In this episode of the National Crawford Roundtable, the hosts delve into the tragic news of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, founder of TP USA, who was killed for his role in advocating free speech. John, Bob, and Neil discuss the widespread impact of his death, the polarizing political environment, and the stark differences in how disagreement is handled across the political spectrum. Through an emotional exchange, they recount Kirk’s incredible ability to engage with opposing voices with respect and decency, despite the hate he faced. The conversation steers into the concern over how society handles contentious issues and
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
Another edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. I am your host, John Rush. We’ve got Bob Duco from Detroit, Michigan, from the Bob Duco Show, and Neil Boron, Buffalo, New York, from the Neil Boron Live Show. And we’re all three together today, guys. Good morning. Rare occasion. Good to be with you, John. Yeah, good to be with you guys as well, although the subject today is a little more somber. The events of last week, in fact, it wasn’t long after we were struggling last week to actually get our podcast fired off, and Neil and I were here and trying to get Bob piped in and all of that. Anyways, it wasn’t but just a few hours later that the news came out about Charlie Kirk being assassinated, and for all of you listening, I’m sure by now, unless you live in a cave… Uh, you would have heard about that in fact, um, which I watched it a couple of times and honestly, I don’t need to see it anymore. I actually saw the actual, you know, shooting itself and don’t want to get into details there because it’s hard to watch. And at the end of the day, uh, you know, we all know what happened. We’ll get into a lot of the details of that. Some of the factions of what’s going on now and just the different things that are involved in it. And guys most likely, you know, we’ll take the whole hour to do this because there’s just a lot of, to cover and you know Bob I’ll start with you mainly because it was you know it was a shock to really I think now the whole world to see exactly what happened essentially for anybody that maybe doesn’t know you know Charlie Kirk who was the leader of TP USA Turning Point USA was assassinated and I don’t even want to use the word shot or murdered he was assassinated And let’s face it, Bob, he was assassinated for his speech, what he did on college campuses and the way that he handled himself there. And he was hated by a lot of individuals. We’ll get into that, of course, today. But essentially, he was assassinated for speech.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. He was. And, you know, this is this is one of the things that I’ve talked about. One of the huge differences between the political left and the political right in this country is And it is that the political right, on average, tends to say, if you disagree with me, let’s talk about it. Let’s debate it. Let’s debate the facts. OK, you try to persuade me. I’ll try to persuade you. Prove me wrong. I’ll prove you whatever. But in other words, let’s have dialogue about it. And it’s the liberal left who, in essence, says, no, if you disagree with me, I’m going to censor you. I’m going to silence you. I’m going to do everything I can to keep you from being heard. Are all liberals that way? No. Are all conservatives the other way? No. But on average, this is what I tend to see. And you think about what his crime was. Charlie Kirk’s crime was saying, I don’t agree with you. You don’t agree with me. Let me come to your home turf. Let me come into the colleges and let me have respectful dialogue with you. And if you watch videos of Charlie Kirk, he’s respectful with these people. Always was. Always respectful.
SPEAKER 02 :
More so than I probably could be, Bob. you know what i know and but i’ll tell you what a very quick mind a quick and sharp very quick this young man had so it’s to me and to dovetail into what you just said we talked about this a little bit yesterday on our program keep in mind that i believe that that the reason why they end up being the way they are is you know it’s like a caged animal that gets trapped into a corner when there’s no way out in other words when the debate gets to the point where He has shot down every single thing they said. You can talk about abortion, for example, and he was always big on outlining when life begins and really getting back to the essence of all of life in and of itself and talking about that. And he would counter all these different people’s arguments. And the more they got backed into the corner, the louder, the more angry they would get, Bob, because people don’t like to be wrong. And so my feeling is the reason why the left doesn’t want to debate is because they know they’re wrong in the first place. You know, why debate when I know I can’t get myself out of this corner?
SPEAKER 03 :
I know. And if you present some facts and evidence that goes against something that I already believed, to me, that’s a good day because that means I learned something that I didn’t know before. Correct. And therefore reinforce my own beliefs. But you talk about it. You dialogue. I’ve just seen it with so many liberals before that you present them with facts and evidence. Their response is to grit their teeth, get red-faced, get varicose forehead, and then call you a name. And it’s like, wow, really? So it’s not all liberals, but it’s very common.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, a lot do that. And Neil, we’re talk show hosts. We go through this at times. We’ll have liberals that will call into our programs. And when I say liberals, I know it’s a very general term. I get that. But folks that are on, as Bob would say, the political left, they’ll call into our programs, Neil. And I can’t see their faces, so I can’t verify what Bob is saying about the red face, but I can imagine it because I can picture it because the tonality of their voice starts to change. In fact, with me at times, you have to use Mr. Hold Button, I call it, where you actually have to put them on hold for a moment while they simmer down to where you can actually then come back and continue on with the conversation because, Neil, they just get so irate when you’re presenting facts to them that they have no response to.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and I just, in honesty, it can go both ways. I’ve seen some far right people or very conservative people get pretty jacked up as well. So let’s keep that in mind. I mean, we’re not completely innocent on that point, but. I think by and large, you’re correct, because we’re representing, to the best of our ability, I won’t say perfectly, but we’re representing biblical truth. And truth is divisive. And ultimately, in the end, truth prevails. And so every argument ultimately is going to succumb to the truth. So then when you get backed into the corner and you’ve got nothing left, that’s where the real vitriol comes from. And the other thing is, Charlie Kirk, I think… People didn’t like his opinions, but they didn’t like him even more because he was so effective in the way that he communicated with people. I fully appreciate the fact that I don’t think I’ve ever seen a clip where he didn’t start by saying, wait, before you go on, what’s your name? That he wanted to get to know people. He wanted to know them in context. And you’re a student here. OK, what are you studying?
SPEAKER 02 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 04 :
So that he would treat them as human beings in that sense. And then in many cases, just absolutely unravel their argument. But here’s something else. He’s not out to win arguments. Ultimately, I believe Charlie Kirk loved Jesus. We know that. He wanted to be remembered as somebody who was effective at communicating the gospel, bold in his faith, and stood to the end, which is exactly what happened. So he wasn’t really interested in just winning arguments. He was interested in winning souls. And if we as believers… keep that in mind, then we have to remember we’re talking to somebody for whom Jesus died, and it isn’t about just winning the argument and pushing forward some kind of a political agenda or a conservative agenda. It’s about ultimately seeing people transform from the inside out so that they will go from lost to found and from darkness to light. And I think Charlie Kirk did that exceptionally well, and he always kept that in mind in any conversation he was having.
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SPEAKER 02 :
And Bob, as I said earlier, that was one of Charlie’s, and I don’t know whether it was Charlie’s, I think it was one of the talking points that he had that a lot of people thought they could come up to the microphone, they’d have their little paper with them, they’d have these list of things that they thought they could really corner Charlie on, especially when it came to things like abortion and the right to life. as I said earlier, you know, in a very kind way, you know, in a way, honestly, that I don’t think I couldn’t do to this day. You know, he would shoot down every single argument they had and did it in a way where, you know, the left accuses him of being, you know, extremely mean hearted and and a bigot and a racist. And frankly, that’s just totally untrue. It’s not there. The reality is he was, as Neil said, he was ultra kind to all the different people that would I mean, very factual in what he would present, but ultra kind. And you have to wonder, and I don’t know this statistic, you have to wonder how many people left there not being the way that they were when they walked up to the microphone.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well, I mean, let’s face it. He he had a big impact on people and he was willing to meet people on their turf where they are and talked with them and talked with them respectfully. And that’s to be honored. But, you know, I got to say something else. So when I was talking before about the liberal left in this country and, you know, I, Neil, I appreciate what you’re saying about, hey, it happens on both sides. But I got to be honest with you, from my observation. It’s never justified on either side, so I would never justify right-wing hate either, okay? But in all fairness, it’s nowhere close to 50-50. It is extremely disproportionately the hate comes from the left, because when you—right now, you’ve got so many in social media— left-wingers that are celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Not all of them, but many of them. But also, I have to stress, remember when George Floyd was killed, right? That was a tragedy. Nobody denies that, right? But what happened with the liberal left in this country? We had months of rioting across the country, billions of dollars worth of damage, countless businesses burned to the ground, dozens of people killed. And The rioting outside the White House got so bad that Donald Trump had to be ushered by Secret Service out of the Oval Office to an underground bunker for his safety. That’s what was going on then. When Hillary Clinton lost in 2016, you had riots in various cities all across the country. I’ve played montages on my show of ABC, NBC, CBS reporting on the rioting that was going on. And you know something? Charlie Kirk, one of the biggest, most beloved heroes of the right in this country gets gunned down, murdered by an LGBT supporting guy who’s in a gay relationship with his transgender partner and because of the hate of Charlie Kirk. And you know something? How many riots have we seen over the last week?
SPEAKER 02 :
Zero.
SPEAKER 03 :
How many buildings burned to the ground? Zero. How many windows smashed and stores looted? Zero. Okay, you know what the MAGA movement is doing for the most part? They’re getting together at memorial services and praying. So there has been zero bloodshed from the right in a country of 330 million people when one of our heroes and champions was gunned down in cold blood because he’s part of the mega conservative Christian right, if you will. And so to me, that speaks volumes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And OK, I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. And it isn’t a 50-50 proposition, but that wasn’t my point. My point was that it… i’m not i’m going to use a double negative it not not ever happens it doesn’t not help me out there the point is it does happen sometimes i live three miles from where dr barnett slept being an abortion provider here in the buffalo area was gunned down by james kopp in cold blood, crawled through the woods with a rifle, shot him through the back door of his house. He was standing drinking a cup of coffee or something, shot him through the door and killed him. My buddy, Chuck, who was a detective with the Amherst Police Department, lived a few doors away from me, was involved in the investigation. James Kopp killed Dr. Barnett Slepian. In the name of life, if you can believe that. So there’s one example. There are others. My point is, it’s not that it never happens on the other side. And I don’t think we win any moral victory. These are people created in the image of God. And I just want to keep in mind that violence is never okay on either side. If it happens disproportionately, then we ought to take a serious look at why that’s the case. And anybody who subscribes to left liberal theology should take a serious look at what you’re saying. But I also think we ought to look at ourselves in the mirror and say, are we really walking in love? Are we the ones or do we rejoice? Like if if something happened to one of the people we least like on the other side, would there be a little bit of happiness inside of us that they’re gone, that they were killed? Or would there be remorse and sadness because they’re spending eternity apart from Jesus? And I just want to make sure – I don’t want to be utopian about it. I just want to make sure we keep it in balance.
SPEAKER 02 :
But I think the biggest difference in all of that – By the way, those shootings are condemned. Yeah, I was just going to say the biggest difference that I see in all of this, guys, is A, I do feel remorse and bad for that person that has lost their life no matter what side of the aisle or where they’ve come from. Because as I said on my show yesterday – Every soul matters. I guess that’s how I look at it. And the biggest difference between the two sides, this is my opinion, Neil, is we will immediately come out and condemn those individuals for what they did. I haven’t heard too many people on the left condemning the shooter that killed Charlie Kirk. In fact, there’s people on the left that are celebrating the fact that he was killed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and I’m not trying to be a jerk. I’m merely pointing out, like Romans 12 says, each one of us will give an account of ourselves to God. We’re not going to stand before God and go, hey, look at them. They were really bad. They cheered when Charlie Kirk died, and I only kind of snickered occasionally when somebody on the left died. So, God, I’m not as bad as them. I’m just saying let’s guard our own hearts even as we look at the realities that you guys are describing.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, the way I look at it, and this is really quick, the way I look at it, and I’ll let you talk, Bob, is, and again, this is just me, and I don’t know if everybody else looks at it this way, and this is not because I’m being sympathetic to the shooter or anything along those lines, so please, nobody out there say and accuse me of that, but anytime something like this happens, I always look at it as… I think most people look at it and say, wow, Charlie’s Kirk family now is completely different moving on. He’s got a widow and two children that have now been left behind. Well, there’s another family involved in this whose lives will never be the same moving forward either. And it’s not those parents’ fault, and some would say it is, but I would say that it’s most likely not. This individual acted on his own, if you ask me. So at the end of the day, now two families, Bob, lives are ruined, not just one.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and that’s a very good point. But one thing I want to say, one final point on the other thing. The reason that I push back so hard on the left versus right thing is not because I’m denying that there’s ever a case of right-wing violence. I’m not saying that never exists. But what I am saying is I believe that the liberal left and the liberal leaders in this country, I think they have a responsibility to acknowledge that The left wing in this country has a real intolerance and violence problem woven into its DNA. And what happens when something like this, this murder of Charlie Kirk happens, it’s the liberals who go on TV and go, well, you know, the rhetoric is too hot on both sides. Both sides do this.
SPEAKER 02 :
He had it coming. He had it coming. His speech had it coming, Bob.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I know. Exactly. Well, you know, when you foment hate like this, you know, these kind of things are going to happen. So, yeah, both sides need to tone it down a little bit, you know. And so what they’re trying to do on the left is to create the perception that it is a 50-50 thing. Well, you know, it happens on both sides. It’s wrong on both sides. Well, I agree it’s wrong on both sides. But when I see 95% coming from one side and 5% coming from the other, I’m not going to justify the 5%. I’m going to condemn them all day long for any kind of hate speech. But I’m also not going to create a perception. I’m not going to allow the perception to persist from the liberal left and the media, which is like, you know, it’s like a 50-50. That happens on both sides. Both sides need to tone down the rhetoric. No, you guys on the left, you have the lion’s share. You have quite
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and Bob, really quick, the polling of late, which I know you follow closely and we all do, but the polling even of late as to which side of the aisle believes that it’s okay to kill somebody in this particular way. At the end of the day, it’s overwhelmingly higher on the other side of the aisle. In other words, there’s a large percentage of the liberal left that feel it’s okay to take somebody’s life if you don’t agree with what they’re saying.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. No, I’m very true. But, John, to the point that you made, though, about the families, I do feel for – for these parents, and I feel for that dad. And it’s a Mormon family, so obviously I would prefer them to know the true Jesus Christ, and I don’t consider Mormonism a genuine Christian religion, but I do believe that Mormons by and large are very decent people. And to think about this mom and dad and it’s like, wow, that’s our son. You got to be kidding me.
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I can’t imagine.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the fact that he had gone left wing and radicalized to the left and LGBT agenda and in a homosexual relationship now with his roommate who’s transitioning, if you will, to female. But the dad is like, you know what? No, you got to turn yourself in. And then they call a youth minister from their church who was also with the U.S. Marshal’s office and basically convinced him to turn himself in. You know, that’s a tough one. So this mom and dad is dealing with the fact that their son is, you know, evil personified on TVs everywhere across the country and probably facing the death penalty.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. No, I mean, as a parent, and Neil, I know both of you, Bob, both. I mean, and again, it’s just me, I guess because I’m a dad, you know. through and through. And I just, Neil, I can’t imagine how that would feel.
SPEAKER 03 :
I got a 22-year-old son. Yeah, it’d be awful. I talked to my son about this. And it’s like, oh my goodness, what if I were the one looking at my 22-year-old son and this is him right now? And I, so, you know, look, I told my audience, please don’t just pray for Charlie Kirk’s family. Pray for the Robinson family.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because they do need to be praying for them.
SPEAKER 02 :
And you know what?
SPEAKER 03 :
And that this young man, Tyler Robinson, that he will accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. Amen. Not the Mormonism, but that he would accept Jesus. Actually, what I said on my show is my prayer is that he would accept Jesus and that he would be able to apologize face-to-face to Charlie Kirk someday in heaven, which I know a lot of people emotionally in the flesh, Neal, don’t want to feel that way. But I told my audience it’s important that I think that we look at it this way.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, grieving is a weird thing, and all of us have been through some level of it. Bob, I know you’ve experienced a ton. John as well. But like in the face of it. God calls us to rise higher. And like, I’m thinking about the Amish, maybe Amish school shooting in like 2007. And I think a handful of kids died, but the Amish forgave the shooter and people were like astounded. Mark my words.
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Even attend the funeral of the, of the, of the shooter, even attend the funeral and reach out to the parents.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so what I’m saying in all this, and I’m not trying to be utopian or goody two-shoes or anything like that. Part of grieving is anger. It’s one of the stages. And we should feel rightfully angry that Charlie Kirk’s life was snuffed out, leaving a wife and two beautiful children and all that. But mark my words, I think in time, and this is, if my statement is ever heard by Erica Kirk, I apologize in advance. I don’t mean to create any sense of pressure. But I believe one day we’ll see Erica Kirk forgive the shooter. Because that’s the depth and the level of relationship they had with Jesus.
SPEAKER 02 :
I can’t disagree with that. I agree with you on that, Neil. That would be powerful. That would be very powerful. No, I cannot disagree with that. And Neil, you said earlier. I don’t remember if you said it when we were doing the podcast or whether you said it prior to, but, you know, never return evil for evil. And I know there’s a lot on our side, and I have tried to tone things down on my program as much as I can. I know you guys have probably done the same thing. Is this civil war in America? Are we ready to return, you know, fire, if you would, quote, unquote, to the other side? And at the end of the day, guys, absolutely, positively not. We’re not even close to that. So those of you out there thinking along those lines, please stop. That is not correct thinking. We aren’t at that place as a country, not even close. We’ve been through deeper times, you know, deeper dark times as a country than this right now. And while it hurts, and as you said, Neil, a lot of people are struggling and they’re trying to figure out exactly what’s going on. That is not the answer. But speaking of healing, Neil, SunPowerLED.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and I had a lot of different – I’m sure you guys have as well – a lot of different young people, which I have a lot of that listen to my program, I think partially because of what I do in the automotive world and the fact that we help a lot of different people on the weekends and so on in that, and it generates interest from younger listeners. And I had younger listeners even asking me specifically, can you give us some words of encouragement after what happened with Charlie Kirk? And my words of encouragement to those folks – guys was, listen, God can take evil and turn it into good. And he will. And in the second half, we’ll talk about a little bit of that, what could potentially come out of all of this. And you’re seeing a lot of good right now, even coming out of this. What happens is in regards to leadership and all of that, we might get into a little bit of that in the second half. But at the end of the day, my encouragement to all these young people were, you know what? God is good. God is still on the throne. He will turn good. He’ll take this evil, turn it into good some way, somehow. It’s what he does. God’s not dead, I guess, is ultimately what I was trying to give these young people encouragement on. And while this is a minor setback, if you would, quote unquote, at the end of the day, God will jettison things forward. And at the end of the day, we’ll all be just fine when it’s all said and done. So that was my encouragement to that younger crowd. Guys, this is the first half of the National Crawford Roundtable. Myself, Bob Duco, Neil Boron. We’ll be back here in just one moment.
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Welcome back, National Crawford Roundtable, second half. Myself, John Rush out of Denver, Colorado. My show is Rush to Reason, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan. Bob Duco’s show, Neil Boron, Buffalo, New York, Neil Boron Live. And Neil, starting with you, just to kind of recap what I said a moment ago, and I’m sure you’ve heard the same thing from some of the younger folks, because Charlie had – and I’ll be the first to say, I knew Charlie – I wasn’t a fan boy by any means. I watched a lot of his different videos, knew what TPUSA did, but I won’t, I won’t be the first to, or I’ll be the first to tell you that, you know, I didn’t attend the events. I didn’t follow them around. I’ve never been to a gathering that they’ve had or anything along those lines. So while I knew of him, you know, I won’t tell you guys that I knew every single thing about him and about the organization. I’ve learned a lot here in the past week as to all of that. And I knew of him from watching a lot of the clips and things that that he did, Neil, but there’s a lot of young people that are way different than me that really did follow Charlie and the whole organization that have been very devastated by what happened last week, and I hope my words of encouragement help them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, amen. And I appreciate what you said prior to the break. That was good advice that you were giving out. And, you know, I would echo that same kind of thing. I want to say that I’ve heard several people say, and even on some social media things, but also in person. You know, I want to be like him. I want to be like Charlie Kirk. And what a great honor that somebody would say, I want to pattern my life after what you did, you know, and standing for truth and righteousness and representing the gospel and all of that is really great. And it speaks to the. to the level and the depth of what he was accomplishing, man, he planted a lot of seeds, like millions. And when those seeds come to fruition, I believe we are going to see revival down the road. But for anybody who wants to pattern their life after Charlie Kirk, think about this. Charlie Kirk was trying to pattern his life after Jesus. And ultimately, I think he would say, pattern your life after Jesus. And why do I say that? Not because I’m trying to, you know, tit for tat, like, poke holes in what God’s stirring in their heart. Not at all. Not at all. I want to encourage what God’s stirring in your heart. If that’s you that we’re talking about, if you feel like, man, I want to be like that guy. Well, Charlie wanted to be like Jesus, and I encourage you to do the same. And in so doing, he’s going to raise you up. You know, I don’t know what your name is. It’s not Charlie Kirk. It’s something else. But He created you uniquely and specifically for a purpose, and he wants to use you to change the world. And some of the things that Charlie Kirk accomplished, you may have the opportunity to do. You might do a podcast. You might go on college campuses, or you just might represent Christ well to your coworkers or your neighbors. But either way, you’re going to have an opportunity to be a force for good in God’s kingdom to help build the kingdom of God by representing truth. And there’s no higher calling to be in service to the King of Kings, representing truth in this day and age, an age that so desperately needs it. So by all means, pursue Jesus. And in the process, you may end up being just like Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER 02 :
Amen. And Bob, I know you’ve probably, like me, had listeners and people that have emailed, texted, commented, and so on, because he did have a large audience of those last two younger generations.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, he certainly did. And, you know, one of the things that that we have to we have to pay attention to, though, is the rhetoric and the response. Now, I mentioned earlier, I’m glad to see that there’s been zero riots from the right, zero bloodshed from anything like that. But the language that’s very often used that we see are words like – especially from the left, calling people – Charlie Kirk was called evil. He was called Hitler. He was called a fascist. He was called a Nazi. This kind of language. And – We have to recognize that you can’t use that kind of language for mainstream conservatism because Charlie Kirk – what did he – what are basic conservative values politically if you really think about it? OK, secure the border, deport illegal aliens, put convicted criminals in prison, reduce government size and dependency. have support for Israel, negotiate better trade deals, protect the unborn, protect children from gender-confusing drag queens in kindergarten. I mean, come on. Keeping men out of women’s sports and locker rooms and showers, protecting children from permanent gender body mutilation surgery. What else? Supporting school choice and vouchers, not being on the global bandwagon, global warming bandwagon, being a Christian who believes Jesus is the only way to heaven, supporting law enforcement. I mean, being pro-America. You can disagree with any of those policies. Okay, fine. But to call that evil, Nazi, Hitler? You know, I think about what Isaiah 520 says, woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. We are seeing this before our very eyes. Look what is being called evil and Hitler-esque and Nazi-esque in America today. And so that language has got to be toned down. But I see this as a spiritual battle above everything. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Which that leads right into pre-born, Bob, because that’s another spiritual battle. Whether people want to realize that or not, the life of the unborn and the regard of them is definitely a spiritual battle.
SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And, you know, we’ve been talking today about Charlie Kirk. And so we’re talking about the message you represented. And some people, I think, considered what he had to say as hate speech when the truth is they probably hated what he had to say that his you know, they hated his speech. And that’s a very different thing. Why would that be? Because. because they stand condemned in that sense. They realize they’re on the wrong side of truth. There’s an awful lot of people over the years that have bought the bill of goods that the pharmaceutical industry really wants to do what’s right for you and help heal your body. Pharmaceutical industry is not interested in any way in healing your body. They want you to be on medicine for the rest of your life. They want you taking pharmaceuticals for as long as you possibly can. And the effort is to keep you alive long enough to make billions of dollars off of you. And I think people are coming to their senses and realizing, I don’t want to be a part of that. I want to be cured. I want to be healthy. Well, in lieu of all that, I think there’s an awful lot of support for the Maha movement to make America healthy again movement. And people are looking critically at this whole issue. They want to know, how can I get better? How can I be healed? Well, did you know that light has healing properties? It does. You can look it up for yourself, and I urge you to go to sunpowerled.com. on CrawfordMediaGroup.net to learn about this. But the very light God himself created can be used to reduce pain, reduce swelling, and promote healing in your body. There’s hundreds, there’s thousands of testimonies of people whose bodies have been healed using light. Check it out for yourself. And by the way, what you can buy on Amazon is Mickey Mouse compared to the power of the devices sold by SunPowerLED. So check it out. Yeah, go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, SunPowerLED. And if you buy something, use the promo code ROUNDTABLE10. And because of our association with the famous John Rush, you’ll save yourself 10%.
SPEAKER 02 :
Love it. Okay, so this one is, I just got to say it, guys, just because it seems like it comes up every time. And our side, this is one thing where I will accuse our side of being more this way than the other side. Yeah, the other side can do this, but our side seems to gravitate towards the conspiratorial end of things. We’ve talked about that in the past on our program. We might have to do it again in the future. And my number one request to those individuals would be don’t. Don’t go down that path. A, it makes our side look really stupid. Don’t assume things unless you’ve got full proof of it. And I know everybody wants to think that things are much bigger than they might be. In this case, you know, there’s multiple shooters in the The CIA was behind it and the deep state wanted to take Charlie Kirk out and and the whole Israel Hamas end of things. It’s it’s it’s the you know, it’s the Mossad that wanted to take him out. I mean, guys, I have heard it all. And the reality is it just Bob, it just makes us look dumb when we go down that path.
SPEAKER 03 :
It really does. And that’s why people have to be so careful not to go chasing the conspiracy theory rabbit trails. Now, one thing, and I’m glad you brought this up, John, because I’m not a conspiracy theorist at all. I think you and I are very like-minded and stuff like that. I’m a very Occam’s razor kind of person. Whatever the simplest answer is, that’s most likely it. But that’s not always the case. I mean, there are certain things that I do believe that some people might be considering conspiratorial, if you will. I do believe that there’s a censorship effort to censor conservative and Christian viewpoints from academia and from, I think, the news media is biased. And some people might call that conspiratorial. I don’t. I think that’s a fact. You know, I do think that’s basic fact.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
But, you know, like, for example, the Christian Frank Turek was one of the conspiracy theories was look at this guy in the white hat who’s adjusting his hat. And it looks like he’s sending a signal right before the shooting. And Frank Turek’s like, that was me. No, I didn’t do that. I wasn’t sending anything.
SPEAKER 02 :
I’ve interviewed Frank many, many times. That would not be him doing that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know. Trust me. And I’ve interviewed Frank many times over the years, too. It’s like, no, we know better than that. Right. that it’s not just a lone gunman, that there were at least people that knew about this. And I don’t know. I’m open to the possibility it’s just him. But there does seem to be the FBI investigating these social media posts from before this, in the weeks leading up to this, where you had a handful of posts where they actually mentioned the September 10th date, saying, yeah, September 10th is going to be a big day. And then another one was, yeah, Charlie Kirk, September 10th. He doesn’t even know what’s coming.
SPEAKER 02 :
And Bob, I won’t deny that because, in fact, that may be some very things that fed into this particular individual doing what he did. And my feeling on this, and I’ve said this on air as well, if, in fact, that’s the case, every single one of those people need to be brought in and investigated immediately. And frankly, charged with co-conspiratorial murder, if you want to know my opinion on it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And then you got that old guy, that 71-year-old guy, who right after Charlie Kirk was shot, he says, I did it. I shot him. Now shoot me. I shot him. And he even admitted, my whole reason was to allow the real shooter to get away because the police would focus on me. Right. Were they in collusion with each other? Probably not. What’s his name? The shooter himself said in one of his posts with his boyfriend, yeah, some old dude was claiming the shooter or whatever. So it doesn’t sound like they were in collusion with each other. But little things like that. It does open to me the possibility that maybe, just maybe, there were other people that were somehow involved in a support system for this. But I don’t think that that’s going to the full-blown conspiracy thing if there were hand signals.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, and yeah, that one I’m not calling a conspiracy by any stretch of the imagination because what you just said could very well have happened. And maybe the old guy was involved in some of these things. you know, chat rooms. Those are the things that the FBI need to be investigating and determining. And quite frankly, again, as I said earlier, if in fact that’s true, those guys need to be called on the carpet and brought in as well. And Neil, my biggest point with all of this is that, you know, it’s okay to chase some of these other trails and to make sure that things are being done thoroughly. And I have no problem with calling people to accountability and making sure things are handled correctly. But to go as far as to say that, you know, this was the, this was Israeli Mossad that actually did this. That’s where it just starts to run off the rails. And he only just makes us look really unintelligent.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, some of it is absolutely bonkers. I heard one statement about the possibility that, you know, Donald Trump is sort of all about himself all the time is the claim and that he really only cares about him and winning. And so he won the election. Charlie Kirk, no doubt, helped him get elected. So now he was expendable because Trump can’t run again. So we need to create a diversion to get the conversation off of the Epstein files. So let’s order this guy to take him out so that it would create enough of a diversion that nobody’s talking about the Epstein files anymore. I mean, it’s insanity. And I really think we need to avoid that at all costs. We need to back off. I doubt that this, he may have told one or two other people. I doubt there was any network of people that were conspiring with him. It seems as though, from what we know, that you know law enforcement has learned that his conversation with his trans boyfriend slash girlfriend was you know news to the to this to this so-called lover that they were like wait what you shot him so i mean if he wasn’t having any kind now that could have been staged too but uh i seriously doubt that very many people were in on this if anyone else had knowledge of it at all
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and again, my biggest thing for all of you listening is just please, please, and I’m asking this sincerely, please, for the love of God, don’t go down these paths. You may think it in your mind. You know what? You can think whatever you want to. That’s all fine and dandy, but keep it to yourself. Don’t be out publicly spreading it. Some of you that listen to us that are even with your own podcasts and programs and so on, and like begets like, so trust me, guys. There’s a lot of folks out there listening to us that have their own shows and so on as well, and my advice would be Please just don’t, don’t go down that path. And, and I can’t, Bob, I just cannot stress that enough because it just, it doesn’t bode well for our side because they lump all of the, you know, the problem is the other side lumps all of us together, even though we’re not that way and we’re not in that camp, Bob, we get lumped into that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and it’s really unfortunate. So, John, I think you said it well, okay? Discipline yourself not to go down those rabbit trails, all right? Wait until the facts and the evidence comes out, but don’t jump on top of that bandwagon because all you’re doing is just making us look silly as Christians and conservatives, and we don’t need that. If it turns out that there’s actually credible evidence that shows that this shooting is connected to some higher group of people that hired him, okay, then fine. As soon as I see incontrovertible evidence of that, then I’ll be willing to follow wherever the evidence leads. But in the meantime, no, let’s not speculate. And by the way, can I just say also, this is kind of a side note, but… Guys, if I see one more media source like CBS News the other night reporting, hmm, we still don’t know a motive for this. A CBS reporter, the motive is elusive. He flat out admitted in his texts to his boyfriend that I wanted to take him out. He spreads hate. I hate him. OK, this is clearly because he became radicalized for the left and didn’t like Charlie Kirk’s conservative message and took him out for that reason. But it makes my eye twitch when I see how many in the media are still going, we just don’t we just don’t have a motive here. Yes, we do.
SPEAKER 02 :
one thing that I’ve talked about a lot this week as well, which we can cover here for a moment too, is just this whole, you know, some of the, some of the folks that are making comments in favor of the assassination now getting fired from their jobs. And in a lot of cases being very upset in thinking, wait a minute, I’ve got quote unquote free speech, uh, I should be able to say whatever I want to. Well, we believe in this country, and I know you two believe this, that, yeah, we have free speech. There’s also free consequences for the speech that you have. And at the end of the day, if your employer doesn’t like what you’re saying, and you are, if you’re representing them, then at that point in time, yes, Bob, you’ve been an employer in the past. Yes, they have full ability and full right to let you go if they want to.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. And by the way, let me just say that for everybody who says, oh, how can you right wingers support the idea of somebody being fired for expressing their views? It depends on what those views are. OK, because, yes, if I have an employee says, you know what, I happen to be pro-choice on the issue of abortion. Here’s my reasons for that. And they even posted that on social media. That’s fine, okay? However, if I have an employee who spews the N-word and then calls me an a-hole and whatever, then it’s like, hey, guess what? You’re fired because there are certain lines that you don’t cross. You’re not going to be arrested and put in jail because you do have freedom of speech in this country, but I also have the freedom to decide whether or not you are representing my company the way that I want it to be represented. So disagree, yes, but the way you disagree, that matters.
SPEAKER 02 :
I had a situation that I shared on air the other day as an employer whereby I had an employee. This is when social media first kind of got fired off. And I had a particular employee that posted some things about me and the company on his social media account and on Facebook in this particular case. And because of what he had said, I let him go. I fired him, terminated him. And he went to the labor board and tried to get unemployment, which I fought and ended up having a little trial where we went in front of a judge and And guys, at the end of the day, guess who won? I did. Because I had policy in my handbook that even said, you’re not allowed to do these things. And if you do, you will be terminated. And because he said things that, again, You’ve got freedom of speech, but I had the freedom of the consequence of that speech. And in this particular case, the unemployment board sided with me. The judge did sided with me and he did not get unemployment. Lesson learned on his part, by the way. But that’s something that I think we live in this day and age, Neil, whereby there’s a lot of folks out there. This is on the left and the right, both where they’re entitled and they feel like, you know, I can do anything without any consequences. And the reality is it just doesn’t work that way.
SPEAKER 04 :
It doesn’t, and it has ramifications. It ultimately, for a Christian, it reflects on who Jesus is, not just on your own job performance or whether or not you’re going to be able to keep your job. There are consequences, and part of the consequences may include people being distanced from the things of God as opposed to drawn near. The Bible encourages us to be winsome, which in so many ways means that we would In so many different ways, like according to the Apostle Paul, I’ve become all things to all men that by all means, I might save some. The idea that our desire should be to draw people to Jesus. And again, I don’t want to be super utopian about it. But, you know, the Bible says in James 119, be quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to anger. How many times do you see Christians getting on social media and they just want to drop the next bomb? They want to have a mic drop moment. And then somebody comes back with some other point like, well, Charlie Kirk was he was Hitler. And then they they post a thing. And it’s like, oh, well, what about this? What about this? You see, Charlie Kirk said this. And then they come back. Well, he was a misogynist. Oh, well, maybe you missed this. And it starts ramping up and going higher and higher. Where are we going with all of that? Are we winning their hearts to Christ? Are we winning these conversations? Ultimately, at some point, we need to back it down, let the Holy Spirit get the last word on this, because as I said earlier, truth always prevails. And I just think that we need to be cognizant of the reality that when we’re speaking, it’s not just for our, you know, not only our livelihood might be in danger because we could lose our jobs, but we could lose our witness and ultimately be responsible for somebody not ever again investigating the things of God because of something we said on the internet. I think we’ve got to be very careful.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yep, absolutely. Bob, and again, I know we’ve got Preborn coming up here in a moment as well, but a lot of what Neil just said is exactly right, and the reality is, yeah, we do need to speak the truth in love at all times, still standing up for what we believe in, and that’s where Preborn comes into play as well.
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SPEAKER 02 :
Awesome. Thank you, Neil. And one last thing I want to close with, guys, and this will be interesting to see how this pans out. I was reading an article early this morning talking about the shift away from college. And then and by the way, this is this has been happening. It’s not something that’s just happening because of last week, although, you know, I start to wonder, Bob. Are the events of last week, will they contribute even more to this shift away from college? What I mean by that is as more young people start to look at what happened and they start to get more involved and they realize that, wait a minute, all there is on a lot of these college campuses is a lot of brainwashing and propaganda and I can go do something else instead. I can learn a trade, for example. I will say this. I think there’s a lot of institutions that are in real trouble that if they don’t make some dramatic changes may not exist in the next decade because people are starting to wake up to the fact that, you know what, I can go out and make a pretty good living. In fact, I can make a better living without any debt doing something besides going to college. Absolutely. Charlie Kirk used to say that. Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
As far as the colleges go. And by the way, I don’t mind telling you I wear it as a badge of honor. I’ve never had a day of college in my life.
SPEAKER 02 :
Me neither.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. I’m not saying, oh, that’s evil to go to college or whatever. But you know what? It is like a minefield. It’s a worldview minefield when you send your kids out there to get their brains potentially scrambled. And so – To me, I don’t think it’s worth it. So I would love to see some of the fruit produced from this, less of an emphasis on going to college. I mean, John, I agree with you. And by the way, can I just say on a side note very quickly, whenever people talk about Democrats weaponizing the government against conservatives and Christians. Can I remind everybody the report just came out that during the Biden administration, sure enough, their FBI was investigating a bunch of conservative Christian groups, including Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA. So he was under FBI investigation under the Biden administration. Really? Great point. John, to your point, yes, I agree with you. I think people need to be second guessing the wisdom of college, not just to go into all that debt, but also the worldview brain scrambling that you’re going to get at the same time.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right, more to come on the next episode of the National Crawford Roundtable. As always, again, myself, John Rush, out of Denver, Colorado, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show, and Neil Boron from Buffalo, New York, Neil Boron Live. Guys, as always, thank you again. Don’t forget to tune in next week for another episode. But this has been the National Crawford Roundtable.
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