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It does look dreary, but oh my gosh, can you believe how green it is? We live in a high country desert, and so typically we don’t have it this green. So it’s pretty beautiful right now, but it is a little rainy and dreary too. But check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. While you’re there, make sure that you are signed up for our email newsletter that goes out on Sundays that highlights our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. The text line I do want to hear from you is 720605. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. And it’s not compassionate nor altruistic to take other people’s stuff. And that could be their property, but their freedom, their livelihoods, opportunity, childhoods, or lives via force. And force obviously can be a weapon, but it can be policy and unpredictable and excessive taxation. Fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, this agenda by the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites that play out through the United Nations and carrying the water here in Colorado is this legislature and this governor. And then there’s all these things, land use codes and zoning regulations and forced fees and conservation easements national monument designations transmission line easements co2 pipeline easements all these things are taking away property and that’s why we need to be shedding light on what’s happening here remember if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to implement it and we focus on the issues here at the show not the personalities we’ll talk about people involved in these issues but we want to stay focused on the issues Otherwise, we get off over in the weeds on personality stuff and we lose sight of what we really need to be talking about. Hooters Restaurants is a sponsor of both the shows, the Kim Monson Show and America’s Veterans Stories. And they have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster and Colorado Springs. And how I got to know them is a really important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats and interested parties trying to control. our lives. And so very pleased to have them as a sponsor of the show. Our word of the day is iconoclast and it is spelled I C O N O L, excuse me, I C O N O C L A S T. It’s a noun. It could be number one, one who attacks and seeks to overthrow traditional or popular ideas or institutions. Number two, it could be one who destroys sacred religious images. And number three, it could be a breaker or destroyer of images or idols, a determined enemy of idol worship. And I took this John Caldera had written a piece about Kent theory and changing continuing to change elections here in Colorado. And he called Kent theory an iconoclast. And last election cycle theory was behind and lots of money was put into the ranked choice voting jungle primary. question on the ballot, which was defeated, which is a very good idea, because it would really go against one person, one vote. The results of an election would be because of a computer algorithm. and that’s not what we need to have happening here so fortunately the people of colorado saw through that and did defeat that our quote of the day i went to satchel page i was looking for baseball players and i’ve heard the name i didn’t know that much about him but he was born in 1906 he died in 1982 and he was an american professional baseball pitcher And he played in the Negro League Baseball and Major League Baseball. His career spanned five decades and culminated with his induction into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. And he was a right-handed pitcher. Must have been really good because he first played for the semi-professional Mobile Tigers from 1924 to 1926. Then he began his professional baseball career in 1926 with the Chattanooga Black Lookouts of the Negro Southern League, and he became one of the most famous and successful players from the Negro Leagues. On town tours across the United States, Page would sometimes have his infielders sit down behind him and then routinely strike out the other side. And so anyway, he said this. He said, never let your head hang down. Never give up and sit down and grieve. Find another way. and that is from Satchel Paige. And we talk a lot about energy on the show, and that is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal. And I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it is this reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy source that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And Rami Johnson and I are headed up to Cheyenne today to speak at the Republican Federated Women’s Luncheon there. And we’ll be talking about the documentary, A Climate Conversation, which you can watch for free at aclimateconversation.com. But we realize that this affordable energy is really under attack and this whole smart meter thing. here in Colorado with Xcel Energy is the smart meter actually allows Xcel to charge you higher rates at different times of the day because it monitors all of your energy usage. And ideally, what we should have is Xcel is supposed to provide reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy, and we make the decision on when we use it and what we pay for. That’s the way it’s supposed to work. But that’s not the way it is working right now. Let’s get through some of these headlines. And this first one absolutely breaks my heart. This is from U.S. News and World Report. And it says the 10 most dangerous states in America. And it is unbelievable, but Colorado is number two in this lineup. And it says violent crime per crime rate is 470 per 100,000 people. Property crime rate is 2,879 per 100,000 people. And Colorado is number two, right behind New Mexico. And right behind Colorado is Louisiana. I wonder, I just can’t believe that this has happened before. to this beautiful state that I love, but it’s because of these progressive policies. It’s because of the elections, the results of these elections. And we’re going to be talking tomorrow with Mark Cook, who is a cybersecurity expert, regarding this information that’s been uncovered regarding the cast vote record changes in Arapahoe County, Colorado. And as I’ve looked at this and as you all know, I watch this pretty extensively and I’m concerned that people have gotten just tired of all of this conversations about elections and in doing so are are not going to be pushing elections. to get the action that we need. And I think what we need is Pam Bondi to look into this. And I think that we need to see who was behind this. And I think criminal charges need to be filed on this. So stay tuned. That will happen tomorrow and then on Friday we’ll be talking with Walter Doherty, I think it’s Friday, also regarding the Arapahoe County CASFOS record change, which is important that we take a look at that. Some other headlines. Lauren Boebert and Gabe Evans, congresswoman and congressman from Colorado, are touting the benefits of the big, beautiful bill. And it says that they’re defending Trump’s tax cuts and the spending bill. And I love the tax cuts. I’m still very concerned about the amount of money. That we are spending here. And so I am concerned about that. I’ve not looked in depth to this big, beautiful bill. But it says, Gabe Evans said, there’s a lot of good in this bill. Unfortunately, that good is being lost because a lot of blatant fear mongering is occurring around the bill. And one of the fear-mongering things is that Medicaid is being cut. And Evans explained that Medicaid is not being cut, but waste, fraud, abuse, improper payments, that is what we are eliminating. And absolutely, that’s what needs to happen. And that was by Lauren Boebert. So there’s that. Next thing, this began yesterday here in Denver. And this is from Colorado Politics. And this is the trial, Mike Lindell, a defamation trial where he was, it says, my pillow CEO, Mike Lindell, has decided to take the stand in his own defense in what the staunch MAGA supporter has coined the trial of the century. And the trial started yesterday morning with jury selection at Denver’s Alfred A. Araj United States Courthouse. Opening statements are expected to be 30 minutes long. And they expect this to be a two-week trial. The judge on this is Nina Wang, and this is from a defamation lawsuit filed in 2022 by Eric Coomer, a former Dominion Voting Systems employee who alleges that Lindell accused him of rigging the 2020 election against President Trump during an Antifa conference call. Says Lindell, who wants to see an end to the voting machines in favor of paper ballots in U.S. elections, told Rolling Stone that he’s a former crack addict who has nothing to hide. And Coomer, a Colorado resident who handled election security, said, for Dominion is suing Lindell and two of his companies, MyPillow Inc. and Frank Speech LLC, which is now known as Lindell TV, for an undisclosed amount of money for allegedly ruining his reputation and causing him emotional distress when he claimed that Coomer threw the 2020 election. So stay tuned. We’ll be watching what’s happening with that trial as well. And then the last thing, denver i cannot believe this but denver the city council approves 812 million dollars for hotel housing and horses at the national westerns and this is going to be paid for from tourism fees so of course this is getting around to tabor colorado’s taxpayers bill of rights And I think the city of Denver needs to be focusing on making Denver safer versus spending a whole bunch more money. And so we will continue the discussions. And we’ve got a great show planned for you. And this happens because of our great sponsors and the Roger Maggett State Farm Insurance team. knows that life can be challenging, but they think that they can help you with your insurance coverage to make sure that you have what you need. If you bundle your insurance together, you might be able to save some money. And to find out, give them a call, 303-795-8855 for a complimentary appointment. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mannion team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com. And the text line is 720-605-0647. And financial freedom starts with the right guide. And MidFinancial Strategies is here to help. As an independent firm with over 25 years of experience and the credentials of an accredited investment fiduciary, they offer advice that’s focused on you, not a sales quota. Their strategy-first approach is all about helping you live life on your terms. with clarity, confidence, and control. So call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080. Your path to independent financial confidence. Again, that number is 303-285-3080. And on the line with me is Mike Rolick. He is a citizen activist, a watchdog on a lot that’s happening both at the local county and state level governments here in Colorado. And we want to talk about this House Bill 1313. So, Mike Rolick, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. How are you doing? Good.
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I am doing well, and this is one that we did not take a strong look at at the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. It’s pretty complicated. The sponsors on it are all Democrats, Representative Mandy Lindsey, Senator Kyle Mullica, and Senator Nick Hendrickson. So tell us, what’s going on with this?
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Well, in 2023, as Natalie had talked about last week… They tried to pass a very large bill to give a lot of zoning reforms and a lot of power to the state that got denied. And then it was kind of parsed up. And HB 1313 was one of those pieces where they’re trying to create transit oriented communities and transit oriented developments. They look at the rail stations that would support commuter rail, and they would look at RTD or other bus lines that would support 15 minute service between a set of normal business hours. And if that area falls within one of those definitions, then the density is now forced between 15 to 40 dwelling units per acre. So the city don’t have a whole lot of say anymore. It doesn’t protect the historic districts much either. What the cities can do or the counties can also can do is petition that they don’t have enough water resources to And then they’d have to show a government board that they couldn’t build all this density because of water scarcity. And that’s about it. So the cities have said, well, no, zoning is a matter of local concern as protected by the Colorado Constitution. They have formed a lawsuit. Arvada has joined with Westminster, Lafayette, Glendale, Aurora, and Greenwood Village. And it is looking at basically the home rule laws in the Colorado Constitution and also the power of referendum. It’s pretty interesting stuff, but it’s pretty intricate as well.
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Well, it is, and I’m a bit surprised because some of these jurisdictions that you mentioned, from a political standpoint, they typically have leaned to the left to support what’s happened down at the legislature, I would say. So this is really an interesting development.
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I would actually contend that I saw some notable – elected figures from the local realm in 2024 at the Capitol against these things and in support of their private citizens, which I found to be quite interesting that there was almost a fracturing between the state level and the local level when it came to the, well, both parties possibly, but definitely the Democrat Party where You know, even if Arvada wants density, say, they want to decide where the density goes and where it doesn’t go. So it was actually interesting to see the divergent opinion of saying, well, gosh, even if we want to make a 40 dwelling unit per acre infill development, They wanted the hands-on approach. They want the citizens to be involved. The citizens have the power of the referendum to help change the land development code or say the land development code is no good, that they can do that kind of thing. And they have the power of the Rule 106 lawsuit as well. So they were actually really in favor of more hands-on local control. Even if the density happened in certain places, they didn’t want it forced upon them.
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Yeah, most people, we don’t really like things being forced, although at the local level, then we have seen those in elected office that have used force in that particular arena regarding these transit-oriented developments. So, Mike Rolick, there has been this movement, and even when I was on city council 2012 to 2016, many of these local jurisdictions had really been pushing these transit-orientated developments where people would live in the upper levels of, say, a four- or five-story apartment building and that they would have retail on the bottom. I’m not sure that from an economic standpoint that that’s worked out great up and down the corridor. But I continue to see this doubling down. We have empty trains and people really would like to have their cars. And you’re seeing, again, limiting the number of spots, making it more and more difficult for people to live in these apartment buildings and have a vehicle. And I think the powers that be, they think if they make it really difficult for people to be able to drive their cars, then people are going to give up on their cars. And they want to push the minions into these apartment buildings and ride around on trains and buses and bicycles. And we continue to see that doubling down on that in Colorado, even though I’d say I contend that people don’t want to be forced to do that. Your thoughts?
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I would also agree. The second part of this lawsuit is HB 241304. And that is to limit the city’s ability to command a minimum parking requirement for cars, although they could for bicycles. So the lawsuit here says about 24-13-04, the second part, that would be the parking, prohibits cities from requiring sufficient parking to avoid adverse impacts from dense new development or redevelopment and retrospectively precludes enforcement of parking requirements in existing land use approvals and development agreements. So yeah, the cities, Westminster, Nevada, Lafayette, Glendale, places like that, they say, you know what, there might be areas where even if density fits, we need the parking because we don’t really have effective mass transit. So yeah, no, I would completely agree that this is becoming a real large problem. You know, I like to call it the unparked at this point. You know, you think about people who might work a second shift at a restaurant to make ends meet. Even if you have good bus service until 8 p.m., if the restaurant closes at 10, you do your side work, you clean up, you’re driving home at 11, so what are you forced to park six, seven blocks away and walk that far? You’ve got no carports, you’ve got potential for hail damage, you’ve got potential for break-ins, and if there’s bad characters between your car and your home, you’ve got other dangers there, too.
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Okay, and let’s see, I wanted to just verify that bill number on the parking. I think the 1304 is extension of restitution deadlines. So was that a different year?
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24, 1304. So yeah, it was the same year as 1313 went through. So that might be the discrepancy there.
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Okay, great. Thanks for the clarification on that. No problem. So Mike Rolick, Colorado used to be sold to millennials as a great place to go to enjoy the mountains, to hike, to ski, to snowboard. And by having people live in apartments without a vehicle, how are young people supposed to get up to the mountains to enjoy this Colorado lifestyle that’s been sold to them?
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I don’t know if that’s really thought through. They’ve been talking about the Colorado Mountain Rail. They’re trying to have a rail line that goes from Denver to through Arvada, through Winter Park, and then take the spur that goes all the way to Steamboat and Craig. But still, I question when you get to Steamboat, how do you get around? Are you doing Uber, shared cars, what have you? It’s still, when you’re talking about ski gear and what have you, yeah, they’re going to be quite the problem.
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Well, and you can’t get a family really on a ski train. I looked at some, I think Corey Gaines had an article regarding the ski train, and the ridership was up, but it was so minute that it really, they could give percentages that there were more riders. But compared to people getting to the mountains via their vehicles, I don’t think it was even 1%. So this is really all about control, controlling people’s lifestyles and just control of everyday people. And this whole 15-minute city thing, which the World Economic Forum has said that they want the regular everyday people to only live within 15 minutes of everything that they need. Americans have loved their freedom of mobility, their freedom to go where they want to when they want to. But Colorado is totally doubling down on this control of people’s lives. And they’re doing it, as you mentioned, through the parking restrictions and also the zoning. And you mentioned water. Just think about how much water a multi-story building, apartment building would use versus single-family homes. And so this is another thing. They talk about water all the time, but they only use water when they want to try to control people’s lives. And gosh, what do you see as the end game on all this, Mike Rolick?
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Well, it is interesting. The end game is, I believe, local control in these matters is better. It is in the It is more to our freedom to be able to talk to our local elected representatives about a specific property instead of about a top-down control. So I would ask that even if you’re not in Westminster, Nevada, Lafayette, Glendale, Greenwood Village, and Aurora, that you maybe write a letter of support or call on them and say, thanks for taking this brave move. There is action to take. ask these cities to withdraw as well, and it’s coming from the YIMBY movement. So this is not just them making a decision at the city level and then everybody supporting it. There’s a lot of opposition towards this lawsuit for HB 1313 and 1304.
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Okay, and those were passed in 2024, correct?
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Yeah, and the YIMBY movement being the Yes in My Backyard movement.
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Okay. Mike Rolick, thank you for keeping us so informed on things that are happening, not only down at the state capitol, but on the local level as well. And we’ve got to understand this. We’ve got to push back on these 15-minute cities. And they are doubling down on this. And I’m glad that some of these jurisdictions are stepping forward to file lawsuits against this. So thanks again, Mike Rolick. And these are very important discussions. And we have all of them because of our sponsors. And We’re all about freedom. If people want to live in an apartment building, again, it has to be from an economic standpoint. These apartment buildings, many of them have been subsidized through a variety of different either state or local governments. And it could be streamlining permitting. It could be favorable financing from the federal government. And that is not the way it’s supposed to be. Government is not supposed to be picking winners and losers. If things can stand on their own two feet from an economic standpoint, that’s great. But we need to make sure that we are not treating people differently, that we are treating them equally. And this whole housing thing is has been really pushed is really they’re doubling down on this on these 15 minute cities. And we have to really push back on that. And one of the things is home ownership. And people, I think, still would like to have their own home. And it should be a free choice to be able to do that. And if you’re going to buy or sell a home, you want to have Karen Levine on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Father’s Day is right around the corner, and a great gift would be to buy a brick that will be on one of the pathways of service at the USMC Memorial, which is located right here in Golden. And you’ll receive a beautiful certificate that your father or your husband can actually put out, display, to honor their military service. So to get more information about that, go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And there is a question that is going to be, well, it is a ballot question that is a special election. Ballots were mailed yesterday. The election is due on June 24th and it’s regarding whether or not Douglas County should become a home rule county. And I like to have both sides of the issue. And we had Commissioner George Thiel on a week or so ago, who is a proponent of this. And David Iyer was against the question. And former County Commissioner Laura Thomas reached out and said there were things that she’d like to clarify here. And so she’s on the line. I did offer to Commissioner Teal to have him on again, but they are at their big county commissioner annual meeting. So, Laura Thomas, welcome to the show.
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Thank you, Kim, for this opportunity to be on. I think it’s important to set the record straight and for people to understand the truth about this election that’s going to happen in three short weeks. So, again, thank you for this opportunity.
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Well, and as I was just talking with Mike Rolick regarding some of these home rule municipalities suing the state of Colorado regarding parking, forced parking minimums or maximums, and also density, that sounds somewhat attractive to have home rule. So is there a difference between municipalities and counties and home rule?
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Thank you for bringing that up, Kim. You’re absolutely right. There is a huge difference between what a municipal home rule is and what a county home rule is. And I think that’s reflective in the numbers in that almost every single municipality in the state of Colorado is home rule. Yet out of 64 counties in the state, only two counties that are just counties are home rule. And people always say, well, Broomfield and Denver are home rule. They are because they are cities. And they get to enjoy the differences that a municipality enjoys over what a county does. So when it comes to home rule, the only thing that a county can do is change the structure of their government. And when you get your ballot, question 1A is specifically going to say, Do you want to study the structure and organization of your county? It’s not going to say, do you want to pick, like a cafeteria, what state laws you want to just not follow?
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Okay, and I’ve received some flyers in the mail indicating that if Douglas County became home rule, that Douglas County could push back on many of the onerous pieces of legislation that were passed down at the Statehouse. So what’s your thoughts on that?
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So are you talking about the 10-1⁄2 by 12-inch green and white flyer that lists four things? One of them is shield against government overreach.
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Yes.
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s just a bold face like him. There are no state laws that we are going to push back on. And in fact, I stayed up last night and did a newsletter to specifically point out that there was a bill involving immigration that the governor signed just two weeks ago. It’s Senate Bill 25276. And in this bill, they have specifically written in that a county includes home rule counties and municipalities include home rule municipalities. So the legislature has been watching what’s been going on here in Douglas County, and now they are specifically enumerating in these bills that these bills include home rule counties. So here’s what’s going to happen, Kim. If this passes, We’re working hard to make sure this does not pass because this has been dumped on the voters with not enough time to understand what it means. But should it pass, 21 people are going to be elected to write the charter. And so a majority of that is 11. So 11 people will be writing the charter that will be our government going into the future. And they can write things and they’re like, we are not going to follow any immigration laws. We are not going to follow any gun control laws. And we are going to end up in court battle after court battle after court battle because home rule does not allow us to pick and choose what state laws we want to follow. So that’s just a bold-faced lie. I have been challenging people on Facebook, in person, please tell me one law here that we can opt out of. Just one. Just give me one. And even Weld County that we’re told all the time, this is a great home rule county. In the newsletter I did last night, I included a Facebook post that the sheriff put in about a law that goes into effect July 1st that is about what you need to do now to get your concealed carry permits. So even in Weld County, they are following all these gun control laws because they cannot opt out of state laws.
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But it seems to me that Douglas County has stood against and was very creative regarding the sanctuary city policies, if I remember right. It was something regarding if a bus came to Douglas County that was unscheduled, that Douglas County would say, no, you can’t have people disembark or something. So there were some creative things that I thought occurred at Douglas County.
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And I was part of the commission when we approved that law. And there was no state law that we were superseding by doing that. We were saying that if a bus just comes in and drops off a bunch of people, that’s going to be a crime here in Douglas County. So that was something we could do that did not supersede a state law.
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Okay. Now, I’m looking at apparently there’s 47 things that a home rule county can do. And so let’s talk a little bit about that. And And because I’m a little concerned, one of the things that people have mentioned that may be an issue that may be coming up is water. So let’s talk a little bit about water.
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Okay, so you were talking about state law 30-35-201. And let’s just scroll down on that lot to number 18. Number 18 says counties may purchase water rights. To purchase water and water rights for the purpose of supplying counties and the inhabitants thereof with water, when deemed necessary and proper, the governing body of a county may purchase and hold the lands with which said water rights is connected or whether the same is within or beyond the corporate limits thereof. And so I have heard Kevin Van Winkle, a county commissioner, say over and over, nothing that we are doing here applies outside the boundary lines of Douglas County. Well, let’s read number 18 that I just talked about. What this would allow the county commissioners to do is to buy land with water rights outside of the boundary lines of Douglas County. If we scroll down to number 28 of that same law, it says to supply water from their water systems to consumers outside of the county and to collect thereof such charges upon such conditions and upon such limitations as the county may impose by ordinance. So what I just read says that Douglas County could supply water to outside consumers. Douglas County has no water customers at this time. But these things that are hidden in here will absolutely give the county commissioners the ability to play in the water arena. I have heard George Thiel on another radio station say that this would allow the county commissioners to consolidate water in Douglas County and the commissioners would be able to help other districts that are struggling with water right now. This is just not authority. At this point, I think we want to be giving our county commissioners without a lot more study to understand exactly what this means. And when you talk about water, you need to consider how much it costs. And it’s M with millions and B with billions that we’re talking about. The county budget right now is about $600 million with an M.
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Well, so Laura Thomas, let’s go to break. I’m talking with former Douglas County Commissioner Laura Thomas. We’re talking about this home rule question. And I like to be fair and show both sides. And we had Commissioner Thiel on a little over a week ago. And so I want to really delve into this. I think I’m well, we’ll talk about it when we come back. These are such important discussions and they happen because of our sponsors. If you’ve been injured, you want to reach out to John Bozen and Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the Center for American Values. They are located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk, focused on these foundational principles of America of honor, integrity and patriotism. The center is nonpolitical, nonpartisan, but just focus on those foundational principles and check that out. The website is AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. And on the line with me is former Douglas County Commissioner Laura Thomas. We’re talking about this home rule, a special election, which the ballots were mailed out yesterday. They’re due back on the 24th. And Laura, this came in on the text line. One of our listeners said, if counties can’t opt out of state laws, how can polis opt out of federal laws? I think that’s an excellent question there. Yeah. Laura Thomas, I think what I’m I’m uncomfortable. I’m not sure that I what I think about this home rules question, but I am concerned about the compressed timeline. It seemed like it’s just kind of been sprung upon the people of Douglas County. And I can tell with the mailers that have been sent out, and also my understanding is there’s polling that’s been conducted regarding this question. That means that there is money behind this. So I’m concerned about the compressed timeline, and I guess that’s one of my main concerns on it, Laura Thomas.
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I think you’re very wise to be concerned about this because we have evidence that the commissioners were meeting behind closed doors for a couple of months before they sprung this home rule ballot question on the voters on March 25th. And we have evidence that there are mail pieces and other literature coming out that we know the commissioners were working on a week before we even knew what was going on. So this was carefully planned. It’s well financed. There are three different committees all called yes on local control. One is a C4 that we will never know who the donors are. One is an independent expenditure committee that is supporting the 21 handpicked candidates for the commission. And the donors for that will not be known to the public until November 3rd. Today is the reporting day for the third yes on local control committee. So by midnight tonight, we may know who some of the donors are. It’s possible that they will just transfer money from the C4 into this fund. So, again, we might not know who is funding this. But this slick mailer that we got last week, depending on how many people it went to, it’s very, very expensive, having done mail myself for 10 years.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and why the hurry? I think that is reasonable people are saying now, why the hurry on this? And it does cost money to conduct a special election.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s going to cost the taxpayers $500,000 because the commissioners rushed to put this on a ballot this month. And look, it’s June. Kids are getting out of school. People are going on vacation. People are not paying attention to this, so this is going to be a low voter turnout. It just appears to me, having been doing politics and campaigns actually for 20 years I’ve been involved in this, this was carefully managed and maneuvered from my position to get this through very quickly. And I think what happened is last week, this is part of it, Last week, the commissioners went to the school board and said things like, under home rule, we can take over all of the school parcels that have been set aside by developers. And Abe Layden indicated that he wants to put entryway technology, metal detectors in all the schools at the expense of the school district. And so now a lot of the teachers and the school foundations, the community that’s involved in the schools, have gotten very riled up. And they are coming out hard against this. You also talked about polling. There was a survey that went out by text that had 25 different questions. And I think that we are going to see literature coming out that focuses on what that survey told people. But the shining star in all of this is the county itself did a poll. Every two years, the commissioners pay a scientific company to do polling, and they put a question on there about home rule. And this month, 54% of the people taking that survey said they were opposed to home rule. Only 44% support it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, now this question came in on the text line. It says, if a home rule municipality in a home rule county… can bargain for more water for that district, wouldn’t that be a good thing? Because water is so important.
SPEAKER 06 :
And so who is going to pay for that water, Kim? In Douglas County right now, we are set up with many districts, like Castle Rock Water, Parker Water, Highlands Ranch Water. And these districts have been in place for 40, 45 years. They have sold bonds, and the rate payers who are using that water are paying for that. If we move that over to a county commissioner responsibility, the cost is going to go with that. And I’m not sure that that is the role of county government to be supplying water when we have districts that are set up to do water with elected boards to oversee that already. I guess what I’m saying, Kim, is what’s broken.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and, okay, now, and water in the west, and this is a much bigger issue, and I’ve had Greg Walter on, we’ve talked about it, and the water compact of the upper basin states having to send water down the Colorado to the lower basin states. And California, I think, has a whole bunch of water on their western seaboard, that I think if they got serious about desalination of water, that would reduce demands all the way up to Colorado. And I think that we need to have people that are looking at bigger and bigger solutions to water versus just maybe purchasing water from rural Colorado to… to supply these needs, which these needs also, these apartment buildings are being really pushed upon the people of Colorado via, as we talked with Mike Rollick in the previous hour or previous segment regarding this insatiable desire by PBIs, politicians and bureaucrats and interests of parties to get regular people into these rental apartment units. And And those units use a lot of water, Laura Thomas.
SPEAKER 06 :
And so, Kim, that is why we need to really let our water districts do what they do best. I would suggest that you have Merlin Klotz on from the Parker Water and Sanitation District to talk about a fabulous project that they are working on right now. They’ve been working on it for years with the Platte Valley up in Logan County. There is more water leaving the state of Colorado and the Platte River going into Nebraska than is required by compact. And so Parker Water is going to build another reservoir in Logan County so that that excess water gets stored in that reservoir. Parker Water already bought water rights from Logan County farmers over 20 years ago. That way the water can come here that Parker Water bought from the farmers and then the farmers can use the water from that reservoir, that excess water, for their crops. The farmers are partnering with Parker Water on this, and this is another reason, Kim, why county commissioners should not get involved in the water business. Let the water people that do water and do it well keep doing it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. We have a minute left, Laura Thomas. And the question on the ballot will be, should Douglas County become a home rule county? And then people would be electing these different commissioners to write the charter. And either way, people need to vote for these people. And I know a number of the names on those people that I respect, but I still am just very concerned with the compressed timeline on this. I think a lot of people want more information. Your final thought on this, Commissioner Thomas. Thank you, Kim.
SPEAKER 06 :
My final thought is we do not know enough about this to put the future of our county at risk. Just like you’ve said, Kim, not enough time. I urge everyone to vote no on this. And do not vote for anybody that is a puppet who has been chosen by the commissioners because it only is going to take 11 people to write the future of our county. I am running for a charter commission position in Highlands Ranch because I know how government works. But again, I’m asking everyone, please vote no on home rule for Douglas County.
SPEAKER 03 :
OK, Laura Thomas, thank you so much. And again, I really appreciate you sharing your perspective on this home rule ballot question that is before the voters of Douglas County. You should be receiving your ballot any day. So, Laura Thomas, thank you so much. Thank you for all you do, Kim. Thank you. And we really do want to kick the tires on these ideas and get to the real focus on it. So hopefully this will be helpful regarding this question that is facing the voters of Douglas County. Our quote for the end of the show, I went to Satchel Paige, and I’ve heard this before, I did not realize that it was attributed to him. But he said this, he said, age is a case of mind over matter. If you don’t mind, it don’t matter. And so my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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SPEAKER 14 :
Good morning, Kim. Yeah, terrible to hear stuff like that. Colorado, unfortunately, seems to be climbing a lot of unsavory topics and ranking high and bad stuff.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and gosh, John, the state that I loved, I moved here because I just loved the idea of Colorado. But because of all of these terrible policies, it’s become a very dangerous place. And then we have the state legislature that is making it more difficult for everyday people to keep and bear firearms to protect themselves against these bad actors. So everyday people are getting just squeezed in a lot of different ways here in Colorado, John.
SPEAKER 14 :
They are. I’ve been out here in Colorado since 89. And so, I mean, I’ve seen it change, but it’s you know, it’s a. I’ve talked to folks that don’t come to Colorado very often, come out maybe once a year, once every other year, and they really, really have noticed the decline because they don’t see it. You know, it’s not the gradual. They come back a year, two years, and it’s starkly different in downtown Denver or other places. And it’s very disappointing, but… I know you, Kim, and I and many others have vowed to stay here, not accept defeat and leave the state and continue to fight for what we love.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and it’s a state worth saving and reclaiming. But with all of this crime, one of the things that, and I see on a regular basis, is a car on the highway that may have kind of blacked out windows and no license plate. And I thought that you had to make sure your car was licensed here in Colorado and that you were supposed to have… insurance. But that would indicate to me that there’s some bad actors that are out on our highways right now, John Bozen. And if you get hit by one of those bad actors, it’s a problem, isn’t it?
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Yeah, folks are supposed to follow the law, have insurance coverage, not have their windows tinted so much that you can’t shine a flashlight through. But we know good people follow the laws. There’s a lot of bad actors out there driving salvaged vehicles, vehicles that have no title, stolen vehicles. They obviously don’t have insurance coverage on the car, and they don’t have insurance coverage for themselves when they’re out there driving around. And these are the folks, I don’t have statistics on this, but a higher percentage of people driving without any insurance are the ones causing the accident. I know it because I talk to lots of people. I don’t have statistics on that. But if you get hit by one of these folks, you’re not going to have any insurance coverage on the other side. So the only way you are going to have any kind of recourse or remedy or get compensated for what that other driver did to you, not just your vehicle, but if you suffered injuries, is if you have on your own auto insurance policy uninsured motorist coverage. And so many people are unaware of whether they do or they don’t have it. So, again, I encourage listeners to contact your insurance agent or contact the insurance company and make sure you have uninsured, underinsured motorist coverage on your own vehicle. So in the event you get hit by one of these folks, Bad actors that don’t have any insurance coverage shouldn’t not be on the road. You’ve got coverage under your own policy that will protect you, that will provide for your medical bills, will provide for your lost wages when you can’t work, will cover you in the event you get hit by someone that should not be on the road and doesn’t have any insurance coverage.
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Okay. Well, that is really good advice, John Bozen. If someone has been injured, they should give you and your team of attorneys at Bozen Law a call for a complimentary appointment just to go through what has happened. What’s that best number to reach you?
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That number for a free conversation, consultation with me or one of our other senior lawyers is 303-999-9999. I encourage folks, please don’t wait nothing good happens by putting that phone call off. And if it’s a loved one or neighbor, coworker, push them hard. Give me a call. Time is of the essence to do a lot of things on the front end of a situation. So 303-999-9999 is the number to call.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Well, John Bozen, thank you so much. And we’ll talk again next week.
SPEAKER 14 :
Thank you, Kim. Have a great rest of your show.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. And did want to mention Mint Financial Strategies. You’ve got big dreams for your future, but not sure how to get there. Call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. They know your financial life is unique and as an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, they build personalized strategies that put your freedom and goals first. No sales pressure, no one-size-fits-all approach, just thoughtful guidance built around you. Take that first step toward your future. Call Mint Financial Strategies at 303-285-3080 for that complimentary appointment. Again, 303-285-3080. And pleased to have on the line with me the executive producer of Titanic, an immersive, let’s see, I have it right here, an immersive voyage. John Zoller, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 12 :
Thanks, Kim. Glad to be on talking about Titanic and Immersive Voyage with my favorite radio host in America.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you so much. And John, we had you on right around when it opened, the first part of May. But I wanted to have a conversation again about this. Now that the kids are out of school, this is a pretty creative experience for kids to have. So let’s talk about this Titanic and immersive voyage. And let’s go through the history for people that did not hear that particular interview before. The Titanic was at the bottom of the ocean for a while, right?
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That’s right. So Titanic sank in 1912 and was discovered 73 years later in 1985 by Dr. Robert Ballard. We’re celebrating the 40th anniversary of his discovery of the wreck on September 1st of 1985. And it was an incredible story. He actually was on a special top secret Navy mission to discover, to find two sunken nuclear subs that before the Russians could find them during the Cold War. And he managed to do that with special equipment that he developed along with the Navy, was able to redirect his focus then the last couple of days of the mission to go and find the Titanic. And in the last day of his mission, when they had one day left with all the funding and everything, they started to find these pieces of non-organic material on the ocean floor, followed a trail, which essentially was part of the Titanic’s debris field, up to what they then discovered as the bow of the ship, sitting in its final resting place two and a half miles beneath the surface of the ocean.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow, two and a half miles. That’s pretty darn deep. Yeah. And so how did you get so interested in the Titanic, John Zoller?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I’ve always really enjoyed storytelling for my entire life and was fascinated by Titanic ever since I read Walter Lord’s Night to Remember when I was in eighth grade. Um, and then I was, I was fortunate enough to have an opportunity about 25 years ago to work on a traveling exhibition that was created using artifacts recovered from the wreck set of the Titanic. And from that time, I’ve just continued to create new Titanic experiences. And the fascination really continues to feed, um, to, to, to feed me and to reveal itself because I, The more you get into the Titanic story, the more and more you see there is to learn. The more that hasn’t been discovered is now being discovered. But then there’s so much to learn, not only from a factual standpoint, but also just from a moral standpoint, an ethical standpoint, and just important life lessons that can come out of the Titanic story.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, as I was preparing for our interview today, I was just looking for some different quotes. And there was a quote regarding that as the Titanic went down, just that the quiet then that occurred and also the… the sounds of people that were losing their lives because of drowning. It kind of stopped me in my tracks, John Soller, as I just thought about that. And of course, the water was so cold as well for the people that survived.
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It’s a really powerful part of the story that doesn’t get a lot of attention, probably because it is such a difficult subject to engage with. But When you hear the interviews of survivors, those who will talk about that night who made it out, they say, I will never forget. I mean, all these survivors have perished now, but in those interviews they said, I will never forget the sounds of those poor people calling for help, the screams. I’ll never forget the screams. And, you know, right now, Kim, I’m in the Titanic exhibit sitting in the replica lifeboat that we created. And this lifeboat is a full-scale lifeboat that you sit in in the immersive gallery, in the experience, and where you actually witness the Titanic going down by the head and her wireless messages going out. And there’s nothing you can do about it because the ship’s out there on this massive screen going down. You see the wireless messages coming out. You’re sitting in a lifeboat just like those survivors did. and there’s nothing you can do about it. And that connection to the passengers is so powerful at that point that it’s one of the very, very special parts of the experience.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, John Soller, where is this immersive voyage? Where can people find it?
SPEAKER 12 :
So we’re at 3900 Eladi Street, which was the home to the Van Gogh immersive experience. Bubble Planet was there, and now Titanic’s there. We’re open every day except for Tuesday, and you can get your tickets at expo-titanic.com. We also have great educational packages. You were talking about things to do for kids. There’s great opportunities for summer camps, and then also we’ll be in Denver through the fall, so there’s a great opportunity for school groups to come in when school’s back in as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
And as young people, what do you think is maybe their first takeaway after taking part of the immersive voyage?
SPEAKER 12 :
So I was recently walking through the galleries in Denver, and at the very end of the experience, as I mentioned, we feature the Marconigrams that Titanic was sending out, the Marconi wireless messages. And so that Marconi theme, that theme, very identifiable piece of paper that is a written wireless message. We use that a lot of places. And at the end of the experience, we ask guests to write their own Marconi message. And we get the most incredible messages from kids who, some of them draw pictures of the Titanic, really nice, you know, really nice illustrations of the Titanic. Other ones though, you know, eight years old, six years old, 10 years old, say, I really connected with my passenger or the people on the ship were so important or I’m so sorry that you all lost your lives. May you rest in peace. So there’s an incredible emotional connection between kids and this story. And we’ve created it in a way that it is accessible. It’s not, you know, as we talked about, you’re not hearing the screams, but you’re able to put yourself in those powerful moments. moral decision-making moments or those powerful emotional moments where families are being separated in a way that kids can relate to and really respond very positively to in a very powerful way. Like they get the story, they get the message. And they also, you know, so the emotional connection strong, but then you have a lot of, a lot of young people who are first fascinated with dinosaurs. I think I mentioned this last time we talked, You’re fascinated with dinosaurs, and then you’re fascinated with Titanic. And it’s all the facts that go into Titanic. Titanic was an engineering marvel. There were over 3 million rivets in the ship. There were all these different complex technologies being put to use for the first time. So some young people really get drilled down on all those facts. And we offer so many opportunities for them to engage with those facts throughout the experience as well. All those stories of Titanic’s majesty as an engineering marvel. So you have both the emotional connection and really the science and technology connection that is really, really kids grasp onto.
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Well, and you mentioned the moral questions regarding Titanic. And I was, again, was reading some different things, looking for some different quotes. And there was a guy that said that he was in the water and he tried to get onto a lifeboat and somebody hit him on the head with an oar. So he swam around to the other side and was able to get on the lifeboat. But that was, if too many people got on those lifeboats, they would have capsized as well. So there were a lot of moral questions that had to be made immediately, which have to be so difficult, John Zoller.
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I mean, the toughest decisions you’re ever going to make. And, you know, from the women and children first aspect of loading the lifeboats, I mean, we can go all the way back to the design decision that White Star Line made when they reduced the number of lifeboats on board the ship. So Titanic could have held 64 lifeboats in her davits, and that would have supported more than double the capacity of the people that were on a fully loaded ship. But instead, they reduced that to 20 total lifeboats available so that the boat deck didn’t feel as crowded. Now we get into the ocean, and Titanic’s an unsinkable ship, so we have that hubris factor, that overconfidence in our ability to conquer nature. And then Titanic is sinking. Because, fortunately, Titanic wasn’t fully sold out, there were enough lifeboats for about 50% of the people on board. But now we’ve got the decision to make who gets into those lifeboats. And the rule of the sea was women and children first. which was interpreted differently by the officers loading the lifeboats on Titanic’s port side or her starboard side. On the port side, they held very strictly to the rule of women and children only. On the starboard side, they allowed men and boys to board if there were no other women and children in the immediate area. So then we’re in the lifeboat. Some lifeboats left with as few as 12 people. And their orders when they left were go back and pick up others in the water. But once they got in that lifeboat, they had their own security. They were terrified they were going to get swamped and overturned. And, you know, it’s a lesson that can be extrapolated to so many circumstances we’re going through today as well. The conversation that emanates from this little lifeboat that I’m sitting in right now It has global ramifications for how we’re looking at the world today. So it’s a great kind of flashpoint or starting point for so many conversations, and it also is a real moral reflection. What would I have done? How would I have responded? And then would I have been able to live with the consequences of those choices?
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Those are such huge questions. I’m talking with the executive producer of Titanic and Immersive Voyage, John Soller. We’re going to continue this discussion. And this is at 3900 Elati right now. And this is a great thing to do this summer. So we will continue these discussions. And all of this happens because of our sponsors. And one of those is the Second Syndicate.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. And we are talking with John Zoller, who is the executive producer of Titanic and Immersive Voyage, which is a great thing to do this summer with the kids. Also, I’d recommend that you put the kids in the car and head down to Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk and visit the Center for American Values. so that you can see their Portraits of Valor, which is portraits of over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients. And these recipients received that highest military honor because they took action and saved lives when the situation presented itself. And so for more information about that, go to AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. and that John Zoller is on the line and Teresa Irby who is our partnership sponsorship liaison. Actually, John, she and her daughter have visited Titanic and Immersive Voyage. Teresa, welcome to the show. Good morning. Good morning, John.
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Good morning, Kim. I absolutely want to first say, yes, please make sure to visit the Center for American Values. However, My daughter, 14 years old, and her best friend, 14 years old, and myself did go and visit the exhibit. And I was so thoroughly impressed, John. So, Kim, first of all, you get there and they give you your White Star boarding pass. So you actually become a person that boarded the Titanic during your tour. So you’re going through and you’re carrying your pass. I was Catherine Katie Peters. And so she was a third-class passenger. I mean, the extent that they went through on this experience, I was so impressed. My 14-year-old daughter and her 14-year-old friend cannot stop raving about it. They absolutely loved it. When John was talking earlier about the part of the exhibit where you’re sitting in the lifeboat, I will tell you that I actually had tears running down my cheek. The experience was so real and came to life. Some of my other favorites, being able to actually experience being in the crow’s nest. I don’t want to give everything away, but I will tell you, if you make the trek down there, and it’s so easy and it’s just so well done, great for all ages, whether you are a senior down to an elementary school, it is absolutely done so well. And I have to put a plug in there. Do the extra VR experience. even if you’ve never experienced VR before, especially if you have it. Absolutely incredible.
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Well, John Zoller, thank you, Teresa Irby. I think that that’s a great comment regarding this immersive voyage. And so your thoughts on that, John?
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Well, I mean, that’s the… we love to hear from our guests who visit the experience. I think to Teresa’s point about sitting in that lifeboat with tears running down her face, that’s that inevitable moment when you realize there’s nothing you can do about what’s happening out there in front of you. We take so much action in our lives, we have so much agency, but you get in these moments where, like in the Titanic, there was nothing that could be done And that moment really comes home. I do think also to Teresa’s point, the exhibit is incredibly well done overall. And so as you go through the experience and you’re learning and you’re connecting, you develop this more and more powerful emotional connection to the overall story that comes out in this final feeling that you had an experience. And In our lives today, we’re always looking for these experiences, these important experiences, and these important lessons, and Titanic and Immersive Voyage really can deliver on that. The other thing that I’m so glad she mentioned is the virtual reality, which I think we talked about before, Kim, but going back to the discovery of the wreck, you actually dive to the wreck of the Titanic, and you see that wreck better through the magic of virtual reality. and if you actually dove in a submersible to that depth, because if you dive to that depth, you’re looking through a 12-inch diameter porthole. That’s all you can see. But through the magic of virtual reality, you’re standing on an open ocean platform, and you can study the entire front section of the wreck in great detail. And it’s at the end of the experience, and so you’ve gone through this whole emotional connection, and now you’re at the wreck site sort of reliving Titanic’s final moments in a really powerful way.
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Well, and from a historical standpoint, the Titanic was not the only ship out there that night, right?
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No, that’s right. There were actually seven other ships that were around Titanic, and possibly eight. So the Californian was a ship that was between 20 and 40 nautical miles away, probably closer to 20. It easily could have… gone and rescued the majority of those people that were in the water. But they had turned off their wireless messaging system because there was no regulation at the time to keep them on. And they saw the Titanic’s rockets going off, but they thought it was just the rich people on Titanic having a party. So they didn’t respond. There was also potentially an illegal whaling or sealing ship called the Samson that was even closer, but they didn’t want to respond because they didn’t want to get caught for illegally harvesting those sea animals. So those are two of the ships that were closest by. The Carpathia, however, which is one of the passengers in the Denver exhibit wrote a note that said, O to be Carpathia and not the iceberg, which is just an incredible message that they wrote because Carpathia responded to the call. They were on the other side of an ice field. They sailed essentially weaving through icebergs over four hours to get to Titanic and were able to rescue those 715 passengers who were able to make it into lifeboats. And Captain Arthur Rostrand is just a symbol of heroism to this day for that reason. You know, without Carpathia, there’d be no Titanic story to tell.
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Well, and these ice fields, if the Carpathia was able to navigate through those, how is it that the Titanic was not able to do so?
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So, you know, there’s a few things there. The first one is that Captain Smith, who was the captain of the Titanic, had sailed the North Atlantic for 35 years. He had received ice warnings throughout the day. And being so comfortable in the North Atlantic, he readjusted his course thinking, well, we’re going to go so far south that no iceberg has ever made it this far before. And in our last Last time we talked, Kim, we talked about the Greek tragedy alignment with Titanic, that it’s like a Greek tragedy. And lo and behold, this year, the currents were so cold that the iceberg, the ice field did descend beyond into that exact path of travel. And that’s where that fateful iceberg met Titanic. The other thing is that Captain Smith probably was overconfident in his ship and in his abilities because other ships had stopped throughout the night and said, we’re not going to sail on until we know for sure that we can get through this ice field. Carpathia, Captain Arthur Rostron asked later in his life, how did you get through that ice field? His answer was a very religious man. He said, someone other than me had their hand on the helm that night. That’s how we got there. So it’s all of these incredible stories that come out based around the Titanic that continue to draw us back to it time and time again.
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And then let’s go back to Teresa. She said that every guest that comes to Titanic and Immersive Voyage, they are given a boarding pass. They become somebody. And so you went through and researched all these people out? Is that what happened? Yes.
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We did. So there’s several hundred passengers, men and women, that we researched. And you actually get a boarding pass. On that boarding pass, we tell you, you know, who your passenger is, where they’re from, what class they’re in. And we give you a little bit of the story of how they got to be on board Titanic. So some people were out, you know, some wealthy first-class passengers had been out exploring Titanic. the Far East and made it back through France and joined Titanic to be on her maiden voyage. Some people were transferred to Titanic because of the coal strike that was going out at the time. Some people had been visiting family and coming back. So you learn these little pieces and we connect you to the passenger that way. Then as you go through the exhibit, there are these kiosks, these digital kiosks, where you can go to and you can learn more about your passenger. So as you’re standing in the passenger gallery, you can read more about your passenger, so what they did on board the ship, or more about why they had been overseas or why they were coming to America. And then in the memorial gallery, where you find out the fate of your passenger, we also, on one of these digital kiosks, give you more information about either your passengers’ final moments or what they did to survive and what they did afterwards. So you really can drill down with these passengers in terms of really connecting with them in a very powerful way.
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Well, and then lastly, John Zoller, Denver has a connection to Titanic through Molly Brown. And you’ve got a kind of a partnership with the Molly Brown House as well, which, again, is another great thing for people to do with their students, their kids this summer, is to visit the Molly Brown House as well.
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That’s right. And Molly Brown really became, she really is the Titanic story and particularly for Denver, but just in general, Molly Brown, such a charismatic figure, you know, recently had come into quite a bit of wealth, but always someone who worked hard, who looked out for those less fortunate than her and on the Titanic was certainly enjoying all the trappings of luxury. She was traveling as a first class passenger, having explored, having been traveling through Europe and, boarded it at Cherbourg in France to, you know, essentially to be on this inaugural voyage of the largest ship and most glorious ship that ever set sail. But once she got into that lifeboat, she was the champion that kept all the spirits up, kept everybody warming up so they could survive that night. She actually did want to go back as we talked about earlier and rescue passengers who, who were in the, you know, in the water, but was overruled by, um, Albert Hitchens, who was the quartermaster who was manning that ship. But after she got onto Carpathia, she immediately started a relief fund for those less fortunate than her. By the time she had arrived in New York, she had already raised $10,000, and that amount continued to grow, and that relief fund continued to serve those less fortunate who had lost their husbands who were the breadwinners who had lost their sons and lost their wives, they were then able to support those people through small payments over the course of several years with that fund that she created. She also created a silver cup that she presented to Captain Arthur Rostrand as a token of gratitude and as a recognition of his heroism. So she really celebrated him as well. And that’s part of the reason why we know so much about his story, because he didn’t really advertise himself as having done anything, but she recognized the importance of what he had done. And then throughout the rest of her life, with this new fame she had established as the unsinkable Molly Brown, she continued to push for those causes that were most important for her and were thrilled to be able to display her several of her objects in the experience. And we’re also, you know, we, we really think that if you go to Titanic and immersive voyage, it’s also really important to visit the Molly Brown house, which is only about 15 minutes away from the experience.
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Okay. So, John Zoller, first of all, congratulations on your creativity for Titanic and Immersive Voyage. And people can, well, it’s at the Lighthouse Artspace in Denver, 3900 Elati Street. Tickets can be purchased at expo-titanic.com slash Denver. What’s your final thought that you’d like to leave with our listeners? And again, I’d highly recommend that people take their kids down to the Immersive Voyage and experience this. What’s your final thought, John Saller?
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Well, my final thought, Kim, is I really enjoy talking to you about this subject because of the format of your show and the types of really probing questions that you ask. Our conversation that we’re having today that’s so powerful is one that everybody who comes out of Titanic and Immersive Voyage can have. It creates that kind of emotional connection across the generations between families where you come away with more than a 90-minute experience. You come away with a life lesson that you’ve had together as a family or a couple or a group that will carry on with you for a long, long time. So we really look forward to welcoming everybody to Titanic and Immersive Voyage in Denver this summer.
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And again, tickets are expo-titanic.com forward slash Denver. John Zoller, thank you so much.
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Thank you, Kim.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation’s website. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And a great gift for Father’s Day would be to honor your father or your husband’s military service by purchasing a brick that will be on one of their pathways of service. You’ll receive a beautiful certificate honoring that purchase. And you can get more information about that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. We have on the line with us Action Ann. She’s very well informed and knows about things going on out there. So Action Ann, what is on your radar?
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Well, it’s pencil and paper time, okay? So there’s a showing only one night, okay? So tonight, the 3rd of June, there is going to be the Face of Jesus. And it’s at 7 p.m. It’s only one showing. And you can find that by searching, right, The Face of Jesus. And it’s through Fandango. I know one of the theaters is really near. It starts with an R, but I can’t remember. It’s not Regent. Anyway, so that’s at Indiana and Colfax, essentially. And the second announcement is that LindellTV, L-I-N-D-E-L-L-T-V.com, will have whatever can be shown of the court hearing in Denver of Smartmatic against Mike Lindell for having told the truth about what he, anyway, they call it a slander suit. So anyway, that’s warroom.org or lindelltv.com. And that hearing is going to be for the next week or so. I was at the news release yesterday at the U.S. Judicial Supreme Court, Federal Court at 19th and Tampa. And that was outstanding. Okay. I mean, his press release. Okay. But anyway, it’s LyndellTV, L-I-N-D-E-L-L-T-V.com or warroom.org. Okay?
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Okay. Thank you, Action Ann. She is very well informed on what’s happening out there in Denver. And, again, she said the movie Face of Jesus, you can just do a search for that. And then, yes, this is a very big deal, this trial that’s going on regarding Mike Lindell being accused of defamation by Eric Coomer. And that is occurring as we speak in federal court here in Denver. And they anticipate that that court case will go for a couple of weeks. So stay tuned on that. We say that Colorado is at the tip of the spear. Oh, my gosh, we are with so many different things regarding the pushing of the World Economic Forum with these 15 minute cities up and down these transit corridors. People are not riding the trains, but they are continuing to double down. And the Trump administration. I’ve been thinking a lot about the Trump administration. There is so much that is going on. I wish and I’m so pleased that he is our president and not Kamala Harris. However, though, is I really wish that we would get to a point where we are reducing the size and scope of the federal government. And I think he’s doing some of that, but I just think that there could be more. For example, the money for Harvard that he says that he’s going to no longer fund for Harvard, that he’s going to put that into trade schools, which I love trade schools. However, How about reducing taxes and fees all across the board so everyday people can afford their tuition for these schools instead of having the federal government so involved in all that? Next thing, a lot of comments coming in regarding the Douglas County Home Rule question. from people outside of Douglas County. And I would say that the results are mixed on this, that people like the idea of more control of their counties, although, as Laura Thomas had indicated, that municipal home rule and county home rule are two different things. And where I’m at on this is I… No longer like to see things just totally rushed. I want to understand totally what is going on. And it seems like when we make these rushed decisions, that that’s where we can get ourselves into trouble. And I remember regarding the Patriot Act. after 9-11, it basically was sold to us that this would be to help keep us safe. And that seemed like that made a lot of sense. But next thing I know, well, a few years later, is that we’ve got PBIs that are spying on Americans. And so with this home rule, I think that we need to pump the brakes on it and Question why there’s such a compressed timeline and make sure that the citizens of Douglas County have the opportunity to get all of their questions answered. And so, but again, it’s mixed on all of you commenting on this. Let’s see, this came in from Susan. She said, it seems that home rule is a good idea. It puts a rub between the state government and the local government. She said, I can’t remember the exact issue, but it was helpful to her as a small business owner in Commerce City. But again, that’s municipal and county is different. And so I think that we need to stop and take more time to understand what’s going on. I’m also concerned about who is funding this, there clearly is money behind this, and I would like transparency on that as well, so that we have a clear understanding of that, because when you understand who’s behind it from a money standpoint, you can understand the issues a bit more as well. So I’m not saying that Home Rule’s a bad idea, I just think that it’s being hurried, and typically we never make great decisions when we try to rush things through like that. And so stay tuned on that. Those ballots have gone out for Douglas County residents and they’re due back on the 24th of June. And our quote for the end of the show, I went to Satchel Paige, who was a pitcher in the Major League Baseball. And he said this, he said, age is a case of mind over matter. If you don’t mind, it don’t matter. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals. And, oh, you know what? I’m a little hurt. Thank you, Joe. I got mixed up. I have one more minute left on this. And clock management is always so tricky. So we’ve got a big shows planned for you for the rest of the week. And make sure that you’re signed up for our email newsletters that come out on Sundays so that you’ll get first look at all of our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. We’ll be rolling out an essay by Alicia Garcia regarding issues on our Second Amendment. And then also Brad Beck will be a guest on Thursday. We’ll be rolling out his essay as well. So be sure to stay tuned on all that. And, again, Satchel Paige is our quote for the end of the show. And he was a major league pitcher in both the Negro Baseball League as well as Major League Baseball. And he, again, he said this. He said, age is a case of mind over matter. If you don’t mind, it don’t matter. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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