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indeed let’s have a conversation and welcome to the kim munson show thank you so much for joining us you each are treasured you’re valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history and thank you to the team that’s producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike theresa amanda and all the people here at crawford broadcasting happy wednesday producer joe happy wednesday kim And you know what Wednesday is. That means it’s Wings Day at Hooters Restaurants. And you buy 20 wings. You get an additional 10 for free. That’s for to-go or to dine-in. And they have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. And a great place to get together to watch the playoff games. Hopefully the Avs are going to get it together and can pull this out so they can continue on their march towards the Stanley Cup. And the Hooters Restaurants is a great place to watch all of that happen. There is a lot going on in our world for sure, and we are always searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. And remember, my friends, it’s not compassionate, it’s not altruistic to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, livelihoods. Opportunity childhoods, we’re gonna be talking a lot about that today, lives via force. And force can obviously be a weapon, but it can be policy and unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation. This agenda by the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites and the United Nations, and we are seeing this play out with this Colorado state legislature and this governor. The radical activist extremists that have taken over the Democrat Party, particularly here in Colorado, It’s not the Democrats of Tip O’Neill or JFK or your grandpa or your grandma. This is a radical, extreme, overreaching group. And we see that playing out at the Colorado State Legislature with this Colorado governor. We see it with land use codes and zoning regulations and forced fees and conservation easements, national monument designations, these transmission lines easements, these CO2 pipeline easements. All of these things are taking property. And one of the inherent things of our founding was property rights. And, oh, my gosh, if you don’t own your property, both your physical property and your mental property, then you’re basically a slave is what happens. And so that’s why we have to reclaim our state and our country. Because, remember, if something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to use force to implement it. And on the show, we focus on the issues and really try to stay out of all this personality stuff. We certainly will mention people’s names, but we really are working hard to stay out of all of that. Let’s see here. I wanted to say thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. And then March 15th, excuse me, it’s May 15th. It’s right around the corner. Time goes too fast. Is the USMC Memorial Foundation Golf Tournament. And Teresa Irby, who is our partnership liaison, and I are going to go out there for lunch. And so we’d love to have you join us for a great day. I’m not a golfer, but if you are a golfer, it’s a great way to have a great round of golf, meet some really great people, and support the USMC Memorial Foundation. And to sign up for that, you can go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And do check out our website. that is kim munson mon son.com while you’re there sign up for our email newsletter that way you will get first look at all of our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays you can email me at kim kimmunson.com and i am a little behind on emails but i’m gonna i’m doing things to get that caught up so don’t give up on me you can text me at 720-605-0647 And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues, again, as I mentioned earlier, through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. The show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon, second hour 10 to 11 at night. And that is on all KLZ 560 platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And our word of the day is nebulous. And it is spelled N-E-B-U-L-O-U-S. It could be in the form of a cloud or haze, hazy. So for a concept, it could be unclear, vague, or ill-defined. And I think a lot of public policy is very nebulous. I think that it is on purpose. And your challenge will be to use nebulous in a sentence today. So our quote for the beginning of the show, I went to… Roy Rogers, because in the second hour, we’ll be talking with a couple of horse enthusiasts regarding something that is happening up in Boulder County. And, of course, Roy Rogers, he was nicknamed the King of Cowboys. He was born in 1911. He died in 1998. He was an American singer, actor, television host, and rodeo performer. And so first quote of the show, I’ll do Roy Rogers at the end because we’re talking to Jay Davidson about the Constitution. I used a James Madison quote at the end of the show. But I pulled two quotes from Roy Rogers. I thought both were pretty special. The first one, again, he said, this is commenting on Hollywood. He said, today they’re making pictures that I wouldn’t want Trigger to see. And for those young ones, Trigger was Roy Rogers’ horse. Hopefully you knew that, Joe. And then I love the other one that he said. He said, until we meet again, may the good Lord take a liking to you. And so that is Roy Rogers. and a big thing happening today is this house bill 25 1312 is being heard in the senate judiciary committee i did sign up to testify so i’m going to go down there teresa’s going with me and there’s going to be a a um meeting, if you will, I guess a rally, on the West Steps of the Capitol at 1030, put on by the Colorado Parents Advocacy Network. And I’m going to make sure that I’m down there for that. Lori Gimmelstein and that whole team over there is just doing amazing work. And so 10.30 will be the rally. And then I think the hearing starts about 1.30 in the afternoon. This is historic, what is happening in our country. And regarding this 13.12 is the transgender bill that basically says if you parents don’t affirm your child’s gender confusion delusion, the child protective services could take your child away from you and also then it’s also a another freedom of speech issue and that is is that if you don’t affirm somebody’s gender delusion confusion that it could be considered discriminatory And those things are really tyrannical. And so big rally down at the Capitol. And I’d love to have you join me down there because this is very historic. We’re at the tip of the spear on all of the stuff that is going on. And we are an independent voice. So I don’t have anybody corporate coming down telling me who the guests are going to be, what we’re going to talk about. We are truly an independent voice. And that’s why my sponsors are so important. I know each and every one of them personally. They all strive for excellence. 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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And the Center for American Values is located down in Pueblo, Colorado. And I really am honored to support them. They’re doing such great work honoring our history with their Medal of Honor, Portraits of Valor, and also these great educational programs and then wonderful On Values presentations. The next one will be at the end of May. And so be sure and check out their website to see all of the great work that they’re doing. And that is AmericanValuesCenter.org. On the line with me is one of my fellow CUT board members, the Colorado Union of Taxpayer Board members, and that is Mary Jansen. Mary, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. Can you believe we’re going to get through this?
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Oh, my gosh. It is amazing what is happening down there. And I quickly, I wanted to say thank you. This is an amazing group that we get to work with, Mary, our fellow volunteers, our board members. And that’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson, you, Dave Evans, Corey Onizorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. This is an amazing group. And Mary, I know you’re new to the board and came in kind of mid-session. What’s your read on everything and the work that CUT is doing?
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Well, actually, Kim, this is my second year. Is this the second year? It’s amazing.
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Oh, my gosh. I was thinking. You know what? You can see that I am just flabbergasted with this. I guess it’s Rick and Paula that just came on. I’m sorry about that.
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It goes by so quick, I can’t even believe it. Some of the things that they’re doing is just unreal.
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Well, it really is unreal. And let’s talk about 1312 first. And, well, first of all, give us your read on the board because I guess you did. You came in mid-year last year. And the work that we’re doing is pretty amazing, isn’t it?
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It is. It is. I mean, I’m flabbergasted at the knowledge that my fellow board members have. Sometimes I will think one way and then I’ll read what they say and I’m like, I didn’t even think about that. Or someone will pick out something of the bill that actually turns the whole thing around and actually says what it’s really doing. So, yeah, it’s a good thing to belong to. Makes me think, that’s for sure.
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And the other thing is we invested and created something called Cut Engaged, where it’s super easy for people to just weigh in on bills that we have selected. And one of those is this 1312. And so two things, I need to check and see if you can still go online and sign the petition for Lori today. gimble stein over at colorado parents advocacy network but also we have 1312 on cutting gauge you can very easily go on there and if you want to you can put a comment on there you don’t have to and you can send the email to the bill sponsors and also to the uh to your legislator your senator and your representative and so we’re really excited about that and people are using that which is which is great So first thing, House Bill 1312 that’s going to be heard in committee today, this is this transgender bill where kids could be taken away from their families. What’s your comments on that, Mary Jansen?
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It definitely needs to be put down. It’s such a bad bill. It’s tyranny. It’s bullying. It’s unconstitutional. It’s going to destroy families. It’s just a bad bill. Yeah. Yeah, it’s just a bad bill. And I don’t know, did you do your word of the day yet?
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Nebulous.
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Maybe I thought it was going to be a different one. And so I made a I made a sentence about it.
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Well, you know what I did. So you tell me because I I went to a meeting last night and I didn’t get home till late. And I looked at my word of the day and I think I left it there because I think you were going to send something over. And then I got to the outline this morning and it wasn’t there. So I pull that one quickly. So what’s your word of the day?
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So my word of the day was duplicitous. And I are duplicitous. Excuse me, I said it wrong. Duplicitous. You got to learn how to say them, too. And my sentence was the laws that our Colorado lawmakers, some of the laws that our Colorado legislature or lawmakers seem obviously immoral, duplicitous and unfair.
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And I will use that, and I’ll get that spelling for us too. I think I know how to spell it, but we’ll do that in the next hour, so great thing. Let’s jump in here. There’s several bills, there’s so many bills that there’s a lot of bad things that are under the radar. And so let’s start with this, let’s see, this is Senate Bill 25276, Protect Civil Rights Immigration Status. And the prime sponsors on this are Senator Julie Gonzalez, Senator Mike Weissman, Representative Elizabeth Velasco, and Representative Lorena Garcia. Your thoughts on Senate Bill 276, Protect Civil Rights Immigration Status.
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Yeah, here’s another bad bill. This is like nothing, it does nothing to protect civil rights of citizens. And I found that what our lawmakers do is they call them residents, not citizens. So we really don’t know who they’re really talking about because A resident could be anybody, but a citizen, at least we know it’s us, because they can’t be citizens, right, because they don’t have any papers on saying that they’ve gone through the citizen process. And this bill is to all benefit the illegal aliens, especially those that have committed additional crimes. There’s potentially a large fiscal impact from this bill also, so they’re taking our tax dollars and paying for it.
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And so, yes, and so that’s Senate Bill 276, cuts a no on that. Let’s get to the next one. Senate Bill 25305, Water Quality Permitting Efficiency, and the sponsors on this are Senator Barbara Kirkmeyer, Senator Jeff Bridges, Representative Shannon Byrd, and Representative Rick Taggart. Your thoughts on this, Mary Jansen?
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So I’m glad our board voted no on this. It starts out good. It starts out saying, you know, we have a backlog in permitting, right? They already have, what, 18 employees working. What is causing the backlog? And so what they want to do is throw more money at it, hire more people, throw more money at it, and expect that it would take, oh, and actually more regulations and more lawyers. pay from our lawyers to do this. And the problem is that it takes money from one area, puts it in another, and you really can’t follow the money. It’s kind of like a shell game.
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Okay. So next one we wanted to let people know about is Senate Bill 25307, Decarbonization Tax Credits Administration Cash Fund. Senator Judy Emma Biles, Senator Jeff Bridges, Representative Emily Sirota, and Representative Shannon Byrd are the sponsors. Your comments on this, Mary Janssen?
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Well, here’s another shell game. We also voted no on this. And this one, like I said, on the positive side, it prevents excessive diversion of the severance tax revenue and puts it towards decarbonation efforts. But the rest of the bill is just a shell game to confuse us where the money is going. It’s another… Oh, and also the safety clause. These people are using the safety clause, which is… Everybody, I hope, knows what the safety clause is. So…
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Well, and if you’re signed up for our emails that you would get in, it’s only $25 to join us at coloradotaxpayer.org. We’ve got an excellent explanation of the safety clause there. And so next one, House Bill 25-13-14. We had talked with this, with Mike Rolick about this, but again, wanted to talk with you about it. sponsors on this are Representative William Lindstedt, Representative Emily Sirota, Senator Kathy Kipp, peace officer status for certain Department of Revenue employees. Ugg, your thoughts?
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Well, again, we all voted no. And having your IRS agent armed, are we talking force or freedom or what? Are you freely paying your taxes? Are they going to be when you see that gun, when they come in to check your taxes. And also, you know, do we get due process with this?
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Oh, that’s such a good point, such an important point on that. And then let’s see, the last one was 1330. And so tell us about that bill.
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1330, are we talking about the quantum computing bill?
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I think that’s it, yes. Okay. We’re all really having a difficult time on that. That’s the exempting quantum computing equipment on that, and I’ll get the sponsors for you on that as well. But that one, we really went back and forth on this. The sponsors on this are Representative Brittany Titone, Representative Matt Soper, Senator Nick Hendrickson, and Senator Mark Baisley. And so your thoughts on that, Mary?
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So, yeah, this one… You know, remember when they had the Patriot Act and we all like, OK, I understand it. But I mean, this could be good. I don’t understand. I think we’re trying to protect certain permitting, not permits. What do you call it? Repair, repair, repair, certain repairs. So it doesn’t give out money. information of how things are made. So I get it, but then again, it could be a slippery slope. I don’t know, kind of like the Patriot Act.
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Well, and we did come down as a yes on that, but it’s a very teepid yes, I would say, on that because the board really did have significant concerns on that. So Mary Jansen, we have a minute left. This is great. I love your commentary. What’s your final thought you’d like to leave with our listeners?
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Oh, I just had someone call me yesterday and talk about the Get Cut Engaged and how easy it is. And it’s the best thing. They said it was great. It was just easy to use. They were able to get things off to their sponsors and their representatives. And she found out that I didn’t know this lady was my representative. So she did find out that. It’s just a great tool. And I think it’s going to make a difference. I really do. And it was something that I was so proud of Cut doing.
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Well, and you know what? You’re the one that had the idea for it.
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Okay, that was just part, but it was the rest. It just all fell into place. It was a miracle.
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It was great. Mary Jansen, thank you for your great work, and we will continue on. You just have a great day.
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Thank you, Kim. We’ll see you at the rally.
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Thank you, Kim. It’s a pleasure to be on the line with you.
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Well, good to have you, Jay. And before we get into it, tell us just a little bit about First American State Bank.
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We’re a community bank, a commercial community bank. We have all the retail and business products you could want. On the lending side, we have… We’re predominantly a commercial real estate lending outfit, but we can certainly do a lot of home mortgages. We have a lot on our books. And on the operations or deposit side, we have full treasury management capability, mobile banking, some pretty high-tech offerings for the younger folks that know how to do that kind of stuff. But we’re a high-touch bank. like any other community bank out there. And we have a long legacy of being friends with our customers, and we enjoy our customers, and they enjoy us.
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What a nice relationship to have. Relationship banking, what a novel idea. I love that. How can people get more information about First American State Bank?
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Just dial up or type in FASBank.com, and you’ll come to our website. And you can see what we have to offer. But what you won’t see on the website and you can’t really see is the level of expertise that we have on the commercial side. If you’re a business person, we can help you, at least from a banking perspective on things that we do. And we do it quite well. We can certainly help you.
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Well, and so I’d recommend that people check out First American State Bank. And, Jay, also you are of the School of Austrian Economics, and explain that just a little bit to our listeners.
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Oh, okay. Austrian Economics is a school of thought that is actually diametrically opposed to what’s called Keynesian economic theory. For instance, the Keynesian theory is enacted today at the Federal Reserve. And the big name there is there’s two big names. One is modern monetary theory, MMT, which basically says that the government can print any number of dollars that they want and it’s not inflationary. And it actually helps the economy because a dollar spent by the government has a 1.05 percent increase in the GDP. And that’s totally wrong, but that’s what they’re saying. The other thing they do as a part of MMT is called QE, which is quantitative easing. And that’s the mechanism by which the Fed printed, believe it or not, folks, $8 trillion United States dollars from 2008 until recently. And you might say, well, what does that matter? It’s just it’s no big deal. And actually, it’s the reason for the inflation that you’re seeing today. Because inflation is nothing more than devaluation of the United States dollar. The more you have of a commodity, the less that commodity on an individual unit basis buys. That’s why when you go to the grocery store, you’re buying the same products and you’re paying 50% more for those same products. You can call it inflation, but in reality, the same thing, it’s dollar devaluation. And, go ahead.
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Well, my father called it the silent thief.
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Yeah, good one. Yeah.
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Yeah, because you might have $20 in your pocket, but if it only buys $10 worth of goods of what it used to, then somehow that other $10 is gone. And in a way, it is a silent thief. And it’s really difficult for people on fixed incomes, Jay Davidson. Yeah.
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Yeah, it’s terrible for people that are hurting, that are just living off whatever they’ve earned before. It kills them. And if I could go on then to what I would consider the better economic theory, which is called the Austrian School of Economics. That was started in the 1800s by a gentleman named von Mises. And his accolade, his student, and then eventually the leader of the Austrian school was Mr. Hayek, F.A. Hayek. And then their student and then eventual leader was a gentleman named Milton Friedman, who is contemporary with us. Those of us that are older than others remember him with great fondness. He was such a rational man. But the Austrian School of Economics says a couple of things. Number one, the Federal Reserve should exist only under its prime directive. And that prime directive, when it was started in 1911 under Woodrow Wilson, was to protect the value of the United States dollar. Now, that seems innocuous, but I can tell you as a banker, that is one of the most important statements you could possibly say. And I must say that the Fed has blown it. I mean, the dollar has devalued. in the 100 years since, by almost 98%. You know, it’s ridiculous. And yet they continue, and then they go on and do a dual mandate, like full employment. Well, excuse me, government. First off, a strong dollar and full employment are antithetic to each other. You can’t have both. It doesn’t work. Second, full employment is totally and 100%. Employment in the private sector, and that’s none of your business. That’s what businesses do. We employ people. So the Austrian School of Economics, I’m a great adherent of it. I would recommend any book by Hayek’s best, most well-known book is called The Road to Surf. And that kind of underlines my article in American Thinker called What is Trump Missing? And then anything Milton Friedman wrote is very straightforward, very simple. He takes complex economic theory and breaks it down into individual factors. If you want to understand economics, read Friedman. Whether you have an economics background or not, you’ll understand him. He makes sense. And the attitude with the Austrian school is that we want a limited government. limited by, in this case, and we’ll talk about later, I think, the Constitution. And that’s why the Founding Fathers created the Constitution. The reason was that they didn’t want the government to get too powerful and too strong, because when the government does get too powerful through regulation, taxation and spending or debt, then it crushes private enterprise, the individual. And that’s what we’re feeling today. That’s the malice that you feel today in your work, in your home, when you’re pinching your pennies. This is a direct result of a Keynesian theory, not an Austrian school theory of economics.
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So I think that’s a good segue to your recent article in American Thinker, and that is regarding that Trump understands that government needs to be put back into its proper limited role, but he’s having some messaging challenges.
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Yeah, I think Trump and Musk over at Doge are—I’m impressed at what they’re doing. Honestly, I’m blown away. Because in one sense, they’re forcing government and all the bureaucrats there and the government employees to look at their job function, to look at what they’re doing. They’re forcing them to be held accountable for what they have done and what they are doing. And the message that I think Trump is missing, let me back up a second. The message that’s getting out there in the media, and in this case the Democrats, not so much the Republicans, the criticism is that Trump is firing individuals. And it’s a valid criticism. He is, absolutely. But so once again, the left-wing media, mass media, is pulling on our heartstrings like they always do. Here’s this poor person that worked for five years in Washington, now he has to leave. And I get that. I feel sorry for the guy. I really do. We all do. But the message that is being missed here, the greater message, is that we citizens have a burden on our back, not only the taxation, which is extremely high if you’re doing anything at all in your life, And if you add in all the fees and individual taxes in your county, state, municipality, et cetera, you’re paying an incredible amount of your dollars into the government. And what Trump and Doge are fighting against is this excessive drain of resources from the private sector. Remember, all government revenue, all of it comes from us. in the private sector. You’re paying for that government. And it’s come to a point, especially with the inflation of the dollar devaluation, which is a silent thief, as you said, it’s come to the point that we can no longer afford to spend the kind of money that we have been spending so frivolously. And I’m not knocking Democrats here because there’s a lot of Republicans that do the same thing and they’re both wrong. And so today, when I think about a politician, I talk about big government and small government or limited government politicians. And 100% of the time, I will support the limited government politician, period, and never the larger government person. So here Trump is doing some really good things, believe it or not, with cutting back on government spending. which then will force the government to cut back on these entitlement programs and these bureaucrats that they hire and force them to bring federal spending under control by reducing and getting rid of the waste in the government. So it’s a brilliant move, but Trump’s not taking credit for it. That’s the frustrating thing. That’s why I wrote the article. You know, you need to tell the people why you’re doing this, Mr. Trump. You’ve got to say it.
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Why? So what would be the pushback? Because I, like you, my heart breaks when… Somebody loses a job. I think about their family and their mortgage, all those things. But I was talking with Daniel Turner with Power of the Future just right after this whole thing started. And and he said, but Kim, under Joe Biden. The Democrats didn’t care at all about all of the oil and gas workers that lost their jobs when he canceled the Keystone Pipeline. You didn’t hear anybody concerned about that. And I thought, oh, that is a very excellent point. And the other thing is, is a government out of control. We will have a day of reckoning. And as difficult as some of these stories are from the Democrats is, if we don’t get government back into its proper role, we will have a day of reckoning that will be so painful for all Americans that we need to realize that that’s the thing that Trump is trying to, I think, avoid. And to your point, he needs to articulate that with people.
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Yeah, exactly. And but I’ve got to criticize Trump, too. And, you know, forgive me, all you mega folks. I I respect you, what you’re saying and thinking. But on the one hand, Trump and Doge are reducing the size and scope of government, forcing spending reductions and holding bureaucrats accountable. Brilliant move. Thank you, guys. It’s been a long time coming. On the other hand, he’s adding to the tax burden of citizens who consume Chinese products. It’s called tariffs. Really? What harebrained idea is that? I’m sorry, but wishful thinking is not rational thinking. And if you want to bring manufacturing back into the United States, do it a better way, a more intelligent way, rather than beating the heck out of the individual citizen with more taxes or tariffs. Do what you’re doing on Doge. You’re reducing the regulatory burden imposed on private enterprise by government activity. And you’re reducing the spending… which will have an impact on the tax rates that we’re being charged that we have to pay for living in America. That’s the benefit that we have because the reason that these businesses left the United States, honestly, was the excessive government burden on private enterprise.
SPEAKER 10 :
Good point. So let’s continue the discussion. I’m talking with Jay Davidson, a great sponsor of the show. He’s also the CEO and founder of First American State Bank. Another great sponsor of the show is Lorne Levy for Everything Mortgages.
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and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson mon son.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it And pleased to have on the line with me, you know him. He is the founder and CEO of First American State Bank, Jay Davidson. We’re talking about a piece that was published recently at American Thinker back April 15th, What Trump is Missing. And he’s doing, as you said, Jay, many of the right things regarding trying to get government resources. put back in its proper limited role. But you mentioned tariffs, and certainly that’s something that’s getting a lot of play in the media as well. And you mentioned that I don’t think you really like the tariffs. I’ve had friends of mine that have said that the tariffs have been basically a tool in Trump’s toolbox to try to negotiate with China, and he doesn’t have a lot of tools in his toolbox. How would you respond to that, Jay?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I’ve heard that argument, and I’ve argued against it for some time. And I respect the argument. I see what people are thinking. But if you think economically and rigidly, it doesn’t work. You know, let me kind of dissect this a little bit. What is a tariff? A tariff is a tax. Who pays the tariff? The American citizen buying the Chinese product, period. So how do you… increase freedom and limit government by adding another tax burden on American citizens. And I get the argument that China subsidizes their manufacturing and creates an unfair advantage. I get it. You’re right.
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100%.
SPEAKER 08 :
But I submit that the solution to that problem is right here within our own government and our own nation, not by adding some artificial new rule or law called a tariff onto people’s shoulders here in the United States. What I wrote in another article that was recently published was that we need to look at the reason that manufacturing moved from the United States, let’s say into China, Singapore, Hong Kong, wherever, Vietnam, And that reason is our government. It was the government’s actions that forced these businesses to go find a better way to manufacture and produce their goods. And what do I mean by that? Well, when the government excessively regulates and excessively taxes and excessively spends and puts too much debt on our shoulders, We are no longer a capitalistic economy. We’re not following the proper economic theory called the Austrian school theory that works, that preserves capitalism, lets it grow. And we are actually, when all these executive orders come down, all this spending is done on federal bureaucrats, we’re killing the golden goose here. And you can knock capitalism all you want, but there’s nothing better to promote one’s freedom than capitalism, because capitalism is based on a limited government, for one thing, and number two, the right to possess property. It’s an inalienable right, honestly. And that’s being subjugated by government action right now. It’s a long way around the topic. There’s a lot more complexity to tariffs than just smack China in the face. Well, all they’re going to do is smack us back in the face. That is not an intelligent move. I’m sorry. And it doesn’t solve the problem, which is manufacturing happening in China.
SPEAKER 10 :
So I think you’re spot on, and that is lowering taxes and rules and regulations and fees and all those things, and we’ve got to work towards that. What about some of the talk has been about getting rid of the income tax. Do you think that’s a real possibility or not, Jay Davidson?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, the government revenue, income that the government receives, is almost exclusively based on taxes. So what, all right, get rid of income tax. What, what is the government going to do next to fund themselves? I mean, they’re not going to change their attitude. If you go into a government job, you want safety above everything else. And you really probably don’t care much what happens to the people that pay your salary because there’s no accountability for it. So, I don’t think you can get rid of income tax. It would be nice if you could.
SPEAKER 10 :
So the key then, really, to lower income tax would be to lower government spending. There could be that correlation, yes?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, absolutely. You just nailed it right there. That’s a perfect statement.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, Jay, here in Colorado, this legislative session will be over soon. But this legislature likes spending money a lot. And many Republicans have tried to stop that or at least stand in the gap on that. But here in Colorado, we’ve got a real spending problem.
SPEAKER 08 :
We do. Absolutely. Absolutely. We’re one of the bluest states out there now, and that comes with spending. And so this is the same argument or discussion that we had about Trump taking credit for what he’s doing. You know, Republicans aren’t doing a good job of having these kinds of discussions. They’re not sitting down with citizens saying, you know what, I don’t believe in more government. No. No. The politicians come to us and they say, yeah, I’m going to pass a new law to help you. I can’t tell you how that sets me off. I don’t want a new law, and I sure as almighty don’t want your help, Mr. Government Guy. Leave me alone. I’m tired of you. You cost me too much. You put too many regulations on me. You make it difficult to do simple things. So this is the difference in what I see as necessary to limit government. and what most people are giving lip service to, which is, oh, yeah, the government can solve any problem. Let’s let the government solve it. Well, think to the next step, folks. How is the government going to solve it? And why do you think they’re going to solve a problem that maybe private enterprise can’t solve? Who is more efficient at getting people up into space, Elon Musk or NASA? Think about it. There’s a place for government. You know, we’ve got to have it. But there’s only a place for limited government. And the point that I’m trying to make is that government has gotten way too big, way too powerful. There’s unbelievable criminal waste of our taxpayer dollars, and they have the audacity to come back to us and try to tax us more every time we turn around.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and that is the real beauty, I think, of Doge and the Department of Government Efficiency and what they have uncovered. And as I really look at that is they have been fleecing the American people for years. And when I say they, I’m talking about politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties that I’ve nicknamed PBIs. And here we have everyday hardworking people trying to make ends meet, take care of their families, try to live their American dream. And it’s very difficult to live the American dream when government is taking a big part of your property, the things that you’ve worked for. And that’s why we do this show. That’s why these pieces that you write are so important, Jay Davidson, to get people to think and start to understand the proper role of government. And once we do that and get government back in its proper role, The sky is the limit. And so the people that may be losing their job over here that were government employees, it does pull on my heartstrings. But if we get this economy really rocking and rolling, they can probably pursue their dreams even more, though, more on the private sector, I think.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I agree totally. Absolutely. Capitalism is actually commensurate with constitutional republic. Capitalism believes in free trade. And the definition of free trade is very simple and very straightforward, and it will define what that means. It is a willing buyer and a willing seller agreeing on a price without outside coercion. That’s fair trade. So, like, if you and I agree on the value of something, then we’ve established the fair value, the price of that item because we have the agreement between the buyer and seller and there’s no coercion outside of us. And this is the epitome of capitalist interchange, whether it’s barter or using money as a medium. It’s the epitome of what… our Constitution means. Excuse me a second, I’m gonna go off.
SPEAKER 10 :
Not a problem. And I think it’s important that our young people that have been taught in some of these schools that capitalism is just greedy people wanting to pad their pockets. I think it’s important that we understand that the real greed is with And that is government and business that get in bed with each other to use government to maybe stifle competition or a variety of things. But I think one of the biggest examples of greed is this resolution down at the Colorado State House where Democrats are wanting to file suit against to claim that TABOR, our Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights, is unconstitutional. And what TABOR does is several things. It limits government growth to excess revenue. They can collect to population plus inflation. If, in fact, government wants to grow more than that, they just have to ask we the people. It also limits spending as far as new taxes. They just have to ask us, and it limits incurring debt that we have to pay off. So the fact that the Democrats, these extreme Democrats, this is not the Democrat Party of JFK or Tip O’Neill or your grandpa and your grandma. This is a different Democrat Party. The fact that they are asking to keep it all, I think, is one of the greatest things that could happen. And I think that’s important that we bring that to people’s attention.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that’s a very good analysis. I totally agree with you on that. It’s amazing what this Democrat-controlled House and Senate and the governor have done over the many years that they’ve been in power. I mean, Colorado no longer is a safe state. Our crime rates have gone up dramatically. We were number one in car thefts, number three in violent crimes, I understand now. There’s Parts of downtown Denver, in fact, most of downtown Denver, I’m not going to go into, even though I can carry if I want to. I’m not going to get engaged in a gunfight just to go to see some entertainment. That’s just not worth it. And so a lot of the things that the current House and Senate are doing are not helping us. And, of course, the Republican Party’s meltdown with the former chair of the GOP has now thankfully been replaced. didn’t help matters. Republicans are not cohesive right now, and they’re not saying, they’re not telling the message that we’re trying to get across here with your show, which is I’m for limited government. It’s a simple message. Just get that one across and then live up to it. Don’t tell me that you’re going to pass another law or you’re going to help me out as a government employee. You can’t. I’ve seen it too often where it fails.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, Jay Davidson, to that point, we need to be electing people that are for limited government. And I really appreciate all that you do in this piece, An American Thinker. Let me have it here. What Trump is missing is so important. So, Davidson, your final thought.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, folks, it’s still a great nation. I mean, we were created with or founded with people that who fled tyranny, monarchy, overwhelming controls, and who fought a revolutionary war to gain their freedom. That blood still runs, courses through our veins, and it’s not gone away. We’ve got to be active in our own protection, in our own policies and politics. I’m not advocating for any kind of violence whatsoever. That’s ridiculous. I am advocating for standing up for your rights. And your rights are that your government is limited and must be limited and must be controlled. It’s like a fire. Fire is really great when it’s in a fireplace. Pretty bad when it burns your house down. Well, our government’s gotten too big and they’re burning the house down.
SPEAKER 10 :
well and we have we have the tool in our toolbox to do this and that was given to us it’s the u.s constitution and because your piece was talking about the constitution and and you quoted james madison went to james madison for our quoted the end of the show and he said this our constitution represents the work of the finger of almighty god so my friends today be grateful read great books think good thoughts listen to beautiful music communicate less and well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And stay tuned for our number two.
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Indeed. Welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show, and thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history, and thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. It is Wednesday, Producer Joe. Happy Wednesday, Kim. Happy Wednesday. I can’t believe that April is just about over. Tomorrow is the beginning of May, and there is so much going on. Colorado is at the tip of the spear of all of the crazy stuff that’s going on. And I know so many of us, we used to have people that were maybe a little envious that we lived in beautiful Colorado. Now we get phone calls from all over the country saying, what is going on there? We have lost our minds. And I say, yes, we have. It is definitely crazyville out here. And one of those things is happening today down at the Capitol. And this is the House Bill 251312 will be heard in the Senate Judiciary Committee. This bill is working its way through the process. And there’s going to be a rally at the Capitol at 1030. The Colorado Parents Advocacy Network is putting that on. And go to their website at That is coloradoparents.org, and you very easily can sign a petition indicating that you do – that just get rid of this House Bill 251312, which what it is, it basically says that if a family does not affirm their child’s gender – delusion or confusion, which has been fomented through the education system, through Planned Parenthood, doing sex ed stuff and all kinds of other outside organizations in schools. And of course, kids are very impressionable. All these people know that. They come home, they say, hey, I’m confused. If you don’t affirm it, child protection services could take your child away. And if you don’t affirm somebody else’s gender delusion or confusion, uh, in this bill that you could be, um, accused of, uh, discrimination. And so it’s a real freedom of speech issue. It’s a family, family issue. And so there will be a big rally today at 10 30, uh, down at the state house. And then you can sign up to testify as well. And, um, I would recommend that you check all that out. And that website is coloradoparents.org. And then also go over to coloradotaxpayer.org, which is the Colorado Union of Taxpayers website. And we’ve selected bills that you can weigh in on. 1312 is one of those. It’ll take you – I think Ben Williams said yesterday it took him 20 seconds to do one particular bill. That is pretty fast. And so be sure and – Check that out and hold on here. Oh, okay. And Patty just texted me. It’s not just only CPAN. It’s also Protect Kids Colorado at 1030. So both those organizations, they work very closely together. So Protect Kids Colorado and Colorado Parents Advocacy Network 1030. I’m going to be there. Teresa Irby, our partnership liaison, is going to be there as well. Okay, our word of the day is Mary Jansen, who was on earlier in the first hour as our CUT representative today, is duplicitous. And it’s spelled D-U-P-L-I-C-I-T-O-U-S. And it could be given to or marked by deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech, deceitful or double-dealing. And I think that you could have a synonym and just put Democrats at the Colorado State Legislature and this governor, and that could be a definition of duplicitous. And so I’ll see you at 1030, all of you down there. Let’s go ahead and get into the other things that we like to do and check out the website. That is Kim Munson dot com and sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com. The text line I want to hear from you is 720-605-0647. And our quote of the day. I at the end of the show, we have James Madison because first our guest was Jay Davidson. We were talking about the Constitution and. And but in this hour, there’s something going on up in Boulder County regarding the Boulder County commissioners have stopped allowing after 30 years people to use the Boulder County fairgrounds arena for horseback riding during the cold winter months. And so I thought, so we’re going to have a couple of people talk about that in this last segment. So I thought, well, a cowboy, who would be? And I thought Roy Rogers. And he was born in 1911. He died in 1998. He was nicknamed the King of Cowboys. He was an American singer, actor, television host, and rodeo performer. And he had two quotes that I thought, I just thought I’d use both of them. The first one is, he was commenting on Hollywood, and this was a while back. He said, today they’re making pictures that I wouldn’t want Trigger to see. And then I also love this other one. Until we meet again, may the good Lord take a liking to you. And I better explain for some of you that Trigger was Roy Rogers’ horse. I’m going to ask Lorne Levy if he knew that Trigger was Roy Rogers’ horse. Lorne Levy, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 01 :
Hey, good morning, Kim. And yes, I did. And yes, I’m old.
SPEAKER 10 :
That was not part of it. But I think you’re right. I was thinking when I mentioned Trigger, I thought, I wonder if producer Joe and producer Luke, who are just, they both just turned 27, I think. I wonder if they knew that. But I was thinking about inflation and interest rates. And so where are we at this week?
SPEAKER 01 :
Right now we’re in, you know, we talk about all the time, we’re in this… I don’t know if in this period of time where things are just kind of moving up and down ever so slightly. So we’ve seen a little bit of pullback in the 10-year treasury in the last few days, which has helped rates come down. You know, we’re still with a handle on the six in front of it right now. People are looking for home loans, which is great because we know, you know, with Karen and everything, the inventory is up. Anyone driving around should be seeing more signs now, which is great. More choice for buyers. and there is still competition out there. There are people that are having to make, you know, multiple bids, and so the market is, you know, it’s happening. There’s transactions happening. There’s more inventory, and so things are moving along, and that’s because we’re in the heart of the spring season right now, you know?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and so getting pre-qualified is super important, yes?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yes, absolutely, especially if you may be finding yourself in a position where you might have to you know get into some sort of a multiple multiple bid situation you need to know what what you can afford and what that payment would look like and um and definitely stay on top of it
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and you could probably use this as a negotiation tool as well on a particular house as well. So let’s see. I’m just thinking of a scenario. Let’s say that there’s a house that has been on the market for a little while, and it’s probably because it came on the market maybe overpriced or didn’t understand market conditions. If you’re pre-qualified and you know what you can – pay, you might be able to kind of use that as a negotiating tool. Yes, no, or what do you think?
SPEAKER 01 :
One of the things that we make sure we do is, and I talk about this with people all the time, people always ask me what they can qualify for. And we kind of reverse engineer that into what kind of payment do they want to have? Because a lot of times people can qualify for more than what they want to spend on their mortgage. Because of the fact that a mortgage qualification does not take into effect like groceries or we don’t necessarily care about your utility bills, we’re only using the items that are on your credit report. So most people can qualify for more of a mortgage payment than they want to make. So when we give them a pre-qualification letter, we don’t give it to them until they’re making an offer on a home so that it’s tailored to that offer so that they have leverage when they go talk to a seller. The seller doesn’t know exactly how much they’re qualified for because it’s usually more. And so we want to protect our buyers, but we also want to make sure that they can, that it’s a payment they can manage and they can afford when they add in all their other bills that they’re going to have along with the mortgage.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Okay. So with the market and more houses on the market, is that affecting the reverse mortgage arena at all?
SPEAKER 01 :
No, it’s not. What affects the reverse mortgage arena is if rates were to come down and the rates that are affecting the mortgage would come down, people would qualify for more money in a reverse. And we’re not seeing too much of that, maybe a little bit. But the fact that there’s more homes moving, the only way that would really help reverse mortgages or affect them is what price these homes sell for because reverse mortgages are based primarily on the appraisal of the home. So the more values hold up, the more values go up, the better it is for people looking for a reverse versus if values were to come down for some reason, then they wouldn’t have access to as much funds. So we like to see that homes are moving and that they’re not having to drop prices when it comes to helping people looking for reverses.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Well, and Lauren, I love the fact regarding everything mortgages. You can help people in all states, just not New York. And then you also work with a variety of different companies. So there’s a variety of different products. You’re just not locked in with one particular company. And so I love the fact that you have all these choices for people.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, and it’s not easy all the time because we’re trying to find the best deal at the best rate at the best experience for people at the same time. But it is always worth the phone call. We’re always going to try to point you in the best and right direction. And so whether it be for a home equity line or for a reverse mortgage or we just helped a lady yesterday that refinanced. Actually, her rate on her home went up, but she was having some issues with a pretty heavy car payment. at a high rate and a couple of credit cards that are in the 20s. And so overall, we saved her hundreds of dollars yesterday in her life. She couldn’t have been happier, almost in tears, because now she can handle everything. So even refinances are an opportunity right now for certain people that need help.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Well, how can people reach you, Lorne Levy?
SPEAKER 01 :
The best way is always just give a call, 303-880-8881.
SPEAKER 10 :
For Everything Mortgages, that’s Lorne Levy, 303-880-8881. Lorne, we’ll talk to you next week.
SPEAKER 01 :
Okay. Thank you so much, Kim.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And I wanted to say thank you to the Harris family, my good friend Susan Harris and her family for their goal sponsorship of the show. It is Wednesday. And so that means it’s a Trent Luce Wednesday. Trent Luce, sixth-generation farmer and rancher, welcome.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hi, Kim. Glad to be here.
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Joe said that I need to ask you about Roy Rogers’ horse, Trigger.
SPEAKER 07 :
I actually saw Trigger. In real life? Yes, in real life.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, so does that make you old?
SPEAKER 07 :
So maybe you don’t know the rest of the story, but when Roy Rogers, when Traeger, I think he was like 35 years old or something, he had him stuffed and the horse still exists. And as well as buttermilk, which was Dale Evans’ horse, and Bullet, the dog, And Patrick Gotch, in his infinite wisdom, the founder of RFD TV, purchased that trio, I think, for $250,000. And then they put them on display at their – they had a little museum, RFD museum or theater, RFD theater – in Branson, Missouri, and one day I was down there on a radio deal, and, yeah, I stood there with Trigger.
SPEAKER 10 :
Did you get your picture taken?
SPEAKER 07 :
And he doesn’t eat. You know, I was there 20 years ago, and we didn’t pack around digital cameras like we do today. So, no, I don’t think I did.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that’s interesting you’re talking about Trigger. He doesn’t eat as much as he used to. He’s on a diet.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, true that. Well, I pulled two quotes from Roy Rogers, which I loved. And the first one was because we’re going to be talking about some horse enthusiasts here in the last segment. And I loved both of these quotes. The first was, today they’re making pictures I wouldn’t want Trigger to see. And the other is, until we meet again, may the Lord take a liking to you. I loved those quotes. But first thing, Trent Luce, what happened in your life this week? Because there’s so much going on out there in our world.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I’ll start with the great news. I went to a high school, spoke Monday, York High School, a couple of ag groups. And you’ll remember a month or so, a month and a half ago maybe, I was in Marcus, Iowa. At another high school, I spoke there as well, and I’m talking about those two high schools because there are people within the school systems, the York High School, the Ag Department, Jason Hirschfeld and Rachel Stare, two ag teachers, and Marcus Iowa, Matt Hanson, Nick Long are two industrial technology teachers. And these two schools are doing what students need to have done today, which is teaching them skills to prepare themselves for life. And so it’s a real upbeat experience at York High School. And this all started in 2014 when they farrowed a sow in the ag shop. Well, actually, go back to that. They bred the sow, artificially inseminated the sow in the ag class. And then they farrowed that sow. Interesting story. York County is the number one irrigated county in the state or in the nation. There’s more irrigated acres and water used in York County, Nebraska than any irrigation county in the nation. And so I say that because it’s a very agricultural county. And yet when this guilt started farrowing at a basketball game, the first home basketball game of January 2015, the the announcer of the game mistakenly said, oh, I’ve just been informed that there’s a sow farrowing in the ag shop.
SPEAKER 06 :
The entire basketball stadium exited.
SPEAKER 07 :
They all went to the ag shop to see the sow that was giving birth to these pigs, which was pretty funny. But Jason Hirshfield and at the end, Cal Williams, who was ag advisor as well at that time, They saw that there was a real opportunity here for kids in the classroom. And now every single kid in the Ag Department of York High School, which I believe is right at 150, has an animal in that shop that they have to take care of before they go home from school every day.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, that teaching responsibility is so important. And that’s one of the things kids in the city don’t have. You have to work a little harder to make sure that your kids are having to learn responsibility. But I’ve heard different employers say, say that that many times they will look for kids from agricultural areas when they are looking for employees because they know that many of these kids have learned responsibility they’ve learned work ethic and i’d also talked to an employer that said that there are some kids that apply for a job that have graduated from college and they’ve never had a job they haven’t had a lawn mowing job They have not had a job. My mother said to me when I was, I think I was 13. Of course, I’d done babysitting and I’d helped work. Now, we only had crops, but I wouldn’t help my dad out on the farm. But she said, okay, you’re going to get a job. My first job was, I think I was 13. maybe I was 14, at Daylight Donut and Chicken Inn. And she said, you need to learn how to make change and work with people. And it was a great job. And so kids need to work, I think. And I love that. I love that whole story, Trent.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And the other interesting thing about York High School is that even though it’s a very agricultural community and county, Only 20% of the kids in the entire ag department live on a farm. 80% are kids that have zero exposure to farm and work ethic. And in many cases, we have to believe that these are kids that come from challenged home lives. And so the sense of accomplishment and the sense of responsibility, I assure you, Kim, there is no better education than that entire system. than what those kids are getting in that egg shop with those animals. And those animals include chickens, quail, snakes, mice, rats, you name an exotic animal, rabbits, a tremendous amount of rabbits. It’s a very varied group. And the big hit this week was there was a unique cat, and Jason told me what the name of the cat was, that had kittens. And so there’s just so many things happening there, and the kids – are not only just providing daily care. Jason said we make a point of making sure the kids are involved in the normal worming process and all of the things that you do that typically don’t get a lot of attention but are key to the future of this whole process.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think that’s awesome. Meanwhile, Trent, you’re in Nebraska. Out here in Colorado, there is a big rally today. This legislative session is just about over, and there’s so many pieces of legislation. A lot of it’s under the radar. People are not aware of it. This one’s getting a lot of attention. national attention and it’s house bill 25 13 12 and protect kids colorado and colorado parents advocacy network will be having a rally at 10 30 down at the state house i’m headed down to that this particular bill uh trent if you i think we can’t remember we talked about it or not but but it basically does several things but one of them is if a family if parents do not affirm a child’s gender confusion or gender delusion, which has been fomented at many of these schools, then Child Protection Services could take your child from you. That’s right here in the United States of America. And if, in fact, you as a person do not affirm someone’s gender confusion or delusion, that could be considered discriminatory. And Colorado used to be a wonderful state. We’re crime-ridden. It’s crazyville down there. And we are working to reclaim this state. But this is totally different out here in Colorado from York, Nebraska.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, this is an atrocity. I mean, what is fixing to take place, and hopefully this rally makes a difference. And it does because, you know, we have another success story. We talked about the mods. We’ll get to that. And that’s happened because of people coming together and uniting and getting one voice magnified to the tune of 1,000. And you can make the same thing happen. But how we continue to commoditize these kids is just mind-boggling to me. That these kids are somehow just game for our, our prey for our games to be played by human beings and adults. I don’t understand it.
SPEAKER 10 :
I don’t either. And Eric sent a text in, and this is interesting. He’s such a strategic thinker. And he said, Kim, to you and Trent, one would think that the Broncos, the Nuggets, the Rockies, and the Avalanche in full force would have reached out to me or someone about what these radical extremist Democrats are doing to our kids. But we hear crickets. And I think that’s a really interesting point that he brings up, Trent.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, absolutely. And I’m continually perplexed by what gets attention, what doesn’t get attention. Where is there a distraction? Clearly, there are distractions away from what is taking place here.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, and there’s so many distractions. And that’s why what you’re doing, what we’re doing, shedding light on this to try to get through all this chaos and confusion is really important. So we’ll continue the discussion when we come back. I’m talking with sixth-generation farmer and rancher Trent Luce. You can find him at Luce Tales Media. That’s L-O-O-S, Tales Media. And he’s on Beck TV as well. And these are really important discussions. And not only are our children under attack, But also under attack is our Second Amendment, and that’s why I’m very pleased to have the Second Syndicate as a new sponsor.
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SPEAKER 14 :
I miss me.
SPEAKER 10 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we were just talking about instilling work ethic and values and in our next generation. And that is one of the things that is the focus of the Center for American Values, focusing on these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. And they’re located in Pueblo, Colorado. And I love their beautiful portraits of valor honoring our Medal of Honor recipients. And so you really need to put on your bucket list to get down there. And that website is AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. Coming in on the text line, this is from Jenny. She’s wondering, apparently Bill Gates owns a bunch of land in Nebraska. Does he own land around York, Nebraska?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, he does not. He owns land within 30 miles, no, about 50 miles of my house in Howard County. And then the rest of his land is mostly in north central. Holt County is where a lot of it’s concentrated. That would be O’Neill. And I am told by folks in O’Neill over to the northeastern corner of Nebraska, he’s got a standing offer to buy any farmland that comes up.
SPEAKER 17 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Wow. So next thing, this came in from Susan. She said kids do need to work more and spend less time in school. And it doesn’t take that long to learn reading, writing, and math. And… What we’re finding, again, is there’s only a certain amount of school time available, and the fact that they’re pushing these agendas. I did a Zoom meeting that Ben Williams had put together, and he lives out in Bennett. And Linda White with Grandparents for Kids had done a little bit of research, and she only 18% of the kids were proficient, and I think it was math, in that school district. And my gosh, I think that we should all be, and Bennett’s not alone. This is happening in lots of different school districts in Colorado, and even the best, hardly anybody is at 50% of kids being proficient in reading, writing, and arithmetic. I think we need to get our money back, or what’s going on in these classrooms today? if kids are not learning how to read and write and do arithmetic. So focus on that. And then I agree with Susan as well that kids need to be working a lot more. I don’t think a little work never killed anybody, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re not teaching the kids. And this is not a reflection of the teachers. This is a reflection of the system that they’ve been put in. They’re asking these kids to memorize things for tests. in order to achieve what they need for standards, and that’s not working either because I don’t understand this, Kim. It doesn’t matter what state I’m in, where I go, how much money they spend to educate the kids. They’re still in the bottom third of their proficiency. It’s like where are the kids in the top third? Why is every school that I’m aware of in the bottom one-third? And to bring this on home, it’s bad enough that we’re talking about that we are not proficient properly educating our nation’s youth in these public schools we’re spending more money we’re physical financially breaking creating bankruptcies for farm and ranch families and business owners and real estate property or excuse me residential property to fund these schools that are not educating our kids this is not just a one-prong approach that we’re not getting it done We’re spending more money than people can continue to afford to put into these school systems and yet not preparing them for the future. This is a double-edged sword that needs to be fixed.
SPEAKER 10 :
And you really have nailed that. And so that’s a great segue into our next subject. And first of all, this was a headline. Colorado lawmakers warn financial woes are just beginning as Governor Jared Polis signs $44 billion budget. So this budget has grown significantly. We’re spending money on things that are not the proper role of government. So they are going after, they’re raiding cash funds. We see that as we’re looking at bills through the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And, of course, they’re going to go to the people. And Jim May had called, I talked with him, and then a text message that they’re changing the ag designation order. on um it sounds like possibly on property taxes we’re still trying to unpack this a bit But first of all, I really think that we need to be treating everything equally. And I think we need to have low taxes. So ideally, I’d like to have taxes just lowered across the board. But until that time, there had been, I guess, with an ag designation, the property taxes were at a different percentage, I think. And it sounds like they may be changing that. And you and I have talked about it, the inputs. for the fuel and the fertilizer and all that goes into raising our crops and feeding our livestock is so significant for our farmers and ranchers. This looks like this is another attack upon them, but what do you think?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I know that Jim had called in last week with that very topic, and so I’ve been working on that. In fact, my rollout radio program on Friday is going to be with Robert Farnham from Brush, Colorado, who has been on the tax commission for the past four years, and he just got off. He’s just off the tax commission, actually appointed by Governor Polis to do that. And we talked about this and what Jim brought up, and Robert said that’s a direct violation of state statute. No county can do that. If they do that, if they’re doing that, they are rogue and need to be reined in. And he said the bigger problem, and this is equal to what we’re talking about here, is that you have large tracts of land. And apparently at Walden, a 55,000-acre tract sold to somebody that lives in New York recently, they removed all livestock from it. and they’re going to have it simply as a wildlife refuge. And so then the question comes, are they still getting a tax exemption for agricultural land if it’s a wildlife refuge? Because that affects the local land base, that affects the tax base of the county, and that’s a direct violation. And so what has happened, according to Robert, and again, we’re going to go into greater detail about this Friday, But what has happened is that the state and the county is supposed to be sending out verification that you still have livestock on property that you have purchased in order that you may be exempt with the agricultural exemption that takes place. According to Robert, there is nothing that says anybody should be targeted as a commercial property if you have livestock on that property.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, so I guess this is going to be a stay tuned. We’re going to need to do more research to understand what might be going on here.
SPEAKER 07 :
I do understand what’s going on in one respect, Kim, and it’s not part of this, but it’s a follow-up to this. In every state, every state that I’m in, and every county assessor that I talk to, they are told they have fewer and fewer decisions, and they are being told what to do. In fact, I talked to somebody this week, York, it was in York County, a 24% increase in valuations. We continue to have whoever this central assessing is sending out, take the assessments to a sky-high level, and if you drive the assessment, I don’t care what your ag exemptions are at some point, When you have all these evaluations that continue to just go up by 7%, by 12%, by 15%, at some point in time, you break the ability of the people to pay the tax to own that. You’re paying a rent on property you already own. The rent happens to be to the government. You don’t own it if you have to pay $1,000 a month to rent it. This has got to be fixed.
SPEAKER 10 :
It does have to be fixed. And owning your property, whether or not it’s tangible or intangible property, is one of the founding principles of the American idea. And this was radical, that everyday people… would be able to own their own property. And what would happen? Well, America happened, where we had this big, amazing middle class, this American dream, the place that people, well, used to want to come for their American dream until we had all this illegal immigration. But, um, maybe some of those people were coming for the American dream, but a lot of them were coming for free stuff. And some of them, I think were coming to hurt us. And some of them, uh, and then of course, I, I think there was obviously a real strategy with that regarding elections as well, but we, um, we’ll use that for for a different day but um and and what happens what what’s the word uh i’m setting you up here trent what is the word when uh the fruits of someone’s labor uh the things that they work for is taken by someone else that when somebody is starting to have to work for someone else really under force because their their property is taken by force what’s the word for that
SPEAKER 07 :
Capitalism?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, slavery.
SPEAKER 07 :
If you’re going to tell me you’re going to set me up, I’m not walking into a trap. I’m just going to run the other way and pretend I don’t know what you’re doing.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s servitude. It is servitude. And so with our young people, many of them, one of the things they have been taught in school is that capitalism is just greedy people trying to take advantage of others. Capitalism is actually the free exchange of value for value. Cronyism is when government and big business get in bed with each other and then they use the law to their advantage. But so many of these kids have been taught that capitalist private enterprise is greedy. But I bring up the point now, again, here in Colorado, we have what’s called Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights. It was passed by the people in the Constitution, 1992, that says, hey, PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, if you want to raise our taxes, you have to get our permission. If you want to keep excess revenue above a very generous formula of population growth plus inflation, you just have to ask us. If you’re going to incur debt that we’re going to have to pay off, you just have to ask us. But I think one of the greediest things is what the Democrats are proposing right now, and that is a lawsuit to try to ask that Tabor, Colorado’s taxpayer bill of rights, be unconstitutional. So I think the greediest thing is they want it all, Trent Luce. And I think that we need to make sure people understand that.
SPEAKER 07 :
As you know, I addressed the Tabor issue as well, because this is a direct violation of an agreement between government entity and the state of Colorado, the taxpayers who own the government. And yet the government is just basically flipping off the taxpayers saying, we don’t care what you said or did or what our agreement might have been. We’re going to do what we want. That needs to be accountable.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. And then one other thing, Jenny mentioned this, and again, open space. I used to love that idea, but I realize now that open space is taking land and it’s not paying taxes on that. And maybe we’ll talk about that next week because we’ve got a cool segment coming up here, Trent. with a couple of horse enthusiasts that are concerned about something that’s going on up in Boulder County. So let’s go to break, and when we come back, we will continue the discussion with Trent Luce, and we’ll also find out what’s going on in Boulder County. These discussions happen because of Bozen Law. If you’ve been injured, be sure to reach out to them.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And it’s a great day to be.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is a great day to be alive and a very important subject that we have for this particular segment. We’re going to talk with Cindy Johnson and Carson Sander Farrakhan about something happening up in Boulder County. But they have a song that really explains it. So I thought, let’s play it. So go ahead and hit it, Joe.
SPEAKER 15 :
Out in Boulder County Where the foothills rise There’s a place where dreams ran wild Beneath the open skies But now the arena’s empty And the gates are closed The sound of hoofbeats silenced Where the cool wind There was hay dust in the sunlight, kids learning to ride, neighbors sharing stories by the old rail side. Now the echoes linger where we laugh and play. The commissioner’s ruling took it all away. No place to roam. Where the saddle felt like freedom. Now I’m far from home. They’ve taken what was ours. Left a hollow field. And we’re all left wondering how to mend. I can still hear the wind, the strong, steady steps Of horses that taught us life’s most sincere depths But now the barn grows quiet, just a shell of before No reins to hold, no trails to explore The folks in the county, they tried to speak their minds. But words can’t always fight the ticking hand of time. They said the cost too heavy, the space too small. But the value of tradition doesn’t show at all. No place to roam Where the saddle felt like freedom Now I’m far from home They’ve taken what was ours Left a hollow field And we’re all left wondering
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, that pretty well sets this up for what is going on up here. Pleased to have on the show Cindy Johnson. She’s a longtime horse enthusiast, backyard horse owner. She’s been with people of all ages, especially kids for decades, with their overall horsemanship skills. Cindy, welcome to the show. Hi. Hi. Good to have you. And also on the other line is Carson Sander Farrakane, and he’s a horse trainer and farrier based out of Boulder, and he provides quality service for his clients and adequately supports the needs of their equine counterparts however he best can see fit. Carson, welcome.
SPEAKER 20 :
Good morning. Thanks for having us on.
SPEAKER 10 :
Good to have you. So, Cindy, this pretty well set this up, and you’re really concerned about it. So tell us a little bit more. And there’s going to be a meeting tomorrow, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes. There’ll be a meeting tomorrow on Thursday at 9 a.m. at the Boulder County Courthouse, 1325 Pearl Street, to address our concerns to the commissioners. But we’re here to talk today about the kids and adults losing access to the one and only public indoor riding arena in Boulder County during the winter months. that has been historically used for over 30 years. And I might add that has been generously provided by our taxpayers. But currently it sits vacant three days a week in the winter time. And perhaps they have a valid reason, but they will not share it with us. We would like to request an audience with them to keep the vacancy rate to a minimum while offsetting taxpayer funded management costs to prepare the arena.
SPEAKER 10 :
So, Carson, how did you, you know, why are you involved in this issue? Why do you think this is important?
SPEAKER 20 :
So, I, like Cindy, I was a patron of the indoor arena on Wednesdays for their open ride. I’d also grown up using the arena. You know, the agricultural education component is a big thing for me. And growing up, you know, being a part of organizations that worked out of the fairgrounds, I had spent a lot of my summers taking horses. I had trained there. And then once I had graduated from those organizations, taking horses that were part of my own business there while I didn’t have access to safe footing in the winter months. So, yeah, I’m just trying to help everybody gain historic use back of the arena there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. And so, Cindy, this is sitting vacant. They just made this decision that, oh, no, there’s no more riding, huh?
SPEAKER 11 :
Correct. We just want to stress the importance of maintaining access to the indoor riding arena between the months of November and April. This availability is critical for the welfare of both horses and riders during Colorado’s winter season. For example, consistent training, exercise, and safe conditions are essential for our equine health And rider safety and the continuity of educational youth programs, like Carson said, loss of access during these months can jeopardize our animals’ well-being, and they can disrupt longstanding programs vital to the community. So without adequate indoor access during winter months, our horses are at risk.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, it seems like that there are those. Sometimes I think about Boulder County. I was going to make an editorial comment. I’m not going to do that. So, Cindy, just kind of your final thought. Carson, your final thought on what you want to have people do, and then we’ll have Trent Luce weigh in on this.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. We’re just suggesting providing equitable outcomes for all Boulder County residents, including the fairground staff, workers, to develop constructive options that might help with profitability and usage. And I want one more point. Given all the people who have shown up to the seven meetings in the past nine months to visit about this in opposition to the closure of the indoor arena, naturally they deserve as constituents to be heard and respected. And we want to create an outcome that makes economic sense, one that provides value to everyone, a win-win. And right now we are just not feeling welcome at our beloved indoor arena where we love to gather, ride, laugh, and play. So we just want to talk to them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I think win-win is always a good goal. Carson, and thank you, Cindy Johnson, for bringing this attention. And I love the song as well. And Carson, your final thought.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, so kind of like what Cindy was saying, if this really does come down to a budgetary concern, how can we lower operational costs of the arena? How can we move to, say, more volunteer-based scenario on how to run the operations of the arena? I know even our local ag ed chapter through the school district, you come out of high school usually with a 10-hour OSHA certification program, If that means that, you know, we could have younger kids operating machinery, say that we’re, like I said, of legal age but also certified, I think that’s a way for people to gain service hours. It seems like, again, that win-win we were kind of talking about. So I feel like maybe there are other ways than spending so much on an arena. That really is the concern with the county employees. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Okay. Well, Cindy and Carson, keep us in the loop on that. Cindy Johnson, thank you. And Carson Sander-Faircane, thank you. Let’s stay on this. Really do appreciate it. And I, of course, love the idea of getting creative and giving these kids opportunities on ways to work. Trent Luce, we’ve got about a minute left. Your thoughts on this issue? Hopefully we’re going to get over to that. I know that Joe is trying to juggle several different phone lines. Okay, there we go. Your final thought on this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, they shared the most key part of that whole story. By the way, I love the song. But it’s a taxpayer-funded arena that the taxpayers are not able to use now. Somebody’s got to explain this, and it needs to be a lot of people show up to say, We demand accountability. Most importantly, we want our kids to be able to access Serena. This is what it’s about.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. And there is a meeting tomorrow, May 1st, 9 a.m. at the Boulder County Courthouse, 1325 Pearl Street. And also you can let your voices be heard by going to commissioners at bouldercounty.gov. So Trent Luce, always interesting. We’ll do this again next week.
SPEAKER 07 :
I hope so. We’ll have something fun again next week.
SPEAKER 10 :
I like the song as well. Very well done. And our quote for the end of the show is James Madison. He said, Our Constitution represents the work of the finger of Almighty God. So, my friends, today be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
SPEAKER 14 :
Through the rain and lightning Wandering out into this great unknown And I don’t want no one to cry But tell them if I don’t survive
SPEAKER 21 :
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