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In this episode, host Kim Munson welcomes Alan Thomas for a conversation about the lessons modern politics can learn from historical figures like George Washington. Through engaging discourse, listeners are provoked to think critically about current events and the importance of holding institutions accountable. Special guest Yvonne Paez also joins to shed light on local issues within Fort Collins, Colorado, demonstrating the power of grassroots conversations in fostering community change.
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I don’t think that we should be passing legislation that is so complicated that people kind of throw up their hands and say, I can’t understand that.
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Today’s current opinions and ideas.
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And it’s not fair just because you’re a big business that you get a break on this and the little guy doesn’t.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured. You’re valued. You have purpose today. Strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history, and we are placed in Colorado for a specific reason. And thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Friday, Producer Joe. Happy Friday, Kim. And it’s a great Friday because you know why? Because Alan Thomas is in the studio. Alan Thomas, author at The Kim Munson Show. It’s great to have you here.
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It’s great to be here, Kim.
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And a great, great host of the show as well. Thank you.
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Oh, well, that’s always exciting. It’s a whole lot different when you’re sitting in your chair, isn’t it?
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You know, it is. So a couple of weeks ago, Brad Beck came in. At last minute, I was asked to go down to Channel 7. This was right before the election. So the Friday before the election to make comments regarding the affordable housing sales tax increase. and the point is when you raise taxes it makes life less affordable that was the point that we’ve made from the Colorado Union of Taxpayers and so I got in for the second hour and I was sitting as the guest it feels different doesn’t it
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It does. A whole lot of pressure and responsibility, too. You don’t have to keep track of when to go to break and all that fun stuff.
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The clock management is somewhat interesting, but I so appreciate you. And we’ve got something very exciting that’s going to happen right after the first of the year. So we’re going to keep that. We’ve had that out there as a cliffhanger, but it’s really going to happen now. Yeah, and it’s going to be super exciting. It’s going to be really great. So again, thank you to all of you. I so appreciate each and every one of you. And thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show as well. We are an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And it’s not compassionate to take other people’s rights, property, freedom, livelihood, opportunities, or lives. And force can be a weapon. policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the World Economic Forum’s agenda, the globalist elite’s agenda, the United Nations, the Colorado State Legislature, this Colorado governor, the World Health Organization, land use codes, zoning regulations. And we’re going to add in, and we’re going to talk with Yvonne Paez here in just a little bit, and that would be forced fees. And, of course, a fee is really a tax, but they call it a fee in Colorado so that they can institute it without having to ask you and me, we the people. We focus on the issues and the people that are pushing those issues, but we try to stay out of the 8th grade girl personalities. I didn’t really enjoy 8th grade very much, and so I don’t want to do that now either, Alan.
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Yeah, it wasn’t my favorite time period either. But, you know, it’s one of those you have to hold people responsible. So it’s difficult not to, but it’s calling out actions, not people, right? It’s saying, here’s what you did and why it was wrong. And that’s a lot different than just saying you’re a terrible person.
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Exactly. And that’s why we want to stay focused on that. Let’s get in here. Let’s see the word of the day. And this is from one of our listeners. And now I can’t, I didn’t put down which listener it was, but it’s Caterwall. And it’s C-A-T-E-R-W-A-U-L. It’s an intransitive verb, and it could be, number one, to cry or screech like a cat in heat. Number two, to make a shrill, discordant sound. Or number three, to have a noisy argument. And I think I’m really referencing number two regarding… Alan, have you seen some of these videos of people’s reaction from the left regarding Donald Trump’s election? It certainly is. They are. It’s caterwaul for sure. And I’m a little shocked and I’m not really taking a lot of delight in it. I look at this. I saw a young person just screeching and screaming. I thought, oh my gosh, this is dangerous, what’s happening with this reaction. What do you think?
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Well, we saw it four years ago too, right? The thing that was encouraging to me is we saw it a lot less this time around. It really seems like a lot more people are kind of just shrugging their shoulders going, eh, was it my favorite pick, but… At least, you know, maybe next year I can afford groceries again. So, I mean, we saw it when he first got elected to his first term. We’re seeing it a little bit now, but there’s always going to be that kind of hysteria when when politics dictates all of your life. Right. And when you’ve been convinced. that the president will end democracy as we know it. So the nice thing is we know in four years Trump is going to step down because that’s what he did the first time around. And we don’t have much to fear about tyranny from Donald Trump because he’s already lived out his first administration.
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And I really I feel badly for these people that are just melting down regarding this election. And I first of all, I didn’t stay up and watch any of it because I just I just couldn’t. I felt it would be too stressful and all the different reports coming in. And so I woke up the next morning and I took my phone and I’m like, oh, well. I wonder what happened. And my neighbor had, because, you know, we get up early. I wanted to talk about the election results. And my neighbor had texted me. I’m like, oh, my gosh, I can’t believe that he won. But one of the things I was really concerned about, Alan, was freedom of speech. What we do here on the show is… and really seeking truth and clarity on these issues. And then also I had seen that, you know, I was concerned about what they might do, the Biden administration, the O’Biden-Harris administration regarding the Internet, because I remember when I was the Obama administration, I was on city council, and I saw through the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission, Commission, that they were going to try to, in the name of, gosh, what was it that they called it? I’m drawing a blank on that, but that they were going to try to control the internet. And we need a free, fair internet so that we can all talk about things. We may not like what other people say all the time, but it’s important that we be able to say it.
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Well, and you saw that a lot. I mean, Elon Musk took a pretty big gamble backing Trump the way he did because there was a lot of pundits calling for all of his federal contracts to get canceled if Trump were to lose. And how sad is that? I mean, we now see, you know, a lot of these indictments against Trump dropping off. It’s very clear that all of this is politically motivated. I mean, we I mean, goodness, even FEMA is specifically avoiding helping Trump houses that have Trump signs in the front. I mean, it’s so obvious that they are politically motivated and that they will use the tools of government to suppress anyone’s political thought that we really need to do a good job in these next four years to really highlight the differences of what a progressive government under Biden, Obama and Harris looks like. versus what our vision for America is. And that’s saying, hey, we don’t care who you vote for or what you look like. If you’re being helped by FEMA, you’re going to be helped by FEMA. And we don’t care about targeting our political rivals.
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Well, and yes, the veil has totally come off on what was happening with that. These appointees that he’s appointing to his cabinet, it’s a super interesting group, and I’m really excited about some of them and very concerned about another one. And last night I was watching some of the news shows, and apparently he’s going to – designate Doug Brigham from North Dakota as the Department of Interior’s secretary. And the research I’ve done on Brigham, I’m not excited about that one. I’m excited about a lot of them, but I’m a little concerned about that one.
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Yeah. And I know he he ran as well. So I wasn’t excited about him as a candidate either. It’ll be interesting to see how how Trump uses these. And this is kind of one of the last points in my article was to surround yourself with people that maybe. you disagree with and that will disagree with each other and be able to use that debate and discussion. But Trump definitely needs to be the guiding influence in that to implement his policy. So the good news is, is he’s doing it a lot different than he did in his first administration, where it seemed like the deep state kind of staffed his first administration. And so he’s I think he spent a significant amount of time firing and weeding out those people that wanted to to actively circumnavigate his administration within the deep state. And so it’s nice to see that he learned his lesson from the first go-round and is going to start day one running with his own guys. He’s not messing around at all. He’s certainly not.
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So let’s get into our quote of the day, and we’ll be talking about your piece, What Lessons Trump Could Learn from George Washington. But as you know, it’s Friday, and so we’re pulling a quote from the Medal of Honor quote book from the Center for American Values. And be sure and check out the website for the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo, Colorado. And that website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. That’s AmericanValuesCenter.org. And this is Medal of Honor recipient Howard V. Lee. And Lieutenant Colonel Howard Vincent Lee was born in 1933, died in 2019. He was a Marine Corps officer who received the Medal of Honor for heroism for the actions he took in August of 1966 during the Vietnam War. And this is it. This is his Medal of Honor citation. It says, A platoon of Major, then Captain Lee’s company, while on an operation deep in enemy territory, was attacked and surrounded by a large Vietnamese force. Realizing that the unit had suffered numerous casualties, depriving it of effective leadership, and fully aware that the platoon was even then under heavy attack by the enemy, Major Lee took seven men and proceeded by helicopter to reinforce the beleaguered platoon. I just have to comment here. Can you imagine as they’re getting organized? He goes, okay, I need seven of you. And Alan, I just can’t believe it. But continuing on, Major Lee disembarked from the helicopter with two of his men and braving withering enemy fire, led them into the perimeter where he fearlessly moved from position to position, directing and encouraging the overtaxed troops. The enemy then launched a massive attack with the full might of their forces. Think about that, my friends. Although painfully wounded by fragments from an enemy grenade in several areas of his body, including his eye, Major Lee continued and undauntedly throughout the night directed the valiant defense, coordinating supporting fire, and apprising higher headquarters of the plight of the platoon. The next morning, he collapsed from his wounds and was forced to relinquish his command. However, the small band of Marines had held their position, love those Marines, you know it, and repeatedly fought off many vicious enemy attacks for a grueling six hours until their evacuation was effected the following morning. Major Lee’s actions saved his men from capture, minimized the loss of lives, and dealt the enemy a severe defeat. His indomitable fighting spirit, superb leadership, and great personal valor in the face of tremendous odds reflect great credit upon himself and are in keeping with the highest tradition of the Marine Corps and the U.S. Naval Service. Don’t you just take this? It’s like, okay, we can engage in this battle of ideas, right?
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Yeah, that’s certainly a lot easier than what he had to do.
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It is Friday. Welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured and valued. And I’m just so thrilled to get to work with all of you. It’s just amazing. In studio with me is Alan Thomas. He is author at the Kim Munson Show. And we’ll be talking about your piece with things that Trump can learn from George Washington, right?
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Yeah, a little trip down memory lane, I suppose.
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Okay. Well, a tumultuous time back 1775 and kind of tumultuous here as well.
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There’s certainly some parallels, and we’re definitely in need of a re-founding of our American founding.
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Yeah, I think we are in the third founding of our country, and it’s an exciting time.
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We’re certainly at a crossroads between choosing full-out progressivism and Marxism and re-establishing where we actually should be pointed towards, and that’s the principles set out by the Declaration of Independence.
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And so I’m excited to talk about that. Before we get to that, Yvonne Paez is on the line. She is the co-founder of Perspectives 101. And she also was a guest host of the show. Yvonne Paez, welcome. Thank you. Good morning, Kim and Alan. Thanks for having me. Well, absolutely. And did you have fun hosting the show? The first the first time, you know, the first time down a ski slope or the first time is always the most difficult. But, of course, you are a you’re an Army veteran and being prepared is like your middle name.
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Yeah, but you know that time management thing on how to get to those commercials and everything, that is a skill.
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Take some training. Well, thank you, and I appreciate it. So you’re a co-founder of Perspectives 101, and you had a meeting last night, which was huge. And do you want to share just a little bit about that? And then you’re going to have another meeting on Monday because there’s – and I’ve heard from a number of listeners about this issue up in Fort Collins, but how was the meeting last night?
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The meeting last night was excellent. And, yes, we had a doctor that came and spoke about what the transgender surgeries are really like and what it involves and whether they’re recommendable for use at the pediatric level and all of that or not. And it was really, really interesting. Okay. It was good.
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Okay, great. Well, let’s talk about what’s happening on Monday because I have had a number of listeners that have reached out and said, take a look at this trash thing that’s happening up in Fort Collins. And I love the email you sent out. It says, let’s talk trash. So let’s do, Yvonne.
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Yeah, so Perspectives 101 is going to be hosting a meeting. And I just wanted to remind people about this upcoming meeting to discuss the Fort Collins trash issues. And it’ll take place this Monday, November 18th, at the Fort Collins Downtown Library at 5.30 p.m. And basically, for those who do not know what’s going on with the Fort Collins trash situation, what’s happening is that everyone in the city of Fort Collins is being forced to pay for trash services, whether they want them or not. So folks that did not have, do not want, do not need, did not ask for, and do not receive trash services have to pay anyway. And folks who have trash services with a company other than the city’s chosen provider must pay their own provider plus pay the city’s chosen provider. And there is a narrow path to seek an exemption, but residents have to jump through a series of hoops that eventually place you on trash probation is what I call it. Anyway, this is wrong on so many levels. And there’s a lot of folks who want to voice their concerns. on this issue to the city employees who are managing this trash issue. So again, for those that didn’t write it down the first time, the public meeting that Perspectives 101 is providing to give the people of Fort Collins a place to ask the questions and address their concerns about the new city trash charges will be held this Monday, November 18th at 5.30 p.m. at the Fort Collins Downtown Library. And we did contact the city representatives and the department that handles this trash issue, and they were invited. But, you know, they all have busy schedules, so we’ll see who shows up. The people in the department that handle the trash, I do have a pretty firm commitment from two of them that will show up. So that’s nice.
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So set this up for us. How did this come about? And I think a lot of people didn’t actually even realize it, right?
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Yeah, I don’t think a lot of people didn’t didn’t realize it. And I’m really going to leave it to the people at the at the meeting from the city to explain how all this came about. Because I don’t know if it was put on the ballot or not or but, you know, or, you know, I will that stuff that will come out. But but the way we kind of found out is, you know. One day we just got a surprise bill for a trash service that we don’t have and we didn’t have and didn’t want and didn’t ask for. And there you are. And you had to start making phone calls and say, what’s happening? And calling the trash provider and the trash provider says, oh, no, that’s not us. Call the city. That was their deal. And so you’re just going around in circles and having to jump through hoops and do, you know. Yeah. So there’s a lot of frustrated people that are confused and don’t know what to do. So I thought. What better than to call a meeting so that they can explain what, I guess, they’ve done and listen to the people that have been affected and help them through this process and answer some questions, I guess. And the bottom line is that people should not be forced to pay for services they don’t get, want, need, or have not asked for. You think? Yesterday you had, oh, God, what is his name, the banker guy. He is so, so good. Oh, Jay Davidson. Yes, Jay Davidson. And, you know, as Americans, we believe in the free and voluntary exchange of goods and services, not government force and coercion. And nobody should have to pay for not receiving a good or service, you know?
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So, Yvonne, I’m going to put on my tin hat now, okay? And first of all, this is an example. Fort Collins choosing a private company that they’re going to contract with trash services and force everybody into using that that particular trash service or you’re going to be dinged with a fee this is an example of a public-private partnership and what is wrong with that now I know that sometimes they couch this with well it would be good to just have one trash service so that the trash cans are only out in the neighborhood or one day a week so that the neighborhood looks nicer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But this is an example of a public-private partnership and ultimately what can happen with that, Yvonne.
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Right. And, I mean, the least of the evils, you know, is still that they don’t have a choice or something like that. But, you know, in their website it says you can still choose another provider, blah, blah, blah. Well, there’s only one. There used to be two, and one pulled up stakes and said, you know, I’m out of here. So, really, there’s now only just two, the chosen provider group. And another one. And sure, you can go with them, but you can go with them and pay the city, too. And that’s a little that’s it feels a little weird, feels a little like what’s going on in Aurora, you know, where some thugs come up to in a building and say, you know, pay me rent. And they’re like, wait, wait, no, I already pay my my rent to the landlord. And I said, then they say, that’s the landlord. You got to pay me, too. I mean, this is at a visceral level. You know, there’s something that just feels, you know, there’s just not right here.
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Okay, so again, now I’m going to put on my double tin hat, okay? And that is ultimately what I could see then could happen is that then the city would dictate just how much trash you could have and that they will ding you if you have more trash than what will be their allotted level. And they might even go through your trash to make sure that you are putting recyclables in recyclable and not mixing things up. And you could get dinged for that. And ultimately, then that starts to come again. So let’s say that a family. And I think this could be anti-family. So one person, you have this certain allotment for trash, one person could hit that. But let’s say that you have a family, three children, all the things that are going on with having a bigger family, you’re going to get dinged for trash service. I actually… I know that that could happen. When I was in Normandy, and we ended up cleaning up after we had dinner or whatever, and I’m very industrious, so I was cleaning up and taking care and putting things out and taking care of the trash, and somebody came up and said, Kim, you’ve got to make sure that you don’t get any of the recyclables in the wrong trash can, because if you do… they could get dinged for that. So this isn’t really double-ten hat stuff. I saw it happen in Europe.
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Well, and it’s not. I mean, I don’t know about the second part of it, but the first part of it where you say how much trash you can put out and all that, I mean, that is part of the stated goals, as I read in the website and stuff like that. This is a overtime, you know, reduction in trash to make people produce less trash. I don’t know, something like that. I can’t, you know, I’m not reading it off the website, but that is Trash reduction or something is one of the stated goals.
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mm-hmm okay so you’re gonna see even more force I think on this so what’s so you’re gonna have this informational meeting on Monday 530 at the Fort Collins downtown library and ultimately and again they’ve already chased out one of the competitors I think a sign of rebellion would be to make sure that you use the competitive and the competitive trash service there in Fort Collins and then get rid of this mandatory fee
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Yeah, you know, a little freedom and a little not being charged for things we don’t get that we didn’t want and didn’t ask for would be nice.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Well, keep us informed. Anything else you want people to know? And, again, if people want to get more information about Perspectives 101, how do they do that?
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They can go to perspectives101.info at gmail.com. And, really, this meeting came about because I heard a lot of public outcry about on a radio one day and people were just so frustrated and didn’t know where to turn or what to do. So I thought I would pull this together so that people could, you know, through perspective, so people could ask the questions they need, and try and get some city representatives there to help them through this process so that they can listen to how the people have been affected.
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And it sounds like a couple of the staff’s coming, but I love the fact that you’ve invited the city council and the mayor, and that’s where we really need to put the pressure on. So thank you for doing that again, Yvonne.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And I just want to say, you know, I am sure, I mean, in my heart and in my soul, I want to believe that That, you know, this wasn’t just to mess with the people or something that they have. They had what they thought was a good idea and they have good intentions. But, you know, we all know that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So we really need to look beyond just the idea and see how it’s going to impact people, too. And they should listen to the impact.
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Good for you, Yvonne Piaz. Good for you for stepping up. And again, Yvonne Piaz, co-founder of Perspectives 101. I thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye. And the show comes to you because of these great sponsors. And one of those is Lavaca Meat Company. Lavaca Meat Company is located at the corner of Main and Nevada in Old Littleton. I cannot believe that Christmas is right around the corner. And a beautiful gift for your family. or employees or friends would be to have a beautiful Lavaca Meat Company gift box delivered to them. So more information, be sure and check out Lavaca Meat Company. And again, they are, it’s a very tasty steakhouse experience at home.
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It is Friday. Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And, of course, I had… I’ve done the quote from the Medal of Honor quote book from the Center for American Values, and the story of our Marines is so important. And that’s why the work that Paula Sarles, who’s the president of the USMC Memorial Foundation, and her team, the amazing work that they’re doing regarding raising the money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial is so important. And a great gift for Christmas or Hanukkah is a brick that will be on one of their pathways of service to honor your loved one’s military service, and you’ll receive a beautiful certificate. And there is a match going on in November as well. You buy a brick, and they have a donor who will match that as well. So more information, go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. In studio with me is Alan Thomas, a great author here at the Kim Munson Show. And, of course, we’ve had the election. Donald Trump has been elected. And you’ve got this great piece that we’ll publish this weekend, What Trump Should Learn from George Washington. So where do you want to start?
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Well, I think first, let’s maybe stroll down memory lane and set the stage a little bit about where Washington was at early on in our founding, because he’s so integral to everything that we’ve done as a country. Obviously, the first president, he presided over the Continental Congress. But it’s kind of important to take a step back to realize where he was before that even happened and you know he was this incredible war hero right that everybody knew he had just won a war with against improbable odds against this army that this empire that spread across the whole world and somehow he led this ragtag group of men to defeat the British and A lot of our founders were very well-read in history. And one of the members of the Roman republics that Washington self-styled himself as was Cincinnatus. And what Cincinnatus was, was a general who, again, stepped up when the people needed him. But unlike Caesar, once he had done his duty, once he had achieved the military status, feats that he needed to, he actually stepped down and just became a farmer and retired from the public life forever because he feared becoming a Caesar. So Washington, after the war, was really at the peak of his political power. And he said, no, I’m going to step away from all this. I don’t want to be accused of being a monarch. I don’t want to be accused of using my power for nefarious gain. I’m just going to retire. I would like to retire. He told everybody very publicly that he wanted to. But in the back of his mind and what a lot of Hamilton and Madison and other advisors of him were showing him is they were pointing out, hey, these articles of confederation that we have are completely useless. And Washington had very firsthand experience of this when he was asking for money to even pay his officers and even pay the army just to stay. He was continually begging, we need more money. We can’t do this for free. And none of the states would send the money. And he knew firsthand that this Articles of Confederation was not going to work. And that maybe what he did might have almost been in vain. You know, if these Articles of Confederation lead to the breaking up of the colonies, he saw either the colonies becoming like a mini Europe where all the states are fighting each other, or he saw a lot of these European powers, Britain, Spain, and France, just coming in and sweeping up what’s left over. So he’s in this self-styled retirement when finally all of his advisors say, listen, we have a plan. We’re going to completely revise the Articles of Confederation. We’re going to get rid of them entirely. But we really, really need you to show up to this convention when what we called it afterwards the Constitutional Convention.
SPEAKER 13 :
So question, during that time, so after the Revolutionary War and the Articles of Confederation, how long was that time frame? And so there was no time. federal leadership, right, under the Articles of Confederation?
SPEAKER 09 :
There was a Congress, but it was very, very limited. You know, each state had a specific amount of votes. So there wasn’t a popularly elected government like we see now. And a lot of times what happened was you had to have a quorum of which was nine out of 13 votes. And it was just very restrictive on what they were even able to do. And a lot of the states, when they sent out requests for money, the states saw it as exactly that. They saw it as a request, not a, you have to, not a directive. It was a request and most states did not pay. And so the sad thing is, is we made a lot of promises to our military at the time, the Revolutionary Army, that we never cashed in. we said hey you’re going to have a certain amount of pay for the rest of your life and then after the war we just never did that so the war it’s your it’s your first question the war ended in 1783 and of course our constitution wasn’t signed until 1787 right okay so there were there was a period there where this incredibly ineffective government uh was was doing nothing and A lot of Washington’s advisors said, hey, look, if you don’t show up, this whole constitutional convention is not going to go anywhere because we know that you are the political power in the colonies. Your political weight will give this whole meeting the gravity that it needs to actually change what we need to do. And that’s one of the points that I make in the article is that. Washington used the height of his political power and his fame to legitimize a good and proper cause of government. And in fact, establish the government that we have now. And that’s one of the things that Trump needs to do as well. He’s clearly been given a mandate by the people. I mean, he won the popular vote. He’s at the height of his popularity and his political power. And he campaigned on slashing the size and scope of government. what he’s going to run into is it’s going to be very unpopular to slash the government as much as he needs to slash it. If his legacy is going to survive another four or eight years, because as soon as the pendulum swings and we see another Biden in office, we can, we see how fast he’s able to undo what a Republican president can do. I mean, we saw how fast Biden just cleared out all of Trump’s slashing and all of what Trump did in his first administration. That was good. And so Trump is really going to have to cash in that that popularity chip to really slash the government in ways that would probably be unpopular among even people on the right. I mean, if you’re talking about slashing the Department of Education like he’s hinted at doing, that’s going to be very unpopular, even for people that are more in the middle or middle left of even his base. And so. He needs to realize, though, that using that popularity for good and proper purposes is a good way to use that popularity and that fame. And realizing that there’s more at stake than just short-term popularity, that there is a legacy here, that it’s the reason why we remember Washington is because Washington publicly announced his retirement and then stepped out of that retirement to help usher in a period of liberty.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s my understanding is Washington, after being the general, the Revolutionary War, he just wanted to go home. He just wanted to go to Mount Vernon and just be a farmer. And so it’s really remarkable. And I actually kind of understand, no comparison, but… uh you know this last election cycle between the colorado 2024 election project and we’re getting ready for step three so stay tuned it’s going to be pretty exciting and then the voters guide i just kind of wanted to step back but we can’t we have to to step forward and you know that’s why i take such heart from these stories of of the at the center for american values is we have um We have a responsibility as Americans. This liberty thing, it runs through our veins. And we have to step forward and continue to do that. And so I take great heart from the story of George Washington.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely. And so not only was it. Was he convinced that, hey, if I show up, things are going to change? But ultimately, the reason why he came out of retirement was he saw a need to establish a new government for posterity. He had this this hyper focus. And a lot of our founders really did this focus on not just what’s politically expedient now. But what is that going to look like for our kids and our grandkids? And that’s really the main one of the main points I want to make as well is you have to have this focus on posterity and what you’re actually leaving your children and your grandchildren and. and 40, 50, 100 years out. Otherwise, you’re going to sacrifice for the short term what you could be gaining in the long term. And a lot of times that’s not very popular. I mean, there were calls that Washington wanted a monarchy from the time he stepped out of retirement until he finally stepped away after his second term. There were people very publicly saying, All Washington wants to be is the new American monarch. And he had to wither a lot of those because obviously, you know, as we discussed, that’s the last thing he wanted his legacy to be, was to be compared to a monarch. But it took withering those years until he actually stepped down and withering that unpopularity for people to actually see, okay, no, I see what you were doing, Mr. Washington, and good on you.
SPEAKER 13 :
What a journey. Can you imagine the journey from where the painting of him, you know, as the general kneeling by his horse, praying for this country? And he didn’t just end up George Washington, who stepped down after his second presidency. What a journey the man went through.
SPEAKER 09 :
He’s an incredible person, and we could learn a lot from people like him.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m so excited about that. Alan Thomas, I love it when you’re in studio and I love you. And we’ll go to break. But I read a quote one time about George Washington and said those Washingtons, they were all born old and they meant it in a good way because, you know, wisdom and being very learned. And you’re a young guy, but you remind me of a Washington in a way. You were I think you have this wisdom of someone much older. And I so appreciate you sharing that with all of us.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, thanks for allowing me to come in.
SPEAKER 13 :
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It is Friday. Welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Talked with Yvonne Paez regarding the forced trash service up in their forced trash fee in Fort Collins. But I had an experience when I was on city council regarding PBIs, politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties wanting to dictate which businesses could be in business and which couldn’t. This was before COVID where we had government determine what was essential and what wasn’t. I could see that that was a real problem. But that’s how I got to know Hooters restaurants. And be sure and check out my website for that story. They have five locations, though. Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, Colorado Springs. The girls were over on Wednesday night. And by the time I got to the table, the Hooters wings were gone, unfortunately. Alan Thomas, I’ve got a little story for you, and it always goes so quickly when you’re here, but I used to go back to New York on a regular basis because I was in the ladies’ clothing business. I’d go back four times a year for the introduction of each of the seasons. And I was down staying in the Wall Street area and was walking from where I was staying over to, I guess it was going to be the subway, and I walked. kept walking by this building, and there was a statue out front, and I thought, I wonder what that is. Well, it was Federal Hall. I didn’t realize that. And it is a memorial and historic site at 26 Wall Street in the Financial District in Manhattan. And it I went in and that was where George Washington, I think, gave his first inaugural address. And there’s all these historical books. And so I was over my limit with my luggage on the way back because I had purchased all of these amazing books. But I hadn’t realized I was walking by history every day and I didn’t know it.
SPEAKER 09 :
It really is incredible how much. Well, and it’s so funny, too, because when you travel to Europe, you you. sit on a park bench that’s like 500 years old, right? But it’s incredible what good our country has done in just the short amount of time that we’ve been a country. And it’s shaped by individuals like Washington and Hamilton and Jefferson and Madison and all these incredible people. And like you said, we walk in the shadow of their great thoughts and actions.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and you mentioned also posterity. And I talked about this earlier in the week as well. The pastor at the sermon this last Sunday talked about, he said he didn’t think that it was, you know, progressivism or any of these things that were really our, or Christian nationalism or any of these things that were our challenge. He said our challenge is the secularism that we are only focused on the here and the now versus today. you know, what’s been behind us and what’s in front of us. And you mentioned posterity. And I think so many people say, I don’t have kids. I don’t have grandkids. What does it matter? I’m going to just enjoy life and, you know, la-di-da. But truly great societies and truly great people think about, what am I going to leave? And Washington did not have any biological children. And so it is so amazing to me that he always had this focus on the future for the next generations.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and it’s, yeah, it’s so interesting, too. And it’s a very human emotion, right? It’s very human to get wrapped up in your life in the now. I mean, we were just talking beforehand how we can’t believe it’s almost Christmas, right? Like, it’s very easy to have the days run past you and to… to put off things that you should have been doing I mean I know I have a honeydew list that I’ve certainly put off at times and then it’s it’s three months later and I’m like oh my goodness how did I put that off so you know some of it isn’t necessarily nefarious it’s just a very human condition but we have to have that focus on posterity otherwise we’re going to keep punting issues like we’ve done for years and years and years and you know One of the things I point out in this article is we’ve punted the issue of our country’s debt time and time again. Administration after administration doesn’t want to address it. We’ve punted the issue of entitlements, you know, specifically Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid. And now they’re they’re bludgeoning up to something that’s unavoidable. We’ve punted on immigration. You know, large wholesale immigration reform, not only just, you know, stopping the border and securing the border like that’s great, but that’s only one part of a multifaceted issue that our politicians have just been too scared and too weak and too cowardly to touch time and time again.
SPEAKER 13 :
Partly it’s because we as a people, though, they’re afraid they won’t get reelected if if they really address these problems. So we have to help them do that.
SPEAKER 09 :
And Trump has the unique position where his mandate was made pretty clear by we the people in America that we want him and we want his vision. And he got a Congress now that got elected primarily because of him. And so he has great power now to look at those issues and look at the legacy he can leave after four years. And he needs to address those issues now. And again, it wraps into all of it. That’s not going to be popular. You know, making a lot of these choices may not necessarily be popular, but it is necessary because it will be a great failing of his administration if in four years the FBI, the CIA, the Justice Department are pretty much intact the way they are and able to persecute people for their political opinions. It’s going to be a failure if our country’s debt is not addressed. If we still are spending in deficit, we’re still going to be in trouble. We’re still going to be in trouble if he’s not able to tackle Social Security, because at this point, if he can’t, who will? And we know what happens when somebody progressive such as Biden and Obama and Harris get in charge is we’re going to see all these issues just get way worse. And so he has a mandate from the people. He needs to cash in those chips and really take an example from Washington of saying, you know what, this may not be the popular choice in four years. It may not even be the popular choice in eight years. But maybe in 100, 237 years, people can still be talking about what I did because I was willing and brave enough to take on these issues.
SPEAKER 13 :
And it’s not only him, though, but we have to dig deep ourselves and address this as well. Alan Thomas, it always goes way too quickly. What’s your final thought you’d like to leave with our listeners?
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, we’re in a pretty, pretty amazing time. I mean, it was like you said, when you were checking your phone for the election, I was in a pretty similar spot. I was able to stay up late and watch it. And it was pretty monumental because we know what the country could look like if the progressives got their way. And again, we need to just continue to highlight, hey, this is the country. This is the direction that progressives want to head us towards. And it’s not a good direction. And we won this victory, but it’s a victory. It’s not necessarily winning the war. And this war is going to take a continual effort. It’s going to take continually reeducating our citizens and driving home that we need to live virtuous lives. And we need to drive that virtue home.
SPEAKER 13 :
Alan Thomas, I’m so excited to publish your piece this weekend. So be sure and be signed up for that at the Kim Munson website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. It’s always a treat to have you.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s always great being here, Kim.
SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
It is always good to be here. It’s a beautiful sunrise this morning on the drive-in.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, the moon was so cool. Dunning, yeah. Yeah, it was very cool. So as you know, we broadcast 6 to 8 a.m. live Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. The second hour is rebroadcast 10 to 11 at night. Then we do have summaries of the show on the website. Just click on the image and you’ll get the whole summary with the podcast in there. And then also once that happens, Those podcasts of the show can be listened to on iTunes or Spotify. Our word of the day is caterwaul. It’s spelled C-A-T-E-R-W-A-U-L. And you probably can easily use this in a sentence. The first definition is to cry or screech like a cat in heat. The second is to make a shrill or discordant sound. And there’s a lot of that going around right now with the election of Donald Trump by those on the progressive left. and number three to have a noisy argument and kurt gerwitz a lot of these um hollywood stars said that they were uh i i would say it was caterwall uh statements that they um were going to move if donald trump was elected but i don’t i think maybe one is moved but nobody else that i know of what do you think
SPEAKER 03 :
Reminds me of the libertarian effort to if they got enough signatures, then it would it would trigger and they were all going to move to New Hampshire and make it a. Oh, that’s right. Yeah. And they did an interesting assumption there. You have to assume how many people have signed this but won’t actually do it.
SPEAKER 13 :
I forgot about that movement. Yes. And some people did move to New Hampshire to make that happen.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is considered one of the more libertarian states, I believe, still.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think so. We’re in Colorado, and we have work to do here. But let me get to our quote of the day. And this is from the Medal of Honor quote book from the Center for American Values. And we’re talking about great gift ideas. And this is a great – and I’ve never been a real stocking stuffer person. I think you can get a lot of money into knickknacks – what is it? Tchotchkes. Yeah, all that kind of stuff. So I’ve never done much of that. But I would say a great Christmas gift would be the Medal of Honor quote book. from the Center for American Values. And so you can order that, get on that right now by going to AmericanValuesCenter.org. But on Fridays, we share a quote from that book from one of our Medal of Honor recipients. And this is from Howard V. Lee. I gave his citation of what he did, of which he was awarded the Medal of Honor in the first hour. But this is what he said. He was born in 1933. He died in 2019. And he said this. He said, you know what? Did I even give that in the first hour, Producer Joe? I think I might have gotten into the citation and not even given his quote. I’m not sure that I did. I don’t think you did. I don’t think I did either. Okay, so this is it. He says, So I’ll say it twice. As your moral values define you as a person, and are the bedrock upon which an honorable and meaningful life is built. I love that, Kurt Gerwitz.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you know, I think you have, I don’t know if you say it out loud, but you should be honored for your work ethic. I watch you. You work hard. And when you say it’s time to go to work, we’ve got work here to do in Colorado. It’s inspiring. So you’ve got some values or morals in there that should be shared by more people.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think Jim May can understand this. I’ve always said that I’m from western Kansas. I’m from people, farmers, where we work as a hobby, right? So Jim May, I think you can relate to that. Jim May is with Lavaca Meat Company. He’s a cattleman. And Jim, I think you can relate to that, too, because you grew up not very far from where I grew up, farming and ranching people who I dearly love. So Jim May, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, good morning, Kim. Yeah, I did. I’m just on the other side of the state line from where you grew up. And I, too, I would second that that he just said about your work ethic is right there where a good country girl ought to be. And I, too, have watched you work really hard at what you’re doing, and we appreciate everything you do, Kim.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, it is, like I say, I come from western Kansas, from farmers who we work as a hobby. But before we get into, you’ve got a great poem that you wrote regarding the election. And last week we were having all this snow. And you got a lot of snow out there on the eastern plains, yes?
SPEAKER 12 :
Boy, we really did. And up there in our ranch country around Kiowa, some people are saying it was like three feet of snow and really wet and cold. And good for the country and good for our grass and our crops. Pretty hard on cattle in confinement and stuff. But we work through it. And it’s part of the game. And we’re blessed to have a snow like that this early in the year.
SPEAKER 13 :
We really are. And hey, Jim, I wanted to ask you a question. My grandfather, I don’t think I ever told you this, but he had a little grocery store and he was a butcher. And I remember them having the meat locker where they would age the beef. And I hadn’t realized until recently how important that proper aging is because at Lavaca Meat Company, you guys are really experts on that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, that’s very true. Was that the Price Right meat market there in Goodland? I remember that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Actually, no, it was in St. Francis, Kansas.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, okay. And it was called… Well, anyway, aging of beef is extremely important in terms of when you’re really getting into perfection with beef. And, you know, the difference, as we’ve talked before, the difference between steakhouse and that quality of meat, it’s usually always aged up to, you know, we age everything. We have 21 days. And we just found out over time that that makes a big difference, like aging wine or anything like that. But that’s one of the things. And then just all the other little things that make up to a prime or a high-choice carcass, you know, proper feeding and all those kinds of things. So, you know, we feel like we are the steakhouse experience at home, and we’re getting into the holidays now. And I know I’ve just been talking with Jerry. He’s putting a one-sheet together. So, you know, we try not to get too far in front of Thanksgiving, but on the other hand, a lot of people are having prime rib for Thanksgiving in my world, so that’s okay. And then we have a little turkey as a garnish sometimes. But anyway, yeah, we’re getting ready for Christmas where we do a bulk of our business. We’ve got a couple of things to say about Lavaca meat. The gift packages are beautiful. There have been times that we’ve taken them. you know ourselves take them out to the country to folks that are that are given to their uh maybe their workforce or something like that they’re really nice white bags and gold lettering uh but jerry can jerry’s going to uh he’s a perfectionist at that kind of stuff the marketing and handling of that and just come by sometime or go online lavacameat.com and and he’ll get the messages and and we’ll work with you guys any way we can on the holidays and we also are are offering now a product for dogs, I guess pet food. I shouldn’t say just dogs, but it’s a very high-quality, you know, it’s basically hamburger and then organ meat like liver and heart and really, really good for dogs. So in this time of the year when you’ve got a hunting dog maybe or like my ranch manager out there, Mark Anderson, shout out to him, but he’s got those border collies and they’re working hard. Maybe give them a little treat for Christmas too.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, that’s great. And La Focami Company is located at the corner of Maine and Nevada in Littleton. But I would say prepare. If you want to do prime rib or something for Thanksgiving, you should probably reach out to Jerry over there and get that ordered as well, I would suggest, right? Right on.
SPEAKER 12 :
Jerry, Harley, and Steve are kind of the team there. Harley and Steve in the store all the time, and Jerry comes and goes, but… Yeah, we’ll hook you up with what you need.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. So, Jim May, after the election, you are a cowboy poet as well, and you have written something for the country, yes?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, I have. Aren’t we all kind of walking on air right now? I enjoyed your first hour. I was listening a lot to Alan, and it’s funny. I was also watching Fox. I was watching Fox News in the morning a little bit, too, and Sylvester Stallone was actually introducing – our future president, our past president, and talking about the cabinet and all the parallels between George Washington and Donald Trump. And so this is really a turning point in our lives. We’ve got to get this right. We’re going to be – I love the team he’s putting together for the most part. I think it’s – but there’s going to be a lot of arrows coming, too, because there’s a lot of entrenched people in there that are in this bureaucracy. And I think that’s the thing that needs to be fixed. So – Anyway, just my opinion. But I do have a poem here. If you’re ready.
SPEAKER 13 :
We’re ready.
SPEAKER 12 :
Let the computer call it what it was when I started to write it. This is called A Few Days Ago. And basically just my thoughts about the change here. A few days ago, the country elected a new leader. Following are the thoughts of a simple cattle feeder. I would like to congratulate our new president today. and wish him well as he goes forth to lead the USA. We have a lot of work to do to make our nation better. Whether you are red or blue, we all live here together. I still believe we live in the greatest place on Earth, and it’s only been 250 years since our nation’s birth. We will celebrate that birth within the next four years. Let’s be strong, brave, and humble, and bury all our fears. We the people need to work to be the best that we can be. Let’s put our hate away and work to keep our nation free. I hope we’ve learned a thing or two over the past decade. We do need to put our country first, especially in trade. We need to lead the world again in producing energy, manufacture for ourselves, not importing across the sea. We need to protect our borders and guard the golden door. Open that door the right way, as we’ve always done before. We can’t just let the drugs come in, the trafficking and crime. We invite the people who respect us to stand the test of time. Finally, I would like to say the woke ideas need to go. Boys be boys and girls be girls. We’ve had enough, you know. He’s got a lot of things to fix. Let’s not reinvent the wheel. It’s hard enough to do things right. That’s just the way I feel.
SPEAKER 13 :
Jim May, I can’t believe that you can pull that stuff together. That is so awesome. Thank you so much. And we’ll talk to you next week.
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Hey, happy Friday, everybody. Everybody have a great weekend. Good to be with you, Kim, and we will see you next week.
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SPEAKER 13 :
It is Friday and welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it and show comes to you because of sponsors and i want to say thank you to the harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show as well and that susan harris they moved to arizona and uh i thought and she she and i have great conversations and so i had her on for as one of our featured guests on election day and i thought i need to have her on More regularly. So we are going to do that. And I so thank the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. Kurt Gerwitz is in studio. Professor Kurt Gerwitz, welcome.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thanks. Thanks for having me. So this is exciting times for Bitcoin. This is what I studied up for our agenda today.
SPEAKER 13 :
So Bitcoin, I actually bought— Congratulations. Not Bitcoin. I bought one of the competitors, which I’m not sure if that’s even worth anything anymore.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you know what it was?
SPEAKER 13 :
Algorand?
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ll have to look it up.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, if the fact that you haven’t heard of it, I think that’s a problem.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think that’s a problem. There’s 10,000—we have a word for it— that I don’t know if I can say on the air.
SPEAKER 13 :
Be careful.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, I’ll say altcoins. Okay. The alternative word on that is, instead of the word alt, we use the word for cow manure. Okay, got it. And so there’s 10,000 cryptocurrencies out there in the world. And the world does not need 10,000 cryptocurrencies. And so a lot of those are pump and dump scams, meaning like, hey, this is going to go to the moon, and we’re going to take a rocket. Yeah, I heard that. Yeah, there’s some phrases that come out of one of my favorite corners of the internet to get some entertainment is the subreddit for WallStreetBets. I’m going to play a hipster and tell you I was on there before it was cool. It got really cool when GameStop had its adventure. Oh, that’s right. I forgot about that. But that community has like they’re they’re very self effacing. It’s very they’re very comical. It’s humor. They know that they they’re basically breaking some, you know, this is hipsters you’re talking about. No, I’m talking about Wall Street bets. It’s a subreddit called Wall Street bets. And it’s. full of degenerates and they they they know it and and uh so it’s like a safe space they’ve drawn a circle where they can uh step inside that circle and and and and it’s a space for not having any uh filters yeah no filters no financial ethics uh in in speech only at least and and they’ll post pictures of their their yolos meaning you only live once yo is an acronym for yolo and they like they’ll say yolo like they put their whole life savings into some financial instrument it’s The antithesis of what you and I as investment professionals have been taught about how to be prudent. But it’s a space for that. So you know what you’re getting. And it’s full of nonsense is what I’m trying to say. But they have had a cultural influence in the vocabulary. Like YOLO is one of them. And to the moon. And the rocket emoji. And just this exuberant.
SPEAKER 13 :
Is it young people primarily?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, that’s a good question. You probably don’t know, huh? I think they’re smart people because of that level of humor, the level of satire that they’ve achieved. It makes me think that they’re too smart to be young. But it’s also technology. It’s on the Internet. So, you know, I had a moment I was thinking, like, what’s… what’s my complaint about America? And I think it’s, you know, the average age of America is like 38 years old or something like that. I was like, well, that’s it, because that’s younger than me now. And so now I’m an old fogey now.
SPEAKER 13 :
You’re an old guy, huh?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
How old are you?
SPEAKER 03 :
None of your darn business. A lady never tells. No, I’m 46 years old.
SPEAKER 13 :
Don’t ask me, because I’m not telling. Good for you. Okay. So we wanted to talk about Bitcoin. And You, El Salvador, and you’ve gone to Central America on a regular basis. I think you have a soft spot in your heart for El Salvador. You were there recently. And a couple of things. I think it was in El Salvador where the new leader had really, you know, come down really hard on the gangs, which might have been civil rights issues. That might bump up against civil rights issues here in America, but yet it was effective. But then also they said that Bitcoin was going to be, what, legal tender there as well? Is there another currency? How’s all that working?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, so, well, you brought up my love for Latin America, which is, it is true. I don’t know where it came from. I started studying Spanish in fourth grade. Yeah. It might have been my discontent with my family life. Growing up in St. Louis, Missouri, and no offense to Denver and some of these flyover country places that were these cities that the people in New York or in Los Angeles, they don’t really seem to know that we’re here. But I was amazed to see that there are other cultures outside of just the one small little local yokel thing that I was seeing there. And so I majored in Spanish. I lived in Mexico City in undergrad. And then, yes, one of my best friends is from Honduras. Honduras has a tremendous connection to New Orleans, Louisiana. Because you lived there as well. Yeah, well, I lived there for 20 years. I say I’m from there, but yes, that’s right. And so I have a fraternity brother who’s in El Salvador, so I have a free place to stay, and that’s how I like to travel. And so my wife and I, we had a vacation here with her in-laws, and I said… I said, well, I’ll show you a vacation because I need a beach. I need hot weather. I need Spanish speaking. And apparently I can put all that together with financial innovation. There’s nothing more exciting to me. So El Salvador, the current president, his name is Nayib Bukele. Or Bukele maybe in an English accent. He did exactly what you said. He cleaned up the country. His Twitter tag, I learned this, his like the little bio, the description on his Twitter used to say the coolest dictator on the planet. Coolest.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, boy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which is not cool. So he’s since changed it. I forget what it is now. It’s way more palatable now. But he did what you said. He put 40,000 gang members or people. He put 40,000 men into prisons by sustaining… What’s the word I’m looking for? He skipped over the human rights to have a fair trial. So he sustained habeas, suspended habeas corpus. Suspended habeas corpus. Easy for me to say.
SPEAKER 13 :
Interesting. But it was effective.
SPEAKER 03 :
So effective towards what, right? So effective towards cleaning up crime, yes. Effective towards him becoming popular, yes. One of my concerns there is that it’s a cult of personality. So we’re talking about a country with like 6.6 million people. Colorado has like 5.8, I think. Yeah. And so it’s almost comparable in size. And I met the vice president here, Felix, came up to Denver to see the diaspora. You know, their biggest export used to be people. And that’s another thing that they’re bragging on. Now, I don’t trust these numbers because they’re numbers out of a dictatorship and perhaps what some might call a banana republic. But they say that a lot less people, in fact, significantly less people are coming from El Salvador to our southern border because they’ve cleaned up El Salvador. And so I don’t know if they have property rights. I had a funny moment because I get to the beach there and I’m like, I want to invest. You know, like, you know how it is when you go to the beach. That’s why they have those those timeshares there. I don’t want to say that they’re scams, but a lot of them are difficult. They’re not financially good investments, but people buy them because they’re on vacation. You want to be there. You want to live there. That’s how I was. And I asked my friend, I said, I want to buy property here in El Salvador because of what’s this enthusiasm we’ve got with. I said, but I have questions about the property rights. And he says, what’s that?
SPEAKER 13 :
So that’s where you thought, maybe that’s not where I’m going to invest, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, so I don’t know yet about investing. A lot of Americans will invest in Costa Rica is really good at preserving nature. And Guatemala is really good at preserving culture. They have like 17 or more. And they’re paying attention to those languages that might disappear off planet Earth. And that’s really good for Guatemala and Costa Rica. But El Salvador doesn’t have a coast to the Caribbean. It’s only Pacific coast. And they’re so much smaller. And it’s kind of a monoculture. They really kind of are just who they are. They’re the mestizo, you know, half Spanish, half indigenous culture. But they’ve got this exciting thing going on with this dictator who wanted to be interesting. I think he just wanted to wear his hat on backwards and go to Miami and talk about Bitcoin, which he does. And he’s very popular. How old is he? Oh, he’s young. He’s like 30, I’m going to say 38. He’s the average age of an American. No, he’s, yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Well, let’s continue to talk about this Bitcoin thing and wear his hat backwards. I hadn’t really thought about that either. Yeah, that is something younger people do. I don’t see a lot of older people doing that. And Kurt Gerwitz is in studio with me. And these are such fascinating discussions. And they come to you because of our sponsors. And one of those is Karen Levine for Everything Residential Real Estate.
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SPEAKER 13 :
It’s Friday. Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And in studio with me is Professor Kurt Gerwitz, and he has a real heart for Latin America and recently was in El Salvador. And the – is he called the president?
SPEAKER 03 :
President, yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. Bukele?
SPEAKER 03 :
Bukele.
SPEAKER 13 :
Bukele. And one of our listeners said that he’s handsome as well. So I had to take a look. And he’s 43 years old. And – As I’m looking this up, I remember now seeing the stories regarding these prisons in El Salvador and these tattoos that these gang members have all over their body. That’s pretty significant.
SPEAKER 03 :
Before I left on my trip, I put it into the Google. Actually, I went to Reddit, and there’s an El Salvador community on Reddit as well. And I said, you know, I was looking at other people asking, like, what do I need to know before I go? How do I stay safe in Latin America? You know, some of these places outside the United States. And this is the conclusion of one of my speeches on Bitcoin in El Salvador, is it’s good to live in the United States. Let’s not take for granted that we don’t have kidnapping as an industry here. Yet. Yet. In Colorado. That we know of. Yeah. So I was like, how do I stay safe in El Salvador? Well, one answer was, you know, be careful with the Pacific Ocean. And I have a story in my life of some of the three, the closest I’ve ever been to death is one is driving in Latin America. And the other one is the Pacific Ocean. I got caught in a riptide. And being from the Midwest, I had no idea what that was. But they so they said, beware the Pacific Ocean is you got to swim parallel to that. I just saved somebody’s life in your audience here. You got to swim parallel to the to the beach to get out of the riptide. The other one is for El Salvador is cover your tats. And I was like, what is that? And so the police, which are the military, because you’ve got a small country, so the police and the military are the same thing. That’s often a problem in countries. Yeah, there’s another reason to be grateful that our cops are not military men. in America. We need police beat who know the people instead of know how to murder or kill other people in an act of war. We need both, but they’re separate. Anyway, so they’re the same in El Salvador, and they’re looking for tats. If you have tattoos… you’re at risk. Now, a lot of people said that’s not actually a problem. They are trained. They know what a gang tattoo looks like. Or if you have one on your neck or your face, you’re more likely to have a problem. Or if you have the wrong tattoo, you can go to jail for having the wrong tattoo in El Salvador is my impression. Now, I would always say that the reason I don’t have tattoos is because I would never put a bumper sticker on a Lamborghini. So there’s that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. So with this, Bukele, a couple of things. First of all, what he’s done regarding putting these gang members into prison has been somewhat effective regarding the crime statistics there. But let’s talk about Bitcoin because – Bitcoin is still a real deal. And people that invested in Bitcoin, it’s pretty erratic, though, as far as its pricing, yes?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. So we use the word volatile, right? And it’s a measure of risk. In finance, one of the main things I want to teach my students is the risk relationship. reward matrix, just the chart that as risk goes up, because humans are risk averse, we want a higher reward with the least amount of risk. Well, one of the ways we measure risk is simply that volatility that you just described. If an asset goes up 10%, that’s the benchmark, then you have a Bitcoin, compared to that, it might go up the exact same 10%, but if it moved around up and down on the way there, then that’s considered more risky. So it’s a lesser asset for that reason. So yeah, I used to tell my students – the reason this is so interesting to me, my students covered a company that’s headquartered here, a publicly traded company called Riot Blockchain. Right. And they did one thing at that time. I think they’ve diversified a little bit, but they do one thing. They mine Bitcoin. And they told us that every other… What do you mean mine Bitcoin? So mining is the computer. You take a computer… You plug it into the Internet and you run software. And it’s not proprietary software. It’s software that – it’s open source, so everybody knows what it is. But this software goes to the Internet and it solves what I like to call stupid problems. But they’re complex. It has to guess numbers. And so it does this – And this is where the use of electricity comes into the conversation with Bitcoin, because that’s what we’re doing is we’re mining the Bitcoin. And it does a few things. While it’s doing that, it is also checking the… It’s checking the ledger. So when I explain Bitcoin to people, I say like, let’s just say you and I go to lunch regularly as we have at Hooters. And but instead of like, you know, settling in cash, we just keep it down on a piece of paper. We say like how much and then we’ll settle at the end. So this is what this is. You know, accounting 101 is like what is a ledger? It’s just a list of transactions that you can settle at the end if you want. Or you don’t need to because you can just keep a ledger forever, really. And so Bitcoin is a ledger. It is a distributed ledger. It’s on any one of these computers that volunteers to do this. So there’s tens of thousands of them over on planet Earth doing this. And that’s why we think it’s so secure. And so the Bitcoin dream is that… is that this could compete as currency with anything, like the U.S. dollar or the euro or the Chinese yuan are the big ones, the British pound, the Japanese yen. Everything I just named takes 80% of the currencies in the world. There’s 200 countries in the world. 80 of them have currencies that are tradable. That means half the countries in the world are what Donald Trump gave a name to that sounded a lot like altcoin. Mm-hmm. And so Bitcoin is, you know, it is technology. It consumes electricity to use. But it’s maintained by these systems, these miners that spend electricity. And they get rewarded by, it used to be that they get rewarded by just that you would write into the ledger that they got some Bitcoin. Thank you for doing this work. You’re written into the ledger. And now they make more of their money off of the fees, the transaction fees. Like there’s no way to move money without a transaction fee. And Bitcoin is no exception to that. So we could really go down a rabbit hole.
SPEAKER 13 :
So who makes that money? Well, a couple of things. So Bukele said that Bitcoin would be legal tender in El Salvador. But is the dollar, is there still other legal tender as well?
SPEAKER 03 :
they had come off of their own currency in 2001. And so they dollarized. That’s the language. So if you’re a country of just 6 million people, do you need a central bank? Central banks are expensive. In the United States, we spend hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to have a central bank, which ours is called the Fed. It’s a non-government entity, and that’s a whole other conversation. But in other countries… You have to ask, we’re the empire of the world, and so our central bank is incredibly important to planet Earth and to our influence around planet Earth. But if you’re El Salvador, in 2001, you’re like, nah, I don’t need my own central bank. It’s easier if I just let the Americans handle that. And we’re just going to use the dollar. So the U.S. dollar is the currency in El Salvador. And then in June of 2021, Bukele said it’s also going to be Bitcoin. Okay. And adoption has been terrible. No one in El Salvador was using Bitcoin. And they’re not now. Yeah. i’m contradicted by i went to a bitcoin meetup while i was there and i and and the people there i had i met people there there’s enthusiasts right you know these there’s these i love these little groups of people out in the world with their little cultures and their priorities and these people the guy was like i’m living off of bitcoin like i’ve met two or three people who are like i haven’t touched a dollar in you know in 20 years or not in 20 in in decade i don’t know how long in a long period of time and one of them said i got so upset the other day i had to open a bank account
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. So there was a lot of fervor, though, with Bukele saying that it would be legal tender. But it’s not really working out then.
SPEAKER 03 :
Adoption is – so Bitcoin wants to be a currency. And so this is – sometimes it’s hard for us to think about things that are so fundamental. Like what is a currency? And it’s three things. A currency is a – It’s a storage of value. So like gold is a storage of value. You put money into it, you put dollars into it, you can get dollars out of it later. And hopefully that grows. But it’s also a medium of exchange. Like if you and I want to exchange, if we want to do a transaction, value for value, we do that with a currency. And then the third one is maybe a little esoteric, but it’s a unit of account. So it’s like when we keep that ledger, we just name the silly thing, whatever we want to name it. We’ve named ours dollars. The British are calling theirs. Their currency is sterling. And the unit is pound. In America, the currency is dollar and the unit is dollar. So, again, it’s hard to split your brain into thinking about new things. But, yeah, so Bitcoin and the dollar are used in El Salvador. And Bitcoin adoption, it requires having a wallet on your phone, like a digital wallet. And so we would say that Bitcoin is not good as a storage of value, number one, because it’s so volatile. Okay. Number two, it’s not good as a medium of exchange because it’s hard to interact in it. My students and I, we tried to buy a beer with Bitcoin. That was our mission.
SPEAKER 13 :
That was my question. How would that work out?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, the best way to explain it is it would look a lot like Venmo.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
That you’re logged into your app on your phone and you press the button and the money moves and everything’s hunky-dory. And that’s where it’s going. And if it gets there, then it could be a good medium of exchange. They’re only going to make 21 million Bitcoin on planet Earth. And we’re like 90-something percent of the way there already. And so it’s a scarce resource, and it can’t – the whole argument here is that it can’t be printed. They’re not going to just make more Bitcoin. And therefore, the argument is – That’s a great question. So they is a piece of paper, a white paper written by an anonymous person named, it’s a pseudonym, Satoshi Nakamoto. And we have a list of like four or six people we think it could be. It might be a group of them. But it would be like if you and your friends sat down. Instead of the U.S. Constitution having John Hancock’s name real big on it, instead of that, no one signed it. Or they signed it like they make up a name. Like Mark Twain was not Samuel Clemens’ real name. But we do know who Mark Twain is, but we don’t know who Satoshi Nakamoto is. Isn’t that crazy? Crazy. That’s kind of the part of the mystique, though, I think. And it was written in 2008 during the financial crisis. And so that’s part of the story, too. I love the narrative on it. I really do. But there’s no… This is what Riot Blockchain taught us. There’s no business model, meaning there’s no one person who’s going to benefit from this and controls it. It’s just… Open source code. Everybody understands how it works. Everybody understands how hard it is to hack because it’s distributed. Now, I have a slide in my presentation that says, you know, Enron was too public to be hacked. You know, the LIBOR, the London International… The interest rate is too big. It’s too important to be hacked. Or the foreign exchange markets themselves are trillions of dollars a day. It’s way too big. It can’t possibly be hacked. And all three of those have Wikipedia pages for their scandals and their hacks. So if you tell me something’s unhackable… Maybe you’re lacking imagination, I think. Really, it’s the highest, one of the best forms of cryptography protecting this thing. So people think that what’s backing the U.S. dollar is the full faith of the U.S. government. And your audience and yourself might be ones to question that. What’s backing Bitcoin is math and the Internet.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Okay. So we’re going to go to break, but I love this. One of our listeners said, what’s this guy talking about Bitcoin? I’m so lost of what he’s talking about. It’s unbelievable. So see if you can wrap that up before we go to break. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, so Bitcoin is an alternative currency, and it’s completely digital. It’s not able to be controlled by government. All currencies on planet Earth are controlled by government. So what is Bitcoin? It’s an alternative. You can buy stuff digitally. With Bitcoin, you can use Bitcoin the same way you use the euro or dollars. But it’s an app on your phone, basically. Yeah. Well, it exists in the world. It exists in cyberspace. And you access it through an app on your phone. Yes. It’s just like having an app on your phone. But it goes up in value. People can invest in it. If you had bought before Trump was elected, you’d have a 30% gain, 37% gain in the past month. It’s gone up because he’s pro-Bitcoin.
SPEAKER 13 :
Trump is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. That’s the whole story. Oh, I’m sorry. I thought we knew.
SPEAKER 13 :
OK. I did not realize that as well. Because he’s changed his mind.
SPEAKER 03 :
Remember that time I came on and asked you about changing your mind? Donald Trump has changed his mind as any reasonable person would in the face of evidence.
SPEAKER 13 :
OK.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s changed his mind and now he loves Bitcoin. He also has Elon Musk standing right there telling him. this could be the future.
SPEAKER 13 :
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It is Friday. Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation’s website. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And can help with your shopping list for Christmas and Hanukkah by buying a brick to honor your loved one’s military service. And that will be on one of their pathways of service as they get the remodel done. And you will receive a beautiful certificate. So, again, that website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. This is from Eric. And he said this. He said, El Salvador is a third world country. These are all third world countries. And they are somewhat cleaned up because they sent their bad guys here. And it’s because Biden and Harris let them in. And I think that’s true. We’ve heard of the cleaning out of prisons and letting them come across the southern border. What’s your thoughts about that, Kurt?
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I mean, if you were a country like England in the 16, 17, 1800s, and you had prisons and you had people you didn’t want in your society, what do you do? You ship them to the state of Georgia in the United States. Yeah, and mostly famous. There’s an argument that that’s one of the reasons we have more ADHD in the United States than in England is because we took… Not only they’re criminals, but also they’re adventurers, the people who left to come to America for economic opportunity. It’s hard to blame any individual who wants to come here because this is a great place to live. I mean, that’s how we know that America still tops is that people want to move here, want to live here for the opportunity.
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Well, I never heard that about – I don’t think they even had ADHD back then.
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Oh, no. It’s like 1990-something that that stuff comes about.
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Yeah, exactly. Okay, next thing. Matt Gaetz. Well, I should ask you, have you been watching all these different pics that Trump is announcing regarding his cabinet? And overall, I’m really thrilled with many of them. There’s a few that I’m like, eh, but what are you thinking about all that?
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I really have not been watching. I am very curious about Elon Musk himself. That man is a fascinating character. You know what he wanted to call his Department of Government Efficiency? D-O-G-E. That’s the name of one of these altcoins, similar to your Algorand, although… And it’s called Dogecoin. Doge is a mispronunciation, misspelling on the word dog. It is a farce. It was a joke of a cryptocurrency. Somebody invented it as a like, let’s just be silly in the world. And they made Dogecoin and then it became very popular.
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So isn’t Doge, wasn’t that also, though, like in Venice? Wasn’t it the Doges that they were like the ruling class, I thought, as well?
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I don’t think that’s related. It might be. You know, the symbol of the Dogecoin is this very popular breed of dog. I’m forgetting the something. Shizen Ibu, perhaps. And it was very popular on the Internet to have pictures of this very cute breed of dog. Interesting. OK. And so who doesn’t love a cute breed of dog, right? You want to give them that that Lavaca meat dog food they’ve got. Yeah. Yeah.
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Okay, I just looked this up. The Doge of Venice was the highest role of authority within the Republic of Venice, which, gosh, from 697 to 1797. Wow. The word doge derives from the Latin dux, meaning leader, originally referring to any military leader. So interesting. Very interesting. I can’t believe I actually taught Kurt Gerwitz something.
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Well, you know how this goes. The more you learn, the more you realize you’ve got to learn. I have so much to learn.
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Okay, I’m going to share this, and I’m not sure if I should, but both you and… producer Joe got a chuckle out of this. This is from one of our listeners regarding how much work we have to do. It says, you are so right, Kim. We cannot step aside. We have work to do. I’m going to throw this out to you. We need a solid and great conservative constitutionalist to run for governor in the great state of Colorado. Will you please consider running for governor? I’ve said that to you before. I know, but no. This is where I’m supposed to be, is doing this. And so, no. The answer is no.
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Well, you know, as a salesman, the answer no just means not now.
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That’s true. That’s true. So, Kurt Gerwitz, we have a minute left. How would you like to wrap this up? It’s always fun to have you in studio.
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It surprised me that Trump changed his mind on Bitcoin. And it surprised me to see all six new senators that we have in this country are pro-Bitcoin or pro-cryptocurrency. Most of the new members of Congress are pro-crypto and pro-Bitcoin. He’s going to fix this regulatory confusion. And people are very excited about, like, wow, this might be one of the biggest changes in the world.
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Okay. This is going to be super interesting. And I’m not quite sure what pro-Bitcoin means, but it’s like, stay tuned. But we cannot look to Washington, D.C., Trump as our savior. Okay. We we we need to make sure that we keep keep our our focus on smaller government, bigger individual freedom, a sanctity of the individual. You know, all these this vision of our founding that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. We need to engage on the local, county, state and national level. So it’s an exciting time to be alive, Kurt Gerwitz. And it’s like fasten our seatbelt. It’s always great to have you here. Thanks for having me. And our quote for the end of the show is from Martin Luther King Jr., and he said, The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. So, my friends, today be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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Through the mountains climbing, twisting, turning further from my home. Young like a new moon rising, fierce through the rain and lightning, wandering out into this great unknown. And I don’t want no one to cry. But tell them if I don’t survive, I was born.
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