Join Kim Munson as she delves into the pressing issues of our time, from the socialization of essential sectors to the stark contrasts between freedom and force. This episode invites listeners to reflect on the power dynamics at play in government policies, how they affect our daily lives, and the critical need for independent voices in media.
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It’s the Kim Munson Show, analyzing the most important stories.
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The socialization of transportation, education, energy, housing, and water. What it means is that government controls it through rules and regulations.
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The latest in politics and world affairs.
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Under this guise of bipartisanship and nonpartisanship, it’s actually tapping down the truth.
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Today’s current opinions and ideas.
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On an equal field in the battle of ideas, mistruths and misconceptions is getting us into a world of hurt.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation and welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Monday, Producer Joe. Happy Monday, Kim. How was your break? It was great. It was nice to get some respite and get a lot done. How about you, Joe?
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I felt the same way. I rested a lot.
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And that’s great because we’ve got a lot of work to do as we’re looking forward into 2025. We will be pre-recording for Wednesday, which is New Year’s Day, with Susan Harris, who she and her family are great sponsors of the show. And we’ll talk about looking forward into 2025, both personally and for our country. And then Trent Luce will also be pre-recording with him as well. So I cannot believe, Joe, that 2025 is… is here and it seems like the the last year just went so quickly this is the fastest year i’ve ever had And you’re young. They shouldn’t be going by so quick. I think it’s because each day it is just these great conversations with so many experts. I’m learning a lot. I know you’re learning a lot. We hope that we are bringing this to you, the listener, that you’re learning a lot as well. And we really do appreciate each and every one of you. So check out the website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You’ll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays that comes out on Sundays. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com. as well. The text line is 720-605-0647. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. It’s never compassionate to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunities, or lives be a force. And force can be a weapon, but it’s policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the World Economic Forum agenda, along with all the globalist elites, the United Nations, the Colorado State Legislature, the Colorado governor, the World Health Organization, land use code, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, and the list goes on and on. And… We’ve got to get this turned back around. These are all forced kinds of things. And remember, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. On the show, we focus on the issues, not the personalities. We will talk about the people pushing those particular issues, but we want to stay focused on that and not get in the eighth-grade girl fighting that we can see happen in politics on a regular basis. The show comes to you 6 to 8 p.m. Monday through Friday a.m. And the first hour is rebroadcast one to two in the afternoon. Second hour is broadcast 10 to 11 at night. And that’s on all KLZ 560 platforms, which is KLZ 560 a.m. KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app, and then also podcasts of the shows can be heard on the streaming services as well. Our word of the day is earnest, and it is spelled E-A-R-N-E-S-T, and it should be easy to use this in a sentence today. So number one, it’s a noun. It could be a serious and intent mental state. So the example is a proposal made in earnest. number two a considerable or impressive degree or amount it says the example is the sap started running in earnest number three it could be something of value given by a buyer to a seller to bind a bargain so earnest money say in a real estate deal or it could be a token or a pledge so your challenge is to use earnest in a sentence today that’s e-a-r-n-e-s-t and our quote of the day is from John F. Kennedy. And I chose this because we’ll be talking with Dan Meyer as our featured guest in this hour. And his book is Upside Down, How We Can Avoid Becoming the United States of China. And so JFK was born in 1917. He died in 1963. He was assassinated. He was the youngest person ever elected president, and he served at the height of the Cold War. And he was a Democrat, and he represented Massachusetts in both houses of the United States Congress prior to his presidency. And he said this, he said, the cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender or submission. Okay, next thing, this day in history. 1809, wearing masks at balls were forbidden in Boston. I don’t know how many of you watched the halftime show for the football game on Christmas. I actually turned it off. uh but uh beyonce was the halftime entertainment and they walked her through a guy had a horse and was leading the horse she was on the horse and a guy was leading the horse and he had a mask on and i thought you know what i cannot believe that this is in 2024 the guy has a mask on doing that what kind of message is that trying to send to people and then She and J-Lo have been pretty close to nasty stuff going on with Jay-Z and Sean Diddy Combs. And I just, you know, it’s coming out. Just a lot of really nasty stuff that these people are doing. And I’m just not jazzed about watching it anymore. Joe, you’re a young guy. What do you think about this? Because as these stories are coming out about Diddy Jay-Z and just nasty stuff. You’ve got your ear to the ground. What do you hear?
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I might have a little more of a tinfoil hat, but I’ve always thought that Hollywood society has had some weird things going on in the background that we just don’t know about because high society has secrets.
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Well, and, you know, I think the truth is coming out on all this, Joe. And I think these people were held up as great artists. And I remember listening to or looking up the lyrics of one of Beyonce’s songs. And I’m like, this is nasty. This is not art. This is just nasty. And I think that it’s been an effort to.
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kind of brainwash people into to thinking nasty stuff is okay and i i think that i think that we’re going to get this this turned around with the the truth coming out on this joe i think so too and i i i don’t necessarily think all of them are really great artists i think a lot of them are really great business people and that’s what really got them to where they’re at
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Really, promoters, I think you’re right. I think you’re right. So anyway, I turned it off. I’m like, I am not interested in watching this. And so I turned that off. So a bunch of really interesting things, though, in this day in history. And I think, my friends, it’s important to look back in history and understand that. Of course, we’ll talk about some headlines as well. But first thing, 1903, the American Political Science Association is founded in New Orleans. And so after the Civil War, that’s where we really started to see this progressive movement. Of course, it culminated with the presidency of Woodrow Wilson in the teens. But I found it, I thought, this is interesting. This has been a long progression. uh and not in progress but a long progression to get us to the point where we are now and i had talked to marley hornick she was one of our our guests last week that we had featured and she is a co-founder of united sovereign americans and i said to her i said i really think that we are in the third founding of america And she said, huh, I hadn’t thought about it like that. But it’s been a long, long time in getting to this point. But we are in this extreme battle of ideas. And that’s why we do the show is so that we can engage in this battle of ideas so that we can reclaim our country. Now. Global warming. Of course, global warming has now been called climate change. And of course, we’d recommend that you watch A Climate Conversation, which you can watch it for free at aclimateconversation.com. And then we have put together some really great podcasts with scientists and experts as well that you will find. gain even more understanding of this particular issue. And I’d asked our last guest, I said, so what is the perfect temperature and who decides what that is? And so this whole thing is really about control. But when the earth is cool, Plants don’t thrive, means we don’t have as much food for us, for animals. And so I thought this was interesting how cold this has been in our country as well. So in 1917, negative 32 degrees Fahrenheit in Mountain City, Tennessee, which was a state record, and a negative 37 degrees Fahrenheit the same year in Lewisburg, West Virginia. That’s pretty cold for there. And then there was a couple others. I’ll mention those. This is 1933, negative 50 degrees Fahrenheit in Bloomfield, Vermont, a state record. And in 1968, negative 48 degrees Fahrenheit in Mazama and Winthrop, Washington. I think when you look at those temperatures, Joe, a little global warming is probably a good idea. What do you think?
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It definitely sounds like it to me.
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So, yeah. Oh, there was one other one here. 1995, the lowest ever UK temperatures were recorded at 27 degrees point two Celsius in the Scottish Highlands, equaling the record set in Aberdeenshire on February 11th, 1895 and January 10th, 1982. So, again, with these kinds of temperatures, that’s why they had to change. the narrative from global warming to climate change. So a couple of other things. In 1922, the creation of the USSR was formally proclaimed in Moscow from the Bolshoi Theater. It was organized as a union of Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian and Transcaucasian Soviet Socialist Republic. That was 1922. 1941, during World War II, the Nazis require Dutch physicians to join the Nazi organization. And then it was in 2021 on this day, there was the wildfire over in Boulder. Now I can’t remember the name of it, but it destroyed a thousand homes. And that was just in 2021. So, yeah, this day in history, a lot has happened. The show comes to you because of our sponsors, and I thank LearnMe Energy for their goal sponsorship of this show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. And that industry is so under attack here in Colorado, both from a legislative standpoint and also from an administrative standpoint. And so that’s why we need to shed light on this, because it is this reliable, efficient, affordable and abundant energy that powers our lives, that we’re able to control our own personal climate. And that would be to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And all of that is under attack. And then also the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team is wonderful sponsors of the show. They carry my home and auto insurance. And if you bundle it together, you may be able to save a lot of money. If you put your home and your auto and boat, anything like that, if you bundle that together, you might be able to save a lot of money. The way to find out is to give them a call at 303-795-8855 and make a complimentary appointment. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. My friends, as we are looking forward to 2025, and I have a couple of things that I would highly recommend. One of those is to at least visit Liberty Toastmasters. And Liberty Toastmasters Denver meets the first and third Saturdays of each month at the Independence Institute. And Liberty Toastmasters North meets in Longmont the second and fourth Saturdays. Saturdays of each month. And being able to communicate is so important. It takes practice. It takes thought. I am recommitting myself to Liberty Toastmasters this year. I had missed quite a bit during this last election season. And I realize that I need to continue to try to get better at my communication skills. So I’d love to have you join us on that. So that’s the first thing. And if you decide you’re going to run for office or you’re going to help a candidate or you’re going to make public comments at the school board at the city council county commissioner meetings down at the state house need to be able to get your thoughts together and be able to communicate in concise effective manner and i really would recommend that you join us For Liberty Toastmasters, you can’t just snap your finger and all of a sudden be a good communicator. It takes time and it takes practice. And the speaking component is important. The table topics is important, which we have on the show on a regular basis. But also the whole evaluation thing, I think, has really served me the best in being able to put thoughts together in in a manner when you’re in a back and forth with others and so check out Liberty Toastmasters would love to have you join us next thing we will be having our legislative kickoff January 23rd for the Colorado Union of taxpayers we would really recommend that you join us as well it’s $25 to join the event will be down at the Colorado Automobile Dealers Association And the cost is $10 to join us for that. And you will, for $25, so basically $2 a month, you will receive hours and hours of work from our volunteers as we have gone through the legislation that is proposed and scheduled for hearing. And so instead of just these headlines, you’ll really be able to see the guts of what is happening down at the Statehouse. And I want to say thank you to this team that I get to work with, all volunteers, Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Carl Honiger, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Joseph O’Loughlin, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, and Mary Jansen. If you are interested in joining us on rating bills and might be interested in joining our board, please text me at 720-605-0647. I’d like to add three more people in to our board to rate bills. And so text me at 720-605-0647. And I would love to chat with you about that. Let’s get through some of these headlines here. And the first headline I think that many of you have seen is Jimmy Carter, this is USA Today, 39th U.S. President, and they said, and noted humanitarian. And again, this is, that is their opinion. He was also, he was the president that gave up control of the Panama Canal. And of course, Trump has been talking about we need to regain control of the Panama Canal. And then he’s Trump’s out there saying we might annex Canada, Greenland. Certainly. Certainly interesting talking points there. But it was Carter that gave up the control of the Panama Canal. Certainly want to rest in peace. I think that I think that he was I’m going to just say naive. He was really, I think, one of those progressive presidents used a lot of. force, I would say, for humanitarian causes. And our country was in a very difficult position when he was president, just like we are now with the Joe Biden-Harris administration. And the great thing about it, though, is we can reclaim this. We can get this turned around. That’s why I think so many people are looking forward to 2025. But certainly a rest in peace, Jimmy Carter. And I do thank him for his service to the country. Next thing many of you have seen. This was unbelievable over Christmas break. And that is, is people being set on fire in New York. And this is from Fox News. It says Trump borders are blast the New York governor for touting subway safety hours after horrific murder. Says shame on you. And apparently an illegal alien set someone on fire. And then there was another one. And this was a few days later, says the New York Police Department. This is from Fox News investigates after a homeless man catches fire in the Manhattan subway station. And I used to go back to New York on a regular basis. I was in the ladies’ clothing business and would go back for the introduction of each of the new seasons. And I didn’t really like to ride the subway, but I did, but I would not ride the subway now. And, of course, Daniel Penny, who was the Marine veteran who – A homeless man who was making all kinds of threats to people on the subway was brought up on charges. And so here is somebody that is trying to protect people. And fortunately, he was exonerated on this. But the fact that they would even bring charges against him is beyond belief. So New York police. Apparently, Eric Adams, the mayor, is going to try to get a handle on this. But but it is it’s pretty tough stuff. And of course, Kathy Hochul is one of those progressive government governors who really I don’t think she cares about the people. Next thing. This is from Fox News again. A Texas judge blocks Biden’s sales of the border wall and the Biden-Harris administration on their way out. They’ve parroted that there’s going to be a smooth transition to the Donald Trump presidency, but they are putting all kinds of marbles in front of the administration to try to prevent their success. And the idea that he would sell off the border wall steel. at cents on the dollar. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, this is from Newsmax, Biden announces $2.5 billion in fresh military aid to Ukraine. So trying to secure their border. Meanwhile, ours is wide open and even preventing the border wall from being built. It is truly unbelievable. And then this is super interesting, though. And this is the again, Fox News, MSNBC host Rule and Read are taking pay cuts following their major rating slump. And It says if they want to remain with their network, the MSNBC host Joy Reid and Stephanie Ruhl may have to take these pay cuts. It says MSNBC has been looking to negotiate new deals and they’ve been asked to reduce their salaries. So this whole thing with mainstream media, which has been really indoctrinating people. I was on a walk yesterday and ran into one of my neighbors yesterday. who said that she has a friend who is Democrat and wanted to know how, this friend wanted to know how my friend could support Trump. And then in the conversation, I think basically they realized, my friend realized that they only watch this mainstream media. And I have many colleagues whose family members or friends only watch mainstream media. and really are so indoctrinated for a hatred for Donald Trump and really not tolerant to take a look at any other points of view. And so anyway, though, I think that mainstream media is losing its effect. And we’re seeing this with these two women having to negotiate pay cuts. A couple of other things that I did want to mention, and all this happened over Christmas break. First of all, I needed to mail some things on, I guess it was Saturday, after the post offices were closed. And there is a reason why the post office is losing billions of dollars. I go to the first post office, my local post office, and the line is really long. And this was for the automated, where you could buy stamps or mail a package. So the line was long. I thought, okay, I’m headed this other way. So I went to another post office. And I’ve seen this happen before. And that is somebody has used that automated after hours system and put something in and it jammed the post. um where you could put the packages so that meant that i couldn’t mail anything there so i thought okay i’m going to go to i have to go to another place i’ll go to another post office well they didn’t have the after hours automated system so i went back to the first place by that time i’d done all my errands and there was one other woman there and myself And she said, are you needing to buy stamps? And I said, no. She said, well, I needed to buy stamps. And it is doing a little metered stamp one at a time. And she had to buy 100 stamps. So that was ineffective. And if this was private enterprise, they would not stay in business. So there is a reason government typically doesn’t do things really, really well. I think they should probably put Chick-fil-A in charge of post offices and we would be able to get very fast service. Next thing, I was at Whole Foods and I looked over and there was on a corner, there was a guy with a sign, looked like a very able-bodied man. And his wife was sitting in a lawn chair next to him with maybe a baby or a child. And then there were two teenage daughters sitting on lawn chairs as well with cell phones. And I thought, what is wrong with this picture? Instead of trying to figure out a way to do value for value, how can I do work that you would pay me for? than instead just out there begging and how is it that those girls are able to afford those cell phones? Well, I think it’s us. And I was talking to a millennial over the break and maybe leaned a little more to the left and he said, you know what, I’m just about over the free stuff. And I think Americans really are about over all of the free stuff. 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back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson mon son.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it Text me at 720-605-0647. Would love to hear from you. And please tap on the line with me, Dan Meyer. He’s the author of the book, Upside Down, How We Can Avoid Becoming the United States of China. He says freedom cannot exist in the absence of truth. Dan Meyer, welcome to the show.
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Well, good morning. You are very perky for 6.33 in the morning, I must say.
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That’s my job to be perky at 6.33 in the morning.
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Do you get up at 3.30? How many cups of coffee do you have before you get to this level?
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Both.
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Good answer. That’s wonderful.
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So this is an important book. And is this the first book that you’ve written, Dan?
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The first and only.
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I know. I’m working on a second about trying to destroy the myth of the woke. The woke is a joke as far as I’m concerned. All of this go-along-to-get-along stuff and just kind of slide through life, that’s got to stop. So I’m trying to write a second book, but the problem is it’s about 1,000 pages, and I don’t know how to cut it down.
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That’s the tricky component of it. And you have such an interesting career, but you were in the automotive business with GM for many years. And freedom of mobility, the open road, is one of the things that I think is so important. And everyday people being able to go where they want to, when they want to, has been really a source of freedom. That whole thing is under attack now. But but you you learned a lot in all those years in the automotive business.
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I did. You know, I started out in 1977 with Chevrolet Motor Division and was in Los Angeles for over 20 years. And L.A. is the most competitive market in the world and the largest car and truck market in the world. If you survive that, you end up learning a lot. Donald J. Trump is an expert in real estate and has a lot of experience in business, but some of us have probably equal experience through the school of hard knocks in advertising, marketing, distribution, sales and service of Chevrolet cars and trucks. And it really taught you, it taught me anyway, that you never have success when you centralize anything. And I’ll kind of get to the mobility part of it that you hit on. It’s so absolutely critical to our way of life. But Detroit always wanted to pull field goals. into Detroit and centralize it, and you can’t do field from Detroit. If you’re in Los Angeles, you have to be in Los Angeles on the ground, knowing what the dealers and the customers want and need. When you centralize it in Detroit, you lose contact with everything that’s important. You kind of turn your back on the customers and the owners, and you how this relates to my book and life in general is, is, um, the last four years, uh, I won’t say who the president was supposed to be, but regardless of that, the last four years, everything was trying to be centralized in Washington, DC. And, uh, that’s the fastest way to lose contact with you and me and all of, uh, the customers, who really aren’t customers, we are the bosses. And centralized Washington, D.C. seems to have forgotten that simple little fact that everything we do supports them and they’re supposed to support us back. So I guess my main, the main thing I learned is you have to be If you’re going to be successful and you care about customers and people for any sales and service organization, including our government of buying for the people, that belongs to us. You can’t run that from Washington, D.C., and you cannot run that from Detroit. It just doesn’t work. Those of us in the field in the early 2000s warned Detroit that you know, don’t tell us we’re part of the team and then cut the sales force by 10%. You need to cut Detroit by 10 or 20 or 30% and add people to the field so that we have a contact with the consumer. They refused to do that. And in 2009, GM filed for, I guess it was Chapter 11 bankruptcy, which for what was at one point the biggest corporation in the world, and at one point had 50% of the U.S. market, to file bankruptcy is unheard of. But there were things like nepotism and other things internal to General Motors, but it was the attempt to centralize and control everything from Detroit that literally destroyed GM, and it’s clawed its way back, thankfully, because I have a pension that I rely on from them. But the same thing translates, Kim, as you know, you can see this coming a mile away, is the exact same thing applies to Washington, D.C. You know, the government, the federal government, should be about the same size regardless of whether the population of the United States is 100 million or 300 million. It only takes so many people to man the border, which has been abandoned. It only takes so many people to be in the military, which has been turned on its head, unfortunately. So I just recoil at the thought that government can grow just because population grows. That’s not true. It’s absolutely not true. And I want to address your mobility. There’s a reason why we hear about all these 15-minute cities, and I guess Britain is far worse than we are to try to control movement, control mobility, control your life. where you go, what you can buy, and on and on and on. But my wife and I love to go to South Glen, for example. There’s some great places to eat left, but I would say over half of South Glen, which is supposed to be a 15-minute city, that’s the idea, about half of it is shuttered. There’s plywood in the windows, and, you know… It’s just a failed attempt to control us, control our movements, and eradicate our freedoms that come from God and not man. So that’s the mobility part. And I think it’s, thank God, it’s disintegrating under its own weight because it’s just impractical. people in this country have tasted freedom. And we know freedom. We know mobility. We know how to make money through hard work. And when the government tries to sit on us, I think it largely, we don’t have to protest in the street with a sign. It just fails if it’s on the court because it’s a bad idea to begin with.
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Well, and Dan, they keep throwing money, though, incentives at these terrible ideas. And Dan, I really think that, and I’m talking with Dan Meyer regarding his book, Upside Down, I really think that Colorado is at the tip of the spear. And there’s a variety of reasons for that. But I think that the battle of ideas is right here and now. And this freedom of mobility, you see them trying to, in fact, there was a headline recently that I had pulled, let’s see if I can find it. I can’t find it right now, but basically it is that they’re going to be using, again, trying to move us into transit and using that for social engineering. And I saw that when I was on city council. 2012 to 2016. And it took me a while to put my finger on what was happening. But they’re using incentives. They’re using federal dollars. And I think that we see the Biden-Harris administration trying to put all kinds of marbles in front of Donald Trump and his administration before they take office. And I think that Trump is really going to be making changes at the federal level. But what I think is going to happen, Dan, is that we’re going to see at the local, the county and the state level here in Colorado, them pushing this radical activist agenda. And a lot of it’s going to be with federal grant money. So I think one of the first things that we need to do, I’m calling it DOGE Colorado, Department of Government Accountability, is that we start as citizens, go through and take a look at all of this grant money that is being used to push these agendas, and you mentioned the WOKE agenda as well, and go to our local, county, and state representatives and say, we don’t want to take that money anymore. What do you think about that?
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That’s absolutely perfect. in any fight, I guess, or war, and we’re in a war for the survival of the United States, which has become the divided states of America. Thank you very much, Washington, D.C. But in any fight or battle, if you take the weapons away from your enemy, you’ve won by default, and it’s over. If we accept bribes from the federal government, which is just a redistribution of our wealth to begin with. And as far as I’m concerned, all taxation is theft, but I didn’t say that. But to take our money and then give it back to us in the form of grants or whatever, I call them bribes, blackmail, lobbyists, out of control government, If we allow that to happen, then we’ve submitted to it. We need to stand up and refuse. And I’ll go a couple steps further. We need to, it’d be nice if voters actually had the vote and we could rely on fair elections, and I’m talking about 2020 and I’m talking about Dominion and I’m talking about all the rest of it that happened here in Colorado. I believe Dominion’s headquarters globally was here in Denver, we have problems and we have to disarm. And what you’re talking about is disarming people who would sit on us, take away our God-given freedoms. And when I was writing the book, you know, if you want to find the truth, don’t try to prove yourself right. Try to prove yourself wrong. And I tried to prove myself wrong about certain things. I hone in on global warming, climate change, for example. That’s a green scam set to redistribute our wealth as government sees fit. It’s all just bogus.
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And I’ll give a plug again for our documentary, A Climate Conversation, which you can watch for free at aclimateconversation.com. And it has aired on Newsmax many different times. It’s the project of Walt Johnson, who he just wanted to have a conversation about this whole narrative. So check out aclimateconversation.com. I’m talking with Dan Meyer. Upside Down is his book. Dan, where can people buy the book?
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People can buy the book at Amazon.com, BarnesandNoble.com online. My website is www.UpsideDownUS, and there’s a purchase page there, and there’s also some background on the book itself, how and why it was written. So just those three. I’d like to find somebody – My publisher is a self-publishing company called iUniverse, and it’d be helpful if I had a real publisher that could get hard copies into bookstores, but I don’t have that luxury right now because the nature of the book, Upside Down, is so controversial that a lot of folks wouldn’t. touch it with a used 10-foot pole.
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Okay.
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So that’s an obstacle I have. But, yeah, you can get it at Amazon and Barnes & Noble online.
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of the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And do check out the Center for American Values. They’re nonpartisan. They’re nonpolitical. They focus on a couple of things, honoring our Medal of Honor recipients and telling their stories, and also these educational programs to reclaim honor, integrity, and patriotism for our country. And so that website is AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. I’m talking with Dan Meyer regarding his book, Upside Down, How We Can Avoid Becoming the United States of China. Freedom cannot exist in the absence of truth. And Dan, as you start your book, You said this, our nation is dying. You know it. You feel it. The American people, we the people, have lost control of our own country. And I think that people have realized that. I think the election of 2024 is so important with Donald Trump being elected. However, the down ballot races, I’m concerned about that. But we at least are taking a big step here at the federal level. What do you see looking forward into 2025, Dan Meyer?
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Well, I see Donald Trump is known for waiting in the weeds for the perfect opportune time and then pouncing. I think it’s going to be a whirlwind starting on January 21st. As a matter of fact, the whirlwind has already started. As far as I know, all the world leaders have contacted Donald Trump and As he says, the first time around, people avoided him because they kind of didn’t know what to think or what to do about this businessman becoming president, for heaven’s sakes, you know, a political non-politician. But his method is to sit, wait, look, and learn, and then, boom, at the right time, buy a building or buy a piece of ground or fix a nation. And I think the nation will be fixed post-haste. I fear right now I’m kind of like Robert Shaw, the captain of the boat in Jaws, when he talked about going into the water and having his mates eaten by sharks. And he was never more fearful than when the saving boat was five minutes away. That’s how I feel, frankly. We’ve got a ways to go until January 20th, and I’m still laughing about your marbles in front of Trump, and that’s what they’re going to do. My question is, and guys like Dan Bongino’s question is, how bad is it going to get before we’re over the hump? And we’ve got to keep pressure on Congress and mayors and governors and whoever we can reach out to to say enough. You know, the people have spoken. If you try to block Trump or try to block the progress that we have mandated him to do, we’re going to hold you accountable, whether you’re primaried or whatever is going to happen to you. But I’m fearful right now for the next 30 days. And I pray to God every day that we make it to January 20th intact. But if we do and when we do, I should say, I think Trump is going to be a whirlwind. I think Ramaswamy and Musk, especially Kash Patel, I can’t wait to see what he does with the FBI. My Lord. Talk about an out-of-control federal agency. I think it’s going to happen fast. And I shouldn’t say this fast and furious. It was an Obama gun-running into Mexico deal, but— For Trump, it will be fast and furious, I believe. And like I said, I pray to God that happens every day.
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Yes. And to that point, and I’ll just reiterate this, though, what we’re going to see is at the local level. Dan, I have seen this. Very well-meaning people have gotten on to city councils or county commissioners and They forget that they are representatives of the people and they start to think that they are the executives of this little municipality or county or whatever. They forget that they are working for the people. And so many times they’re looking at driving revenue for the people. city or the county, when in essence that revenue that they’re trying to drive is money of the people. So we need to remind them that they’re representatives of the people and that it is the people’s money and government needs to be limited not only at the federal level, but at all other levels as well. And that’s even school boards, I would say, Dan Meyer.
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That’s absolutely right. I’m in Douglas County. I’m in Highlands Ranch. And a friend of mine is a lady named Laura Thomas, who is one of the three county commissioners for Douglas County. The other two have been just persecuting her. I and a lady named Cindy Dalton and a group of us have traveled down to Castle Rock three, four, five, eight times, some of us, defended Laura because the other two commissioners are, like you say, they think they’ve got their own little fiefdom in Castle Rock, and that’s not true. It’s not your fiefdom. It’s our turf. We pay for this stuff, and I guess my point here is I believe Laura Thomas is simply trying to do the most she can with the least amount of money, and the other two commissioners are supporting craziness like this 2050 water commission plan to pump water from southern Colorado to Denver. And, oh, my Lord, it just smacks of corruption and graft. And you’re right, we’ve got to stand up with it, school boards, counties. I think the sheriffs are extremely important because they’re They are grassroots and frontline, and I think the sheriffs are strong enough if a bad FBI agent comes into Douglas County, our sheriff can kick his butt out. So, yes, we’ve got the downstream stuff is absolutely crucial.
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So, Dan Meyer, we’re out of time. But again, your book, Upside Down, Dan Meyer spelled M-E-Y-E-R. And people can buy this at Amazon and everywhere. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. And thank you for sharing this book with me. I really do appreciate it, Dan Meyer.
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Thank you, Kim. You’re the voice of truth. Keep going, please.
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Okay. Well, thank you. And yes, we’re an independent voice. And again, that’s Dan Meyer. His book is Upside Down. And our quote for the end of the show is from John F. Kennedy, JFK. He said, one person can make a difference and everyone should try. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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Indeed. Let’s have a conversation. And welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. It is Monday, Producer Joe. Happy Monday, Kim. Happy Monday. And two more days in 2024, and then 2025 is right around the corner. And we’re looking forward with hope to 2025 to reclaim our country, to reclaim our state. Check out the website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly e-mail newsletter. You’ll get the first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can e-mail me at kim at kimmunson.com. Our text line is 720-605-0647. And Dan – or excuse me, Dave – Thank you. I mentioned Colorado Union of Taxpayers, that we have a few openings on the board to help rate bills. And Dave, I will be giving you a call because he’s responded. So if you might be interested in talking about that, 720-605-0647. Thank you to all of you who… Support us. We are an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to use force to implement it. And we focus on the issues and the people that are pushing them, not the personalities. We’re really working hard to stay out of all the eighth grade fighting that can happen with eighth grade girl fighting, I should say. in politics. Our word of the day, let’s get to that. Before we do that, we have great sponsors and Hooters restaurants, how I got to know them is a really important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism. and it occurred when I was on city council. You can find the whole story at my website. But Hooters Restaurants is a great place to watch the games and get together with friends. They have lunch specials Monday through Friday and happy hour specials, and you can find all those at my website as well. But they have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs, and I do thank them for their partnership here. So our word of the day is… is earnest. And it is spelled E-A-R-N-E-S-T. Your challenge is to use that in a sentence today. And it is a noun. That’s first definition. It could be a serious and intent mental state. So a proposal made in earnest. Number two, a considerable or impressive degree or amount. So their example was the SAP started running in earnest. Number three, something of value given by a buyer or seller to bind a bargain. For example, earnest money in a real estate transaction. Or number four, it could be a token of what is to come, a pledge. So earnest, E-A-R-N-E-S-T. Your challenge is to use that in a sentence today. And my friends, this gets our brains going to try to be able to do this. That’s the reason that I have put this online. into each show. And of course, it’s something that we do at Liberty Toastmasters all of the time. Our quote of the day is from JFK, John Fitzgerald Kennedy. He was born in 1917, died in 1963 from assassination. He was the youngest person ever elected president of the United States. He served at the height of the Cold War. And I chose this quote because of our guest in the first hour, Dan Meyer, and his book, Upside Down, How We Can Avoid Becoming the United States of China. And John F. Kennedy said this. He said, the cost of freedom is always high. But Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender or submission. We are in a time right now to reclaim our country, to reclaim our state. And we’re earnestly in this battle of ideas that is raging right now. So again, the cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender or submission. And great sponsors of the show. I get to work with a lot of really great people, and I’m really blessed to do so. And I’m talking with Roger Mangan with the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team, and there is something that people are concerned about, but maybe confused about, and that is cyber security, Roger.
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Yes, Kim, it is the season for cyber breaches and cyber theft, for sure. So let me define cyber first as relating to our characteristics of a culture of computers, information technology, and virtual reality. So anything that deals with electronic communications becomes cyber. So I want to tell you a quick story about what happened to Roger and Alice Mangan. We applied for passports and went into a website. Roger actually did this. I should have probably not. But I got into this website and it showed an official government document to fill out to renew your passport. So I went in, did it. In that process, of course, I put my Social Security number, credit card numbers. It cost me $89 to fill out those applications for my wife and myself. Only later to find out that it was not the official website. And so panic struck, and it’s like, okay, who has all this information? Well, after a lot of fretting, we were able to figure out this was a legitimate company, third-party vendor company. who was helping me fill something out that I didn’t really need to pay them $89 to fill it out. I could have done it on my own. So they took the $89 and… I filled out the application, and I still had to go to the government to finish the work. And we’re like, ooh, did I make a big mistake? So we froze our credit cards. We did all kinds of crazy things that we didn’t really have to do. But my admonition to anybody listening here, be very careful. You can get… duped and suckered into something that looks obvious. If it’s an email you don’t recognize, don’t open it. And if you really, depending on your age, if you’re younger, this is probably automatic. But if you’re a little older, I’d say 50 and over, you probably should get some help or some second opinions. But as far as cybersecurity, there’s an endorsement you can put on your homeowner’s policy with State Farm. It’s $20 a year. It’s worth the stress relief if you have an issue. It covers cyber attacks, pays for data recovery and system restoration costs. It will pay for cyber extortion if you do get extorted. It identifies you for restoration case management services. It identifies fraud expense reimbursements up to $50,000. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it’s amazing. So that includes, for example, that 50 would include the cost of obtaining credit bureau reports, fees for repayment of loans, grants, or other credit instruments. telephone and postage fees, notary and certain legal fees, $1,000 to take care of financial institution costs that you may be subjected to. gets into credit monitoring after the fact. So it’s really, really worth your time as a consumer to call and find out if your company has that endorsement at that cost to add it to your homeowner’s policy. $20 a year. I mean, $3 a month? No, not even that, $2 a month. It’s worth it.
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It is worth it. I think I need to make sure that I’ve got that on mine, so I need to give you guys a call on that. Roger Mangy, what’s the best way for people to reach you?
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You can call us at 303-795-8855. We would love to talk to you about… This and other things that you may wonder, do I have any gaps in my coverages? And we can certainly discover that for you and discuss solutions.
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and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well and thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you shouldn’t have to force people to do it And I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from coal, natural gas, and oil that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. Very pleased to have on the line with me Nathan Wooster. He is a national politics reporter with the Epoch Times. Nathan, welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much for having me again, Kim.
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Well, it’s good to have you and really interesting pieces that you are writing. But the first one that I wanted to chat with you about was Trump’s freedom cities. And I love this idea of using federal land and creating new cities. But set this up for us, because I had not heard of this until I was looking through your articles.
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Yes, it’s one of those proposals from Trump that really slipped through the cracks. He made a lot of them as part of his Agenda 47 on the campaign trail. And this is one that came during early 2023 at a point when he had not yet received the nomination. Indeed, there were many who doubted he could even be a serious contender at that point, given all the emerging and existent legal challenges he had at that time. So the Freedom Cities idea, it is still a little bit sketchy because he only released a video and there was a little bit of accompanying material produced. But basically the notion is, according to Trump, we could use something like one two hundredth of the federal land that the government has. And as a reminder, that’s about 30 percent of the land mass in the United States, at least the lower 48 in Alaska and Hawaii, I believe. We could use just 325 million acres is what that would translate to, to potentially hold up to 10 billion. chartering contests to designate these, what he called, freedom cities. Basically, the notion is we would be able to build new cities that were chartered according to some set of rules that would make them less high regulation, perhaps lower tax, geared towards innovation and geared towards providing some sort of housing. Given the issues with the housing crisis, given what some would argue are significant issues with the American economy as a whole, was initially, at least in some quarters, dismissed as, well, kind of a fantastical notion. One of the more interesting, and we can get into this in more detail, but one of the more interesting conversations I had while putting together this article was I spoke with an expert on charter cities, a man named Jeff Mason, who in 2023, when this idea was new, said, well, this is going to be difficult to execute in the U.S. It’s not a place for You can do things like this very easily. A lot of the federal land is not close to existing big cities, outlining a lot of reasonable concerns and possible issues. But then when I spoke to him again just a few weeks ago after Trump had been reelected, he said, well, no, it certainly seems like there is more now energy behind this proposal.
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I’m thinking for people, for example, we’re in Colorado. We’re in the Denver metro area. It’s very expensive. And property taxes are attached to home values. And so we saw significant property tax increases throughout Colorado. And people are really getting squeezed out here in Colorado because of housing. So bringing new competition on. onto the market would more supply would would probably start to maybe reduce values of existing homes or what do you think about that nathan
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Yeah, you know, I think that one issue that has been brought up as a counterpoint by advocates of, you know, more conventional liberalization of housing policy would be to say, well, what if we just try to change some of the zoning that already exists in, yeah, certainly in places in California that’s often raised as an issue. I can’t speak to the specifics in Colorado, but yeah, it certainly seems that in the Front Range, in many of these other, you know, Greater Phoenix, for example, many of these other big urban corridors in the Mountain West area in particular, there has been this great increase in demand. Supply has not kept up. On the other hand, in the case of Colorado, certainly once you get into Wyoming, in the not too far away. You have places like Nevada, Idaho. There’s lots of federal land that could be potentially included that would be pretty close to existing cities that would not be in the middle of nowhere. And in fact, there was a report analyzing a similar notion from Senator Mike Lee. The Joint Economic Committee Republicans estimated that In Wyoming, Arizona, Nevada, various other states, basically all of the housing crisis could, in theory, be addressed by using some federal land in this fashion.
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So would these be home ownership properties where people would actually own the land and also own their home? And I ask that question because I’ve seen out here in Colorado something called land trusts, which I don’t like at all, where government owns the land underneath and people might own the home, but it’s kind of like renting the land. I really like property rights and home ownership. So what’s that look like?
SPEAKER 03 :
That is an incredibly good question, and it’s one of the, I would say, unresolved active debates about what this would look like. I think, again, I spoke to another person in the D.C. policy world. I’m not going to name him, but he told me, well, this is an interesting idea, but we are not going to weigh in formally until there’s more meat on the bone. And that would mean something like articulating, okay, is this going to be land that’s just ultimately owned by the government, but leased in perpetuity? Is it going to be fully auctioned off? And is this going to be something that is no longer federal land in any sense whatsoever? I think it is going to be the latter. But yes, this needs to be spelled out more clearly by the people. I think in particular, Doug Burgum of the Department of the Interior, he would likely play a crucial role in this. So that’s something that needs to be spelled out more clearly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so Nathan, as you’re talking about this auctioned off, I like that idea. Does this offer the opportunity for cronyism, though, as well on the people that might get the contracts to do that? I know these are questions that would all need to be kicked around. What’s your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think that, you know, from my perspective, you see certainly a lot of interest. A lot of it is coming from, for example, the Frontier is this foundation that has very quickly branded itself as an advocate in D.C. Freedom City’s movement, you have pre-existing, I think, real estate development interests that even if they’re not explicitly articulating an interest, they’re clearly probably positioning themselves in some way to be, okay, well positioned to provide a bid, to attempt to put forth some sort of plan as part of this chartering contest. I do think that cronyism, the opportunity, especially if the bid process, the chartering process is not done in an adequately transparent form for there to be that sort of corruption. I think, yeah, I think that’s a very basic first concern and first instinct that people would have about this plan. And that in some ways, the sketchiness of the plan so far, despite the interest, means that It’s a good thing because the rules – it’s like we have not even quite a drawing board yet, but we do have a point where these questions, especially on the free market side from people who I think are maybe just more temperamentally or ideologically inclined to be excited about this idea, it’s good to see people – raising questions and maybe trying to set out, okay, what are the parameters around? For example, if someone is, say, involved in Doge or involved in some of these outside but at the same time insider government proposals that are being put forth and advanced right now in the Trump team, how are we going to make sure those people aren’t in a great position because of insider knowledge or something to then have the best bid for something like this?
SPEAKER 13 :
Boy, I really love the idea. The intricacies will be super interesting because whenever you get government involved in things… Interesting things happen. I’ll just put it that way. One of the examples that you had was this East Solano in California. And that proposal was to take farmland. And that’s not federal land. And I’m very concerned about us losing food production. So tell us a little bit about that proposal.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, East Solano, again, it’s a great example for various reasons, one just being the players who are involved. On the one hand, you do have farmland in this area east of the bay. And, you know, in favor of the proponent’s vision, let’s say – they are addressing what is a significant, serious issue with lack of housing, lack of supply to meet the demand in the Bay Area. This is a place with some of the most expensive housing in the country, in a state that already is due to property taxes, due to factors specific to California, but also just due to sheer demand. They’ve had this issue, even given California’s overall shrinking population, and given, I think, some positive trends for the perspective of people trying to buy houses in, say, San Francisco, it’s not a cheap place right now to live there. And so, unsurprisingly, a lot of the people behind this are tied up in the tech world. You have people who, I think, are on the more libertarian side of Silicon Valley who are in favor of this East Solano idea. But as you point out, this would impinge on the interests of farmers, potentially. It would not necessarily be so popular with people who exist in in those communities um but but certainly a big immediate distinction to draw would be between that and what is being proposed here which would involve federal land it would not involve existing farmland one likely conflict that i could imagine uh playing out though would be federal land if it’s very close to adjoining maybe um you know in pockets that are uh almost overlapping with ranch land or farmland or other private land in particular areas of the Mountain West, there could be conflict even if it’s not overstepping into that private land. Maybe those people would feel that they’re being put under pressure to move out or they’re then offered deals to have their land purchased because there’s just so much federal land nearby. Those are conflicts I could imagine happening and raising these same basic issues. But I do think that When it comes to housing supply, when it comes to meeting that demand, especially in the Mountain West, you’re going to probably end up in a situation where people say, okay, there’s a trade-off here. Some percentage of ranch land is some percentage of productive land. It’s okay if some of that ends up going to housing instead, just because there’s so much demand. And the alternative is either continued densification, which is slow and tedious and runs into the same issues with objections from stakeholders, or or continually rising housing prices.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and the federal government is very involved in housing now. And out here in Colorado, we’ve seen this real push towards building these four- and five-story apartment buildings. And there’s incentives to do so. One might be favorable financing from the federal government, and then there might be streamlining of the housing. approval process at the city the municipal and the county levels and so we have seen government very involved in housing where that agenda has been to put people in these these small apartments and have them walk or ride buses or trains with this whole 15-minute city which I I think that that That takes away freedom. It takes freedom of mobility. It takes away property ownership, building wealth. And so the government’s been very involved in pushing housing one way. I really do love the idea of property owners and these freedom cities. I think it’s very exciting. Nathan, your final thoughts on that? We’ll go to break. And then I really recommend that people check out your articles at the Epoch Times. You are just… writing about really important issues of our time. So your final thought on the Freedom Cities.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I would say when it comes to that whole issue of densification and whether or not they’re 15-minute cities or not, it seems very situationally dependent. I can speak for myself. I live in a pretty dense urban area. And so for me, that level of density, the access to things like buses and trains and the possibility of biking as opposed to walking, it’s a good thing. It’s also a very dense area where that makes a lot of sense. That’s a problem that they tend to have in some of these big West Coast cities where they’ve got this significant housing demand that exists, but you still have many, many places where it’s basically all just single family homes. So that’s a problem that’s different than in North Dakota or some other states where, yeah, I don’t think there’s enough demand necessarily. It doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of people who would want to sacrifice the kind of American dream that a lot of people have of the individual house, the possibility of just having a kind of conventional suburban community where you can raise your kids in a lot of space with a lot of, you know, access to nature and not have to have some of those denser features. And I think that, you know, the 15-minute cities thing, depending upon how this vision plays out, I don’t think it’s going to be too relevant. And I would say that’s because this vision that has been described as one based around lack of regulation and the kind of movement in the direction of you know, more greater freedom for the people developing it. And I mean, there might be incentives to provide that density. But if we really do have these constructed upon not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of acres of land, that seems like a great deal of space for single family housing, for something more akin to what a lot of Americans are looking for.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And before the kids get back into school, I’d recommend that you take the kids to the Center for American Values in Pueblo. and the Center for American Values is located on the beautiful Riverwalk, and it was co-founded by Drew Dix, Medal of Honor recipient, for actions he took during the Vietnam War, and Brad Padula, who is a Emmy Award-winning documentary maker. And they focus on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients, and then also great educational programs to reclaim these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. The Center’s nonpolitical, and it’s nonpartisan, and would really recommend you Check that out before the kids get to school. That website is AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. I’m talking with Nathan Wooster. He is the national politics reporter with the Epoch Times. And before we move on to the next subject, one of our listeners, Jenny, said, no bid system on these freedom cities, a lottery. I think she’s right. I think that that would eliminate the potential for cronyism, Nathan.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s a very interesting way of possibly framing it, I guess. You know, with any such lottery, you want to make sure that the participants actually have the means to build those cities or something like that. But, yeah, I mean, I’m not going to claim to be an expert on the possible best processes to insulate something like that from cronyism. But, you know, if something works and it has a demonstrated record of preventing those issues from cropping up, that seems like something worth exploring to me.
SPEAKER 13 :
It says she’s really she’s got her her brain around these issues big time. She does a great job on that. OK, next thing. You’re one of your most recent articles was December 22nd in The Epoch Times. Trump responds to claims that Musk is the shadow president. And then Musk apparently on Twitter, excuse me, on X has been been trending about these articles. Is it H-1B visas exactly? So talk to us about that, Nathan.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. So just for some context, the initial article was prompted by something that Trump said that made a lot of headlines during his speech at America Fest. There’s been this narrative building. I think you could accurately say it’s being stoked by Democrats and by many people who are opposed to the administration that is taking shape, claiming that Trump is effectively functioning as a shadow president or something to that effect. You have Nancy Pelosi and similar politicians. uh… pushing this idea and then you have republicans objecting to it uh… it trumpeteer as well you know market not yet a president and he he couldn’t be president anyway because he was not born in the u.s he’s not a natural born citizen uh… which is uh… an accurate point unless we were to you know push through an amendment altering the circumstances by which someone could become president, there’s no chance that a Musk or a Arnold Schwarzenegger, as I recall, is the last person that was discussed when this debate last week really came up around possible presidential prospect. It came up around Schwarzenegger. That’s just not a possibility. But then in the subsequent days, we have – this was especially over Christmas – a big debate on x had this apparent push and pull over skilled immigration visas where it certainly looks a bit like trump responded to influence from musk and from some not all i want to stress but some in the silicon valley tech world In favor of expanded immigration and against what a lot of people in the core mega base oppose, which would be an expansion or removal of country caps or something to that effect for H-1Bs, this category of skilled visa used in the tech world to a large extent for various purposes. But suffice to say, it’s been very interesting to watch, kind of feeds into this whole debate about what influence is Musk exerting? Is it too much? Is it perhaps a good thing? Is it a bad thing? Very, yeah, very, very active issue right now.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think, Nathan Wooster, though, the question is, is why do we need to import these people in the technology industry? And I think that Americans, and I think something was said along this line, maybe not as often, striving for excellence, maybe don’t work as hard. I think the whole indoctrination at our colleges and universities focusing on that instead of focusing on real education. What do you think about that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, there’s a lot of immediate issues with the culture point. One I’ll point out is that when you look at the international educational testing and you look at the American figures and you actually decompose it by certain demographic factors, certainly a lot of Americans perform at the very top of the world or near the top of the world. Asian Americans, white Americans are at or near the top of those tests. I think that anybody looking at the history of the United States, specifically its contributions to technology over the past 50 to 100 years, is left to conclude that pretty much all of the original innovation, pretty much everything of substance came out of the U.S. and was developed by Americans, American citizens. There have been and will continue to be very significant contributions from people born outside the U.S. who come here for opportunities. Certainly at the very top, you do have people, leaders who have that background from abroad. And the general point that the United States shouldn’t lose the top 0.001% of global talent, that I think most people are taking well. What people are objecting to is the notion of using some of these programs that have a demonstrated history of abuse And that when you delve into the details, you find actually function as a means of suppressing wages. Often they’re executed using these consulting firms with specific ties to countries and interest groups. The one that has been highlighted is India, but ones that seem to ultimately disincentivize hiring skilled workers. especially young americans young if you look at what americans what people you know a few years younger than i am majoring in college and then go on to study a lot of them are going into tech a lot of them are studying that but they find that the entire sector um not even just in the world of silicon valley but if you look at these graduate programs in engineering and science Not only are there not enough Americans, but they function as kind of a system – people will describe it as essentially slave labor for many of these grad students who could, in certain other areas, in finance, for example, if they’re intelligent young people, they’ll realize it just makes more sense for me to take my talents there rather than compete in this kind of race to the bottom against – a labor that is either being not really brought over in the most transparent way or with a real consistent view towards skill, but that, yeah, in some cases you have nepotism operating, you have other factors operating well beyond the pure free market factors that advocates of these visas tend to stress.
SPEAKER 13 :
So what do you think the administration and Musk, in their support of these visas, what’s your ear to the ground say on that, Nathan?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well… So, one conversation I had a few weeks ago was with Kevin Lin of U.S. Tech Workers. He’s a strong advocate for American, I guess you could say the big middle class of American tech workers who’ve been most affected by these visas. And I would just point out, since I have a few minutes here, it’s not just H-1Bs. You have what’s known as OPT, optional practical training, for people on F-1 visas, which is a route to much the same outcome. There’s lots of visas involved here that people, especially in the tech sector, have serious issues with. But my sense from talking to him was he likes a lot of what he has seen, but he doesn’t like a lot of what he’s hearing behind the scenes. This entire debate was touched off by the possible appointment of a man named Sriram. His last name I can find here, but he’s someone who would be involved potentially in AI decision-making, but Sriram Krishnan has these very marked pro-H1B views and views. I think that it’s impossible, especially based on what Trump has said, to argue that he hasn’t, at least in terms of his language, changed what he was saying in 2016. In 2016, both on the stage and in written statements and other forms, he was very, very critical of H-1Bs. And indeed, he went on to put forth – an executive order that was aimed at significantly reforming the system. And you saw then the results of at least, I believe, a decrease in the number of those applications that were accepted. But now. Very recently, when he was on the campaign trail, he said something to the effect that we should be stapling visas or green cards to diplomas, even junior college diplomas. And whether that was Trump maybe trying to please, in that case, a group of Silicon Valley elites that he was speaking to, whether that’s really what he’s going to do or whether it’s going to be something more moderate, we will have to see. Musk himself did go on to moderate what he was saying initially. He was He said some really rather explosive things, claiming that Americans are untalented, referring to people who disagreed with him with the term subtard. But he then said, well, no, I actually have always believed H-1B is in need of serious reform. We should raise the salary associated with it to ensure that there are not people brought on who are simply being brought on to lower Americans’ wages. I mean, from the perspective of critics of these programs, that’s a start, but it leaves a lot of questions in people’s minds. Steve Bannon, various other commentators have been hitting this issue hard. You also have people who appear to have been penalized, at least they will claim that they’ve been penalized for their views on H-1B. Gavin Wax, a young Republican activist, had his verification stripped in the midst of this debate. It’s definitely one of these important key conflicts that is, and I would just stress this, still going on. It seems like a lot of the debate that is happening on X is leaking over into the way that people in the inner circles are thinking. And we’ll just have to see, is it the case that Trump has meaningfully changed his view on this very key issue for his supporters? Or are we looking at This debate being hashed out publicly in a way that will ultimately influence the way that the administration governs, because, again, nobody is in office yet.
SPEAKER 13 :
Really fascinating. Nathan Wooster with The Epoch Times. 2025 is right around the corner. What’s your what’s your thoughts, particularly over the next 20 days or so for America?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I think we should all be looking towards what exactly signals are sent on this issue, but on various other issues, I think especially on the economy and on trade. That’s another issue where you have a great deal of push and pull. And so we’re going to see more, I think, statements, more debate happening on those issues. And really, it’s going to come down to many of the same conflicts that you already saw. not just between Trump and the original Republican Party that he in many respects kind of redefined through his election and then re-election. But this broader conflict over populism and the more, I would say the more core MAGA constituency as compared to people who tend to come and have more of a pro-free market with respect to trade and a pro-immigration, at least when it comes to H-1B and some of these other categories, more of an orientation in favor of those conventional not even necessarily Republican, but conventional neoliberal priorities. It’s going to be very interesting to see just how, what sort of signals are sent out.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, Nathan Wooster, people can find you at the Epoch Times. This has been very enlightening. Thank you so much and very interesting. So again, I would recommend that people check you out at the Epoch Times. That is Nathan Wooster and I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. Thank you so much, Kim, for having me.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. And we’re at year end. I’d recommend that you make a tax deductible. donation to the USMC Memorial Foundation. They are raising the money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial, which is the official memorials right here at 6th and Colfax. And my friends, it is just a small thing to show your appreciation by making this contribution. so that we can remember those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our liberty. And liberty is the responsible exercise of freedom. And so for more information, go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And we’ll talk with Trent Luce about this again. But this was a law that was passed a while back. The implementation is starting January 1st. And here in Colorado, January 1, every egg sold in the state must come from cage-free hens. Here’s what this means. And this is from the Post Independent up in Glenwood Springs. And it says, then there’s a sign, it says, in order to be compliant with Colorado state law requiring cage-free eggs by January 1, we may experience temporary shortages. We apologize for the inconvenience. And that was posted at one of the grocery stores. So when government gets involved, the price goes up. And the price of eggs has gone up significantly. Many times the quality goes down and the supply becomes limited. We’re going to see that happen with these eggs here. And it says legislators passed this law in 2020. And it was a multi-year ramp up to 2025. And it says all of our producers, both in Colorado and who sell into Colorado, have been prepared for cage free for many, many years, said Kate Greenberg, the state commissioner of agriculture. Our producers are producing. There should be eggs on the shelves. And they’ve done a great job of adapting to this challenging environment. And that challenging environment, my friends, was put in place because of the Colorado State Legislature. And again, this is force. If people want to have cage-free eggs, they should have that option. They can pay more at the store. But just think about that young family, that they’re just trying with high insurance costs, inflation. property taxes, all of this, they’re getting squeezed. And now this is taking away the choice for them to have more affordable eggs. And that is because of the Colorado State Legislature. And it is crazy here in Colorado that we have legislators that are concerned about the square footage of what hens could have in producing eggs, but yet this is a state that is very radical regarding abortion, aborting children, and don’t seem to see the value in our children. And so it’s just really kind of crazy. It’s really more about control. That’s what this is all about. This just came across the wire, my friends. This is from Reuters. I mentioned earlier that Biden announced two point five billion in fresh military aid to Ukraine. This just came across. It says the United States on Monday today announced nearly six billion in additional military and budget assistance for Ukraine as President Joe Biden uses his final weeks in office to surge aid to Kiev before President-elect Donald Trump takes power. And. I think there’s a lot of cronyism going on with this money here. It says Biden announced that $2.5 billion in additional security assistance for Ukraine. We talked about that earlier in the show. But then Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said the United States has made available $3.4 billion in additional budget aid to Ukraine, giving the war-torn country critical resources amid intensifying Russian attacks on Ukrainian civilians and infrastructure. This spending, this printing money and giving it out, what that means, again, for everyday people is it devalues our dollar. Inflation is that silent thief. And so if the money that you have only buys 80 percent of what it used to, that 20 percent is theft by inflation and that inflation is caused by. The Fed printing money, pushing money out into the money supply, as we’ve talked with Jay Davidson with First American State Bank on a regular basis. So this aid to Ukraine to protect their border while ours is wide open is really beyond belief. But that just came across the wire. Let’s see. Next thing, just a couple of headlines that I wanted to mention. That is, okay, this was Colorado employment reports are too unreliable for, it says the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. And again, we look at government. This is some of the things that they’re supposed to be doing. We looked at these reports, and let me get to the whole thing here. And this is from the Broomfield paper, the Broomfield Enterprise. It says that Colorado’s employment reports are so unreliable that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has stopped using them. And this is very unique. And it says that BLS has absurd data quality. Whoops, these pop-ups are such a challenge here. Sorry about this. I had everything ready for you. It says every quarter employers must – here we go. I want to get back to this. BLS has observed data quality problems because of ongoing issues with the modernization of Colorado’s unemployment insurance system. As a result, BLS is temporarily suspending publication of Colorado employment, unemployment, and wage data, the Bureau said in a statement that was issued on December 18th. And again, private enterprise, if they were this incompetent, they would go out of business. And again, I’ve gotten to a point where I really don’t trust so many of these different reports as well. And so again, that was from the Broomfield Independent. My friends, it’s great to be back in the saddle. It was wonderful to take some time off. I heard from many of you that you really enjoyed all of the programs that we prerecorded last week. We will prerecord for New Year’s Day as well. But our quote for the end of the show, I love this from JFK. And this is what he said. He said, one person can make a difference and everyone should try. 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