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Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here’s Angie.

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Hey there, friend. Angie Austin here with the good news along with Dr. Cheryl Lentz, the academic entrepreneur. And we are talking joy today. Dr. Cheryl Lentz, I just love talking to you. It’s been a bit, huh?

SPEAKER 06 : 1:22

It has been a bit in there. Enjoy one of my absolute favorite topics. It’s always a choice. And I have some amazing books to talk to you about today.

SPEAKER 05 : 1:30

Oh, excellent. And I picked a joy topic, coincidentally, because, you know, when we meet up, we just kind of have an idea of what to talk about. And we both chose joy today, which I thought was pretty funny. And anything interesting, any travels, any foreign exchange students? I’ve been traveling a lot, as you know, because we usually kind of keep in touch via text about all that. Anything fun and interesting going on in your life?

SPEAKER 06 : 1:55

Well, I did come back from graduation. I went to Grand Canyon graduation in Phoenix, Arizona about six weeks ago now. First time I’d ever been there. I’ve taught there for more than 15 years. First time I actually had food on the ground. Isn’t that amazing? And one of my graduates was out there. And so I did a kind of a multi-pronged approach as I went to see her. And then I went to also go up to Prescott because I’d never been to Embry-Riddle and their location up there. And I’ve taught for them more than 15 years. So I did a bit of a tour for about five days. And Oh, my gosh, it was magical. Can I just say that? Magical. I mean, Grand Canyon’s graduation, they give Bibles to their graduates when they graduate. It was just amazing, and it’s all with scripture, and it goes really fast, too. I mean, it was quite a few graduates, but they have seven ceremonies, and I was only one of the seven, and ours is amazing. It’s graduation-like week.

SPEAKER 05 : 2:52

And they have a lot of people who study, do distance learning, right, who are online. Absolutely.

SPEAKER 06 : 2:58

Absolutely. And that’s where my students are, because I had worked with I had two graduates in particular. And it was amazing because one of them I had worked with, Dr. Lawrence, more than six years. The other gentleman, Dr. Michael, I’d worked with him for like five and a half. And he’s from Africa. And so to finally get to meet both of them, I’ve worked with them for, you know, almost a half a decade and I’d never met them until that day. And I’ll tell you, it was a little daunting, quite frankly, because it was kind of like being brought home to meet the folks, you know, because their parents were there. His family was there with his young son. And of course he’s trying to be able to use me as an example and a role model for his son and things. And so it was really interesting, but I’ll tell you, It can’t underestimate the power of being in person and to actually have that magic.

SPEAKER 05 : 3:48

That is to meet mom and dad. You know, that is so cool. You know, I think about when I got to meet Michael Pelka in person and you and I still haven’t met in person. And Mike is.

SPEAKER 06 : 3:57

No, and I’m still not met Mike either.

SPEAKER 05 : 4:00

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, it is. It was really cool when you know someone so well and have done. I mean, we did a four hour radio show together and hadn’t met and we knew we’ve known each other for about 10 years. So that was super cool. That was about maybe a year ago or less. And I just wanted to say that you said 15 years you’ve taught for Grand Canyon.

SPEAKER 06 : 4:19

Yeah, at least in there between 15, 18, something like that. I’d have to look at the exact dates.

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My girlfriend, Dr. – pardon me, Beatrice Bruno, the drill sergeant of life, she is in her 60s and has gone back to school. She’s at Grand Canyon and will graduate in 2027, and she’s doing it online. And then she is going to law school. She was a drill sergeant, as I mentioned. And she wants to help veterans. And she probably won’t graduate from law school until she’s in her probably early 70s. I just think it’s so cool.

SPEAKER 06 : 4:50

Oh, it’s amazing. I can tell you, I think my oldest student was 78. And many of them, particularly at the doctoral level, they want to know if they got the chops to do it. Many of them will never practice. They just wanted to know because it was a lifelong bucket lister kind of thing. So occasionally I will have some, and it is phenomenal to be able to work with somebody with that breadth and depth of life experience. It is an honor. I mean, just a privilege because they know more than they think, you know, geez, Louise, that is so cool.

SPEAKER 05 : 5:21

I just, Yeah, I admire her so much, and so I’ve got to tell her. In fact, I’m going to introduce you to her on text.

SPEAKER 06 : 5:27

Oh, please do. I would love to be in her cheerleading spot. That would be absolutely awesome.

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She is the best. All right, so let’s talk joy. You said one of your good friends who went through a life-changing auto accident almost lost her leg and has come back from that, that this book about joy is something that your friend wrote.

SPEAKER 06 : 5:46

Exactly. It’s called Joy Through the Journey is what it’s called by Amberly Lago. Amberly, gosh, I guess it’s been about 10 years now, literally was on a motorcycle and had the most horrific accident you’ve ever heard to man. I mean, it’s just it’s you just wonder how she’s still alive, let alone has her has still her leg because they told her it wasn’t going to make it. And she is stubborn and she has gone through, I don’t know, at least 25, 27 surgeries and stuff like that. And so she’s up and down. And I am just honored and amazed that throughout all of this. that she has maintained such a joyful, the party was always in her room and you had very little to be joyful about. I mean, she’s almost lost her legs. She can’t walk. She’s got all of these surgeries. And now she has, what is it called? Chronic nerve something disease. And I’m sorry, I don’t have the exact name of it, but it’s just absolutely phenomenal. And yet when you meet her, she’s light, she’s magic. She just makes you feel good. She lights up a stage. She’s also a TEDx speaker as well. But you wouldn’t know to see her. Nothing happens to her that keeps her down. Yeah, it slows her down a little bit. But she can be that magical when you don’t have that much magic in you. And yet she is my inspiration and my hero, quite frankly.

SPEAKER 05 : 7:08

Oh, I love that. So what did you learn from her book? And it’s so neat when you can learn joy from someone who’s going through such pain.

SPEAKER 06 : 7:17

Well, I think it’s amazing. Not only have I read her book and met her on stage and spoke with her and we’ve shared a stage together in there. She does a podcast and she does almost weekly, you know, like here’s my inspiration for the week kind of a thing when you sign up on her website. And I’m always amazed how vulnerable she can be. She is not going to blow sunshine up your behind if it’s not appropriate. She will tell you, hey, I’ve had a rough day. Here’s what happened. I couldn’t get up. The tears came. She’s a mom and a wife and a daughter, and it’s funny to see some of these things when you deal with just the normal stressors of the holidays, just the normal stuff. When she gets sick, she gets really sick, and it just takes her out because of her immune system and the rest of it. But yet, when she gets back, she will tell you everything. And I just cry when I read her emotional response going, I’m not that courageous when I’m sick to share it with anybody. And yet she will bring such joy to us going, you know what, hang in there. I know what you’re like. I’m on that side of darkness. And her faith is never shaken. It’s always a, well, here we go again. And she’ll keep pulling herself up by her boots. It doesn’t shake her faith. No, it doesn’t. And she is all about grit. That is her shtick, is the ability of just digging deep and just getting down into the dirty. And she’s willing to share it. She doesn’t blow sunshine. If she’s not feeling good, she’ll tell you. And there are times she’s had to cancel podcasts. because you’ll see that the pain is just overwhelming in her eyes and she goes, not going to happen today, but she will acknowledge it. She will call and talk about the white elephant in the room. And that makes people really want to be around her because we know that life isn’t perfect and she isn’t perfect, but boy, is she strong and boy, is she willing to share in those dark moments and keep us all going. It is just magical.

SPEAKER 05 : 9:03

Wow. I just, um, I admire that so much. So if you could tell us what your takeaway personally that’s helped you from that is, let me know.

SPEAKER 06 : 9:15

I think that is just keeping on and keeping on, that you don’t have to stop what you’re doing, and it’s okay to ask for help, and it’s okay to ask for help publicly. And that’s the hard part I struggle with. is because, you know, I mean, I had a hole in my kayak and my students found that the most amazing thing ever. And the reason they did is like, see, it makes you human. It makes you vulnerable. And the fact that I didn’t panic and I found it a little entertaining, quite frankly, you know, going there ought not to be water in my boat. And I have the ability in the moment to to take a video. Right. And try and let people know life happens to all of us. But most of us only share it when we’re on the other side of it. She shares it with me. Yes.

SPEAKER 05 : 9:57

Yeah, I like to see both sides of it because, you know, you can garner information that may help you with your own life and your own trials and tribulations as you’re trying to climb that mountain. If you’re on social media, you’re like, oh, these are just people who are at the top of the mountain. We often don’t see the tenuous, painful journey to the top.

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And that’s why I think her podcasts, her blog posts, her email always seem to catch me at just the right time. And she admits when she’s less than. She admits when she doesn’t have it all. But when you see her hit and she’s, you know, got everything together on stage, man, can she light up the stage. And you’d think she was 100% healthy and not have a clue that other side of hell she has been through and continues to go through because what she has is she manages a chronic disease that they can’t cure. Mm-mm-mm. So when people are willing to do that, I just think they’re my heroes.

SPEAKER 05 : 10:50

All right. Tell us the name of the book and then tell us how we can find her. A lot of people might want to follow her and find her podcast.

SPEAKER 06 : 10:56

Amberly Lago. So A-M-B-R-L-Y Lago, L-A-G-O. And it’s called Joy Through the Journey. And she will tell you the good, the bad and the ugly. And she’s got from a faith perspective, too. She will tell you she is a God fearing Christian and her faith is what has brought her to this day. And just give me goosebumps, you know.

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All right. I don’t think we’re going to be able to cover the whole topic. So I want to have you back to go over these in more depth. But this is, you know, I love Mark and Angel. It’s three things we often do every day that drain all of our joy and all of our potential. And the first one really stuck with me because. You know, we’re both friends with Jim Stovall, and he always talks about the late, great John Wooden. And one of the things that Coach Wooden would say to him, because they later in John Wooden’s life got to talk on the phone once a week, which, hello, what a beautiful gift that was for Jim. He said that John would say, what would you do next if you were amazing? And what a great way to go through the day. And so the number one on this list is one of the things that drains our joy and our potential is Treating each and every day as though it’s just another day. And I’m guilty of that. Treating each and every day as though it’s just another day.

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Wow, my sorority has a mission that we have to recite as part of our creed. And it’s a today is, you know, the ability for you to treat it that it just isn’t like another day. It’s just the only day that’s ever going to be like that to treat it special with poise and purpose and intention. And so I agree with that because sometimes, particularly if you’re not feeling well or the world’s coming apart or whatever’s going on, we can take ourselves too seriously and get too far myopic, right? You get your caught in the weeds. If you can put your eyes on the Lord, if you can put your eyes on other people who are ahead of you in the process, if you can not treat it like they’re and just treat it as a every day is a gift, boy, your perspective changes. The situation might not, but your attitude does.

SPEAKER 05 : 12:58

Oh, I like that treat every day as if it’s a gift. And I had a girlfriend that used to say, find the gift in every day. And I remember that day I was sitting on at my big kitchen window and there is a deck right outside the window. And I like to feed the birds there until I got banned from doing that for my husband because they were destroying the decking, you know, because they were all landing and fighting and they were big birds. And Anyway, to make a long story short, it was a squirrel and babies. So all the babies were trailing behind. I think there were three trailing behind the squirrel. And I was like, And I was literally three feet from them through the window. And I was like, how often do you get this close? Oh, and I just had another gift of the day, a robin with four eggs that literally was on. As you walked out the door, your head was six inches from the nest because it made the nest on a light next to our front door. And I thought, oh, goodness gracious, we’ve got cats and three dogs. And it’s probably five and a half feet high, this light light. And so I was like, oh, but it was so perfect because rain and snow and wind did not bother this thing because it was, you know, on our porch, which has a big, you know, cover over it. So anyway, all four birds made it and they all left just recently and it was so fun to watch them. And one night the cats were out and they were hunting. Right. So they were trying to jump up to the nest and I couldn’t get them in. So my husband woke me up at like midnight, 1 a.m., scared the daylights out of me. And I’m like, what? And he said, you’ve got to get the cats in to make sure they don’t get these, you know, these eggs at the time. So anyway, that was our little miracle here at our house. All right. Dr. Cheryl Lentz dot com. I’m having you on again to talk about joy soon. Thank you, friend. You’re welcome. Thank you.

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Hello there, Angie Austin here with the good news. We are talking today about the nation’s largest and leading addiction and mental health provider. They’re setting a new standard of care and joining us is an expert in the area, Dr. Joseph Lee, president and CEO of Hazleton Betty Ford. Welcome, doctor.

SPEAKER 07 : 16:09

Thanks for having us on, Angie.

SPEAKER 05 : 16:10

Okay, I have to just say that this is such an area of interest for me, and I have such a heart for people who suffer from addiction. Half of my family does. My dad had his Ph.D., and I basically did not see him for about 35 years. One of my brothers was murdered. The other one is in and out of health care and has been homeless for many years. The other half of my family basically graduated almost top of the class at West Point Military Academy. myself who graduated with honors and worked at my first job was at NBC and on and on. So I see that addiction absolutely destroyed their lives. And I don’t know what was different about us, but I know there was something different and they didn’t get dealt the same hand of deck of cards that I did. So please help everyone understand that this isn’t just like, hey, I want to be an addict. This is something people really suffer from.

SPEAKER 07 : 16:59

Yeah, I think, Angie, thank you very much for sharing how this has impacted your family, because it makes a tremendous impact in our society. Addiction and all the mental health conditions related to it cost hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars a year, and they cause a lot of lost lives, lost productivity, a lot of intergenerational trauma that I think you’re alluding to as well. And right now in the country, while there are some favorable signs early, that opioid overdoses in the country may be decreasing slightly. We still have a quarter of Americans above the age of 18 who struggle with some kind of mental health condition and young people ages 18 to 23 have about half of them have either a mental health or a substance use disorder. And when you talk about families, Angie, this is a fact that people don’t hear a lot. Right now in the country, there are about seven and a half million children who live in a household with a parent that has an active addiction. And you think about that toll that takes, not just on that individual, but on their entire family member. And this is something that affects everybody. And I think everyone, if they really were vulnerable, knows somebody. And we’ve all been impacted in some ways.

SPEAKER 05 : 18:07

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. It’s interesting you say that, that it has an impact on them. I just had a conversation. I had three teenagers, and one of them said, oh, yeah, well, her dad comes home at like 3 o’clock every morning, and he’s always drunk, and he just sleeps on the couch, and they can barely get him out of the car. But she’s okay. It doesn’t bother her because he just sleeps on the couch. I said, no, she’s not okay. I said, you’re in a household where neither of us drink or do any drugs. I’m like, you have no idea how this is going to impact her at some point of her life. She says she’s okay, but it’s not okay. Like, you know, you got to be there for this friend. This is a big deal. So let’s talk a little bit. You gave us some of the stats. Tell me how you guys are, you know, kind of battling this and, you know, what improvements since you are cutting edge, you know, a leader of the pack when it comes to treating addiction.

SPEAKER 07 : 18:51

Yeah. You know, as a, as a leader in the nonprofit space, and I think the nonprofit part is important for 76 years and we carry on the legacy of Mrs. Ford and all the pioneers at Hazelden, our mission started out on a farm and we’ve been evolving our care ever since then. You know, I think first we got to think about the context and the environment that people are in now. I think people these days are more disconnected than ever before. It’s hard for them to trust any kind of source, news source, fact source. When they go on social media, they see idealized images or they see polarized conversations. And so people are truly, truly disconnected. And I think that adds up to a lot of addiction and mental health. And so when we started to develop our services, we wanted to help with some of that fragmented care. We see a lot of people getting medications at one place, therapy at another place, depression treated somewhere, addiction treated somewhere else. Their family members go somewhere else and their kids don’t get any help at all. And how can we connect the dots? How can we help an individual with addiction and mental health at one location, help their family member and their children, stay with them longitudinally, and then not just that, the other part about mental health care that I’m fairly critical of, Angie, is quality control. It’s nothing like mainstream health care. Quality control is so arbitrary, and so people have a hard time trusting the behavioral health care system. Well, it turns out that we have a publishing arm with mountains of intellectual property that’s evidence-based, and we have one of the best data sets in the country for addiction medicine, and we do research with Mayo and Harvard. We have a graduate school, so all our clinicians are incredibly well-trained, and when we put these business units together, we think we can change the conversation and the expectation for what people should demand for behavioral health care.

SPEAKER 05 : 20:31

You know, so interesting you say that. I think about, you know, how many different people you would see for an issue. You know, maybe it’s four experts, you know, the therapist, the doctor, you know, the mental health professional, etc., And so when it comes to the family, how are you guys that explain the treatment plan that you might involve? Because I remember a time and this was probably 20 years ago when my brother brother was in a treatment facility and my mom was placed like in the middle with him. And then everybody was in a circle around and then they had like a conversation, like going over certain issues. And she was livid. She said, I am not the problem. You know, like a mom. It’s a whole family deal. Like they’re trying to get him help by helping us as well. and she just completely did not agree like he is was an arm of our family that was completely cut off that was dismembered that you know had nothing to do with her and so i i really agree with this family treatment plan because the whole family becomes sick in a way um so explain some of the things you do to in your treatment plans it’s very interesting to me yeah you’re absolutely right angie you know i’m a child psychiatrist by training and so as a physician you

SPEAKER 07 : 21:34

I’ve treated families all along. So this model comes from what I did working with youth, young adults and families in my clinical career at our youth and young adult site in Plymouth, Minnesota. And so I used to always say that, you know, my treatment style is like an Italian restaurant. It’s family style. And you really have to work with everybody. Everyone has a role to play. Now, we used to say, you know, back in the day that you got to cut people off and you got to have tough love. And that’s not where the science is right now. Where the science is right now is that you can actually teach family members to be a part of the solution. You can teach them skills. And even if their loved one doesn’t get the help, the family members can still improve their lives. They still have their quality of life to think about. And when you give your family example, a lot of families react that way because so many tragic things happen. And there’s so much stigma around addiction and mental health. Once you start having the conversation that you’re involved, now you’re culpable. Now it goes straight to, oh, you’re saying it’s my fault. And that just stops the dialogue. But imagine on the flip side. Imagine on the flip side if family members and children could understand their role, that it’s not their fault and that they can’t cure it, but that they can learn to heal themselves and that they can be a part of the solution. it changes the dialogue and it reinforces the changes that the patient is undergoing for care too.

SPEAKER 05 : 22:49

Now, I want to get information about where we go for more info. By the way, you mentioned Betty Ford, obviously. I just think I have such an admiration for her because you think about the stigma we have now. Think about seven decades ago, the stigma associated with what she was battling, her addiction. And to actually come forward and go public with it, you know, the amount of shame that she could have inflicted on her family and or her husband, you know, in his place of prestige for her to admit that I have such admiration for her that not only did she get help for herself, but that she was bound and determined to get help for others. And and how great for so many people can’t afford these programs. I mean, if you don’t have insurance. Yeah, I just walk down the streets and see so many people that need to be in, you know, a facility getting treatment for addiction, but they’re homeless and or whatever, you know, these terrible circumstances. But I want to know, how did you get involved in this? I love, you know, I’ve been doing news for 30 years all over the country, and I love to find out why people have a passion for what they do. And I know that you’re not just known for like the science of it. You’re known for like the heart of it, for like the care that you give people, like the love, like the care that you care about your patients. So how did you get involved in this in Minnesota outside of the cities?

SPEAKER 07 : 24:00

Yeah, well, Angie, you know, I’m an immigrant. I grew up in Oklahoma. I did my medical training in North Carolina at Duke, and then I did my fellowship at Johns Hopkins in inner city Baltimore. So I’ve been around to different parts of the country, and I developed a real passion seeing the transformation of people with addiction. I saw the stigma. I saw how they were scapegoated, and they get a lot of side eyes, and they’re mistreated in emergency rooms. And there’s reasons for that. But I also saw the transformation and the change. And that made me a real believer in the kind of care. And then when I started to work with young people, that was it. And I think when you talk about Mrs. Ford, you know, she was a person who spoke at a time when people didn’t even talk about breast cancer because she was also a breast cancer survivor. And when she spoke, a lot of people, millions of people across the country who were scared to speak all of a sudden could stand up and be recognized. And And I know some of your listeners are in the Denver, Colorado area. We’re in nine different states. We have children’s and families programs, and we have inpatient and outpatient and virtual care, and people should look this up. They can go to hearwithyou.org, hearwithyou.org, and see all the resources. But the bigger thing is about the conversation, because going back to we have a children’s program in the Denver area, and these kids come in, and they don’t have a language. And until they come to the children’s program, they think their parents are using substances because they don’t love them. because they’re being bad and it’s heartbreaking heartbreaking to hear these kids and the healing that comes from those family units and how seen these kids feel at the end of it you know if you just multiply that i think therein is the solution to how we get past this mental health crisis and so that’s how we’re trying to change the conversation so this conversation is about our services and what we deliver but also asking people to demand more from behavioral health services and to ask for more resources, because that’s going to take a lot of resources to get people help. And there are a lot of people who are down and out. And there are a lot of people who need help. There are a lot of people who are homeless. But here’s another fact that’s driven by stigma. Most people with addiction and mental health issues are gainfully employed. Actually, the vast majority of them are. And unfortunately, they wait in silence and they suffer alone until it’s too late.

SPEAKER 05 : 26:11

You know, you talk about the stigma, and that’s something that I’m really invested in trying to take away the stigma because if your brother has, you know – cancer. Everyone’s like, oh, you know, I feel so bad for him. Are you visiting him? What’s going on? But oddly enough, yesterday I just came on Facebook. I saw a picture of a guy that murdered my brother popped up and I realized, oh my gosh, he lives right down the road where my son’s going to college. in Boulder, Colorado. And I’m like, oh, whoa, that was a shocker. But if you tell people, oh, my husband or my brother was an addict and, you know, dealt with mental health. He was in the Marines. He saw a lot of yucky things. You know, he was murdered. It’s like, ew, you know, like somehow like you’re tainted, like, ew, what kind of family did you come from that you would have that? But I speak have spoken out about it as I’ve been an adult because there was judgment. And I remember working at NBC when I got the call in the newsroom that he’d been murdered. And people were shocked that I never had brought my brother up because you don’t want to talk about that icky part of your family because somehow you think it taints you. Like you said about when we were talking about Betty Ford. And so I have really spoken out for many years now because I want people to see I’ll be up on a stage speaking about. with people who appear to be homeless or kind of a mess or maybe came from maybe they’re different racially from me. And I said, which person here do you think went through this, this, this, this and this? And no one picked me because I’m like the blonde lady in a suit that looks like she went to Duke. Right. So no one picked me. And I’m like, well, actually, it’s not, you know, Bob, my African-American friend or this person here that looks like maybe she has had a much rougher life than I did. It’s me because that’s not who they associate with addiction. People from you know, that look like me. And that’s why I want to talk about it because it’s all walks of life from the PhD dude to, you know, the person you see on the streets. And when I interview people on my show, who’s over, who have overcome addiction, it’s mind blowing to me, like you said, especially if you can get them early. I mean, a guy that has been living under a bush, you know, outside of the Denver rescue mission, you know, living day to day with, you know, no food, trying to just get his fix now running like a big nonprofit and, thrift store where he’s turning lives around for other people. I mean, what you’re doing for people is life changing. The fact that you’re getting them early is saving us so much money as a society because you’re saving him from eight more rehab treatments later down the road because you’re getting kids. So they’re not going through rehab 10 more times if you can help them when they’re young.

SPEAKER 07 : 28:31

That’s right, Angie. And my heart’s full just hearing you and your advocacy because those voices matter. And I think that changes the conversation. And we all have to speak in unison in this because the majority of people with addiction and mental health issues get well. That’s another thing with stigma is that people think that people don’t get well. And while that happens with any disease condition, it is actually treatable. And there’s a lot of hope for people. And these people in recovery, they don’t call themselves patients. They call themselves alumni because not only is their depression and addiction better, they feel like they’re a part of something. They have purpose in life and they have meaning in life. And I feel like a lot of Americans, when they try to get mental health and addiction care, that’s the kind of spirit they’re looking for.

SPEAKER 05 : 29:09

Yeah, I love it. Thank you, doctor, for all you’re doing for others. And give us again, you mentioned that some of this can be virtual, some of this care. And I want to make sure people know where to go to get additional info.

SPEAKER 07 : 29:22

Yeah, absolutely. Go to herewithyou.org. We have services. And then join us because, you know, we’re really about advocacy. And we’re going to change the conversation together and really appreciate everything you’re doing to raise awareness.

SPEAKER 05 : 29:33

All right. Thank you so much, Dr. Lee. Appreciate it. Great information. And again, thanks for all you’re doing for others. Thank you.

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Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.

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