Join Kim as we navigate through complex legislative landscapes with Senator Mark Baisley. From protecting taxpayer rights to analyzing Colorado’s legislative efforts on transgender protections, this episode offers insights into the state and national implications of policy decisions. With fascinating discussions on energy, insurance, and the importance of independent voices in media, listeners are encouraged to ponder on the true meaning of liberty and responsible governance.
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And our naturally occurring fossil fuels have been under attack from this whole Green New Deal and from the World Economic Forum. And we’ve seen that play out in the media, in our culture, through legislation, through bureaucrats. And what that means is that our everyday way of life has been under attack. The Trump 2 administration recognizes that, and they are working to drill, baby drill, shovel, baby shovel, and all within being very responsible on that. And so that’s why I think for a great conversation on that, take a look at AClimateConversation.com. which is a documentary that I had the honor to moderate. It is the project of Walt Johnson. You can watch it for free by going over to aclimateconversation.com and check that out there. Our word of the day is malevolent, and it is spelled, again, malevolent, M-A-L-E-V-O-L-E-N-T. It’s an adjective. It could be having or exhibiting ill will, wishing harm to others or malicious. But number two, having a harmful influence. Or number three, wishing evil, disposed to injure others, rejoicing in another’s misfortune. And I think there are those in this whole transgender extremist activist agenda that are malevolent in having ill will. I think there are those, though… that just are having a harmful influence. They don’t realize it. And we’re going to be talking with Dr. Travis Morrell and Evan De La Cruz as our featured guest in this hour regarding Evan’s transition and what happened exactly. And it was malevolent. And so your challenge is to use the word malevolent in a sentence today. You should be able to do that. And as your vocabulary, my vocabulary is expanding today, we are hopefully going to be able to impress our friends and family on that. And again, that’s M-A-L-E-V-O-L-E-N-T. And was looking through quotes for the day and found this Mark Twain. And as you know, Mark Twain was really a great humorist, but he was also very serious. And I found this particular quote and I thought it was just super, super interesting. about his perspective as well. He was born in 1835. He died in 1910. He was known by the 10-name Mark Twain, and he was one of America’s greatest writers, humorists, and essayists. And he said this, and this is advice really that my father gave to me as well. He must have read Mark Twain. He said this, keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you too can become great. And again, that is Mark Twain. Our bill of the day is House Bill 25-1312, and we’ll be talking more about this bill with Dr. Burrell and with Evan De La Cruz, but it’s Legal Protections for Transgender Individuals, and it was It was introduced just the other day, and – oh, it is up for House floor work, it says, tomorrow at 9 o’clock. And you know what? Hold on. Let me just check something. So on this, this is why elections are so darn important, and that is because – As you know, my friend Rami Johnson ran for state house. The person that ended up being elected to that particular seat was Rebecca Stewart. And Rebecca Stewart is one of the sponsors on this House Bill 25-13-12, Legal Protections for Transgender Individuals. So let’s just think about the consequences of this particular election. going back this last November, where Rebecca Stewart was elected to that position. She’s a Democrat. And the other prime sponsors on this bill are Representative Lorena Garcia, Senator Faith Winter, and Senator Chris Kolker. And I’ll just read a few of the things here that has got to strike terror in the hearts and minds of every parent in Colorado right now. It says the bill creates the Kelly Loving Act. I don’t know the background on that. But Section 2 provides that when making a child custody decision and determining the best interest of a child for purposes of parenting time, just let that sink in, a court shall consider dead maiming, misgendering, or threatening to publish material related to an individual’s gender-affirming healthcare services as types of coercive control. A court shall consider reports of coercive control when determining the allocation of parental responsibilities in accordance with the best interest of the child. Now, remember, this says that if you, so let’s say your child comes home, your daughter comes home, says, I think I’m a boy, and you say, knock it off, you’re not a boy, that could probably be considered misgendering. So we’re headed into very dangerous territory here in America. Section 3 prohibits a Colorado court from applying or giving any force or effect to to another state’s law that authorizes a state agency to remove a child from the child’s parent or guardian because the parent or guardian allowed the child to receive gender-affirming health care services. So this could certainly play in to where there might be a divorce going on and one of the parents wants to transgender the child, the other parent does not. And so this is going to come down on the side of favoring, again, the child being transitioned. Section 4 provides that if a local educator, provider, an educator, or contractor chooses to enact or enforce a policy related to chosen names, that policy must be to make the policy inclusive of all reasons that a student might adopt a chosen name that differs from the student’s legal name. Sections 5 and 6 provide that a dress code adopted or implemented by a local education provider must not create or enforce any rules based on gender. It must allow each student to abide by any variation of dress code. Just think about charter and public schools. They have uniforms because they are trying to keep some kind of discipline within their schools. This takes away that discipline. This takes away so much from the discipline. Again, this is another reason why our kids are having trouble reading, writing, and doing arithmetic is because this is happening in our schools. Section 7 provides that when an individual is required to provide their name through a form administered by a public entity, the form must include an option to provide the individual’s legal name and chosen name. If the individual provides a chosen name that’s different from the individual’s legal name, the chosen name must be used on all subsequent forms administered by the public entity. And lastly… 8 and 9 define dead naming and misgendering as discriminatory acts in the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act and prohibit these discriminatory acts in places of public accommodation. So if you don’t affirm this mistruth, then you could be accused of discrimination. So this is right here in Colorado, my friends. Elections have consequences. That’s why these elections are so important. We’re going to talk with Holly Kaysen at hour number two about something that’s very important on our elections. The show comes to you because of our sponsors. Peter’s Restaurants is a great sponsor of both the Kim Monson Show and America’s Veteran Stories. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Great specials for lunch and dinner. Excuse me, lunch, Monday through Friday, and happy hour specials, Monday through Friday. A great place to get together to watch the Final Four this weekend. And also the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. 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Welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure to check out our website. That is KimMonson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Very pleased to have on the line with me Senator Mark Baisley, Colorado Senator from the 4th District. And also, he is a recipient of the CUT Warrior Award. Let me make sure I have the right one. But you have been recognized by CUT, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, as protecting the taxpayer. I so appreciate that. Senator Mark Faisley, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. How are you and my favorite show on the radio?
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You say that to all the girls.
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No, no, I only say it to you, I swear it, because you do such great prep and you have such wonderful guests. So I listen to you every morning as I’m driving into the Capitol.
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Well, and I appreciate it. So let’s talk a little bit about that. And I want to get this right. You are a Colorado State Senate taxpayer warrior, which is a really big deal. And at this point, I do want to just recognize my fellow volunteers at CUTT. very quickly, and that is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Foss, Bill Hamill, Rob Caduce, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Raby Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onizorg, Paula Beard, Ray Beard. These are volunteers that volunteer for CUT to watch this legislation, and we send an email to all of the legislature’s legislators and the governor and our CUT membership list every Monday, Senator Baisley, and we hope that it’s somewhat helpful to all of you there.
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It certainly is. It always gives us at least a nudge. You know, you always want to look at, hey, so what are the cut folks? And I appreciate that list of folks that you just described because they’re doing this for free. This is just their patriotic duty, and so we so appreciate it. And it’s a good kind of conscience, I guess, because, as you know, we don’t have a conscience in the – The legislature, there’s one of their three legs to the stool. There’s the the the House and the Senate and the governor’s office. And if if they’re all like we have now, if they’re all run by the same aggressive party, then there is no conscious. There’s no backstop. There’s nothing stopping the really wild things from coming through. And that’s what we’re seeing. We always see it this time of year is they they pull out the crazy and the crazy has just arrived.
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Well, so Senator Baisley, my understanding is they will introduce at the beginning of the session, and those lower-numbered bills will certainly show a real agenda that’s out there. But now I think May 6th is the last day of this session, and we did see crazy just recently. I know it’s over on the House side, but this House Bill 1312 regarding protections for transgender individuals said, I know you’ve got your hands full over on the Senate, but, man, this is very bad, and we’re going to be talking about it today in the show.
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Well, I’m glad you’re addressing it to the people, the voters, the parents, because, yes, this is so egregious. It uses the language of for the interest of the child, for the purposes of parenting time, a court shall consider what they call deadnaming, which is calling someone, referring to a child as a girl or a boy after they have shed that name or that pronoun. And so that’s called deadnaming. That’s a new term for me. Misgendering we’ve all heard and so on. Anyway, but it doesn’t say that if the court is involved in a divorce proceeding or trying to determine custody between a mother and a father and so on, It just says very openly the best interest of the child for purpose of parenting time. This leaves it open to all kinds of government involvement in the rearing of our children. And the sovereignty is just thrown out the door of who is the parent. And this is where that worldview ultimately goes, where the state becomes the parent.
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So this is really a tremendous concern over here on the House side. Now, you’ve had a front row seat, and there’s a whole bunch of bills out there to take away our rights, our Second Amendment rights to protect ourselves and our families with a firearm against bad actors. But you’ve had a front row seat on the Senate Bill 003. It’s known as the magazine bill. And if you can’t put a magazine in your firearm, then basically your firearm is just a paperweight. So if the bad guys come in the door, maybe you could throw your firearm at them. But this is – you’ve had a front-row seat to this. Is this Mr. – I have this in air quotes – libertarian governor, what’s he going to do? Is he going to sign it, do you think, or is he going to just let it sit on his desk so that it automatically becomes law? Or do you think that he’ll veto it? Watch your ear to the ground on this, Senator Baisley.
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So my, my gut is that he will probably, um, just let it become law without his signature is my guess. Um, you know, he, it seems that he did not want to see that bill come to his desk at all because it puts him in a bind of having to, uh, anger one side or the other. And he’s, he’s, uh, always trying to create a balance there and keep folks loving him. But, um, The problem happened when it came in. It was even worse than it has ended up, as these bills will do. And he, with his staff, negotiated some compromises for that bill. For instance, they exempted a handful of hunting rifles that would be exempt from that new law, if it goes into effect. And they accepted his request for softening the bill in these ways. So Once they’ve accepted his request, said, okay, we’ll compromise with you on that, then he’s in the position of saying, oh, well, I guess now I have to sign it. So that’s my guess is what they’ll do. I don’t think he’ll veto it, and that’s very unfortunate.
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Okay. Well, Senator Baisley, what’s your ear to the ground, other things that might be coming down the pike here over the next few weeks down at the Colorado State Legislature? Anything that you know of that we need to be worried about?
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Yes, there is a resolution, which means this would be referred to the taxpayer. I’m sorry, referred out for external decision. But this is a H.J.R., which is House Joint Resolution 25-1023. And this is this is a challenge on the constitutionality of the taxpayers bill rights. So this would create a lawsuit against. That it would sue. I’m not sure who they sue. They sue the state probably. But anyway, it’s a lawsuit that challenges it says that. Our Taxpayers’ Bill of Rights is in conflict with the United States Constitution, and they cite in the U.S. Constitution that Congress guarantees to each state a republican form of government, meaning a representative form of government. So their claim is Taxpayers’ Bill of Rights removes that representation by disallowing the state government, the state legislature and governor to raise your taxes all the time. It’s just – this is – do you remember back in middle school when the teacher asked you that question, what would you do if you knew you could not fail? And when the Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate and the governor’s office, they asked themselves that question. What could we do if we knew what would be our wildest dream? And getting rid of Tabor is one of those, so that’s a big one.
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So Senator Baisley, when I was on city council 2012 to 2016, I remember the mayor at that time in one of our not public meetings had just talked about this specific issue. And he was in favor of getting rid of Tabor and had an R behind his name. And so this is not a new concept. But as you say, they’re now in. in control of everything, and so they’re going to try to do everything they want. So let’s connect this dot, though. They’re going to use taxpayer dollars to pay high-powered consultants, attorneys to put this whole thing together to then encourage us to give up the excess revenue that they’ve collected from us so that they can have that forever. Am I getting that right? And they can tax it as well.
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Yes, yes. So I’ll – All taxpayers’ bill of rights, and we just got to remember that. Taxpayer bill of rights is a requirement that when the government at any level wants to raise taxes on us, they have to come and ask us. And if we say yes, then they can. And if they spend more than – or if they collect more tax revenue than they’re authorized to spend, then they have to give it back. Those two very basic things. spell out Taxpayers Bill of Rights or what we shorten as TABOR. It is not a horrible thing. It’s a wonderful thing. In fact, it’s the envy of many other states. And we’re the only ones that have it. So we need to guard that. And the whole country is going to be watching this because a lot of other states would love to adopt a TABOR for themselves.
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Well, and one other thing, if these, I call them PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, when I incur debt that we have to pay off, they have to ask us as well. So certainly having the radical activist Democrats, and this Democrat Party, particularly here in Colorado, is not the Democrat Party of your grandpa and your grandma or JFK. And we need to explain that to people so that they can feel comfortable moving away from this Democrat Party. But The fact that they have a trifecta, and that is the Senate, the House, and the governor’s office here, is a real problem. And so you have made an announcement that you would like to help change that. So tell us a little bit about this announcement.
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Well, we have been running on defense for 10 years now. For 10 years, the Democrats have had that House, Senate, and Governor’s office. So there’s not much that can stop them. So we are playing defense, but I believe that it’s time to go on offense. We need to start taking this back. So I’ve been in observation by serving in the House and serving in the Senate, but uh, since, uh, 2019. And so, um, yes, I am running for governor and hoping to go back on offense and start applying back what we have lost because, um, This state is just – it is worth saving. It’s worth saving, and if you look at what happens when the Republicans are in control of everything and we get things like Tabor. What happens when the Democrats are in control of everything? Well, you get things like the legal protections for transgender individuals and the removal of parental sovereignty issues. and coercive vaccinations and all the bad things that we see when that aggression comes, and it comes hard. So I think the first step that we ought to do is take the governor’s office back so we do have that conscience, we do have that backstop when the crazy bills come through to veto those. And I’m hopeful that we start coming back in our numbers, both in the Senate, especially in the Senate, in 2026, the same year that I’ll be running for governor, and we will make some gains in the House. But my hope is that I can take the reins as governor in 2026, and then by 2028, that we have gotten ourselves back in majority position because the people have seen what the Democrats have done to this wonderful state.
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Senator Baisley, first of all, thank you to you and your family for stepping forward to run for governor. This is a big deal. I really appreciate it. As you know, I… worked. Elections are really important to me, the integrity and transparency and honesty of our elections. And that is an arena that I’m working diligently in. I worked this last year with some others and we raised the money for the lawsuits for the Colorado 2024 election project. And I’m going to be working on additional things regarding our elections. So that is one component of that is really important for 2026. The next component is to have great candidates running for these offices. So I so appreciate you stepping forward to do that. And it’s connected to the other. And I know that we talk about wanting to get Republicans elected. And yes, that’s true. But we want to elect Republicans that believe in the sanctity of the individual and limited government. And I think that really needs to be our litmus test to have that trifecta. People that understand that, such as yourself, great candidates such as yourself, and then this election integrity. And with that, those three things, I think we can reclaim Colorado Senator Baisley.
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Thank you. That’s so encouraging, especially coming from Kim Monson. And I’m encouraged as well. You know, you don’t have to walk far before you’re hearing all of the concerns from folks who are new to the state or have been here for generations. They can’t believe what has become of Colorado. And, you know, the rest of the country picked up on that this last year in 2024 election. and turned the tide and we were standing alone as an Island. And, but I think people are looking around and going, yeah, we’ve been suffering from the, the, the oppressive nature of, of that other worldview that has taken control of the Democrat Party. As you said, it’s not your grandfather’s Democratic Party, and it’s not. It’s very radical, and they realize that. We were founded on natural law, or as the founding document said, the laws of nature, of nature’s God, and people feel it. They see it. They feel it. They’re rejecting it, and I think they’re ready to step up and say, okay, time to reclaim our state.
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Okay. And Senator Mark Baisley, what is your website so that people can get more information?
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Thank you. Just markbaisley.com, M-A-R-K-B-A-I-S-L-E-Y.com.
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Okay. Well, thank you for stepping forward and representing us, and you just have a great day.
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Always my pleasure. Thank you, Kim.
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Be sure and check out our website. That’s Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Do check out the U.S. MC Memorial Foundation’s website and sign up for their website. Second annual Memorial Golf Tournament, which is the 15th of May out at the Ridge in Castle Rock. That is a great way to support the foundation. Certainly have a great round of golf, meet a whole bunch of new people. And that website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And we’ve got a real treat because he will be a guest. both today and tomorrow, and that is Dr. Travis Morrell. He is with Colorado Principal Physicians. He used to conduct transgender operations and thought he was really helping people. He wasn’t malevolent at all in that. He was wanting to help people, but as he’s unpack this. He’s realized there’s been some real destruction for our children. Dr. Murrell, welcome to the show. And we get to talk to you today and tomorrow. So welcome.
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Good morning. And thank you very much for having me, Kim.
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Well, and again, you are with Colorado Principled Physicians, and you’ve connected us with Evan De La Cruz, who will also be on the line with us. And I’m broadcasting from home. I’m going to be traveling a little bit later, and I was having a technological difficulty, so we’re going to be moving back and forth between these phone lines. So thank you for working with us on that. But there is a very important summit that is this weekend. You’ve been working with Laurie Gimmelstein. over at Colorado Parents Advocacy Network. And so tell us first of all about the summit, Dr. Morrell.
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Yeah, thank you. So it’s an opportunity for most of us who are wondering why are we doing this gender medicine to kids? There’s clearly some harms that we’re not addressing. Why is this so common right now in medicine and especially in Colorado? And also, what do we do from here? You know, if you’re a parent or a doctor, you know, what other things should you be looking for to help these kids to navigate the system? And what can we do from here? There’s two panels with experts. really nationally known experts. The first one is going to be moderated by myself. It’s true that I did used to prescribe these hormones and so forth for adults. And watching this move to kids, it was a clear red line as far as medically that was not going to be appropriate. And so far, the evidence has remained concerning. And so, Our first panel is going to have two doctors, including Dr. Miriam Grossman, who’s a well-known child and adolescent psychiatrist, Dr. Michelle Stanford, a Colorado pediatrician, Dr. Lear Sapir, he’s a PhD policy expert, and has kind of watched this go through medicine and has done some kind of independent research, including on how common some of this is in insurance data, and then also Candace Jackson, who’s who’s a civil rights lawyer and has spoken about gender. And then the second panel is going to be moderated by Lori Gimmelstein of the Colorado Parents Advocacy Network. And she’ll be with Colorado mom Erin Lee and her daughter Chloe. who was socially transitioned in a school, as you might’ve seen in the art club movie that’s online, as well as Jamie Reed, the gender clinic whistleblower and January little John, who they both also have a personal family interactions with this issue to talk about the harms to families. Cause we sometimes miss that. Not only does it harm youth, but it also, as we’re going to hear from Evendilla Cruz, but it also, uh, harms family and other relationships. Jamie Reed, spouse of, I think, 13 years, actually transitioned and then transitioned back. And there’s a lot of harms that people don’t realize, and we should be careful and compassionate about these relationships as well.
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Well, and Dr. Morrell, we actually, Erin Lee, we broke her and her family’s story on my show. And, of course, she has gone on to – and what had happened is Cain had reached out to me and said, I’ve got a mom up here from Windsor whose child went to our club, and it was actually a transgender indoctrination session. And I said, well, do you think she might come on the show? And she did. And then she has become such a courageous voice on this. And Chloe, her daughter, is going to be at this conference or at this summit as well. People can get tickets at coloradoparents.org and then just hit on the events tab right there. So that is this weekend. And, Dr. Morrell, you also have become just such an important voice in this arena. You’ve introduced me to Evan De La Cruz. which this is a very important story. And Joe, hopefully we have Evan on the line as well. Evan de la Cruz, welcome to the show.
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Are you able to hear me yet?
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Okay. Thank you so much for having me.
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Are you there? Yes.
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I gotcha. Okay, perfect.
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Hello, Kim.
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Well, hello. And Evan, thank you for coming on the show. I think you’ve done at least one other interview, but you haven’t been doing a lot of radio interviews yet. So tell me your story. Tell me how did this all begin? Where were you born? Tell me where all this started.
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Sure, you got it. And thank you again for having me on your show. So I grew up in… I was a child of divorced parents. So I was kind of split up in between living in Denver for a certain amount of time and then growing up primarily in Pueblo, Colorado. So I would say that unlike some of these children that were that nowadays, it’s very easy. You know, it’s almost terrifyingly easy to get on testosterone or hormones, even to get surgery. When I did this, it was 2007. This is when It was supposed to be harder. And even then, I was fast-tracked through the system. But basically started this journey in 2007, ended in 2025. But basically, I’ve detransitioned twice. I received my letter initially, and I didn’t even use it for two years. But I was able to request the doctor to basically change the date on there without seeing me, without even asking why I didn’t cash in this letter for two years. And even just falling through the cracks of detransitioning during this period of time, not taking that prescription or not taking that letter to get the prescription, all of those fell through the cracks. And I fell through the cracks. And a lot of people have. And what’s a little alarming is that they’re passing all these laws and it’s kind of like pulling the cart before the horse kind of thing because we haven’t even had a discussion about And I want people to just kind of pause and just for us to compassionately discuss this topic again. Because now there’s people like me who have been living this life for over a decade who is having regret. And it’s not just me. I’m starting to notice that there’s a pattern. There’s a pattern of regret. There’s a pattern of people trying to use this as a method to help with mental illness or to help with whatever trauma that they may be experiencing at the time. And I’m noticing that we’re thinking that this is an avenue that’s going to help us and it’s not. I only have my own opinions about this is me just living as just a regular citizen on the world and just my own life experience. But I just don’t feel that I feel that we’re going too far. And I feel that especially when it’s affecting children the way that it is, and women and safe spaces for women like this really bleeds out into everything. So what I would love to ask is just listen to the detransitioners. Let’s pause on all the things that we’re doing right now and go back and have a discussion. And that’s what I would hope for, just so there’s more gatekeeping.
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Well, and I think listening is certainly a place to start. Now, Evan, you were born biologically as a girl? Female, yes. Okay, as a female, okay. Yes. And what year were you born?
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So I was born in 85. I’m 39 now. So I was born in 1985. So I was, like, 21 when I started transitioning, very young. Like, I don’t even think people should be doing this under 25 at all.
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Well, and I know that some of the Republicans down at the Statehouse have had some bills to try to protect or, I guess – gosh, there’s so many of them, Evan, but one of those is that, and I think it died in committee, I think, but that was that those up until the age of 25 could have some recourse against the physicians and the institutions that assisted in this detransitioning. And Evan, I really think that Colorado has become ground zero for this
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radical activist legislation by the transgender extremists uh is is that too much to say what what do you think um i think that it is going uh i feel that this is probably a topic or discussion where this kind of found its home in it so to speak like the the Because for me personally, I feel it was a lot of nonconforming, like being gender nonconforming trauma and just trauma in my own life that kind of led down this path. But I don’t think it’s the right path. And I think that it is very extreme. I think that now we’re pulling kids into it. When I went to go testify, I was even sharing this with the doctor because, again, I’m not hugely like political on any kind of side. I’m just trying to share my side of it. But even in that testimony, it was very bizarre how it seemed like that bill that was passed, the HB 251312, it seemed like the core of it was we’re going to take your kids away, essentially, if you don’t affirm. But they put a lot of nice things on top that seem like they’re already in place. So to me, it just felt very deceitful. And to me, if you’re working from truth, there’s no need to lie or deceive others.
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Right. Good point. We love that. So we’re going to continue the discussion. We have Dr. Travis Murrell on the line, and he is really… doing amazing work, and you can find him at Colorado Principal Physicians, and Evan De La Cruz, who transitioned from female, or transitioned and has regrets. We want to talk more about that. These discussions happen because of our sponsors, and for everything mortgages, reach out to Lauren Levy.
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Welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And do check out the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. I will be down there on April 16th emceeing one of their On Values presentations featuring Norma Donlon, who is the widow of Roger Donlon, a Medal of Honor recipient from the Vietnam War. And I would love to have you join us. For more information, go to AmericanValueCenter.org. On the line with me is Dr. Travis Morrell. And he is with Colorado Principal Physicians. He’s had quite a journey. And we’ll talk about that. on a different show because we’re focusing on Evan Dela Cruz, who Dr. Morrell introduced me to. Dr. Morrell, again, we just want to mention this important event tomorrow, or excuse me, Saturday, regarding at people can get tickets at coloradoparents.org, but the Rocky Mountain Summit Part 2. And you are one of the sponsors on that with Colorado Principal Physicians.
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Yes, I just want to emphasize it’s actually Sunday at 2.30. Doors open at 2. It’s Sunday at 2.30 till 5.30. And if you go to coloradoparents.org, you can get tickets while they’re available. And it’s going to be a great learning opportunity for every adult. And I know Evan’s going to be there as a guest. And it’s great to hear her voice on your show today, Kim. Thank you.
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Well, and thank you for that clarification again. So that’s this Sunday, April 6th. And you can go to coloradoparents.org to get your tickets. Just click on the events tab. And again, Dr. Morrell is the founder of Colorado Principal Physicians. Evan De La Cruz, your story is troubling. When I read this, it said Evan wanted doctors to help her. Instead, they removed her breasts, ovaries, uterus, and damaged a bowel. Evan, this breaks my heart. And I think there are those in the medical industry that didn’t think they were being malevolent, but the outcomes of this does seem, I mean, it seems like a lot of damage there. So how would you address that, Evan?
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Yes, just like how I mentioned before, one thing that I say is as much as I appreciated their compassion at the time, I rather have appreciated the ethics they promised to uphold. Because that’s what counts long term. Do no harm. So whether or not that you felt bad for me shouldn’t take away the fact that you have ethics to uphold. And now we’re dealing with that problem with people who they thought they’re doing a good thing for and maybe did not have malicious intent. I don’t believe that people do, but mistakes were made. And I’m just saying that we should have the integrity to own those mistakes and then change those mistakes.
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So, Evan, as I’m getting more and more into this issue, I think that there are many people that don’t mean to be malicious or malevolent, but I do think that there is people that are pulling the strings on all this as far as – I think there are those that are malicious in this, and somehow they’re co-opting – this idea that people care. I think they’re taking advantage of vulnerable children. I’ve heard that many times it’s kids that, and I didn’t like junior high. It was not fun. A lot of kids, we struggle through junior high. I think the kids get targeted. For example, Erin Lee’s daughter, it was coming out of COVID, new school, she’s shy. And I think that children, these kids get targeted. And I’ve heard that the transgender activist extremists are targeting autistic children. That’s anecdotal. Any comments on that, Evan?
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You know, I’m not trying to play the devil’s advocate, but I can emphasize. I can emphasize why they feel the way that they do. But again, like mine was rooted in trauma and a disconnection from myself. And I’m starting to notice that there’s a pattern of such thing. You know, so I’m just saying that’s what we need to reevaluate. Before we start pulling in new patients for the future, new patients who are going to have to get mental health help, you know, people who were dealing with trauma initially, but then, cause even for me, it was not only the dealing with the healing aspect of it, but then after the fact of then having to deal with my body and what I’ve done, you know, so I have to look in the mirror and see the scars on my body. I have to hear the deepness of my voice. I have to shave my chin as a woman. Those things are very difficult and I have to deal with that now. So I don’t want other people to have to deal with that, you know,
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Well, and I think that as people are going through, as you mentioned, trauma or difficult times, instead of pulling out pharmaceuticals and surgery, let’s help people learn what they’re going through and learn to cope with that. This House Bill 1312 down at the Statehouse does not allow that to happen. It looks to me like it’s going to move these kids down this transition path. agenda, and I’m concerned about that. Evan, a question. Who paid for all of this with you for all these years?
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So that was at the time, first initially to get that letter was out of pocket because at the time none of this was covered by insurances. So when I went through for my hysterectomy, and that’s where I’m talking about, like, there’s this overcorrection in care that’s hurting people. So even with this hysterectomy, I asked the nurse and basically pleaded with the nurse that because my insurance didn’t cover this, I need to find a reason to get rid of my ovaries. So help me find that reason. And she did. And so this was covered at the time. This was Blue Cross Blue Shield. They had no things for transgender care. So I had to basically find things that would normally be removed and see if they could do it that way. The top surgery was done through Kaiser. And then even most of the hormone therapy was, I believe, with Kaiser from like 2015, 2013 on. But most of it was at the time like out of pockets.
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Well, and my understanding is this is extremely expensive. Evan, we’re out of time, so I wanted to close this. Thank you, first of all, for coming on and sharing your story. And what’s your final thought on this? And let’s certainly stay in touch, Evan De La Cruz. And thank you for your courage on this as well.
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Your final thought. Thank you. Mine, I don’t think it’s transphobic to expect ethical care to have compassionate conversations or for minds to change with new information. And thank you so much, Kim, for your time. And Travis, again, thank you for everything you do to guide this process.
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Well, and Evan De La Cruz, thank you so much. And Dr. Travis Morrell is a real pioneer in this arena, and he had been helping people transition and then realize this whole agenda harm on children. Dr. Travis Morrell, with Colorado Principal Physicians, we’ve got about 30 seconds left. Your final thought.
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Yeah, I would have prescribed this medicine and helped her obtain what she was asking for when she was doing it, you know, 10 years ago. And I just hope that doctors will wake up to the harms that we’re doing and to kids. I mean, in youth, it’s really unacceptable. They really should have never started, but. I hope people wake up and I hope interested adults and doctors will come to Sunday at 2.30, tickets at coloradoparents.org for really just a once in a year, just unique opportunity to hear the experts and maybe even meet Evan.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. And Dr. Murrell, we’re going to talk with you tomorrow with Dr. Sapir as well. So thank you. Keep up the important work. I greatly appreciate it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you so much, Kim.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. Welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson Show. We’ve got a very important second hour as well. So thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Thursday, Producer Joe.
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And, Joe, thank you. I am going to be traveling a little bit later today. I’m going to go see family. And Brad Beck will co-host the show tomorrow. He’s great. Great guest. Alan Thomas will co-host on Monday. Not co-host. They’re going to guest host. And, again, great guest plan for that as well. And so with that, preparing for traveling, I’m broadcasting from home. As I’ve mentioned before on the show, I’ve got this great little rig that can connect directly into the studio board. However, I have a new phone and the cords don’t match up. So hence, I’m on the line. And I know Joe doesn’t like that so much because it doesn’t have the quality that we really like and as well as it’s a little more challenging. So I really appreciate him working with us on all this. So several things on this show. First of all, I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it’s reliable, efficient, and affordable and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal. It powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And all of that has been under attack. And why? Because those that want to control all of us, If they can control our energy or if they can control our water, if they can control our transportation, if they can control our food, then they can control us. All that is what they have been trying to do under the guise of trying to take care of the climate. But we realized they never really did care about the climate. It was all about politics because they pushed these EVs, these electric vehicles – And with all kinds of coercion and mandates. But now that they’re mad at Elon Musk for trying to locate waste, fraud, and abuse in the government, they’re destroying Teslas. So it never was about the environment. It was always about control. And so that’s why we do the show is so that we can understand what’s going on out there. Our word of the day is malevolent. And that is spelled M-A-L-E-V-O-N-T. And it could be, number one, having or exhibiting ill will, wishing harm to others, or malicious. Number two, having a harmful influence. I think in talking with Evan Velicruz and Dr. Travis Morrell, there are many in this transgender transitioning that think that they’re helping people. But as they look back, it is malevolent because they’re having a harmful influence. And then lastly, the definition is wishing evil, disposed to injure others, rejoicing in another’s misfortune. So that’s spelled M-A-L-E-V-O-L-E-N-T. Eric always likes me to spell that. And your challenge is to use that in a sentence today. Our quote of the day is from Mark Twain. And Mark Twain was born in 1835. He died in 1910. He was an American writer, humorist, and essayist. And he said this. He says a lot of funny things, but this is pretty serious. And I love this. And he said, keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that. But the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great. And that is Mark Twain. Big headline that we wanted to I just wanted to briefly mention, and that is Trump’s tariffs. And watched some of the evening shows last night. And one of the first things they said was that cars are going to go up 25% because of a 25% tariff. That is not true. We had Lauren Fix on the show the other day. Check out Car Coach Reports. And it’s a little more complicated than that. And so check that out because that is not true. But we’re hearing that not only on mainstream media, but also on other media as well. But this is from Forbes and it has a photo of Trump holding. This is just really powerful regarding reciprocal tariffs. Those that are crying that the sky is falling on these tariffs. do not acknowledge the fact that these other countries have been charging tariffs on our goods going into their countries. So he has, and on many of those, he’s either charging the same or he’s about half. So go to Forbes regarding these tariffs. Take a look at that photo, reciprocal tariffs. It says China charges 67% on our goods going in there. Well, we’re going to charge 34%. Okay, get them to the table. Let’s negotiate on that. The EU, 39% on our goods going into the EU. He says we’re going to charge 20%. Vietnam, 90%. He says we’re going to charge 46%. Taiwan, 64%. We’re going to charge 32%. Japan, 46%. We’re going to charge 24%. This sure seems like this is a step in the right direction. And, my friends, we were headed under the Biden-Harris administration. We were headed over a cliff. And this is probably going to be messy here on the short term, but we are either going to have to step up and have some pain now and go through this so that we can get out on the other side where America can once again be the home of the free and the land of the brave, or we were headed over a cliff. And so I know it’s – so don’t believe all the headlines either. You need to be digging a little deeper, and one of the ways to do that is to listen to the Kim Monson Show. One of the ways to listen to Kim Monson’s show is because we have great sponsors. And I know each and every one of them personally. And one of those is Karen Levine. And I don’t want to embarrass her, but I’ve known her for a long, long time. And I look at this quote of Mark Twain where he says, keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that. But they’re really great, make you feel that you too can become great. Karen Levine, in all the years that I know you, that is something that you do is all those around you is that you strive for excellence and you, you believe that other people can strive for excellence as well. And again, I don’t want to embarrass you, but you’re a dear friend. And I think you embody that.
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Okay, well, how can people reach you if they want to buy a home, sell a home? And I know that there’s a whole bunch of pressure points in a real estate transaction, and I’ve seen from afar how beautifully you’ve helped people navigate that. So buying a home, selling a home, new build, how can people reach you, Karen Levine?
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And that’s for everything residential real estate in this metro real estate market. And there is opportunity, and Karen is really the person to have on your side of the table. That number is 303-877-7516. Karen, keep up the great work. We’ll talk next week. That sounds great. Thanks, Kim. And, again, when you get that home, also you want to make sure that you have the proper insurance coverage for that home. And the way to make sure that you do that is give Roger Mangan and his State Farm Insurance team a call. They’ll sit down and do a complimentary appointment with you, a complimentary assessment. And if you bundle things together, you might be able to save some money. You won’t know unless you make that call. That number is 303-795-8855 for a call. A complimentary appointment like a good neighbor, that Roger Mangan Insurance team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. You talk about force. Take a look at what’s going down at the Colorado State Legislature and with this governor. There is all kinds of force and coercion. And how is that happening? Well, elections matter. And I mentioned with Senator Mark Baisley in the first hour that we have this challenge in America. First of all, we need to make sure that we have free, fair, honest and transparent elections. And there are PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats and interested parties from both sides of the aisle that have tried to assure the people of Colorado that we have the gold star of elections. That is not the case. And that is why, with the help of all of you, we step forward and we raise the money for these two lawsuits. that we have out there. The first was to fund the legal team with United Sovereign Americans, uh, to, um, and they sued the, uh, in September of last year saying that Colorado is not meeting the minimum standards that set forth by Congress for elections. And the second suit is with the Wisconsin center for election justice, Peter Berninger and his group. And that suit was filed on November 1st. And, um, It was very targeted because under NIVRA, the National Voting Rights Act, there’s time constraints as you get closer and closer to the election on what you can do. So with those time constraints, very targeted list, we ran the data again as of – November 5th, Election Day, because the Secretary of State said our lists were old. So Peter said, okay, I’ll pay for the list again. I’ll run it as of November 5th. And we have proof that 14,500 people that should not have received ballots in Colorado voted. That’s a problem. So elections are one leg of the stool. Number two, we need to be electing people that understand the sanctity of the individual, limited government and the proper role of government. And so we need to make sure that we are electing those people as well. And so that’s the third thing is to make sure that we have good candidates. All three of those things need to happen for us to reclaim Colorado. And I’m really, really focused a lot on these elections. And that’s why I am so pleased to have on the line with me, Holly Cason. She is a warrior on this and she has stayed the course. even though she and Ashley Epp and Sean Smith were sued. Holly Kaysen, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, good morning, Kim. Thank you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, your story is absolutely amazing. And I met you a number of years ago up with the Boulder Topics and Topics Group. And as you were explaining what was occurring, I found this shocking. First and foremost, you were involved with US EIP, the U.S. Election Integrity Project. So let’s start there. Tell us a little bit about that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. So Ash and I were the co-founders of the, as you said, U.S. Election Integrity Plan. And what it was is a group of volunteers. We raised no money and we never had. We just use the power of the people to start looking into what happened in the 2020 elections. And it was a relatively small group and where we were focused really was on, um, the, the tech that was being used in the data that was being used in our elections. We were all new to it generally. And we just went bit by bit, um, looking at things like cast vote records, ballot images. I mean, this was our introduction into how our elections were run using technology, basically. Fast forward to, you know, I’d say eight to 10 months after we started USCIP, we were in Every single county in Colorado, there were volunteers who were working on their own election-type initiatives in their own backyards, and we had spread to 33 states. The model was working, and that was just, we are here to support you if you need people to ask questions to or need to understand what you’re looking at, help with data analysis, anything like that. We were there, and it kind of caught on like wildfire.
SPEAKER 05 :
So volunteers here in Colorado in particular, my understanding is volunteers would go out and politely knock on the door and say, hey, this says that X voted here. Does this person live here? And just basic questions, right? It was called canvassing. Do I have that correct?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, eventually. People were doing a lot of different things in USAIP apart from canvassing. And at a certain point in 2021, there were enough people in certain counties that said they wanted to canvass their county to check to see if the voter rolls were accurate. And so that’s when USAIP developed our canvassing architecture, training manuals, and data collection methods. And the reason why we made it so structured in the way that we did was because we thought, well, if we do find anything that supports our theory that our election rolls are not actually made up of completely independent you know, clean data, that we would want this to stand up in court if people from the counties wanted to present this information to their county clerks or their local DAs or the AG or the Secretary of State. So it was a very regimented structure for how we canvassed. We kept track of absolutely everything, who went to what door, what day, what the results were. And the whole purpose of that was to make sure that we had very clean data because many of you may know Jeff, Data Jeff is what we call him. He was our data analyst. And he said, if we can collect clean data, then I can project a result across the state without having to knock on every single door in the state. So that’s how we approached our canvassing. And at the end of that… Oh, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, at the end of it, we knocked on about 10,000 doors, all volunteers working on their own, you know… schedule time, how they wanted to do it. And we generated a report in March of 2022 that was very embarrassing for the Secretary of State and many folks who, as you were saying earlier, claim that Colorado is the gold standard of elections. And we found an 8 to 10, or excuse me, 8 to 14% error rate in our voter data, which translates to problems in elections.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, hopefully we didn’t lose her. But let’s, so I’m talking with Holly Kaysen, and she said that their data showed that there could be an 8 to 14% error rate. Okay, my friends, let’s just take a look. Think about not only candidates, but issues. that have been approved with a much smaller margin. And so that means that there are a number of things that have been passed here in Colorado that may have had a higher error rate. And so let’s go to break. Let’s get Holly Kaysen back on the line. And we have these important discussions because of our sponsors. And everything regarding mortgages, reach out to Lauren Levy.
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Welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. I did want to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation. They’re having a great golf tournament. It’s their second championship. golf tournament that is May 15th out at the Ridge in Castle Rock, which is right around the corner. And so, uh, Check out their website, usmcmemorialfoundation.org, and you can go ahead and buy your place in their golf tournament. Holly Cason is on the line. And, Holly, I apologize. I am broadcasting from home. We’ve got some technical challenges. I’m on my phone. I thought I heard things pop, and I thought maybe I lost you. And so that’s why we went to break early. But you had said that your research had shown that in the – 2020 election, there may have been anywhere as much of an 8% to 14%, I guess, error rate, would you say, regarding the results of the election? Am I saying that correctly, Holly?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, you are. I mean, what really we could say with certainty is that there were errors in the data that could lead to an 8% to 14% change in the outcome of the election, because what we found were, you know, ballots that had been delivered to homes to people who had never lived there. We found people who said that they had voted, but in the voter rolls, excuse me, their vote was not cast. And then the opposite was true. Some people said, no, I hadn’t voted. And the state’s record said, yes, you had voted. Things like that, which, you know, you can imagine, as you were saying before you went to break, how much that can impact our elections, especially on the very local municipal level and with ballot measures. It’s not just the national election. And as we all know, local matters matter. really affect our day-to-day life. And so there could be a lot of difference in elections when there are such small margins on local matters.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and I had mentioned it in the first hour regarding this House Bill 251312, which is this whole thing regarding transgender. Ultimately, parents could have their kids taken away from them. One of the sponsors on that is Rebecca Stewart, and my friend Ramey Johnson was in that race against her. And as we look now at how elections have consequences, if Ramey was in – the state house, she would not be sponsoring such a bill. So these elections really do have consequences. And Holly, I really think looking into 2026, that we are going to see the focus by the radical activist extremists to try to take these down-ballot races. So certainly they’re going to focus on Congress and the Senate on the national level. But as you mentioned, all the way down to school boards, special districts, these elections matter. And so we need to have elections that we trust that are honest and transparent. And that is why the work that you had done at US EIP is so important. So you have this report and the report’s going to come out. And this is regarding Colorado. And it’s going to say, hey, Secretary of State Jenna Griswold, we don’t have – well, people can connect the dots. We don’t have the gold standard. Well, then something happened, didn’t it, Holly?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. I think it was two days before our report was supposed to be published. And the NAACP, the League of Women Voters, and Me Familia Vota – uh they didn’t service at this but they sued us under the um kkk act and the voting rights act accusing us of being um violent racists who were armed going door to door intimidating voters and this is um and they used the predicate of canvassing to allege that we were intimidating voters simply because we were going door to door. It had to be intimidating because we were asking questions about the 2020 election. Now this is in 2022. So we were doing a retrospective study and these allegations were so over the top, completely unfounded. And these three NGOs ended up going to the press the exact same day their lawsuit was filed and launching a global press campaign that maligned us in the press using these false allegations within the suit to propagate their message of voter intimidation, violence, general catastrophe around elections. So after that, we fought the case for three years and won at trial, decidedly. We had a very, very strong win. In fact, their case completely fell apart at trial And the judge didn’t even require the defense, which is us, to make our case. She just heard the plaintiff’s side of the case and said, I’ve heard enough. You haven’t made your case. I’m ruling in favor of the defendants. And this was a Democrat-appointed judge, right? Yes. She was the first openly gay judge appointed to the federal bench, to the to the appellate court or sorry, the, the lower court. And she came from Boulder. Her name was, her name is Charlotte Sweeney and she was an extremely fair judge. She called balls and strikes. She ran a very tight ship in the courtroom and yeah, there was no funny business there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. So, okay. So you now have, uh, I had a sigh of relief. And, again, that was a whole journey as well, Holly, because you had had an attorney, a group of attorneys, and they were wanting you to settle. And you and Ash said, we’re not going to settle. And you decided to go pro se, which means representing yourself. I think Sean stayed over with that other group of attorneys. And then you got connected with a firm called that has had a really great track record going up against Mark Elias, who is the Democrats’ golden boy attorney. And they’ve gone up against him, and they won. So tell us a little bit about that journey.
SPEAKER 03 :
This part of the story is actually really funny. So you’re right. Ash and I did, excuse me, go pro se and win. I just went absolutely just crazy with research, trying to teach myself the law, how to prepare for trial, and kind of covering the basis of the whole proceeding that we felt weren’t covered up to this point so far. The plaintiffs in general had been able to tell their side of the story through motions And our lawyers, I felt, hadn’t done that for us. And I was really focused on getting as much information about our side of the story on the record as we could before trial. So in my research, I was reading everything I possibly could. And I ran across Catherine Engelbrecht’s lawsuit in Georgia against Fair Fight is Stacey Abrams, NGO down in Georgia, and she had Mark Elias representing her organization with the same type of claims against True the Vote that were happening in my case. It was almost an apples to apples comparison. So I was reading the trial transcripts. of that case and ran across this brilliant lawyer. I was reading how he was just clinically taking down the other side. And I thought, wow, this is my playbook. This is how I’m going to prepare for trial. This is what I want to follow. So about four weeks before trial, I sent a piece of fan mail to this lawyer. His name is Michael Lin. And I quoted some of his trial testimony, just the parts that I absolutely loved. I just completely nerding out and asked him if he would take a call with me. I had some strategic questions about how he approached his trial strategy. And I found out later that they got this email and they passed it around the law firm. And I earned the nickname fan mail because they were all just puzzled. They’re like, who is this person who writes a lawyer fan mail? So Michael takes my call. One thing leads to another, and he kind of discerns the situation I’m in, what the case is about. And he said, Holly, you need to hire me. You need me at court. And I said, yeah, I do, but I’m not looking for a lawyer. We have four weeks to go. I am ready for this. I’m mentally ready to try this. And he said, slow down. You need me at trial. And I said, Michael, I don’t have any money. That’s part of the reason why I’m litigating this myself. I’m flat out. I’ve cashed in my 401k. I don’t have it. And he said, you can figure this out. You need me at trial. And behind the scenes, he started working immediately on the trial because he just had faith that it would work out. Turns out it did. And So I had Michael and his partner Cameron Powell represent me at trial. Ash stayed pro se. She did all the questioning in trial, and Sean was still with our former attorney. So that’s how that story came about. I thought every one of us still laughs about how that whole thing unfolded.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and so goes to trial, all this is happening, and you win. But as you mentioned, and I am learning as well, that attorneys, they cost a lot. And, of course, what’s so frustrating is you go up against the government, City Hall or the Secretary of State, and they have, it seems like, unlimited funds for attorneys. We, the little people, don’t. And so the attorney’s fees were significant. And you received a judgment because the other side lost that they would have to pay your legal fees, which was, what, close to a half million dollars?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. Okay. Wow. Yeah, at that point, so we did win a trial. And during the ruling, the judge did say we were awarded our costs. And costs and fees are two different things. Costs are your hard costs, like filing fees and, you know, deposition costs, that sort of thing. It doesn’t turn out to be all that much money in the big picture. The legal fees are really the larger cost. And if you do want to recoup your legal fees, you have to file a post-trial motion, and that’s ruled separately than the case. So even though we won decidedly, we just found out we were denied recouping our legal fees. And the reason why was absolutely stunning to us because I had no idea about this and neither did Ash. It was wild because the judge in deciding whether or not to grant us our fees had to use this 1978 SCOTUS precedent called the Christiansburg Standard, which guides courts and judges across the U.S. in situations like mine, when a civil rights case is brought and the defendant wins, they have to use the standard to guide them in whether or not to award fees to defendants. Okay, so these – oh, go ahead. Oh, go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, you go. Okay, these NGOs, non-governmental organizations, back in 78, I think we looked at them as charities. But that’s when things really started to change, I think, regarding charity nonprofit moving down that road. And so these nonprofits could basically sue at will. Whoever they sued would have to lawyer up. to protect themselves, if they won the case, they still had all those legal fees that they had to pay because of this particular ruling. And so this is like NGOs can sue with abandon, and if they win, they win. If they lose, they win, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s exactly it. And it’s interesting because this Christiansburg standard is held up And it might have been true, and the landscape was ripe for this type of predicate in 1978, but we’re in a completely different world in 2025. And back in 78, when Christiansburg was passed, it rests on the assumption that any group bringing a civil rights case, when they’re prosecuting for civil rights, they get this automatic… assumption of good faith, which means the law basically assumes that everything that is brought on behalf of civil rights is good law and a good case. And so if they lose, if the NGOs in this case lose, they don’t have to pay our legal fees as the defendant if we win. Now, the opposite is not true. If we would have won, sorry, if we would have lost, we would have had to pay the plaintiff’s legal fees and damages. So the playing field inherently is not even in these civil rights cases because of this Christiansburg standard.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Holly, so you and Ash and Sean – The fact that you did not settle, because settling would have precluded this risk. You had this risk hanging out there regarding these legal fees. The fact that you – and I know you had these discussions. We’re not going to settle. We’re not going to settle. But, man, you guys are putting yourselves at a lot of risk.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, we were. But we knew we were right, and we knew we had to fight for what was right in this case because – As we discovered throughout these proceedings, these groups use lawfare as a fundraising model. This is one of their mechanisms for raising money. And we knew we were going to win this, and we thought they cannot get away with this. They cannot go out, destroy our lives. run a global press campaign, maligning us in the press. I mean, I haven’t really worked since then. I was in the middle of raising investment funds for my startup. I’m a tech founder. I’ve done this a couple times. And as soon as my investors started doing their due diligence, and they ran across my name being associated with a KKK in the press, they These are people I know even. They said, Holly, we cannot bring you into our portfolio with this hanging over your head. You’ve got to clear this up. And the only way I could clear my name is to win this lawsuit. I couldn’t settle.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and that was one of the things that they tried to imply that you were KKK. And it was really terrible what they were doing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And, you know, reflecting on it, Ashon and I, luckily, were in a position to be able to fight this and had the will to do it. I can imagine a lot of other people would legitimately have to settle for the safety of their kids, their getting along in their community. There’s a lot of things that get sacrificed when you go through something like this, and it takes a lot out of you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and that’s why being a patriot, this quote for the end of the show from Mark Twain is going to be so perfect. We’ve got another segment you’re going to stay on. The text line is blowing up, 720-605-0647. And we’re going to continue the discussion with Holly Kaysen. This all happens because of our sponsors, and one of those is John Bozen and Bozen Law. If you’ve been injured, you want to reach out to them.
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Thank you.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That’s KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. As you all know, I dearly love the Center for American Values located in Pueblo. One of the things that they do is honor our Medal of Honor recipients. And it’s the highest military honor that can be bestowed upon someone in our military. And it is bestowed on people that when danger presented itself, they took action to protect those around them. And the center is nonpartisan, nonpolitical, but super inspirational. Get more information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. And I can take that as a correlation to the woman that I’m talking with is when she when, when danger presented itself, this was regarding our elections, she took action. And so Holly Kaysen is walking us through her story. And so we’ve got another chapter in this book, and we’re asking for money to help with this. Now, Holly, I have many different organizations on the show that I, that I have there. And I always want to highlight them. And I So many people are looking to raise money. But I did raise money for lawsuits regarding our elections. And I want to ask all of our listeners to join me in raising the money for you to appeal this decision regarding this Christianberg. And it’ll probably go all the way to the Supreme Court. This is our little way to fight back on these NGOs. And so people of Colorado, I’m asking you to text me at 720-605-0647 with the fact that you want to help. If you can give me a dollar number, that’s great. And then I will get back with you on how you can make a checkout to Holly’s law firm, or she does also have an online website. way that you can give. So text me 720-605-0647. So Holly, this next chapter is very, very important. So walk us through that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. So because we got turned down for our legal fees, we are going to, as you said, appeal to that ruling, but it’s not just about the money. What we’re able to do with this opportunity is to challenge, as you said, the Christiansburg standard and demonstrate that it’s not fair and it’s, it’s an unjust law. And if we are successful, which I do believe we will be because we’ve got an excellent case. It’s very strong. What it’ll do if we can overturn Christiansburg is essentially cut out the heart that allows these NGOs to wage lawfare against citizens and organizations that they see as their mortal enemies. And it will level the playing field. So they’re going to have to deal with the same type of risk financially that defendants have to. It’s going to be fair is fair. The winner pays if they lose. And it will stop them from going absolutely crazy with being able to file as many possible suits as they can without any financial consequence. And that’s much bigger than us. I’ll end it right there.
SPEAKER 05 :
So with that, I want to say thank you to Ben. He has pledged $100 towards this. We’ve got $45,000 we need to raise. The bill is $60,000. You’ve raised $15,000. And we need to do this. Really, people ask me, even on our other lawsuits, Kim, when do you need it? And it’s like, now. And so, yes, we do need it now. So text me, 720-605-0647. With your pledge, I will get back with you regarding… the options on how we can get this done. So again, this is where we step up. We step up and help the patriots that have stepped up when it was lonely. And these elections are so important. If we don’t have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections, my friends, we don’t have a country. And that’s why what Holly and Ash and Sean have done is so important. We’ve got basically, let’s see, about Two minutes, Holly. So let’s do the ask again. And again, text me 720-605-0647 with your pledge. And I’ll get back with you on the details. So again, how do you want to wrap this up?
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well, we have a GiveThemGo page set up. It’s GiveThemGo.com slash StopNGOLawfare. It’s StopNGOLawfare. And so you can donate online there. And I sincerely appreciate any little bit helps. I mean, we’re working so hard to get this funded. And what we can do is through this lawsuit, the thing that’s so interesting about this is cases like ours never really get to trial. It’s so rare that they do. And you can’t challenge Christiansburg unless there is a legal opportunity to do so. You can’t just file a lawsuit and say, I want to take down Christiansburg. You have to have a predicate before you can attack this SCOTUS precedent. And so this is a once in a decade chance for us to take this down. It’s a very rare opportunity for, And we’ve got to take it. I mean, I will do anything in my power to make this happen because we’ve got the legal team and defendants. As defendants, we have the will, we’ve got the might, and we are going full force on this. We know we can do this. And if we can, it will ultimately help President Trump with his election order. You can see right now there are all these lawsuits being filed against Trump’s election EO. Trust me, they’re all going to be these civil rights cases brought under the same laws that we were charged under. And so if we can stop these NGOs from having this financial and legal advantage, We can help bigger agendas go through. It’s not just about us. And I think it’s really important to understand that we don’t get these chances often. This law has been in place since 78.
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So you have standing. This came in from Richard. He said, how about getting the people that defended Jack Phillips in that case? We’re long past that. We’ve got the legal team in place. We’ve got to raise the funds for this legal team. Thank you for that question, Richard. So you can text me 720-605-0647. If you go and give at the GiveSinGo, just text me so that I know that amount because I want to keep track on where we are. Holly Kasich, you are a patriot. Thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you, Kim. Thank you to your audience, too. Your generosity is overwhelming. Thank you. And Mark Twain said this.
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