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Join us on a premiere episode of ‘Drive Radio, The Extra Mile,’ where host John Rush presents an exciting new format. This episode delves into discussions beyond the regular Drive Radio format, focusing on specific automotive topics that require in-depth exploration. Discover how this new segment promises to address automotive queries, offer insights on technical specifics, and enhance your knowledge of the car world.
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This is Drive Radio, The Extra Mile, with your host, John Rush.
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Welcome to our first edition of Drive Radio, The Extra Mile, and we’re going to be doing this on a continual basis each Saturday, starting with one hour, and we hope to be in this three to four slot. That might vary a little bit, so be sure you check in on a routine basis. Not only listen to us on Drive Radio from… 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. every Saturday right here on KLZ 560. But you can also go check out the website, drive-radio.com, drive-radio.com. That’s with a hyphen in the middle. You can always check out what we’ve got going on there as well. And, of course, everything we put on the website, not only what we do here on the Extra Mile, but what we do on a regular basis, all of our recordings, everything that we’ve done for, gosh, a long, long time now. We’ve been doing this for over two decades. Actually, we’re approaching three decades now. in doing this, and this will be a lot of fun. This is going to be a little different segment. This is not live, so if you’re listening to this particular program today, you cannot call in. I guess you can, but there won’t be anybody here to answer phones. Now, what I will tell you is, if you have a specific question you’d like us to answer that even during this extra mile hour, you can always text us, 307- 207-282-22, 307-282-22. That’s the text line. Always send us an email as well. You can do that by going to drive-radio.com. Just click on the Contact Us, fill it out, or send it direct, if that’s easier, john, J-O-H-N, at drive-radio.com. So J-O-H-N, john, at drive-radio.com. You can always reach us that way. Now, one other thing. If there’s certain things you’d like to hear during this particular hour, certain topics that you would like us to spend more time in, we do a lot of things on Drive Radio, but that show is designed to be a call-in show. In other words, we do that for all of you and give people the ability to call in and ask questions, and sometimes that derails a topic, which is fine. That’s what that show is designed to do. It’s a live program designed to be call-in, be very interactive with the callers of course so sometimes we’ll have a particular topic i’ll have a particular topic for that day and we never fully cover it because other things come up which is perfect that’s the way it’s supposed to be in this hour though we’re going to change things up and do things a little bit differently we’re going to concentrate and spend some more time on topics that frankly we may not be able to do in that same manner on drive radio so again if there’s a particular topic you’d like us to cover something that even something technical you know how does a positraction differential work or you know we’ve talked in the past about all-wheel drives and why it’s important to have all the same size tires and we sometimes briefly cover why why that is but we can get into a lot more detail and the technicality of things in this particular hour that, frankly, we’ve not been able to do in the past. So if there’s, again, something in particular you’d like us to cover, by all means let us know. It’s easy on our end to do that. I’ll just start stacking up those topics, and we’ll start going through those on a week-to-week basis. Just so you all know, I typically will do the recordings the week of that Saturday. Sometimes I might work ahead a little bit, but what I’m getting at is if you give us a topic to talk about and I don’t cover it for a couple of weeks, some of that might have been just because of how it fits in on the recording time. And we’ll promo the things that we’re going to talk about week to week so you’ll know, even listening to drive radio from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. here on KLZ 560. If that’s something that, you know, again, if you’re interested in what we’re doing during this hour, and I should also mention, if you’re just hearing us for the first time during this hour, this is Drive Radio the Extra Mile. We do drive radio every Saturday and have, again, for almost three decades. We’re on KLZ 560 right here where you’re hearing this. If you’re listening to a podcast or recording. It’s AM 560 in Denver, Colorado. You can also listen to us live through the KLZ Radio app itself. So if you’re out of the area, out of the state, out of the country even, you can always listen to us on our app. KLZ Radio is how you find us. And again, our call letters are AM 560 KLZ Radio, and that’s where we’re at right now. So again, if you are picking us up in the afternoon on a Saturday and you missed Drive Radio earlier in the morning, We do drive radio live every single Saturday with the exception of just a few around holidays. We do live programs from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m., and that’s a call-in live show, any car problems, anything you want to discuss, news, things along those lines, automotive news, I should say. We try to keep that show very anti-political. In other words, we’re very neutral on that end of things, although a lot of political things do affect the car and the transportation world. And most of you by now know where I stand on all of that. But bottom line, this is Drive Radio the Extra Mile. We’re going to talk about things here that we can’t talk about normally during the program on Saturday. So our next segment, and this will be a little bit of a different segue than normal because this was a recording we had done a few weeks ago. I had great questions from my co-host during the week, Andy Pate. This was on a Tuesday when we did this. And then I actually got a call and really some great questions in regards to EVs, sort of the the good and the bad of EVs. And I had a lot of great questions that we just answered raw. Nothing was pre-done. We just went through and answered each question really point by point. And when you listen to this, you’ll know what I’m talking about. We’ll break this up a little bit because we did that in three different segments. So we’ll break it up accordingly. Now, once that’s all done, I’m going to come back and you’re going to hear me talk about how to buy a new car so tips and tricks on buying a new car and again bear with me normally I’m used to doing things live I’m not much of a pre-recorded kind of an individual I’ve never done that in my entire career on radio everything I’ve ever done has been live I’ve occasionally done some pre-recorded shows but not very often so bear with me doing my best when it comes to this I’m used to having you all there to actually talk to interact with and so on so it’s a little bit different just Doing this on my own, staring at a screen and not having folks to interact with. But I’ll do my best. We’ll get better as the weeks go on. And again, I want to remind everybody, if there’s a particular topic that you would like us to cover, please let us know what that is. And I’ll work that into the schedule in the coming weeks and months and hopefully years ahead. So without further ado, hang tight. We’re going to have that EV interview here in just one moment. And then I’ll come back and we’ll talk about tips and tricks on buying a new car. This is Drive Radio, The Extra Mile. And let me give you really quick one example before Andy and I come back. And this is not a bash. This is just simply educationally speaking. We’ve got our morning host, Kim, and I love Kim Munson dearly, and she interviews a gal on there who is a quote-unquote car expert. Laura is her name. And I like Laura to an extent, although my problem with Laura is she’s really not a car person. She’s kind of a car journalist, but she hasn’t grown up in the industry and been a real car person like I consider myself to be. Now, that’s an area where, yes, I consider myself an expert. When it comes to the car end of things, yeah. I’m an expert, probably as much of an expert as most people out there on any platform are when it comes to knowing the history of, you know, working on them throughout all of these years, running different businesses involved, still coaching in that world and so on. And, of course, having the radio show for the past, you know, 27 years or so, Andy, along those lines. And where I’m going with this is and I love Laura. But she’s way off on the whole EV thing. She’s coming at it completely anti-EV because I get it. Government tried to shove those things down people’s throats. The left was heavy in that. And I understand politically speaking where she’s coming from.
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Really quick here. Let me jump in. But you don’t form your views off the emotional response to what government forced on you.
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No, you do not. You still have to look at it for what it is. Right. It’s a product. And that’s what I’ve done. And that’s why I’ve owned one since 2020. And for example, one of the things that people like Laura will always bring up when it comes to owning an EV is having to wait to charge it and the cost of charging and so on. And again, because she’s not ever owned one, she doesn’t really grasp how that works. The majority of people, mainly, by the way, Tesla owners… you’ll see a lot of Tesla owners go to fast charge stations and charge up because I believe a lot of Tesla owners don’t have the ability at home to do so. They’re a different group of individuals, by the way, that have bought cars. So you almost have to take them out as an outlier because Tesla owners, for the most part, are not typical car owners. And I mean that with utter sincerity. If you own one… Great. Love you. But typically, Tesla owners are not typical car owners and buyers. They even bought the car differently than what you typically do when you go to buy a car because it’s all done online. So they’re their own breed. By and large, most people that own EVs never go to a charge station. They have one at home. They plug in when they get home. Right. They’ve got their charger even set. If they’ve got time of use like I have, they even set their charger to where it charges when your rates for electricity are the cheapest they are. And at the end of the day, you’re not running around looking for any place to charge because it’s not necessary. You have plenty of range on what you’re doing. And if you charge every night, you start off with a full battery the next day. The reality is you’re never roaming around looking for charge stations, doing some of the things that, in this case, Laura would accuse people of doing that own EVs. Can I ask a quick question? Yes.
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If you fully charge your battery every night, does that make it to where it wears down worse?
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No, the car itself. Great question. Good question, Andy. All the cars have the ability to set where you want that battery level to be charged to. In the case of the ones I run, I only go to 80%. Still gives you plenty of range. That 20% headroom means the battery life stays really long. Okay. Because you’re not charging it to the max every single time you charge. You’re setting it that 80% mark. All of the cars have the ability on their internal computers to tell the charging station itself, this is how far I want the battery charged once it gets here, stop. And they communicate, by the way, back and forth. The car communicates. It communicates with the charge station back and forth so it knows when it’s at 80%. The car will say, all right, I’m done. Stop charging. Even if it’s plugged in, I’m done. Stop charging. The particular charge unit that I use even tells me in an app with a notification I’m either charging or I’m done. And I know from looking where things are at. Point being. When you don’t own one and you’ve never been through the process that I’ve been through, while she is technically correct in the way she’s explaining things, it’s not real life in the way she’s explaining things. She’s really going off of what she’s been told and what she’s encountered from others and the talking points that our side typically has when it comes to EVs. All that stuff gets regurgitated over and over again. And the problem, Andy, is it’s not wholly accurate.
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Yeah, what I don’t understand is this, John, because, look, we have a lot of negative, and I have negative emotions about EVs because I was forced to pay for them.
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I do, too.
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Okay, with my tax dollars, I was forced to pay for other people’s products.
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Absolutely. Just like I have utter disdain for public schools because it’s the same situation.
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Exactly. And so I look at that, and I understand that emotion, but then my response to the emotion is very simple. Don’t make me pay for it. It’s not, I hate the product. Exactly. It’s not, you know, I don’t suddenly hate the whole concept of education. I don’t like public education that my tax dollars have to pay for, you know, when other people are going to use it to mold young minds in their political views.
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Yeah, and on top of that, the unions have become so strong that politically speaking, you and I are now paying in our tax dollars for kids to be brainwashed.
SPEAKER 08 :
Why are my tax dollars going to something that’s union run?
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Right, and it’s against everything I believe in. Exactly. Yep, absolutely, Andy. Okay. Fully agree.
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Anyway, to finish with the cars, my only problem with the cars is don’t make me pay for it, but take them off the market, hate them, come down on them, buy every conspiracy theory in the world about them. Oh, come on.
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It’s a product. Right. And my point is this. There’s a lot of well-meaning people on our side that buy into different things that are going on that are maybe a little bit true but aren’t totally true. And then, Andy, it just drives a lot of that negativity that then really at the end of the day, because anybody that owns one of these starts to realize what these guys are talking about isn’t the way it works for me. My point is you lose credibility when you start going down those paths, which I don’t ever want to do.
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That’s Geno’s with a J. Now, back to Drive Radio. The Extra Mile with John Rush.
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The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush. Rand, you are actually our first caller today. Go for it, Rand.
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My question is, I’ve refrained from buying an EV for these points that I’m going to ask you about. Okay. If you take the cost of the EV versus a comparable gas-powered car in terms of build quality, features, luxury features. You spend more on an EV to get a comparable gas car. Would you agree?
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That’s a tough one because when it comes to the EVs, they’ve made them in a lot of ways, Rand, a step above luxury-wise. Now, there’s exceptions to that like the Nissan Leafs and some of the lower-end EVs, which in that case, you can really compare apples to apples when it comes to price, so that one doesn’t count. But when you take… You know, some of the higher-end EVs, for example. No, the typical EV will have more luxury, more technology, by the way, inside of it than its gas engine counterpart will.
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Okay, but I’ve heard the build quality on Teslas is not up to par with…
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And that’s one brand where taking Tesla as is, I would agree with you, and I’ve said that many times as a car person. I think Tesla, they’ve gotten better over the years, but their fit, finish, and a lot of their quality, I talked about this this last Saturday on Drive Radio, their interior noise decibel level and so on, it is not as good as a lot of the other manufacturers are when it comes to ice engine vehicles and so on. It’s getting better, but take Tesla out of it, The other manufacturers that do EVs are doing a great job on the fit, finish, and quality of.
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Okay, John, really quick here. Let me intrude. You’re buying an EV. Which one do you get?
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Which one do I buy? That’s like asking what vehicle do you buy when it comes to even a gas or diesel engine vehicle because there’s so many choices now. What are you using the car for?
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Okay, medium income driving around the metro area.
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If I was going to buy a straight EV, I would look at either a Chevy Equinox, which I own one of. It’s a fantastic car, great build, works fabulous, quiet inside. And frankly, and I said this yesterday on air, some of your Kia EVs, by the way, your entry level, I really shouldn’t call them entry levels, but your smaller SUV type EVs,
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evs on the kia side you can’t go wrong on go ahead ram okay now the other question is on in terms of resale value How do EVs depreciate in comparison to gas-powered vehicles?
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That’s a great question, and they’re taking a lot of hits on that because they will look like they’re depreciating much faster than a gas-engine car. The problem is when they do the depreciation on them, Rand, they are looking at a regular list price. Most people aren’t paying list price. They will be now because the tax credits are going away. But at one time, when you took the tax credits in Colorado, for example, at $11,500 off of the list price of the car, and then maybe that car depreciated another $5,000 to $8,000, they’re looking at that car as depreciating $20-some thousand dollars, when in reality, it’s not, because the people didn’t pay full price for the car. They bought the car much less than that. So… When you look at it on paper, minus the credits, they look like they’re depreciating much faster, when in reality, they’re probably comparable to an ICE engine vehicle. It’ll be interesting, though, in that world to see exactly how do they depreciate once people start paying full price for them and the tax credits go away.
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If people are going to get one, though, would you recommend get one now?
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Well, you’ve got until Monday or, sorry, Tuesday to buy one with tax credits. At that point in time, everything runs out. So if you’re going to buy one, yeah, buy one then. And I will say this, Rand. I don’t think most people buying EVs are necessarily looking at the resale end of it. They’re looking at that car, probably buying it. And frankly, this is one of those examples of where a lease might make a lot of sense to people because then you just walk away from the car at the end, turn it in, and walk away to the next car if you want to. I’m not typically a leasing guy, but in this particular case with EVs, it might make more sense for certain individuals. But at the end of the day, that is a factor, Rand. But by the way, it’s a factor with all cars, including luxury cars. You go buy a high-end Audi, by the way, and you look at the depreciation on an Audi in a year or two, it’s as bad as anything else out there.
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It’s worse.
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It’s worse. There you go. Thank you.
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What is the average cost with the Santa installation and the… equipment to put a charger in your old car?
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Great question. And that one comes down to you, your home, how it’s been wired, your existing infrastructure that you have now. In other words, your panel that you have. Can you add another 30 to 50 amp breaker? All of that comes into play. That’s a question that, frankly, no one out there, myself included, can give you a direct answer on because there’s a lot of depends in that answer.
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Okay, but average price, would you say, just a rough average?
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I think most people will consider about $2,500 or so being average by the time you buy the charger and install it. But I’ve seen some of them ran that are $5,000. I’ve seen some that are $1,000. It just depends on what you have.
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Okay, I doubt it.
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They do. They do. They wear out faster because the weight of an EV is much heavier than that of its internal combustion engine counterpart. So because of that extra weight and the fact that it does regenerative braking, your tires will wear out faster on the EV. Now, with all that being said, you’re virtually, for the first 60,000 to 70,000 miles in that car, doing no other maintenance to speak of. You’re not doing any oil changes. You’re not going to do brakes at all because of the regenerative braking. You’re really not spending any money on maintenance, Rand, other than tires.
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Okay. I’ve also heard that it’s… It costs more when you do need a repair on an EV. It’s more costly than a gas-powered car.
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And that one, again, that’s another depends answer. It really depends on what goes wrong. Battery life, contrary to what a lot of folks on our side of the aisle will say, doesn’t happen very often. The batteries are good to 200,000 miles plus. You can have, depending upon the vehicle, suspension issues down the road just like any other vehicle would have. I mean, they have ball joints and control arms and springs and shocks and so on just like any other vehicle has. Replacing those, though, Rand, is no more expensive than any other vehicle that’s out there. where it might get a little bit more expensive as if there is a real issue, the diagnosis of might end up, and I say might, might end up being more than its gas counterpart, although, depending upon what happens on some of your gas engine vehicles, you’ve heard me talk about this on drive radio plenty of times, that can get expensive as well. It just depends on what the repair is.
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Of course, okay. Other factor, I’ve heard that it’s hard, if you’re an accident in a Tesla, it’s extremely expensive. hard to get it repaired in a timely manner as opposed to a Toyota or a Honda.
SPEAKER 04 :
Great question. No, that’s a good question as well. This one also comes down to the type of vehicle, whether it’s a Tesla, a Porsche, an Audi, a Buick, a Chevrolet, a Ford, a Toyota. Again, all this comes down to how new is the vehicle. How long has the parts suppliers been able to make up and actually find the actual parts that are going to be needed most? In other words, which vehicles are involved in the most accidents? Because, as you know, there’s actuaries for that, and the manufacturer will stock up parts according to what they see need for as far as the part demand is concerned. And by the way, Rand, what you’re talking about can happen on any new vehicle, not just a EV. In other words, how readily available are those parts that have been damaged? How quickly can the collision center get it in and back out? And off we go. A lot of it comes down to the parts availability. But that can happen on virtually any vehicle, not just an EV.
SPEAKER 05 :
But I heard it was a pretty big problem with Teslas in general.
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I think Teslas in general. Personally, me, and this is me, and I’m not trying to bash them by any means. I’m not trying to bash Tesla. I wouldn’t own one for a lot of the reasons. I wouldn’t own one just because of how loud the interior noise is and how rough riding they are, Rand.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. So with all that in mind, would you suggest an EV or a hybrid car?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and this comes down to what do you do mostly with the vehicle? And what I mean by that is if you’re never going to leave our area, and all you’re doing is driving to and from work, and you’re never going to go anywhere outside of the city, which, by the way, that’s the majority of people listening. And a lot of people think, who in the world would ever do that? Most of you listening, by the way. Rarely, Rand, do people take road trips anymore. Andy’s an anomaly. He’ll go on a road trip a couple times a year. I’m weird. I like them. I haven’t been on a road trip in a decade, Rand. I mean, if I’m going anyplace, I’m getting on an airplane. I’m not driving anywhere because I drive enough already during the week, so I’m not driving anywhere. But everybody’s a little bit different, so it really comes down to, are you really going to go anywhere outside of the city with the vehicle? And if so, do you have a backup vehicle that you would take anyways? If that’s the case, then buy an EV because your cost of ownership on a per-mile basis will be cheaper than anything else out there, despite what all of our conservative right side of the fence will tell you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. The other question is, I’ve heard that with EVs, the mileage per charge goes way down if you have two passengers in the car, if you run the air conditioner or the heater.
SPEAKER 04 :
I haven’t seen that be an issue one way or the other. And, again, I’ve owned them since 2020. My cost to charge the vehicle up and run it, my wife, for example, in the Equinox, I don’t think ran that vehicle costs us $50 a month to run. There’s no way I could do that with gasoline.
SPEAKER 05 :
What kind of mileage are you putting on it?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, she’ll run about 1,000 miles a month or so.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
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Just for example, so I traded off my 6.2 Chevy, which they’ve got some issues with, with some recalls and so on. So I traded that off not long ago, about six weeks ago, and I got the new Silverado EV Trail Boss. It’s the max range, so it’ll do up to 400 miles on a charge. And even with that large battery capacity, it’s the largest in the marketplace right now, Rand, that battery, if it’s completely empty and I had to charge it up, It would cost me $25 to charge it up. I couldn’t fill the old truck up for the same mileage range. Actually, it didn’t even have quite that much range, but I couldn’t have filled the old truck up for $25. Got it. Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Do you recommend, in particular, any hybrid?
SPEAKER 04 :
If you’re going to buy a hybrid, go buy a Toyota.
SPEAKER 05 :
Toyota? What about the Hondas?
SPEAKER 04 :
Honda’s got a good hybrid as well, but the advantage Toyota has, they’ve been doing it the longest, period, of anybody. They just have the technology down like no one else has.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Well, you’ve answered a lot of my questions.
SPEAKER 04 :
And again, Rand, as you can tell from me, I look at it from the vehicle perspective and what does that do for you, not the political perspective, which so many people enter into, and I wish they didn’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. All right. Well, thank you for all your help.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re very welcome, Rand. I appreciate it. A lot of great questions, by the way.
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Now, back to Drive Radio. The Extra Mile with John Rush.
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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. You might play what I did with Rand there on Saturday for Drive Radio because he asked a ton of questions. Although, Andy, you had a couple of questions that you wanted to add to what Rand asked that we might as well go ahead and finish up on.
SPEAKER 08 :
Just minor stuff. I don’t have any major concerns about electric cars. Never have. But one is we’re coming into winter. First of all, of course, they’re not going to run as far on a charge in the winter.
SPEAKER 04 :
Their capacity has cut back some, yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. I don’t think that’s a big deal. Most people just use them around the urban area, so it’s not a big deal. But I’m just throwing that out. And secondly, what if you get caught in a snowstorm? And I mean really caught. I wouldn’t want to be caught in a place where you are going to have to spend hours using the heater on that charge, and then you still need that charge to get home. That, to me, would be a bit of a concern, just determining where would I go. In other words, in the middle of winter, I’m not taking that thing even very far up the mountains, probably.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s a great question. And again, what you’d want to do, of course, is have the vehicle charged up all the way, knowing that you’re full charge. And my wife runs to Breckenridge and back with ours in the wintertime, has never had an issue, one, whether you’re in traffic or not. The one thing to remember is when you’re in traffic and you’re just sitting there, you’re using very little power on all of the systems in the EV itself because you’re not moving. Just running the heater, for example, running some of those sorts of things, the lights, the wipers, and so on, it’s not using hardly any energy. In fact, all of those are being run off the 12-volt battery that the EV batteries, the DC EV batteries, are being converted to energy to actually charge the 12-volt battery. So there’s very little consumption of the large DC battery that’s in the vehicle itself. at that at that point so there’s not there’s very little draw if you would you know kilowatt wise and most of the cars by the way all the evs will tell you if you’re just sitting still it’ll tell you exactly how much am i drawing for example in in mine uh when you’re running in the heat so in your same thing you’re in the heat you’re running the ac you’ve got all that going on most of the evs i’ve driven will draw about one kilowatt an hour sitting there
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s it. And keep in mind, most of the batteries are going to be 100 kilowatt total. So think about how long you could sit there if you had a decent charge. You wouldn’t want to leave empty. By the way, you’re not going to want to do that anyways. You’re going to want to leave with a full battery. If you do, the likelihood of you being stranded is pretty slim.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Pretty slim. But that’s a great question, Andy. And Charlie, did you have one more question along those lines, too? Did I get all that answered? Oh, the other thing Charlie said was, how do they do in the snow themselves, which was a great question. So for those of you that are listening, this, again, comes down to what tires does it have on it? Did you buy a single motor, which is typically front-wheel drive, or did you buy a dual-motor EV, which means they’re all-wheel drive? I’ll tell you right now, with the right tires in the right mode setting, which each car has the snow mode setting, if you’ve got the right tires, the right mode setting, and the weight of that vehicle, you can go anywhere you want to.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah, it’s very heavy. It’s pushing down heavily on the tires.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. The heavier the vehicle, the better it’s going to do in the snow because you’ve got more pressure there to actually do that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and does it make a big difference to have that weight evenly distributed?
SPEAKER 04 :
Which it pretty much is because that battery is sitting underneath all the floorboards, meaning it’s going all the way across front to back to your point, meaning you don’t, like a truck where you put sandbags in the back because even though it’s a heavier vehicle, the back end isn’t. No, you’re not doing that on an EV because that platform, to your point, is distributed out evenly front to back, meaning you’ve got distributed weight very well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and on top of that, you have very smooth power.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. Now, last but not least, I’m glad Andy just mentioned that. Because herky-jerky power, what does that do? That slips. That’s right. So Andy just mentioned something great, which I’m glad he did. The biggest, for me personally, the biggest reason in owning an EV is the performance side. Well, obviously. For those of you that have never driven one. It’s a rocket. Yeah, don’t knock it till you try it. Because the problem is, and Richard and I have even talked about this, my wife and I have even talked about this. When you drive an EV for any kind of length of time at all, and then you go get back in a regular gasoline-powered vehicle, it’s like, holy cow. Where’d all my power go? Because even pulling out into traffic is a completely different experience from a gasoline diesel powered engine than it is an EV, because that power is instantaneous. Even on some of the lower end EVs that don’t have, you know, they’re not a performance vehicle or anything along those lines. The zero to 40 time on any of those EVs. is like second to none. There’s very few vehicles, unless you’re in a really high-performance vehicle, you know, Corvette, Lamborghini, Ferrari, something like that, you’re typically, even your 0 to 40 time, Andy, won’t be as great as it is in some of those, you know, $25,000 EVs, and I’m not exaggerating when I say that. That’s how quick they actually are.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, it’s instant transference of power.
SPEAKER 04 :
And, last but not least, at our elevation, everybody forgets this as well, at our elevation, you can take a performance car that makes, you know, 500 horsepower. Unless it’s supercharged or turbocharged and you’re adding air, a naturally aspirated engine, as you go up in elevation and there’s less air, performs more poorly because you don’t… An engine’s a big air pump. Less air, less fuel, less power. That doesn’t happen on an EV. The way an EV performs at sea level or at… 11,000 feet is exactly the same. They do not change from what’s at sea level to where we are right now, which all of you driving don’t realize. But if you took your existing vehicle and even drove to Kansas, where you’re lower in elevation by probably 3,000 feet, you’ll notice a power difference even going to Kansas versus where we are. Of course. In Denver, and as you go up the hill, it even gets less and less and less powerful. That is the other advantage that an EV has is it is a flat line no matter what elevation you’re at as far as the power is concerned.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah. Why wouldn’t it be?
SPEAKER 04 :
Now, last but not least. My wife doesn’t use this feature, but I do. So does Richard. I love it. In fact, to me, it’s the best part about driving an EV. We call it one pedal driving, meaning when you let off the gas, the regenerative brake, let off the accelerator pedal, I should say. It’s not gas, but you let off the pedal. There’s regenerative braking, meaning that if you learn how to use the pedal correctly, you rarely, if ever, hit the brake pedal. You let the vehicle do its slowing down and speeding up. That’s the one advantage an electric car has is you rarely ever push on the brake pedal because if you drive correctly with the accelerator pedal, you never have to push the brake because the vehicle slows down automatically as you literally come all the way up to a stoplight, stop sign, whatever it happens to be. It is the easiest way you could ever drive, and it really spoils you because then when you get in a regular vehicle, you’re like, oh, crap, I’ve got to push the brake now. You don’t have to in an EV. And they literally slow down quickly enough that in some cases you’ll find yourself feathering the accelerator pedal just to keep things moving along because it will literally take you completely to a stop.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
So, again, for all of you listening, a lot of conservatives that hate them. Don’t hate it until you try one. Don’t knock it until you try it sort of a thing. Because for a lot of you that are out there listening, they probably fit the bill more than you actually think they would. We’ll play this again as we get into Drive Radio coming up this weekend as well. So if some of you want to replay that or listen to that again, we’ll actually do that. Might even take that little excerpt out and put it on the website all on its own. Because Rand and Andy both, you guys asked a lot of great questions that went into that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Five-second answer. Subsidies going away. Do you think they’ll lower the prices a little bit to compensate?
SPEAKER 04 :
I think they’re going to have to. Yeah, they’re going to have to. Okay. Yep, absolutely, Andy. I think they will. Or they’ll have some other incentives when it’s all said and done. So that’s it for hour number one. We’ll be back hour number two. All right. And I hope you enjoyed that last segment we did on EVs and just a lot of the different questions that came in from a listener, which, again, I appreciate all those questions and the way we were able to handle that, and it made some – Good conversation. Again, that’s what we’re going to be doing here on the extra miles, getting into more of those things. Now, we did all of that live on air because I felt like that was an important enough topic where we were able to do that. But this extra mile is going to be used for a lot of the things, as I said earlier, as we were opening up, don’t always have time to talk about on live. you know, a regular weekly basis. And again, if you’re listening to us for the first time, we appreciate it very much. Thank you. You’ll be hearing us here with the extra mile every week from 3 to 4 p.m. right here on KLZ 560. Don’t forget, though, to listen to drive radio on a regular basis from 10 to 1 and actually fix it radio, which we do in a roundhouse show on Saturday morning. So we really start at 9. and run tail one. And then of course this extra hour we’re pre-recording, which as I told you earlier is a little bit different for me, but we’ll make it all work and we’ll get better at this as we go. I’m used to doing live radio and not doing pre-recording. So this is a bit different for me, but again, we’ll make it all work. And again, I appreciate each one of you listening. I did want to dovetail today, how to buy a new car. Now I’m going to do my best to get this done. We got about 20 minutes or so left of the program today, and I’m going to do my best to get this worked into the 20 minutes, which I believe I can do. I will also, and my plan is for the following week, so next week, second week of November, my plan is to talk about the used car end of things. I’ll do my best to bring some guests in on that one as well to help everybody out and lots of things involving used car, frankly, more than a new car. And again, I’ll do my very best to cover everything today. If I don’t get it all done, trust me, we’ll come back and touch this subject again and And I say this a lot, and I mean it. If you ever need help buying a car, even selling for that matter, but if you need really help buying a car, Please reach out. Text me 307-200-8222. Send me an email, john at drive-radio.com. I help a lot of different people when it comes to decisions on new and used cars. And we do that for free. We’re not a buying service. I don’t go to the dealership with you and do a lot of the different things that are involved that way. But I do my best to help everybody make good choices when it comes to buying cars. their new or used car. So if there’s something that you need along those lines, by all means, reach out. Don’t pay for a buying service because reality is you don’t need it. I can help you with all of that. And we have enough folks that help me even with this particular program. And I’ve got enough experience inside of the industry where you do not need to go find one of these buying services, which again, not to belittle any of those individuals, but frankly, uh they may not know as much about it as we do and i mean that in all sincerity so if you need help buying a newer used car even help selling a used car you know by all means let us know and we’ll help you with that as much as we can and no i don’t go to the dealership with you that’s a whole different process but i can assure you that i can help you with enough stuff on the front side when it’s all said and done so let’s talk about some of the basic things i’m not going to get into the you know, the landscape of car buying and all that right now. I’m going to try to do more of the inner workings of what you actually need to be doing when you buy a new car because there’s a lot to it and for a lot of people. And this is something that my wife reminds me of on a pretty routine basis. This is something that for me is second nature. I’ve bought plenty of new and used cars over the days and over the years, I should say. And for me, it’s like second nature. So it’s not intimidating to me at all. But my wife reminds me all the time that for a lot of folks, it is. And what I mean by that is it is intimidating to walk into the dealership. In fact, in some cases, it’s intimidating just to walk on the lot, drive onto the lot of a new car dealership. Because in a lot of cases, you’re going to get, you know, maybe not swarmed, but there’s going to be lots of folks that want that business, that want to come out. and talk to you. Hopefully, they want to come out and talk to you. Now, here’s a little tip on that. If you’re looking for a… How do I want to say this? If you’re looking for a particular vehicle, and this is where the research and preparation comes into play. So if you’re wanting to look for a new vehicle, first thing to do is, if you’re going to go shop, And you’re just trying to figure out, you know, style and look and colors and all that. You can do a lot of that online, of course. And anymore, the online stuff has gotten way better than it ever has before. So you can do a lot of research online, but you can do a lot of research here in Colorado. I know we have a large listening audience. So we cover, you know, four-state region plus the folks that listen to us out of state. We go coast to coast. And every state is different this way. But here in Colorado… You can shop on Sundays, and by law, the blue law, the Colorado car dealers have to be closed, new and used. They cannot be open. So you may have to walk over a chain link fence across a driveway or do something along those lines, but you can get in and actually look around at cars with nobody bothering you. On a Sunday. Now, you may not see all the inventory they have because sometimes those things are kept, you know, back behind closed fences or they may be inside the shop or they may be on the showroom itself and things along those lines. But you can get a pretty good idea of what to look at when it comes to a new car by visiting a car dealership on a Sunday. Sunday. You can do it in the evenings as well, but we’re getting into that time of the year where it’s harder and harder to do at night because things are dark now. And never buy a car in the dark. So here’s a few tips for you on that. Never buy a car in the dark. Never buy a car in the rain or the snow. In other words, you want bright sunlight. Never buy a car in the dark. When it’s dark outside, when it’s cloudy, even super cloudy outside, super rainy outside, you don’t get the real feel for the vehicle, the color and everything when all of those things are going. Even some of the imperfections, if you’re buying a new car and you’re picking it up, don’t pick it up on one of those days because a lot of those things can be masked. And I know sometimes that’s unavoidable, but trust me, try to get the car purchased. And even if it’s a rotten day, have them deliver it to you inside inside of the shop inside where the write-up area is whatever you might be able to do along those lines make sure you you get that car delivered when you can really see what’s going on in the car a lot of times cars are delivered in the evenings after work again that’s fine providing you’re in the shop where you can see imperfections make sure the car is cleaned and detailed and all those things are taken care of the way that you know you know they need to be taken care of and it meets your satisfaction and expectations don’t let them get by with you know delivering that car to you when it’s rainy or it’s wet or anything along those lines so do your best along those lines to make that happen so and and one last thing and i say this a lot on all of my programs Never buy a car on a Friday night, ever. And I’m sorry for all of you dealers that are out there, but don’t buy a car on a Friday night. And the reason not to buy a car on a Friday night is because for most people, there are some exceptions to this, but for most people, it’s been a long week. You’re tired. You’re probably not going to make as good of decisions as you would normally make. So I’m very serious when I mean don’t buy cars on Friday nights because typically when you do, you end up making decisions that you regret later on. And I’m going to get into the research side of that here in just one moment. But first tip, never buy a car on a Friday night. Buy it when you have plenty of time. Don’t be pushed to actually buy a car. Don’t be rushed for time on your end. Pick out times where it works. And one other tip along these lines, only buy cars when you don’t need it. Now, I know that sounds sort of counterproductive, and some would be saying, John, why would I buy a car when I don’t need it? What I mean by that is you know when you have a purchase coming up, and you know even when your old car is getting to the point to where it needs replaced, or you’re trying to buy another car for the family. Maybe you’ve got a teenage driver or something along those lines. And again, this applies to new and used. So this one you can go on either side of the aisle. Only buy those cars when you know you have plenty of time and preparation. You’re not feeling rushed, and it’s not an emergency to buy a car. Worst thing you can do is buy a car in an emergency. In other words, hey, I’ve got to have a car. Something just happened. My last car totally broke down. I’ve got to have transportation. I’m going to go replace it this weekend. worst decision again you could ever make because you end up buying things that again down the road you’ll regret so don’t do that either give yourself plenty of time in some cases you know what you could research what you want to buy for a year and and i mean that sincerely it may take you that long to really make a decision on what you’re going to buy as far as a car is concerned and if that’s what it takes that’s what it takes Don’t feel pressured. And again, as long as you’re keeping your old car up and maintained and so on, you should have that ability to give yourself some time. Now, I understand there’s situations that come up, accidents, things along those lines. A car gets totaled. And in those cases, it changes things. But even then, you know what? Get a longer term rental. Do something for a month long where you’ve got more of a cushion to actually go buy a car and buy what you want, not what you feel you’re being forced into. So by all means, give yourself plenty of time. Now, on the research and preparation. And I’ve said this for years. I used to say this even to my own customers before I was actually on air. And my history is I was a shop owner for 30 plus years. I grew up in a car dealership. So from a very, very young age, literally, but as soon as I started walking and realizing what cars were, I’ve been around cars. New, used, you know, the whole gamut of things. Been on the sales side. I’ve been on the repair side. I’ve been in every aspect of the dealership from parts to sales to the collision center to the repair side to write and service to you name it. I’ve done it all inside of a car dealership. And reality is I know I’m pretty well inside and out. And believe it or not, even in all these years, they haven’t changed much. maybe slightly in some areas. Yes, they’re more technologically advanced than they used to be, but the premise and how things work internally is still the same. It is no different. So first things first, do your research. And what I mean by that is some of you can get really fancy, build spreadsheets, do all sorts of things along those lines, but really the easiest thing to do is get a legal pad out or a notebook, draw a line down the middle, Put on the left all of your needs. Not your wants, but your needs. You can put wants down below. We’re going to do needs up top first, though. What is it you need in the next car you’re buying? Does it need to be a three-row vehicle? Can you get by with just two rows? What kind of cargo space do you need? Do you need an SUV? Will a sedan work? if you’re looking for a sports car same situation put down your needs in that case once as to what you actually want in that particular vehicle now wants and needs are usually different because a lot of people want things but you know budgetarily speaking and what’s available might not actually meet the want what we want is to meet the need because once you meet your need you end up liking that car a lot more so Figure out what your need is first and put that again on the left side of the column on this legal pad that we’re writing out. And then in that, again, in all of those wants, put down everything that you need in a vehicle. You know, I need all wheel drive or I need a part time slash full time four wheel drive. I need this much ground clearance. I need whatever. I need a roof rack. I mean, get down to the details of what is it you need, you and your family, you and your spouse, you if you’re a single person, whatever the situation is. And by the way, all of what I just said applies to a lot of listeners that I have. I’ve got folks that are single that are looking for a car just for themselves. I’ve got families that need big suburban type vehicles. I’ve got folks that are just a couple or it’s a young driver. Again, figure out what your needs are. Needs only. And then let’s start going to the right side of the column and figure out what vehicles actually fit that need. Now, when it comes to that, you know, small to midsize SUV, there’s a plethora of them. And I get a question almost weekly on what should I buy when it comes to that segment? And my answer is whatever you want, because the reality is the quality on all of them is very similar. I am not a brand specific or a brand loyal individual, as you guys all know by now. I look at more of the vehicle. What need is it meeting? Is it comfortable for you and your family? If you’re somebody, by the way, that has kids and you’ve got car seats in the back, that’s another consideration. What’s it like when you’ve actually got your child in the car seat, in the back seat? How much room do you have then in the front seat? Do you have to go back far enough for you to feel comfortable that now the child behind you’s feet is in the back of the seat? And you’re going to feel that, and they’re not going to be comfortable. Those are all things to consider when you’re looking at a car. Again, this comes down to the needs, not necessarily the wants. And some manufacturers do a really good job of assembling all the things that I just said in regards to kids and car seats and so on. But bottom line, figure out what your actual needs are. then figure out exactly what vehicle does fit into those particular categories, and then start narrowing that down. And this is where you can go out in Colorado on a Sunday, start looking at different vehicles, look at the different colors, look at the different options, trim levels, all of that, and start deciding what is it that you really like versus what you don’t like. And one little tip when it comes to new cars. This is something I don’t think a lot of folks understand. The more options you buy on the car, yes, it costs more on the front side, but you gain that back on the backside when the car is used because most people want more options, especially when it comes to the used car sides of things. So you may be looking at two different vehicles, two different models. There might be some difference in price. One’s full leather has all the options, bells, whistles and so on. At the end of the day, it doesn’t change the purchasing side of it a whole lot. My advice is buy that one over the other one, because down the road, providing you take good care of the vehicle which will have some session you will have some shows on that in the future as well but if you take really good care of the vehicle and have a nice good solid clean used car with all of the options those are very desirable in the used car market end of things and those cars are typically not very hard to sell with some exceptions which again i’ll get into in some of the future shows if you go wild and get some of the really high-end vehicles and Those of you that have that ability to do that, you kind of know what I’m talking about. And I’m probably not talking to you today anyways because you understand what you’re talking about. But again, be careful. Don’t get too wound up in all of the accessories and that because in some cases it can be hard to recoup that. But in general… the more optioned out vehicles will do better in the secondary market than ones that are not. So that’s something to consider in this whole research and prepping and so on. Now, when it comes to the buying of the car, the negotiating, the trade and so on. Now, this is what I always tell people. Don’t walk in and say you’re going to pay cash. Even if you have cash, you’re not paying cash. dealerships will not give you as good of a deal buying it in cash as they will financing. Those days of getting a better deal because you have cash, long gone. It doesn’t matter anymore. The dealerships actually make a kickback. They make money on the financing end of things, so you’re much better off actually financing the car Even if you have all the cash to pay for the car, finance it for two or three months, pay it off, you actually end up saving enough money on the car that the little bit of interest that you’ll pay in those two or three months, you’re better off in the end doing it that way than you are actually walking in and paying cash. Now, one thing, though, to do is you never have a trade until you start working the deal. And what I mean by that is we’re going to try to figure out what kind of a price can we get on that new car. You’ve selected the car. You now know what you want to buy. You’ve probably even now by then selected a dealership or maybe a couple that you’re going to work with. And you’ve decided, yep, that’s the car. This is my budget. This is my price range. And I’m going to start negotiating. Now, here’s another tip for a lot of you. If you have the ability to do this, not everybody does, but most do, figure out some of the financing on the front side. There are all sorts of internet sites, including your own banks and credit unions you can go to. Determine what, if you went and bought a car, what would they fund it for? How much would they charge you interest and so on? Because we’re going to use that as a benchmark for the dealership to match. So if you’re out shopping and you can get a rate that’s in the high threes, for example, okay, if you know that’s your rate and you can get that done at that rate and that term, 48 months, 60 months, 36 months, whatever it is you decide to do, you get all that done on the front side, knowing where you’re at, knowing what your credit rating is and so on. You’re much better off walking into the car dealership knowing all of that on the front side than you are on the back side. In other words, don’t let them tell you what to do. We’re going to tell them where we’re at now in a way that kind of becomes a cash sale. So be careful of that. We’re not going to tell them that on the front side. We’re going to see what kind of an offer we get first to then determine do I pull this particular rate card, you know, this particular rating that I’ve already got from my own funding sources out and let them know. So that’s sort of that pre-approved financing, but we’re not going to tell the dealer that on the front side because it may cut into some of the other incentives and things that they have they could offer us through their financing. Because remember, they’re getting some money back on that funding and financing end of things. So we’re going to use that as a part of the negotiating side. Now, the reason why I say we’re not mentioning trade yet is because we want to see what kind of a deal we can get on the car itself right now. On top of all of this, And part of your research, I’m going to back up for a moment, know the value of your car. We’ve got several folk inside of our own network here at Ridgeline Auto Brokers. They can tell you what that car is worth. In fact, even give you probably a bid-buy price on the car that you’re driving right now. So you know for solid, you know for sure, here’s what my car is worth today. So we’re not going to say anything about that again to the dealer when we go in to buy the car. We’re leaving that, again, in the back pocket, just like we are in the financing end. So we’re going to try to make the best deal we can on the car, on the front side. Once that’s done and you’ve got the deal made, if you decide at that point you want to trade the car in, you know the value of your car, you start negotiating that at that point. Because what a lot of people do is the dealer starts working the trade into the initial deal. And one of the first things, too, that happens in most dealerships is the first thing they will ask you, very, very first part of the conversation is, what payment are you looking at today? never give them that never give them that it’s not about payment it’s about the price of the car the net price of the car that’s why we’re not worried about payments you you guys are all smart enough you can figure payments on your own there’s all sorts of tools loancalculator.com etc you can figure out what a car is going to cost you outside of them we don’t need them to give us the payment side we need to know what’s our bottom dollar on this particular car Then we’ll work through financing, trade, and all of that. And again, I know I’m going a little bit quickly here, but this is in general. And again, if any of you have any specific questions, please reach out. Use the text line 307-200-8222 or send me an email, john at drive-radio.com. and I’ll help you with that. Now, one other thing to do on the research sides of things is look at, and there’s plenty of websites that do this, look at the particular make and model that you finally decided on, or maybe there’s a couple of choices, figure out what the incentives are. You can typically go online. There’s even aggregate sites that will tell you what these incentives actually are. Everything from, do you have a Costco membership? Do you have a Sam’s membership? Have you been in the military? On and on we go. So there’s all sorts of things that they can stack on top of one another, by the way, And yes, they have the ability to do that. In some cases, there’s a loyalty program. Maybe you’re trading a different brand in. Believe it or not, there’s even incentives for if you trade one brand in for another because they want your business, they’ll actually give you more credit, if you would, or so much dollars off because you’re actually buying their make and model, their make of vehicle versus theirs. The other make you’re trading in. Now, in some cases, also loyalty. You’ve owned one of their cars before. They want to keep you in that particular brand. There’s some loyalty rewards sometimes. Also, make sure that you’re utilizing any credit card type things you may have encountered over the years. Some of you have different credit cards that may actually work towards dollars off on a car. Make sure you don’t forget about all of that when you actually go to negotiate and work out this bottom line price. So again, understand what those incentives are. Get all that done. I should have mentioned it’s kind of a given. Test drive the car, of course. Make sure you feel comfortable in the car. And if you have the ability on the particular car that you’re looking at, because maybe you’re changing completely from one car to another, if you have the ability to go out and rent that car for even several days or a week, it’s well worth the money to rent the car and know whether you’re going to like it or not like it before you actually purchase it and then hate it. So always see if you’ve got the ability, even if it’s not the exact trim package of what you’re looking at, see if you can rent the car that you’re actually looking to buy because in the end, again, you’ll end up being a better buyer and you won’t have buyer’s remorse after the case. So some of the pitfalls, I’ll see if I can close out with this and I think we’ve got plenty of time. They’re going to try to sell you gap insurance. They’re going to try to sell you an extended service contract or a warranty. They’re going to try to sell you even a maintenance package. All the dealerships make money on these particular things. They also make money on things like ceramic coating and pinstriping and things like that. personally those are all a no i can help all of you with how you do that outside of the dealership to get those things done you don’t need to pay their prices and in most cases it’s definitely not the same quality that you’re getting somewhere else so you know we’ve got protec auto shield that does everything from the paint protection film clear bra window tinting ceramic coating and so on And by the way, if you’re sitting in the hot box, the finance office, and they’re trying to sell you ceramic coating, and they’re going to apply it while you wait, and they’ll still deliver the car to you same day, and there’s a $1,500 upcharge, run. Number one, you can’t do it that fast. Number two, they’re just making straight dollars off of that because they don’t have very much money in that process that they’re trying to sell you. So, by the way, if literally if you run into a dealership that’s trying to do that get up leave go buy the car someplace else because that tells you straight up they’re not being honest with you so that is one of the pitfalls to avoid also you’re getting to the point where okay we’re dialed in we’ve got the right car we’ve made our deal we’re sitting in the finance office we’re getting things done they’re printing up the paperwork check all of that and what i mean by that is When you know the car you’re buying is the car you’re buying, take a picture of it. Take a picture of the VIN number. It’s either up on the left-hand side, driver’s side of the windshield, you know, through the windshield, you know where the VIN tag is, or there’s a sticker inside of the driver’s door that gives you the VIN number as well. Make sure all of your paperwork matches that VIN number specifically. No mistakes. I personally have had some issues with this in the past, and it’s a nightmare if there’s any kind of mistakes at all. So we don’t want to make any mistakes and… Guys, with that, I know we’re getting tight on time. I’ve got a few more things that I’ll talk about. I’m going to add some of those into next week as we talk about the used car purchase sides of things as well. But, hey, I appreciate you guys listening, and I really look forward to this extra hour that we’ve got. Drive Radio, the extra mile. We’ll be doing this again. On a weekly basis, and again, if you have any questions at all, anything you’d like to add to the program, please reach out. Send us a text message, 307-282-22, or you can go to the website, drive-radio.com, send us an email there, or directly to john, J-O-H-N, at drive-radio.com. And again, folks, thank you so much. This is Drive Radio, The Extra Mile. You can listen to us even through the website, online, during this time. You can listen out of state. You can go back and listen to a podcast of this or recording of this as well. We appreciate it very much. This has been our first episode of Drive Radio, The Extra Mile.
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