In this episode of The Kim Monson Show, the team discusses the crucial balance between government intervention and personal freedoms. With insights from former State Senator Kevin Lundberg, the conversation sheds light on Colorado’s semi-open primary system and the challenges of GOP leadership elections. Tune in for a thought-provoking examination of liberty, community issues, and the essential role of sponsors in maintaining independent media.
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You should not have to use force to implement it, and it’s not compassionate to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, property, freedom, livelihood, opportunities, their childhoods, or their lives via force. Enforce can certainly be a weapon, but it could be policy, unpredictable, and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the agenda by the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites, and they use the United Nations. This Colorado State Legislature, this governor, he’s not libertarian whatsoever. And if you look at the policies that are being pushed forward, In Colorado, they are with his approval. And he then tries to hide behind the legislature, hide behind these boards and commissions. He’s got his finger on all of this. So do not be fooled. And also land use codes and zoning regulations, forest fees, conservation easements. National monument designations. All those things take away our property. On the show, we focus on the issues, not the personalities. We really try to stay out of all the fighting and just stay focused on these particular issues. Thank you. First of all, to Hooters Restaurants for their sponsorship of the show. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs, and a great place to watch the March Madness Games. We’re down to the Suite 16, and a great place to watch those games would be at Hooters Restaurants. They are great sponsors of both the Kim Monson Show and also America’s Veterans Stories. Our word of the day, and thank you to Eric, is plethora. And it’s P-L-E-T-H-O-R-A. It could be an abundance or an excess of something. It could be an excess of blood in the circulatory system or in one organ or area. And let’s see here. Next page. Okay. Got plenty of papers here, my friends. I’m a paper girl. And let’s see. Let’s see. All that’s regarding just the whole circulatory system. So we’ll go with an abundance or excess of something. And there’s a plethora of bills down at the Colorado State House. And there’s some really bad bills there. As of this morning, there are 558 bills and resolutions that have been proposed. Colorado Union of Taxpayers, of which I am the president of this all-volunteer organization, has taken positions on 216 of them. This is amazing work by these volunteers, and we would love to have you join us. If you do, you will get the email that goes out to the legislators and the governor on Mondays with the weekly positions. And it’s only $25 a year. That’s $2.08 a month. That’s less than a cup of coffee. And you get all of our work. And when you see these fellow board members, these fellow volunteers, be sure and say thank you. And that’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onizorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And be sure and say thank you to all of them. So let’s see. Yes, there is a plethora of bills down at the State House, no doubt about it. Our quote of the day is from John Locke, and he was born in 1632. He died in 1704. He was an English philosopher and physician, widely regarded as one of the most influential of the Enlightenment thinkers and commonly known as the father of liberalism. Considered one of the first of the British empirists following the tradition of Francis Bacon, Locke is equally important to social contract theory. His work greatly affected the development of epistemology and political philosophy. His writings influenced Voltaire and Jean Rousseau and many Scottish Enlightenment thinkers, as well as the American revolutionaries. His contributions to classical republicanism and liberal theory are reflected in the United States Declaration of Independence. Internationally, Locke’s political legal principles continue to have a profound influence on the theory and practice of limited representative government and the protection of basic rights and freedoms under the rule of law. And he said this, he said, the people cannot delegate to government the power to do anything which would be unlawful for them to do themselves. And I took a variation of this when I was on city council. which I was on city council in Lone Tree from 2012 to 2016. And what I would see is that people with special interests, and in particular I’m thinking of the Community Development Block Grant program, obviously, and this was under the Obama administration, where they were granting money to different counties and municipalities, whereas the elected representatives would then dole out the money to a variety of different nonprofits in the guise of community development. And as I was sitting there and watching all of these different nonprofit executives come in and make their pitch to get this money, I was thinking of a couple of different things. First of all, is it the proper role of government to take money from the taxpayer and then dole that out to selected nonprofits? I would say no. Secondly, I was thinking that if I would not personally give money to this particular nonprofit, then why should I be giving taxpayers money to this particular nonprofit? And so this goes back to what John Locke has to say. If I would not give them my money personally, why should I give them, in air quotes, taxpayers’ money as well? And so this is where the government has gotten out of its proper role at the local, county, state, and level. And you can see how with these grant programs, And I know that I will probably hear from Jenny because she says these grant programs are basically like crack cocaine to government. And that is one of the things with this Trump administration, with Doge, is we need to… And I think we need to eliminate these grant programs. Let me know what you think about that. The text line is 720-605-0647. But I don’t think that’s the proper role of government. I think we lower taxes and we let people make their own decisions about which nonprofits they want to give to. And if that nonprofit is not performing the way you want it to, or is not doing the things that you want it to do, then you don’t have to give them money. And that way these nonprofits have to compete in the free market. Now we’ve seen with this whole refugee and asylee resettlement program, there have been charities that have lost their way because of all this government money. And we see reports of Lutheran Family Services, Catholic charities, where instead of living off of the charity of everyday people, they got in bed with government. And then government has specific agendas, particularly the O’Biden-Harris administration with the open border policies. And you can see how everything got upside down because that’s never the way it was supposed to be. So next, our bill of the day, Senate Bill 25-196, prime sponsor is Senator Iman Joda. And it is insurance coverage for preventative health care services. Sounds good, right? Well, cut, votes no. And this is what the position that our board took. It says cut members unanimously oppose this bill. The bill allows the Department of Regulatory Agencies to mandate insurance, hear that word, that’s that force word, mandate insurance coverage of certain preventative health care services in the event that federal organizations are repealed or modified. In particular, I think they’re probably focusing on abortion and transgender mutilation of our children, but that’s my editorial comment. It says, first, the bill is predicated on a hypothetical condition that the federal mandate for insurance to provide certain types of coverage is dropped. There is no assurance that this will occur, and if it does, this bill would leave Colorado in a position of having unique insurance mandates. This could drive out insurers and raise our costs and potentially force us into single government coverage. Second, CUP members are opposed to health insurance coverage mandates. It is not the proper role of government to impose requirements. Those two force words right there, mandates and requirements. into private contracts. People should be able to buy a bare-bones policy without unnecessary items for them. Third, it allows the unelected commissioner, again a bureaucrat, of insurance to determine the requirements, again there’s your force word, if the hypothetical condition occurs. These requirements would come from the Nurse Physician Advisory Task Force for Colorado Health Care, also unelected, and determining laws should be the exclusive duty of the legislature. Last, through the use of the safety clause, this bill makes the absurd claim that there is an immediate threat to peace, health, or safety. This bill is only addressing some imaginary future condition. And so that is our bill of the day. It is important that we have these discussions, and we have them because of our sponsors. And one of those sponsors is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And Roger and his team want you to feel safe and well-served and to understand your insurance coverage. Their office will respond to your caller text 24 hours a day. So for that 24-hour peace of mind, call Roger Mangan at 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. It is Tuesday, and during this legislative session, every Tuesday, we are… Just taking a look at what’s happening in Colorado with former state Senator Kevin Lundberg. He is the author of the Lundberg Report. Kevin Lundberg, welcome to the show.
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Well, thank you, Kim. It’s great being with you.
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Well, great to have you as well. And I know that you were at a meeting last night, but last night I had the great honor to moderate this. a forum with most of the candidates for the Colorado State GOP chairmanship. People can find that on Facebook at America’s Mom. But it was really a good forum and really appreciated the opportunity to get to do that because it’s important that the people of Colorado know the people that have stepped forward. And I want to say thank you to each candidate and their family for stepping forward for Colorado.
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Yeah, and I’m glad you included their family because it is a real big commitment on their part. I ran two years ago. I wasn’t successful. Well, maybe I was. Maybe I got the best answers. I got the run but didn’t have to serve. This is a big job. And yes, I certainly do add my commendations to all of them. They all have some some good things to bring forward and thoughts, but there’s a distinction between them, and it’s important that the people who will elect one of them to the chairmanship at the organizational meeting that’s scheduled for this Saturday for the Colorado GOP It’s important that they really look at the issues and look at the personalities and try to figure out, OK, who can do the best job in leading the party forward?
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Well, and I think that’s there’s big challenges here in Colorado. We are extremely divided here in Colorado. And that was one of the big questions was unity. And Kevin, I think the first thing let’s jump into because I. I called you as I was preparing the questions because I wanted to make sure that I had the question right. And even though I’ve had these discussions with you, I’m still a little fuzzy on the opt-out, the lawsuit. Several of the candidates talked about the cost of a lawsuit, that the state party doesn’t have any money. And so let’s try to give me some clarity on this again. Okay.
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Well, yeah, and we touched on this a little bit last week, and I realized that we need to dig a little bit deeper, particularly as the party is looking for the leadership for the next two years. You need to know what it is that’s happening here, and there are really two things. The opt-out—well, let me give you a little history first. I think that would be the best—is— uh in colorado we have actually what’s called a semi-open primary in that if you’re an unaffiliated voter you get a ballot in the primary election to the to both major parties the republican party and the democratic party now if you’re affiliated with a minor party you don’t get any ballot at all because minor parties kind of as a practical reality don’t have enough membership to go through the caucus and then the individual district assemblies and the state assembly and then all of the other elements that are involved within conducting a primary. So they are relegated to requiring to select their candidates strictly through the assembly process. And there is no ballot sent out to their membership. It’s up to the party to figure it out. Well, the opt out by current law allows either major party to opt out of the primary as well and select their candidates through an assembly process. So no ballots would go out if you opted out from the mechanism that we have in Colorado for voting.
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So no ballots would go out for the Republican primary. The Democrats, unless they opted out, they would still send out a Democrat ballot. Okay, got it.
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Yeah, and understand that this was all established by an initiative that was run back in 2016, promoted, I might add, by the same person who this last election cycle tried to get us to have what I call a jungle primary and a ranked choice voting system where there’s no primary of individual parties. It’s just one mass aggregate party or, excuse me, voting process in the primary. And quite fortunately, the people of Colorado saw through that and totally rejected that measure.
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And just a note on that, Kevin, is Kent Theory and company, and so there was other big money as well, they spent $15 million on this ranked choice voting. And it was because of grassroots voices like yours, like mine, my voter’s guide, and the fact that the people of Colorado saw through that, that was defeated, but they threw $15 million at that.
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Yeah. Well, and I make a point on that to simply SAY THAT THIS IS THE SAME GROUP WHO GAVE US THE SEMI-OPEN PRIMARY. THEY PUT THIS INITIATIVE TOGETHER BACK IN 2016. AND IT WAS ACCEPTED BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT, WELL, YEAH, I GUESS EVERYBODY OUGHT TO VOTE IN THE PRIMARY. WELL, THEY NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE ACTUAL MECHANICS OF THIS OR THE LEGAL ELEMENTS BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO THAT, then non-party members are actually selecting the candidates for that party to stand for election in the general election. And that happened back in the 90s in California. And so all of the major parties actually got together and said, that’s not right. And they ran it through the courts, ran it all the way to the Supreme Court. And in a decision made in 2000 called the Jones case, the Supreme Court said, you cannot force a private organization such as a political party to accept votes for their candidates from non-party members. You can’t force them to do that. So fast forward to 2016 when they came up with a semi-open primary idea, and they put in, and in order to circumvent that, they said, well, you can opt out of it. But what people don’t understand is an opt-out is an opt-out of the primary ballot process entirely and so you are and and that’s one thing people need to understand uh the second is that that the standard they put for opting out here in colorado is 75 percent of the total membership of the central committee and that’s several hundred people here in colorado have to vote to opt out in every election cycle. And the Colorado Republican Party has attempted to opt out. They hold a vote for that every two years, and they’ve been unsuccessful because that’s an unusually high
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uh yeah so just a couple of comments on this uh kevin lundberg i watched that very closely that and i think that might have been the first year that i did a voter’s guide i was somewhat of a novice but i looked at this and just my gut common sense said this is not a good idea But there were Republicans of the consultant class that were pushing this, and this big consultant operative was running this campaign for Kent Theory. And so I think that’s important to understand. They put this opt-out, this benchmark in there, which is nearly an impossibility, but I think they put that in there to circumvent that decision from California.
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Oh, absolutely. That’s why they incorporated that, but they made it so difficult to get to that you don’t get there. And I want to make two points on this. One is that most people don’t understand that opting out through that simply eliminates any primary election opportunity. as we see, and instead you’re relegated to the assembly process of some sort. And those who are promoting the opt-out here in the Republican Party of, okay, let’s go ahead and do it. Let’s use this component of this bad law and see if we can make lemonade out of it, basically. But Now, let me go to the lawsuit because that’s the exact opposite, really. Okay.
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And, Kevin, let’s keep that lawsuit because this is going to take a little bit of time. As our cliffhanger, I’m talking with Kevin Lundberg, author of the Lundberg Report, and we’re trying to get clarity for all of us because it’s a bit complicated on the opt-out side. and the closed primary. He’s explained the opt-out, I think, very clearly. And it’s opting out of the semi-open primary, which was passed by the people of Colorado in 2016 with Prop 108. Did I get that right, Kevin? Have we gotten that part right now?
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Yeah, I think we’re drilling down to the points of it. But yeah, let’s Let’s hold off until after the break here.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter, and you can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And as you know, I… I just totally support the USMC Memorial Foundation and all the work they’re doing to make the remodel of the Marine Memorial a reality. And they’re going to have their second annual Marine Memorial Golf Tournament Thursday, May 15th out at the Ridge at Castle Pines North. If you are a golfer, this would be a great opportunity to support the foundation, get to know some other people, golf a beautiful golf course. Be sure and check that out. You can get information about it by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Sign up early because they’re going to have a limited number of spots. So you’ll want to do that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. I’m talking with former State Senator Kevin Lundberg, the author of the Lundberg Report, which comes out every Saturday. Very, very well done. But we’re going through this opt-out of the open primary and the lawsuit. So we’ve talked about opt-out. Now… Kevin Lundberg, the lawsuit. Explain that to us.
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Yeah. And actually, if you’ll allow me to put a little one little footnote to to the opt out.
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Yes.
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And and that is we are trying to clarify the distinction between the two. And I will publicly admit that I’m not a real fan of the opt out because it’s it really will restrict IN MY OPINION, HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY SELECT CANDIDATES IF IT’S STRICTLY THROUGH AN ASSEMBLY PROCESS. BUT I’M GOING TO ALSO GRANT THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY PROMOTING THE OPT-OUT, AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY SAY, NO, LOOK, WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A SYSTEM WHERE THE PARTY CAN HAVE A SORT OF AN ENHANCED CAUCUS SYSTEM where people are very much encouraged to go and select the candidates that will run for office. So, you know, I want to give them a fair shake on they’ve got some intriguing ideas. I just think it’s a little complicated and will probably result in fewer Republicans actually participating at that level.
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So, Kevin, let me make a comment on this as well, because I’ve watched this from afar. And as you know, I’m watching legislation down at the Statehouse. And I think it’s important to let people know that those that – there are those on the Republican side that want to gut the caucus assembly process. And I think that’s something that we don’t hear often. And, in fact, I saw some of these Republicans that pushed legislation either last year or the year before and – People that are still down in office, down at the state legislature, on the Republican side. And so what that would mean is that if you gutted the assembly, the caucus assembly process, the only way to access the ballot would be via petitions. Well, it’s very expensive to… hire people to go out and get petitions signed so that people can get on to the ballot. But interestingly enough, the Republican consultant that is working for Kent Theory on these ballot issues also has a signature gathering firm that he would benefit significantly if it was only petition gathering because he’s got the business for gathering the petitions. I don’t think people understand that, Kevin.
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Yeah, that’s another dynamic. This is a pretty complicated system, and yet I think we do need to spend a moment there. We’ll get the lawsuit. Hang on, but I think you’ll understand it better after we go through all of this. I agree that there are some who don’t want the caucus system. And there have actually been several attempts through the last 20 years to remove that from our political process. And I’m grateful to say that the people of Colorado have rejected that every time it’s come up as a ballot proposal. And I, too, believe that the caucus system is a very important part of our political process in Colorado. This is where the individual citizen can have great impact on who is selected to represent them in the legislature and Congress and every other political office that is partisan in nature. I think it’s a great idea, and I think it’s worked very well. And it’s rather unique how we do it here in this state. And I think it’s superior to everything else I’ve seen in other states around the country. So those who get rid of it or want to get rid of it, I have a severe question as to whether they really want to empower the citizen or they just want to feather the nest of some special interest like you described there. And I brought all this up to say, look, I think there are some legitimate possibilities with an opt-out, but from my perspective, I’m not for it. And there’s another reason I’m not as well, because if you seek to opt out, what you’re doing is you’re simply complying to this law that that the lawsuit is challenging overall. So let’s move to the lawsuit. The lawsuit is saying, no, look, the U.S. Supreme Court decided back in 2000 that you cannot force a political party, which is a private organization, from accepting votes from non-members. And this opt-out mechanism that was put in the law is not functional. It’s Just not reasonable because one, it’s such a high standard to get there. And number two, you’re not opting out of a semi-open primary. You’re opting out of the primary system entirely. And it’s counterproductive for the lawsuit. to actually try to initiate something that complies with that law, especially after the multiple times that we’ve tried to just, you know, reach that standard of 75% of the total membership. And by the terms of the law, you have to do that every two years. So it puts, you know, just everything in a limbo unless you just flat out get rid of that bad law. Okay? And That’s what the lawsuit is doing. It’s challenging the constitutional authority of that law. And this is derived from the First Amendment, and it’s generally referred to legally as the freedom of association. So a private organization shouldn’t be forced to bring in people outside the organization for major decisions and believe me selecting your candidates is the major decision for uh political parties so uh and and the lawsuit we engaged in it actually started back in there was a resolution passed in september of 2021 um calling for a lawsuit that the uh the state chair and the leadership in the party drug their feet through that. And so they didn’t initiate that. But when we changed leadership, we finally did file the lawsuit in July of 2023. And so we’ve been going for almost two years with this lawsuit. And it’s at the federal level. It’s not challenging in the state courts because this is a constitutional question. And We’re moving through the process. We just completed the deposition stage where you collect official transcripts of people involved in the whole thing and are preparing for a possible trial later this year. Now, I say possible because it can take other twists and turns, but the inevitability is it’ll probably be appealed to uh to to the next level in the federal court system and in all probability it would end up a decision that the united states supreme court would need to wade in on i trust they would because this is more than colorado there are several states that have something similar that this would have a heavy impact on and in talking to the um the individual who’s running our legal effort, which is John Eastman. And he was, of course, President Trump’s attorney back in 2020, or one of them. John tells me that there are legal folks from all over the country that are watching this and intent on seeing if we can get this done so we can get back to better primaries than these open primaries that occur in so many states.
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So question on this, and this came up from several of the candidates last night on this candidate forum, which people can see that at America’s Mom on Facebook, is that the state GOP doesn’t have a lot of money, is what they said, and that lawsuits cost a lot of money. They’re right. And so they felt that instead of pursuing this lawsuit, that it would just take too much money for legal fees. What would you say to that?
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Well, I’d say that’s an excellent point or question that needs to be answered. But my answer is, can we afford not to? Look at what’s happened to the Republican Party since this semi-open primary system has occurred. How many… uh legislative bodies in the state like you know the board of regents the state’s uh school board the senate the house how many do do we have any control over none we have lost at just about every uh um well it’s just been a a terrible political circumstance and um there are Several factors you can look to, but to me, one of the major ones is we no longer have control over who we select as candidates. And this also has discouraged people from being either Republicans or Democrats. Colorado now has almost twice as many unaffiliated voters as those affiliated with the major parties. No, I’d say that we cannot afford to not pursue this. And remember, it’s unconstitutional. Now, let’s talk about the, can we afford it? Well, yes, we can if we have proper leadership that will push forward. We have been keeping the lawsuit going, but it’s been a task because the one thing they’re very correct on is it is an expensive process. It’s cost well over $100,000 thus far, and it will take much more to get there. But now let me throw one other element in here on the can we afford it if you are a candidate in a primary today in colorado uh for one of the major parties your voter universe is not just the members of your party but it’s this uh other group of voters the unaffiliated which currently are twice as many and your job i can tell you i’ve run 10 campaigns, and you look at the numbers, you say, okay, how many people do I need to talk to? How many mailers do I need to send out? How many things do I need to get to how many people? Well, today, if it’s an open primary, as a Republican or a Democrat, you have three times as many people that you have to communicate to than if it were a closed primary system. And so, Every candidate has to spend that much more. And by the way, they usually go through that consultant class you were talking about. So I wonder who’s really wagging the tail here. The thing we cannot afford to do is continue with the same system where we fail to elect the right people and and where. the candidates themselves are faced with this daunting hurdle of trying to communicate to all the people in their district, the voters or nearly, rather than their party members when they’re at the primary level. No, I totally reject that. I think that’s buying into the idea that this open primary is a really good idea. And anybody who says that is not speaking in the best interest of the party. Now, one more thing on the fundraising is this is not just a matter for the state party. Yes, the state party is who has to fund, who has to be at the lead and essentially responsible for paying the bills. But with proper leadership, and this is how we funded it thus far, is people have stepped up and said, here, here’s $100, here’s $50, here’s $5,000, here’s $10,000. We’ve had some generous donors, but we need more, and we need to communicate it more clearly. And if we can interact together overall for the party, I believe that there are some dollars out there nationally that would be interested. In other words, people dedicated to… to seeing the election process work properly for the Republican Party, who would contribute as well. But I’m sorry. I’ve been around this block long enough to know that a lot of people, not just here in Colorado but elsewhere in the know, shake their head in disbelief and say the Colorado GOP needs to get organized and get unified and get back on track with the— pointing their guns at the enemy, which are those people pushing political ideas that are destroying our country. And that’s, you know, I’m trying to gently say the Democrats rather than each other.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And as you know, I was down at the Center for American Values in Pueblo emceeing this great event last week with Dr. Walt Larimore regarding his book At First Light, which is about his father and World War II hero. You can watch that view on demand at AmericanValueCenter.org. And while you’re there, be sure and support them because of the great work they’re doing. And then this next Tuesday is Medal of Honor Day. day. Wait, I guess that’s today. Today’s Medal of Honor. Is today the 25th?
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Yes, ma’am, it is.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Today’s Medal of Honor Day. I can’t believe how fast time goes. Today is Medal of Honor Day. And today, 12 to 5, down at the Center for American Values, they will have a special open house. Drew Dix, Medal of Honor recipient, will be there. And he’s going to be on the show on Friday to talk about this as well. And, again, get more information by going to AmericanValuesCenter.org, AmericanValuesCenter.org. I tell you what, Kevin Lumberg, time’s going way too quickly for me. I can’t believe it’s the 25th of March.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s going almost as quickly as a radio show with you. Time disappears when we’re having fun.
SPEAKER 13 :
It does. Now, Kevin, you mentioned something. I’ve heard this. Heidi Ganahl was at our Colorado Union of Taxpayers meeting last week. She said this. I heard one of the candidates say this last night. So we know this. Here in Colorado, the unaffiliated voters, 60% of them lean Democrat, 40% lean Republican. So you have unaffiliateds. And they may have their Democrat candidate who they want to be the candidate, but they’re getting a Republican ballot. And so they could vote over here in the Republican primary, where when they get to the general, they probably have no intention whatsoever voting for that Republican. And that’s 60% of the unaffiliated voters. I think that it’s a recipe for disaster for
SPEAKER 06 :
to have them voting in the primary i know you see that a little differently but boy that doesn’t seem like it makes sense to me uh you’re quite correct and and i’d i’d uh to use the cooking analogy take another step forward it’s already baked into the system because that’s the way it works here in colorado and we we’ve got to throw that recipe out and get back to what did work, which is Republicans vote for Republican candidates and put Republican candidates forward in the general election. And for the Democrats, the same thing. You know, that’s what needs to occur to have a good system for selecting candidates that we vote for. Now, be aware that a lot of states have gone the exact opposite direction, and they’ve gone to this jungle primary idea where you get a ballot and it’s got everybody on there, and that’s, you know, so we’ve got to be constantly on guard. It’s not, and I say that because if we’re successful with the lawsuit and they determine that the current law doesn’t work, well, I know that there are those folks out there who are going to jump up and say, well. Let’s let’s do do the open primary. I know we rejected it, but that that was I think they were reaching for too much by putting that and the ranked choice voting together in this last measure. And I’m glad they did because we we killed it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, it is amazing. And again, they threw 15 million dollars at that. And again, that Republican consultant was running that campaign for Kent Theory.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and let me get back to one other element that we haven’t quite touched on, and that is the significance of people being affiliated with a party. This whole system has incentivized the average voter to not join either party because they think, hey, I get two ballots, I get more choices, and you’re right. If you’re on the left or you’re on the right, you can play games with the other side by selecting their worst candidate possibility. And for the party to be healthy and strong, it needs to have members who can really be a meaningful part of the process. And far too many voters have decided, eh, I’ll just unaffiliate and we’ll see what happens. Now, traditionally, you mentioned it’s kind of a 60-40 split. That’s what we’ve seen through the years I think that might be changing slightly because so many Republicans have abandoned ship. But it’s still, on the unaffiliated side, it has kind of leaned to the left, you might say. And so, yeah, and that’s probably why the Ds have prospered in this, because… Now they’ve got this unaffiliated pool that not only helps them pick their candidates, but helps them. helps them kind of scramble up on the Republican side for primaries.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. And Kevin, I want to change gears. This goes so quickly, but Zach has always said, Kim, if you say you’re going to talk about something in the newsletter, you have to talk about it. And the thing that I really teased with for this Tuesday, and we only have two minutes, is your piece in your Lumberg report, regarding wolves can’t seem to read maps. There was a wolf that was introduced into Colorado that was killed legally and properly up in Wyoming by authorities 400 miles from where it was released. Apparently these wolves cannot read maps. Your quick comment on that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and that’s 400 miles in Colorado. So yeah, one of the wolves that was released here in Colorado goes up to the middle of Wyoming, kills a bunch of sheep. Oh, by the way, that’s what’s happening in Colorado, too. I just thought this was just a perfect example of how absurd our policies are. And I’ll leave you with this. So in Wyoming, what did they do? They killed the wolf. The authorities in Colorado said, quote, We will deploy non-lethal wolf livestock conflict minimization measures. That’s their answer to livestock being killed. We’ll talk to the wolves and say, pretty please don’t do that. Colorado’s got some weird policies in place and we need to fix it. Okay, I’ll spin back to we need to fix it by Republicans picking Republican candidates so they can put in good sense policies for the state of Colorado.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think you’ve nailed it there, Kevin Lundberg. And that’s a job in Colorado I would not want, and that is wolf whisperer. I don’t think that’s going to work out very well. Kevin Lundberg, it always goes so quickly. We’ll talk with you again next week, and I appreciate it. And again, have people check out KevinLundberg.com and the Lundberg Report. We’ll talk next week. Thank you. Our quote for the end of the show is from John Locke. He said, the end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom. For in all the states of created beings capable of law, where there is no law, there is no freedom. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice. and the American Way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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indeed let’s have a conversation and welcome to our number two of the kim monson show thank you so much for joining us you’re each treasured you’re valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history thank you to the team that’s producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike theresa amanda and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And a great show planned for you today. Our featured guest in this hour number two will be Producer Joe, Producer Luke. We’re going to start our book review of The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. That’ll be here in the next segment. But in the meantime, check out our website. That is kimmonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter while you’re there. You’ll get first look at our upcoming guests and most recent essays that rolls out on Sundays. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. And the text line is 720-605-0647. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Ultimately, socialism is not about free stuff. The free stuff is just the reason that they try to get you to vote for it. It’s such a bad idea that ultimately it has to come down to force. And again, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. On the show, we focus on the issues. We’ll talk about the people pushing those issues, but not the personalities. And I know I teased it and I did not give the name of this Republican operative that has been working with Kent Theory regarding messing around, I would say, with our Colorado elections. And this Republican operative also has a petition gathering firm and they’re trying to push only petition way to get onto the ballots via petitions huh connect that dot and that is Josh Penry and company so you will uh you probably wanted the name on that and that is who that Republican operative is our word of the day is plethora and thank you to Eric for that suggestion and it is spelled P-L-E-T-H-O-R-A. It could be an abundance or excess of something or it could be an excess of blood in the circulatory system or in one organ or area. We’ll use definition number one with the plethora of bills and resolutions that have been Introduced down at the State House, it is truly a bill mill down there. There is no way that this is representative government. And when we talked to Representative Rebecca Kelty yesterday, she talked about the Democrats shutting down a debate, Republican voices. I thought that’s what government was supposed to be, is that we have debate so that we can get to the best decision for we the people. But that’s not happening down at the State House. And that is not the way government is supposed to work. so plethora of bills down there and let’s see I checked this this morning from our bill track 50 as of this morning there were 558 bills and resolutions that have been proposed down at the state house I think the last day of this session will be May 6th I think that that’s what representative Kelty said The Colorado Union of Taxpayers has taken positions on 216 of those bills. We would love to have you join us and support us. It’s an all-volunteer group, and you can do that by going to coloradotaxpayer.org. That is coloradotaxpayer.org. Your challenge is to use the word plethora in a sentence today. And again, thank you to Eric for that suggestion. Our quote of the day is from John Locke, born in 1632, died in 1704. And he was an English philosopher and physician who was very influential in the Scottish Enlightenment and also with some of the other philosophers. oh, people, I would say, Voltaire, Rousseau, but also he really was very instrumental in the United States Declaration of Independence. And he said, well, the people that wrote it, he said this, John Locke, the people cannot delegate to government the power to do anything which would be unlawful for them to do themselves. And I’ll let you just ruminate on that today. our bill of the day senate bill 25 196 this prime sponsor on this is iman joda and its insurance coverage for preventative health care services and cut colorado union of taxpayers is a no on this we unanimously oppose this bill and the bill allows the department of regulatory agencies to mandate insurance coverage It’s predicated on a hypothetical condition. It has health insurance coverage mandates, and it includes the safety clause. 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I hosted that last night, and most all of the candidates for state GOP were there, and you can check that out at America’s Mom on Facebook, and that is posted there. uh let’s see the next thing i wanted to mention is and this is a little bit of a brouhaha and this is donald trump has requested and this is from cnn that his portrait be replaced down at the colorado capitol because the president claims that it’s distorted And I think it’s subtle. It makes his face look much fatter than I think that it really is. And anyway, he says this is distorted. And my friends, these little subtleties, I know there are those that are saying, oh my gosh, he’s just a narcissist. He just wants a particular portrait there. But he understands that these little things really matter. And so you can have an artist that can distort things a little bit. It may not be as flattering. And with all of the rhetoric out there by the radical activist left, which is controlling the statehouse, then all of these little things play in together. And Donald Trump realizes this. So this is not about him. This is about the messaging and the branding. And he knows that there are hundreds of schoolchildren that go down to the statehouse. There’s hundreds of visitors that go down to the statehouse. He realizes that having an unflattering portrait there sends a subtle message. So he is on that. I will say that those on the left also understand that these subtle messages are important, and that’s why they did it. And so the CNN article goes on to say, a painting of Donald Trump hanging with other presidential portraits at the Colorado State Capitol. will be taken down after Trump claimed that his was purposely distorted, according to a letter obtained by the Associated Press. House Democrats said in a statement that the oil painting would be taken down at the request of Republican leaders in the legislature. Now, Colorado Republicans raised more than $10,000 through a GoFundMe account to commission the oil painting, which was unveiled in 2019. So Republicans raised the money to hire an artist to paint a portrait that was somewhat distorted. Something’s wrong with that picture, don’t you think? This artist also did a portrait of Obama, which is construed as very favorable. So this article goes on to say, Senator Minority Leader Paul Lundin, Republicans said that he requested for Trump’s portrait to be taken down and replaced by one that depicts his contemporary likeness. For example, that maybe do a portrait of him after, you know, the one after he had been arrested, I think that it was. And then the Democrats said if the GOP wants to spend time and money on which portrait of Trump that hangs in the Capitol, then that’s up to them. Yes, they should have that right. So this may seem like a nothing burger. It’s actually a very important burger. because it is the subtle branding. It’s not about narcissism. It’s not about, oh, I wish I had a great portrait. It’s about the message that is sent to all of the people and students that visit the Colorado Capitol. And I think it’s important that we understand that. These discussions happen because of our sponsors. And John Bozen with Bozen Law is traveling this week. But he wanted to, I just wanted to mention that if you’ve been injured, you really want them on your side of the table. There are many firms out there that they’re quote unquote called ambulance chasers. That is not Bozen Law. They are looking out for your best interest. They are willing to go to trial. If need be, they won’t just settle for an amount of money. They’ll go to trial if they have to. And so if you’ve been injured, you want to make sure that you reach out to John Bozen and the Bozen Law Firm. 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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is because of these sponsors that our independent voice on this independent station comes to you as we are fighting for Colorado to reclaim Colorado and searching for truth and clarity. Before we get to these young guys, our producers, producer Joe had a thought regarding the Donald Trump portrait down at the Colorado State Capitol. that Trump claims is somewhat distorted. And you had a thought on this, Producer Joe.
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Yes, ma’am. I was just thinking about like in the military code of conduct, you’re not allowed to detract from yourself, the uniform, but you’re also not allowed to say anything negative about your commander in chief. But generally, that’s kind of what that is doing in a portrait way.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think so. It’s distorting it and being somewhat disrespectful. So thank you for that thought on that. So pleased to have on the line with me producer Luke and then producer Joe is behind the board. And I love the fact that these guys, they’re both 26 years old. producers here at Crawford Broadcasting, have been real sports about these book reviews, and it just kind of evolved. And we finished, completed the book that I had chosen, which was Henry Hazlitt’s Economics in One Lesson, and Fair is Fair. And so producer Luke has chosen our next book, which is The Prince. And then producer Joe, the book you want to follow up with is Marx’s Communist Manifesto, which is going to be super interesting as well. So I love the fact that you guys are great sports on this, Producer Joe.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, he’s been mentioned so much in the news and stuff lately. I think it would be cool to kind of look over it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so we will do that after we go through The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. And Producer Luke, this is the book that you have selected. So set this up for us, a bit about the book and why you wanted to do this as our next book review.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely. Well, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it greatly. For the print, I think there’s a couple reasons. I wanted to sort of dig into it. One, because I had read it sort of on my own personally, and I think both sort of the context and the ideas are interesting. I’m not going to say I agree or disagree with any of them because it all gets into some very – Some of it’s a bit more nitty gritty into the historical element. But I think the ideas that get presented are very unique and also sort of Nicola Machiavelli and the Prince in general is kind of considered almost essential reading for people who find themselves sort of interested in the history of policy and sort of maintaining nations and stuff like that. But before I get a little too into the weeds on it, I think there’s some sort of important historical context that kind of needs to be taken into account as we go through it. First and foremost, The Prince was only ever published after Nicola Machiavelli’s death, but it was written way back. I think it was… I wish I had my notes physically on me. I’m driving into the office at the moment, so I… Very well, can’t look at them. But it was written sort of in approximately the 1400s. So as we sort of go through the chapter, there’s a lot of talk about principalities and sort of mercenaries and armies and a lot of very sort of period-specific elements that are important to keep in mind. But additionally, Machiavelli himself, sort of the history that’s not discussed in the prints, I think is very relevant to the content within the prints. Machiavelli himself was a pretty prominent political writer for quite some time. He was an advisor for a number of rulers, and a couple pieces that I think really help sort of inform what the prints really is about is keeping in mind sort of two major events, really three major events that Machiavelli witnessed that sort of informed this writing. The first being, well, I guess for a little bit more context, Machiavelli himself was a member of one of the sort of lesser ruling families. He was a noble prince, in essence, though the book isn’t for him. he was someone of some rapport within the sort of upper echelon of Florence, Italy. He also sort of during his time there had witnessed a sort of very short-lived republic that had sort of risen up and overthrown the sort of current governing system, and that didn’t last very long before it was replaced again. He also was in Rome for Caesar’s reign. And he famously, he had written another piece about sort of the downfall of Caesar, who was, you know, famously killed by his Senate. And I think another sort of important piece to keep in mind is when Caesar did fall and Caesar’s reign was come to an end. Nicola Machiavelli celebrated it and said almost specifically that Caesar gets what he deserves because he’s a rebel against Christ. And then the sort of third very important informs a lot of his writing, is when he eventually returns to Florence, Italy, after many, many years on mission and sort of going out and writing and doing these political pieces. He’s imprisoned and tortured on sort of these charges of conspiracy, which never really held up. And then he writes The Prince. And so I think Another sort of important thing to keep in mind is I’m sure some people, even if you’re not familiar with the prints or Nicola Machiavelli’s writings themselves, you might often hear someone be referred to as a Machiavellian. It’s almost derogatory. It’s a kind of popular phrase. maybe not so much anymore, but it sort of references a person who sort of views situations in an ends-justify-the-means kind of manner, which is, I think, a lot of what the prints sort of encapsulate. But I also think that maybe it’s a little misconstrued, because Machiavelli’s other writings aren’t nearly as malicious. He wrote two other pieces specifically on maintaining and keeping republics, which are a bit more good-natured. They’re directed towards his friends. They’re a bit more of a discourse. The Prince, specifically, was written in this sort of state of anger. Machiavelli himself had just recently witnessed all of these incredible failures of rulership to then come back home and then immediately be imprisoned and tortured by the people who ruled over him. So I think when, again, something to keep in mind, when Machiavelli wrote The Prince and a lot of the ideas expressed sort of therein are less so his specific ideas on what he thinks is the best way to achieve sort of rulership or how to deal with policy. Really, I think what the prince sort of details is a way to – it’s almost like an insult, like a tongue-in-cheek kind of reproach of rulership in a way to inform the people under that rulership the sort of conniving methods and methodologies a lot of these bad rulers use. So it’s framed not in that way. It is framed as a here’s what I think you should do, when really I think the message is here is what they currently do, and you all need to be aware of it, which I think is very important as we sort of go into, because I don’t want the sort of context of the work to be misconstrued.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so Luke, I wanted to go through this again just a little bit. Machiavelli lived 1469 to 1527. And you referenced three things that you said really affected him. And just go through those again. But you mentioned Caesar’s reign. And Caesar’s reign ended about a thousand years before then. So I didn’t quite understand that connection. So help me out on that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sorry. No, different Caesar. My bad. Not the Caesar that the Senate killed. Different Caesar. Rome has a lot of rulers that share a lot of the same names. I’ll try and get the specific number of that Caesar in particular. Okay. Okay. But it was a different Caesar whose reign collapsed in on himself. Which is kind of ironic because, you know.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. And so we’re going to go to break, but Luke set this up one more time. The three major events was, what was the first one?
SPEAKER 08 :
The first one was a failed uprising in Florence, Italy, that formed a very short-lived republic. The second one was the fall of Caesar in Rome, and then the third one was his return to Florence, Italy, and then subsequent imprisonment and torture on charges of conspiracy.
SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, if something’s a good idea. Shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And do check out the USMCMemorialFoundation.org, their website. They are going to have their second Marine Memorial Golf Tournament Thursday, May 15th. It will be out at the Ridge in Castle Pines. It is a great way to support the Marine Memorial Tournament. meet some great people, and have a great round of golf. And so check all that out at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Pleased to have on the line with me, Producer Luke. Producer Joe is behind the boards. We are doing our book review. First chapter on this, setting this all up, is The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. And Producer Joe, you’ve done a little bit of research regarding our conversation in the previous segment.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, ma’am, I did. So The Prince was written in 1513, was never published until 1532, about five years after his death. But I also found out… So he refers to Caesar in kind of a fictionalized way, and so he wasn’t there to account it, but he was also referred to Caesar Borgia, who he used as an example of that… um, uh, successive line where, um, they get power just by having the name.
SPEAKER 08 :
What, what? Borgia is the, uh, Caesar Borgia is the Caesar that I was referencing. He, um, Machiavelli, you have to forgive me. I’m kind of pulling from, uh, from memory cause I don’t have my notes. Uh, Machiavelli sort of helped bring Caesar Borgia to power. I think he sort of, uh, uh uh what’s the word i want to use uh he really like advocated for caesar borgia uh and then when that rain sort of collapsed and uh began falling through machiavelli felt sort of in part responsible for the failures of that leadership uh and that is caesar borgia which i believe was the son of one of the popes uh or related to one of the pups uh pope julius the second if memory serves But again, it’s been a while. And then sort of the other piece he went for Machiavelli, another piece that kind of informs, I think, a lot of his sort of military standpoint is he advocated for the removal of mercenaries from, I believe, this is when he was in Florence, Italy, the sort of current ruler of the prince, you know, the king of However, in that sort of space was housing and sort of keeping a band of mercenaries as like their standing army. Machiavelli was able to persuade them to disband those mercenary gangs. And then Machiavelli himself personally. established a militia in its place. Very interesting life, by the way, again, which isn’t detailed really in the print, but well worth looking into just because of the sort of breadth of activities that man got up to. Very, very interesting stuff.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, guys, I love this. And I think I’ve shared with many of you, I have one semester of college. And so I’ve never read the book, The Prince. So this is a great exercise for me to be going through this with you. And looking up Caesar Borgia, this is from Wikipedia. It says he was a Roman Catholic deacon, cardinal, and later an Italian priest. He was the illegitimate son of Pope Alexander VI of the Aragonese House of Borgia and was a sibling to Lucretia Borgia. So there’s that history there. Okay, there are those… that have looked to the Prince, I think, as different public policies. And so let’s start on this. And I found the preface at least in the edition that I have. In a way, I felt, Luke, that they were trying to make an apology for some of the things that Machiavelli said. And this is written by Luigi Ricci. And it said, for a true appreciation of Machiavelli, impossible in a brief preface, I must refer to the English reader Macaulay’s essay on the Italian historian and statesman. In it, he will see how our author’s ideas and work were wrongfully and willfully misinterpreted by the very men who, while profiting from his wisdom, have with great ingratitude criticized the statesman and defamed his name as that of the inventor of the worst political system ever imagined. I found that super interesting, Producer Luke.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I think it’s kind of double down on the very ideas he was trying to present in general, where the context of the sort of writings in the prints are, here are the tactics that rulers and the people in charge of you use to manipulate you, right? Here are their mindsets. Here are the things they’re thinking, and here’s how it differs from yours. It’s sort of like, really like opening the book on all of the underhanded tactics a lot of rulers use. So I think it’s kind of apt that rulers then come and misconstrue his work and frame him as this evil mastermind to sort of push that burden off of them, where he’s gone through all the effort to expose these nefarious actions, only to have really everything they do kind of supplanted on, not supplanted, but sort of planted on him, and he’s sort of used as the scapegoat for these ideas, even though they’ve been doing it themselves this whole time.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Producer Joe, you said you had a comment, and then we’ve got a comment from Yvonne that I think is super important.
SPEAKER 10 :
Just kind of piggybacking off of Luke there, this was written in such a way that it was very much matter of fact. It was just, here are the details of the situation. And so, widely for a long time, he was not very much liked. But I think it really plays into now, especially with the freedom that we have in America, that… He kind of revealed all the secrets. And so we agree. And I think I see a lot of comparisons from what he says just due to the fact that he stated it and said, here’s the tactics they use.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. And this is from Yvonne. I love this. She says, flag on the field. If we’re reviewing the book, it is the book that not all the backstory. And to her point, now I’ve done quite a bit of study of Martin Luther, who was the founder, basically, of the Protestant Reformation. And I’ve done a lot of reading, so many things I agree with him upon. And I have not read this, so disclaimer, but my understanding is, is later in his life, that he had written some things that were anti-Semitic. And so I think that I’m just mentioning that because I think that we have to understand that there’s different writings out there. But let’s take the book as the book. And thank you, Yvonne, for that point on that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Can I put a flag on the flag?
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. What’s your flag on the flag?
SPEAKER 08 :
My flag on the flag is ideas don’t exist in a vacuum. I think the only reason these discussions make sense is because it requires this sort of historical context and then also the modern context. I think backstory is not just important, but sort of understanding not just the time period, but the mindset and the current conflicts of the time are absolutely essential to really sort of framing the discussions within the book itself. I mean, arguing about ideas is fine and all, but the print itself is a discourse on ruling principalities within the time period. So understanding How those principalities function during the time period in Machiavelli’s personal relationship with said principalities is very important.
SPEAKER 13 :
So, excellent point, Producer Luke. Can I put a flag on the flag on the flag? How’s that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, by all means.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m guessing. So I realize that many of our colleges and universities have become somewhat indoctrinating, I think. And so if you have studied the book, and again, I don’t know, but let’s say that you are in In college, you study the book The Prince. Do you think that – and I guess it would be different from professor to professor – but do you think that those professors that are pushing for the Machiavellian idea of government and this description of what government is and not really even looking to our American founding and how – how that matches up with these different types of governments. Do you think that this is being presented to students as just the book, or do you think that they’re getting the whole context of what you’re just discussing, which I do think is important, Luke?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, I have no idea. I also never read this book in college. I sort of found it on my own, and then sort of, I think the version I had was mostly just the writings, with a much shorter prelude, I believe, and then sort of after that prelude, I did some additional research on Machiavelli’s life, just because I found it sort of personally very fascinating. And though the book does kind of detail some elements of his past, But I think not giving the backstory, sort of like you said, if the writings are framed as just the writings without the context, then Machiavelli is viewed as this ends justify the means sort of author of evil. If you have the backstory, it reframes the entire book into this. No, he is not authoring evil. He is revealing the evil’s other use, uh, which is sort of how I think it’s meant to be interpreted. Again, it was never published, and it’s not like we have any sort of anecdotes from the author himself. He’s been dead for quite some time. But I think sort of given the context and the history, the other writings he’s written and made, that this one being so different and so kind of out of left field, it’s very easy to understand that this writing is sort of meant to be interpreted in that way and not just taken as the plain text.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so Luke and Joe, I’m going to posit this question. Maybe that’s going to be a word of the day. What do you think? I haven’t used that word in a long time. Hey, thanks, guys. Okay, so Luke, point well taken, context. I have seen that our founders of America have been framed by those on the left as old, rich, white guys with only their interests in mind, many of them slave owners. And because of that, then they try to discount the complete founding of the United States of America, discount the Declaration, discount the Constitution. I think that to your point, context is important. And I’m going to send this over to producer Joe first. Context regarding our American founding is, first of all, a constitutional representative government, which was put in place with the Constitution and never been tried before, ever, in the history of man, mankind. So it’s pretty unique in that. And yes, these were… Many of them old, rich, white guys. But they were putting their lives and their fortunes and their sacred honor on the line, and that is the last line of the Declaration. Other point, context. Slavery was prevalent throughout the world. And so it’s pretty remarkable that at this time, this little country, these little 13 colonies on the eastern seaboard would say, we are creating a country that’s based on this idea that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. The context is slavery was prevalent throughout the world at that time. And they realized that that vision of the Declaration and slavery could not exist in the same space. But they also realized that in order to have the unity for the Revolutionary War, that they would have to kick that decision down the road a little bit. And I think, first of all, Producer Joe, I think a lot of our young people do not get that context of our founding, and I think that that’s super important. Joe, I’ll go to you, and then I’ll go to you, Producer. Actually, we’ll go to you, Joe. You know what? Let’s leave it as a hanger, a cliffhanger, okay? And before we do that… I think it is so important that we honor those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our liberty, for our freedom. And really a fun way that you can honor them is by supporting the USMC Memorial Foundation and their golf tournament, which is May 15th. So get more information on that. Go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. These discussions happen because of our sponsors. For everything mortgages, reach out to Lauren Levy.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. I do thank the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. It’s because of all of these sponsors that our independent voice on this independent station is searching for truth and clarity each and every day. And today, March 25th, is Medal of Honor Day. And down at the Center for American Values in Pueblo. which is known as the home of heroes because there’s four Medal of Honor recipients that grew up in Pueblo. It must be the water down there. I don’t know what it is exactly. But today is Medal of Honor Day, and they’re going to have a very special open house. Drew Dix, Medal of Honor recipient, will be there. That’s from 12 to 5 down at the Center for American Values. on the beautiful Riverwalk in Pueblo. And more information, go to AmericanValuesCenter.org, AmericanValuesCenter.org. Talking with producers Luke, producer Joe, they’re both 26 years old, love having these discussions regarding our book reviews. We are starting a book review of The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. And we were talking about context, context of how Machiavelli had written the book, what was going on around that. Then I mentioned context around our American founding and how there are those that don’t use the context and just try to put this narrative out with our young people that it was just old rich white guys writing. looking out for their own best interests and slave owners that wrote the Declaration and founded our country. And it was much more complicated than that. I just gave some context. Producer Joe, going to you first. Context. What’s your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I think there’s a few things to note about it, especially George Washington was known to have slaves, but he was also known to be very kind to his slaves. And so generally speaking, not all slave owners are the same. And that was kind of the point and why they kicked it down the road. But also with that, when they wrote the Constitution, they were trying to prevent a totalitarian rule. So Machiavelli in the first chapter mentions there are two types of rulers, new rulers and hereditary rulers, like a good – Example that is current for a hereditary ruler is the Queen of England and the monarchy in England. It generally is just passed down through lineage, whereas we were trying to prevent that in America. And so we had to make it. difficult for one person to maintain staying in that position for long periods of time and that’s our terms and that’s where i i find it very um important to note that they uh we’re trying to prevent just one person being there at all time okay thank you for your view on context producer luke your comments regarding context
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, talk about popular discourse. Let’s look at the Second Amendment. Anyone who knows me knows I’m a very big Second Amendment guy, right? If I could privately own an F-35 fighter jet, I would. And I think you should be able to. I’m a very big Second Amendment person. And that’s, I think, the most context-sensitive sort of piece. in our Constitution. You’d think shall not be infringed is self-explanatory, but time and time again… Not in Colorado, Producer Luke. Exactly. Especially in Colorado, sort of relatively recently with all these new bills being passed through. I feel like there’s this issue, this argument that keeps getting pushed by people who just don’t understand that, you know, why do you need an AR-15 and 30-round mag for hunting and fishing? Well, the Second Amendment… wasn’t for hunting. The context of the Second Amendment is we had just fought a war. It was to fight people. It was, you know, to rise up against a tyrannical government should one ever come about in these United States. The context of the Second Amendment is critical to understanding the purpose of the Second Amendment. Why does any citizen need a weapon of war? Well, if the government tries to do anything to hurt you, you need to be able to fight the military or fight an invading army, anything like that. So context, I think, is very, very critical, especially in that, especially recently, especially with all this discourse around the Colorado gun laws that are coming about.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and to your point, and I say this, is that we have the Second Amendment so that everyday people can protect ourselves and our families from bad actors. So that could be some bad actor trying to get into your house, but that could be a bad actor that is totally flouting the Constitution and, as you mentioned, tyrannical government. And the founders put it in there, and you’re absolutely correct on that, Producer B. Joe, you had a comment.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, I just kind of wanted to connect what Luke was saying about the Second Amendment and kind of what I was saying about the slave owners. Generally, the founding fathers tried to write the Constitution in such a way that it could block the bad, but generally… There’s no way to block all evil and there’s no way to block all good. So at the end of the day, I think it is just people and whether they’re morally doing good or morally doing wrong. And so with these gun bills and stuff, it’s showing some sort of moral wrong.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good point. I’ve got to think about that just a little bit. So they realized, I think, Luke, the founders realized that human nature could be good, but it could be bad. And so they put in place this government to separate the powers to try to make sure that we ultimately recognize the rights of the individual. But we have just a few minutes left. And chapter one of The Prince by Machiavelli says, the various kinds of government and the ways by which they are established. And he says, all states and dominions which hold or have held sway over mankind are either republics or monarchies. And my question is, are they? I don’t think that he, because it hadn’t been created yet, I don’t think he’d really thought about a constitutional, democratically elected republic. That was what was so revolutionary about our founding. So what do you think about that, Luke?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I think you’re definitely right about that in the sense that America hadn’t existed yet. Something like this really, for the most part, hadn’t been done before. So I think up until that time, any sort of… ruling element that Machiavelli would have been exposed to probably did either fall into monarchies or republics. However, I think it’s also very interesting when he goes about and explains in chapter two more hereditary principalities. Even though we in America are not a monarchy, I’ve noticed we’ve sort of fallen into this almost pseudo-monarchy regardless. You heard it a lot during the Biden administration. It was the oh-Biden administration, right? Biden wasn’t really running the show. It was Obama’s guy, or, you know, who’s really telling Biden what to do? And then, you know, say when Biden goes out, it falls to Kamala Harris. Well, who’s really telling what Kamala Harris used to do? None of these people are related by blood, but they’re so… I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT THAT IT’S TIGHTLY KNIT AND TIGHTLY KNIT AND CONNECTED TOGETHER THAT IT mentions as well sort of hereditary principalities in Chapter 2, that it’s easier for hereditary princes to rule over because people are familiar with the rule, which sort of comes into this, not to jump too far ahead, but it’s interesting to sort of see the parallels even though we’re not in that style of government anymore.
SPEAKER 13 :
Boy, that’s a really interesting point that you bring up on that, Producer Luke. And we are just about out of time. We are going to continue this discussion each month. We have this book review. Producer Joe, how do you want to wrap this up for you? And then we’ll go to Luke. You’ve got about a minute.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I just I had never thought about it that way, Luke. But kind of further thinking about it, you have these kind of noble ideas. ish families like the kennedys like it just kind of some families stay generally down the line and they get to like i don’t think robert kennedy would have gotten his spot if there wasn’t a established uh family before him and so it’s very interesting to think about okay thank you producer joe and producer luke about a minute your final thought
SPEAKER 08 :
I really look forward to really digging into the meat and potatoes of this book. And I’d ask the audience to be a little patient as it gets into more historically, you know, like period specific bits. But I think as we’ve seen with the sort of discussion of monarchies, it’s very easy, scarily so, easy to apply these ideas to the modern culture, even though we think we’ve moved away from those things. So I really look forward to, I mean, really getting into it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, I’m just thrilled with this as well. And again, that’s producer Joe, producer Luke. And we are studying the book, The Prince. Why don’t you guys all get that as well? And you can be texting me. Thank you to Yvonne. Thank you to Susan. Thank you to Jenny. Thank you for Sandra. And thank you to Mark for all of you coming in on the text line with your thoughts on this. And we’ll do this again next month. I really appreciate it. John Locke is our quote for the end of the show. He said this, the end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom. For in all the states of created beings capable of law, where there is no law, there is no freedom. My gosh, guys, we could talk about that as well. Today, my friends, be grateful. Read great books. Think good thoughts. Listen to beautiful music. Communicate endlessly well. Live honestly and authentically. Strive for high ideals and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And I’d highly recommend that all of you get the book, The Prince, and we are going to schedule the young guys for next month. And again, I’d love to have you on my lifeline here with these young, brilliant guys regarding The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. And we’ve got another great show planned for you tomorrow. We’ll talk to you then.
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