Join Angie Austin as she welcomes an old friend, Scott Montgomery, to discuss not only their parallel lives but also his latest work, ‘How You Go There’. They dive into the unique experiences and life lessons that have paved their paths of success and how Scott’s companion guide is designed to illuminate unconventional ways to achieve personal and professional triumphs. From the practicalities of his written exercises to the profound influences of relationships and habits, this episode is a treasure trove for anyone looking to redefine success through personal innovations and reflections.
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Welcome to the Good News with Angie Austin. Now with the
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Hello there, Angie Austin here with the good news. Very excited to have an old friend back on the show, Scott Montgomery. The book we’re talking about today is How You Go There, the companion guide to how did you get here? Lessons of unconventional success. Hey, Scott.
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Hello, Angie. Thank you for having me. It’s great to hear your voice. It’s been a few minutes.
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Yes. And I always joke that we’re like fraternal twins because, you know, our kids are the same age. We’re the same age. We just got into buying, you know, investment rental properties. And, you know, you’ve been married the same amount of time that I’ve been married. And like, you know, one of your kids was going to college the first time mine was going. And your kid was getting a driver’s license the first time mine was getting one. So it just cracks me up that we have like parallel lives. we are truly living parallel lives and it’s so nice to have you as a friend to bounce it off of because isn’t it trying sometimes yes driver’s licenses yes yes yeah well in fact it was kind of scary because you know my kids drive my tesla sometimes and my son even said like i don’t know if i should drive it anymore it’s just it’s too tempting for me because it’s a very fast car and i mean very fast like one of the fastest cars like in the world literally
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Well, here we go. I had one of those too, so I know exactly what you’re talking about.
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Yeah, it’s just too tempting. Not for me. I’m fine with it, but I just use it when I have to merge quickly or something or get in front of somebody. That’s the only time I use the speed. But my son knew – one of his roommates was a football player, and he goes to all the games, and he knows some of the players and just – recently um one of the kids was driving his tesla 3 same model i have same year i have the court one of the quarterbacks and he went around a curve and he died and you know i don’t know what the circumstances were exactly but apparently it went like through a barrier and down an embankment and hit something and then was in flames i mean i read all this in a news article so I haven’t heard the most recent update, but just so sad. So anyway, yes, kids getting driver’s licenses. My daughter backed out of our driveway and hit an Uber Eats driver. And I saw him on the camera. He literally pulled in front of her car as she was pulling out of the driveway. So it was kind of a bizarre accident. And then the poor guy, like – He borrowed someone else’s car. There wasn’t any insurance. He didn’t have a driver’s license and he wasn’t here legally. So I’m like, oh, my gosh, like and a kid in the backseat, not in a car seat. So I’m like, oh, gosh, where do we go from here? Like every single thing that, you know, could pose a problem for the situation. So. We ended up just paying for all the repairs and just making it simple. And then my other son, I think I told you, someone pulled in front of him, red light, about a year ago, and it totaled his car. It was a very serious accident. And a lot of people just don’t have much insurance. And even though it was her fault, she had very little insurance. So that’s why always get the uninsured and underinsured on your policy. Thank goodness we had that.
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Yes, totally. And thank God I haven’t had some of the circumstances you had. So I’m getting and my kids have been driving now a little a year or two. So I’m knocking on wood that we don’t have those experiences. I’ve been so glad.
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I’m so glad. All right. Well, let’s talk about now that we’ve caught up a little bit. It’s funny because you and I go on like all the same sports trips like your son’s in baseball. My son was in baseball. I travel for volleyball. I travel for basketball. I mean, it’s unbelievable how much you travel for kids sports when they’re the age of our kids.
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It’s unbelievable. It’s unbelievable. And I’m sorry we’re going to miss each other in the next round at the end of the month that we just talked about.
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How funny is that? I’m there for three days. Then you come for a few days. Then I come back for three days and we literally miss each other. And back on the twin thing, you and I are both going to the same show at the Sphere, The Wizard of Oz. I mean, we are twins.
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It’s crazy. It’s crazy. Same interests. I don’t drink hardly at all. I don’t gamble. I will for fun but not for much and just have a good time out there with the glitz and glamour and all the lights and the show. It’s fun.
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I go for the shows too. It’s so fun and the people watch. It’s just so – and the food. The food is pretty good. So you can’t beat that. All of it. All right. Thank you. Back into your books. I’ve had you on recently, you know, talking about your not this book, but this is how do you how you go there? The companion guide to how did you get here? Lessons of unconventional success. But first, tell people, give us a couple of minute review of your unconventional success because you’re very successful, but you didn’t go the normal route.
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Well, you know, I felt good about sharing in the first book my life lessons in some of the things I found important that drove my success, mostly in leadership and how I drove my own life, which then yielded some monetary gain but also gave me satisfaction. How did you get here? Lessons of unconventional success. I talk about things that were conflicting with this end result. So as a young child, I was silly with money. I didn’t do the right things. I wasn’t healthy. I hung around with the wrong crowd. I graduated high school with a 1.1 GPA. I wasn’t focused. I had high EQ. I had very low book smarts and it just didn’t blend well for the era. And I felt like I wanted to do that because unfortunately my brother had passed and I realized that there wasn’t much left to talk about from his life. So it spurred me to think about something to talk about in my life. But throwing another layer on that, I’m also a leadership for organizational well-being certified coach. And I learned some of the tools that we use as a coach align with some of the experiences I had. So I tried to map that and segue from my story into a next volume, if you will, which is how you go there, which is now an exercise book that complements the chapters of the first book. But it has nothing to do with me. It has to do with coaching your resolve as a participant and a purchaser or a participant of the exercises in becoming a more effective leader, whether it’s in your life or your organization or as a parent. And so I’ve got a compilation of the eight chapters that were in How You Go There, or How Did You Get Here, Lessons of Unconventional Success, are titled things like Habits, Goals, Communication, Leadership, Partnerships, Relationships, I mapped those chapter titles to how you go there, goals, habits, communication, and I insert exercises that the reader can actually fill out that drive their habits, their goals, and they move the reader and the participant, and I don’t know what you call someone who fills out a companion guide, but that person then moves to these skills applied to their own life. And it was really important for me to sort of offer that as the next version of my authorship in leadership and well-development and the organizational well-being, rather, so that people didn’t just think I was telling stories about me, but that the stories about me then turn around and map to give them a sense of how they do, how you go there, you know, companion guide. So it’s been a real exercise. It’s been really passionate of mine for quite some time, as you know. I’m getting more refined in how I want this to resonate with folks. And my stories are good examples. They’re more for my kids and maybe more for someone to kind of understand what I mean. But the companion guide really drives home how someone wants to fill it out. And so I published that at the end of last year. It’s available on Amazon. It’s available, you know, anywhere you can get a book, basically. So is the first book. And the first book has actually got an audio version to it because it’s me telling stories to get the audio book. But yeah, it’s been a real nice opportunity for folks to be able to get some of that leadership skill training, map it to some of their life experiences. And as unconventional as I was, I am finding everyone’s got an unconventional path. You and I both have unconventional paths. And it’s really important to ground that in not my story, but some of the exercises people can evaluate their own circumstance in. That’s where it came from. Yeah, it’s a big mouthful, but that’s his purpose. And I’m really happy for your platform to be able to share that. I’m happy to be working with you to really marinate in that as it gets more refined for the next generation of users, whether that’s someone looking to be promoted in their current job or it’s a bunch of kids graduating college. I’ve got a couple professors, both at University of Virginia and the University of Alabama, that are reaching out to me to have their students understand these sort of inferred life lessons that aren’t really in a curriculum. And so I’m really enjoying this as a learning moment for folks because it’s a self-taught learning moment, not a dictatorship on what you should do through the companion guide and those exercises. Yeah.
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All right. Well, let’s just kind of break down, you know, get into the companion guide. And if we need more time, I’ll have you stick around for another segment or, you know, have you come back later. But let’s just kind of start working through there. Do you want to start on the first chapter?
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Well, the first chapter is basically about partnerships. And one of the most important things, I think, and the reason it starts there is it’s one of the most important things you can have in life is a partnership. You know this from your years of marriage. I have the same from my years of marriage. And it’s not to be taken loosely that you just love someone and get married. It has to, for me, meet the criteria of the demand. I’m very much a visionary, so I struggle with details. I have ADD. I struggle with details. If there’s a squirrel, I will follow it. even if there’s an important task at hand that needs to be addressed. So in the partnership companion guide, partnership chapter allows you to assess what’s important for you in a partnership. There are three exercises. You can fill the exercises out, one, to understand what a partnership might need to look like, two, to understand what your version of that partnership could look like, so know thyself, and then three, what is it you’re looking for in a partnership? Because for me, without that foundation, the rest falls apart. And I mean that in the long haul. And one of us can predict the future, but take it seriously enough that you’re actually doing some exercises, whether they’re mine or they’re self-assessment, before you just jump in. We’ve all been through unhealthy relationships. And so relationships in the way I describe them are more mentoring and more in business, but the partnership is life. And so the first chapter is partnership. And in my first book, I talk about my wife and I’s relationship, how we met, the things we addressed, the four years of courtship that we had before we agreed it was time. And it was for real. And so that’s really the companion guides, really sort of that exercise. So you’ll be able to do those things with that.
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Well, speaking of partnerships, before we get into the next chapter, I mean, I want to give us a pat on the back because a lot of people our age are divorced. And we’ve been married, I think, both of us 20-plus years. And happy marriages. You do a lot of work with your wife. I do a lot of work with my husband. And we pretty much do everything together. I think my neighbor was laughing the other day because I was doing Amazon returns. And he goes in there with me. And he has a big truck, so he’ll help me carry stuff in. And then I have them all numbered. And I might have – After Christmas, I had like, you know, 30 returns. Right. Because it’s like all the kids and whatever. And so they’re numbered. And my neighbor comes in by herself and she’s laughing that we do things like that together because I really consider. And every night we go to the gym together like we’re a team.
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Yeah, no, totally. Well, my my wife is 51 percent owner of our company. She wanted to provide value and she also wanted to be the a player at home. So the other 49% of work allowed me to handle operations and client facing work. And she handles HR and finance and was the A player at home with the kids. And that really worked out well for us because we can tag team on both fronts. And she didn’t she didn’t join the firm until two or three years later after it got started. But we both recognized that was probably the best for the future we were trying to build because we did the assessment because we busted out our companion guide at the time and said, what are the exercises we should look at to see what the right answer lands on for us? which is now back to why I created a campaigning guide at all is so that people can self-assess. And this just spars that along. It spurs it along. It lets them help some understand maybe a perspective that they’re not looking at without that guidance. And it’s really, it’s really important. And I think, uh, yeah, we, we court each other for four years. We definitely communicated and, uh, we do a lot together for sure. For sure.
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Love it. All right. Well, let’s get into chapter two then.
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Well, in chapter two is relationships. And the reason I did those back to back is because the way I view them, and some people actually reverse view that, but I viewed relationships in my first book, I described the business relationships that projected me forward. And it was very much client driven. It was mentor driven. It was very much like, don’t be surprised if someone in your vortex, you unsuspectingly could find them to be the one thing that actually made a difference in your future, right? And so in my book, I tell stories of how my neighborhood mom was running a sales team and I applied right out of high school. And I’m almost certain the reason I was considered unexperienced and accepted into the job was because we knew each other in the neighborhood. And I would have never guessed that. That job turned into a 15-year career and was one of the biggest things that’s happened to my resume. And nobody would have ever predicted that.
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All right, Scott, just stop right there. Scott Montgomery, we will be right back and we’ll talk more about how did you get here?
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Wonderful.
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Welcome back to The Good News with Angie Austin and Scott Montgomery. We are talking about his book, How You Go There, The Companion Guide to How Did You Get Here? Lessons of Unconventional Success. Okay, so we’re kind of wrapping up Chapter 2, and we were talking about partnerships. Relationships. We started with Chapter 1’s partnerships. Number 2 is relationships. And so let’s wrap up that one, and we’ll bump into Chapter 3.
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Absolutely. Well, relationships is just what I was describing as the folks that you work with that can help you move your career along, whether that’s mentors, people that can support what your goals and visions are that aren’t necessarily people that I would call a partnership. I don’t know what they’re doing at night. I know what my partner is doing at night. And so some people call that like you just did a partnership in business, but I like to call it relationships in general and partnerships internally. are those folks you really know everything about. So the companion guide has exercises in there that allow you to assess what you could be looking for in a relationship. And all the chapters that we could go over or that we may go over here will allow you to have three different versions of how that can be looked at. So it becomes sort of a holistic view of what a relationship would look like, not just a once and done. I need this kind of relationship. Know thyself is one of the exercises. What does a relationship look like to me? Know where you want to go. What can support that relationship? Let’s fill that out. And three, what is the ideal relationship and business for you? And I do make this a business-centric companion guide so that people can apply it to their careers, whether they’re just starting or they’re in a place of promotion. And as the companion guide goes, perfect segue into habits.
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All right. Chapter three. And habits is huge. I mean, so many people don’t have a plan. They don’t have a roadmap to where they want to go.
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And this book and this companion guide are exactly why I was trying to help folks figure out what their roadmap would look like. And when it starts to sound daunting, which is what I’ve been doing to your listeners now for the last 10 minutes, habits allows you to reassess how you want to take things in. And so I look at habits as a way to self-reflect your somatic response, how you’re feeling about the moment. What are your habits? to getting you where you want to go. And I think immediately of my habits to work out. So one of my habits is to work out five days a week. It calms my nervous system. It’s productive. It moves me to a place of better understanding and I’m less reactive. And I know we’re going to talk about this more in self-care, but habits also can mean make your bed in the morning. I don’t have my bed disheveled and my bedroom’s a mess and I don’t know what I’m doing when I get to work. You’re structured in your thought process and you started that process to minute your two feet, hit the ground from your bed. And so habits has really good exercises that can help you assess all the areas of your life where you might want to improve your habits. So you don’t have to…
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I also work out five days a week, what Mark and I do. And of course we do, right? I know we’re such nerds because I don’t think it’s – I told my husband, I go, I don’t think it’s that common that we’ve worked out year after year regularly at least five days a week, sometimes six because he trains the kids too. Right, right. And for people our age to have kept it up since, I mean, since I was 16, really, I’ve regularly gone to the gym. And my husband isn’t overweight, and I’m not overweight. You’re not overweight. I know your wife’s not. And it just helps with your health. And I have to tell my son a lot because he gained weight on a cruise we went on. And like a fair amount of weight. It was pretty funny. For someone his age, he should have not been that chunky on the cruise. Yeah. And so anyway, he’s lost all the weight. He’s cooking for himself. He’s making really great grass fed beef steaks and really good food. And so he’s lost all the weight. I just saw him the other day and he’s nice and trim. And I always tell him, Riley, because, you know, he’s had that business since he was 12 and it’s very successful. I said successful people are in shape. Successful people take care of their health and their bodies. Successful people work out. We tell them repeatedly that that’s what you need to do to be at your tip top. And I also think like me personally, as like a Christian, I do think that your body really is a gift. And I think that we have an obligation to take care of it, regardless of your faith. Like you’re given this gift of a body. Take care of it.
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All the things. And really, I do get into that more in the self-care chapter for my companion guide. But the point of the habit, I think for what you’re describing in the working out, I agree with because I feel honestly at my age, which is 57 this summer, you know, not many people would think I’m 57 to start. But two, I feel like I’ve I’ve added the extra 10 years just to how I am. And I mean it in hindsight. I didn’t know this. And I’m not trying to be 40. I’m not trying to be 35. My triathlon pace would be a lot slower. But I could still do them is part of the lesson in the habit. You’re preparing yourself. for the peak performance of your leadership, of your fitness, of your religion, of your family care, of all the things. So they get muddy when you look at self-care, but I always like to apply habits to self-care because in order for self-care to be effective, you have to have the habit of actually doing it. Yeah. Looking correctly, going to the grocery store Sunday, you know, meal prep, those kinds of things. It’s a great way to map those two together. Yeah.
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Yeah. I love that. I love that. Yeah. The overall health makes you happier, but also more successful and more productive. Okay. What’s next step?
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Next one was goals. So when we talk about our goals and what it is we’re doing, why our habits matter and who our partners are and what relationships we need to for our goals. So what is it you’re doing? I mean, there are a lot of people out there. I’ll tell you a funny story about my wife and I when I was younger in my career. She viewed me as a guy who wanted to own the town we live in. Literally, literally was like, this guy is like type A. He wants to be out there in the world. He wants to own the town we live in. and really i didn’t i just wanted to be self-proclaimed i wanted to not be i did not want to be beholden to a job i didn’t want to be beholden to anybody else and i only ever need my family it’s the core of who i am right and the difference in that is she wanted no parts of wanting to own reston ever ever so her goals and my goals were very much aligned and we couldn’t tell through our actions and so just setting the goals allowed us to recognize wow we do have the same goals it’s just i viewed your your your approach to achieving the same goal had to be different than mine and that doesn’t mean we’re not in the same arena right and so the companion guide allows you to take an assessment of goals and then it compounds the idea of what habits are you doing to reach the goals What communication, which is the next chapter, are you doing to get there? What relationships, looking back to chapter two, are you in? And it becomes a very holistic approach. And there are eight chapters for us to go over. So maybe not today, but there is also an awareness that when I was trained to be a leadership coach, these same eight chapters were what they were. taught me and educated me in in order for me to be an effective organizational well-being change management leader. as a certified coach. So this is not my own creative. What’s the creative is take the assessment. That’s mine. What is real is the stories that map to those headers. But these headers are no joke. Universities are using these headers. They might call them something different, but they’re really the same things. I try to dumb it down. I try to simplify it and map it to my own memoir, i.e., again, my brother leaving nothing behind that really tells you who he was. But two, this is about moving that forward off of me and onto how can folks really benefit from from this? And how do we ground this? Because not everyone’s going to go to a leadership certification training at a college.
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You know, it’s so interesting you say about your brother not, you know, dying and not leaving anything for people to remember him by. And I never thought about that. But the other day, oddly enough, my son sent me a picture from Facebook and he said, Is this the guy that murdered your brother? And I went, yeah. How did you know that? That’s so weird. He’s on Facebook, you know, talking about his kid and his life and whatever. And he’s out of prison. And, you know, it just was weird to me. So anyway, I Googled my brother to see what would come up. And he died before the Internet was like a big thing. And nothing came up. And I thought, oh, my gosh. There’s not even anything like an article. And I know there was an article in the paper way back when. But if you Google him, not a single thing comes up about his life or anything he did. There’s like no. And he was he was cremated and we sprinkled his ashes with my grandma, grandpa. So there’s no headstone. There’s no there’s nothing. And I thought, wow, that’s so weird when you said your brother left nothing behind. When I Googled him the other day, I couldn’t even find any trace of my brother or even the story. And obviously the Facebook page with the murderer doesn’t talk about what he did. It just talks about his glowing life. Glowing, I shouldn’t say. Believe me, he looked like a homeless biker, so it wasn’t like he moved on to tremendous success. He didn’t learn any lessons of unconventional success in prison. Yeah. You know, he’s not living large, but it’s just weird to I don’t know. The whole thing was weird. But yet, much like your brother, I can’t even find a trace of him.
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Well, and that was really the tragedy for me in that my kids loved my brother. They knew him as their uncle. When I got to his apartment, I found out he was dead unexpectedly. I think we had similar traumas. I can’t imagine the murder aspect of it, but there was a suicide. There was an illness. There was things I wasn’t aware of that just make it, you know, he wasn’t taking good care of himself. And I saw the records of that emptying his apartment out. And the one thing I got was my parents my divorced parents wedding album out of his closet i was like this is a tragedy like you’ve left no mark here except for with the people who are going to be gone in the next 30 50 years like this is so for me i was really lamented in that during covet so i ended up doing similarly we cremated my brother we got his ashes i sprinkled them in new york city in the park where he really thrived and loved central park Where I also bought a paver for him as sort of a headstone. So some of his ashes are at the headstone. The rest of his ashes, my mother wanted to have spread with her. So she has the rest of them. But the real tragedy is the humanity of that, right? Like I felt for my brother that as a real primal instinct. And you’ve countered that. We both have countered that. You’ve got all these recordings. You’ve got a real storyline there. You’ve really been legacy-oriented with how you’ve raised your kids, right? So I think there’s some homage in that for your brother and the way I’ve done it, too, for my brother as well. I’m not trying to make him live on, but I think that just embedding him in that sort of written legacy word or podcast, if you will, is really important. It was important to me, so I’m glad you resonate on that. I’m sure it would be important to many if they had similar circumstances.
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Yeah. Yeah. You want someone to remember them, you know. All right. So we have enough time. We’ve got a couple of minutes left so we can go a little bit further in the book.
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Well, let’s just go. Let’s go one more chapter to communications. So for me, because we’ve hit partnerships, we’ve hit relationships, we’ve hit goals and habits. Now we got to talk about them. Communications. How are you communicating with all these people? How are you communicating with yourself? What is your style communication? And when you’re establishing a relationship, if we go back there and look at relationships, what is your style? I’m very forthright. I’m very in your face. I’m very awake. I’m very if I’m interested, you’ve got all fours of me on you. If I’m not, I’m very introverted and I will just move along. If you know thyself, there’s a balance that might be better. And in communications, we first take a look at ourselves through the exercise. What style are you? And when you get the book, it’s not that general, but it really does help you understand introvert, extrovert, and your approach to relationships, to how you want to handle your habits, to your partnerships. And then how you actually communicate. There’s body language. There’s how you’re – are you present? Are you relatable? Do you over-talk? All those things in the actual way in which you communicate. Yeah. And so there’s good exercise in there for that. And then, you know, just in general communication as a whole, as a leader. So how do you present yourself in trying to manage a task, manage a project and manage your folks? So, again, three exercises there. Good communication. It does tie and feed to the previous chapters we talked about. I hope there is an opportunity for us to talk about the others. But if there isn’t. There is certainly a website people can go to, www.HowYouGoThere.com, and you can pick up this companion guide. I think it’s $19.
SPEAKER 05 :
Perfect. And then real quickly, we have about 30 seconds. Give us the headings of the other chapters.
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So the other chapters are self-care. There’s leadership in there. So we’re talking about how to be an effective leadership. And I think that we’ve covered the top eight right there.
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Yeah, excellent. It’s always a pleasure to have you on the program, Scott Montgomery.
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Pleasure is always mine.
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Yeah, I always get a kick out of you. How do you go there? The companion guide to how did you get here? Lessons of unconventional success. And give us your website one more time.
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It’s www.HowYouGoThere.com, and I’ll give you a teaser. There might be a third version, and it works.
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Perfect. All right. Thanks, Scott.
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No, thank you. Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
