them something in the form of your service and your labor, they are providing you with work. There will never be 100% employment. There will always be some jobs and there will always be people without jobs. So I think there is an inherent force in determining who works. Not everyone will work. There’s not enough jobs for everyone to work. There will never be 100% employment. So I think people know that and I think some people can exploit that and I think
SPEAKER 12 :
know if you’re stuck at the bottom rung of the ladder and you know if you work hard you won’t be stuck there long though i don’t think i think i think some people will i think some people who work hard are stuck because there’s not a lot of other options okay uh i know we’re getting short on time joe and then we’ll go to break and then we’ll continue this i you guys i love this thank you i really do so joe
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree that the people who do work the 40-hour work weeks, they should be able to be guaranteed a home and be able to put food in their family’s bellies. We shouldn’t do that through rules and regulations, but we should have some way to guarantee that those people, the painters, the people in office, make sure they can take care of people.
SPEAKER 12 :
But it’s lower taxes, lower rules and regulations. So Susan just sent this. As we’ve talked about this, her property taxes on the theater went up $40,000 this last year. She said, I could have paid my employees a lot more this year and not run the theater, but I had to pay all those in property taxes. So just think about that. And certainly we want her to have some profit to live her life, to be able to continue to improve the theater. And she could pay more, but instead she was forced to pay $40,000 more in taxes. And so that is the crux, I think, of the issue right there. Let’s go to break. And we have these discussions because of our sponsors. And guys, I really appreciate this. And I think it’s important that we do this. that we talk intergenerationally so that we can hear what’s going on because we’re in this thing together. And I think it’s important that we do that. And a sponsor that believes that as well is Karen Levine for Everything Residential Real Estate.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. We have Ron on the line. Ron, what is on your radar?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, Kim. Excuse me. I have an issue about the rent. I know people have the right to do it and charge what they’re going to charge, but there’s also a scam going on, I believe, just in my personal. I was living in an apartment complex, paying $1,100 or $1,200, was there, and every time they would raise it, They would raise it $100, $200, and eventually it got up to $2,300. Wow. And I told them, I said, you’re a 40-year-old building, and, you know, granted, when I moved in, you had new appliances, but you’re a 40-year-old building, and you have a small… clubhouse and and a few little weights and stuff like that and you’re trying to charge me 2300 and they said well that’s the price of the the area and uh you know they’re they’re they’re competing with people who were uh you know other uh apartment complexes that have these huge bowls huge uh um workout areas and everything, and they’re trying to compete with them and giving you the same price that they’re charging. And it’s a scam. And they’re also, the elderly people that were there paying low prices, they raised theirs up $200, $300, $400, and they couldn’t afford it, so they had to move. And it was kind of a bad situation.
SPEAKER 12 :
Boy, Ron, that’s a whole lot, gosh, good point and thank you. One of the things that is unseen with all of these apartment buildings that are being put into the metro area, first of all, there has been demand that has been created because of all the illegals that have come into our metro area and then under economic development, bringing additional people in as well. But what you’re seeing, the unseen thing is, Ron, is that many of these other apartment buildings are being subsidized. And so those rents go up because they’re being subsidized by other taxpayers, and then you are seeing the effects of that because of that. Ron, gosh.
SPEAKER 06 :
They’re actually kicking some people out and doing Section 8. So they get the government to pay the rest, and these people are getting low income, and they know that they’re getting payments because the government’s paying the rest.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, excellent point. Ron, I’d like to continue this discussion. Guys, we only have a minute left. Johnny in Denver, thank you, Ron. Johnny in Denver, what’s on your radar?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I’m going to keep a close eye on this Janet Griswold thing because my opponent got 6,000 more votes, and I’m still at the 4,000. So I’m thinking, like, did 6,000 more people just automatically say, hey, it’s a fair answer, that’s the guy, and then only 4,000, the same people that voted for me two years ago, decided, oh, we’ll vote for him again, but no movement there. So I’m still kind of curious to see what this machine did with those votes.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. I know there’s a lot of people, Johnny, that’s looking at that. And so we’re going to stay on top of that. And Johnny, what was that house district?
SPEAKER 09 :
It was House District 5.
SPEAKER 1 :
5.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Thank you, Johnny. Guys, we are out of time. First of all, Yvonne, thank you. She did say that she worked two, three, and four jobs to get to a point where she is such a success. So that’s what we need to also remember as well. And I can’t remember the last time I had a 40-hour work week. Okay. Luke, first of all, thank you. Thank you for having me. I love this. This is so important. Talking about the hot topics. Hot topics. You got it. And Joe, as always, thank you. I so appreciate you guys.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s my pleasure, Kim.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Can I call you guys young guns or is that possible? Can you do that here in Colorado? It’s a really good movie as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 12 :
What’s that?
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s a really good movie as well.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Okay, we’re out of time. My friends, Henry Hazlitt said this. The times call for courage. The times call for hard work. But if the demands are high, it is because the stakes are even higher. They are nothing less than the future of human liberty, which means the future of civilization. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
SPEAKER 05 :
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