SPEAKER 02 : 0:01

Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here’s Angie.

SPEAKER 04 : 0:09

Hey there, friend, Angie Austin, Dr. Cheryl Lentz. Dr. Cheryl Lentz is the academic entrepreneur. She’s a writer, speaker, professor, and we’re continuing a conversation that we started with you on, you know, just 40 life questions. And I started it, and I roped Cheryl in, and she had such a kick out of it, and I hope you’re getting a kick out of doing it on your own as well, that we thought we’d do some more. Hey, Cheryl.

SPEAKER 03 : 0:36

Hi there, everybody. It’s good to see you.

SPEAKER 04 : 0:38

Happy spring. Yeah, happy spring. These are, and it’s a little, it’s snowy here, so we’re definitely in a happy snowy spring for us here in Colorado, that’s for sure. Okay, what is something you wish for everyone you love? And these are like life questions, so just think to yourself, and Cheryl’s going to answer, I’ll answer. What is something you wish for everyone you love?

SPEAKER 03 : 1:02

Acceptance.

SPEAKER 04 : 1:03

Ooh, that’s a good one.

SPEAKER 03 : 1:05

They want to just accept the world the way it is and the way we could make it. But you have to accept and love yourself first. And that’s not always an easy thing for many people to do.

SPEAKER 04 : 1:14

What is something you wish for everyone you love? I would say health. You know, you think health and happiness. You know, good health affects so much. One of our friends is dealing with glioblastoma, which is brain cancer. And two of her kids, of her five kids, are still high school age. And I’ve got three in high school. And so she and I are similar age. I just can’t imagine battling with something like that. So serious, so severe, you know, it’s it’s one of the most difficult to battle. So, yes, something you wish for. Oh, thank you. Her name’s Tony. So what is something you wish for everyone you love? I would say, you know, good health and longevity, you know, I mean, happiness lump in there, too. But good health really helps you achieve that happiness for sure. What is something what what impact do you want to leave on the people you love? What impact do you want to leave on the people you love?

SPEAKER 03 : 2:10

I would like to that whenever they would think of me, they would have a funny story. They would have it. Oh, she lit up the room that whenever that they would think of me, they would be, oh, my God, she was just absolutely hysterical. And here’s the great memory that we had together that they would always remember. remember me with those kinds of stories and at least keep talking about me, you know?

SPEAKER 04 : 2:29

Oh, I like that too. And I, I, it’s weird when I run into people I knew when I was young and when I was working at NBC for 11 years, 12 years. And when I was in college and high school, everyone that I’ve been reacquainted with, with this Harvard happiness study, trying to find people that I really have cared about. They all talk about, you know, they’ll say to my kids, like your mom was the hardest worker I ever met. And she worked two jobs and she did this. And, I’ve never met anybody as driven as your mom was. And I’m like, I don’t feel like that’s me anymore, but I am proud that they, that I left that legacy with the people I worked with. But I want like people to feel like warm and happy when they think about me, like what impact do you want to leave? Like if I’m gone, I want my kids to just feel like a warmth, a love, a happiness, you know, and, and feel really good. Like when they think about me.

SPEAKER 03 : 3:17

Oh, that’s sweet in there. But it’s that experience that, that, that, That feeling that you get all warm and fuzzy inside, you’d like them to have that feeling.

SPEAKER 04 : 3:24

Yes, yes, I like that. All right, so all three of us, Cheryl, me, and you listening, here’s the question. What’s something simple that makes you smile? What is something simple that makes you smile?

SPEAKER 03 : 3:36

Any brand of Haagen-Dazs ice cream.

SPEAKER 04 : 3:40

Really? Any flavor of Haagen-Dazs?

SPEAKER 03 : 3:43

Oh, I’m a big fan of anything caramel. So, you know, caramel crunch, caramel something that’s got caramel and chocolate. And I think caramel is better than chocolate, quite frankly. I do, too.

SPEAKER 04 : 3:52

I love caramel and vanilla better than chocolate. And I like salted caramel.

SPEAKER 03 : 3:56

Yes, yes, yes. My all time favorite.

SPEAKER 04 : 3:58

Oh, it’s so good. And if you throw some pecans in there. Oh, my gosh. Is there a flavor of like agandas or or Ben and Jerry’s that you really like?

SPEAKER 03 : 4:09

What is that? Del Leche?

SPEAKER 04 : 4:11

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER 03 : 4:12

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like caramel on steroids. It’s like, oh, yeah.

SPEAKER 04 : 4:17

And I actually like Cherry Garcia a lot and Chubby Hubby’s not bad. But, you know, Haagen-Dazs, you can’t go wrong with even just vanilla, you know.

SPEAKER 03 : 4:26

Exactly.

SPEAKER 04 : 4:27

Okay. Something simple that makes me smile. I wasn’t going to say ice cream, but I mean, who doesn’t love ice cream? But secondly, and there’s an ice cream shop on the cruise ship and most of the food is free, but I looked up the ice cream shop and it’s like a dollar to $2 for like anything you get. So I’m like, that’s almost free. You know what I mean? That’s fantastic.

SPEAKER 03 : 4:46

I’d be hanging out there every day.

SPEAKER 04 : 4:47

Yeah. And they have like little like ice cream pops. They make them there. So I’m excited about that. Okay. What’s something simple that makes you smile? What’s something simple that makes you smile? For me, I’d say my pets. especially with dogs, because one of my dogs is like a circus dog. Like when she wants something or she’s excited to see you, she just goes boing, boing, boing, boing, boing. And she can balance on her back legs for like a minute and a half. Like she can do 40 boings, you know? And I’m like, how are you not falling over? How are you boinging so much? And she’s been that. She’s been boingy like that ever since she was a puppy. I have a video where she’s the tiniest puppy trying to get on the couch and I’m laughing because I’m like, are you trying to get up? And she’s like, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing. And she can’t get on the couch, but she’s not going to like give up because she thinks one of those boings is going to be like a double boing and like bounce her onto the couch, you know?

SPEAKER 03 : 5:39

Mine would have to be when my dog sings. That is the most amazing thing. She gets in her mood and just is talking, talking, singing up a storm. And it’s just, it’s a hoot. And sometimes I can make her saying sometimes I can’t, but when she just spontaneously erupts, that’s why I own this breed.

SPEAKER 04 : 5:56

Cause I just, Oh, the Malamutes and the Huskies are so great with that. All right. So my, but my one that always makes me laugh and smile is the baby’s laughing. Okay. something it’s so infectious when they’re losing it and they can’t stop laughing and you’re doing something that’s making them laugh and like I even have videos that I’ll like play that I’m like okay I’ve got to play the baby laughing video because when they’re in hysterics I can’t help but laugh and oh and when my girls giggle both of my girls they have the funniest giggle like they’ll be watching something and I’ll hear them giggle And it just makes me giggle when I hear them giggle because it’s so cute. In fact, my daughter the other day said, look how big my nose looks in sunglasses. And she put the sunglasses on and she like squinched her nose up like, look, look how big it is. And I burst out laughing and she goes, see, even you think my nose is big. And she started laughing. I’m like, no, I’m laughing because you put the sunglasses on and then you squinched up your nose like, see, see how big it is. I’m like, I’m not laughing at your nose. I’m laughing at you.

SPEAKER 03 : 6:56

Exactly. And I think it’s just the little things that we treasure like that, that just make us, it makes the world go round. And it just makes the life so much easier when you can just laugh at anything or everything.

SPEAKER 04 : 7:07

Yes, yes. What’s something in the world that you can’t stand for that you just are absolutely appalled by? Oh, I know exactly for me.

SPEAKER 03 : 7:18

Oh, gosh, there are a few thing in there. I would think when people lie, I have a hard time with integrity in there. It just and they just want to, they feel the need to not be who they are not tell the truth as if somehow that gets them off the hook and They don’t have to take responsibility for their actions. That drives me nuts.

SPEAKER 04 : 7:40

Okay. I hate… I actually work for one of those justice projects. I hate injustice, but what really pains me and gives me great sadness where I feel it in my heart and it feels heavy and I’m sad is involving high school age kids. And because my kids are in high school and I see kids that are cutting themselves and I see the scars on their arms and legs or… I see these kids walking alone with a hoodie on, with the hoodie all the way up, and their head down, and they’re walking alone over to a Winchell’s Donut place by the high school. There aren’t many food places by the high school, but when I see them walking somewhere alone, and then you see all these groups of kids, these packs of kids, and there was just an assault where a girl was jumped on by a bunch of girls and killed. Last I heard, she’s in critical condition because one of the I think they’re 15. She was smashing the victim’s head into the concrete after she was passed out. And then she’s in critical condition now. And I just I can’t like the kids will be like, did you see the video? No, I cannot watch it because the distress and angst and like heart pain that it causes me. I can’t watch. So I wish I said to Faith every day because something happened at her school and she went into the dean’s office because she was worried about this kid that was doing something in the hallway that was self-harm. And so she went to the dean’s office. She was really upset when she came home. And I said, I wish I could just grab these kids and let them know, like, it gets better. It’s like when you get out of school and you’re working at, you know, Sears or you’re in your college class or you’re, you know working for ibm or you’re in your office like nobody’s like oh but bob is i can’t stand him because he’s fat no no one says that they’re not like oh i hate susie because she has purple hair no no one’s saying that like if you’re a decent human people like you and if you’re quirky at work people don’t care like you have friends as an adult and some friends actually like you because you’re quirky some people choose you because you’re quirky so If you don’t fit in in high school, I just want to let them know what’s that campaign that gets better. It gets better. You’re not going to be an outcast. Nobody’s going to care what you wear to work. You know what I’m saying?

SPEAKER 03 : 9:57

No, I get it. And that’s the whole point behind my answer of acceptance in our previous segment was the ability is can we just be accepted for who we are, what we are, and loved regardless of our flaws? Because our flaws and our quirks make us who we are, and that’s amazing. But in high school and younger lives, we – it’s kind of more judgmental as you get older, it becomes more cute and adorable, but it’s hard to know that when you’re 16 and everyone’s making fun of you, you know?

SPEAKER 04 : 10:21

Okay. What does the world need more of? I think that’s acceptance, but Oh, what, pardon me? What kind of people? So if you’re listening at home in your car, what kind of people does the world need more of?

SPEAKER 03 : 10:35

Extroverts, people who are willing to go out there and just be themselves and share it with the world so that they don’t shrink. We don’t need shrinking violets. We need people who are willing to share their gift and willing to take risks so they can go and be amazing people. I think many people don’t live up to their potential because they’re too afraid of being judged or failing. I just want them to just risk take and just go out there. I’d rather have someone fail and not succeed than And never know you can try.

SPEAKER 04 : 11:01

And one of the things that Cheryl speaks on is like failing to success, you know, that you’re making all these stumbles on the way to success. Okay, I think of Hope, my daughter, and she has a very big personality. She’s very boisterous because she has ADHD. Sometimes she, you know, loses focus or isn’t always loud in the appropriate situation. But people love that she, I mean, she has no… No, she’s not reserved at all when she runs up to the hallway and hugs you. And she’ll meet like a friend of mine and say, I want to hug you. I’m a hugger. Or, you know, may I hug you? And like teachers, she’s excited to see him. Like, you know, excited like a second grader is excited to see one. Or like a toddler, you know, the way they’re like. Hey, I haven’t seen you in so long. How are you? Or she was walking with her coach the other day that it was her former coach in the hallway. And she was telling her a good story. And she’s like, yeah, we were holding hands. And I just think it’s sweet. That’s just how she is. She just is so outgoing with her love. And then she’s the most enthusiastic on her volleyball team. So she’s screaming like. fight fight you guys keep fighting you know and she’s yelling on the sidelines and always full of energy but what’s interesting is my husband’s watching and he’s like why is she doing that why can’t she just toss the ball back in why does she have to toss it that high and do this and why does she have to you know slap that girl on the butt when they’re in the circle you know because then the girls are laughing about it or she picks her up and like whips the girl around in a circle when they score or High fives him like triple high fives him and has a special chest bump where they jump in the air. And he’s like, he’s trying to make her little. He’s trying to make her less than. He’s trying to take her glitter off. He’s trying to take her sparkle away. Like she’s a strawberry starburst. Like let her be a strawberry starburst. She doesn’t want to be a lemon.

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You know, like sometimes there’s safety and conformity. And you have that reaction of dim your life. yes dim your light it’s like no no wear sunglasses give him sunglasses and let him you know have prepare to be able to enjoy your light and we are too shrinking because we’re afraid of what people say and I’m like you can’t keep up I’m out You want to have, you know, I’m not going to shrink. You need to wear sunglasses. Maybe get two, you know.

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Who doesn’t love to be with her? Like she’s my favorite person to go on vacation with. She will be, we’re almost out of time, but she will be at Disneyland or Disney World right behind Mickey’s car dancing like she’s in the parade. Like the parade’s over, right? But she’s going to follow the parade. So you think she’s in the parade because she’s going to dance with the parade. You know, she is the parade. Dr. CherylLentz.com. Thank you, friend. Absolutely. Have a great day.

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SPEAKER 04 : 14:43

Hey there, friends. Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Joining us today is Michelle Howe. She is the author of The Humble Life. Welcome, Michelle.

SPEAKER 05 : 14:51

It’s so good to be here, Angie. I’m looking forward to our talk.

SPEAKER 04 : 14:54

I am as well. So tell us about The Humble Life.

SPEAKER 05 : 14:57

Well, as with all the books I’ve written through these many years, it’s been a personal journey for me when I started studying all the verses of humility throughout the Bible, and then I kept going back to the Gospels. And how Jesus, no matter where he was, what people group he was speaking to is, you know, apostles or nonbelievers or the Jewish leaders. He was powerful and righteous as our God, but he always exhibited a spirit of humility when he spoke to people, especially to those who were weak and sick and, you know, the outcast. And especially with his apostles and the people he was talking to. But there was so much to glean from just the Gospels and all the lessons that Jesus taught that I felt just compelled to study it. And that’s really how this book was birthed.

SPEAKER 04 : 15:51

I love that. All right. Tell us about you, Michelle. Who is Michelle Howe?

SPEAKER 05 : 15:55

Well, I live in Michigan. We’re about 45 minutes south of Detroit. We’ve lived like on a farm for the last 35 years. I’m married. We have four adult children and six grandchildren. And I’ve been writing for 38 years now. So it’s a long, long time. But I’m in my 60s. So, yes, I’m old. And that’s why I’ve accumulated so many books and articles and such.

SPEAKER 04 : 16:19

I love it. And so you’ve got quite, you know, you’ve really got some roots there. And, you know, how many other books have you written?

SPEAKER 05 : 16:29

The Humble Life makes my 29th book. Wow.

SPEAKER 04 : 16:33

That is almost one for every year you’ve lived on the farm in Michigan.

SPEAKER 05 : 16:38

Yes, you’re right. I didn’t even think about that. Yeah, in those early days, though, I was usually, well, we homeschooled for like 15 years. We had four kids, so they went K-8 with me, and then they went to a public high school where my husband teaches, and he’s actually been teaching for 39 years, too. So 39 is the number, I guess, this year. But yeah, we love it out here, and yeah. God has really been faithful to us, and we’ve had a really rich life in terms of ministry and people, and it’s been good.

SPEAKER 04 : 17:09

I love it. All right, I’m looking at some of your chapters, and I talk to my kids a lot about being humble. They’re all in high school right now, and they’re all athletes, and there’s a lot of bragging in social media these days, and so I always tell them that it’s best to be humble and just save their life. you know, efforts for the court or the swimming pool or the whatever, you know, and I chapter four, you said the God word heart speaks with you humility. Let’s talk about that a little.

SPEAKER 05 : 17:39

Well, throughout the book, of course, there’s going to be humility in all the passages I share. But the big thing is looking at every event, every circumstance, every situation. And interestingly, my husband has been a coach for 39 years. So our kids have been involved with lots of athletics, too. And there’s that fine line of being confident that you can accomplish something and being prideful. And we know where that line is as adults, kids, not so much. But I think throughout the book, as we study what Jesus did, how he spoke, what his priorities were, it was always other oriented. And when I talk about that, it means always thinking of someone before yourself. So if we’re rightfully humble before the Lord, we know our limits. Even if we do have great skills and maybe we’re really bright, whatever your skill set is, you can be confident to a point that you always have to remember that the Lord gave you the brain he gave you here. He gave you the body and the skill set. And even more down to, you know, the foundation is if you were born in our country, you were blessed. because we have so much in comparison to many other areas of the world. But it’s all in God’s sovereignty where he places us. And yet, what are we supposed to do? Everything unto the glory of God. And the good, the bad, the ugly, whatever we’re facing, we have to trust that God has got his hand in it. He’s a God that’s a God of the details. So like your kids, they can be really good at something. But it is a moot point if they’re prideful. And I think a lot of the book, It talks about the dangers and the sin of pride. So there’s a lot of lessons to learn. It’s not just about being humble, but it’s also what are we if we’re not humble? Well, we’re prideful or we’re selfish or we’re self-interested. So it explores a lot of different facets of this topic.

SPEAKER 04 : 19:36

If you’re just joining us, Michelle Howe is the author of The Humble Life, Walking with Jesus Through the Gospels. We’re just talking about humility. What are some of the other chapters you think are points you make in the book that are worthy of really pointing out in our discussion today?

SPEAKER 05 : 19:53

Well, one thing, and you started it, was the whole idea of social media and how it really encourages self-absorption in most people. Yeah. I mean, it can be used as a great tool. It really can be if we use it properly. But going back to my husband as a teacher of high school students, and he said almost all of them are addicted to their phones, so they have to put their phones away when they enter his classroom. But it’s like almost a drug to them. And we’ve had many discussions, and I think this book talks about that. What are your priorities? Where are the bends of your heart honed in on? Is it affirmation from other people? Is it getting likes rather than dislikes? I mean, your whole world, when you talk about social media, can be bound up on what’s online, and that’s so dangerous. And also, it’s very telling if that’s where we get our value from, because we know from the Word of God that we are His children, and our value is that we are children of God, and we are all worth immensely what He has made us. But it doesn’t matter what other people think about us. And then you go back to the topic of humility. When we get so enmeshed in caring about what everyone else thinks about us, it really is its own form of pride. And people will say, well, I don’t have good self-esteem. And the Bible doesn’t really talk about having self-worth. God tells us what we’re worth. It’s the world that’s all about self-care, self-worth, you know, self, self, self, self, self. It’s a me, me, me mentality. So this text really goes into that, all different circumstances, all different situations, all different seasons of life. We’re going to see how Jesus really dismantled that misleading idea that we have to please everyone else, because Scripture tells us we are to love the Lord our God with all our heart, our soul, and our mind, and to please Him first, and then everything else will fall into place, including relationships.

SPEAKER 04 : 21:53

Mm-hmm. In The Humble Life, in Chapter 17, you talk about the humble use their gifts for kingdom purposes. I think a lot of us forget about that.

SPEAKER 05 : 22:04

Yeah, and you know, I think, too, in a typical church today in America, I think we make, what is my gift? What is God’s will for me? How do I use my gifts? How do I find out where I should be serving? Way too complicated. And I like to tell people, you know, first pray. Say, Lord, I don’t even really know where I’m gifted. Please show me. Please help my family or my friends or the people that I fellowship with to help me understand myself and where I could be most effective in a church. Because we know from Scripture that each of us has been given at least one gift, one spiritual gift. Most people have more than one, I would guess. And, you know, you just have to go where you see a need. And that’s what I tell people. If you’re in a church fellowship and they need somebody to work in the nursery and you’re good with babies, go for it. You know, if you’re somebody who’s super friendly, you’re an extrovert, be a greeter. If you’re somebody who has a compassionate, caring heart for the sick, be that person who goes to the hospital or to a senior home and spends time with them. I mean, you just look around your world and find the needs. And as you prayerfully ask the Lord to show you, he will show you and give you opportunities to love and serve others. Will it be glamorous? No, but most of service is never glamorous. It’s just picking up, and as Elizabeth Elliott says, just do the next thing. And the next thing may be cleaning up the kitchen or driving your child to a soccer practice or going down the street to a neighbor who’s been sick and just saying, can I clean your house for you? It’s those daily things, daily responsibilities, and we just have sensitive hearts and eyes that see, and you know the Lord will open it up before you.

SPEAKER 04 : 23:45

And I love that. Being humble, you kind of touched on this a little bit when we were talking about being humble, you know, with the kids as athletes. And the humble, you say in Chapter 20, are self-sacrificial givers. And I think that even as Christians, we have a hard time with, you know, putting others first and being self-sacrificial givers. I mean, the birthday cake comes out and don’t we want the piece with the corner piece with the most icing or don’t we reach for the biggest chocolate chip cookie? I mean, I see my kids do it all the time. They always want the best one.

SPEAKER 05 : 24:18

Yeah, I agree with you. And that’s not just that’s not just the child. syndrome. That’s an adult syndrome.

SPEAKER 04 : 24:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER 05 : 24:24

Yeah. I think, well, you know, it’s so true. And I think we have to fight that. And I think that’s one thing that book shows people how to do too, is we learn the disciples when they met Jesus for the first time, didn’t realize that they were going to be learning from him for three years, that he was going to take them to through every kind of circumstance to show and reveal what their heart was really made of. And oftentimes when we read these accounts of the disciples of Jesus, he was, you know, really rebuking them for either not seeing the situation clearly or being prideful or being arrogant or callous or being envious or being lazy. You know, and you look back even to when he saw that all the disciples’ feet were dirty because no one in that home had a servant that would wash their feet. And of course, in that time when they walked on those dusty roads, their feet were filthy. And he got up and did that. And, you know, shames all the disciples. And then, you know, he’s just telling them through his life, think of other people before you think of yourself. But it’s something we learn, and it’s going to be two steps forward, three steps back, all through our life. But we have to be on that upward, you know, track towards being more like Jesus. It begins in the heart, and then it bleeds out through the words. and our feet and our actions, but it’s a slow process, and I think sometimes we get discouraged when we fail, but Jesus knows we are but dust, and we just go to him, we ask forgiveness, and we get up and keep moving, and he will give us more opportunities just like he did with the disciples when they blew it, and they blew it all the time just like we do, but it was just a progressive sanctification, a progressive growth in holiness, and that’s what we want to see in our own lives and in our family’s lives.

SPEAKER 04 : 26:14

Now, in terms of the book, I’m sure you speak and travel around. What kind of feedback are you getting on The Humble Life?

SPEAKER 05 : 26:22

Well, I will tell you, first I’ll say when I was writing it, I was very convicted because I would never think of myself as being a prideful person, not at all. But then when I started really digging into scripture and I started studying the through the Gospels, as Jesus was conversing and, you know, giving examples and lessons, I thought, oh, my, I was mightily convicted because I thought my humility quotient was way too low because there’s things. And as an example is sometimes we balk at doing a nasty chore, something we’ve done over and over and over. We just don’t want to do it again. We don’t want to do it. And why is that person always asking me to do it? It might be somebody at work or somebody in your church. It could be somebody in your family. And you feel like I’ve done this 50 times, please someone else take over. But then when you see Jesus, the son of God, God himself, you know, serving us to the point of death, you’re like, and I’m complaining because I have to take out the garbage again, or I have to help that person at work who doesn’t listen when I tell them, you know, 34 times how to do something, it gets weary, but it just reveals our hearts. And that’s what I’m hearing. from people over and over is that I thought I was pretty humble. I’m not. I’m not. And the Lord is showing me situation by situation how far I still have to grow in this whole area.

SPEAKER 04 : 27:45

I love it. All right. I want to make sure, Michelle, that people can find you in all of your 29 books, including The Humble Life. Where do they go to get more info?

SPEAKER 05 : 27:56

The book is on Amazon. It’s also on ChristianBook.com. It’s at all booksellers, but I am on social media, all social media. So if anybody plugs in my name, you will find me. And I love to respond and converse with readers. So check me out on any of the social media sites and you’ll find me.

SPEAKER 04 : 28:12

Excellent, Michelle Howe with an E at the end. Thanks, Michelle. Thank you. Have a good afternoon.

SPEAKER 02 : 28:18

Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.