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In a candid exploration of Colorado’s current political climate, The Kim Munson Show tackles the complex intersection of policy, governance, and individual rights. By delving into the recent legislative maneuvers and legal battles within the state, Kim underscores the vital role elections play in shaping our future. With contributions from prominent voices such as former State Senator Kevin Lundberg, the show offers both a critique and a call to action for citizens committed to preserving freedom and transparency in governance.
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Indeed. Let’s have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s my team of Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim, and welcome back. And did you miss me? Well, of course. That was the right answer. Thank you to Brad Beck, who hosted the show on Friday, and thank you to Alan Thomas, who hosted the show on Monday. I was out of town, and it’s great to be back. So much is going on. I walked in and I said to Joe, it is official. Colorado is crazyville. It is moving towards communism here. And if we don’t think that elections matter, that is where the battle is, my friends, is these elections. And that’s why the work that we have done with the Colorado 2024 Election Project, getting those two lawsuits into place, and then with what Trump is going to be doing regarding elections, this is all so important. And then many of you have reached out and committed to what we’re doing with Holly Kaysen to help her raise money for their lawsuit. And text me at 720-605-0647. You all are so generous. And I will be getting back with all of you on Thursday. I did the show. And then I had to rush to get out of town. And then I did something crazy, my friends. I left without my computer. And I think it was maybe God’s way of making me take a little bit of time off. And so I was basically trying to do things on my phone. And again, thank you to Joe and to Brad and Alan and all the guests for making everything happen. So many of you texted me at 720-605-0647 with your commitments for this lawsuit with Holly Kaysen. And what this is, is Holly Kaysen was one of the early founders, I think, of USEIP, the U.S. Election Integrity Plan. And Sean Smith became involved with it, as well as Ashley Epp. And they just very quietly under the radar went, had volunteers that canvassed some key areas to determine if there was irregularities, we’ll say, within the elections here in Colorado. And they found out some really important information. They were going to release their report, which they did. But the day before they were to release their report, The Mi Familia, let’s see, the League of Women Voters and the NAACP sued them. And this was from the Colorado area and in the West area. And so they sued them saying voter intimidation, a variety of things. And ended up that it was found in the judge found in Holly and Ash and Sean’s favor that this lawsuit shouldn’t go through. So anyway, half a million dollars of legal fees, though, to make this happen. And they continued to have advice to settle, but they didn’t settle. They thought it was too important. So they win the case, and then they think they’ve won legal fees. Well, there is a law, a Supreme Court, gosh, now I need to get all these details. I’m going to get them from Holly. I think it was, it’s Christianburg, and it’s either a Supreme Court. Decision, I’ll get all that for you, which basically said that even if an NGO sues someone and the NGOs, the non-governmental organizations, lose, they don’t have to pay legal fees. And this was very little known to everyone out there. So with that, Holly, Ash, and Sean and their attorneys want to appeal this. The price tag is $60,000 for the appeal. And this could go all the way to the Supreme Court to strike down this Christianberg decision. And so it’s really, really important. And so they’ve got a give, send, go, which I can get you the details on that. Or if you want to pay by check, I can get you the details on that as well. So text me at 720-605-0647 so that we can get this money raised so that we can continue on with this. This is really, really important. So, again, this is these lawsuits are these three lawsuits that we have are very targeted. And these elections are are important with what we see down at the Colorado Statehouse. They’re acting like they think they’ll never lose another election. And it’s because they think they’ll never lose in another election because of all the crazy stuff that’s going on here in Colorado. So this show comes to you because of sponsors and because of all of you. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And it’s not compassionate to take other people’s stuff. and take other people’s stuff, in other words, we steal. So to steal their stuff, their rights, their property, their freedom, livelihood, opportunities, our children’s childhoods are being stolen right here in Colorado, or lives. And the force can obviously be a weapon, but it’s policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the agenda by the World Economic Forum, the globalist elites, the United Nations, This legislature, this governor, land use code, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, the list has gone on and on, and we need to reduce that list. And so that’s why we speak truth and clarity into all that is going on here. I wanted to say thank you to Hooters Restaurants for their sponsorship of the show. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs, and great specials for lunch and for happy hour. So be sure and check all that out. Our word of the day, I chose the word tenacious. And I would say that both of the teams playing last night in the NCAA finals were very tenacious. And it certainly is a great word. And we have to be tenacious in getting these elections cleaned up in America and Colorado. And the definition is it’s extremely persistent in or adhering to or doing something stubborn or relentless. Number two, characterized by extreme persistence, relentless or enduring persistence. And number three, holding together firmly or cohesive. It’s spelled T-E-N-A-C-I-O-U-S. The word is tenacious. You should be able to use that in a sentence today. That is your challenge. And our quote for the beginning of the show is from John Wooden. And I chose a basketball coach because it was the NCAA finals last night. And John Robert Wooden was born in 1910. He died in 2010, almost 100 years old. He was an American basketball coach and player nicknamed the Wizard of Westwood because he won 10 National Collegiate Athletic Association National Championships in a 12-year period as head coach for the UCLA Bruins, including a record seven in a row. No other team has won more than four in a row in Division I college men’s or women’s basketball. And he said this. He said, if you do enough small things right, big things can happen. So every day, strive for excellence, do your best, and the sky is the limit on what is going to happen out there. Let’s see. Well, I think many of you were watching this and I’ve got to say thank you to my fellow Cutboard members. They really picked up the slack while I did not have my computer. In particular, Mary Jansen, Cori Onasorg. I want to say thank you to you. But this team is amazing. Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozorg. Oh, Dave Evans, also great weighing in yesterday on the resolution that was proposed in the House to get rid of TABOR, our Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights, which That was put in place to protect us and these folks. And it’s people on both sides of the aisle. And Paula Beard and Ray Beard, all these people. Be sure and say thank you to them when you see them out there at these different meetings and at the grocery store. Check out the website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You’ll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we are really working on getting your brain around these issues. The show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. on all klz 560 platforms that’s klz 560 am klz 100.7 fm the klz website and the klz app and you can listen to it via alexa and you can listen to it via your computer as as well as i mentioned the website i’ve had some of you reach out and say that sometimes you can’t get it on your am radio that’s okay check out the website the app or alexa And so first and foremost, three things. And this is from, let’s see, commentary from, I’ve got to get the, well, Rocky Mountain Voice. It says, and this is by Colleen Enos. She said, while continuing to grapple with Colorado’s $1.2 billion shortfall, The state will be losing $250 million in pandemic-related federal funding for health care from the American Rescue Plan Act. The federal government is implementing the President’s Department of Government Efficiency Cost Efficiency Initiative, and Coloradans may believe that our Democrat-led state legislature will surely cut back on bills with fiscal impact, but that would be an incorrect assumption. They just tweaked the fiscal note. And my understanding is… that on the resolution to get rid of TABOR that there is no fiscal note at this particular point in time. So Senate Bill 25-183, coverage for pregnancy-related services. Basically, this should be renamed taxpayer-funded abortion coverage. These people are just focused on abortion. Let’s see. House Bill 003, which is the semi-atomic firearms, rapid-fire devices, that’s the magazine bill. That is on the governor’s desk. He needs to veto that. And then, of course, this 1312, which is taking away parental rights rights. on our children and making it discriminatory to say anything if you have a different opinion on transgenderism. And quite frankly, these whole discriminatory bills out there, it’s a freedom of speech issue. And even if somebody wants to say something discriminatory Bad taste, bad idea. They probably need to check their premises on that. But they should have the right to do that because they’re hiding under these discriminatory laws to shut down our speech. And so we need to make sure that we protect speech, even a speech that you may not like it. And so that’s why we do the show is to shed light on this. And thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It’s reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy sources from coal, natural gas, and oil that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. Also, the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team wants to make sure that you feel safe and well-served. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it is Tuesday, so pleased to have on the line with me Kevin Lundberg. He is the author of the Lundberg Report, which you can find at KevinLundberg.com. He is a former state senator here in Colorado and really has his finger on the pulse on what’s happening down at the statehouse. Kevin Lundberg, welcome to the show.
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Well, Kim, thank you. It’s glad to be with you always.
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Well, and I took a couple of days off. I was out on Friday and yesterday and was watching from afar. It is official, I think. Colorado is now crazyville as we’re watching what’s happening down at the statehouse.
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Yeah, more than crazy. It’s absolutely absurd and Maybe we’ll get into that a little bit. The session they held on Sunday I thought was completely out of line with how they conducted the legislative process. Yeah, the bills are radical, and that’s the real effect of the legislature, but the process has been just completely corrupted. And… I’m really beside myself on trying to describe how disgusted I am with what they did on Sunday.
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Well, so what happened exactly?
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Well, let’s start with they called a session for 9 o’clock in the morning on a Sunday morning. I have never, ever seen the legislature do that. I’ve seen them in special sessions, maybe have a Sunday afternoon session, or once in COVID they did a committee meeting on a Sunday afternoon. But anyway, that’s the first step. And by the way, one of the representatives couldn’t attend because he’s a pastor, and he has a pulpit to fill on Sunday morning, and I understand he did. So that’s the first part. The second part is why they did it, and that is because they are ramming through some transgender bills that I think are complete violations of the First Amendment’s freedom of speech because it requires everyone to play the pronoun game if they’re in a place of public accommodation, which is deeply troubling to me, and it also threatens the custody of children if the parent doesn’t go along with all the gender nonsense. And then there were a couple of other bills they considered that were abortion bills. So that’s all they had on the table were abortion bills. And transgender, and they put it on a Sunday morning. I think it was obvious that this is pure evil. I don’t know how else to put it. But now, what did they do when they did that? This was for a third reading of these bills, which they could have conducted on Monday, frankly, and it would have put them back one day in their process. But they didn’t allow any debate. on any of the bills. They invoked a rule called Rule 16, which allows them to call the question on third-routing debate, which then there’s an immediate vote on, shall we vote on this immediately, with no debate. And that’s what they did. They stripped any discussion. And I want to tell you, having spent many years down in the legislature, if it’s a super bad bill that you ARE GOING TO OPPOSE, YOU RESERVE MUCH OF YOUR COMMENTS FOR THE FORMAL VOTE, WHICH IS THIRD READING, AND EACH LEGISLATOR IS AFFORDED BY RULE 10 MINUTES TO GET UP IN THE HOUSE AND DESCRIBE WHAT THEIR CONCERNS OR THEIR ENCOURAGEMENTS ARE FOR THE BILL. BUT THEY CUT IT ALL OFF. AND THIS WAS JUST AN EXERCISE IN ARROGANCE. on the part of the leadership. And why they did it that way, I really don’t know. Except maybe it’s this. Maybe they don’t want to hear the truth. Because when it comes to these bills, the truth is just the polar opposite of what they’re doing. And that’s my opinion. I recognize. And that, if I were a representative down there, I should have been afforded my opinion to be stated publicly for the record so that it, because that’s what the process is. It’s bringing every diverse perspective from the state through our representatives. It’s called a Republican form of government. That’s what it’s all about. And here’s the irony of ironies. is at the same time this body is calling for a challenge to the taxpayers’ bill of rights because they claim it isn’t a Republican form of government because the people also reserve the right to make laws. Now, that’s another subject which we probably ought to get into as well, but isn’t it curious that they refuse the representatives from even contributing to the debate and discussion on these very serious bills that they presented. I mean, I could go on and on. I’m a bit beside myself on how frustrated I am with the corrupt system in the Colorado legislature.
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Well, and elections matter. And we really have a lot of work to do to make sure that we get our elections to a point here in Colorado that they are honest and transparent. We’ve got irregularities in a number of different arenas, and we are working on that, Kevin Lundberg. We also need to make sure that we have candidates that understand the The proper role of government. And when talking about this, this is interesting. You mentioned this hiding behind this Republican form of government that they said that that’s one of the reasons that they’re bringing this lawsuit against Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights. Ultimately, what they want is to not have to ask the people about raising our taxes, incurring debt, or keeping excess revenue that they have collected. Yes. But the other thing is, so here, this is a direct affront upon, and air quotes, Republican form of government. But also, I was thinking about it, the positive that might come out of this whole lawsuit is shedding light on all of these bureaucracies and commissions. Because I don’t think, and boards, I don’t think that those are part of a Republican form of government. What do you think about that?
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You bring up an excellent point. And actually, yeah, a lot of people are very concerned that the legislature is wanting to sue over this point. And maybe we should back up a little bit and explain, just so everybody’s on the same page, that in Article 4 of the United States Constitution, it guarantees that every state shall have a small r Republican form of government, meaning a representative government, meaning that we elect our policymakers and and so you’re quite right the way they have distributed the power now uh to to unelected officials uh is is in fact a violation of a republican form of government uh uh you know this this whole argument of taking this to the courts um was um was a pretty hot topic several years ago when i was in the legislature because a couple of uh or a few members of uh and they were they were on the other side of the aisle they were some democrats tried to sue over this issue but not as an official action of the legislature they couldn’t because we held the majority in the senate we meaning the republicans and we were going to go there so they persisted and did this anyway and and and it was thrown out because they said we don’t have standing okay now we’ve got a lawsuit where there is standing because the legislature the elected officials are saying hey tabor doesn’t allow us to do our job well I think, as I say, I think you bring up a wonderful point that, in fact, this legislature has, as just about every legislature in the entire country and Congress to a large degree, have… given away their authority to all these bureaucrats who now make these rules that just drive our lives so many ways, in so many ways downward. But yeah, we didn’t elect them. The legislature gave away that right a long time ago. And let’s go back to the actual lawsuit that which is challenging the authority of the Taxpayer’s Bill of Rights. But that flies in the face of the Colorado Constitution, wherein Article 5 that establishes the legislature, it states very clearly, but we the people reserve the right to make laws independent of the legislature. So that was established in our Colorado Constitution from the beginning, and it was never questioned before. as a challenge to a Republican form of government because it simply states the clear and obvious fact that the people who send those representatives have reserved this authority to make the laws directly when they see it appropriate. And that’s through the initiative process.
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Okay, Kevin Lumberg, we’re going to continue this discussion regarding this lawsuit against Tabor, Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights. And it’s important that people understand that what this lawsuit is, is it would say, hey, people of Colorado, the legislature, the Colorado government wants to, A, be able to raise your taxes without your permission. wants to incur debt that you have to pay off without your permission, and they want to keep all the excess revenue that they collect from you, from you, the hardworking Coloradan, the people of Colorado. That’s the bottom line, wouldn’t you say, Kevin?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, and it also brings up the question of what about all the other initiatives that have changed the Colorado Constitution and the laws in the state of Colorado specifically? You know, I mean, it’s an absurd, pathetic attempt to go against the people of Colorado, really. But, yeah, maybe there is a silver lining if we can get some of these other issues on the table and get the bureaucracy out of the way. Be aware also that at the federal level, the Supreme Court decided that all of the bureaucratic authority that is – or not all, but much of the bureaucratic authority that has been deferred to – non-elected officials making law. It’s called the Chevron decision. 40 years ago, that was established that bureaucracies can take a great deal of latitude in deciding how the laws are implemented. But the court threw it out and said, if Congress doesn’t specifically authorize it, then it can’t happen.
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Oh, Kevin, I’ve got several things. This could be actually very exciting. So let’s see if there might be some lemonade in this lemon here. We’re going to continue the discussion with Kevin Lundberg. And Colorado, my friends, we are at the tip of the spear, which is scary and it’s exciting. And that’s why we have to get our brains around these issues. It happens because of our sponsors. And for everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. And on the 16th of April, which is right around the corner, I’m going to be down at the Center for American Values emceeing a great event on one of their On Values presentations. It will be Norma Donlon presenting. And she is the widow of Roger Donlon, who was the Medal of Honor recipient. I think the first medal that was awarded to a Vietnam, somebody that fought in the Vietnam War. And we’d love to have you join us. It doesn’t cost anything, but you do need to RSVP, and that’s down in Pueblo on the 16th. And more information, go to AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. Okay, Kevin Lundberg, you have my wheels really turning right now on this potential opportunity. lawsuit on uh tabor to get rid of tabor by um this resolution down at the state house now first of all a resolution why did they do this as a resolution a house resolution instead of a a piece of legislation well that’s because uh it’s uh
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It’s not creating law. It’s creating a directive. And I believe I haven’t studied this specific one that carefully. So I believe, though, that that it’s directing the attorney general to engage in this lawsuit. I think I know I could be wrong on that because actually it might be suing the state of Colorado. because it’s going after part of the Colorado Constitution, and the attorney general might be obligated to defend the state. So maybe the legislature is hiring their own attorneys, but it’s basically to file a lawsuit, and it would be in federal court, because there’s no way in state court that the… THE COLORADO STATE SUPREME COURT COULD ACTUALLY OVERTURN THE COLORADO CONSTITUTION BECAUSE THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO DEFEND THE COLORADO CONSTITUTION EVEN AS ALL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE, BY THE WAY. YEAH, INTERESTING. THIS ONE JUST FILLED WITH SO MUCH ABSURDITY AGAIN. BUT, HEY, HERE’S THEIR BOTTOM LINE, AND THAT IS THEY WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY. and they don’t want to be restricted by anything the people of Colorado put in front of them as an obstacle to that. Anyway, it’s not a bill because it doesn’t put a statute in place, and that’s what a bill does. It’s a directive. There are other things. Sometimes if the legislature has a question to pose to the Colorado Supreme Court, it’s called an interrogatory. And that’s done through a resolution. And I believe it started in the House, so it’s an HJR, House Joint Resolution, meaning it also goes to the Senate, and they decide, and then it goes on to wherever it’s intended to go.
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Okay. So first thing, as you were mentioning this, there are those on the left that have said that capitalism is just a whole bunch of greedy people wanting to keep, or I guess they use the word greed. I’ll just put it that way. What could be more greedy than government that wants to raise your taxes, incur debt, and keep all of the excess revenue, that they’ve collected. What could be more greedy than that, I ask you? And they can do it via force. That’s one of the things about capitalism is it is, true capitalism is free exchange between two different parties. Now, cronyism is where business and government get in bed with each other and they use that power and force to push their agenda. But what could be more greedy than to use force to levy taxes, incur debt, And keep excess revenue. I think that is the epitome of greed.
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Yeah, well, and it’s, you know, choosing somebody else’s money for their own purposes, of course. And, you know, remember that the legislature has been operating under the Taxpayer’s Bill of Rights. I think they’ve been carving away at it in other ways, too. But over 30 years ago, it was established that So it’s not like this brand-new idea popped up and they said, hey, we can’t manage this. No, it’s because they’ve spent too much money. And that’s on top of the fact that the legislature has set up alternatives to Tabor. Tabor doesn’t shut down government. Tabor puts – it was designed to put specific limits on the growth of government. It doesn’t say you can spend less. It says – No, you can’t grow any faster in the general fund than inflation plus population growth, which should seem like reasonable limitations. Yes, it does put a bit of a clamp on government because it doesn’t take into account the fact that the economy can grow beyond inflation. through productivity beyond what the population and the inflation is. But it says government shouldn’t become more – shouldn’t be allowed to expand in a greater fashion than these two reasonable limits. Now, they’ve gone around it with all of their fees and all their enterprises, which don’t require that because – because fees are supposed to be a very special category. So, you know, I think if they should be challenged in any way, they should be challenged on the fact that their fees are really taxes and that they’ve grown too fast. And, of course, then they had that timeout that was created back when Bill Owens was governor, actually, and I fought that greatly. But they allowed this cap… that’s created by the limitation from population and inflation. They allowed that cap to just float up for five years and then reset it. And that actually made it grow faster because of that resetting in a whole lot of ways. So they have violated Tabor the opposite direction all the time. And now they claim they can’t live within the constraints of what the people have said you need to do.
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And to your point, it’s been Republicans and Democrats. So that was under the Bill Owens administration. That’s important to understand. Okay, I’ve got, I think this is going to be out there, Kevin Lundberg. Well, go ahead.
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Let me clarify one thing, though. When they said it was a bipartisan effort, that’s because the governor got behind it. And at that time, my state senator got behind it, Steve Johnson. It was barely bipartisan, and that was a distraction because the vast majority of Republicans were still opposed to it. But, yeah, go ahead.
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Well, and to that point, as I watch this legislation right now down at the statehouse, I see Republicans putting their name on things that they have no business putting their names on. And it’s like, keep your names off of these pieces of bad legislation and don’t sponsor these pieces of bad legislation, which are not the proper role of government. But that’s a… That’s a different subject. OK, I find this really interesting. OK, they’re going to sue. They want to sue to get rid of Tabor because they say, my understanding is the guys is that it’s not a Republican form of government. Now, one of the things that we’ve been talking about where we’re frustrated that it looked like initially that Colorado would be using Tabor. the people’s money to sue the people so the government could keep more of the people’s money. Apparently that is something that is resonating out there and so now I’ve heard rumblings that they may, the legislators that want to sue the people of Colorado, that they may have some private entities come up to fund the lawsuit. That’s going to be interesting to watch. But you brought up something. If if they were successful in saying that Tabor was not a Republican form of government, then does that mean, as you alluded to, does that mean that all the stuff that was passed via the initiative process doesn’t hold up? So that would mean that the open primary might go away, right? Or what about all of these people that are legislators that have been appointed? Well, that’s not a Republican form of government as well. This could open up all kinds of things here in Colorado.
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Well, it could, but it really points out the absurdity of the claim in the first place. And I think we ought to discuss these and note that if you think people can’t do this, then people shouldn’t have done that. It wouldn’t automatically take all those things away, but it would weaken the case against them staying, for sure. But, you know, I want to get back to reality because I think we’re talking about speculation on things of what would happen if this were really so. Right, okay. It isn’t so. Tabor was a… a duly initiated change to the Colorado Constitution that does not violate Article 4 in the U.S. Constitution. Again, if anybody wants a little bit of a lesson on this, go back and read the Colorado Constitution’s Establishment of the Legislature, Article 5, Just read the first few paragraphs, and it becomes crystal clear that Tabor is a legitimate, or let’s say the initiative process, therefore Tabor, is a well-established principle of the governance that is placed within the state of Colorado for its government, you know, And they’re so clear. They spent a long time describing anything but the Senate and the House because they first wanted to establish that we, the people, still reserve this right to initiate laws and to challenge laws through the initiative process. So, you know, it just doesn’t make sense at all. It would be a bat crazy judge. And, of course, we’ve seen a few of those make some rulings on what Trump can and can’t do. But ultimately, I have confidence that the current United States Supreme Court would look at this and say, go get a life, you know, to the Colorado legislature. Stop bothering us with such stupid speculations that make no sense whatsoever. And so that’s where I would really place this lawsuit attempt at. And I think, again, the current leadership, in the legislature, run by the Democrats, have lost all sense of reality. And this is just one more example of that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and we’re going to continue the discussion with Kevin Lundberg. This did come in on the text line. Thank you. It says, if our Colorado elected officials are obligated to defend the Colorado Constitution, we need to remember to use the word representatives. That’s such a challenge. So let’s start over. If our Colorado elected representatives are obligated to defend the Colorado Constitution, aren’t they tenaciously—well done on the word of the day— abdicating their lawful duty, therefore disqualifying themselves. We’ll leave that hanging out there. These are important discussions. And we’ll talk with John Bozen in the next hour. But if you’ve been injured, reach out to Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That’s KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation. Their website is USMCMemorialFoundation.org. Be sure and buy a brick. to honor your loved one’s military service, and that will be on one of their pathways of service, and you’ll get a beautiful certificate, great for Mother’s Day or Father’s Day. And then also May 15th, they’re having their second annual golf tournament out at the Ridge in Castle Pines North. So go ahead and get signed up now so that you’re assured of a spot, and that is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Talking with former State Senator Kevin Lundberg, he’s the author of the Lundberg Report. We’d recommend that you check out that every weekend. I think he writes that on Saturdays. Kevin Lundberg, we’re talking about the potential lawsuit regarding Tabor, Colorado’s taxpayers’ bill of rights. It was passed via the initiative process here in Colorado. The initiative process, it’s an important process, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. It is the safety valve that the people possess if their legislature is not doing the right things. And we opened the program today, at least my section of your program here, talking about what the legislature did on Sunday morning. Well, Sunday afternoon… at a conference called the Rocky Mountains Summit, which looks into the whole transgender grooming and medicalization of minors. It was announced that Protect Kids Colorado has three new initiatives that we are launching for this year, and we actually filed them with the with the, what is it, you file it with the legislature initially yesterday.
SPEAKER 12 :
The title board, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, yes, through the title board, you’re right. But first process is you go to the ledge council people and they talk to you about it and then you’re scheduled to meet with the title board, et cetera. But yeah, right. We initiated those steps to TO CARRY PETITIONS CONCERNING THE TRANSGENDER ISSUE. WE’RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE BECAUSE THE INITIATIVE PROCESS IS ALIVE AND WELL AND IT’S FUNCTIONING VERY WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION THAT TO CHALLENGE TABOR ON THE BASIS OF THE LEGISLATURE DIDN’T COME UP WITH IT IS JUST PATENTLY ABSURD. And I’m really excited about these initiatives because I think we have a great prospect for being very successful this year. We kind of learned the ropes last year, you might say, on a couple of issues. But these are, just to tell you, we rolled them out, unveiled them on Sunday afternoon at that conference. One is going after the preventing men and women’s sports again. And then one is a little bit different, but a very deep problem that we have, and that is the sexual exploitation of minors through human trafficking. And so this is an issue that really resonates with the people of Colorado, too. And then finally, it’s the medicalization… the surgeries that are conducted on kids to supposedly change their gender, but it’s just a mutilation. It’s a child abuse in hospitals, frankly, and that’s got to stop.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and will that also include the pharmaceutical component? So there’s both the surgery and the pharmaceutical component. So will both those be in that?
SPEAKER 17 :
Actually, no. And this is the reason why, is we were very, very careful in – YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, DOING SOME POLLING AND DETERMINING WHAT REALLY WORKS WELL. WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT INITIALLY WHAT WE NEED ARE ISSUES THAT RESONATE VERY CLEARLY WITH THE PEOPLE OF COLORADO. AND THE REAL POINT THAT MOST PEOPLE AGREE ON AUTOMATICALLY IS THESE SURGERIES HAVE TO STOP. blockers, yes, are bad also and do a great deal of damage, much more than they want to let you know about. But nonetheless, we’re taking the first bite at the apple on this one, on the area where we know we can make the most traction. Because the last thing you want to do is put everything in we want. Because here’s one reality with initiatives. It comes up to a straight-up yes or no vote on the ballot. And it’s really easy to convince somebody to vote no if they have any concerns anywhere as opposed to vote yes because, yeah, it’s a better idea than not doing it. And so, you know, that’s the logic on this. You can’t change everything overnight all at once. And so we’re going for the most probable outcome. and hopefully big wins, which will also really change the cultural discussion. And the other thing that I’m intrigued with is with all of the ridiculous nonsense that the legislature and probably the governor is going to sign these things, so that both of them are doing right to the exact opposite. I think this is going to change the political discussion for the overall election in Colorado in 2026. And understand, you can run an initiative in either year for the petition process, but the vote doesn’t happen until the general election in 2026. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
And can people go to protectkidscolorado.org to get these petitions yet, or what does that look like?
SPEAKER 17 :
No, we filed for the title board process, which will take us a couple of months to get through. And so we’re anticipating this summer that we’ll go on that. But you mentioned the website, protectkidscolorado.org. And we just… totally revamped that yesterday as well.
SPEAKER 12 :
Looks great. It looks just great.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, everything is, you know, kind of being spruced up to really hit this in a very comprehensive fashion. And I think we are on the, well, I know that we are on the cutting edge of the political discussions, especially here in the state of Colorado. You know, most states, their legislatures are dealing with this, but not in Colorado. No, in Colorado, they’re saying you cannot in a public place even use a pronoun according to somebody’s biological sex. No, you’ve got to go along with their you know, with their perceived name. I mean, that’s a bill right now, but it was passed out of the House on Sunday morning, and it’s in the Senate’s preview now, and I have every reason to believe that this Senate will pass it also, and this governor will most probably sign the thing, you know? I mean, he’s signing, you know, we’re hoping to see a veto or two out of him, but I If you can look at his past six years as the governor signing the bills, he just signs them. You know, it’s a very rare thing when he doesn’t go along with it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, Kevin Lumberg, we truly are at the tip of the spear. ProtectKidsColorado.org would be a great place to contribute there as well. And we’ll talk with you again next week. I’m wondering if they’re going to have a session on Easter morning. That would be their total affront upon the Christian faith, the fact that they had this session on Sunday and, of course, did all kinds of evil stuff. We’ve got about 40 seconds left. Your final thought.
SPEAKER 17 :
What? Well, we’ve got about a month left for the legislature, and bills are starting to fly fast. Last week, the Joint Budget Committee threw out about 75 orbital bills with their $44 billion budget. So maybe next week we can dig into that a little deeper.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, we’ll have to do that. Kevin Lundberg, thank you for all your great work. And that website is KevinLundberg.com. We’ll talk with Kevin next week. And our quote for the end of the show is from one of our CUT board members, our Colorado Union of Taxpayers board members, Mary Jansen. She said, tyrants do not know how to negotiate. They only know how to mandate. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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Good morning, Kim. I’ll have to use the word of the day here soon.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I would say that I could use it. John Bozen and Bozen Law is tenacious as they represent their clients in trying to get justice if something has happened.
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I would absolutely agree with that wholeheartedly, Kim. We are tenacious, all of the lawyers.
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And it’s really important to have you on their side of the table, your client’s side of the table. And I shared with you a few years ago, I was involved in a fender bender. And just a fender bender, I could feel that I really wasn’t focused on what I needed to do. And so training is important. So let’s talk about some of the basics if you’ve been involved in a car accident.
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Well, basics… First and foremost, if you’re involved in a car accident, it’s not your fault. You need to call the police. Sheriff, 911, you call and you have someone come out with authority that can make a determination of fault. And that is so important, Kim, because you and I have talked about this. Folks are mostly kind-hearted, and they know if the other side gets a ticket, their insurance is going to go up. But if they don’t do that, if they don’t call an authority, the police, sheriff’s department, to come out and make a determination of fault, I’ve seen it over and over again through the years that I’ve practiced. And that person that caused the fault, they may change their story. And it’s a really bad situation when they do. Sometimes I think it’s an insurance company that talks with their insured, the at-fault driver, and convinces them that maybe they weren’t at fault. I’m trying to give some benefit of doubt to the people that do this. But it’s something you don’t have to deal with. Your lawyer doesn’t have to deal with. If you simply just call the police, let them come out, the officer will make a determination of fault, cite the other driver, and then liability is not an issue. Because if liability is an issue, it makes it very difficult sometimes to get folks compensated. So… Rule number one, call a police officer. Call the police. Have someone come out and make a determination of fault. Number two, and I won’t go through all of them because you don’t have 10 minutes for me, but number two is make sure that you’re safe. Make sure that you don’t inadvertently have a much worse situation by jumping out of your car, doing something other than just looking around, gather your wits. Make sure that if you are in a place where you can get out of your vehicle, you’re not going to get hit by somebody. And I’ve seen that many times over the years, too. Wow. Get information. Document. If you’re able, and this is a big if you’re able, because a lot of folks injured in a car accident, they’re injured, they can’t get out of the car, or their wits are not about them. But if you are able and you’re in a car accident, you want to gather information. Take some pictures. Exchange information with the other driver. If any witnesses have stopped to assist, ask them to provide their name, their phone number, or give them your phone number so they can call and you’ve got that contact information later. And then the most important thing, if you’re not feeling right, if you believe, if anything is off at all, get to urgent care, get to emergency room, get checked out. The health of our listeners matters. Anyone involved in a car accident is more important than anything else. And you’ve got to listen to yourself. Again, anything feels off, get in, get checked out. There’s things that can happen in an accident where you feel a little bit off that can turn into something incredibly serious and life-threatening if you don’t get it checked out. And then we will throw in there, as soon as you are able, call my law firm at 303-999-9999. So you can talk with me. one of our other senior lawyers and get the advice to get on the right path to just your health and to have a full recovery and so that we can seek justice and get compensation for what happened that should not have happened.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that is really important. So several things, and there’s others. But number one, you want to make sure that you can document the determination of fault. Make sure that you’re safe if you’re going to get out of your car. Gather information. And then get checked out by going to urgent care or the hospital. And then, of course, call Bowes & Law at 303-999-7000. Nine, nine, nine, nine. Those are five things that can certainly help set people up for success. It’s the little things, as John Wooden said, these are little things that you can do if you’re involved in a car accident to set yourself up for success. John Bozen.
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Thank you, Kim. Have a great rest of your show.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Yvonne had texted in to regarding Protect Kids Colorado. That website is protectkidscolorado.org. They’re trying to get their volunteer list all ready so that once they get through this whole legislative council, title board, all of that, that the volunteers are ready to go out and get these signatures for these three ballot initiatives. And so go to protectkidscolorado.org and And hit the volunteer tab and sign up there. That would be just great. Susan Kochavar is on the line. She’s a great sponsor of the show. She’s an entrepreneur and owner of the 88 Drive-In Theater, the historic 88 Drive-In Theater, family-owned business. Susan Kochavar, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 16 :
How are you? Doing really well. Just looking at all the stuff going on, feeling actually encouraged by some things. And we’re also getting ready to open the theater.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that was my first question. So what does that look like? And Susan, I don’t go to very many movies. It’s just I don’t normally have time to do that. And I ended up going to the Minecraft movie this weekend. And I did have the popcorn there, but I can tell you the popcorn didn’t hold a candle there. to the popcorn at 88 Drive-In Theater.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks, Kim. Well, last summer you got taught how to make it and served some. It was a lot of fun. It was hot that day, but it was fun.
SPEAKER 12 :
It was. And, yeah, I worked the popcorn machine, and it was warm. And the Barbie movie was showing then, and then also the Sound of Freedom. So what does the opening look like for 88 Drive-In Theater? Are you excited about the movies?
SPEAKER 16 :
Very excited. We’ll be opening the first part of May. I don’t have an exact date yet or a program set yet, but the pictures for the summer look fantastic. Actually, starting in about the end of May, clear through into June. you know, the fall and winter, I think that Hollywood is finally snapping back after, you know, all the loss of production through COVID and through strikes and things like that. So I think it’s finally coming around. There’s a lot, some better product. And we actually have some new movie film producers, Amazon, has a studio called A24, and they actually have some really cute pictures coming up, a lot of good kids’ pictures. So I think it’s going to be a really busy, great season.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, and May is right around the corner. I just can’t even believe it. So we will stay tuned on that for when the 88 Drive-In Theater opens. And I have on my list of things to do to talk with you about trying to do something for John Eastman and his documentary as well. So we’ll talk about that offline and get that going. I can’t believe that we are into April like we are already. But Susan, I know you really keep your ear to the ground on so many things that are happening. And one of the things is these tariffs. And I’ve seen headlines that says it’s going to basically gut the economy. There are people that are trying to scare everyday people. We’ve seen a lot of volatility in the market. And yet I’ve seen messages from Trump to say stay the course, don’t get wobbly. What’s your thoughts on these tariffs?
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Yeah, quite a few things to say about the tariffs. And I think, first of all, to start by saying, I think Trump’s doing the right thing. Tariffs are a tool. You know, you and I are both free market girls, and we’ve always heard, oh, tariffs are terrible. You know, it’s not free market. But I think people forget that these other countries have levied huge tariffs against the United States. You know, Trump has talked for the better part of 40 years about tariffs, and they’re a tool for him to use, I think. When he looked at all these tariff issues, he sees that our manufacturing is being pulled from the United States, which pulls jobs from the country, and it destabilizes our economy. We have people working and being able to earn money. So all these companies are going to OTHER COUNTRIES SETTING UP THEIR MANUFACTURING, AND THAT LEAVES THE U.S. MARKET TO JUST BE A CONSUMER OF ALL OF THESE PRODUCTS THAT ARE THEN MANUFACTURED IN OTHER COUNTRIES, AND THEY’RE ALSO TARIFFED. SO WHEN THEY COME BACK TO THE UNITED STATES, YOU KNOW, THAT’S A COST THAT’S ADDED ON. SO HE SEES ALL THIS STUFF GOING ON, AND HE STARTS TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHY. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TAXES AND REGULATIONS. that have gone up astronomically in the United States. And I would argue that we have people in Congress and others, bureaucrats and others, who are compromised. They have set up their manufacturing companies in China and other countries, and it’s in their best interest to make it harder to run a business in the United States so that you cannot compete with their company that has been set up in China, for example. You know, the taxes and regulations are so high, it’s extremely hard to set up a manufacturing business here.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and Colorado, I just want to mention Colorado is, from an economic standpoint, we have gone down significantly on our potential for good economic results here in Colorado because of all of the taxes and fees and regulations and all the stuff happening down at the Colorado State House with this governor.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, and so what we then become is just what they like to term, oh, we’re just going to become a service economy in the United States. Well, there’s a few problems with that. You can’t, you know, the service industry, those are generally good entry-level positions, and some people make money, but it doesn’t produce enough to do more than, you know, have a car, have a place to live, and buy some groceries. It’s not very sustainable. So you need that manufacturing. There’s another aspect to not having the manufacturing in the United States, and that is national security. When you don’t produce things like aluminum and steel and computer chips and pharmaceuticals, that doesn’t leave you very safe. If China decides, well, you’re not going to have any more computer chips, we’re sunk. or a steel or any other thing, you know. So it’s also a national security issue. And I think, you know, when we produce our own manufacturing, manufacture our own products here, it helps stabilize the world as well because you’re less likely to have that sort of, you know, destabilization with, you know, China can take over the United States or, you know, they’ve just slowly been sucking the life out of us. And it’s very hard to compete with businesses in China because they use slave labor. And that’s another thing I think that has helped suck manufacturing out of the United States. And I think one of the things that Trump is working to do is to destabilize the Chinese government so that what Steve Bannon calls the Lao Bai Jing, which are the people of China, so that they can rise up and overthrow their communist government. There are so many aspects to these tariffs. It’s an interesting issue.
SPEAKER 12 :
It is a really interesting issue on this. And as you mentioned, you and I are both free trade girls. But what we’ve realized, and we hadn’t realized it, that there’s a difference between Free, fair, honest, and transparent trade. And this trade that we’ve been involved in, these tariffs, these different countries have been charging us tariffs. You mentioned China using slave labor. If you use slave labor, then clearly you’re not paying insurance benefits and all the things that happens with labor over here in the United States. And so it’s not it’s not free, fair and honest trade. And that’s what I think Trump wants to get to. Now, interesting, as I’ve been trying to find these this different table, Trump had this table showing all of these different tariffs that these other countries were charging us. And it was very telling. And I think honest journalists would explain that. But this is so interesting. I was trying to find that table again, and I found from CNN Trump’s reciprocal tariffs. And it has down here what he’s saying he’s going to charge the other countries in tariffs, but it doesn’t have on there what they’re charging us. Again, the American people, CNN is not shooting straight with you on all of this.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I think that’s a very important point. I also don’t think that people realize that at one point our federal government was funded completely on tariffs and there was no income tax. And I think that’s another thing that Trump is trying to get back to so that he can, you know, free us of that massive burden. Not only is it, you know, expensive, but just a massive burden to try to comply with all of the 80,000 plus pages of IRS regulations. It’s terrible. And those regulations, I think, are one of the reasons why people, they’ll say, you know, corporations don’t pay tax. Well, a corporation was something that was set up, it’s just a construct by the IRS, right? And what happens to the corporations, the taxes are go through the corporation to the individuals who then pay tax on the money. So it’s not really that corporations, that money doesn’t get taxed. It does, but it gets taxed at the individual level. And so they’ve set up all of these weird constructs and it keeps people fighting, you know, like a class warfare sort of thing, which we should not have in this country.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, absolutely. So let’s continue the discussion regarding these tariffs. I’m talking with Susan Kochovar, who is just, she reads and studies on a regular basis on these important issues. She’s truly an entrepreneur. She’s the owner of the 88 Drive-In Theater, and we’ll continue the discussion. But for everything regarding residential real estate, you want to make sure that you have RE-MAX realtor Karen Levine on your side of the table.
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SPEAKER 16 :
That is really crazy. That’s one of the things I’ve kind of said to some of the other free market folks I know that are unhappy about the tariff. I always tell them, you know, it seems to me if we levied the exact same tariff as another country, doesn’t that then level the playing field? Isn’t that then a free market?
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. And I’m going to take a picture of this. I may actually tweet this out. We’ll see. So with that, OK, yeah, we’re starting to try to do more tweeting here. So this was this is from Richard. And he said, after listening to Donald Trump yesterday, I came to the realization that his goal is to eliminate all tariffs around the world. So zero tariffs mean free, fair trade for everyone. and it would be the optimal outcome. Additionally, one more important point regarding what Trump said yesterday. He said we’re going to have zero trade deficits with any country in the world, and this is huge. So that trade deficits, those two things are important. I know he said he wants to get rid of the income tax. If we get down to no tariffs, how could he eliminate the income tax? I don’t know. How could that work?
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s a good question. I’ll have to noodle that because that’s one thing he definitely wants to do is get rid of that income tax. And I think that’s very important because, you know, we have these people that go into Congress and they’re just spending money like crazy and oddly become more and more wealthy. It gives them something to buy and sell. And so I think cutting that income tax and cutting the amount of money that the federal government takes in is extremely important.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Okay. So we get rid of waste, fraud, and abuse. We lower spending. And if we could get rid of income tax, I can’t tell you the number of people that I’ve talked with that have been doing their taxes. And just for example, helping with our Holly and Ash and Sean regarding their lawsuit. I’ve had people say, I’d like to give more, but I just had to pay my income tax. And so it’s important to understand if people had more money in their pocket, we could do more things for ourselves, our families, our country. And so I think that’s really important. What about, have you been watching this whole thing down at the Colorado State House and wanting to get rid of Tabor and all of the spending, a $44 billion budget down there? It’s pretty bad here in Colorado right now, Susan.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, you know, they’re operating at a deficit. A business can’t do that. I don’t know. The craziness is really off the charts. And I would want to ask all of those people, when do you start taking our money? At what point do you have enough when we have no money? Because it’s getting extremely tough to operate a business in Colorado. And that means those jobs go away. So how much destruction is enough? there doesn’t seem to be any stopping them. And you know, one point I wanted to make about the taxes, on April 15th, small business people, people that own businesses, are going to have to make their estimated tax payments. And after watching all of the money that Doge has found that was wasted, it’s really hard to make those estimated payments starting in And, you know, it’s just an estimate of the money that you’re going to make this year. And in my case, I haven’t made any money the first quarter. You know, it’s just really sickening to see all this happen and to see all the waste both at the federal and state levels. I think people are getting to a point where they’ve had enough.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and so several things. That’s why, first of all, a federal form of government, which is federalism, which is what we have here in America. And it took me a while to understand the word federalism versus statism. And statism is basically where the state, not the state of Colorado, but the state government controls, works to control everything. Federalism is our form of government where we have the federal government, but everything that can be taken care of at the state, the county, the local level, we need to start at the local level and then move up from there. What I see to try to undercut Trump is really at the local level, the county level, many of these city councils and county commission offices are held by radical activist Democrats or those that are pushing the radical activist Democrat platform. And part of that’s because we haven’t truly been paying attention to what’s been happening at the local level. And I’ll throw in school boards and special districts as well as Susan Kochabar.
SPEAKER 16 :
One hundred percent. And there are so many of them and they are so busy, you know, with meetings and other things. the average person can’t keep up when you’re trying to work, keep your head above water, you know, and enjoy some of your life. You cannot attend all these boards, meetings, commissions, you know, go down and testify at the Capitol, which they’ve made extremely difficult. It’s impossible to even keep up. We have just way too much government and all of these boards and commissions, you know, um, We have seen through things like Agenda 2020, which people at one point thought was just a conspiracy theory. It put together a network of people who move into the communities and start taking over boards and commissions and city councils and other things and pushing a really crazy agenda. They know people can’t watch all that stuff and keep up, and that’s how they get it through. And we’re going to have to get it stopped.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and so elections truly, truly matter. And that is why I will mention our Colorado 2024 election project. Thank you to all of you who supported that. We’ve got those lawsuits in place. And the basis of those lawsuits are, one, over here with United Sovereign Americans, that Colorado is not meeting the minimum standards. as set forth by Congress for our elections. And elections, our Constitution really puts the conduct of our elections in our states and our local government. But Congress has said, you’ve got to hit some minimum standards. And it’s a civil rights issue because there were some civil rights infractions, I would say, on elections. on elections run by states and counties and local elections and trying to mess around with civil rights. And Congress says, no, you got to make sure you hit these minimum standards. So that’s our first lawsuit. The other lawsuit is that our voter rolls are not clean. And so those two things are really important. We’re going to have some some really important work here in 2025, 2026 as well. And Susan Kochevar, I really think that this next election will be so telling for our country because Trump certainly has his agenda. And we can see that there are those PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats and interested parties that want to stop his agenda, which from what I can see, he’s trying to stay within the Constitution, reclaim our country. And they want to stop him from doing that. And so one of the ways they’ll do that is to try to take the senatorial and congressional seats in this next election and control the House and Senate, as well as these down-ballot races as well, Susan.
SPEAKER 16 :
100%, those lawsuits and straightening out our elections are essential. In my view, that’s the only way we are going to be able to effectively take this back. If there’s one thing that people can do, focus their attention, that’s where I would focus on those lawsuits and demanding that our elections go to single day, paper ballot, voter ID. You know, the left knows that After a while, it’s going to become very obvious that our economy is declining, prices are rising, people can’t make it anymore. So people will start to vote to get rid of these policies. That’s why it’s so important for them to control the elections now, because people have had enough. And those elections happen, and the crazies get voted in, and we’re done. So I think the elections are the place to focus your attention.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that is one of the big places that we are focusing here on the Kim Munson Show. So I’m going to continue the discussion with Susan Kochevar. We would love to hear from you as well. 303-477-5600. The text line is 720-605-0647. And these are important discussions. And for everything regarding mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And be sure and check out the website for the Center for American Values. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. The center is nonpartisan. It’s nonpolitical. It focuses on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. And they will be hosting a great On Values presentation on patriotism. The 16th of April, I’ll be down there emceeing the event, so be sure and join me. Norma Donlon will be presenting. She’s the widow of Roger Donlon, Medal of Honor recipient. So check all that out at AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. On the line with me is Susan Kochevar. She is the CEO. Excuse me, she is the entrepreneur and owner, I guess you’re the CEO as well, of the historic 88 Drive-In Theater, Susan. And we’ve got Ron on the line. Ron, what is on your radar?
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, Kim. About the illegitimate government here in Colorado is what they’re doing is they’re doing the exact same thing they’re doing to California. Yeah. So what the legislation here has to do is they have to write 100 bills that goes completely against what they want and let them go, and then they have to debate it. And you know they don’t want to stay in office or stay there and debate it. Yes. So use what they’re doing to us against them and do the exact same thing. Because I heard… The guy that you had, I think his name was Andy, that filled in for you. Oh, Alan? Alan, yeah. And he said that they didn’t want to stay there. They didn’t want to spend the time. So make them spend the time. Make them go in there and stay there over the weekends and everything, and they’ll stop doing to them, to us, what we’ll do to them. So I think that that’s what would alleviate that.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, it’s an interesting strategy. Thank you, Ron, for bringing that up. And I’m not quite sure. My understanding, again, we should ask Kevin Lundberg or one of our representatives, that each bill that is introduced does need to go through committee, I think. But this shutting down debate… has been a real problem. And I’m going to be interested to see what, if they call for a session on Easter, that would really be a direct affront. The fact that they called for the transgender and abortion bills on a Sunday morning, I think was not by accident. Ron, thank you so much for that call. And Susan Kochevar, I think it really is amazing, and not in a good way, that they had this special session regarding these terrible bills on a Sunday morning.
SPEAKER 16 :
It is. I believe they actually did that once last year, too, did they not? And I know at one point last year, the Mighty 18 completely walked out because they weren’t going to be able to make a difference, and they wouldn’t let them – you know, debate the bill or anything else. So it didn’t matter.
SPEAKER 12 :
Am I remembering that correctly? I think you are remembering that correctly. And to that point, Ramey Johnson, who is a friend of mine, she’s a former state legislator, former city councilwoman in Lakewood, And also she’s joined the CUP board, our Colorado Union of Taxpayers board. She had an excellent idea. She said that what should happen is as they walk out, and I think they should probably walk out again, but for a very important photo op is to put tape over their, the Republicans put tape over their mouths because it’s showing that their freedom of speech is being taken away. And walk out. I think that that would be a very powerful photo op. And I hope that maybe they’re listening and they will use Ramey Johnson’s idea on that because voices are being stifled. And I think that’s a visual that the people of Colorado need to see.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree with the tagline, you elected us to be your voice and you’re being silenced because they’re really silencing the people that the elected represent. The citizens who elected them are being silenced. It’s horrible.
SPEAKER 12 :
It is really, really horrible. So two other things that I wanted to just toss out for you, Susan Kochavar, is Jenna Griswold, current secretary of state, has announced that she is running for attorney general because Phil Weiser, attorney general on the Democrat side, has announced that he’s going to run for governor. Now, my understanding regarding Jenna Griswold, as we’ve been going through this whole thing, is that she is really more of a figurehead. She’s not been the one that’s really been running things over at the Secretary of State’s office. That, in fact, Christopher Beal, the Deputy Secretary of State, has really been the one that’s been running everything. But maybe because of our lawsuits, the pressure that’s been put on him, he’s resigned. And not quite sure where he’s going, but they have helicoptered in. Andrew Klein from the powerful Democrat law firm Perkins Coie as the deputy secretary of state here in Colorado. So we’re playing with the big boys now here, my friends. And we do have our two lawsuits out there. I don’t know of – I think – I don’t know of any other, I don’t know that the, I just don’t know of any other real lawsuits out there, Susan Kochavar. And then we’ve got this lawsuit that we want to help Holly Kaysen and Sean Smith and Ash Epp with. And if you’d like to help us with that, text me at 720-605-0647 and I’ll get the details to you. But these lawsuits that we have gotten in place are super, super important. And we’re going to be playing with the big boys on this, Susan Kochavar.
SPEAKER 16 :
We are, and that makes me think we might be making some inroads. You know, it’s really always hard to see because the other side pretends to be bigger than they are, but it makes me think their bench may not be that deep. And that does look to me like they’re bringing in the big guns. And I think the lawsuits are the way to stop them.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think so, too. Now, question coming in from Mary. Is the deputy secretary of state elected? I do not think so. I think that they are appointed. We’ll have to check on that and make sure on that. But again, this goes back to unelecteds that are running things instead of the electeds. And Jenna Griswold. And to her credit, if you are a Democrat, radical Democrat. You’re going to like her because she has really taken the radical activist extremist party line. And so you’re going to like her if that’s what you want. But my understanding is she’s the figurehead, and there really are those behind her that’s running the show, Susan.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I think that’s true, and I think that your texture makes a very excellent point. That is a very good thing to look into. Is the Deputy Secretary of State appointed? That’s an important question.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, we’ll check that out. Maybe Joe can do a quick search on that. Is the Colorado Deputy Secretary of State elected or appointed? Next thing, Susan, and this – oh, I’m trying to get this up. But Laura Loomer had come out and done a really important piece about the potential conflicts of interest with this Judge Boesberg. And this is from your news, Know Everything. And Boesberg is the judge that has said that we need to bring these – these gang members back after being deported, which I think most everybody in America is thinking that’s not a good idea, Susan.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I don’t think they’re in touch with Main Street. I mean, we certainly see how that all plays out on the streets of Denver and surrounding communities. Not well.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, they’re very tone deaf, aren’t they? They are. So this is from your news. What’s that? The deputies? You know what? Let’s let’s recheck on that. The secretary of state is. So we’re going to check on that. This is from your news. Let me see how much time I have. Says District Judge James Boesberg. Again, this is from Laura Loomer, who’s currently threatening to hold the Trump administration officials in contempt over their refusal to reverse deportation orders for violent illegal aliens, is now facing serious conflict of interest allegations uncovered by investigative reporter Laura Loomer. Judge Boasberg recently issued a temporary restraining order against the use of the Alien Enemies Act. But she goes on to say she revealed that Boasberg’s brother, Tom Boasberg, formerly employed Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals DACA recipients as teachers during his tenure as superintendent assistant. Denver Public Schools. Tom Boesberg now serves as superintendent of the Singapore American School, which is being promoted by the U.S. State Department despite his prior policies involving undocumented immigrants. Everything seems like it leads back to Colorado. Susan Kochavar, we’ve got a couple of minutes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I think that it does seem that way. Of course, we have a gang of four here who put together the blueprint, and this is probably part of it. Now, you see that the Supreme Court stepped in yesterday and kind of KO’d Judge Boasberg with these deportations so Trump can continue. Laura Loomer also reported, and some others, how Justice Roberts seems to be compromised as well. So I’m wondering if they’re not getting enough pressure on Justice Roberts to start to actually get these unconstitutional things fixed.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. And it really is against our Constitution to have these lower level judges trying to thwart what’s happening over on the executive branch of government. So from what I can see, Susan, we’ve got about 30 seconds left. Trump is trying to stay within the confines of the Constitution. And your final thought?
SPEAKER 16 :
Hang tough, like the president asks. He’s doing the right things. And stay focused on those lawsuits.
SPEAKER 12 :
We will do that. And thank you to all of you that have helped with that. And so we’ve got this other one. Text me at 720-605-0647 because this is the one to stop the NGO lawfare and really important on that as well. And our quote for the end of the show, I went to Mary Jansen, and Mary is one of our – Cut board members also. She’s a former city councilwoman in Lakewood as well. So she’s seen how the sausage is made. And she had this very important quote as we’re looking at what happened down at the statehouse just, I guess, two days ago, Sunday. So she said, tyrants do not know how to negotiate. They only know how to mandate. And so my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
SPEAKER 13 :
Talking about freedom Talking about freedom I will fight
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