Join Angie Austin as she chats with Dr. Cheryl Lentz, diving into the 12 quiet daily rituals of enormously successful people. Discover how morning routines, cutting back on busy work, and making daily progress are key elements to achieving success. With engaging anecdotes and personal insights, this episode uncovers the secrets behind maintaining a positive outlook and the importance of mentorship.
Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here’s Angie.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, this is The Good News with Angie Austin. Angie here, along with Dr. Cheryl Lentz, the academic entrepreneur. Hello, friend. Hello, friend. All right, so I sent you this 12 quiet daily rituals of enormously successful people, and I thought this would be right up your alley.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Matter of fact, these are all the things that I do. And I’m like going, if they got a peek through my window, it’s fabulous.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh my goodness. You do all of these. Number one, I looked at number one, Cheryl, and I thought, well, I need to work on that one. Number one for enormously successful people, they have a calm and consistent morning routine. So you really have a morning routine that you follow.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. And it’s funny because it’s all predicated on my dog. My dog has to have medication an hour before she eats. And so I get up. I give her her medication. I go back to sleep. The lights are off. And that’s when I start my meditation. I start looking over my gratitude of what happened the night before. And I look at how I want to set my intention for the day. I sometimes do some deep breathing depending on how I woke up to get my attitude right. But it’s all in that hour. And this way when I give her her medicine when the hour ends because I have alarms for all of this. that’s how I start my day rock and roll wait so you don’t fall back asleep after you give your dog the medication and you get back in bed not typically particularly now with her seizures and stuff that she’s having but no it’s up because it’s usually we get up at 6 a.m every morning I give her her two pills and then I go back to bed but not back to sleep and that’s when I do all of my you know, rituals as you will. And it’s just my quiet time. The house is quiet. The world’s quiet. Sometimes I’ll hear a train, but that’s my time to wake up to set my intention. Because if you wake up in a lousy mood or I wake up with a nightmare or I’m running around because I don’t have my routine, I’m not calm. I’m not, you know, ready to face the day because, you know, suddenly an alarm didn’t go off and I’m just haggard or just, you know, I just can’t do it. I need to have that routine. It brings me a lot of comfort and gets me started on the right foot.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, I can’t believe that you wouldn’t fall back asleep. If I turned off the lights, and I do set a lot of alarms, but I would definitely fall back asleep. But I love it that you can meditate and get, you know, go through your gratitude list and not be sleepy. So I applaud you for that. Okay, number two, and they cut back on busy work. And so enormously successful people cut back on busy work. I think I’m pretty good at this. How would you explain this if you were telling someone that you did this?
SPEAKER 05 :
I probably owe someone an apology as a result of what I’m about to tell you. I used to keep a really meticulously clean house well beyond what I needed for my dog so she doesn’t count her serve. And I stayed with a friend of mine in San Diego, and I was always amazed at how cluttered her house was. Oh, boy. She looked at me one day. She goes, Cheryl, I’m in the business of living. My house can wait. And I’ve never forgotten that because to me that’s busy work. I’d rather be making memories with my kids than worried if the clothes are completely meticulous in my closet. And so it might take me a month to get my closet transitioned from winter to summer and summer to winter automatically. Or it might take me a little extra time in there, but that’s stupid busy work, right? You know, dusting is not going to change the whole planet spinning because I have something better to do. And so now I’m a little less rigid, a little less anal, and a little less, yeah, you know, I can wait. Busy work, not business work.
SPEAKER 08 :
So wait, you said, I can’t believe how cluttered your house is?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I noticed how cluttered it was and she could see because she knows how anal I am. Right. And she’s like, I know because I had to stay in one of the bedrooms and one of the bedrooms, you know, just had stuff everywhere. And she says, Cheryl, I know this doesn’t work for you, but she goes, I’m too busy running my business and, you know, making memories with my kids that it doesn’t matter. And, you know, it’s funny because she was like reading my mind and I said nothing. Right. And I’m like, that really hit home because who really cares if the bed’s made today? Is the police going to show up and decide you don’t have a made bed? I’m sure it really doesn’t matter the big scheme of things. But making memory with their kids. Yeah, that’s important.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, wow. Because I am really good at creating events and memories and trips and everything. But I’m not that neat. But now I have somebody help me every week. So it’s better. Because my husband grew up in a really clean house. His mom stayed home and did not work at all while she was raising the kids. So her house was always spotless. And she’s like… Well, it’s really easy, Angie. All you need to do is have a day, you know, a day to do the laundry, a day to do the kitchen. You know, one day you do the living room and she’s talking about deep cleaning. And I’m like, are you kidding me? Like, I can’t even imagine like, and it wasn’t the whole day, but still like she would devote a significant amount of time.
SPEAKER 05 :
dishes, make it into the dishwasher. And I think that’s a good day.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, yes, me too. Okay, so I like the idea of the memories. Okay, number three, enormously successful people, they do something small every day to make progress. And I would say that I’m pretty good at this. In fact, I was really good at this when I was, you know, kind of climbing the ladder of success per se in the TV news business. And so is this something you do as well?
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Matter of fact, I have a project that I just took on. And the way I dissect the project is that’s how I decide whether or not I can meet their timeframe is just I look at it because I’m doing some editing right now. And I look at there’s six different pieces of that project and she needs it in two weeks. Great. So I have 14 days to do six days worth of work that I’m already three days ahead. But the fact is, is that’s the plan is to do one of these things every single day. And right now I will probably finish by Friday and I have an extra week. Oh, wow. So I always have that. But the point is, is that I can never do the whole thing all at once. It’s just too much in the way my mind works there. So everything that I do is I do a little bit for everybody. And what gets me is that making sure that that little bit moves the project forward because it drives me crazy if I make no progress. And so that was something I learned long ago is not it’s not progress or not perfection. It’s progress. So I do a little bit each day and then I can point and measure my progress and then I feel good and then I can cross that sucker off my to done list instead of my to do list. But I just can’t wait till the end of the week and then I’m overwhelmed and then I might not do anything because that’s, to me, where procrastination comes from. You get too overwhelmed because you have too much to do and too little time to do it. Just do a little bit each day. It’s not so overwhelming. And then you just can do. I mean, we don’t have to eat the whole elephant. We can just chew on a little bit of an ear today. Everybody can chew on an ear. They just can’t eat the whole elephant.
SPEAKER 08 :
I like that. We’re doing that with my daughter with her literature class. She was having a really hard time and she wasn’t getting her vocab words down. And she and my husband will work for like 15 minutes, four times in the day just to kind of. And she’s gotten between a B plus and an A on all of her vocab tests since then. And she was failing. So that’s really helped her.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. You know, it’s daunting if you want to sit and study for eight hours at a time. It doesn’t work. But if you do 10 minutes here, 10 minutes in the car, 10 minutes on the way to the dentist, I mean, there’s just little things and you don’t notice it. But it takes a lot of meticulous planning and habit building. But then it doesn’t seem to be a big deal. You know, 10 minutes with dad, no big deal. You go to school. But four times a day, that’s now a half an hour that isn’t all at once. It’s just a little bit here and you actually remember and learn better. So kudos to you and him for doing that. That works very well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. All right. So you did a TED Talk, if people haven’t seen Dr. Cheryl Lentz did a TED Talk, and you basically talk about failing to success or failing forward. And that on the list is number four, they gradually turn life’s obstacles around. So it’s not really an obstacle anymore. You’re pretty good at this, I would say.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it’s one of those things that’s funny. I had a breakfast meeting this morning and I was just amazed by my companions. It was a business meeting and all of the seemingly lucky business decisions he was making. But if you see how he consistently he says, what’s I asked him, it’s like, what’s your secret? He goes, you just got to show up. And I was thinking to myself, going, man, you know what? Where opportunity and preparedness meet, and all it is is sometimes if you’re just in the right place at the right time, but you have to be at the right place at the right time, right? You don’t make any shots you don’t take, but sometimes you’re going to get lucky because you took a shot. You might fail, but you might succeed, but if you’re not there, we know you won’t succeed at all. So I think that’s an interesting corollary to just take what happens and take a shot at it, and then if it doesn’t work, then you do it again, and then you do something different next time, but the point is is you got to show up in order to take the shot in order to turn the obstacle around many people don’t succeed because they never take the shot because they don’t want to fail so we just put it in like your daughter it’s like well i can you know do 10 minutes a day well that’s not a big deal it’s not hard to do 10 minutes a day it might be hard to do 10 hours a day so let’s just grind it down to a little bit let’s hit the basket maybe one more time than we did yesterday well that’s doable that’s that’s definitely turning life’s obstacles around and it’s all how you frame it but i love his this morning i’ll give him credit for it it’s Just show up. Just make sure you’re just actually there. And you would be amazed at how many people don’t even show up. And I’m like, I’ll be darned. There is a secret for us there.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m going to skip ahead because I don’t have a ton of time. They mindfully focus on the positive. Well, that’s what you do every morning. You said when you wake up, you go back to bed and talk about or think about your gratitude list. And so you’re mindfully focusing on the positive.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is. And sometimes it takes me a little while because I don’t wake up Susie Sunshine. And it’s funny. I don’t either. By Joe Dispenza. And he says, you know what? Sometimes I have to disappear because it’ll take me an hour for me to stop complaining and whining that I do to myself because I can’t get my attitude because I’m still chapped about what happened yesterday. Right. Something didn’t go right. And. Then that’s where the meditation, you have to be really sincere so that you can turn your attitude right. If I don’t get it right, I can start my day a little bit snarky is what I call it. I’m going to start it genuine.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, I’m going to skip ahead to number 10 because I know we both do this. And I probably do it by doing my interviews with people like you on my show. And I talk to my mentor, Jim Stovall, once a week. And so number 10 on the list is… Enormously successful people have mentors they observe and consult with. And I’m sure people that, you know, listen to the show, they know that when I get some of these experts on the show, I will use my life as examples because whether it’s raising kids, you bullies, family happiness, marital happiness. I have all these experts on the show. So why not use some of the examples from my own life that I could probably use a little help with myself, you know, and hopefully they help others. But I really do feel like I consult with my mentors every week with some of my regular guests and even just the authors that come on once. And so I know you do this as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely, and part of that, quite frankly, is two things, to get your ego out of the way and to be vulnerable enough to say you’re not a perfect human being. And I don’t know anyone who is, but I know a lot of people… they get stuck in that failure thing. They get stuck in beating themselves up by it. So it’s like, well, you could do that, and that’s the victim mentality. Or you could turn it around and go talk to somebody. Go talk to your mentor. It’s like, oh, yeah, I did that once, and here’s how it turned out for me. And just get over yourself. And sometimes we need that process time because we need to vent. But when we talk to somebody else, they’re like going, you know what? There are people starving in Ukraine right now. Do you really want to get hung up on what you’re talking about that really doesn’t matter and probably won’t matter in three days? So what are you complaining about? And that sometimes can give us that perspective to say, you’re right, you know, it’s not as big of a deal as I’m making it out to do. And that’s the emotionality piece.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you mentioned you mentioned ego there. And it’s interesting you say that because enormously successful people, they keep their pride in check. They keep their pride in check. Isn’t that the truth?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and it has to be in there because we’re not perfect, and anyone who says that they are is a liar. And it’s easy when things go right. It is not, and when it doesn’t, and you and I have talked about this a long time, the fact that when things don’t go right, it’s when character shows up. What are you going to do about it? I could sit and whine about it. I could sit and throw a fit and do a temper tantrum, or I could sit there and try and care about somebody else other than me. I can try and look at what’s the impact of my team, look at the impact, or just decide going, you know, in the big scheme of things, this just isn’t important to deal, and then just let it go. And that’s hard to do, but you’ve got to recognize that sometimes the ego, you know what, it’s not all about you. The world doesn’t revolve around you. Sorry to tell that to millennials, too, sometimes. We just have to realize that it’s about everybody. And that sense of community, when you take the eyes off you, it makes things a little bit less stressful because you focus on someone else. And then your stuff just doesn’t seem to be that big of a deal anymore.
SPEAKER 08 :
I like this one as well. We only have a minute left. And I know you’ve had to be watch yourself because you do give honest feedback. But sometimes people don’t welcome honest feedback and enormously successful people do. But I know that you can be very forthright and very forward with your thoughts. And so you’ve kind of had to hedge that a little bit, haven’t you? Like, are you interested in some honest feedback?
SPEAKER 05 :
exactly that’s the question I said how honest do you want to be it’s something that I always tend to do because I figured out early a lot of people don’t want my opinion they want theirs confirmed and that gets me into a lot of trouble And so now I want to know what the boundaries are. And I want to be able to say, okay, what are you expecting? If you’re expecting me to be able to give your opinion back to you, typically when you agree with someone, you’re going to be right on the money and instantly without having to qualify it. When I qualify it with a, well, how honest do you want me to be? It gives them pause to be able to look at whether or not we can have that honest conversation. Only once in 20 years have I ever said someone no. And they said, okay, fine. No, we won’t even engage. But I think if you ask, then the ground rules are set because if you don’t, you can get yourself in a spot of trouble if you don’t know your audience.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I love it that you ask it because then they are most likely going to say yes, but they’re prepared for what you’re going to say. Cheryl, give us your website. DrCherylLenz.com. Excellent. Thank you, Fred. It was fun. Absolutely.
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Hello there, friend. This is Angie Austin with the good news. Starting off with some good news about pets and kids. You know, I have maybe a few too many myself. I have five, three Pomeranians and two ragdoll cats and the kids love them. And when they come home, two of them are at college right now and they just came home and the first thing I want to do is like greet the cats, hug the cats, hug the dogs. And in fact, you know, my son went through a couple of bad years in high school. I’d pick him up at lunch sometimes so he wouldn’t have to eat alone. And he He said then Butch, our big, chunky Pomeranian, was his best friend. And then this cat that I think I’ve told you about before that the name – like our pet’s names are silly. But anyway, my point to this is I just came across an article that’s called Having a Pet Boosts Mental Health for Kids. And in particular, this article is about having a pet dog boost teenage mental health by changing microbes in their bodies. And I think this can’t just – this isn’t just said for teens. I particularly think it’s very beneficial for seniors as well. There is this – Instagram account called Dad and Dolly and it’s an English woman and her English father. He’s in his 90s. He has I think mild Alzheimer’s and after her mother passed away she brought her dad to live in a flat next to her and she had two Pomeranians and she let her dad have Dolly. Dolly is obsessed with her father and And her father is obsessed with Dolly. She’ll just lie down on the ground during a walk and decide she’s not going to walk anymore. And it’s 90 something man will like lean over and pick Dolly up and carry her for the entire rest of the walk. And he will give her, as she puts it, massages, massages. He’ll massage her like three hours a day, like just, you know, rubbing her fur. I mean, that dog is spoiled rotten, but she said it’s helped his mental health so much. So this article may be about how pets help the mental health of teenagers, which I can attest to in my own family, but also how much it helps seniors and just people in general. If you know someone that’s lonely, I have a girlfriend that’s gone through a divorce, and she was talking about how lonely she was. And I said, girl, you’ve got to get a ragdoll cat if you can only have cats because they are like a dog in a cat suit. They are the most amazing pets you could ever get. And so just speaking from my son when he was being picked on in high school and how close he got to our pets and how well he’s doing now and how excited they are to come home and see them to the benefit for seniors. And I know when my mom’s here, there’s one dog, Chi Chi, that just loves to go downstairs and wake her up every morning because she’s the only one that will like Pet, you know, Chi Chi that early in the morning, my mom will get up with her and they have like developed a really close, sweet relationship. It’s absolutely adorable. So I love that. So anyway, just wanted to talk about that article. The good news about pets boosting teenage mental health, but also seniors. And to be honest with you, just about anyone, they they talk a lot about the benefits of pets. And I know there are a lot of responsibility. And if you don’t have the time, of course, don’t do it. But boy, if you do, my girlfriend that got the two ended up ragdoll cats has just talked about how much love they brought into her home with her son. And I have another girlfriend that got a dog not too long ago. And it just adds that. I don’t know. It’s just the love. It’s just extra love in the house. I love it. All right, changing gears now. If you are just joining us, this is Angie Austin with the good news. We hear a lot these days about advancements in cancer treatments and biomarkers. Well, here today to further explain and talk about the future of cancer treatment is Dr. Christopher Liu, GI oncologist and colorectal cancer alliance advisor, and Michelle Kappel, a colorectal cancer patient. Welcome to both of you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, Angie. Thank you.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. Well, I’m always interested in the latest because it seems like it’s just like such a fast pace that things are changing in the cancer treatment world. So, Dr. Liu, let’s just start off with those biomarkers. What exactly are they and why are they so important in treating specifically colorectal cancer today?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you said it perfectly. The advancements in cancer treatment and specifically in colorectal cancer have really just been amazing to watch, particularly over the last five to ten years. And we’re really moving to this area where we want to personalize our treatment for any patient that’s diagnosed with colorectal cancer, but it’s got to start with biomarker testing. Now, what are biomarkers? Biomarkers are essentially like a fingerprint for a tumor. It’s what makes every tumor different than any other tumor. And this can be a gene. It can be a protein. A lot of times, doctors will say, oh, your tumor has this specific mutation. And that’s a biomarker. And this is critically important because it allows a treatment team and a physician to be able to select the best possible treatment. And so what we’re talking about here is really getting the right treatment to the right patient at the right time.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, Michelle, then you’d be a good example of that. So let’s talk about you were diagnosed with stage four colorectal cancer. That’s a terrifying diagnosis. Can you tell us how biomarker testing changed your story?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. So in 2017, I was diagnosed with stage four metastatic colorectal cancer. And yeah, it was devastating. The first oncologist that I saw told me that at best I had a year And within that year, I was going to have immediate surgery, followed by extensive chemotherapy. I, of course, did not like that answer at all. So I did seek another opinion. And I was fortunate enough to get an oncologist that was well versed in biomarker testing. So when I sought treatment with him, He said, well, first, we need to test your tumor. And at that point, we already knew it was metastatic, so we needed to figure out a plan that was going to work for me. So we tested it, and we were able to find that I do have a rare mutation that they were able to target. So in them targeting it, they were able to give me the right chemotherapy enough to shrink it. So that would make me a good surgical candidate to get clear margins. So my first surgery was 12 and a half hours, and they were able to get clear margins, which made me at that time no evidence of disease. So I don’t believe that I would have gotten to that state of being surgical with clear margins without that biomarker testing. But also we’ve developed a plan through the years. So right now it’s 2025 and I am still healthy. I still do not have any cancer in my body right now. I get tested every three months. And I can say that within this last week, I just got test results back that I am still no evidence of disease and I do attribute a lot of this to biomarker testing.
SPEAKER 08 :
That is mind-blowing. I can’t even imagine the relief when you found out there was another option. That just goes to show, too, that with the advancements, especially to get a second, third, whatever opinion you need to get the treatment that’s best for you. So, Doc, let’s talk about that biomarker testing and how does that change the treatment journey for patients? It sure was a big change for Michelle.
SPEAKER 04 :
yeah it’s such a phenomenal story right and it really kind of proves the point that you know the field in the past has gone you know was really based off of this one-size-fits-all treatment with a toxic therapy like chemotherapy and so you can imagine if we just treat everybody the same with a toxic therapy sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t so how much better right is michelle’s story when we talk about biomarker driven therapy maybe giving things like targeted therapies or even immune-based therapies, these therapies often target the cancer and leave healthy cells alone. And so whenever we’re able to give targeted therapy for colorectal cancer or even get the immune system to fight the cancer for us, a couple of things are going to happen. Our patients, and you heard it here, right, they’re going to have a better response to therapy. They may have less side effects than what you would expect with something, say, like chemotherapy. And most importantly, and Michelle is the best example of this possible, our patients are going to live longer, and they’re going to live longer with a better quality of life. And that’s the kind of win that we want for every single patient diagnosed with colorectal cancer.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, Michelle, I want to find out how has your life changed? Did it give you a totally new lease on life? And then what would you say to someone with a new diagnosis? So first, how has it changed you? And then what would you say to someone who just was newly diagnosed?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, so it definitely has changed me. I think right now I speak up and speak out a whole lot more than I ever would have had this not been my journey. But I also don’t take for granted that I’m still alive when the odds were stacked against me. So knowing that, that’s why advocacy work is so important to me to continue to do, because I feel like I need to give back to the community that saved my life. And I want that for other people. So I make sure I still stay actively engaged in advocacy. And for new patients that are diagnosed, like it is very important to be your best advocate you have to speak up you have to know your disease so many patients don’t want to know their disease they just want to go to the doctor have the doctors tell them what to do and that’s it but The doctors don’t have time. They have so many patients with CRC growing at these rates it is. So you have to educate yourself as a patient. in doing that that gives you power that gives you power it gives you hope so they need to educate themselves they need to be proactive they need to have the tough conversations with their with their oncologist they need to ask you know has my tumor been tested for biomarkers not everybody is so that’s what i do tell patients is that to be your best advocate and speak up. There’s no reason to sit in a doctor’s office and just listen and take notes and not ask questions. It’s imperative to do those things.
SPEAKER 08 :
Now, doctor, in terms of colorectal cancer patients automatically receiving biomarker testing, it isn’t as common, I guess, as it should be. What can we do to close that gap so that people can get more specialized treatment like Michelle?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, Angie, I think you’re helping us do that right now, right? It’s raising awareness. And I think Michelle’s story is so powerful. It really is the best thing that people can hear. I love what she said, right? Ask your doctor, has my tumor been tested for biomarkers? It’s such a critical question. Really being your own best advocate, as Michelle said, really is just such a powerful thing. And you want to make these questions tough for your doctor. And I say that as a doctor myself. That takes care of a lot of patients. I love these conversations because it just means that my patients are invested and they’re going to get great care. This is a fast, fast moving field. And it’s hard for patients to keep up. It’s hard for doctors to keep up. And these are the conversations that are going to help our patients just have the best outcomes possible, which is what we want. Ultimately, we want patients to be armed with information. The Colorectal Cancer Alliance is the largest nonprofit that’s just dedicated to eradicating this disease. And they have really fed just a ton of resources into biomarker testing. They set up a website, colorectalcancer.org, slash biomarkers. That’s colorectalcancer.org. for slash biomarkers. We want every patient and even their physicians to go to this website, just learn more, and just be armed with the information that, as Michelle is just a great example of, can really save your life and make a tremendous difference.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and thank you both, Michelle, and also, Doctor, for speaking out. And I just wanted to throw in there, my husband and I, colon cancer runs in his family, and so he went for his first colonoscopy at 40. And we do couples colonoscopies. People like couples. They like couples massages. But it was just funny because I could hear him telling the nurse, like, oh, my wife and I are doing couples colonoscopies.
SPEAKER 07 :
Like, I’m over here. I’m his wife.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh my gosh, it’s amazing. And as a GI oncologist, it’s music to my ears.
SPEAKER 06 :
I hope you have enough toilets in the house for that prep.
SPEAKER 07 :
So, yeah, then we go out for lunch afterwards. So, you know, you can’t beat it. All right. Well, thank you both so much. And thanks for all you’re doing. And good luck to you, Michelle. I just love your story. Thank you.
SPEAKER 01 :
Thank you, Angie. Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
