Ep. 1663 – The Good News with Angie Austin – DR CHERYL LENTZ, HOW TO BE A GOOD HUMAN / Kathy Guillermo Peta, What Is Happening to Horses in the Racing Industry
In this episode of The Good News, Angie and Dr. Cheryl dive into the intricacies of parenting as the ultimate leadership role, drawing insightful parallels with professional environments. Listen as they dissect the unruly happenings at a basketball game, reveal five truths people often overlook in life, and discuss major issues in the horse racing industry with PETA’s Kathy Guillermo.
00:00:01 Introduction with Angie and Dr. Cheryl Lentz
welcome to the good news with angie austin now with the good news here’s angie hello welcome to the good news with angie austin and friend today dr cheryl lentz the academic entrepreneur joining us hey cheryl hey hey hey how is everybody today happy spring oh i am great and uh i want to talk to you a little bit about some painfully clear truths that we always uh forget
SPEAKER 04 :
too soon in life so just some things that’ll help us you know maybe live a better life and then you’ve got something that sounds pretty interesting it’s the how to be a good human series i’d like to be a good human what’s this all about well it’s very interesting that a friend and i were getting really annoyed about all of the things and it’s always in the wind of what it means to be a good human and it’s very similar to what you’re reminding people about what it was like to play as a good kid in kindergarten in the sandbox to share your toys to be nice to be kind to smile all those things. I’m sorry that we’re seemingly missing and all the niceties and all the manners. And I was equipping to my friend once. It’s like, maybe I just need to teach a class and how it is to be a good human. And he just kind of, he goes, you know, you might not be too far off. So he and I are partnering on May 2nd and we’re going to give some gentle reminders of what it’s like to be able to be human and to see if we might catch a little bit more kindness and smiling than some of the, not so nice stuff that’s in the news these days.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s interesting because I saw a business speaker talking about the soft skills that they can’t teach you. They can teach you how to run the computer and use Microsoft Word, but they can’t teach you to be ethical and to arrive on time and have a good work ethic. These things like you learned as a kid with your parents, like with sports practice, when the kids don’t want to go, they have to go because they made a commitment. You know, so we’re teaching them to be responsible, to honor commitments so that you can’t just quit your team because you don’t feel like playing, you know, all of a sudden, you know, that you have to honor those commitments. Exactly. be on time, good work ethic, treat others well, don’t lie at work, be respectful of your coworkers, don’t backstab people, like all these things about being a good human, they also make you a really good employee, good boss, good husband, spouse, mother, sister. They make you just better at everything you do.
SPEAKER 04 :
So that’s why we’re thinking that perhaps, particularly as a professional educator, that if you can’t assume that we come with these skills in our toolbox, So now instead of getting frustrated and banging my head against said wall, I’m going to see if I can do something. And maybe these gentle reminders might just, you know, they pay it forward, right? We have to remind people to be kind. And as soon as one person does it, then there’s a whole flood. If it makes your day, why can’t we be like that more every day? And so that’s what we’re doing. But it’s just so funny that, I have to teach somebody how to be a good human. I mean, that’s just kind of incredible, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. But, you know, I am seeing at so many of these events that we attend with other families. This weekend we attended an event and I thought about their kid who was maybe 16, how she’s already on the path to not being a good human. So there’s like a family maybe of eight or more. I don’t know if it was like grandmas, grandpas, whatever, kids, parents. And there was a girl sitting next to us, and we were on our team’s side, which I prefer to be divided from the other team, because particularly in basketball, it gets kind of nasty. The first call, the ref had to tell the guy that was yelling at him, he said, look, it’s the first call of the game. We’re not going to have this. You’re here to cheer, and that’s all you’re here for. And he kind of set the tone right away. Well, this kid sitting next to my husband on the wrong side with her family, they bring in a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken and they’re passing it around and eating Kentucky Fried Chicken in the stands, which gross. I’ve never seen somebody do that before. Usually if you have a little snack in the stands, it’s kind of, you know. Yes, thank you. That’s the word I’m looking for. Yes, not a giant bucket of chicken you’re passing around and all your greasy napkins thrown all over and invading our space. So there’s that. And then they’re on the wrong side. So they’re cheering and they were just whooping our teams behind because our girls were 14 and 15. And our girls were so good in that whatever age range that they bumped up to 17s. So they’re playing against junior and senior varsity players. And my daughter is a little freshman. Well, she’s a great ball handler, but, you know, she’s just how these girls are towering over her. So anyways, like 60 to 20 or something like that. Right. And my husband says, my daughter, oh, that was a good move. Well, it must have been against their their daughter, which interestingly enough, you Our daughter said, oh, the player actually said to me that was a really good move because she was able to get around her because she’s so fast with the ball. But then this 16-year-old kid sitting, the sister of the player, starts giving my husband these dirty looks and laughing at him. And then he’s really into basketball. She was like, oh, well, that was a travel. And then she looks at me again. She’s like laughing and smirking. So he leans over to me, and I’m with my 82-year-old grandmother who uses a walker. So we’re with this handicapped grandma and this girl’s snarking at us. And so my husband said, oh, my gosh, this kid is really giving me the eye. And I look over and she’s again laughing and smirking. Well, then her family like turns on us like a bunch of like rabid raccoons. The mom’s like, how dare you point at my daughter and you can’t talk to her. And here’s what is the bad human part. She knew her family couldn’t see her face. So she totally wanted to mess with us. And I said to my husband, wow. Be a kid and to be that brave and disrespectful that you want to mess with another family and not have your family see what you’re doing. So I stood up and I stood in front of my husband because he was getting into it with the parents. And the dad’s like, just look at the scoreboard. Look at the scoreboard. And I’m thinking, she’s fantastic. 15, guys, your kid’s like a senior. My kid’s a freshman. So anyway, big deal. So anyway, I look at my husband in front of him and I grabbed his shoulders because he was on the first step so I could get right in his face. And I said, let’s move. She’s not going to stop making faces. And this is basically where they’re beneath us. This is beneath us, this behavior. We don’t even need to engage. and i had my headphones on so i so because i i don’t want to hear that stuff cheryl there’s so many bad humans in the stands that i wear i wear noise um canceling headphones in the stand so i don’t have to hear all the comments and so i probably said that really loud because i had my headphones on and i think that’s when the parents realized that their daughter was like provoking us and they saw that i was trying to calm the situation down And so my husband didn’t want to move, but then it stopped because the mom told the kids to all stop, even though the mom was involved in it. And so I thought, gosh, I wonder, like, if you’re raising a kid like that, who’s obviously not being a good human, just the guts that a kid has to, like, mess with us behind her parents’ back and then have the whole family turn on us. Like, we are somehow harassing the kid, right? And I thought, well, that’s her face, it’s her smirking, her laughing, you know, and giving us the side eye and a smile like, ha ha, I got you in trouble. And she’d maybe 16 maybe.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m doing a keynote on May 1st, the day before, and it’s all about leadership and we’re starting it with parenting because most of my kids who are, you know, my students who are parents don’t consider parenting leadership. I’m like, honey, that’s the most important leadership job you’ll ever have.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh my gosh, are you kidding me?
SPEAKER 04 :
If you don’t do this correctly, you’re going to get the 16-year-old smart aleck in public that the moms should be embarrassed about if she values that behavior. But the problem is, is if the parents don’t value and don’t correct it, the child grows up believing that’s acceptable.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Yes, exactly. And then her family even backed her, you know. But I was glad that I said she’s going to keep making those faces and doing that. So, you know, so then I think that that’s when they realized, oh, well, there’s a reason why they’re looking over here at our daughter. And again, it wasn’t like a five, six, eight year old kid. This is like a 16 year old. This is the age of the high school kid, you know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Anyway, it’s time to be able to model because what people don’t often realize with leadership, it’s not just what we say. It’s what other people watch us say. Those children are watching everything you and the parents, both hers and yours, are doing. And when you see people doing bad things, children grow up thinking, well, they’re adults. They must know better. So I guess it’s okay. No, it’s not okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Imagine getting your family in an argument like that. It’s like you’re already winning 60 to 20. Why do you have to mess with us? I would love to see a coach.
SPEAKER 04 :
that would actually bring all the parents in and say, all right, kids, I’m going to talk to you for a minute. And then they’re like, parents, listen up. We’re going to talk to you, too. This is not how you behave when you’re in public.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s what the ref did. I wish I would have gotten a chance to talk to him because he literally stopped the very first play, the very first foul. He’s like, this is the first foul of the game. We’re not going to do this. You’re only here to cheer. You know, so and loudly he said it. Oh, and then he gave the other coach on the other team two technicals. For whatever he was saying to the ref was so inappropriate per the ref’s discretion. He felt it was so inappropriate. He gave him two technicals. And I did feel that maybe some of the girls should have been given technicals, too. There was one that something happened and the girl was on the ground and she got right in her face and clapped really hard, right in her face, like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And I’m like, oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 04 :
Those kinds of things we need to deal. And if the coaches won’t correct it, that is a coaching issue. Then the refs have to coach. You can see how.
SPEAKER 05 :
But the coach is getting technicals.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know it. I know it. That’s my point is that if you can’t mirror good behavior, then I don’t care how good of a coach and how good of a winning streak you might have. That is not appropriate behavior. But some people will think. That Machiavellian, the ends justifies the means. As long as you’re winning, I don’t care how, just win. And I’m like, yeah, no, the how’s pretty important here, coach.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, but what’s interesting is they only lost by this particular team in this other game with the technicals because we played this guy and then he played another team. Whatever. So with the technicals, they only lost by a few points. Their coach may have lost the game for them with his technicals. Like you need to apologize to those kids and say, you know what, I really messed up. And, and to get a second one in the game, he obviously can’t like control his anger. And I’m just, this whole, how to be a good human thing. I do believe it starts with the parenting. And I think that this could really be something, Cheryl. I think this could go somewhere.
SPEAKER 04 :
Just completely. What do we need to do to correct this behavior? I am a professional educator. I am tired of my students doing these things. I’m tired of people not seeing the connection between really being a jerk and not performing in work and hurting someone’s feeling. And you don’t see how the two are connected or, You break up or there’s family strife or stress. I’m like, this all comes down to personal accountability. And so I was really being just a smart aleck in the moment. He’s like, you might be on to something. So we’re going to try this and see if I can’t in the moment offer, because if we show up differently, they will show up differently. Just like that ref who said, no, no, no, no. First game. This is how it’s going to play, boys and girls. You play nice. You’re done.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I like and I like the whole idea of maybe even relating it to business because you are a professional speaker, like how to be a good human and how that relates to business, you know, and how to be.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m not sure how it’s going to go. But the day before we’re talking about parenting as leadership and the rest of it. And there’s so much in the wind. I’m going, all right, if I need to use my platform to speak, I am not opposed to being able to have to remind people of the things that happen every day that I don’t know if they even see it. Angie, if you wouldn’t have pointed it out to this family. Would they have even taken notice that this was inappropriate behavior? I don’t know.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Yeah. Why did they think that we were looking at their daughter? Because she was totally messing with us. You know what I mean? Like, why were we looking? Why did my husband say something to me? And then I look over at her to see her smirking and laughing, you know, and making little faces at us to, like, make fun of, like, you know, our team or whatever. I don’t know, but…
SPEAKER 04 :
think about the culture I was making stuff because we went to the Elite Eight in basketball this year for the University of Illinois and it was very funny in which schools we played and there was one school in particular that I do not like their fans because of how they behave I will go to this other school’s fan like the University of Nebraska I don’t care what sport win or lose I’ll buy them a beer we go and they’ll be sitting right next to you in the stands and it doesn’t matter and you have such a good time win or lose they are amazing you have some other schools which I will not name And I don’t even want to go to the games because they’re just so horrific, so elitist, so poorly behaved, win or lose. They typically do a lot of winning, which is where some of their arrogance comes. But they’re just not nice people. And I’m thinking, oh, that’s bad.
SPEAKER 05 :
Here’s what I don’t get. How does that improve their self-esteem that someone that they know or that they cheer for is a good athlete? Like, here’s my husband, 6’6″, and a great athlete. He trains my kids every day. He’s starting to get up. I’m on school days now at 530 with one of my daughters to shoot baskets and he already did it on the weekends. They get up at 530 because that’s the only time they can get the gym to themselves to shoot. And so on school days, they’re getting up at 530 in the morning on work days and going to shoot. OK, so that guy is saying how much better he is than us, that family. But the dad was saying, look at the scoreboard. And he’s a short little fat guy. And I’m looking at my husband who could beat him in a game, you know, any any day of the week. But he thinks he’s better because his 17 year old daughter’s team is winning. It’s so bizarre to me that people can wait. All right. We have to take a break. We have to take a break and we’ll be right back. Let’s keep talking about how to be a great human. And then also this topic that I love. Five painfully clear truths we always forget too soon in life. Be right back.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, Dr. Cheryl Lentz and I, Angie Austin here with The Good News, we are talking about her new speaking event, How to Be a Good Human. Okay, and so I love this. I just think this could go somewhere. So let’s wrap this up with you, and then we’ll go on to our five painfully clear truths we always forget too soon in life. So what else do you want to say to wrap up How to Be a Good Human?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I tell my students all the time, if you don’t shoot, you can’t score. And so I want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. And so this is where this series has come up to see if we can’t try and change some of the behavior and plant some seeds that people would have a really good time with some of these things rather than behaving poorly, which we’ve seen. So that’s what we’re trying to fix.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, I love this. We could talk about this for days. So after you do the event, I want to talk to you about the feedback and how it went, etc. Okay, so let’s talk about these painful truths. Five painfully clear truths we always forget too soon in life. There’s five of them, but there’s a couple that resonate with you and me. You really like five, and I really like… Let me just go through them, and then we’re going to really in-depth discuss the ones that really touch our soul. Number one, life is relatively short and nothing is guaranteed. Oh, isn’t that the truth? And whenever my kids say, I mean, this is going to sound kind of arrogant on my part, but whenever they’re like, well, the kids at school, you know, think we’re rich. And I go, you’re not rich. We are.
SPEAKER 04 :
That is really, oh, I love that. I love that. They understand that the helping hand is at the end of their wrist, not yours and supplying. That’s fantastic.
SPEAKER 07 :
If they drive like my new car or people drop them off at our house, we have, you know, a decent house and they’ll be like, Well, the kids on the team say I’m rich. You’re not rich. We are. I know it sounds so snotty of me, but it’s not.
SPEAKER 05 :
These kids, they’re not better than other kids because other kids’ parents are poor. They’re all equal. They’re all starting off from scratch in life. So stop being, you know, fully yourselves because you have a pool or whatever, right? All right. Now, number two, everything will change again soon. I’ve talked about that a lot lately, how we don’t like to embrace change, but it’s happening all the time. And then my favorite, Changing your response is what puts you back in control. And then life storms can be a source of long-term strength. Boy, my difficult childhood and your background, that’s a source of strength for us. And then let’s just jump to yours. You can discuss yours and then I’ll move on to mine. You don’t need all the answers right now. Why does this really connect with you? You don’t need all the answers right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is coming up in a lot of my classes. It’s a concept known as thinking gray, is being able to suspend judgment, to be able to look at being present in the moment without evaluating it, without judging yourself or others, and just to be able to be in the moment. Just how they had it in that phrase of being able to say, we don’t want to get to the end. We want to be able to enjoy having our wings, being able to enjoy the moment of stretching and growing. And sometimes we don’t enjoy the pain because it’s not pleasant, but If we changed our focus and we enjoyed the moment, it wouldn’t have that judgment because judgment is against is a matter of what was or what could be in the moment is pure. And if we can just stay in that moment, enjoy everything, then we wouldn’t have that judgment. And I think that is just beautiful.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. How about I like that, too. I like that, too, that life that I just feel like people can’t make a decision because they feel they can’t make a choice because they don’t feel like they have the answers. But by not making a decision, you’re making a decision.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. So why do you have to in that moment? Can’t you just find the joy, find the gratitude, find the ability to enjoy that moment? Because sometimes when we aren’t so busy trying to look for answers. The clarity comes in that moment, the relaxation, the joy, the happiness. And we can go, oh, so that’s what it’s all about. You know, life is a journey, not a destination, not where we get to, but what we enjoy in the moment. And I think that is the hardest skill is not to worry about the past or the future and just Be in that space. That’s a hard skill for me.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I think so many of us worry about making the right choice or decision. Gather all the information you can and then make the best decision at that moment. But then if you veered off course, you can grab the steering wheel and make another decision when you get more info. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think that’s also, it’s kind of like deciding what you want to be when you grow up. You don’t just get one choice. I’ve had eight different careers so far. I’m probably going to do it again. But it’s a question of we have these societal norms of what everyone says that’s acceptable. As long as you’re not hurting anyone and you’re following acceptable behavior, give yourself a little grace. Give yourself a little fun to be able to enjoy the moment instead of being so serious. Because I think this is what our previous conversations have been about. Everybody gets so wrapped around the axle. Couldn’t we have focused just on the basketball game and enjoying to watch these? Yes. And we could have made great comments on both sides regardless of what team and regardless of the outcome. That’s what being a good human is all about, and we forget that part.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and I just want to enjoy it. That’s why I wear the headphones. I just want to enjoy my kid and be proud of my kid, even if they’re losing by 40 points. She is such a good player, and they were walloping all these other teams, and that’s why they moved up. I don’t know why they took them from 15s to 17s, but they were doing so well in their division that it wasn’t even a challenge for them anymore. with kids their own age. So now they’re getting their tails handed to them, you know, because they’re getting beaten so badly.
SPEAKER 04 :
But I mean, how many of those students or those parents in the stands have never played basketball? I never know. It’s such an awe. I know. I’m going, can you do that? Could you do that at her age? Then shut up. Right. Enjoy the fact that they’re demonstrating skill that I’m lucky. I can put the darn ball in the basket, just standing there. Not when you’ve got 12,000 people around you. Right. And so can’t we just be,
SPEAKER 05 :
impressed and enjoy not arrogant not evaluative not judgmental just wow isn’t it cool what god gave them as gifts that they can share with us instead of us complaining you know well this changing your response of the five we just went through number three is mine changing response is what puts you back in control i have um my temper takes longer to flare than my husband’s And so I can usually get situations like under control or like if there’s a family disagreement, I’m usually more the voice of reason, you know, but it takes about 10 minutes for me to lose my temper. It takes him about 10 seconds. And I mean 10 minutes of constantly someone going at me. you know what I mean? It takes me, it would take me a long time. Like I’ve never lost my temper, like a family, a game event, anything like that. Like I’m usually the one that can calm things down. And so changing your response, and I haven’t always been that way. I had a much hotter temper when I was younger. Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well done. You’ve worked at it. And it’s self-discipline.
SPEAKER 05 :
So changing your response is what puts you back in control. And I just think this also has to do not just with getting angry and responding calmly, but just in general in life, changing how you respond to so many things can just give you more gratitude and to show more gratitude and to be more empathetic about what people may be going through. I’ve been taking my mom to the Lazy River at the Rec Center, and she also has a really hot temper, and she’s known to yell at kids. And so in the Lazy River, she’s going to get bumped. And so I said, look… We’re going to go at a time when kids are in there, not just senior citizens, and they are going to bump into you. So I don’t want you getting angry and yelling at these kids like I had to kind of prep her. And she actually was really good. She was kind of joking with the kids.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s awesome. And then it becomes a non-brainer when you are prepared and you can choose some of those skills. I think that’s brilliant. It did exactly the right thing. And look at the outcome it had. That’s fantastic.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. All right, Dr. Cheryl Lentz, your website?
SPEAKER 04 :
DrCherylLentz.com.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, always a thrill and always a thrill to, you know, show how we can care more for animals. Changing gears here, you know, we are big animal fans here at The Good News. And recently I was in Kentucky and I visited the location of the Kentucky Derby and went to the Churchill Downs Museum and I didn’t learn any of this that we’re going to learn next. What exactly is happening to horses in the racing industry? PETA is calling for simple changes to spare the lives of these horses. Joining us is Kathy Guillermo, Senior Vice President of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Welcome back, Kathy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, just two years ago, I understand a dozen horses died during the Triple Crown season. What’s happening in horse racing now and why should people be concerned? Because I have to tell you, I was just at…
SPEAKER 03 :
um uh churchill downs and i went through their museum and i didn’t see anything about this kind of story it’s not the kind of thing they really like to publicize and i think they would have been very happy if nobody noticed but the headlines were huge so they couldn’t ignore it um that we have seen some improvements i still would like churchill downs to to do more than they have done uh they have uh examine the surface of the track to see if that’s anything to do with it. But the one thing that I haven’t seen that I would love to see is the end of the use of medication for racehorses. If they need medication, then they shouldn’t be racing at all. We know that 90% of these broken bones that lead to the deaths of the horses are caused by pre-existing injuries that was covered up by the use of painkillers and anti-inflammatories and these kinds of medications. So all of these drugs should be disallowed from racing.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, it’s amazing to me because I consider myself to be fairly well-versed on news. I’ve been doing this for 30 years. And I really wasn’t aware of these types of issues with drugging animals that are really not at their prime. There’s such an investment in these animals that they want to look the other way because the investment becomes more important to them than the animal.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I think all too often that is the case. You’ve got a very expensive animal. And if that animal is not racing, then there’s really no chance of income. And in the meantime, the horse is taking up stall space, is using training fees. And certainly the very expensive veterinarians who have become so common in the racing industry that, you know, most horses will have something like 15 to 25 injections in the weeks leading up to the race. And all of that is legal. There have been some tightening of the drug rules, and certainly in California we’ve seen some great improvements. But still, I believe horses need time to recuperate, and if they need that medication, they should not be racing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, heartbreaking. In general, just give us some things you think the racing industry could do better.
SPEAKER 03 :
There are some simple measures that they could take. And we’ve seen some of this at the tracks in California. They need to be looking at the records of every single horse. Has that horse had a layoff from racing that was perhaps several months long? That would indicate an injury and that horse needs special scrutiny. What medications has that horse been on? The horses should be observed when they’re training or even when they’re just walking or trotting around the stable area. The other things that they can do are pretty simple, too, although some are expensive. It’s worth it to spare these horses. The dirt tracks should be converted to safer synthetic tracks surfaces because we know that fewer die that way. There is now portable, cutting edge, low radiation CT scan equipment and horses can be run through this easily without being anesthetized and that can detect injuries that might not otherwise show up. We think that the veterinarian should be not running around the tracks writing prescriptions for every horse on a daily basis. If a horse needs medication, there can be a central pharmacy at the track as there is in Hong Kong, which has the best safety record in the world. And that way, medication can be taken into consideration and can be observed by track officials. And in addition to that, let’s get rid of the whip. It’s time to stop beating these horses to make them run faster. That’s not something we should ever see in a sport involving animals.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, in terms of anything we can do or where we should go to gather more information, so maybe we could help out or we could take action, because I’ve learned a lot from you just today.
SPEAKER 03 :
We have tons of information on our website at PETA.org. That’s P-E-T-A dot O-R-G. We’ve done nine undercover video investigations of the racing industry over the last decade, so you can see exactly what it is we’re talking about. And there are action alerts that people can participate in where people emails are sent to officials or to law enforcement or to whomever needs to hear from us about what should be done. And of course, we’re coming up on Triple Crown season. The Kentucky Derby is Saturday, May 3rd. And as long as horses are dying, it really doesn’t deserve our attention. So don’t watch it on TV. Take a hike, go someplace, do something fun, but it doesn’t have to be watching the race and certainly don’t bet on the race.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I definitely learned more from you, Kathy, than I did last week on my tour at Churchill Downs at the museum. So I feel like I’m a lot more well-versed now, and I will not be watching. So thank you for all you do for animals, and thanks for joining us today.
SPEAKER 01 :
Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
