Welcome to the Kim Monson Show podcast. Kim Monson is your host. The Lakewood City Council is moving plans forward to redevelop portions of the Federal Center – a contaminated former munitions production site – into a high density urban center. Former Lakewood City Councilwoman Ramey Johnson discusses the May 8th screening of Half-Life of Memory: America’s Forgotten Atomic Bomb Factory. Hannah Goodman, Chairman of the Colorado Libertarian Party, addresses the Colorado political landscape. Paula Sarlls shares an invite to the 2nd annual USMC Memorial golf tournament. Plus, we’ll hear from realtor Karen Levine. ————————————————————————————– The Kim Monson Show
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Do they strive for excellence? Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team that I get to work with. And that is Producer Joe, Producer Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. It is Thursday. Producer Joe is under the weather. And I’m so grateful to Producer Luke for being behind the board. Thank you, Luke.
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And I know you are happy to do it. I think the only thing is is that 6 a.m. hits a little tricky because you stay later into the day. So I really do appreciate you making this happen, Producer Luke.
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And check out the website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly e-mail newsletter while you’re there. That way you will get first look at all of our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. I thank all of you who support us. And the text line is 720-605-0647. And I do want to hear from you. And you can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. And that’s K-I-M-M-O-N-S-O-N.com. The show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast in the afternoon, 1 to 2 in the afternoon, second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And that is on all the KLZ platforms, which is KLZ 560 a.m., KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, the KLZ app. And you can say, Alexa, play KLZ, and apparently it comes in loud and clear. There’s a lot going on in our world today. I was at the Capitol for most of the day yesterday. Teresa, who is our partnership liaison, and I went down for the hearing for House Bill 251312. which is the bill that, as proposed, would basically put in place several things. But a couple of the really bad things on it were that if a child or if parents did not affirm a child’s gender confusion or gender delusion, that Child Protective Services could remove the child from the home. And this is communist kind of stuff. And then another is that, again, would shut down voices in as much as if you would not affirm someone’s gender confusion or their delusion, and you would be considered discriminatory. And this would also play out also then into, education system, Christian schools, not being able to teach Christian values. The potential far-reaching consequences of this are so significant. And so it was a really interesting day. I said to Teresa as we were getting ready to go down there, I said, I have lots of things to do, want to do, the creativity of the show, all that we have to do. And I was frustrated in a way that we had to go down, pay for parking, spend a whole day of our time to stand against this very bad bill and stand for our children. But we have to do it. When the situation presents itself, we have to do it. And so we were down there. And Aaron Lee and Lori Gemmelstein are both friends of mine. And… Lori is the co-founder of CPAN, Colorado Parents Advocacy Network, and they had put on their website a great way to sign up to testify, and then also they had a petition regarding defeating this 1312. Okay. As of yesterday morning, 32,000 people had signed that petition. So Coloradans are watching, and I think they’re aghast at what we are seeing down at the Statehouse. And I do want to say thank you to Senators John Carson and Senator Lisa Frizzell. They are both Republicans, and they had great questions. And bless their hearts, they had to be there for the duration. And the chair of the committee, Julie Gonzalez, said that they were going to shut off testimony at 1130 last night. Teresa and I stayed until a little after 8. So we were there for nine hours. And I know I want to also give a shout out to Patty McKernan. I sat next to her with Protect Kids Colorado and Protect Kids Colorado and CPAN, Colorado Parents Advocacy Network, are really standing in the gap, informing people on what is happening down at the statehouse and really taking a stand. And in fact, Lori, I was talking with her. We both left about the same time. and she said, Kim, she said, I don’t think I really want to walk alone to my car. And I said, well, Teresa, I’ll walk with you. And then what had happened, though, is in the hallway there were some trans activists, and apparently one of them came and pushed her from the back and then spit in her hair. And at that point in time, Lori said, you know, I think maybe I might make a different choice. And so the – Colorado patrol that’s in charge of the state patrol that’s in charge of the Capitol did make sure that she got to her car safely. And so, and that’s one of those concerns. Also, you get down there to the state house and if you end up at one of those hearings that’s late into night, the night and Denver’s not, not safe anymore. It’s, it’s become a violent city. And so you have to really, really plan ahead about parking and how you’re going to get to your car because going down to the people’s house, is a real endeavor. But I was able to, Teresa and I were able to get into the, it was the old Supreme Court chambers where they heard, were here conducting that particular committee hearing. And we were able to get into that. But there were so many people that were there that they had three other or four other overflow rooms with people where they had to to be wait to, to be called, uh, to testify. So people came down to the Capitol. There was a rally at 10 30 yesterday morning. And, uh, so the people of Colorado are paying attention, which is really a good thing. However, from a strategic standpoint, after being on city council, I could see some of this, uh, strategy that was occurring that happens with, um, the committee chairs or the mayor of a city, there’s strategy involved in these committee hearings. So I think the particular strategy with this was that there was over 700 people that had signed up to testify on this bill against it. And that was both for online and in person. And So first of all, the chair of the committee, Julie Gonzalez, said we’re going to give – and I can’t remember how many they said were for it, but clearly not even close to 700 people. So instead of saying we are going to hear everybody’s voices, she said we’re going to have the same amount of time for those for and those are against. So right there, she’s putting her finger on the scale, saying that we’re going to shut down – some of these voices over here, and we’re giving equal time, I have that in air quotes, to the issue, I guess you would say, but she’s not giving equal time to the voices of the people. And so, again, that’s a strategy. And then I am pleased that she did do pro and con, a panel of pro, a panel of con. I’ve actually seen in some of these contentious issues that sometimes they would have, and I say they, the radical activists, extremist Democrats, would pack in all of those that were for their terrible bill, or all of, well, we’ll say that the terrible bill that everybody that was for it, and then make everybody sit and wait to testify who are against it. So there’s all kinds of different strategies They can be employed. We’re going to be talking with Scott Bottoms in the last segment of the second hour. He’s a representative, a Colorado representative down at the state house. And it’s a, it’s a story of Democrat. I, well, I think it’s Democrat AIDS. You know what? I better make sure that these are AIDS down at the, for sure. AIDS down at the Capitol, female AIDS that are uncomfortable for, with a male that is using their restrooms. And the reaction by the leadership of the Democrat Party is unbelievable. So you will not want to miss that. That’s going to be in the second hour of the last segment. So let’s get over here, though, to our word of the day. And the word of the day is sanguine. And it’s spelled S-A-N-G-U-I-N-E. And it could be cheerfully confident, optimistic. Number two, at ease or accepting. Or number three, having blood as the dominant humor in terms of medieval physiology. So your challenge is to use the word sanguine in a sentence today. And even though, I don’t know if I can say that I’m cheerfully confident, but I am optimistic that we have many people that are understanding that there really is good and evil. There really is right and wrong. We’ve gone through the period of relativism and postmodernism and where really anything goes. And the quote from, was it G.K. Chesterton the other day? The danger is if you do not believe in God, it’s not that you believe in nothing, it’s that you will believe in anything. And what I saw with the testimony yesterday was this whole transgender activism group that they will believe in anything. The other thing I was thinking about is that mankind, humankind, wants to believe in something. And so there is all kinds of religion. There is this religion, I think, of this trans activism movement. And it really is a movement. When we had Greg Veeder on, who he also testified, we had him on earlier in the week, and he’s a therapist. He had been a therapist for sex offenders. And just when I talked with him about relativism and postmodernism, yeah, I kind of lost my train of thought. I was thinking about his testimony as well. There was a lot going on, and it was a late night, so we’re going to stay on task here. But I am optimistic. People are waking up, but they are flooding the zone with all these bills. Oh, and I’ll give you some additional – let me make a note here. I’ll give you the update on what happened with 1312. But I was wondering, who should I have for our quote of the day? And I was trying to think of somebody that had really stood in the face of evil, and that was Dietrich Bonhoeffer. And he was born in 1906. He died in 1945. And Eric Metaxas had written an excellent book on Dietrich Bonhoeffer, which I read. And I know Colonel Bill Rutledge, 96 years young, has read it as well. But Bonhoeffer was a German Lutheran pastor. And he was a theologian, and he was an anti-Nazi dissident. And he was a key founding member of the Confessing Church. And his writings on Christianity’s role in the secular world have become widely influential. His 1937 book, The Cost of Discipleship, is described as a modern classic. And what had happened with Hitler is Hitler had gotten many of the pastors of the churches to basically swear allegiance to him and the Nazis. And in doing so, they moved away from preaching the gospel. And they moved away from standing for what was right. And this was very strategic on Hitler’s part. And we’ve actually seen that with many of the modern churches in America today. They’re afraid to say anything that might take away their 501c3 nonprofit status. We saw this through COVID. And so – I think I see some parallels with some of the things that were happening back before World War II and happening now. And so Bonhoeffer, he took a stand. He ultimately did end up in a prison camp. Hitler did end up killing him, but he stood for what was right. And so I thought this quote from Bonhoeffer was was really powerful as I was thinking about the Capitol. You could feel evil yesterday, but you could also feel good. You could feel God was there too. But this is what Bonhoeffer said. He said, silence in the face of evil is evil itself. And we need to let people know what is going on. Mary Jansen had texted me that she had been talking with either a friend or a new client yesterday about and had mentioned 1312 and what it entailed. And the woman couldn’t believe it. And most reasonable people can’t believe it. But this is happening in our state right now and we’ve got to stand against it. So again, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, silence in the face of evil is evil itself. And we have these discussions because we have wonderful sponsors, and one of those is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And sit down with them. Go over your insurance coverage. Make sure you have what you need. 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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy. for their great sponsorship of the show because it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And that whole industry has been under attack as well down at the Statehouse, but that’s for a different subject on that. On the line with me is my friend, and that is Paula Sarles. And she is a Marine veteran. She’s a Gold Star wife. And she’s also the president of the U.S. NC Memorial Foundation. And Paula, my heart is a bit heavy after everything being down at the state capitol yesterday. But standing to protect those here at home has been something that the military has done. And we owe our military and veterans such a debt of gratitude. And so the work that you are doing with the USMC Memorial Foundation regarding the memorial, which is out at 6th and Colfax, is really so important. And I appreciate your dedication to this, Paula Sarles.
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Well, thank you so much. And, yes, it’s important to remember what they sacrificed for us and for And just the ones that are serving now, too.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Keep them in our prayers.
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I’m sorry, what was that, Paula?
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I missed that. We have to remember the ones that are serving now and keep them in our prayers.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. Our world is a hot spot right now in our world, and we have… many, many people that are stepping up to serve. The Marine Memorial here in Colorado is the official Marine Memorial. How did that happen, Paula Sarles?
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Well, in 1977, on August 26th, the memorial was dedicated by the Commandant of the Marine Corps, Louis H. Wilson, and he dedicated it to all Marines for all times. to honor Marines and remember all who serve. And so it’s the only one in the country that was, there are other Marine memorials, but this is the United States Marine Corps Memorial.
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So the facelift is important, and you were raising money for that. And there’s going to be a great golf tournament. The second one is right around the corner now, right, Paula? Right.
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It’s May 15th at the Ridge at Castle Pines. And we have an 8 o’clock shotgun start. And there’s also a silent auction that you can bid on some things that are really cool. We just recently had some really nice Marine Corps backpacks and a bag donated to a auction off they’re just super quality and really nice and then of course we have our special cane that was made by Ruben Archuleta so that’s really special and there’s a trip or two in there I think one’s a fishing trip and I wish I could get that one I need a fishing trip laughter
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Well, what you do, a fishing trip for your birthday would just be very, very easy because, what, two years ago, you jumped out of an airplane for your birthday, and then this year, I guess it was last year, and then this year, you did the step challenge out at Red Rocks. Yes. I know that you do share how, how old you are because that’s part of the, the whole fun of jumping out of the airplane or the steps. So this was, was this your 70? What, what birthday was this year?
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Oh my gosh. So next year, I think 85 middle age now.
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Okay. And one other thing is the hole in one challenge. That’s pretty cool.
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Yes. Lynn Lyle has donated a, Really nice Chevy Colorado truck for us. If you get a hole-in-one on hole seven, you win that pickup truck. That’s really cool. And there’s several other hole-in-one challenges that are really nice as well, but they’re not as spectacular as the truck. Okay.
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Okay, well, how can people sign up?
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We need some good golfers out there to win that. That would be special.
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Wouldn’t that be cool? So how can people sign up?
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They sign up by going to USMCMemorialFoundation.org, and there’s a red banner across the webpage, and you just click on that, and it takes you to everything. And to get to the auction, you have to scroll down, and there’s not a banner but some red ink that takes you to the auction. It’s all online. Okay.
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And Teresa and I, as we were headed down to the Capitol yesterday, were talking about it. And, well, I guess it was the other day we were talking about it. I told her that you said that, yes, that could work for us. And so she and I are going to come out for lunch. I’m not a golfer, but I thought I’d love to come out and, you know, just see what’s going on. So she and I will be out there for lunch. That’s great.
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Yeah, you can register when you click on register on the website. There’s a place if you’re just going to come for lunch. and they make a really good barbecue brisket lunch. It’s delicious.
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Awesome. Well, we will see you for sure on the 15th, and Paula, I so appreciate your dedication and your love of our veterans and our military, and I thank you for all the great work that you do.
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Well, thank you so much, Kim, and you do some great work too, so thank you. Okay, and that website is?
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You bet. And that website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Paula, have a great day. You too. Thanks. And she is just an amazing woman, and I am so honored to call her my friend. A couple of things before we get to break. I did want to give you some updates on that House Bill 1312. So what happened, we’re all standing in line getting ready to go into, the chambers, and we start to hear that they’re striking different sections out of the piece of legislation. And so all of the pressure and all of the media attention, and again, thank you to Erin Lee and to Lori Gimmelstein for the great work that they do. Lori is one of the co-founders of Colorado Parents Advocacy Network, and Erin Lee is one of the founders of Protect Kids Colorado. I sat next to my friend Patty McKernan, who’s very active with Protect Kids Colorado. And so we’re all standing to get ready to go into the chambers, and we start to hear they’re striking this section, and then they’re striking this section, which that was all very positive. But I realized that… This, again, could be strategy. The fact that they brought this bill doesn’t mean that it’s going to go away forever. If for some reason this does get defeated, which would be great, rest assured that there will be something again next year. That’s why the Colorado Union of Taxpayers is so important that we’re watching all of these things. And you can actually, and you should probably do that, is go over to our website, Colorado Union of Taxpayers, which is also known as CUT, C-U-T, and that website is coloradotaxpayer.org. And we had, and we’ve invested, now we’re an all-volunteer group, and dues are only, or to be a member is only $25 a year. So please help us. Please join us. So we took and made an investment in CUT Engaged. You can see that at the top of the website, Cut Engaged. Click on that, and we have selected certain bills. We just got this going. It was probably well into half of the legislative session was already over, but we thought it was important to go ahead and get going on that. And it is super easy. In fact, Ben Williams had said the other day it took him 20 seconds to weigh in on one bill. You talk about easy. And so we do have 1312 on there. So, again, go ahead and make your voices heard. I can see many of you are starting to use this. And Mary Jansen had really suggested this. And then I talked with Susan Harris, who’s also a great sponsor of the show. She’s down in Arizona now. And they have an organization that’s doing something like this, although they have a lot more money, much more involved. But she said it’s been very effective down there. And I said, well, we’re just starting. She said it takes a little bit of time for people to understand just how easy it is. So go ahead and try it out. Cut engaged. And be informed. Because one of the things that they, again, a strategy is to flood the zone and make things, there’s so much out there, so much chaos, confusion, that it’s difficult to figure out where to weigh in. We’re trying to help you with that. And I did want to say thank you to my fellow board members. That’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. These people are all volunteers. They are spending much of their weekends during the legislative session looking at legislation, and we’ve taken positions on almost 250. I think I’ll have to look at that here in just a moment. So, again, we would really love it for you to join us as well. That way you can be super informed on what’s happening out there. And we’re going to get to talk with her in the next hour, and that is Karen Levine. So for everything residential real estate, you want her on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Pleased to have on the line with me the chairman of the Libertarian Party of Colorado, and that is Hannah Goodman. And I heard her speak at a luncheon, and I thought, oh, my gosh, you talk about someone who is just a fireball. I just was so impressed. So, Hannah Goodman, welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much for having me. It’s great to be here.
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Well, it’s good to have you, and I have lots of things to ask you about. But I first wanted to just get your take on the political climate here in Colorado. What’s your comments on that, Hannah Goodman?
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Well, we’re definitely in a very serious fight of government overreach versus individual freedom. That can never be understated. Colorado, you know, we’re deeply under attack. We’re almost beat. But also at the same time, we’re seeing brilliant people step forward and become huge voices and advocates for liberty. And so I think that is actually really, really exciting. Nothing happens if there’s no fight, really. So we have to appreciate the fight and what we can gain from it.
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Well, and down at the Capitol, there was this big fight yesterday on 1312. And a number of my libertarian friends I saw there. And as I’m looking at your positions, libertarian positions, I have a lot of very libertarian tendencies there. for sure, Hannah Goodman. We agree on a whole bunch of things. So when I say my libertarian friends could be unaffiliated friends, I saw a lot of people down there very concerned about this 1312. And so it was great to see them there, Hannah.
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Yes, we had so many members from the Libertarian Party, as well as the Chainsaw Caucus and representing and helping to bring people’s voices together and support the other organizations that are down there fighting and going toe-to-toe with this overreach that limits free speech and parental rights. under the guise of kindness and whatever it is that they always slap on the top like a bow for their terrible policies. Yeah, so we were really excited to be down there yesterday. I wasn’t, but many members of my team were, and I was just really proud that they did so well yesterday, although as much as you can go up against the machines.
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Well, it is a machine, but we’ve got to go up against the machine. And we’ve got this process. It’s called elections, and it’s people showing up. Although it is a machine down there. As I’m watching as the president of Colorado Union of Taxpayers, it’s a bill mill down there. They’re not deliberating bills, thinking about long-range consequences. There are agendas down there, and you’ve nailed it. It is overreach, government controlling your lives. And, yep, they like to put a bow on it as well. So tell me, though, you mentioned the Chainsaw Caucus. I find that intriguing. Tell us about that.
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So this is my latest project. I’ve learned so much as chair here. and formerly vice chair of the Libertarian Party, and I’ve really pushed the envelope on what a third party can do in Colorado as far as advancing liberty, right? For me, my party, it’s really not running elections. It’s actually a vehicle for enacting social change. I’m finding it, in a sense, limiting as I’m coming to the end of my chairman term. And I have been thinking, what else can I do to advance liberty? Well, we decided to build a vehicle. And this vehicle of the Chainsaw Caucus, it is a nonpartisan grassroots coalition of people who are united for cutting through government overreach and trying to protect Colorado’s freedoms. We’ve been able to unite many liberty-minded groups like the Second Syndicate, like Colorado Freedom First, and for instance, like Coloradans for Energy, to be able to come together to try and stop bad bills, empower voters, share resources, and restore common-sense governance. If we can believe it, we could get back to common-sense governance here in Colorado if we try.
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Okay, so how can people get information about this? So we have a website. Okay. Go ahead. Great. Okay, yeah, so website, because I think this is brilliant, Hannah. I love it.
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Yeah, so we have a website, chainsawcaucus.org. You can check out our mission. You can get involved. If you have a nonprofit, 501C3, 501C4, we can essentially politic together. And the Chainsaw Caucus is a registered hybrid PAC. So we can do things like joint fundraising. We can, with our own fundraising, be able to allocate resources. Say, you know, we’ve had another bad bill like SB003 this year. We would be able to then support Second Amendment groups, for instance, like the Second Syndicate, provide them resources to be able to get activists to the Capitol and all of these types of things. The nonprofits are great for interfacing with our elected officials. The Chainsaw Caucus being a PAC, we can, but legislators get a little weary of that, which is totally fine. Basically, we just want to be a nexus. We have members that are independent. We have Republican members. We have libertarians, right? And key players that are Chainsaw Caucus members can be and are leading different fights for liberty across Colorado. I mean, recently, one of our biggest successes is stopping the veto override on SB 86. And that’s not an issue that we were necessarily aligned with with some Republicans. Some Republicans still voted for it. But we worked, many key members of the Chainsaw Caucus worked to help flip legislators’ votes from yes to no to stop that override. For once, we sort of, I guess, agreed with the governor that it was limiting freedom of speech. and creating a police state. We like the idea. The execution of that bill was just wrong. And so we’re working with legislators to find a really good way to marry those ideas from a liberty perspective going forward, though. So getting involved is signing up on that website, meeting with my team and figuring out how we can best align and share resources with you guys. We want to be the support for all of these areas of the fight because the battle is huge and battlefields are many. Like you say, that legislature is just here to crank out bills and laws, and we need to be able to slash through that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and that’s really important. Now, CUT did not take a look at that. I don’t think we took a position on this Senate Bill 86. So tell us a little bit more about that because this is really interesting what happened with this veto and all this. So set this up for us because I’ve just kind of seen the headlines because I’ve been busy focused over here on 1312 quite a bit. So what happened with that?
SPEAKER 20 :
So the SB 2586 is social media, was social media regulation. actually I showed up at the Capitol to testify against this bill initially. And so did Bolas’s office. And I was quite surprised to be sitting on the same panel as a representative from his office. I was like, cause normally I would say he’s not a libertarian and I would still affirm that position, but it was just interesting to be on a panel with his representation talking about it. The thing about it, it, It’s a good idea because social media is a really horrible place for pretty much anyone, I guess, with no self-control, but especially our kids. They’re exposed to drug sales, weapon sales, apparently, all kinds of things. And I would say that that’s not good to expose our children to. But actually, you know, I have four kids. I’m deeply invested with the kids of my community, and I brought this issue to them on behalf of Representative Kelty. She reached out to me. She’s like, what do I do? How do we navigate this? This is not, you know, as it stands, our children are not protected. But actually they are. Because it is the parents’ responsibility to monitor their children’s social media use. Yes, I know that’s difficult. My oldest is 18. My youngest is 11. Believe me, I know how difficult it is to monitor our kids’ social media. The parents, it’s the parents’ responsibility to be watching what their kids are doing online and not the government. And that really leads into HB 25, 13, 12, right? Parental rights.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. Yeah, I get it. Yes. And so that’s the importance of being able to stop that that bill override. It’s a rare win for the governor to veto that bill. A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again, as they say.
SPEAKER 07 :
OK, OK. So and this this did have both Republican and Democrat. Democrat sponsors on it, and people like me to give those sponsors. Senator Lisa Purzel, and again, bless her heart for being in that committee hearing yesterday, but she’s a sponsor on this. Senator Lindsey Doherty, Representative Andrew Boesenecker, and Doherty and Boesenecker are Democrats, and Representative Anthony Hartsook, and he’s Republican. So, and I appreciate the way you’re really getting to this is should the government, at least this is what I’m hearing, is the question was should the government be in charge of this or should the parents? Am I getting that from what you’re saying, Hannah?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes. Yes. And, you know, with the bill, it’s, it really oversteps your right to speak freely. And people like me and you, Kim, we’re speaking out against all this overreach of government. We’re saying the unpopular things in this political climate. That bill, if it had passed, could easily silence our voices. And, you know, it’s a slippery slope, as they say. So that’s That’s another point of the overreach of this bill. So first, it’s overreaching parental rights and things like that. It also is. hampering the freedom of speech and you know if you label somebody wrong even um you could be shut down and it’s just we just don’t need to give the government this power and i can understand addressing the issues and concerns of the day i i definitely get that social media is not really our friend right but but overstepping our rights isn’t the solution to that
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Boy, this is absolutely fascinating. We need to go to break, but I want to understand a little bit more what happened exactly with that bill. I’m talking with Hannah Goodman, and she is the chairman of the Libertarian Party here in Colorado and then one of the founders of the Chainsaw Caucus, which you mentioned the Second Syndicate. I’m so pleased to have them as a new sponsor of the show, and I’m blessed with amazing sponsors. And so for anything mortgages, reach out to Lauren Levy.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. And sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. And check out the Center for American Values in Pueblo, Colorado. They have been focused on these foundational principles of honor and integrity and patriotism. And they’ve put together great educational programs for Americans. for K-12 students and honoring our Medal of Honor recipients with their portraits of valor and in their great On Values presentations, which their next one is going to be at the end of May. So get all that information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. I’m talking with the chairman of the Colorado Libertarian Party, Hannah Goodman. She’s also a – are you the founder or one of the founders of the Chainsaw Caucus, Hannah Goodman?
SPEAKER 20 :
I’m one of four founders, and I chair the caucus.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, great. I’m just fascinated on this Senate Bill 86. So what happened then? It passed both the House and Senate and got to the governor’s desk. Is that right?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes, it did. And then he vetoed it. And one of the notes that he made in his veto letter was that it’s asking and compelling platforms to act as judge and jury. And that was one of the main reasons for his vetoing the bill, for example. And that’s true because the bill bypasses judicial oversight, right? And that undermines the First Amendment protections against government-driven censorship, right? And that really is what the same thing he’s been saying, that his office has been in opposition to this bill the whole time. They didn’t even offer amendments. I remember sitting in committee and the panel of mostly Democrats was like, the governor is against this? They’re like, yep. They’re like, they’re not even going to offer amendments? He said, nope. So I’m certain the plan from their perspective was to veto the whole time. But both sides of the legislature passed it. And in that, you know, it’s hard because it would have turned social media into a government surveillance tool, right, in silencing Coloradans’ free speech. Right. It’s hard because we’ve fought so hard to protect rights, discussing guns, politics, or anything else without Big Brother watching us. Really, the overview and the significant concerns of the bill was the potential to infringe on individual freedoms, specifically free speech, privacy, and due process. And it would expand government overreach. And my opposition to it was that were these concerns. And So with that, we did our best to meet with legislators like I met with Kelty. We’ve talked to Rep. Gonzalez, Woog, a bunch of our liberty hitters to grasp. He was openly against it, but he’s got a really solid liberty foundation under him. So it was really important for us to stop the veto override, and we were able to do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Some of the bill required – And did that happen – so did the – and I should know this, I know, but so he vetoes it. It goes back to have a vote to override the veto. Is that in the Senate, or how did that work exactly? Okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
It started in the House and then would have done another vote in the Senate. Both sides of the legislature would have had to re-vote to pass that. It’s not often we have a veto override. So, of course, most of us are rusty on what the process is. I know that I just scrambled to look it up. Okay, what happens now? Because it’s not something I’ve come across so far in my political career, which is not huge. And So, yeah, that would be the process for a veto override.
SPEAKER 07 :
Boy, this is huge and good for the governor. I don’t agree with the governor very often, but I do agree with him. As you are explaining this, because, Hannah, I remember the Patriot Act, and I wasn’t real – you probably weren’t even born yet. No, I was. And I remember it being presented, and I was just starting to – look at these things from a political standpoint. But my father always, I spent a lot of time with my dad, and you’re from the Eastern Plains, I’m from Western Kansas. And he had just a real understanding of freedom and the proper role of government, all those things. And I remember hearing the Patriot Act, and it was being sold to us as to protect us. And I thought, huh, boy, this doesn’t seem like this is a good idea. But it was after 9-11. And it’s like, okay, Well, they passed it. Oh, my gosh, it’s been used for so much government overreach. And so when we get to these questions like this, the right thing to do is to stand on the side of liberty. And thank you for doing that.
SPEAKER 20 :
You’re welcome. It can be often an unpopular place to be. And It’s hard, but it’s the necessary thing to do. And it’s hard to remind people, look, you’re giving up your rights. You’re giving up your liberty. It goes in with 1312. Do you want the government to come co-parent alongside you and eventually take away all your parental rights and parent for you? Most rational people would say no. And so we always have to turn back to, yes, there’s harm in the world. How do you navigate the harm without government overreach? And at the end of the day, that’s really what this fight is about.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it is, and it’s about the proper role of government. And that’s really what the whole founding of our country was about. And, Hannah, I posit this question. I really think that we are in the third founding of our country. And the first, obviously, was the revolution. The second was the Civil War. We’re in this huge battle of ideas right now. And our founders put in place a system where we would engage in this battle of ideas like you and I are doing this right now instead of picking up arms against each other. And that’s why I think Colorado is at the tip of the spear on all this to stand for liberty in this battle of ideas. And this Chainsaw Caucus, I think this is really intriguing what you’re putting together there. So what, you’d like to have people join you? Is that what you’d like to have happen there or – Yes, definitely.
SPEAKER 20 :
We really want to connect with people who are looking to stand up and fight and get into positions. You know, a caucus is basically just a group of people working together towards a similar idea in politics. And that’s one way to define it. Yes, of course, there’s caucusing within parties and all of the process for your internal party processes. But we are just a group of people who are united behind the ideas of liberty in a nonpartisan way, looking to get into positions to help influence democracy. government policies as they’re being handed down through our state legislature our local offices and things like that so we really want to get people involved with us and head over to the chainsaw caucus check us out our mission what we’re trying to do and contact us if you’re looking to align and get into we can help people get into positions You know, running for office, we can connect people with the best ways to do that, resources. We can help people with their nonprofits and helping them get established off the ground, as well as united on our different issues with liberty. Great.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, Hannah, we only have a minute left, and I meant to ask you this question, so I’m going to have you really lightning round on this. Okay. You and the Libertarian Party was very instrumental in helping Gabe Evans get elected to Congress. So a minute to tell us quickly what happened.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes. So not only were we able to flip a congressional seat, which hadn’t been done in 20 years, we were able to flip three House seats, which hadn’t been done in 10 years. The way we were able to help do that is by offering candidates who are running for office our Liberty Pledge, which is ideas that we can all align on. There’s nothing terribly controversial that we would disagree on. And so Kelty, Luke, Gonzalez, Gabe Evans, all of these people came under us aligned with Liberty. And we, as libertarians, chose not to run candidates against those people running for office. And so far, it’s been a huge success. And we were so proud to be able to start taking back seats here in Colorado, both on the congressional and state level.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hannah Goodman, thank you so much. I really appreciate what you’re doing, and we’ll have to get you on again very soon. Thank you. Thank you so much. And after being down at the studio, not the studio, down at the Capitol yesterday, I chose Dietrich Bonhoeffer quotes for the day. And he said this. He said, being a Christian is less about cautiously avoiding sin than about courageously and actively praying. doing God’s will. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And stay tuned for hour number two.
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With what is happening down at the Statehouse, I used to think that it was above my pay grade to read the legislation, and it’s not.
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I see big danger in as much as we will be giving an unelected bureaucrat the power to make rules about what we inject into our bodies.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
SPEAKER 07 :
Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured. You’re valued. You have purpose today. Strike for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul. your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Producer Luke, thank you for stepping in. Producer Joe is under the weather, and I really appreciate you stepping in and controlling the boards for us, Producer Luke.
SPEAKER 09 :
Of course. I’m happy to do it, Kim.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s always fun when actually you and Producer Joe are featured guests once a month as we’re doing these book reviews. And it really began because you and I were having these conversations because you were stepping in several different times. And I thought, my gosh, these are such interesting conversations. We should expand them. And you have been just a great sport, and both you and Joe are great sports about doing it. I love it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it’s been a really fun time. It’s been very enjoyable to sit down and, you know, talk for an extended period of time about a lot of this stuff.
SPEAKER 07 :
And sometimes we talk for an even longer extended period. You guys will come in and we’ll talk about it after the show. And I’m thinking we should probably do another show on it because it really is. I just love the intergenerational conversations and the fact that both you guys are up for that. And I just really appreciate you, Luke. Thank you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, thank you, Kim.
SPEAKER 07 :
So let’s continue on. This is lots of great information today. And check out the website. That’s KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter while you’re there. You will get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. And that comes out on Sundays. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. And you know what? I got sidetracked with everything that’s going on this morning. And… Just would love to hear from you on the text line, and I’ll be watching for those. 720-605-0647. Thank you to all of you who support us, and the show does come to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. First hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And that’s on all KLV platforms, which is KLV 560 AM, KLV 100.7 FM, the KLV website, and the KLV app. And you can say, Alexa, play KLV. And apparently we come in loud and clear. I wanted to say thank you to Hooters Restaurants for their sponsorship of the show. Hopefully the Avs will win tonight so they can at least stay alive in their march towards the Stanley Cup. Great place to watch all these playoff games is Hooters restaurants. And also great place to get together for lunch with friends because they have great specials Monday through Friday for both lunch and happy hour. And they’re great sponsors of the show. And how I got to know them, it’s really a question about the proper role of government. and what PBIs, those politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties, sometimes try to do. So be sure and check that out. So our first thing is, our quote of the day is from Dietrich Bonhoeffer. And I chose it because there is so much happening down at the State House. In fact, they’re flooding the zone. There’s over 700 bills, maybe close to 700. I’ll look it up here in a minute. But over 700 bills or resolutions that have been proposed down there, we don’t need – I don’t think we need another new law. I would like to see many of these laws be repealed and see legislation to get rid of these things. But there’s a lot of things coming at us. But something that has got a lot of attention was this House bill – 25, 13, 12. And Teresa Irby, who is handling our partnership liaison, and I went down and we were there for most of the day. It was going to go until 1130 last night. And I said to Teresa, I said, with this early morning hit on the show, I can’t stay down here that long. So we both submitted written testimony because I talked to Erin Lee. She said, Kim, I don’t think that they’re going to get to everybody. Well, they weren’t because there was over 720 people that had signed up in opposition of the bill. And so what has happened with House Bill 1312, there’s been amendments that have been proposed that would strike several different sections of the bill, which is good. Although my testimony, I basically said you can’t make a bad bill good with new amendments. You just need to get rid of bad bills. And so hopefully that is going to be defeated all across the board. But again, this is what Dietrich Bonhoeffer said. He said, silence in the face of evil is evil itself. So if you see something, you should say something. And certainly we need to be engaging in this battle of ideas by knowing the issues first and foremost. If you know what’s going on and you practice your communication skills, such as being a member of Liberty Toastmasters, you will start to become more effective in in this battle of ideas. Pounding your fist on the table, yelling, that’s not going to persuade anybody. And so it’s important to realize that. But we do need to engage in this battle of ideas and in the communications with our friends and family. I mentioned in the first hour that Mary Jansen said that she was talking with – either a friend or a new customer and explaining 1312, which in essence would say, if parents, if you don’t affirm your gender confusion of your child, child protection services could take your child away. Now bear in mind that they are being influenced, groomed. You can use whatever words you want. And the best way to understand what’s going on is to go to artclubmovie.com and And see the story of Aaron and John Lee and their daughter, Chloe. And Aaron has become this amazing voice regarding parental rights and what’s happening with this trans activist extremist agenda and bragging rights for us. is she broke her story on our show. Kane, who is on regularly as well, founder of Task Force Freedom Northern Colorado, shedding light on this pornography that is in our schools. Again, the pornography that’s in schools, if you see images, you cannot unsee them. And the radical activist extremists that are having these books in our schools understand that. So we need to have parental rights on… these books in school if, in fact, these books, they have to get permission to see these books because I think banning books is a dangerous road to go down. But I also think there’s age-appropriate books. And I would also then challenge us as adults. We really need to be looking, striving for high ideals instead of pornography, those kinds of things. But let’s just talk about our children and our schools. And those books need to be put aside for And if a parent says, yes, I want my child to see pornographic books, then that could be their choice. I think that’s pretty bad parenting, but we are on the freedom side. But anyway, Cain had said, there’s this mom that’s happened. And I said, well, do you think she would come on the air? And he said, well, I’ll check. And she did. And so she has gone on to be this amazing voice. But we’ve got bragging rights that we actually broke that whole thing on our show. And that’s why we’re out there talking with people, searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues, freedom versus force. And we get to do all this because we have really amazing sponsors. And I am blessed to have Karen Levine, Remax Realtor, as a friend and a sponsor. And she’s been actually with the Kim Munson Show since before the Kim Munson Show. Karen Levine, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. And there’s a lot going on over in your world. And you were in last week. And you didn’t mention this on the air. You said afterwards. But you got a really cool award. And I say it all the time that you work to protect property rights, and it’s not just words. You do it, and then you got this award that affirmed that.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that is pretty exciting. And then Also, and I didn’t ask you if I could say this, but you do some really special things for your clients, and they’re doing something this weekend that is pretty fun, yes?
SPEAKER 06 :
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Okay, so do you have to be a current client of yours, or can people that want to become a client of yours attend, or how does that work? Of course.
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SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I love that. Okay, so again, tell me, how can people sign up? Because that’s probably the best way to do it, but you can just show up if you’re thinking, I don’t know if I can do it. So there’s two options. So how can people get that information?
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Okay, and again, that’s 303-877-7516. Karen Levine, congratulations, first of all, on walking your talk and this award, being recognized for that. And then also, I love your creativity and all that you do. And I know firsthand what a great job you do as you are helping people buy and sell their homes. And again, what’s that number? 303-877-7516. And very good. So we will talk next week. Karen Levine, have a great day and a great weekend.
SPEAKER 06 :
You too, Kim. Bye-bye.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I had Paula Sarles on Facebook. In the first hour, she’s the president of the USMC Memorial Foundation, and we’ve been talking about their great golf tournament that is going to be on the 15th of May out at the Ridge Golf Course in Castle Pines or Castle Rock. And I’m pleased that both myself and Teresa Irby, our partnership liaison, are planning to go out there for lunch today. And I’m not a golfer, but I want to get out there and support the memorial. And so if you’re not a golfer, you can join for lunch as well. And you can get more information by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And there is so much happening in our state. And when I was on city council… I think it was really a God wink, a God thing. I was at a meeting down at the Colorado Municipal League and came in and sat down next to this woman. And she and I realized that we very quickly that we were just a couple of the few people that I would say understood that the proper role of government is to represent the people and protect their right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. And former state legislator. and, uh, uh, Lakewood city council, what former Lakewood city council woman, and that is Ramey Johnson. And she also is on the board of cut the Colorado union taxpayers, uh, Ramey Johnson, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you for having me.
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And it was very, um, it was just amazing that you and I ended up sitting next to each other at that Colorado municipal league meeting. It was a long, it was a number of years ago, but, um, It was almost like we instantly became friends.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree. Frankly, it was a godsend, Kim. We’ve become good friends since then with a lot of respect and love for each other. So thank you for having me.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, absolutely. And I do want to mention also on just a little different note is your husband, Walt. It has been on his heart to just have a real conversation about all this climate stuff. He’s a geophysicist, and he’s been uncomfortable with some of the narrative out there. And so you guys decided to step up and make this movie a climate conversation, and you guys asked me to be the moderator. And I’ve gotten so many different people because they’re broadcasting it online. Newsmax regularly. You can watch it for free at aclimateconversation.com. And I’ll have people that’ll reach out and say, great job on that documentary. So thank you to you and Walt for making that happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, thank you. You did a wonderful job. And speaking of movies, about three or four months ago, Walt and I viewed a documentary called Half-Life Memory. And it is regarding the contamination and the situation up at Rocky Flats and Rockwell. And I was very taken by that movie. I stayed in contact with the producer. And when he had a chance to get to Denver, we’ve been touching base with each other. We went ahead and secured Rockley’s Events Center for May the 8th. at 6.30 in order to screen this movie. I’d like to say parking is limited, so please come early. The producer will be there. But also in this movie, Kim, there is a screenshot of a letter that was given to an FBI agent requesting his signature that he would not be honest when he testified in front of Congress. regarding what he was seeing up at Rocky Flats. And that FBI agent, the whistleblower, will be with us that night. And also a lady that used to work at Rocky Flats and is cited in the movie and knows firsthand what the situation was like. But the reason why it’s important for this community here in Lakewood to see this in Jefferson County is because the Federal Center is in play regarding a build-out out there. This property was once known as the Horseshoe Property. It’s 59 acres up adjacent to the Federal Center. In 2010, or excuse me, in 2007, our city manager was involved in signing a contract to purchase land that in the morning was owned by the federal government. In the afternoon, Lakewood owned it. And then by the close of the day, Centura Hospital owned it, or what we now know as St. Anthony’s or Community Spirit. That land too was, contaminated. And the remediation that was done was that they scraped off the soil there. They put it south of the hospital. There is an elevated parking lot that is covered with asphalt, which was the contaminated soil. People have been asking for that soil test for St. Anthony’s and nobody seems to have it. I had heard, I did not hear this firsthand, that one of the representatives in the city did say when he was asked that the city doesn’t keep documents beyond two years for that. I have not verified that. If that’s so, that is really egregious. Well, a couple years ago, there was… A company, a developer, Lincoln Properties, they are based in Texas, and they went ahead and bought the 59 acres that has been in play for a long time. Several years ago, the federal government wanted to redo, repurpose, if you will, one of the vacant storage units out on the federal center to put in illegal use from 13 to 19. That project got nixed. And then this land was looked at by the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless, and that also got nixed. Well, Lincoln Properties, after they bought it, they created a separate LLC, and it’s called Lakewood Land Partners. And they’re the ones that are on the deed. Because there are so many issues and questions regarding this land, one of the concerns is if that it becomes so expensive to remediate the contamination, Will they just walk away from it? But the reason why that’s important is that it was accidentally found out by another lady, Linda Gorday, who had attended a West Metro Fire District board meeting, and they were voting that night on a TIF that they had developed with the developer. It is not the… excuse me, developers are not authorized to be negotiating TIFs. That is tax money. They have no say in that process. Well, it was put together. The fire department did vote on it. And the way that I am reading some of this is apparently one of the attorneys who is married to one of our county commissioners was involved in that process representing the land company that’s doing this. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I had two comments. First of all, for people that don’t know what a TIF is, it’s a tax increment financing. And we should probably – It’s kind of complicated is what it is. But the other thing, Rami, I’m not quite understanding the connection. Because Rocky Flats, I thought that that was kind of north part of Jefferson County. And the Federal Center, I thought they were separate things. I don’t understand how, because I remember Rocky Flats was contaminated. But the Federal, how are they related? I’m not, I don’t quite understand that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sorry, I should have explained that better. The history on this land is that after or during World War II, the federal government acquired this property to make it a munitions factory. And then after the war, that, of course, was abandoned. And then it was built out as the federal center. And I believe it houses something like 22 different departments of the federal government. It’s actually the largest area outside of D.C. that has federal entities, divisions on it. I should have said that. Interesting. Okay, interesting. I know. there were a lot of contaminants that were actually dumped on that property after World War II, and they are known contaminants. In 2016, there was a court order to look at the things that are out there. There were 25 contaminants. Twelve of them were known to be carcinogens. Let me just kind of back up because this is interesting to know. We are both on the cut board. You do a phenomenal job, really, as the president of that. One of the bills that we looked at was House Bill 1211 that has tap fees imposed by special districts. Basically, it tells special districts how much they can charge for tap fees. One of the prime sponsors on that, the prime sponsor in the House, is the same woman that is the prime sponsor for 1312. This bill actually is directly related to the federal build-out. It was, in my opinion, a sell-out to the developer, and personally I feel like it was a betrayal to this community. Well, you’re right. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I’ve got some other questions on that, Rami. Let’s go to break. It’s complicated. She’s done a really good job, I think, of bringing these points together because it’s complicated. And so it’s important to be able to organize the thoughts in our brains. I think she’s doing a really good job on that because there are so many intersecting dots to connect on this. And that’s why these discussions are so important. And we have them because of our sponsors. And Hannah Goodman had mentioned the Second Syndicate. I am so pleased to have them as a new sponsor of the show.
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SPEAKER 07 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And the show comes to you. We are an independent voice on an independent station. and it happens because of our sponsors, and I wanted to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. On the line with me is my fellow CUT board member, that’s Colorado Union of Taxpayers, Ramey Johnson, and we’re talking about the federal center, and just the land seems to be in play. And she’s trying to explain this and connect the dots. And then she’s got a screening of a documentary on May 8th that I think will be part of connecting all of these dots. Rami, so tell us a little bit about that, Rami Johnson.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. Well, the reason why I’m screening the movie ahead of time, and I want to say there’s no agenda here, I went ahead and picked up the fee for Rockleys. Nobody paid me. Nobody’s getting paid. It was because when I watched this movie and realized the federal center is in play regarding contamination, although it’s a different scenario, that there’s a lot of questions that the movie brings out. And people will be coming that night that will be talking about some of the questions. The movie is actually going to kick off the discussion afterwards, not only with the FBI whistleblower and Judy Padilla, who worked up at the federal center, but there are other people that are going to be there. Linda Gorday actually has done a phenomenal job on doing research on this and working To me, when I read through all of the research, there’s questions. We need answers to them before ground is moved. Yeah. And, Kim, one of the things that I would just – one of the questions is, is that the liquid planning department – was presented what was called a blight study. It was just briefly mentioned, and it showed 32 pages. Well, somebody went back and did a Colorado Open Records Act and actually pulled the entire blight document, and it’s 42 pages. And in that document, it talks about blight type of issues, One thing I don’t understand, Kim, is how can you even blight land that is just vacant sitting here? That doesn’t make sense to me. But a blight report will talk about environmental remediation, the CDPHE or the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, their findings, and any land use restrictions. Well, that gets into play because on… In the blight report, it states that there’s to be no soil disturbance, including digging, drilling, or grading on the northern section. And also part of that says that no soil disturbance is allowed on the northwest corner and that groundwater to a depth of 100 feet is restricted. The blight report says listed pesticides, but it emitted contaminants. I’m not sure what’s going on there. And the deed to the property says that all 57 acres are contaminated. How is that possible when it’s not to be touched and it’s contaminated? The more that I understand or read about this, Kim, the more complicated it’s getting and the more questions there are. One of the problems is that the Planning Commission feels that the federal government should do what is called a gap analysis. A gap analysis is, let’s say, a developer buys a piece of property for $100,000. Just trying to make this easy. And then the gap analysis will say, you know, in addition to the acquisition of the land, you’re going to have infrastructure, you’re going to have water, all these things. In this particular situation, the gap analysis should also say what the remediation is going to be for the contamination. And the reason why that’s important is because Lakewood, the taxpayers, have a stake in what’s going on there through the tax increment financing. So if there is contamination that is going to cost, who knows, hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the city’s involved in that, the taxpayers are on the stake, what happens if that – company that now owns this land realizes that they just can’t do that contamination and they walk away from it. Who is left holding the bag on this stuff? Because the city’s involved. So we’ve not only got the federal government involved, it’s not their business to do the gap analysis, although the city feels that they should. You’ve got the county, what appears to be an attorney for one of the county commissioners. You’ve got our state level that has gotten involved in this with these tap water fees, which was a sellout, in my opinion. And now you’ve got the city involved in a piece of property here that has a lot of questions on it. Something else that’s really interesting while I’m going through all of these documents is is that there’s a new ordinance in Lakewood and it states that hazardous land cannot be given to the city. And this means that the landfill area with no ground disturbance restrictions cannot be dedicated for parkland. So if the developer were to decide to, hey, what we’re going to do is just dedicate that 15 acres on the northern sign, which everybody apparently understands is highly contaminated and they decide to make it into parkland, they can’t do that. They can’t at least give it to the city. And we need answers, Kim, to some of this stuff. The southern portion of this project has been deemed safe, but the problem is, is how can that be possible when the deed indicates that all 57 acres are not to be touched.
SPEAKER 07 :
And who deemed it as safe? As you’re talking about this, I’m having more and more questions. Bottom line is, I think, Ramey, is there’s contaminated land at the federal center. And you now have a developer that wants to do a development there. The city of Lakewood, of course, they have to go through and get that permission to do so. And so what are they looking at? What do they want to develop on that piece of property?
SPEAKER 08 :
It looks like at this point over 2,100 apartments. So it’s not a small development. And I believe it will also include commercial. I have not seen really what you would think of as a site plan yet. And that’s another question. What will the final build-out look like? I think the thing for me is, Kim, is that the land is known contaminated. It’s been a concern with this community forever, really. But we don’t know to what degree it is, and we don’t know what the cost is going to be to remediate the contamination. And we are going to have stake in this through this. tax increment financing.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know what I learned, Ramey? This is super complicated, and I think you’ve done a really good job of trying to connect the dots on all of this. But I think from my experience on city council, and I think also with you, by the time really that the public would get information about this in a regular scenario, all the deals would already be done. there would not have been eyes on this whole process. And I think that’s why this is so important.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. Everybody in this community knew it as the horseshoe property. And then as soon as it was sold, all at once became the Bend, which is very confusing to have a name change to begin with. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. I lost you for just a minute on that. So we’ve got just a couple of minutes left, Ramey. So Ramey, Connecting these dots, this is a bit of a process, but a great place to start on all this will be to attend the screening of this documentary on May 8th. And how can people get information about it? Do you have something out there regarding the screening of the movie?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, you can go to Even Bright. By the way, there is no charge. Okay, Rene, you cut out one more time. I said you can go into the site even bright, and there is no charge for this. This is simply being done because I feel very strongly that this community not only needs to see the movie and find out what the questions are that we need to be looking at before anything happens on that property. And this will be the place where it’s going to start.
SPEAKER 07 :
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SPEAKER 07 :
And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. Email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Do check out the Center for American Values located in Pueblo. It’s a it’s one of those things that put the kids in the car this summer and just drive down to Pueblo, have some. Good family time. And go to the Portraits of Valor, and you can talk about our history and then these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. And that website is AmericanValueCenter.org. Rami Johnson is still on the line. I appreciate her shedding light on this whole federal center thing out in Lakewood. And I think it was on my end, Rami, I was having a little trouble hearing you, but wanted to make sure that we got that Eventbrite address for people to get their free ticket to for the screening of the documentary. So what is that, Rami?
SPEAKER 08 :
It is even bright. You can go into there and just reserve a seat. We do have room for 360 seats. However, there will be a great deal of standing room only, and I anticipate we will probably reach that. Thank you. Thank you for letting me speak.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and what – so they go to Eventbrite, and then what’s the description to get to that ticket?
SPEAKER 08 :
Half-Life Memory, the movie Half-Life Memory.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, great, Half-Life Memory. Rami, thank you so much, and I’m going to see you on the 8th. I’ll be there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you, Kim. Thanks a lot for this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Take care. Absolutely. Now, I wanted to jump over – I was down at the Capitol – yesterday for the rally against House Bill 1312, as well as stayed for testimony. I ended up putting in written testimony because I did not think they were going to, if they were going to call me, it was probably going to be close to 1130 at night and have a pretty early morning hit on that. But I did see Representative Scott Bottoms there and he did speak at the rally and he is on the line. Representative Bottoms, thank you for joining us.
SPEAKER 19 :
Thank you for having me as always.
SPEAKER 07 :
And before we get into this subject, you are running for governor.
SPEAKER 19 :
I am running for governor. I am so frustrated with the things that are going wrong in our state. And you can go to ScottBottoms.com to check all that out and get your information and see if I’m the guy. I think I am, but do your own homework.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. And one more time, what’s that website?
SPEAKER 19 :
ScottBottoms.com.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Now, Representative Bottoms, there is something that has happened down at the Statehouse, and it’s being swept under the rug. And you are shedding light on this and standing up for some young female aides down there. So set this up for us. What’s going on?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, these legislative aides have been having to share their women’s bathroom with men. And men are You know, they can say whatever they want. I’m a woman. I’m a rabbit, whatever. But those kind of things, that’s a fake context that they build. They’re biological men, and they’re coming into these women’s bathrooms. That’s the problem. And so when these women filed a complaint, a formal complaint, there’s been complaints for years about this, and they’ve been stifled. The women in this Capitol building get bullied day after day. It happened last night with the whole transgender thing. There were people shoving our representative women. They were spitting on them, cussing them. And this stuff is on video, but the Speaker of the House came after the Republican women on this because this is who she is. Well, these aides… filed a complaint, and immediately the attacks began. It was supposed to be confidential. All of this stuff was supposed to be confidential. But all of a sudden, these lawyers were coming after these aides from these transgender lawyer groups, and they’re harassing them. What the Speaker of the House should have done, should have said, you know what, you’re right. Men no longer allowed in women’s bathrooms. That would have been the right thing, the ethical thing, the thing of integrity to do. But instead, they just attacked the women in these aides and have made their life miserable, and they’ve done nothing except they filed a complaint. And they didn’t go through the right procedures to file a complaint, too. In fact, I think there’s a lawsuit that we’re going to work on there. But this is egregious.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so these are pretty young women, I think, right? Aids normally are typically young people that are wanting to get some political experience. And were they aides to Republican legislators or Democrats, both? What did that look like?
SPEAKER 19 :
The aides that filed the complaint are Republican aides. And, yes, they’re younger women. Most of them. Some of the people. Now, there’s the ones that are on the formal complaint and then everybody else that’s involved. And some of the ones that are involved are older. But the people in question, the men that have been going in the bathroom are Democrat aides and Democrat representatives that are going in these women’s bathrooms. And, by the way, part of the complaint later, a week or two later, became that this male – that had been going in the bathrooms is now stalking, and he’s also an aide, is now stalking these girls around the Capitol. And this was part of the reason the girls were told, well, just stay in public places. Just come over to the Capitol building and stay in public places. So now they’re told stay in public places so this guy can harass them more, so he can stalk them more. And one of the representatives said something to him about it, and he took off running out of the room. This is crazy. But the worst part about this is not even that. It’s the fact that when these professional women make a complaint, they are vilified. They are turned into the bad guys by the Speaker of the House and by the legal team at the Capitol.
SPEAKER 07 :
Wow. So much for transparency and standing up for women, huh?
SPEAKER 19 :
This was part of the thing that was happening last night was if it’s women, if it’s women that are going to stand up and say something or do something, they’re going to be attacked. And when a lot of these transgender groups last night in the Capitol building were going after the women, The Speaker makes the women representatives and the women testifying, she makes them the bad guys. She vilifies the women because of her Marxist transgender ideology. The Speaker of the House is one of the biggest bullies I’ve ever seen in my life. She bullies me, too, but I’m different. I do not care what that woman thinks about anything. But she bullies our Republican caucus members. And most of the time our caucus kind of just lays down and rolls over. Part of it is because they don’t know for sure what rights they have.
SPEAKER 07 :
So, Scott Bottoms, I’ve watched this over the years. And years ago, feminists said that they were standing up for women. They vilified domestic violence, vilified men, domestic violence. And there’s no excuse for domestic violence. I’m not saying that there is. But it was all under this guise of protecting women and children and I think really vilifying men. And again, I’m not saying domestic violence is okay, but I’m saying that they were taking the stand against men who were attacking women. I’ll just put it that way. So now here we are in 2025 Colorado, and we have men attacking women, and they’re now trying to vilify the woman. And so you can see this Marxist ideology. They can hide behind a lot of different things, but ultimately it’s about – it’s not about what they really say. It’s about power control, destruction, destroying. That’s what it’s really about, I think, Scott Bottoms.
SPEAKER 19 :
It is. This is an ideology, and I believe it’s a Marxist ideology. But also, just from being a pastor for 35 years, I recognize these things. This is also a spiritual thing. You take a room full of people, and some man stands up and says, I’m a woman. Everybody in the room knows that’s not true. Everybody in the room says, no, that’s a man. But now you’ve got people fighting for this non-truth that says, no, he’s a woman, to the point where they have to hold on to it so strongly and control and manipulate so strongly that now they’re actually attacking real women because these men are saying that they’re a woman. And this happened last night. In the Capitol, they shoved one of the people, the women, this man shoved a woman, spit in her hair, and the speaker is making the woman the person that’s the problem.
SPEAKER 07 :
I was actually, I wasn’t there for the actual what happened, but I was standing in the hall where we were just probably eight feet apart. So my friend who got shoved and her spit in her hair, And then the person that did it, who had on women’s clothing, but then as he walked by to go into the chambers, said something, and it was clearly a man’s voice. And then I also was not there, but then I talked to one of the aides of one of our women legislators, who she was name-called. And I find this just so interesting because the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee said that gave us all these rules about what we could and couldn’t do and respectful and listen and blah, blah, blah. But that wasn’t clearly happening. Scott Bottoms, we’ve got about 40 seconds left. Thank you for coming on to give us the rundown on this. I know you’re going to be heading down to the Capitol. Your final thought for our listeners.
SPEAKER 19 :
I think the biggest thing for me that’s just deep in my head and in my spirit is is we have to stand up to this stuff. We have to. The people of Colorado, I’m saying Democrats and Republicans. Democrats, your party has been taken from you by these leftist Marxist crazies. We have to stand up and say enough is enough. What point do we get to that? And we got to reclaim Colorado.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we’re at that point, and we have to reclaim Colorado. Representative Bottoms, thank you for making the time to join us this morning.
SPEAKER 19 :
Thank you.
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