In this thought-provoking installment, Kim Munson engages with historical milestones and their bearing on modern governance, from the Brooklyn Bridge’s construction to the evolution of global climate narratives. Special guest John Reed Austin shares his journey of creating a unifying anthem, ‘One Nation Under God,’ encapsulating the spirit of patriotism and unity. Don’t miss this chapter as Kim navigates the delicate balance between tradition, policy-making, and societal progress.
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And it’s never compassionate, my friends, to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunities, or life. And forest can be a weapon, policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation. This agenda of the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites, the United Nations, Colorado State Legislature, the Colorado Governor, World Health Organization, land use codes, zoning regulations, forest fees, conservation easements, the list goes on and on. But I think we’re starting to maybe see a crack in some of this. And there’s this headline that I wanted to share with you. And this is from, let’s see, I think it’s the Wall Street Journal. It says, big banks are fleeing the climate coalition formed to reduce carbon emissions. And this goes on to say that Morgan Stanley, Citicorp and Bank of America this week withdrew from an ambitious pandemic era climate coalition designed to help drive a shift to reduce carbon emissions and I have that in air quotes by businesses that followed withdrawals over the past month by Wells Fargo and Goldman Sachs from the United Nations. There you go. Backed coalition known as the Net Zero Banking Alliance. It says J.P. Morgan Chase is the largest bank in the nation. by assets and the only major U.S. bank left in the coalition is considering withdrawing from it, a person familiar with the matter said. A J.P. Morgan spokeswoman, I wish they would give their names, that would be good journalism, said the bank regularly evaluates memberships to ensure that they further its client and business interests. And back in 2021, the members vowed to align lending, investment, and capital markets activities with net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. So what they were trying to do is use the banking industry to squeeze out capital to prevent the exploration and development, the capital necessary for oil, natural gas and coal. So this is really huge that this is happening. And this is this recent exodus from the coalition reflects a broad pullback by companies ahead of the second Trump administration from environmental, social and corporate governance areas. So ESG and they became a craze on Wall Street years ago, but have since been maligned by says conservative groups. It might be groups that want to make sure that we maintain our individual freedom. So this is really huge. And that’s why my hat is off to Walt Johnson. for him and his wife, Remy, stepping forward and financing a climate conversation. He wanted to have just an honest conversation with scientists and experts about this whole climate question. And so we’d really recommend that you check out the website. It’s a climate conversation dot com. You can watch the documentary there for free. We’ve created a very informative set of podcasts with experts and scientists as well. And so I would recommend that you check all that out. But this is a really a huge development. And sometimes when we think things are impossible, they’re not. We just have to continue to put one foot in front of the other. So my father used to always say is one foot in front of the other. And that’s what we need to do. And that’s what we will be doing in 2025 on the show. So our word of the day, I use this because it’s used to describe Benjamin Franklin, and he was our inspiration for the quote of the day the other day. And the word is polymath, and it’s spelled P-O-L-Y-M-A-T-H. And it’s a person of great or varied learning, or it could be number two, a person with extraordinarily broad and comprehensive knowledge. And those are really the two words. definitions on that. And we wonder who would be polymath of this generation. I think probably one of the first people might be Victor Davis Hanson that comes to mind. But again, polymath, P-O-L-Y-M-A-T-H, you’re challenged to use that in a sentence today. Our quote of the day, I went to Eli, I think it’s Wiesel, and he was born in 1928, died in 2016. He was a Romanian-born American writer, professor, political activist, Nobel laureate, and Holocaust survivor. He authored 57 books, mostly in French and English, including Night, which is a work based on his experiences as a Jewish prisoner in the Auschwitz and Buchenwald concentration camps. And I chose this because our featured guest this hour is John Eastman, who he has been so attacked by lawfare. And he is a constitutional expert, well-respected expert. And there’s a documentary that is going to be screened tomorrow in Mar-a-Lago. It will be released on Monday. And we wanted to get him on the show to talk about that. And then we’ll do a follow-up next week as well. So I was thinking about justice, I was looking for quotes about justice, and this came up by Eli Wiesel. Or it’s Ely, maybe it’s Ely Wiesel, there we go. He says, there may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice. And we felt that over the last few years. But he goes on to say, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest or to shed light on it. I’m gonna add that on there. Because that’s what we do on a regular basis on the show. I want to get through some other headlines before we do that, though. Several things on this day in history. In 1431, the Joan of Arc or Joan of Arc is handed over to Bishop Pierre Cachon. Ultimately, she was burned at the stake. In 1521, again, big religious thing happening, Martin Luther is excommunicated by Pope Leo X from the Roman Catholic Church for failing to recant parts of his 95 thesis, which started the Protestant Reformation. Big deal. The day after, well, it was on Christmas Day Eve, was when there was the Battle of Trenton in 1775. George Washington prevailed there. He let his troops rest, and then they decided to fight the Battle of Princeton. And they defeat the… Excuse me, that was 1776. So this was 1777 then. Battle of Trenton, 1776. Then they rest. 1777, George Washington’s Revolutionary Army defeat the British forces at the Battle of Princeton in New Jersey. I don’t really know the history of Texas, so many of you Texans out there do, but I thought this was interesting. 1823, Stephen Austin receives a grant of land in Texas from the government of Mexico. Eleven years later, the government of Mexico imprisons Stephen Austin in Mexico City. And so I need to do some history work on that. I know there’s those of you out there that know that. I thought that was quite a change of events. 1870, the construction begins on the New York’s Brooklyn Bridge. It was completed in 1883. These days, it would probably take forever to get the permits to do that, and it would take forever to complete that. But they did that in 13 years. 1925, all this is happening in Europe leading up to World War II. But 1925, Benito Mussolini dissolves the Italian parliament and proclaims himself dictator of Italy, taking the title of il duce, the leader. In 1944, World War II, top U.S. flying ace Major Pappy Boynton is shot down in his Corsair by Japanese Captain Kawato flying a zero. And then Pappy Boynton survives as a POW. Then the last probably big battle of World War II, the U.S. aircraft carriers attack Okinawa. And 1977, Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs incorporate Apple Computer. It kind of changed our world. And then, again, a climate event, 2024. And this is why they changed the narrative from global warming to climate change. The lowest January temperature of negative 43 degrees point six Celsius or 46. six and a half degrees Fahrenheit, was recorded in Sweden in the Swedish Lapland. It was a very cold spell across Scandinavia. So the climate is always changing, and there is also weather. And again, that’s why I would recommend you check out A Climate Conversation. Another sponsor of the show is Hooters Restaurants. And how I got to know them, it’s a very important story. When I was on city council 2012 to 2016, it’s a story about freedom, free markets, capitalism competing in the free market versus PBIs trying to exert control. And so I would really recommend that you check out my website for that story. But Hooters Restaurants has five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Great lunch specials. Try out their fish and chips. And again, I thank them for their partnership of both sides. The Kim Munson Show and America’s Veterans Stories. Headlines I wanted to get to today at noon Eastern time. There will be the first vote to for the to choose the next speaker of the House. And so Mike Johnson is the favorite on that. And so it will be interesting to see what happens. That’s highly political and very important. So that will happen today at noon Eastern time. Colorado Public Radio reports that Attorney General Phil Weiser is the first big name to declare for the 2026 Colorado governor’s race. So that is right around the corner. He is a Democrat and had some conversations yesterday about those that might be throwing their hat in the ring on that. And the 2026 election is right around the corner. The next headline, I just have a question on this, and this is from The Daily Caller. And it says that the FBI does another 180 and claims that the New Orleans attacker worked alone day after conducting manhunt for accomplices. I am not an expert in solving crimes, but it sure seems to me like they would need to take a little bit more time before they could come out and definitively say that this attacker worked alone. And so I think this is a stay tuned. Let me know what you think. 720-605-0647 is the text. Next headline is we had talked about this quite a bit yesterday in our educational system. Our kids are not learning how to read and write and do arithmetic. But by gosh, they’re being pushed on this whole DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion thing. nonsense, if you will, and that is putting kids in different groups, trying to divide them via race and via sex, their gender, pushing this agenda that girls can be boys, boys can be girls, that kids can use different pronouns at school, their parents don’t know. You say, how can this happen? Well, there’s a lot of money that’s gone to that. This is from the Washington Examiner. It says the Biden Justice Department spent over $100 million on DEI-related grants for K through 12. So these grants then go into consultants that will then come in and push this agenda. And as Laurie Gimmelstein said yesterday, I didn’t realize this, and I think this was in the Cherry Creek School District, is there are so many teachers, public school teachers, that have gotten into the profession because they love children, they want to teach, but yet they’re being pushed to push this agenda. And I said, how is this happening? Well, there are she said there’s now in Cherry Creek paid staff in each school that is pushed. It’s the I don’t have the exact term she used, but like the DEI compliance officer that these teachers have to be taking the training and pushing this agenda. and so they they are being paid to do that how are they being paid well 100 million dollars from the biden justice department uh for dei related grants for k through 12. that will do it uh next thing uh just uh i wanted to mention starbucks this is again from the daily caller is closing one of its flagship locations as crime overtakes the founding city of Seattle. And they’re closing that at the corner of First and Pike across the street from the popular Pike Place Market. And the reason is because of crime. And so, again, we see all of these policies, these bad policies, how they’re working out. And that’s why we have to have to shed light on this and get this turned around. So we have these discussions because of our sponsors. So I thank the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. 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Indeed, it is Friday, and welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. and had a great Christmas season, great Christmas parties. And I met our next guest at a Christmas party, Rachel, who is the producer of one of the other Crawford stations here, had just a delightful event. And I met John Reed Austin there. He’s an artist, a And he has written a song, and he said, this is really important. We’re going to try to get this out here right after Christmas, before the inauguration, and would love to be a guest on the show. So here he is. John Reed Austin, welcome to the show.
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Thank you very much, Kim, for inviting me. I really appreciate it. Good morning to you.
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Well, good to have you. Tell us a little bit about you, John Reed Austin.
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Well, I’m a father of two, grandfather of two, just celebrated 20-year anniversary last month, and I’m a graduate of Colorado Christian University with a music degree, saxophone solo artist for 18 years doing nursing homes mostly, and also have a nonprofit organization for Guatemala and Mexico and We hope to expand eventually. We’ve been doing that since COVID started. That’s pretty much the nutshell.
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Okay. And you’ve written this song, and this is really important to you, and you really are trying to get ears on this. So tell us a little bit about the song.
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Okay. Well, so thank you. It was less than 23 years ago, I woke up from a dream actually singing the Pledge of Allegiance. And I was living in Lake Providence, Louisiana, way up in the northeastern part of the boot next to the Mississippi River at the time. And immediately I realized that I don’t think this song even exists. So I got out of bed and I sat down at the desk and started writing the Pledge of Allegiance. And then within 30 minutes, I had two verses and a chorus with the core message of the song. And, you know, this came during the time when California passed a law to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance. And we were also during the Second Gulf War. So patriotism was really at its height at that time. And so I felt a sense of urgency and got with a guitar friend of mine. And he and I put together the chords. And then I went back home and And I’d say probably a few days later, I had a second dream. And this time, I actually heard God’s voice speak to me. And this only happened a couple times in my life. And he said something quite humorous, musically speaking. He just says, you know, one of the lyrics in your verse is redundant. You need to remove that, and it will clean it up. So I looked, and sure enough, there was a word that was used more than once. And I took it out, and sure enough, it kind of cleaned up the whole song, made it flow better. So then I realized that this was a song from him, and I just felt a sense of urgency even more. So I went to the local recording studio, and we put together a dry recording. And then I met a friend who knew of a man who had contacts to executives in Nashville. which was only about a seven-hour drive from where I was at. So we drove out there to Music Row and met with the execs, and they liked the song. But then came the sobering words, Nashville is not ready for another God and country song. So I was really crushed. I thought, how could this be? God gave me the song, and there’s a height of patriotism. Why wouldn’t they have room for another song? And so it ended up sitting on the shelf for 22 years, and I nearly forgot about the song altogether until last year. My wife was sitting on the couch listening to the song, original recording on her hard drive, and she goes, why haven’t you done anything with the song? And I said, because it’s not to industry standards yet. She says, well, get it to standard, because we have an election coming up. And then I had this renewed sense of urgency, and I thought, Okay, we’ve got elections. We just had three eclipses in America, which is kind of a metaphor of our nation being sliced and diced politically and religiously. So I felt like, you know, maybe we need a song that could help heal this nation. And if Trump could possibly hear this song, you know, this could be the ticket. So I went to the studio last September, and on the 1st of January, it just happened that way. that the song was completed. And so that’s it, pretty much.
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And what’s the name of the song?
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It’s called One Nation Under God.
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Okay, let’s hear it, and then we’ll have just a little bit of commentary after. So go, Joe, hit it.
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Oh, say, can you see flying up so high that banner yet weighs up in the sky? It’s the stars and stripes, red, white, and blue, a symbol for me and for you. Those who bled and died to let our freedom ring, we will never forget. So let this anthem sing. What so proudly we hail, this flag to us we haven’t failed, the one nation that stands under God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. We are one nation that stands under God. And home of the brave Colors for heroes whose lives they gave From sea to shining sea Purple mountains majesty Old glory stands tall For those who sacrificed it all For this grand old flag I will take a stand With my heart placed firmly under hand We must fight the victory For this land of liberty allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands we are a nation that stands under God, woe, woe, one nation under God. Lord, we humble ourselves to seek your face, and God, we trust and give thanks to your amazing grace. We the people proclaim through the power of your name, to the many one nation under Oh, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. We are one nation that stands under God. One nation under God.
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One nation under God.
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So, John Reed Austin, a beautiful song and very pleased to be one of the first, at least, to broadcast the song, John Reed Austin.
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You are the first.
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Aha. OK, well, thank you for sharing this. And just a quick we have about a minute left. Next steps. What do you want to have happen?
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I would like to see if somebody got a way to get an ear to Trump and have this song to be put back into schools, you know, to help renew the Pledge of Allegiance across the nation.
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Well, John Reed Austin, thank you so much. And thank you for we break lots of things sometimes first time here. So very excited about that. And let’s stay in touch again. That is John Reed Austin, One Nation Under God. Thank you for sharing it. It was very fortuitous that we met at Rachel’s Christmas party. So thank you.
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You’re welcome.
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It is Friday, and welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And after hearing John Reed Austin’s new song, One Nation… It makes me think about the USMC Memorial Foundation, which I so totally support. They are raising the money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial, which is here in Colorado in Golden. And it is so important that we understand our history, understand our pledge, understand this amazing gift of America that has been given to us. It’s certainly not perfect. We understand that. There are those that like to focus on the imperfections. But what we want to do is continue to strive towards that ideal and certainly want to honor those that have given their lives, have been willing to give their lives for us, for our liberty. And so a great way to support them is to make a contribution to the USMC Memorial Foundation. I am so pleased to have on the line with me John Eastman. He is one of the… an expert on the Constitution here in America. Also, Trump’s attorney. He has been on a journey that is absolutely unbelievable that this would happen in America. It’s lawfare. But there’s a documentary that’s going to be screened tomorrow at Mar-a-Lago and released on Monday. And we wanted to talk with him about that. And John Eastman, welcome to the show.
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It’s so nice to be back on your program, and I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and a happy new year.
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Well, I thank you. I did. And you as well. And first thing I just want to mention is you and I saw each other back in February. And you had said that one of the papers in California had reached out to you to do a story on how depressed you are with all of these attacks that you’ve had to go through. And you said, well, I’m not really depressed. So tell us just a little bit about that.
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Well, yeah, they wanted to do a human interest story on me and my family and how devastated we were. And I said, where are you getting that? Our country is on the precipice of losing precious freedoms that we inherited from our forebears. And for whatever reason, I’ve been cast into a leading role on the front lines of that battle. I’m well armed for it. I’m well credentialed. I’ve got the tenacity and spirit to fight it. I can’t think of a more important place to be to protecting the freedoms of this country and our constitutional rights than like the right to speech and the right to petition your government for redress of grievances and the right to counsel. You know, to protect those rights for my kids and grandkids, I can’t imagine a more important thing to be doing. So not depressed at all. I’m sorry that our country has degenerated into such a situation that lawyers giving legal advice on open questions of constitutional law would be criminally indicted and subject to the longest and most expensive bar disciplinary proceeding in history. I regret that we’ve degenerated into that, but I don’t regret at all the things I’m doing to protect freedoms for my kids and grandkids.
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Well, and so did they do the story or not?
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No, they didn’t. That was not the story they wanted to carry.
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And I find that fascinating. So this documentary, The Eastman Dilemma, Lawfare or Justice, is going to be screened tomorrow in Mar-a-Lago. So how did this happen? Tell us about this new documentary.
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Well, you know, there was a film producer in Colorado who said, we need to tell your story, but I don’t have any money. And then a Hollywood group that raises money for conservative films because Hollywood won’t do them themselves approached me and said, we’d like to do a film, but we’ve got money, but we don’t have a producer. So I put the two together, and then the next thing I know, they’ve They’ve got this film coming out that tells two stories simultaneously. It tells the story of the election illegality that I witnessed and was trying to deal with in 2020 and the legal strategy that I developed and the historical foundation and support for that. But it also then tells the story of the lawfare that has resulted ever since then, not just against me, but against the president of the United States, against many of his top advisers and against many of his supporters. And that lawfare, I think, is even the more important story, because what they’re trying to do is scare lawyers into taking on. causes or clients that the elite governing class of this country doesn’t like. And we cannot survive as a country with a rule of law that has such a thumb on the scale where only one side is able to get representation and the other side is not because people are afraid of losing their careers, their finances, you know, threats against their families and those sorts of things. And I probably, as well as most, am in a position to fight it, and that’s what we’ve been doing. And this documentary tells that story, and I think in a very compelling way. People should watch it. It premieres at Mar-a-Lago tomorrow, which is going to be great fun. But then it goes available on streaming at MadisonMediaFund.org beginning on Monday, January 6th. And people need to watch it. They can organize small groups and watch it in their homes. They can organize larger groups and rent out local theaters. And then I will come and the producers will come and we’ll do an event out of it all over the country. We’re going to spend the next three months organizing. traveling around the country playing this and talking about it to groups that are organized. So people should go to MadisonMediaFund.org and they can stream it, but then they can also contact us and say, look, we’d like to rent the local theater out and get 100 people or 200 people or whatever it is and watch this because everybody needs to see this. They need to understand what’s been going on the last four years and because shining a light on it is the only way we’re going to protect ourselves from it ever happening again.
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Well, it’s hard to believe that this has happened in the United States of America, but it has, and that’s why this documentary is so important. I was just thinking, I know different people that actually have home theaters as well, and what a great event to just get some friends together for that. So you’ve got me thinking, John, on how this whole thing should come down. Absolutely. Right after, this is so interesting what had happened. So January 6th, you were there, you were on the stage with Donald Trump. And that, I think, is one of the reasons why they really went after you. But then at the time, you were the professor up at CU of conservative thought and policy, so the visiting professor. And all kinds of stuff happened after that January 6th. And I considered you that you were canceled at CU. Would you say that’s accurate or not?
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Oh, yeah. I think I’m the only person that was canceled from two universities within a few days. The night before my classes were to begin in the spring semester, they were canceled. And I was prohibited from coming back on campus. And I’m prohibited from using my title when I spoke publicly out in the community as my job description required that I do. And, yeah, so no question I was canceled. And then also from my main university where I was a tenured professor and former dean at Chapman University in Southern California. The faculty threw a fit. Not the law faculty. I give them credit. They did not sign on to this, but there was a petition to have me removed from my endowed professorship and terminated from my employment. So we reached a settlement, and I retired early. So, yeah, no, this is the anti-Trump, Trump derangement syndrome thing is real. People just could not tolerate being in the presence of anybody that In their mind, how could you possibly support Orange Man bad? You know, it didn’t get any more sophisticated than that. And happily, the American people resoundingly rejected and repudiated that position in November. So I like to say I’m looking forward to a future unburdened by what has been in the recent past, to paraphrase our former losing candidate for president there.
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Okay, so coming in on the text line, 720-605-0647, one of our listeners, Holly, said, could Susan Kochivar do a showing of this at 88 Drive-In Theater? And we’ll have to talk with her about that to see. I know that they’re closed for winter right now, but that would be pretty fun to do something like that. We’ll have to see if we can make something like that happen. Now, again, the Web site is Madison Media Fund dot org. And it says the Eastman dilemma, lawfare or justice. And it has where to stream. So we’re certainly going to go to work on that. So, John, after this all happened, again, the world was, it was surreal. Of course, we were going through, there was COVID. There was so much going on. But you were back in Boulder. And you’ve got such an amazing group of the Boulder Topics and Topics girls. that support you as well, and we all do. So I said, how about if you and I do a podcast? I’ll come up to Boulder with my rig. And you explained what really had happened on January 6th. And actually, previous to that, you talked about the meeting I think it was on January 4th, where it was you and Trump in the room with Mike Pence and his attorney and his chief of staff, if I remember right. And you were talking about what could be done, electoral college certification via the Constitution. Am I remembering that correctly?
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You’re remembering that absolutely right. And there have been a lot of people over the months, both leading up to the election and in the month after the election saying, that it suggested Vice President Pence would simply accept Trump electors instead of Biden electors in the states that Biden had been certified. And I said, no, that would be foolish. But the Trump electors have incredible arguments on why the elections were illegally conducted. And but for that illegality, likely won. And the legislators from those states are advising Pence that their election was not properly certified. And they were asking for more time to assess the impact of that illegality. So my recommendation, my request, my petitioning of Vice President Pence as the president of the Senate was to accept those requests to delay a little bit so that the state legislatures could look at this in a way that they had been blocked from doing because their governors refused to call them into special session. That’s what we asked for in that meeting on January 4th in the Oval Office. And, you know, Pence said, oh, that’s very interesting. We’ll take it under advisement and my team will talk with John a little bit more tomorrow. He has subsequently said he was adamant that he had no such authority. That’s just a lie. He did not want to confront President Trump in person. And it was always, oh, that’s interesting. And what about this? Anyway, so that was the recommendation. And in constitutional terms, it’s called petitioning the government for redress of grievances. There were grievances aplenty. And, you know, the documentary goes through what those grievances were, what the illegalities were, whether eliminating signature verification or ballot harvesting in heavily Democrat parts of town with monies donated from Mark Zuckerberg that far exceeded the campaign finance limitations by just a little bit. You know, quarter, nearly half a billion dollars is a little bit more than the $3,200 campaign finance limitation. And I think… So these were the things that we were looking at, the illegalities. that intruded on the state legislator’s authority, sole authority, to direct the manner of choosing presidential electors. And when non-legislative officials in the executive branch, whether secretaries of state or county clerks or even state court judges, alter the rules of the game without legislative approval, that made it unconstitutional. And that’s what we were trying to address and also assess whether that unconstitutionality affected the outcome of the election, as we think it clearly did.
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It is Friday. Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. As you all know, I really love the Center for American Values located in Pueblo. Pueblo is known as the home of heroes because there are four Medal of Honor recipients that grew up there. And the Medal of Honor is the highest military award that is awarded And it is awarded because when danger and the situation presented itself, these men took action to protect those around them. And we have now this big ideological battle that we’re in. And we have to take action. And so first of all, check out the Center for American Values. That website is AmericanValueCenter.org. They are nonpartisan, nonpolitical, focusing on these foundational principles of America of honor, integrity and patriotism. But a man that has taken action, he was kind of thrown into it, is John Eastman. And tomorrow at Mar-a-Lago will be the screening of his documentary, The Eastman Dilemma, Lawfare or Justice. And one of our listeners said, how about if Susan Kochevar has the film at the 88 Drive-In Theater? And Susan said, we could probably do that in April. So we’re going to go to work on that, John Eastman.
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That would be great fun. And give me as much advance notice as you can. I’ll try and get up there. That would be great fun.
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Wouldn’t that be great? That would be great. And, again, this is from hats off to John Eastman and Perspectives 101 can host us. We’ve got a lot coming in here on the text line 720605. Thank you, Yvonne, for that. So we will go to work. We’re going to get this all organized. So the – how do you say that? It’s illegal, the illegality. I can’t say that word today, John. But that’s one of the things focused on this, right? Okay.
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You mentioned Mark Zuckerberg, and I have really researched this. Colorado seems to be kind of at a tip of the spear on a lot of this stuff, because the Center for Tech and Civic Life is an Obama group, people that supported Obama, and they started this, and this is the nonprofit that received the over… Four hundred and seventy million dollars from Mark Zuckerberg to help with elections in some of the key areas. And interestingly enough, Pam Anderson, who ran for secretary of state on the Republican side here in Colorado in that election, is on that board. So there’s a lot of really weird stuff going on, John Eastman.
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Well, you know, we often think of this as a two-party country with Republicans versus Democrats. What we really have is a uniparty that is Democrats and the establishment wing of the Republican Party and the outsider party. They make America first great movement, the populist uprising, the Tea Party movement, those things, that people that are tired of our elected officials running us into bankruptcy. I mean, right now our national debt is $36 trillion. Nobody even knows what that number means. So if you break it down per person, that’s $100,000 of debt for every single man, woman, and child and baby in the country. My three-month-old grandson is born into $100,000 share of that debt. And this is insane. And instead of tackling the problem, they just keep doubling down on it. You know, in COVID, they spent massive amounts of money. I won’t get into whether I thought that was appropriate or not. But that set the new baseline. They didn’t roll it back after the COVID emergency ended. They just took that as a new baseline and are funding, you know, at those levels now. for nonsensical stuff. And we’ve got to get a handle on this. So the Uniparty has been handed a resounding defeat in November. And then the question is, will the people that work for the elected officials that were brought in to change this actually take orders and do what they’re supposed to do, or will they become obstructionists and try and block what the American people directed their government to do? And I think that remains an open question, that deep state, that uniparty, that unelected and permanent bureaucracy is extremely powerful. And we’ll see whether the election momentum is enough to tackle it.
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Well, and the other thing I was concerned about, though, is many of the down-ballot races. I think it was such a resounding victory for Donald Trump. But I’m concerned about the down-ballot races. And, John, you and I haven’t talked about this, but back in the summer, just looking at things happening in Colorado, I thought we need to do something about this. So I created the Colorado 2024 Election Project and raised money for two different lawsuits together. that we have out there regarding one was with united sovereign americans and their legal team that and both these are out there in in the legal ping pong back and forth that colorado is not meeting the minimum standards as set forth for our elections by congress and so that lawsuit’s been filed there was one that was filed in nine different states And because we raised the money here in Colorado, they added us in to the battleground states. And then the other is through the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice, that basically our voter rolls are not clean. And we raised the money for that. So we’re working and we’re going to work on, I think, a couple of new things here in 2025. But I think Colorado is really a place that we really need to take a look at these elections, John.
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I do, too. And there’s another aspect of this that the Uniparty has backed. in order to block out from election principled conservative, constitutional conservatives. And that’s the open primary movement that lets independent voters weigh in in Republican primaries primarily to elect the more moderate people that are going to support the status quo and the uniparty. And we’ve got a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the open primary right now. And it needs funding as well because it’s, you know, Colorado’s campaign finance rules are very stringent and it’s hard to raise money through the party for that. But it’s the Colorado Republican Party versus Griswold. And people can donate to that to the Claremont Institute because they’ve deemed that this freedom of speech and association issue is within their mission. And they’re supporting the litigation. So people can go to Claremont.org. litigation.claremont.org. I think it’s the site directly and, and support that effort as well, because that’s important. If you want, if you want freedom caucus type people elected to your state legislatures or to the Congress and you can’t get them through a primary because independent or, you know, crossover Democrats who register temporarily as independent to skew the election results in favor of, of, you know, pro-big government Republicans, then we’re never going to win this battle long term.
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Well, and so we are in this battle of ideas. It’s exciting, and it’s a big battle. And, John Eastman, you are on the forefront. And I take such just hope from your attitude of taking this all on. We’ve got two minutes left. And, again, what do you want people to know? And that is MediaMatters.org, right?
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MadisonMediaFund.org is where they can stream it beginning January 6th. If they want to keep up with what we’re dealing with on the law fair, they can visit my Legal Defense Fund website, givesendgo.com. They can donate to help. They can send prayers. But as importantly, they can read the updates there. I encourage people in this first week of our new year to dig back down into update number 43 and read the wonderful article my children wrote today. when the bar decision came down last Easter time. It’ll bring tears to your eyes, and you’ll see how committed my family is to seeing this fight through.
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You have an amazing family. And again, I want to get that right. It’s madisonmediafund.org. And John, we’re going to have you on next week again with an update after everything has been released. We’ll go to work here in Colorado for screenings on this. This is so exciting. And I thank you for breaking this. I know you’ve done some other media on this as well, but I’m so excited to have you on The Kim Munson Show regarding this.
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Well, it’s so nice to be back on your show. I love doing your show every time we do it and look forward to seeing you next time I’m in Colorado. And happy new year to your whole audience. And I hope it’s a prosperous and very healthy new year and that we’ve seen the tide turn and we’re getting our country back on track.
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Well, and John, I really think that we are in the third founding of our country. And it’s exciting to be in this battle of ideas. And so many people are stepping forward. But you really are at the forefront. And again, this came in on the text line. Hats off to John Eastman. Courage, tenacity, fight the good fight. And thank you. So, John Eastman, thank you. Good luck on the screening tomorrow. And we will talk to you next week. And again, let me get this right. MadisonMediaFund.org. You can watch the trailer there and then it has where you can stream it as well. So we’ll talk next week, John Eastman.
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All right. Thank you, Ken. Take care.
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And our quote for the end of the show is Elie Wiesel says this. The opposite of love is not hate. It’s indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness. It’s indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy. It’s indifference. And the opposite of life is not death. It’s indifference. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for our number two of the Kim Munson Show.
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If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Socialism is not about free stuff. And remember, government cannot give to someone what they’ve not first taken away from someone else. And the key then is the word is force. And so ultimately socialism comes down to force. And that’s why it has failed every time it has been tried. On the show, we focus on the issues and we’ll talk about the people pushing those issues, but really try to stay out of the personalities. And of course, John Eastman in the first hour mentioned the Uniparty. And they really are, they work to, and they’re really trying to keep, they’re working to try to divide everyday people that are stepping forward that care about this country. And we need to make sure that we stay disciplined and stay focused on what we need to do to reclaim our state and our country. And so that’s why we’re focusing on the issues and talk about the people pushing them, but trying to stay out of all the personality stuff that is happening. Let’s see here. Our word of the day. is polymath. And I chose this because I talked about Benjamin Franklin. He was one of our quotes of the day earlier this week. And polymath is spelled P-O-L-Y-M-A-T-H. And first definition is a person of great or varied learning. Or number two, a person with extraordinary broad and comprehensive knowledge. And so certainly Benjamin Franklin was a polymath of his era. and trying to think of who might be a polymath of our era. I mentioned in the first hour Victor Davis Hanson, of course, Jordan Peterson, maybe even Joe Rogan. He has so many different guests that he’s become an expert, or maybe not an expert, but has broad learning. And so your challenge today is to use the word polymath in a sentence and impress your friends and family. Thank you. Our quote of the day is Eli, I should know that, Eli Wiesel. And he was born in 1928, died in 2016, Romanian-born, American writer, professor, political activist, Nobel laureate, and Holocaust survivor. He authored 57 books. One of the most famous was Night, which is a book that was based on his experiences as a Jewish prisoner in Auschwitz and Buchenwald concentration camps in He said this, there may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest. And again, I took that quote. I was looking for justice quotes because of our guest, John Eastman, in the first hour and hearing from many of you. saying that take great heart from how positive he is to be in this battle. And really excited about his documentary that is going to be screened at Mar-a-Lago tomorrow. And he actually invited me down if I wanted to go to the screening, which I would have loved to have gone. But just we have so much going on. Time, money, energy decided not to do that. But that’s going to be screened tomorrow at Mar-a-Lago and then released on Monday. And then we are going to go to work to get some screenings here in Colorado. I think Susan Kochavar is already working on that as well. So that is very, very exciting. So let’s see. Several things I wanted to… Just get into this was earlier when we were talking about our kids’ educations and this $100 million that the Biden administration has pushed out for DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion. our kids are not learning how to read and write they’re mixing their minds up it’s this whole boy can be girl girl can be boy that’s not possible it’s against nature’s law but holly said this if kids are not learning cursive writing how are they going to be able to read the declaration of independence and the constitution she has an excellent point And that is why I really think that paper is important. Books, actual books are important because things can be changed on the Internet. And so if you’re only getting reading your books and getting your information on the Internet, you can see how they could make changes to the Declaration of Independence. if you don’t have a hard copy, but also if kids can’t read it, they don’t know it. And, uh, and again, cursive, just the hand eye coordination, just the development of the brain and learning how to do that, uh, dumbing our children down and using all this money to do so is unconscionable. We’ve got to get this turned around. So, uh, several things, um, Says again, John Eastman is so upbeat. You could hear it in his voice. He’s been remarkably stalwart through this last several years. Totally agree on that. Oh, I love this. And this is Colonel Rutledge is going to be our next guest. He’s 96 years young. And Jenny said Colonel Rutledge is a polymath. And I think she’s absolutely right. correct on that. So let’s see. There were a few other things that I wanted to hit because we’re not going to be able to do call-ins today because we are talking about having different guests regarding this vacancy committee that is meeting in Douglas County tomorrow for a to fill the vacancy of Kevin Van Winkle was elected as Douglas County Commissioner creating a vacancy in his Colorado State Senate seat. So we’ll talk with Priscilla Ronn A little bit later today, we talked with Kim Ransom, who is sitting for that vacancy committee, as well as John Carson yesterday as well. And so there was a couple of things I wanted to mention yesterday. from our text line and I thought I had this right here at my fingertips and I don’t so with that though let’s continue on to just talk about how important Colorado is right now these two lawsuits that we that we have filed and it’s because all of you has stepped forward to raise money for that those are in the legal ping-pong back and forth but they are there which is so important And I’ve got two things that I think we’re going to work on here in 2025. So stay tuned on all that. This happens because of our sponsors. And I thank the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. They’ve been great sponsors of the show. We are starting our seventh year of solo broadcasting. And it is because of all of you that we are making all of this happen. And, Joe, I did, as I’m looking at all this, I did give all of these. I want to make sure. Okay, I want to make sure I’m going to say this one more time. The quote of the day is from Elie Wiesel. He said, there may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest. And that protest may just be in a conversation saying, you know what, I see that differently. We have had many of our family members, colleagues, that if they only watch the mainstream media, all they know is this whole Trump hatred. And I can’t believe the number of people that I have have heard of. And I had a personal experience. Nice people, well-meaning people, but totally indoctrinated that say, I hate Donald Trump. And I first of all, I can’t believe that there’s any room in their hearts for hate. But that’s been fomented by the mainstream media, although I think all of that is changing. We talked about it earlier in this week that two of the hosts on I think it’s MSNBC read and rule are being asked to take pay cuts because their viewership is going down. So. Right after 2020, January 6, COVID, all that going on, we didn’t really understand what was happening. But the beauty of all of this is patriots have stood forward to search for truth and have continued to shed light on truth. George Washington said truth will prevail if there are pains taken to bring it forward. I’m paraphrasing. And that is what we’re doing. And it’s encouraging. So we’re in this big battle of ideas. Colorado’s at the tip of the spear. We’re all engaging in this. And I so appreciate each and every one of you on doing so. Now, I talk a lot about the USMC Memorial Foundation. And the Marines have so many different battles that they have fought throughout our wars and conflicts. And, of course, during World War II, the Pacific, taking those islands was so important. But Vietnam, we are having more and more guests that are writing books. We’re learning more and more about Vietnam. And it’s important because our Vietnam veterans were not really welcomed home. 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It is Friday. Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity. by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Before we get to Colonel Rutledge, who is our featured guest in hour number two, two things. One of our listeners was asking about the two lawsuits that we raise the money for that is in the legal system right now. Can they overturn the Any local Colorado elections? I don’t know the answer to that yet. We’ll see how this all plays out. Very good question. And then from Holly, she said, Elie Wiesel also wrote Man’s Search for Meaning, which is an important book for framing life differently when we’re going through a very difficult period. And thank you, Holly, for saying that. In our education system, we need to be reading these books and learning about this, teaching our kids how important it is about resiliency. We go through adversity, and we need to be able to go through that and be resilient. And so thank you for that as well. So excited, though, to have our modern day polymath, as Jenny says, Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force. And he is 96 years young and he just has this curiosity about people and life and and places. And we’re so honored that he shares so much of his knowledge with us. Colonel Rutledge, welcome.
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Good morning, Kim.
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And after we had had a discussion on the show, I think early December, regarding budgeting and the federal government, well, all governments, budgeting and this, if you don’t use it, you lose it, which has led to spending on things that make no sense. And we now are in significant debt as a nation. And you said, you know what, Kim, I was in that whole budgeting arena for many years, would be happy to talk about it. So, Colonel Rutledge, tell us a little bit about this.
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Well, first of all, I hadn’t had to do any budgeting until I got called into the Air Force. And at that time, I was 25, I was married, we had a child, and I was given a job, and The job had to do with monies that were appropriated by the federal government and some that were not. We had a board meeting with the general who was a commander, and I was representing my department. And he was talking about the general budget for the air base. And then he turned to me and asked me about the budget for my department. Well, no one had given me a budget, no one had briefed me on it, and I didn’t have a budget. And so he said, Lieutenant, at the next meeting you will have a budget, and you will bring it, and we will discuss what’s going to be happening in your department and what can be afforded. So this was really an introduction right out of the cold. And what’s so amazing is that I’d gone to graduate school because I needed more courses in business, and I took a broad curriculum, but I did not have a course in budget and finance. So I was not prepared, so I was starting right from the bottom. And that was my introduction, and I started learning from others. And one thing became apparent is that If you don’t have any money, you don’t have to worry about a budget, and that’s what it was like in my own life. But when I was given a responsibility for a lot of people, a lot of facilities that had to be operated, then I needed money to do it. And one of the big shocks came within the same month that I was told by the general to start doing a budget. I received a call, and I was told that we had about 30 days more in the fiscal year, which, as you know, doesn’t coincide with the calendar year. In those days, it would be 1st of September, and then it was in 1st of October and some other times. In other places, it’s 1 July, like it was at Colorado State University for many years. So they told me that, well, because we’re nearing the end of the budget year, we have to spend all of this money. And I said, well, why do I need to do that? And he said, well, if we don’t spend the money, then the government won’t give us as much money next year because they would say you didn’t need it. So within the next 30 days, I want you to, you meaning me, I want you to obligate several thousand dollars within your work department.” So I immediately had to go and make contact with the people that I supervised and find out what their needs might be so that I could spend the money even though we may or may not need something right now. And this is a technique that is it’s everywhere within the governmental structures, especially in the federal government. But I feel it is also true in most levels of government, federal, state, county, city, even in the school districts. And it’s crazy because if you did it in the business world, you could go broke fast because you have to have a plan. And it’s based upon the needs to support the program that you have decided to do or the business that you’re going to operate. And you have to know, first of all, how much money is coming in so that you can make an obligation by preparing your expense budget based upon your essential needs. I refer to this as a line item budget. It’s not like the federal budget. The federal budget isn’t crazy. They just do what they call continued resolutions in which they just continue what you had for last year and then often say, but well, we’ll give you 5% for inflation. Things like this are just bizarre because last year the budget may not have been good. The federal government is built too much on pork barrel. Pork barrel, of course, is where members of Congress, especially members of the House who are going to be reelected or maybe not within two years, whether they’re trying to provide some service or some construction or some project that’s going to enhance their district. And then they’re going to fall back and show and appeal to their voters to say, see what I did for you? It’s very important that you elect me again, and I will continue to meet your needs. Well, some of those needs are bizarre. And it’s just a continuation of poor management. That’s what it really comes down to. And it just, it varies from place to place. And I’ve worked in situations where I would do my budget for my department, and I could come in within 1% at the end of the fiscal year. On other occasions, I’ve had budget situations where I was forced to so-called get well because other people had spent way too much money, and then I was consulted and told, you have six months to get well. They were talking about financial aid. One situation when I was stationed in Japan, I came back to the States on leave, and while I was gone, only a month, I went back and I found out that the preceding month that many of the clubs, officers clubs, NCO clubs, other facilities like this, had lost $500,000 collectively that one month. And the reason they did it is because one of the generals had refused to recognize that we were losing the principal source of our income, which were slot machines. And someone had made a mandate in Congress that they were all to be taken out of everywhere in the Pacific, And this was during the war in Vietnam. And that money was essential to support the various clubs and to provide entertainment and help maintain the facilities and pay the salaries of the people there. But it was someone from Congress who’d gone out and visited in Vietnam, and he was a gambler, and he lost a lot of money. So he went back, and when he went to Congress, He said, the reason I lost all that money was all those machines and things and taking money from the soldiers. And this is not right. We must eliminate those gambling devices. So they did. And when they eliminated it, it just hurt everybody at the working level because that was a part of the budget process. It was the biggest single source of income. And when your income goes down, everything else is going to go down. You’re going to have to cut people. You’re going to cut programs. And one of the first things we had to do, we had to cut contracts for people who were coming from America to the war zone to entertain the troops. Those contracts sometimes were many thousands of dollars, but they had to be cut off just immediately. So there’s all sorts of correlation between your income and your expense. But basically the key is the objective should be that you prepare a budget and you have it approved before a fiscal year starts. Your budget should be balanced, which means it’s going to show your income and your expenses, and they’re going to be hopefully the same.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 16 :
indeed it is friday and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson monson.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well and thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it And the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team is a great sponsor of the show. And you may be able to save money if you bundle all of your insurance coverage together. You won’t know unless you make a complimentary appointment with the Roger Mangan Insurance Team. That number is 303-795-8855. Talking with our modern-day polymath, and that is Colonel Bill Rutledge. He is 96 years young, retired United States Air Force officer. Colonel Rutledge, this came in from Mark, one of our listeners, and he said this use it or lose it target for Doge, this Department of Government Efficiency of which Donald Trump has put Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy in charge of. What’s your thoughts about Doge?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I think, first of all, that they are going to do a great service. When they made a comment to the effect that they could save between $1 and $2 billion off of the coming fiscal year. I believe them absolutely, and they have several techniques. And one, which is going to happen in the Washington, D.C. area, is making people go back to work. And people, when they have to go back to their office, they’re going to find a drastic change from when we had shutdowns two years ago, almost three, and they were permitted to work at home. Well, we don’t know whether they’re working at home. We don’t know what they’re doing. Some will be when they’ll just refuse to go back. And therefore, that will be an obvious reduction in force. But there’s also the option of doing a reduction in force by changing the mission of their department and that is something that can be done and I think it will be. My experience was that I worked all around the world within the Air Force system but then I also worked at Colorado State University and I found that in a large organization there is some flexibility. It’s like this year for example when we had these terrible storms in the southeast, and especially the western part of North Carolina, the Homeland Security people had a big, massive, huge budget. But when it came to providing money for FEMA for the emergencies, they had diverted money that originally had been justified on the basis of FEMA’s service to the public, and diverted it to use, and to the tune of millions and millions of dollars for illegal aliens who would come across the border. So that’s a classic example of how not to divert your money within a large department. Now, at Colorado State University, I had an experience. It was very positive. We would do a budget, and when I prepared the budget for the athletic department, where I worked for seven, no, nine years, I always insisted upon doing a lion-eye budget, which means I had to know exactly what all the salaries are going to be, exactly where the income was coming from, from various athletic events, from contracts with different universities. And it had to work. It had to balance. Well, on some occasions, it was necessary to have what was called a reduction in force, which means you had to… reduce your expenses on salaries, which meant some positions had to be eliminated. Now, because of civil service, the person doesn’t necessarily lose an occupation. I mean, because of seniority, they could be transferred somewhere else. But one of the first things I did when I got there was, first of all, I found out there was no budget, and I reported on the first day of the fiscal year, 1 July. And I said, I’d like to see the budget for this coming year. And they said, well, we don’t have the budget. And I said, well, how do you obligate money? And they said, well, we just have an understanding. And I said, well, when do you finally come to the conclusion of what the budget is to be? And they said, well, usually in October. So that was an eye-opener to me. It was a new environment. It was completely different from the federal system now but it was still a large system. I learned very quickly, though, that there were some ways to get around things like that which had not been properly prepared, and that is by working with the vice president for finance for the university. Now, he had the prerogative of moving money from one department to another department based upon the monies that were needed or use that year. Now, for example, there might be some academic department at CSU that say had budgeted $5 million. And it turned out when we got close to the closeout at the end of June, the following year, um, they’d only use four, 4 million of these dollars and, uh, So consequently, there was a million dollars there that could be diverted and used other places around the campus. So there were a number of times when you would have a contract with someone and they didn’t come forward with it in a timely manner or there could be emergency things which arise. So you have to have some flexibility in there like a contingency fund should be built into your budget. So nevertheless, I would consult with the university budget manager and he would let me know if there were funds available that could be diverted if needed. Now, conversely, if we had gotten more money, let’s say if we had a contract with a university in football and they said, okay, we’re going to pay you 50% of the gate. Well, that might be that that was a lot more money coming in than we had anticipated. Therefore, we were in good position so that the manager for the university could divert some money from our department over to another department. So this is some of the flexibility that’s built in to some of the structures and budgeting. But In all cases, as far as I’m concerned, there must be line item budgets, which means you must justify every bit of the money you’re going to use. You talk about the expenses for salaries above all, the benefits, the travel costs, costs for expansion of their program or their funds. Everything that they feel is necessary must be presented. Then if you’re acting as a budget officer, you have to challenge that and be sure that it is essential to the operation of your program. And so it’s an ongoing thing. Budgets are plans that hardly ever work out exactly like you plan them. But you have to do the best you can to try to keep it in the black. which means you’ve got more money than you have expenses. But when you get into the red, the trouble gets bad because that means you’re short on money.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and this came in on the text line. When you mentioned Doge, actually, I think you said $2 billion, but they think they might be able to save $2 trillion, which would be significant.
SPEAKER 18 :
I wouldn’t doubt it. I wouldn’t doubt it at all. Well, there are several ways. One thing I think that they need to, first of all, look at eliminating some of the government departments and agencies. I think they also need to relocate. And by relocating out of the District of Columbia, they will have the opportunity to shape what they need as far as mission and by moving some of the departments closer. The best example that always comes to mind to me is is the Department of the Interior. Department of the Interior absolutely should be somewhere in the Mountain States because almost all of the territory, which we’re talking really about government lands, that are supervised by the Department of the Interior are in the Rocky Mountain area and out to the west coast. So the idea of getting out of Washington That action alone will eliminate a lot of positions. Plus, the good part is as it comes, let’s say if it came to Denver or Cheyenne or maybe Salt Lake City, it will bring with it an income source for a lot of job opportunities here because some of the people working back in Washington will quit because of family reasons or others because they don’t want to move. sometimes they can’t move. Or maybe there’s a husband and wife and they’re both working, so the department that moves out here may be where the husband works. Well, the wife has another good job in the D.C. area and says, we’re going to stay here. So that right away, you start by movement alone. You give yourself greater flexibility in your working force. And the workforce is usually one of your largest expenses. But for sure, relocating those would be good. Now, there are those who claim, oh, you can’t do that. You have to have them in proximity to the federal government in Washington. That’s not true. In my experience in the Air Force, the Department for Personnel, which handles all assignments, it is the master planner for where all the soldiers and sailors and airmen but especially the airmen in this case, go. It was in the Pentagon. It was too crowded. They moved it from the Pentagon to San Antonio, Texas, put it on a military base, Randolph Air Force Base, because they had ample space there. They moved that over 50 years ago. It works great. It’s super. And it moved thousands of of families, jobs, and positions out of the D.C. area to San Antonio area. And there are many opportunities to do that all over the country. Plus, too many of the departments have just deviated from what their basic mission is. And in so doing, they’ve perpetuated this problem and then they just keep growing and expanding. which is not necessary. So the idea of Elon looking at these things and making significant cuts, I think it’s marvelous. Okay. Especially from the business standpoint.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and yeah, because this is not sustainable. When we talk about sustainability, this is the spending is not sustainable. A couple of text messages and then we’ll wrap this up. Dave said that he was told to spend all of his remaining funds to use it or lose it next year on furniture and decor. That was when he was based in Sicily. and it says the air base was scheduled to close the following year. So really, buy all this furniture and decor, and they’re going to close the air base? That makes no sense. And then this is from another listener who said, excess money could be diverted to an emergency fund instead of being spent for… Fire in Colorado, for example. We should not be dependent on FEMA. So, again, great comments there. One of our listeners said that you are one of our modern-day polymaths, Colonel Rutledge, and I have to agree. How would you like to button this up?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, first of all, I fully support the whole concept of having Musk and his associates involved. being an outside agency. They’re not employees of the government. They’re people who have been highly successful in their own light. But they can take an independent view on where cuts can be made, where all sorts of adjustments can be done, where positions that are not needed can be reduced and eliminated. I think it’s the first good, sound budgetary action that I’ve heard in a long time.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, that is very exciting. Colonel Rutledge, thank you so much. And we’ve done some great interviews. And we’re going to rebroadcast on America’s Veterans Stories this Sunday, the interview that we did last year regarding the Battle of New Orleans. You said, Kim, this is so important. Let’s just let’s rebroadcast that. So that’s going to happen this Sunday. Gosh, now 3 to 4 p.m., I think.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, remember the coincidence of what’s been going on in New Orleans this past week and how it seems to be timely, at least for the name, identity of New Orleans.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. I so appreciate you sharing your experiences and all of your knowledge with us, Colonel Rutledge, and we will talk again soon. Thank you again. That’s Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force. Thank you.
SPEAKER 18 :
Thank you, Jane.
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SPEAKER 16 :
Indeed, it is Friday. Welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. And check out the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo, Colorado. They are doing amazing work honoring our Medal of Honor recipients and also putting together great educational programs for our kids, K through 12, with just great civics education and continuing to reclaim these principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. Check out their website. That is AmericanValueCenter.org. And tomorrow, Saturday, there will be a vacancy committee that will convene in Douglas County to fill the vacancy that was created when Senator Kevin Van Winkle vacated that seat because he is a new county commissioner. And one of the people that will be sitting for that vacancy committee is Priscilla Rahn. And we have her on the line. Priscilla, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. Happy New Year. Well, Happy New Year. And tomorrow, this vacancy committee will convene regarding Senate District 30 seats. So tell us a little bit about why you have decided to sit for this vacancy committee that will select the next senator for Senate District 30.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I love engaging in the community. I love Douglas County. I’m so activated because the more I talk to people, the more I have hope and want to be an agent of change in our state and move us back to red because we have so many folks who are feeling the pressure of taxes, not being able to afford groceries. They don’t feel safe in the communities. They’re seeing the influx of illegal immigrants coming in and taking over apartment complexes in Aurora. People just aren’t happy with the forces that have come upon us during COVID. Folks are not happy with the changes in our Constitution most recently, the abortion codification in our Constitution. There are just so many things that people are not happy about in our states. And I’ve watched the numbers decline. We all have. We’ve watched our numbers down at the House and the Senate decline. And we need to be able to start doing things differently. So we are at a pivotal point right now. We have our preferred president, President Trump, who’s going to be sworn in shortly. I’m so hopeful that this is an opportunity for all of us to learn from the things that he did, what he said, how he campaigned, and start making those same types of changes in Colorado.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and I think, Priscilla, Colorado is at the tip of the spear of so many things that are going on. And so it is important that we work to hold the line and that we need to start to reclaim ground in this battle of ideas that is occurring in our country and particularly here in Colorado, Priscilla.
SPEAKER 17 :
I agree 100%. You know, it’s going to take more than just going down to the Capitol with this sentiment of, well, we’re in the minority because, you know, with 12 votes, you can’t get anything passed. You need 18 votes to get something passed through the floor. So that requires someone to go down there and get at least six Democrats to vote for your bill. And that takes a lot of persuasion. So we need someone with fresh energy, someone who wants to be down at the Capitol, who’ll go down there and filibuster at the well till midnight, one o’clock in the morning, if necessary. But not only that, help fundraise for the caucus and support other Republican candidates to get elected and be out in the community and increase the groundswell. Because we’ve seen what happens when we have citizens initiatives take place and we get signatures on ballots. We start to get things done. I think that’s a critical combination of what we need going forward.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and what about repealing? In fact, I think I’ve heard that there may be some bills to repeal some things. I don’t know that we need any new laws in Colorado. If you were going to repeal something, what would be one of the first things that you’d start with?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I think you need to go look through – there’s an audit committee and sit down and see what are some of the draconian laws because you’re 100 percent right. We don’t need 700 new bills. I don’t think as a Republican that’s an impressive campaign strategy. I’m going to go down and pass more laws. But we can look at some things that are outdated in the rules that are costing money because – The Democrats keep saying, we don’t have any money. Well, first of all, it’s not their money. It’s our money. But there’s plenty of money. They’ve just decided already how they’re going to use it. And so if I’m going to present a new bill idea with a fiscal note, that’s going to be really, really challenging. So my goal is to go down there and work with the caucus to see what types of bills we can impact and eliminate from the books. I’m excited to do that sort of research. And then also be prepared for any type of educational changes that could be coming our way when President Trump is successful in eliminating the Federal Department of Education. There are three teachers in the Senate who are Democrat. We don’t have any teachers in the Republican Senate. And I think we have an opportunity here to have a voice in the education space.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I think education is so important. We’ve got a couple of minutes left. And that is your profession, Priscilla Rahn. And we’ve talked a lot about what’s happening in our education system. Kids are not being able to read and write and do arithmetic. And I think a lot of people don’t know that. So will that be one of your focuses?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, specifically one of my focuses is to have a better assessment system to know where our students are in Colorado because we’re not competitive globally or nationally for that matter. And so if we’re going to really, truly prepare kids for college and career, then we need to know where they are. And the current assessment system isn’t doing a great job of just giving us that basic information. In addition, I want to make sure parents know what’s going on with their kids at school. I want to make it easier for charters to have their applications approved. There’s just a lot of bureaucracy right now in that process. And just give power back to parents and make sure that kids have choice.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. And so this is occurring tomorrow, right? Saturday the 4th. What time and where?
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s credentialing starts at noon, the meeting starts at 1, and it’s at South Ridge Rec Center in Highlands Ranch.
SPEAKER 16 :
And the public is welcome to attend?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I think visitors and guests can be there.
SPEAKER 16 :
And media needs to get credentialing, though. Okay. Well, Priscilla, Ron, thank you so much for joining us. I wish you all kinds of luck tomorrow. Thank you so much, Kim. Have a great day. Okay, you too. And our quote for the end of the show, I went to Elie Wiesel, and he said this, the opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it’s indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it’s indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it’s indifference. And Holly had said that his book, Man’s Search for Meaning, was about his time in the concentration camps during the Holocaust. So we can take great heart from his wisdom. So, my friends, today be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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