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indeed let’s have a conversation and welcome to the kim munson show thank you so much for joining us you each are treasured you’re valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history thank you to the team that’s producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike theresa all the people here at crawford broadcasting happy friday producer joe happy friday kim We’ve got a great show planned for you again today, so fasten your seatbelts. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. And when you sign up for that weekly email newsletter, that comes out on Sundays, you will get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. Thank you for all of you who support us. I’m an independent voice. What that means is I buy my airtime. which gives me basically full control of subject selection, guest selection. We’re blessed with amazing guests. I am so grateful for that. And do check out our broadcast schedule. It’s 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And this is on all KLZ 560 platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And then typically within 24 hours, the shows can also be streamed on iTunes, Spotify, and all of those different streaming services. The text line, and I do want to hear from you, is 720-605-0647. And we look at these issues and search for truth and clarity by looking at the issues through these lens, the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You shouldn’t have to force people to do it. and is not compassionate to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunities, or lives via force. And force could be a weapon, but policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation the world economic forum’s agenda the globalist elites agenda united nations uh colorado state legislature right off the bat gammy has texted me that there’s a a second amendment uh bill that is uh being proposed which is trying to take away your right to protect yourself and your family against bad guys and girls So the Colorado governor, the World Health Organization, land use codes, zoning regulations, forest fees, conservation easements, national monument designations. This list has been going on and on and on and growing under the Biden-Harris administration and those before them. And we’ve got to walk this back. And that’s why we engage in this battle of ideas. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Joe, before we get into this, there was at the top of the hour a public service announcement by the after school program. And just the way it was couched, trying to, it had basically the heartbeat of a baby. And then just kind of trying to shame people into not supporting after school programs. And so I wanted to check this out. And it’s called, hold on here. It was the After School Alliance. So I looked at this and And it is focused on social and emotional wellness of children. Those are the big code words for diversity, equity, and inclusion, separating our kids by race. And the social emotional programs have not been good. So anyway, they are focusing on that. It’s being sponsored by this Imogen Foundation, I-M-O-G-E-N Foundation. And I went to that, can’t quite get a whole, and again, I’m doing this very quickly this morning, but when you go to ImogenFoundation.org, the first thing that you see is a whole bunch of pictures of kids with masks on their faces. So I’ve got to talk to the station about this because I don’t know quite how we get these public service announcements. But, my friends, we need to be really careful because it was this after-school program that happened. Erin and John Lee’s daughter was invited to, which ended up being not art club. She was invited to art club. She’s like 11 or 12 years old, new in school, coming out of COVID, shy. Says, hey, mom, dad, can I go to art club? And of course, you want your kids and she likes art. Sounds like a great idea, right? Oh, it was a transgender indoctrination. uh session and so these after-school programs you need to be really careful of joe i i know i’m just throwing this at you but this was the first time i heard this at the top of the hour and so i got to get on this it’s the first time i heard it too and honestly all of these things with the groupings and whatnot it just sounds like fear-mongering Yeah, I know. So we’re going to get on that. So and if any of you have concerns about these public service announcements as well, just let me know. But we’re going to be having a I’m going to have a conversation about this. And this is so important that we catch these things because these things fly in under the radar. They get free airtime, I think. And so we will check on that. But I don’t get free airtime, and that means I’m an entrepreneur, and that’s why I am so grateful for our sponsors. So thank you to LearnMe Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power from oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. And our word of the day. is repugnant. And you spell that R-E-P-G, repugnant, R-E-P-U-G-N-A-N-T. And at first could be arousing, disgust or aversion, offensive or repulsive. Number two, it could be contradictory or inconsistent. Number three, disposed to fight against, hostile, at war with, being at variance, contrary, inconsistent, refractory, disobedient. I find actually as I’m thinking more and more about this that I find this particular public service announcement repugnant because it’s trying to hide and trying to shame people. And I don’t like that one little bit. So your challenge is to use the word repugnant in a sentence today. And hopefully you are impressing your friends and family about your vocabulary growing. Our quote of the day is it is Friday and taking the quote for the from the Medal of Honor. a quote book, which is published by the Center for American Values. And it’s quotes from many of their Medal of Honor recipients that are in their portraits of valor there at the center. And I always want to, I think we can take such great heart from the actions of these men. These are men that when danger presented itself, They took action to protect those around them. And we need to do the same here. For example, I need to take action on this after school thing because I’m very concerned about what that might be. But anyway, check out the AmericanValueCenter.org. That is their website. They are going to have a very important event on Thursday, January 23rd. And it will be down at the center. And it’s regarding the USS Pueblo that during the Vietnam War, it was captured by the North Koreans, was held captive for a year. And Robert Chica, who was a prisoner for that year, is going to be speaking at the center. So this is a really special event, and you can get more information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. Drew and the team there, Drew Dix, who’s one of the co-founders, just request that you let them know you’re coming. And there is a competing event. I can’t go, unfortunately, to the center that night because as president of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, we are holding our legislative kickoff meeting, and that is also on the 23rd. And tickets will be going on sale for that this week, and they’re only $10. And be sure and join us. For only $25 or $2.08 a month, you will have a great tool in your toolbox, and that is all of the volunteer hours that our team, our board of directors, puts into analyzing legislation. And when you see these folks, my fellow board members, and that would be Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, and Mary Jansen. And on Monday is our board meeting, and Dave Evans and Corey Ornsorg should be joining us as well. Say thank you to these folks. And you can join us by going to coloradotaxpayer.org. But this is our our quote of the day, and I want to set this up. It’s by Leo K. Thorsness, United States Air Force Medal of Honor. He was born in 1932. He died in 2017. He was a colonel in the United States Air Force, received the Medal of Honor for his actions in the Vietnam War, and he was awarded for an air engagement of April 19, 1967. He was shot down two weeks later and spent almost six years in captivity in North Vietnam as a prisoner of war. After his military service, he served in the Washington State Senate, among other things. And this is the citation. It is for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. As a pilot of an F-105 aircraft, Lieutenant Colonel Thorsness was on a surface-to-air missile suppression mission over North Vietnam. Lieutenant Colonel Thorsness and his wingman attacked and silenced a surface-to-air missile site with air-to-ground missiles and then destroyed a second surface-to-air missile site with bombs. In the attack on the second missile site, Lieutenant Colonel Thorsness’ wingman was shot down by intensive anti-aircraft fire and the two crew members abandoned their aircraft. Lieutenant Colonel Thorsness circled the descending parachutes to keep the crew members in sight and relay their position to the search and rescue center. during this maneuver a make seventeen was sighted in the area lieutenant colonel thorsons immediately initiated an attack and destroyed the mig because his aircraft was low on fuel he was forced to depart the area in search of a tanker Upon being advised that two helicopters were orbiting over the downed crew’s position and there were hostile MiGs in the area posing a serious threat to the helicopters, Lieutenant Colonel Thorsness, despite his low fuel condition, decided to return alone through a hostile environment of surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft defenses to the downed crew’s position. As he approached the area, he spotted four MiG-17 aircraft and immediately initiated an attack on the MiGs, damaging one and driving the others away from the rescue scene. When it became apparent that an aircraft in the area was critically low on fuel and the crew would have to abandon the aircraft unless they could reach a tanker, Lieutenant Colonel Thorsness, although critically short on fuel himself… help to avert further possible loss of life in a friendly aircraft by recovering at a forward operating base, thus allowing the aircraft in emergency fuel condition to refuel safely. Lieutenant Colonel Thorsness, extraordinary heroism, self-sacrifice, and personal bravery involving conspicuous risk of life were in the highest traditions of the military service and have reflected great credit upon himself and the United States Air Force. My dad served in the Air Force, and he was very proud of his service. And this is the quote of the day from Leo K. Thorsness. 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It is Friday. Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Hooters Restaurants is a great sponsor of the show. In fact, I met Jim May yesterday. We wanted to talk about a few things. And so we met over at Hooters Restaurants. And their queso is so good. Jim had the fish tacos. Delicious. And delicious. They have great specials Monday through Friday for lunch and for happy hour. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. This is a big football weekend. Great place to watch those games is Hooters Restaurants. And how I got to know them is a really important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and PBIs trying to exert power that they don’t really have that they think they have. And so be sure and check that out. All that whole story is at my website. Joe, you did a little homework after… I talked about this PSA that was at the top of the hour regarding this after-school programs. And it really tweaked my radar that I needed to check that out very quickly. Checked it out. It is being sponsored by this Imogen Foundation, I-M-O-G-E-N Foundation. And the first thing that you see when you go to that website is a bunch of kids with masks on their face. So all this is danger, danger, danger to me. And so I want to find out about PSA. So you did a little homework.
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Yes, ma’am, I did. It was randomly generated in there, but I thought the same thing. I was very concerned that the way they were putting it out is, do you want to be negligent? That’s not a good way to say something like that.
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I totally agree. So we’re going to stay on this. But again, I think it’s an example, Joe, of how things in our lives can just sneak in here. And that’s why we have to have our radar up. We have to be questioning things all the time and doing research. And so within a few minutes, you and I had quite a bit of information on this. And with as much as we have learned on the show, talking with Lori Gimmelstein, and regarding Colorado Parents Advocacy Network and Aaron Lee and Kevin Lundberg regarding all these programs. We’ve learned enough that we immediately could see danger, danger, Joe.
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You’re absolutely right. And they just want to scare us into it using your kids might get hurt. Of course, we don’t want our kids to get hurt. That’s what we’re supposed to do.
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Yes, but the real after-school program, first of all, parents, is we want to make sure that you know what is going on. So we’ll stay on that. Let me get into several other things here. Time just goes by so quickly on the show. We have our quote of the day. This day in history, a few things I wanted to mention. 1776, Common Sense, the pamphlet by Thomas Paine, which really… uh made a difference for our war for independence it was published and again advocating for american independence in 1870 standard oil companies created by john d rockefeller he owned 30 and his brother and other business partners and at that time they controlled about 10 of the world oil in 1901 oil was discovered in spindle top beaumont texas making the start of the texas oil boom In 1949, RCA introduces the 45 RPM record. Of course, now you can listen to music on your phone, Spotify, Pandora, all these different services. Back in 1982, we were concerned that the world was going to get too cold. And 1982, negative 17 degrees Fahrenheit was in Bremer. Grampian was a United Kingdom record. And then the Earth got a little bit warmer, which was better for the Earth. And then they said the Earth was going to get too hot. So they call that global warming. Well, then we had all these different temperatures up and down. Because the climate does always change. But, of course, they’re trying to push this man-made climate change narrative. And so they changed the term to climate change. That’s why you really should check out the documentary, A Climate Conversation, which is the project of Walt Johnson. You can watch that for free at aclimateconversation.com. And we’ve got a great set of podcasts as well there. So check that out. And while I’m mentioning going back to this after school thing, check out artclubthemovie.com as well. And that will really inform you why we need to be so cautious about these after school programs. This, I thought, was super interesting. Again, we learned on many of these podcasts that we have recorded for a climate conversation by many of these experts and scientists that many publications, many universities, they receive grant money. Many times this might be government grant money. So our tax dollars are being used through grants to push a narrative. And I would submit to you that’s probably what happened here. 2019, the oceans are warming faster than previously thought due to fossil fuel burning, according to data published in the journal Science. And again, just realizing that they’re trying to give this um uh significance by saying it was in this journal science you wonder who’s behind all of that as well so that is our this day in history uh as far as headlines first of all yesterday was jimmy carter’s funeral and all the dignitaries were there and certainly appreciate his service to the country and i think we’ll over the next week or so we will talk about those policies that he pushed forward. And many of those policies were pushed forward again by the Biden-Harris administration. But at this point, I just want to show respect for him and his service to the country. Next thing, this is pretty huge, and that is that the Supreme Court ruled regarding this criminal charges, the sentencing for Donald Trump on these charges. And so this is from CBS News. And I wanted to try to remember what these charges were exactly. And so it’s former President Donald Trump’s conviction in New York stem from this $130,000 hush money payment his attorney Michael Cohen made to Stormy Daniels in the days before the 2016 election. Prosecutors said the deal was meant to keep voters in the dark about Daniels allegations. uh and uh that she had sex with him he denies that but the actual charges this goes on this is cbs news uh are actually uh far less salacious and dealt with comparatively mundane paperwork that was generated when he reimbursed cohen for the payment And I went through and did the research on this. And these 34 counts of which there are those that a parrot that, oh, he’s been convicted on these 34 counts makes it look trying to make him look like he’s a criminal. They were basically bookkeeping entries. And for one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, quite frankly. $130,000 is chump change in this whole thing as well. And this is really lawfare, I think, as we talked yesterday with John Eastman. So it’s going to be interesting to see. What happens just a few days before the inauguration of Donald Trump to see what the sentencing looks like. And so stay tuned on that. Next thing, big, big news. This is from CNN says, well, again, let’s take a look at the headline and break that break that down a little bit. Says this is what the CNN headline says. Judge scraps Biden’s Title nine rules reversing expansion of of protections for LGBTQ plus students. Well, let’s change that title or that headline to what really it is. It’s Judge scraps Biden’s Title nine rules, which reverses expansion of boys and girls bathrooms and and protects girls and girls sports. So let’s see what it really is. So this is a big deal as well. So that’s a really important headline. Next, California and these fires. This particular headline is from only well, many different news organizations have been. reporting this, that the Palisade Palisades wildfire, the L.A. Mayor, Karen Bass, had cut fire department funding by $17.6 million to benefit people that have come here illegally. I’m hearing reports that there were fire hydrants that didn’t even have water. And in fact, Mary had sent over, and then I saw another headline on this, that firefighters were using women’s handbags to get water and run over and try to put some of these fires out. It’s crazy. This is from the Tampa Free Press. It says that California was caught off guard by massive fires after the L.A. Fire Department spent years pushing racial equity. And this has moved us to mediocrity and bad choices because instead of people striving for excellence and competing on striving for excellence, being the best that they can be, just putting people in because of DEI hires, we now see people are losing their homes. And this is going to be very difficult now for people to rebuild. This is going to be a really defining moment. And they talked about this on many of the shows last night. This is going to be a defining moment, just like here in Colorado with the Marshall fires, that when people go to rebuild, that they see the cost to rebuild because of rules and regulations is astronomical. And with Karen Levine, RE-MAX realtor, she and I are both always talking about affordability. And all these rules and regulations make everything more expensive to build. And so one way to reduce the cost of that is to reduce the rules and regulations. Well, these people are going to want to rebuild. here in California are going to see what this radical extreme agenda has done to make our lives less affordable. But this is terrible public policy, and this can be laid at the feet of the radical extremist activist agenda that has been pushed by the Democrat Party. for many years now, and it is so sad. So this is going to be a real day of reckoning, and we need to continue to speak truth into this on a regular basis. 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It is Friday, and welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And as you know, one of the nonprofits that I highlight on the show on a regular basis is the USMC Memorial Foundation. And Paula Sarles is the president of the foundation. She is a Marine veteran, a Gold Star wife. And the president of the foundation is so focused on raising the money for this remodel. The official Marine Memorial, dedicated in 1977, is right here in Colorado. And one of the things that you should add into your repertoire to support is the USMC Memorial Foundation. Get more information by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. I’m pleased to have on the line with me Amber Todorov, and she is the Deputy Policy Policy Director for Open the Books. And Adam Angieski is the founder of Open the Books, and he passed on suddenly. And all of us, it just broke our hearts. So, Amber, first of all, on the website, you said you’re continuing the work that Adam started.
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Yes, that’s right. Adam was not just the leader of Open the Books and a visionary for the transparency revolution, but he was also a friend to all of his colleagues, just a wonderful boss and just a really good person. And we miss him very much, but the work continues and we have a a new CEO that was named back in November named John Hart, and he’s doing a great job so far. And we’re just really focused on government efficiency, reducing waste and ending corruption, which we’re excited to say that seems to be a very popular sentiment with the incoming administration. So looking forward to doing more work and having more impact this year.
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Yeah, you were doing Doge before Doge became really, really cool, huh? Yes, indeed. So on the website, openthebooks.com, it is so fascinating because it is, in a way, it’s kind of scary, but computers can figure out where you are. And so with Open the Books, They figure out what my location is, or maybe I put it in. But now what comes up is all of these different public entities that are on Open the Books. For example, City of Glendale, City of Golden, City of Greenwood Village, City of Lakewood, City of Littleton. You can go in there, City of Lone Tree, which was where I was a city council member 2012 to 2016. And it sheds light on what these salaries are. It is absolutely fascinating, Amber.
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Yeah, so it’s really exciting. You can choose to share your location with Open the Books, and it’ll show you your local government salaries and sometimes checkbooks if they’re available. It really came in handy with us the past couple of days as we were looking into the Los Angeles area. and found Karen Bass, the mayor, made about $300,000. And more controversially, their fire chief is making over $400,000 while instituting these problematic policies and DEI that kind of reduced the fire department’s ability to actually be helpful.
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Anything else that you found out about L.A.?
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Yeah. Well, you can look it up on our recent substack, but those are our major findings, and we basically just looked into the salaries of the top officials. For instance, the person in charge of the water is making about $750,000. She comes from the private sector, PG&E, their controversial utilities company, and So it’s been quite interesting as we learn more and more about the L.A. fires to see who is in charge, who is making the decisions, how much are they being paid, and what decisions did they actually make that could have adversely impacted the response to this disaster.
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Wow. And again, so that’s OpenTheBooksSubstack.com. And again, all kinds of information there. And the first thing on all this is transparency. And so what you are doing is so important. And what we were going to talk about was all of this DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion at public universities. And there is huge money that you have uncovered regarding this, Amber Todorov.
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Yes, it’s been really interesting. We’ve been investigating DEI spending and federal funding of universities since 2023. And as the universities have been radicalized and it became more and more clear as these campus takeovers happened in the wake of the attack on Israel, And also in general, just how left-wing these universities have become. So our first investigation showed that the Ivy League schools, plus Stanford and Northwestern, got about $33 billion in federal contracts and grant spending over five years. And in general, they collect more in government funds. tax dollars than they do in tuition, which is also government subsidized, the tuition as well. But we didn’t get all into that. But that’s just another thing to think about. Not only that, but their endowments are multi, multi billions of dollars. Those 10 schools have $240 billion in endowment and almost no tax on those endowments. So more recently, we started looking at public universities, which are in a lot of ways more important because they serve more people, more ordinary, high-achieving local students. So it’s a really big problem. Those students are also getting radicalized, and federal tax dollars are going to that as well. For instance, our recent report on Ohio State shows that about $13 million was spent last year, or in 2023, for 201 employees with DEI-related roles. It’s the highest amount that we found in our survey of different public universities, and we found a various problematic courses, including one called Sexualities and Citizenship, a survey of cultural, social, and political issues related to historical and contemporary lesbian experiences in the United States. This stuff is just crazy. And lots of these federal grants are also really kooky and really problematic in terms of what the federal government is supporting in our nation’s public schools.
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Well, and then it isn’t just so, first of all, all this money and it’s tax dollars. So it’s either being taken from us or also they’re printing money, which is our children will have to pay off. But then also there’s all this foreign influence as well, right?
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yeah that’s true so there’s a lot of foreign donations and it’s all reported on the department of education website but no one really looks into this too closely it’s not well reported but um we did an analysis that showed a 43 billion dollars have gone from to american universities from foreign sources since 1990. um most of that those dollars or or rather plurality of those dollars, about 25%, come from the Gulf states, so Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, and Kuwait. And a significant amount as well comes from China, about $2.8 billion.
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So this money really affects the curriculum, the agenda. And it used to be that getting a college degree would mean that perhaps you’d get a better job, a better lifestyle. I know that through my – I have another show, America’s Veterans Stories, where I interview veterans. I’ve interviewed many, many veterans. World War II veterans. And when they came back from World War II, the GI Bill, many of them went to college, became engineers, doctors, lawyers, and they’d grown up poor in America. And so this had really given them the opportunity for a better life. And I think that that’s many times what we have thought as parents and community members regarding university and colleges. But what we’re seeing now, I know so many families that have sent their kids off to school and they’ve said, I don’t know what happened. My kids went away and they had an appreciation for my values and the American idea. And they’ve come back and they hate what I do. And it’s really tragic what’s happened with this, Amber.
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Yeah, it’s completely heartbreaking, and it’s unacceptable, and there needs to be a huge amount of reform at these universities. And the public universities, especially, because they rely on taxpayer dollars, just think – the tragedy of parents paying through their taxes and tuition the radicalization of their own children. It’s really mind-boggling, and it’s sad. I went to University of Florida maybe like 15 years ago, and I saw this as well and experienced how the pressure of the universities to turn students into left-wing activists works. Luckily, it didn’t work on me. But, yeah, it’s really, really sad. And we need to stop subsidizing these universities with our tax dollars.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and then and the first thing, again, Amber, is to do the work that you’re doing is open the books is to shed light on this. And then, of course, we need to take action. And what would you say the action is? And I think it is, is that we we really need to stop these government grants from the federal government, not only to universities, but also to local government institutions. and school districts, K-12, and counties and states. I really think, and I know that one of our listeners, Jenny, is going to say, it’s basically like crack cocaine for, well, these universities and these other public entities is this money. And we got to get off of it, I think.
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Yeah, you’re completely correct. And I’m really excited about the Doge prospect. I think they’re really sincere about ending DEI spending. It’s ridiculous that even universities like we see the University of Florida system, which DeSantis has done a wonderful job of trying to de-radicalize DEI. that system and, um, reduce DEI across the board. But even so they got a, they get grants, um, from the federal government that are quite left wing. We have one that we found a project for $300,000 to use poetry writing and poetry analysis to enhance student learning and engineering education. What does that even mean? It’s so dumb. Um, and, uh, No doubt it’s a very left-wing project as well. We found other grants that are directly using Southern Poverty Law Center’s teaching tolerance materials to create a, quote, anti-racist student body. So as PLC is a radical left-wing activist organization, why is the federal government funding the promotion of those materials? It’s crazy. And it’s not just government spending and government waste for its own sake. It would be one thing, I guess, if they were just taking those billions of dollars and setting them on fire. That would be better than spending – that money to actively harm Americans and American students and society more broadly through this spending.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, let’s continue the discussion because you’ve uncovered things at Northwestern University and University of North Carolina. And so we’ll talk about that. I’m talking with Amber Todorov, and she is the deputy policy director, editor for Open the Books. And shedding light on all of this is really the first step. And then, of course, we have to take action. We’ve got to get our brains around what is going on. And that’s what we do at the show. And it happens because of sponsors. So for everything mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy. He can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York.
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Indeed, it is Friday and welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. The text line is 720-605-0647. And definitely want to hear from you. Fascinating conversation with Amber Todoroff. She is the Deputy Policy Policy Editor for OpenTheBooks.com. Check out their website, OpenTheBooks.com, and also check out their sub stack at OpenTheBooks. Amber, it wasn’t just Ohio State that you found information on. You also have a report revealing… Northwestern University and a lot of money that’s come in from foreign entities. Tell us about that.
SPEAKER 13 :
So we have… investigated Northwestern as well. It’s a major university and it’s famously rocked by protests, pro-Hamas protests after the Israeli attack by Hamas on October 7th. And what we found was some pretty interesting things regarding foreign funding. One of the biggest funders is Qatar. And so they got about… $700,000 since 2007. And a lot of these are actually funding for scholarships for Qatari students to attend Northwestern.
SPEAKER 15 :
And how much, again, clarify, how much was that again, Amber?
SPEAKER 13 :
Nearly $700,000.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. That seems like chump change compared to all these bigger numbers that you’re talking about.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, of course. I mean, $700,000 is not a lot of money in real terms, but we also have to consider, you know, they’re using these as scholarships to take places for students, like American students that could have attended there and also students We have to think about the radicalizing effect of just getting any amount of money from foreign countries that are sometimes adversarial to our interests and how that could affect the administration and the temperature at Northwestern if they want to remain receptive to that sort of funding, which universities always want more funding. So we have to think about their motivations as well.
SPEAKER 15 :
So during break, producer Joe, who’s 26, he made the comment when you had mentioned that $43 billion has come in to universities since – and is this public universities since 1999 from the Gulf states and from China? And Joe said – Go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, sorry. Go ahead. It’s all universities, including private universities.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. So still $43 billion. And Joe said, aren’t those, isn’t that our enemies? And I thought, well, that’s a pretty good point. Right, Amber?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, it is a good point. And they’re not just ideological enemies, but it’s also a problem in terms of protecting our intellectual property at these universities, especially as we’ve already discussed, because the federal taxpayers are also funding this research and these universities. So when China… gives money to the universities and expects their scholars to join at the universities or to lead projects or to do, like, joint projects with the universities because of this money, we have to be very careful and think about how this could affect our intellectual property and our own interest in keeping that safe and also, of course, the radicalizing notions of having that influence in our universities. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, Amber, another thing. In this DEI that we’re talking about, diversity, equity, and inclusion, initially it sounds good. We are a diverse nation. And The equity thing, that’s a word that we’ve really unpacked is do you want equity and opportunity or equity and outcomes? And this seems to be equity and outcomes. So what that means is that you have really a race to mediocrity. And inclusion, of course, we all like to be included in things now. We’re social animals and we like to be included. It’s not fun to be excluded. But as we’ve really unpacked this word that we’ve realized, it really is Marxism, quite frankly. And also social emotional learning. That is another… Those are code words we need to be really careful of. And the idea that we are using our own money to… push an ideology that wants to basically destroy America is pretty shocking, quite frankly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, it’s real shocking. And, you know, even the mainstream media is starting to catch on. One of the biggest spenders on DEI in the United States in terms of universities is the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. And there was just a big report in The New York Times, of all places, about how their extreme DEI curriculum and atmosphere is making the campuses less tolerant and students more stressed out because they become hyper-focused. on identifying microaggressions and like supposed racisms and just these oppressor and oppressed narratives makes them very sensitive and very on edge. It’s completely unnecessary and it’s wrong. And last year, we also published an interesting, very long report on DEI, social emotional learning at the Department of Defense Pentagon Schools. These are K through 12, but it’s the same sad story. And And it goes more into the SEL aspect as well and how that can be a vehicle for left wing radicalism.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, Amber, the work that you’re doing is making a difference. Yes. And of course, you’d appreciate support from people as well, right?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, that would be great. If you are interested in our work, check us out at OpenTheBooks.com. You can sign up for our sub stack as well. It’s free. You’ll be the first person to see all of our investigations and also our Twitter account is very active as posting the latest news that we find and the data that we have. And, of course, if you see anything interesting or want us to check out from your own local data, feel free to drop us a line. Our contact information is on our website, OpenTheBooks.com.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and to that point, Amber, when I was looking at my area, the city of Lone Tree was not on Open the Books. And so I asked you all if you would check into that. And now it is. It took a little bit of time. But you have such a vast… amount of information at Open the Books. And we’ve got a couple of minutes left. And I’m going to bet you said you went to school 15 years ago, so you’re probably in your 30s. And are you encouraged about getting all this turned around?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I’m 32 years old, and I’m super excited to get this turned around. University of Florida was a wonderful place to learn. It was pretty radical back then, and I’m sure universities have only gotten a lot worse since then. I graduated in 2015. So we need to… make the universities just a learning environment, make it people excited to be Americans and to go out into the American economy and contribute afterwards and be well equipped to do so. And these investigations and transparency from the universities can help Do that by pointing out the problem areas where reform can be taken both at the federal and the state level. So we’re super excited for what’s to come. And also, I should add, there is going to be a very big report from open the books in the next couple of weeks. looking at a survey of different public universities beyond Ohio State and other things that we’ve reported and it’ll be a really interesting compendium and I hope if you guys subscribe you’ll see it and I’m sure you’ll find it very interesting.
SPEAKER 15 :
Great. And we have like 13 seconds left, but we have this question and asking if these classes, these wild classes that you’re mentioning, are they core classes or were they electives?
SPEAKER 13 :
So that’s an interesting question. A lot of them are departmental specific classes, but I agree. It is a huge problem in terms of some of these universities adding core classes that are extremely left-wing in nature that nobody should be taking, but everyone is forced to take no matter their major. But it’s something that we should look into more. I agree. It’s an interesting question.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, Amber, this has been so great. Thank you so much. We’ll stay in touch. We want to get you back on very soon. Thank you. Thanks a lot, Kim. Check out OpenTheBooks.com. The quote for the end of the show is from Thucydides. He said this, The secret to happiness is freedom, and the secret to freedom is courage. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you’re not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for our number two.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today’s drive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Friday, Producer Joe. Happy Friday, Kim. And that first hour was super interesting, I thought, with Amber Todorov with the Open the Books and all of this money, just money, money, money that’s gone to these universities from taxpayers and also from foreign entities. Many of them are enemies that have been used to indoctrinate our children. We scratch our heads and wonder what has happened. And then, of course, these kids have taken out student loans online. also uh and you can see it’s just money money money and then these kids get out of college they’re faced with all of these student loans and then and the oh biden harris administration had said that they were going to forgive those loans well they can’t do that but this is this is quite the thing producer joe this is i don’t even know what to say exactly Whoops, I threw it over to Joe and I bet he’s being that happens sometimes when I throw it over. He’s being sidetracked on things. So with that, this is it’s quite the scheme. I guess I will just say that. So let’s go ahead and get into some of these things. First of all, thank you to Laramie Energy and for their gold sponsorship of the show. It’s reliable, efficient, affordable and abundant power from oil, natural gas and coal. that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. That industry has been under attack in the culture, in legislation, rules, and regulations. Ultimately, what that means is our everyday prosperity is under attack. And that’s why we do the show, is to… to shed light on this, to think about these issues, kick the tires on these ideas. And so be sure and check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. And again, thank you to all of you. I greatly appreciate you. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com. The text line is 720-605-0647. And thank you to all of you who support us. And you can hear the show 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon, second hour 10 to 11 at night. And that’s on all KLZ platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And we look at these issues and search for truth and clarity and look at these through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Ultimately, socialism is not about free stuff. It ultimately comes down to force because it’s a bad idea. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Our word of the day and your challenge is to use these words in a sentence. The word is repugnant. It’s R-E-P-U-G-N-A-N-T. And the first definition could be arousing disgust or aversion, could be offensive or repulsive. Number two, it could be contradictory or inconsistent. Or number three, disposed to fight against. So it’s hostile or at war with. And there’s a lot of, well, a couple of things. I will say with the conversation with Amber Totoroff with Open the Books, I find it repugnant. that these universities are taking all of this money to push forward agendas that are really many of them bent on tearing down our country. And she mentioned a number of the students are anxious. And apparently there is a book out called The Anxious Generation. And at church the other day, they said that they’re going to address this. They’re going to actually have a series on the anxious generation. And I hope I can work it into my schedule to attend that because all of this money has occurred to make many of our young people very anxious. And so we want to stay on top of all that. But your word of the day is repugnant. Try to use that in a sentence today. And then our quote of the day, it’s Friday, so it’s from the Center for American Values Medal of Honor quote book. Be sure and check out AmericanValuesCenter.org. They are going to have a very important event regarding the USS Pueblo, remembering it, and Bob Chica, who was on that USS Pueblo, which was captured by the North Koreans during the Vietnam War and held for years. as prisoners for over a year. And they’re going to tell that story. And Bob Chica will be the presenter at their On Values presentation on January 23rd. So get more information about that by going to AmericanValuesCenter.org. So the quote is from Leo K. Thorsness, United States Air Force Medal of Honor recipient. He was born in 1932. He died in 2017. And this was for actions that he took on April 19, 1967. And he was shot down two weeks later and he was in a prison camp for six years. And this was his quote. As a six year prisoner of war, I learned that freedom is our most important commodity. We keep it through personal responsibility. Freedom is the flip side of responsibility. And so great quote there. It’s Friday, so what that means is it’s a Jim May Friday. You know him, Cattleman. Jim May with Lavaca Meat Company. Jim, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good morning, Kim. It’s good to be with you today. Can you hear me all right?
SPEAKER 15 :
I’ve got you. It sounds loud and clear, which is great, and great to see you yesterday as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
That was a nice visit. I enjoyed the crowd down there at Hooters, and we enjoyed It was good to be with you, and I’m cranked up to go for a new year here, and a lot of good things happening, and I’m excited about 2025.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I am as well, but one of the things that we talked about yesterday is our concern regarding these fires in California. What’s your thoughts about that, Jim?
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, your word of the day here is repugnant, and I look at some of the things that have happened with The woke left. You know, I’m not blaming it all on them. I understand. I’ve been hailed out. I’ve been blown out by tornadoes and all kinds of things. And I understand that part of it. But, you know, they broke about five or six reservoirs open and let all the water run to the ocean because of a little bitty fish. It’s so silly. When they needed the water around them, they didn’t have it. And it’s just some of these things are just common sense. And Trump identified this way back in 17. You’re doing this wrong. You’re going to get in trouble. And so many of the things that he’s identified have come to pass. You know, we started out with all these things about you’re going to let everybody in this country, you’re going to get some bad apples. And we’ve seen what’s happened there and on and on and on. And I think the American public, I don’t care if you’re red, blue or what, but you’re recognizing this. And we had a mandate and we had elections. And I just hope Judge Marchand is getting ready to sentence Trump here just in a few minutes. And I guess they just don’t listen because all he’s doing is making the judicial system look bad. A kangaroo court, I can find 12 people that can vote for something on his books that wasn’t right and call it a felony and do that 34 times. And so now the President of the United States, the highest position in our land, is going to be you know, sworn in as a convicted felon. And you’ve really done a great thing for our country because it’s all a joke.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and I checked – yeah, I checked that out, Jim, because I was wondering, because that’s the narrative. They want to say 34 counts. He was convicted of 34 counts. But then when I looked at it, what it was is it was a bookkeeping entry to request like an invoice, and then the check was issued, and then the accounting entry. And that’s what those 34 counts are. And we are in quite a – quite a dangerous position if the future president of the United States can be convicted of accounting crimes, like accounting alleged crimes, I would say. And so this is going to be a very interesting day, don’t you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
It is. And it really is pretty sad for our country. I don’t think anybody should be proud of what’s happened here. And all I’m saying is there are folks You know, they say nobody’s above the law. Well, you know, Hunter Biden must be above the law. I guess George Soros, all those people we hung the medal of the presidential medal of honor around their neck. And now we’ve pardoned all these, you know, thousands of people that are just criminals to our country. They came in here and and get Mo and they’re all off the hook. So there are people in this country that are above the law, unfortunately. What I’ve seen in the last, like I said, what I’ve seen here in the last couple months of this administration is repugnant. And I think a lot of people would agree with me.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I think that is true. And I’m excited about 2025. We all have a responsibility that we are engaged in government. And in fact, I had this quote that producer Steve had given me. Let me see if I can find this. Because I think a lot of people in California, these fires are experiencing this. And this was from a… Martha Gellhorn, American novelist, writer, and journalist, born in 1908. She died in 1998. And this is what she said. She said, I think that there are those in California that may have been very supportive of these blue policies, maybe rethinking their non-action in politics with what’s happening out there, Jim.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and that’s what I like about the Kim Munson show is because you’re somebody that stands up, talks about it, does something about it, and that’s really the reason I’m on this radio spot. We sell 10,000 times more meat to the public in another way than a little meat store. But it’s a chance to voice some of these things. And we need to get out there and talk about it. We need to say some things because, you know, the media is still not learning from what, you know, they need to look at what’s happened here and be a little smarter than what they are. And some people are coming around, I think, I think Facebook’s coming around. Obviously, Elon with what he did with Twitter. You know, it’s getting through. You’re getting things done, Kim, in your way, and I hope you keep working at it, and I’ll support you in everything you’re doing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, Jim, I so appreciate it. And let’s just talk a little bit about the Lavaca meet. And I know one of our listeners gave me a personal testimonial. She typically sends her brother-in-law a different message. meat box during christmas but has gotten to know you through the show and so she got a levaca meat box as fillets that was sent to her brother-in-law and he said it is true it is really the steakhouse experience at home and it is a premium product and it is worth every penny of it And so you’re located at Lavaca in Maine, in Old Littleton, and would highly recommend that people, for a real treat, check that out. One other thing, when we met yesterday, you weren’t sure you were going to have a cowboy poem today. You thought maybe you might write one last night. Do you have a poem for us today or not?
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Well, I’ve substituted something. I had Imogene pull something off a plaque on my wall in my office that was done a long time ago. And actually, it became a cowboy poem later on, but it’s growing up with, we call them dad-isms, right?
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Yes.
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Dad-isms are things that my father said, and I know you’re from my part of the world and understand simple ranch folk and how they think and talk. So I’m going to do that in just a minute. I appreciate the comments on the Lavaca meat, and I’ve gotten several of them. And Brad Becker, you had on the other day, just sent me a nice note as well. And I’ve had, you know, I get a little exposure here. I wish you could see my text line sometime, and I’m very appreciative of. I know we have a product. Our goal here is to give people the very best. It’s as simple as that. You cannot hardly buy the steaks that Morton’s or Cap Grill or, you know, Shanahan’s can buy. That’s part of our world. We get paid a lot more for that meat, and we’re proud of that. But that’s what goes to the steakhouses. And so we put that in our store for you folks to come in and barbecue sometime or throw one on the broiler in your oven. It’s going to taste excellent. We keep it frozen and we tell you to let it thaw out at room temperature or use cold water if you need to. But you’re going to experience the steakhouse thing. And if you really don’t want to go out and do all the other things and you’re going to pay for the ambiance and the drinks and all the other things that you do. And I hope you go to a steakhouse too, but there’s a chance to go buy a really good piece of meat. It’s kind of for the money, and it really is a value when you know what the system is. I hope, and if you come in our store, I hope maybe you just say, hey, I’m listening to the cowboy pull out there and want to buy some meat. And let us know if this is having an effect on you. I hope it is. But I’ll tell Harley and Steve and Jerry to monitor this a little bit. We’re hoping that this is something that’s working. And if you can’t come to the store, we can check us out at LavacaMeats.com.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Well, definitely, LavacaMeatCompany.com. And what is your poem today?
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. It’s not really a poem. These are the top ten classic quotes of my dad. It’s more of a kind of a growing up experience and some of the things said out there in the world and out there in the farm world. So my dad was born in 25, and what brought this about was I was watching Jimmy Carter’s funeral, and I realized that he was born in 25 also. My dad would be 100 years old today. Actually, he’s been gone since 2013. But proud of the way we grew up. And this little list, this is like the David Letterman show. You remember that, where they had the top ten list? I do. And he started his show. So I pulled out one of those, and it begins and ends on the same thing. For a young man, the best thing, you don’t learn anything when you’re talking. Listen and listen and think and keep your mouth shut most of the time as you’re growing up and try to, and that’s what, that’s something we, these are things we’ve lived by. These are the top 10 classic quotes of my dad.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
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Number 10, if you ain’t got something smart to say, shut up. Number nine, 50 years ago, we used to work like hell. Number eight, either stop working and start drinking or Or stop drinking and start working. Don’t try to do both. Number seven. The whole family laughed at this. Who stole my jumper cables? Okay. Number six. It’s one mile to the feedlot. You guys go full blast halfway and you slam on your brakes the other half. Number five. If I couldn’t grow a better beard than that, I don’t believe I’d try. Number four, if you never tell a lie, you won’t have to try to remember what you said. Number three, it’s almost six. What are you guys going to do, sleep all day? Number two, that red sign, don’t say slow down. It says stop. And the number one thing, never pass up an opportunity to keep your mouth shut. Oh, my gosh, Jim. The classic sayings of my father in a growing-up world out on the range in eastern Colorado. So I’m sharing that with you today.
SPEAKER 15 :
I love it. So, Jim May, thank you. Lavaca Meat Company, check out lavacameatcompany.com, or lavacameat.com, I think it is. And we’ll talk to you next week.
SPEAKER 05 :
Always good to be with you guys. Happy New Year. Let’s have a great 2025.
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I really appreciate that. And yes, 2025, we’re looking into 2025 with anticipation and hope. And I know all my sponsors and none of them are DEI sponsors, which is the race to mediocrity, which we’re seeing with these DEI hires out in Los Angeles. They all strive for excellence. And one of those great sponsors. sponsors is the roger mangan state farm insurance team and they’ve been in business for 48 years because they strive for excellence take care of their clients he’s taking care of his family and his community so give them a call for a complimentary appointment you might be able to save some money and also understand your insurance coverage like a good neighbor the roger mangan team is there
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SPEAKER 15 :
It is Friday. Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Pleased to have on the line with me, Bonnie Brown. She is the Executive Director of the Colorado Wool Growers Association and Got to know her during the November election as we were shedding light on just how terrible a couple of these ballot initiatives were in Denver regarding shutting down meat processing in Denver city limits. And Denver… It’s been known as a cow town. And then also to try to eliminate the sale of any fur products in Denver. Both of those fortunately were defeated and really learned a lot from the interviews with Bonnie Brown. So, Bonnie, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks, Kim, for having me back. Appreciate the opportunity to be here again.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and we haven’t really congratulated each other on the fact that those two really terrible initiatives in Denver were voted down. And I’m so pleased. I was very concerned about those, Bonnie Brown.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, you know, just a lot of hard work from the ag community involved. on that, getting the word out. And really great to see that Denver voters recognized the damage that would have been caused by that and the ulterior motives of the group that was pushing that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and so we have this issue that did get through the ballot box, and that was the reintroduction of wolves on the west side of the Continental Divide. And it was really probably… approved by many of the voters in the urban area of Denver and Boulder. And I’ve said, if the people of Denver and Boulder wanted wolves in Colorado, then they should have voted to put them in their own backyard instead of somebody else’s backyard. But they are in the backyard of our farmers and ranchers on the Western slope. Of course, those wolves are moving around as well, Bonnie.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, in the, in the time that this has started when they’ve got paws on the ground, um, Wolves have killed about 30 head of cattle, 12 sheep, three dogs, and one llama. That’s just what’s confirmed. That’s not the livestock that’s missing. And, you know, an interesting comparison is we’ve had more depredation in Colorado in less than one year with the release of 10 wolves than the entire state of Montana has had in the last year with a population of over 1,000 wolves. And that’s largely due to the fact that Colorado Parks and Wildlife’s brought in wolves from Oregon that already had a history of killing livestock. And that was explicitly stated in the state management plan that they were not supposed to bring in wolves that had a history of depredation. So it’s just been basically an unmitigated train wreck. This fiasco has cost about $5 million to date through the Colorado Parks and Wildlife Association. That doesn’t include the money spent by the Colorado Department of Agriculture or the money that’s been donated by NGOs.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and it looks like, at least from headlines that I’m seeing, that Colorado Parks and Wildlife, which are the appointees on that board that lead that department, are those POLA’s appointees or who are they exactly?
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, so the Colorado Parks and Wildlife is our state game agency that manages wildlife. But their regulations have to go through the Wildlife Commission. And that board is really, at this point, unfortunately, heavily influenced by our governor. Those appointees to the Wildlife Commission, they do have to be confirmed by the state senate. But what we’ve really seen since the Polis administration is him stacking people on that commission that are very, you know, anti-agriculture, anti-traditional hunting. Landowners are a big component of wildlife farming. management in our state because we have so much of the habitat, in particular the crucial winter habitat. So we’ve always worked closely with what was formerly Colorado Parks and Wildlife. We used to be Colorado Division of Wildlife. It was combined years ago when the Parks Department was in trouble, and now we’re all in trouble because the focus has shifted away from traditional management models on game management and really trying to throw the landowners under the bus.
SPEAKER 15 :
So there has been the depredation, you said the confirmed depredation. It’s probably a lot more than that, that lambs and calves and cattle, and you said there were dogs and llama, and that’s just really more the domesticated animals as well. I imagine there’s been a lot of depredation in the deer and elk community area as well, correct? Correct.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and, you know, that was one of the really upsetting things about Prop 114 when it passed in 2020 is in the blue book, voters didn’t see any impacts to what would happen to our big game herds. And that was an interesting process to really be invested in trying to get the language in the blue book so it would accurately reflect the impacts of this ballot initiative. And it wasn’t. It clearly ignored impacts to our big game herds. Our outfitters out there, you know, they’re an important part of Colorado, too, and they were completely ignored during this process.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and this whole Blue Book process, because I’ve been involved in trying to submit information or copy that’s going to be in there, and it is a bit of a political game, just what even gets into the Blue Book, Bonnie Browne.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know what it is. And that’s really disappointing to me because prior to being so wrapped around the axle on these issues, you know, I thought that was like the authoritative guide. And so many of our voters just look solely to that. Well, the fiscal note in 2020 in the blue book, I think estimated the cost of Wolf introduction through 2024 would be $1.6 million. We’ve already exceeded, I think, $5 million cost on this program.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and that is why I decided to start to do my voter’s guide back in 2016 or so. And we ended up with our voter’s guide because we really try to bring truth to this. I give the actual ballot question. Well, the ballot question and then all of the background on that as well. You’re not just voting on what’s on that ballot question. There is a lot of other things that you’re voting on. You need to know all of that. And then I will give an opinion and my reasoning. And then hopefully people have information and they will make their own decision. And we had, oh, gosh, I think we had over 60,000 page views on the website and over 6,500 downloads on our voters guide, which I think really made a difference regarding these issues, Bonnie Brown.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, that’s such an important tool to be able to fight, you know, the sound bites. in misinformation and outright lies that we see on social media. You know, we, unfortunately, you know, we both know that people get a lot of information off their little Facebook, you know, bites and stuff. And, People really have to do their due diligence. And so, you know, I would just reinforce that with listeners that the Blue Book is a good document, but you have to go beyond that to research these issues to understand the impacts of what you’re voting on.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, it is really important that we understand what we are voting on. I’m talking with Bonnie Brown. She is the executive director of the Colorado Wool Growers Association. And we’re talking about wolves. There’s been many things that are being introduced in our society that ultimately limit our food supply. And we in the urban area have taken for granted abundant and affordable food at the grocery store. And we’ve got to make sure that we protect those that feed and fuel us. And that’s why we have these important discussions. Before we go to break, I did want to mention the Center for American Values. I may have done that already, but check out. They’re going to have a really important event on Monday. January 23rd on an On Values presentation regarding the USS Pueblo. And Bob Chica was on the USS Pueblo. They were taken prisoner by the North Koreans. You know what? Maybe I want to make sure that I got that right. It was either the North Vietnamese or the North Koreans. And they were prisoners for over… And you can get the correct information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. And all of this happens because of our sponsors for everything residential real estate. Reach out to Karen Levine.
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SPEAKER 15 :
It is Friday. Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And regarding that event at the Center for American Values in Pueblo, on January 23rd. It was the USS Pueblo on January 23, 1968, was captured by the North Koreans. And the crew was held captive for over a year. And one of those crew members will be presenting on January 23rd down at the Center for American Values. And that is Bob Chica. You can get more information by going to AmericanValuesCenter.org. On the line with me is Bonnie Brown. She is the executive director of the Colorado Wool Growers Association. And, Bonnie, we’ve been talking about this wolf reintroduction. And as I think people are understanding what this is really doing is I think the wolf was romanticized by those that were pushing that wolf. and now I’ve seen pictures of carcasses of lambs and calves that have been attacked. And so people, I think Coloradans might be up for repealing that. And so there might be some action going on on that, yes?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, there has been a title filed on that, but I would say on that, you know… Beware of unintended consequences. So that would go through in 2026. By that time, we’re probably going to have 40 to 50 wolves on the ground already. And so our statutory funding language is also linked to to Prop 114. So if that’s repealed, so is your statutory obligation for funding compensation. And they’re already going to have wolves on the ground. We’re going to have more wolves through migration and more wolves through reproduction. So again, that’s one of those things people really need to be educated on. Initially, it sounds really good on the surface, but there needs to be a lot further discussion on that issue.
SPEAKER 15 :
I always hear the term stakeholders. Well, I think the stakeholders in this really are probably the farmers and ranchers. So are the farmers and ranchers, and you mentioned also the outfitters, do they have a seat at the table on this conversation?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, interestingly enough, the… individuals that filed that haven’t reached out to any of the major stakeholders on this, which are your big landowner livestock organizations. And I’m not as tied into the sportsman groups, but I think they were taken by surprise on this as well. So again, I think something very well intended. But if you look at the timeframe, if you look at the statutory language, I think there’s some concerns there.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
The other thing about that, I just want to mention quickly, a repeal does not compel CPW to go out and remove those wolves that have already been released. They’re still going to be on the landscape.
SPEAKER 15 :
And aren’t those wolves also, I think I remember legislation last year that really protected them, protected wolves, I think. Do you remember that?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, there was a lot of things going on, and there still is. But what One thing that got put in place was the federal 10-J designation, which is an ESA designation. That’s actually a positive. It declared the Colorado… Wolf population is non-essential experimental, which through the federal ESA process enabled lethal take for depredating wolves. But POLIS got in the middle of that. I mean, POLIS is not going to let CPW go out and depredate. kill depredating wills. We’ve already seen that with the Copper Creek Pack that should have been clearly eliminated early last year and would have eliminated all this livestock loss that we’ve not nearly all the livestock loss that got claimed in 2024. But Polis wouldn’t let CPW do their job. Wow. So there’s a lot of moving parts, both federal and state on this issue.
SPEAKER 15 :
So do you anticipate any changes with the Trump administration coming in?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I know, you know, it’s likely that federally wolves will get delisted in the lower 48, which is a good thing because they’ve been recovered for decades. We will still, if that does happen, we’ll still have all the state restrictions here in Colorado and probably litigation ad nauseum on wolves. You know, we’ve seen that in the other states, just decades of litigation by the pro-wolf groups. And, you know, if it’s OK, quickly, I’d like to talk about the non-lethal hoax for a few minutes, because that’s something that I think most people clearly don’t understand.
SPEAKER 15 :
I remember that piece of legislation. Yes, definitely.
SPEAKER 16 :
So one of the things that’s really pitched through CPW and Department of Ag and by the wolf advocates is if you use all these non-lethal methods, wolves won’t kill livestock. Well, we’ve clearly seen that fail already in the first 24 months. But I went to Arizona. to a range rider program about two months ago to go through their range rider program and talk about non-lethals. And one of the things that CPWs, you know, pitched through their workshop is, you know, if you teach cattle to stand quietly, they won’t stampede away from the wolves and we can all hold hands and life will be wonderful. Well, Arizona Ranch down there that has incurred a lot of Depredation, clearly told me they’ve had more mama cows killed by wolves that have stood their ground and fought to protect their calves than any of their cattle that have got spooked and run from wolves. So, you know, the point is with that story is non-lethals, they might have a short timeframe where they work, but wolves quickly get habituated to them. And wolves will come in and kill livestock anyway. But there’s really this narrative statewide that, oh, if you just use non-lethal control, we don’t have to shoot wolves and they won’t kill cattle or sheep. And it’s just patently false.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I think there was a piece of legislation last year, because as I’m president of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, which is an all-volunteer group, that we watch legislation that is scheduled for hearing for the next week. And I remember a piece of legislation that I think was signed into law by Polis, designating some of these officers with Colorado Parks and Wildlife that would go out, and they were like non-lethal officers. officers or something, and I thought, wow, that’s almost crazy. Do you remember that one?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, yeah. Both Parks and Wildlife and the Department of Ag, they’re working jointly to implement programs where they’re going to have range riders and have additional funding for non-lethal animals. And again, it can work for a short time. But one other thing in particular for the sheep ranchers that they’re asking is that we night pin our sheep. Well, when you’re on a summer allotment in the national forest, I mean, you really have to watch your forage management so you’re not trampling down your forage. It’s impractical to put up electric fencing every night. Can you imagine trying to string up fencing through the oak brush in Denver? You know, recreationalists get mad if they see you out on a meadow in an open area with, you know, a few head of livestock. But yet now we have government agencies, state agencies saying, trying to dictate to us on federal Forest Service allotments how we manage our livestock, and that’s in direct conflicts with these allotment management plans that we do with the Forest Service or BLM that closely monitor forage management so you’re not in effect overgrazing. But now the wolf advocates in the state agencies want us to bunch up our livestock, trample forage because there’s wolves on the ground.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and one other, forage management done properly, I would think, would help prevent grass fires and forest fires, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, we’ve worked for decades on good management programs where you do have your livestock dispersed across the landscape. And we know this from livestock producers in other states. Once you get wolves on the ground, whether it’s cattle or sheep, they really want to bunch up. They don’t want to move. They don’t want to go out and graze. And they stand there and trample the forage. And if you look at, you know, there’s been a lot of information released in the media right now about those several big livestock claims that were filed through the Wolf Program, you know, the $580,000 in losses. And when you’re looking at loss of weight, which I think is one of the things they filed on, their weaning weights on their calves were a lot lighter. It’s because those cattle aren’t out. They’re not grazing. They’re not utilizing that pasture and eating. They’re bunched up and scared because they’ve got wolves in the area.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. So Bonnie Brown, this was from one of our listeners, came in on the text line, says, the wolves they’re giving us are northern Canadian timber wolves. They’re not the prairie wolf that was indigenous to the United States. So I guess there’s different species, I guess, of wolves as well. Wow.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that’s a great comment. I mean, we’re getting much larger wolves than we’ve had here historically. We have less habitat for them. Our guardian dogs that we use, when they come up against wolves, they lose. They’re supposed to be out there protecting against bears and lions and coyotes, which they can do quite effectively. But you have these big wolves come in and start to attack livestock, and guardian dogs go out there, and typically they get killed when they’re trying to protect their livestock.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, my gosh. This is another thing that came in on the text line. Is it possible to decouple wildlife from the parks?
SPEAKER 16 :
You know what? I wish it was. I was adamantly opposed. I know that the livestock, at least Colorado Wool Growers Association, I believe some of the other livestock associations, we opposed that years ago when parks was put together with wildlife because of budgetary issues. And it’s been a terrible, terrible mistake to do that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Bonnie Brown, it’s totally fascinating. Your final thought, and I imagine you’re getting very excited about the National Western.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that’s always a great event to have in the state, especially this year after defeating the slaughter ban. So, you know, what we just need on the wolf issue, citizens going to these wildlife commissions and just injecting some common sense into these crazy activist comments that we’re hearing on wolves.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. And where’s the place people should do that? Is there a website?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, they can go to the Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission page on the Colorado Parks and Wildlife website.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, great.
SPEAKER 16 :
And I can send you the link for that.
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it is friday welcome back to the kim munson show check out our website that’s kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it and nonprofit i dearly love is the usmc memorial foundation And they’re raising money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial, which is here in Colorado. And so we as Coloradans need to support that. And I would really recommend that you put that on your repertoire to support in 2025. You can get more information by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Text line 720-605-0647. We’re going to try to get through some of these texts here. First one, this is from Susan talking about President Trump, his sentencing today for the criminal actions which are accounting crimes. accounting entries and she said this she said the real issue is it’s just shows that they can come after any of us for an accounting entry error and some of that is all how that issue is perceived and so that is very very wise let’s see next thing here Holly, if large livestock are afraid of the wolves, what about the rest of wildlife that the wolves are probably also absolutely decimating? Large Canadian wolves are going to completely upset the ecosystem in Colorado, and possibly this is done with intent. I think very, very possibly that they know what the results will be of this. Let’s see. Next thing. Okay, here we go. This is from a listener said when the Cameron Peak and Alexander the Storm Mountain fires came close in Larimer County, it was terrifying. And our listener said the first thing that she did was called her elderly neighbors to make sure they knew the fires were moving so fast and asked if they had a place to go. She said, I started packing all of the important documents, family photos and keepsakes. I’m thinking that Roger and I should do something, Roger Mang on emergency situation. I think that is really a good idea. And we talked a little bit about it with Brad Beck yesterday because he’d been in an earthquake in California. And we all need to be prepared. We don’t look to the government to save us. because it’s just individuals. And we can see what’s happening with the mismanagement in California, the blowing up of dams, there’s not water available, turning on fire hydrants and there’s no water there. And I think people are having their eyes wide open. They’re becoming wide open on just how this can be so incompetent. And this whole global warming thing regarding wanting to make sure that we care about our air and our earth. Just think about what is happening to the air in California right now with all of the brush and the trees and the buildings and the homes that are going up in smoke. And just think what that is doing for air quality there. So this is all about control. It’s all about anti-human flourishing. And so that’s why we need to stay informed on all this. And do check out a climate conversation dot com. because there’s a lot of great information there. Let’s see if I can get through. Let’s see here. Gammy, listen to the governor’s State of the Union speech. It was very eye-opening and alarming. And I need to listen to that as well, so I’ll need to debrief with her on that. But we really are, we have those in government, PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties that are pushing And people do not do well under Marxism. In fact, people starve. But they’re equal in their starvation, which is what the problem is. And of course, the elites then, they want to have everything for themselves. See if I can get any more text messages in here. Hold on just quickly. Colorado, this is from another listener, said that they heard that they’re planning on introducing It wolves into Colorado for the next 10 to 15 years. Wow. And then also a listener said, yay for Lavaca Meat Company. She’s going to stop by today. So I thank all of you and I wish you a great weekend. Our quote for the end of the show, I was looking for courage quotes, and this is from Thucydides. He said this, the secret to happiness is freedom and the secret to freedom is courage. And so my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And we’ll talk to you on Monday.
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