Join the National Crawford Roundtable as they confront a timeless issue that struggles against the test of history – anti-Semitism. Despite its recognized presence on the political left, there is a growing concern within conservative circles, creating a need for clarifying conversations. Listen in as the hosts explore how biblical prophecy, cultural biases, and scriptural misinterpretations shape the narrative. Amidst the backdrop of political, cultural, and spiritual discourse, the show offers critical insights into how these elements intersect, influencing both public opinion and political affiliations.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
Another edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. I’m your host today, John Rush, out of Denver, Colorado. My show is Rush to Reason, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show, and Neil Boron, Buffalo, New York, Neil Boron Live. And guys, we’re always pretty well known. We record this on Wednesday mornings, so good morning. Good morning. Good to have you with us.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks for being here.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right. We’re going to talk about something today that’s timeless. In fact, you may actually hear this particular episode repeat down the road because it’s one of those things that, quite frankly, has been going on for millennials, I guess you could say, thousands of years now. We’ve been dealing with this. And unfortunately, guys, it’s… Becoming a bigger and bigger problem inside of the GOP, inside of the Republican Party. And what I’m talking about is the anti-Semitism, the absolute hatred in some cases for Israel and the Jews. And I’ll get all sorts of hate mail on this because I get this almost on a daily basis. basis on my show from these particular individuals they’ll tell you that no it’s not that we hate israel that we hate the jews we just hate what israel is doing and this that and the other and the reality guys is they can say that they can put lipstick you know lipstick on a pig and make it sound like that that’s what they really mean but believe me i’ve got enough text messages and emails from these individuals to tell you that that is not what they believe there is genuine hatred inside of the Republican Party for Israel and the Jews. And I want to go through that today. We maybe will split this up a little bit. But first of all, I guess we’ll go around the table. Bob, we’ll start with you. I’m sure you’ve heard some of the same things I’ve heard on my program regarding this.
SPEAKER 03 :
I sure have. And it is a problem that I got to say, it’s not just the left that has a serious anti-Semitism problem. Although I don’t mind saying it is predominantly on the left, but… Well, they’re open about it, Bob.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s the difference is, in my opinion, they act like they’re not, but they’re very open in their anti-Semitism and… You know, what we’ve seen throughout the past couple of years on college campuses and so on, they’re absolutely open about it more so than the Republican Party. And before I move on to, I think, and get you guys’ opinion on this, but, and I’m very, you guys know me, I’m very libertarian minded. I don’t consider myself a libertarian because this is one of those areas where I have a distinct difference from the average libertarian because most libertarians are very anti-Israel, anti-Jew, Bob. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it is something that is unfortunately growing on the political right, and mostly with the younger generation. That’s right. So the young conservative Christians even, many Christian conservatives that are young, are buying into this kind of anti-Semitism. It is different than the left’s anti-Semitism, but it’s similar in that it’s still a kind of Jew hatred that they deny that they hate Jews, but they do. And I’ve had conversations with these people and with younger people before on this. A lot of what drives it from what I hear is, first of all, that the Jews in Israel today are not really the original Jews from years ago. Hear it all the time. Right. So these are basically carpetbaggers, if you will, claiming Judaism when they’re really not. Secondly, Israel is a secular nation for the most part anywhere. They’re not even religious Jews in the first place. And then third, and I know this is very politically incorrect, but let’s throw it out there, okay? The Jews control everything. They control the media.
SPEAKER 01 :
They can
SPEAKER 03 :
Control Hollywood Entertainment, the banking industry and such. And so they have such tremendous power. And Satan, we know, is working through a lot of organizations in this country and the world through academia and through Hollywood and a bunch of evil things and anti-Christian things and pedophilia and all that kind of stuff. Look what Satan is doing through Hollywood. Well, guess what? Hollywood happens to be run mostly by Jews. And so, therefore, Satan is basically using Jews and powerful Jews as a portal to spread his evil around the world. So, John, in a nutshell, those are the reasons mainly that I’ve heard to justify their sense of anger toward the Jews.
SPEAKER 01 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
How we should respond to that, I think that’s going to be an important part of this conversation. And part of responding has got to be to acknowledge some things that legitimately are true. I mean let’s face it. Jewish people by and large – do tend to disproportionately be in high power positions in the media and entertainment, in news, in the banking world, and things like that, okay? So there is an amount of influence there. Israel is a secular nation, okay? This is true. And so there are some of these things. Now, the question is, do we respond with hatred then? You know, I mean, Jews have turned their back on God through Jesus Christ, of course. Most of them don’t accept Yeshua, Jesus as Messiah. So they’re wrong about that. And even though the Messianic Jewish movement is growing and growing in Israel, and that’s great, but still Jews need to accept Jesus to be saved. However, it’s prophesied in Scripture that Jews are going to have a hardened heart toward him and that they are going to turn away from God. So this is a fulfillment of prophecy. But my point is, and then I’ll… be done filibustering here, but my point is, and what I’ve told these young people before, is that, yes, Israel is kind of like a prodigal to God right now. They have turned their back on God. This is a fulfillment of prophecy. However, God still loves the prodigal. If one of your own sons or daughter’s walked away from you, walked away from the family, you would still love them and be ready to receive them back with open arms. Well, God still loves the Jews, and he’s ready to receive them back with open arms. I want to love who God loves and not hate them just because they’ve gone prodigal.
SPEAKER 02 :
Amen. Neal, your thoughts, and I know we’ve got to go to our advertisers in a moment, but give us your thoughts, if you would.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t have a lot of additional info or anything to add based on what you and Bob are saying. I’ve heard similar things. I haven’t dealt with this issue directly on NBL. We’ve talked about, you know, world affairs. We’ve talked about Israel many times and we talk about Judaism and messianic Judaism, those kind of things. But the idea of this growing anti-Semitism. even in the GOP, haven’t addressed that directly. So this is going to be a, you know, fulfilling conversation, I think, in a lot of different ways. It’s going to be important for all of us. But bottom line is, you know, Israel has always been a part of God’s plan. That’s what the Bible clearly indicates. Also, Israel has been rebellious towards God. I mean, what, five seconds after, you know, Moses comes down off the mountain, they’re melting, gold right and forming it into idols i think it was five seconds it was about five seconds you know five maybe six seconds neil maybe six well and you know what about us we’re disobedient too we all need a savior and and the bible’s clear that that jews play into our salvation and so i think we got to be careful having a conversation like this to not just talk about opinion or what you know trends are on college campuses and all that by the way agree that we’re seeing tons of anti-Semitism, but that there’s a real biblical link to all of this. And let’s keep the Bible central in what we’re talking about. I think it’s important.
SPEAKER 02 :
Speaking of all that, Bob, real quick, talk to us about pre-born. I’m going to segue into this, and then we’ll come back to that because Neil just brought up a great point. But that applies also to pre-born and the truths that are there. By the way, the other side wants to distort pre-born.
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And I appreciate both of you guys mentioning both those organizations. They’re fabulous. They help put on what you guys are listening to, the rest of you are listening to on a weekly basis, and we appreciate them greatly. Neil, going back to what your comments were a moment ago regarding, you know, we need to look at things scripturally and all of that, which, by the way, fully, fully agree with. And I think that’s, and I want to go back to Bob on this, because Bob, you’re very much, Neil is as well, but you’re very much an expert on this, although we probably all three are. I mean, I can hold my own when it comes to dispelling some of these things where people will say that, you know, it’s not really Israel any longer. In fact, I’ve heard even say, Bob, you know, we’re the new Israel. And I think they forget that we’re not the new Israel. Scripture is very clear. We as Gentiles have been grafted in. There’s an entire passage of Scripture dedicated to what I just said a moment ago. And it’s interesting, Bob, to me that these anti-Israelites, these anti-Jews that are inside of the GOP, and I realize there’s a lot on the left as well, but right now I’m focusing on the GOP and literally this split that’s starting to happen. The reason why I wanted to talk about this is this is going to be ongoing. I don’t see this going away yet. anytime soon, but Bob, these people seem to be picking and choosing, because here’s what I’ve done. I’ve challenged each and every one of them that text or email me that I’m wrong, and Israel’s evil, and the Jews are evil, and this, that, and the other, and I’m always, prove to me in Scripture your side of that argument, and I’ll be happy to have that discussion. Bob, it’s crickets when you go down that path, because they pick and choose what they want out of Scripture to explain their side. Am I right in what I’m saying there?
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re absolutely right, because it is very clear in Scripture that God made an everlasting covenant with Israel, okay? He did with Jacob and beyond there, from the line of Abraham. And this is something that’s everlasting. I do not believe in so-called replacement theology or anything like that at all. But God establishing an everlasting covenant with Israel, that doesn’t mean that Jews don’t need to accept Yeshua, Jesus as Messiah, to be saved.
SPEAKER 02 :
It doesn’t mean they’re perfect, Bob. That’s right. Say what? It doesn’t mean they’re perfect by any stretch of the imagination. Exactly. None of us ever said that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. When Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, the life, no one comes to the Father but by me, okay, he was speaking to Jews, okay? The key word is no one. Right. No one comes to the Father but by me. And he was talking to Jews. He came to the Jew first and then the Gentile, okay?
SPEAKER 02 :
Let’s stop there for a minute because I think the thing that the other side forgets, and this is my view, but I don’t think I’m wrong in this, He came to them first because they’re his chosen people, his desire. It’s almost like that. And I know we don’t play favorites when we have kids, but you know what? Sometimes you have those kids that you just have more of a fondness to than others. And it’s just the way life is. You can say that it doesn’t exist, but, Bob, it actually does. And in this case, they were the chosen people. They were his chosen ones. He went to them first because of that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And you know something? This is something where we need to recognize as Gentiles, all right, and Gentiles are pretty much anybody who’s not a Jew, okay? As Gentiles, we are grafted in. We ought to be thankful that we’re grafted in, and so much so. If you think of this, when somebody adopts a child, okay, let’s say you have your natural-born child and then you adopt a child, and you consider that child not a second-class citizen, but that child is just as much loved. That’s right. And now suddenly there’s no difference between son and daughter because that daughter has been grafted in. She’s now, just as the Apostle Paul said, in Christ Jesus, there is no Jew nor Greek, okay? He’s talking about Jew nor non-Jew. So in God, in Christ Jesus, we now have… equal standing and equal love with God, but that doesn’t mean that God’s everlasting covenant wasn’t with Israel and Israel first. So we should be thankful that we were grafted in. And personally, I think this is a means of keeping the Gentile from developing too much pride, if you will. It does require a little bit of humility to say, you know what, the Jew was first, and I have been grafted in and invited to their party, and I’m thankful for that. Sometimes we wanna just say, no, let’s just eliminate that, let’s go replacement theology, and God’s covenant with me is no different than it was with Israel. Well, no, it is different. We all need to accept Jesus, but the Jew came first. We came second, and we need to be content with that. And the fact that he’s prepared a place for us in heaven just the same, and I think we should be thankful for that and not try to go, oh, yeah, well, the Jews aren’t so much and come up with all of our reasons why.
SPEAKER 02 :
Neil, I think, and Bob just brought up a great point that I really hadn’t thought of prior, so I appreciate his comments because really what he’s saying and what I see in this is this is a pride issue. You’ve got a bunch of individuals now, Gentiles, because Bob’s right. If you’re not a Jew, you’re a Gentile. It’s pretty simple as far as that goes. At the end of the day, Neil, these are basically Gentiles putting themselves or wanting to put themselves above that particular group of individuals that allowed us to be grafted in As Christians, and again, Neil, I read the Bible myself many times. I’ve taught Sunday school, adult Sunday school, kids Sunday school. I mean, I have been through some of this stuff, you know, grew up in a Christian home, Christian school, all of that. I’ve probably been to more church services than most people ever have thought of being in their entire life and heard many a sermon on this particular topic. And at the end of the day, Neil. These individuals that are picking and choosing what they see out of Scripture is, frankly, it’s appalling to me. I don’t know how else to say it. It absolutely, I mean, I call these people what they actually are. They’re Jew haters. They can’t prove from Scripture why they are, but they are down and out Jew haters.
SPEAKER 03 :
I do think it’s driven by pride. I do too. Neil, to you, but I think that that’s an underlying theme that permeates all of this. It’s almost like Lucifer in the beginning that he wanted to be equal with God, that we don’t want to be, quote unquote, second class standing in line behind the Jews. That’s right. And it’s like, no, let’s practice some humility here.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I don’t have much to add to that, but let me just say, you know, when we refer to the Jews as God’s chosen people, yes, he chose them very specifically, ultimately, that salvation would come from them. John 4.22 says salvation is from the Jews. So, like, our salvation, the idea that we can know God and have a relationship with him ultimately came through Jesus, who, by the way, was Jewish.
SPEAKER 02 :
Who was a Jew fallen through and through. That’s the other thing, Neil, that people forget. And is Jewish. know he didn’t start his ministry until the age of 30 because that’s when you had to be that’s the age you had to be to be a rabbi at that point in time so the reality is he was jew through and through are these people forgetting that neil yeah and then you look at you know all of the jewish feasts and festivals and the various symbolic things we see in judaism like for instance the passover
SPEAKER 04 :
you know um that where the blood is applied the the angel of death passes over but christ’s blood applied to our lives gives us salvation a home in heaven freedom from sin etc so i mean it’s all tied in jesus is coming back and the word of god is clear that one day he’s going to set his feet back down on planet earth and guess where he’s going to be at the mount of olives he’s going to be in jerusalem which is israel you know let’s let’s wake up to that but what i wanted to say about the word chosen people i always struggle with that a bit like what does that mean that they’re chosen why would god choose them does that mean he likes them better well he did set his affection upon them it says in deuteronomy chapter 7 the lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples for you were the fewest of all peoples but it was because the lord loved you and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh, king of Egypt. Like, he does have affection for Israel, but I think it’s largely for, well, for one important reason, because salvation would come from them. They are integral to the entire salvation story, to the gospel. The Jewish people, and here’s another aspect to it, to be chosen You know, if they say, OK, we need we don’t know if these parachutes work, but we need somebody to to test them out. We’re not sure they’re going to work. They might be too old. They might fall apart when you try to use them in midair. But, John, I’m choosing you. Go ahead, John. You jump out of the plane with the parachute. Right. Like they were chosen. by God to demonstrate to the world that we can’t save ourselves by the Ten Commandments. Yeah, he gave us the law, but what does the law do? It leads us to Jesus. Why? Because nobody can keep the law. Everybody failed except for Christ. So in a way, they were a guinea pig of sorts chosen by God to help prove to the world that like when Adam and Eve thought they could be like God and save themselves and have all knowledge and whatever, That that’s not true, that ultimately we can’t save ourselves even with knowledge of who God is. And, you know, coming to the end of ourselves, we realize, my goodness, I’ve broken every one of the laws multiple times. Like, where in the world do I go from here? And the answer is to Jesus. God needed to prove through the law that. that mankind is incapable of saving himself. And I think God chose the Jews to help demonstrate that. That’s, in one sense, not a badge of honor, and yet also part of the ultimate redemption plan for mankind, that God would choose a people from which Jesus would come, the perfect Lamb of God who took away the sins of the world. Thank God for our salvation, which is found in Jesus, the Jew.
SPEAKER 02 :
Amen. And, you know, Bob Neal brought up a lot of great points there and some things I want to add to that for those that don’t think that they still exist today, which we’ll get into that maybe in the second half, maybe get into some of the political ends of things and so on. But, you know, not to get weird or anything along those lines, but circumcision, which that’s even another thing that’s being debated today. And I believe it’s partly due to the topic we’re talking about today, by the way, because the way that God separated his people at that time, the biggest way he did it was through circumcision, which when you think about it, you’re like, man, that’s a weird way to do things. But it was a way of separating his people, the clean from the unclean, if you would. And, you know, those unclean Philistines, it talks about that in the scripture. And In fact, at one point in time, David was commanded by Saul because Saul didn’t think he could actually do it, was to go out and get X amount of foreskins and bring those back in. And anyway, some stuff that you think about today, it’s like, man alive, they went through a lot of things back in the day. But Neil’s right. They were God’s chosen people, started with Abraham, as we all know, and went down from there. And why? Well, because of the redemption of the world. That’s why.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s right. And so I – look, I do believe that as we talk about this – and you mentioned, John, that maybe in the second half we’ll talk a little bit about who are the Jews and do they exist. I can imagine that some people listening to us right now – maybe screaming at their computers or their radios going, but the Jews in Israel are not Jews. They are not the Jews. You guys keep talking about the Jews, okay, but the Jews don’t exist. You know, they’re not in Israel anymore. Who are the Jews? And so it does seem like that’s an elephant in the room to a lot of the anti-Semitism that’s on the right today. So I do hope that we get into that and we can address that issue in the second half. But But yes, I mean, you’re right. This is something that God established through Abraham, Isaac, and then, of course, Jacob, Israel. And he established this covenant with the Jewish people. And so we can’t deny that. We can’t just sweep that under the rug. We have to acknowledge it. And he did, in fact, create a separation there. between them. Now, in Christ Jesus, we’re no longer under the law, okay? Jewish people do not have to be circumcised, okay? The Apostle Paul talked about this. So they’re not under the law. They don’t have to be. This may be a mark that identifies them with their Judaism, but it’s not something that’s required. I mean, culturally, most Gentiles are circumcised. I which I don’t know if I have time, but there’s just something really important on the side, a tangential note that I’d like to mention about circumcision, okay? For all the Bible skeptics out there who say that the Bible isn’t really inspired by God and such, Do you know one of the things medically that’s been discovered today is that when newborn babies, when baby boys are circumcised and are circumcised on the day that they’re born, they’re given a shot of vitamin K. The reason they’re given a shot of vitamin K is because vitamin K produces prothrombin. Prothrombin is a coagulating agent in the body that helps the blood clot. So newborn babies don’t have enough prothrombin. And so if you circumcise a baby boy, he’ll bleed too much. He’ll lose too much blood. We now medically know prothrombin levels increase after birth, and they hit a peak point where they’re at about 110% of normal levels, and then it drops down after that to the normal level for the rest of their life. Do you know that the peak level is eight days after birth? We now medically know there’s eight days after birth. Wow. Your blood will clot faster any time in your life on day eight after birth. Isn’t it interesting? And that’s why they give vitamin K shots to produce more prothrombin for the newborn babies. Isn’t it interesting that thousands of years ago God instructed his people, circumcise your baby boys specifically on the eighth day? How could that be known? The Holy Spirit knows that, but how could the human mind have known that then?
SPEAKER 02 :
Amen. Lead that into pre-born for us, Bob, as well, because it fits right in.
SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
That’s it, guys, for the first half of the National Crawford Roundtable. Second half is next.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome back. Second half, National Crawford Roundtable. Myself, John Rush out of Denver, Colorado. Of course, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan. Neil Boron, Buffalo, New York. And guys, I want to read something to you guys. This is the aza-pack.com and this is the I don’t know exactly what AZA PAC stands for, but let me read to you what this particular homepage actually says. Zionism has taken over the U.S. government as the constant subservience to Israel in word and deed makes eminently clear. Opposing Zionism in America means ridding the government of Zionists who serve Israel over the United States. This demands, among other measures, confronting and competing with entrenched lobbies like AI PAC, C-U-F-I-N-J Street. These groups ban U.S. policy to favor foreign agendas. Zionist influence drains American resources, undermines U.S. sovereignty, and runs counter to the interests of the American people. More on that later, by the way. These and other powerful pro-Israel groups have captured most members of our political class who extort money from U.S. taxpayers, censor the voices of citizens and residents, and prioritize endless foreign entanglements over domestic prosperity. As a PAC harnesses a growing consensus among Americans from across the political spectrum, the American people increasingly disapprove of Israel’s belligerence and U.S. involvement in Israel’s perpetual conflicts, including its utter demolition of the Gaza Strip. We help Americans reject policies that enable Zionist occupation at home and abroad. Join this broad grassroots coalition that bridges the political divide, uniting progressives and conservatives alike. Only together will we overcome these nefarious influences and prevail. We will cut wasteful foreign military aid, champion universal human rights, and promote peace worldwide. Our goal is to reclaim the U.S. government for the American people in doing so. The world is made a better, safer, and more peaceful place. And guys, after reading all of that, I just want to throw up, but that’s another, we’ll get into some of this and break down some of where they’re 1,000% wrong in their thoughts here. But the one sentence here that, and Bob, I’ll start with you, that is probably the most bothersome of all. is join this broad grassroots coalition that bridges the political divide, uniting progressives and conservatives alike. In other words, let’s unite Marxists and Christians alike. That’s essentially what they’re saying.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they are. And that’s the connecting bond thing. Between them, hey, let’s join together and hate on Israel and hate on Jews.
SPEAKER 02 :
I want to add, so all of you Christians, so-called Christians that are out there that fit into this particular conversation we’re talking about today, remember, when you’re going against Israel the way that a lot of you are, you’re nothing more than a Marxist at that point in time, in my opinion, Bob.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Well, here’s what we got to remember, too. And I want to make sure and stress this. I do believe, and I know we’ve talked about this in many, many different issues, and I’m going to say it again right now. I believe that this is a spiritual battle at its core. I really do. Because if you think about, think about Israel for just a second, logically, okay? Let’s pretend you’re an atheist. You don’t even believe that there’s a God. In the natural, how do you explain a little country, a little strip of land no bigger than New Jersey, being the center of such worldwide strife around the world? How can such a little country be so influential in much of the strife and division and fighting and everything else in the world if there’s not something supernatural at work there? You can look at the United Nations. The United Nations each year They declare who are the number one persecutor of human rights and women’s rights in the entire world. Do you know their number one persecutor of human rights and number one persecutor of women’s rights? Not China with their forced abortion policies. Not North Korea. Not Sudan. Okay. Not Nigeria. No Middle Eastern nation. Nope. Israel. Israel, the number one violator of human rights, number one violator of women’s rights in the world. Okay? This is the United Nations. Based on what? I’m telling you. It is insane. Based on the so-called occupation of the Palestinian territories and such. And so what I’m telling you is there is a hatred, a hatred worldwide that is applied toward Israel. And if there’s… If Scripture wasn’t true, there is no explanation in the natural for why so many people around the world would be emotionally vested in a hatred for Israel that they can’t even really put their finger on why. I submit to you that God’s light is supposed to be an offense to a darkened world. And God loves Israel. He loves the Jews. And what God loves, Satan hates. And therefore, Satan hates the Jews. And consequently, I think a lot of people around the world don’t even know that the real core for their hatred of Jews is not because of all of the surface earthly things we talk about, but it’s because spiritually they are offended by by what God loves, and they’re being influenced by demonic forces. That’s what I really think is going on, to over-spiritualize it, if you will.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, I think, Bob, you’re right on. Neil, I get your thoughts on that as well, but Bob, I can’t disagree with that at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I fully agree. And by the way, that footprint you talked about of, you know, how tiny, like Israel being no bigger than the size of New Jersey, and yet the entire focus and hatred of the world is on Israel. The land that they possessed originally, the promised land, was actually a bigger footprint than what they have now. And then they, you know, offered Gaza as an olive branch of sorts to the Palestinian people. 2005, yeah. Yeah, and they moved out and said, okay, this is yours. You can live here. which in that sense is sort of a two-state solution. I don’t want to use that term really, but the point is they were accommodating for the needs of the people living in Gaza who were not Jewish and who didn’t want, quote, Jewish occupation. I’m not really realistically using that word. But in the long run, and there was peace. There was a peace agreement in effect when the Palestinians invaded Israel in October of 2023, I think it was. Have I lost? Yes, 23. All of that, just absolutely shocking. Why in the world can’t the rest of the world live at peace with Israel? And the reason is they want them exterminated. I think demonically, I think even if people don’t understand what they’re doing, they’re working against the people of God. As the Bible says, if you’ve got a problem with that, don’t email me, Bob or John. Go to the word of God and take it up with the Lord who said that these are his people. And this is his plan. And this is where, by the way, if people say, well, you know, they are now occupying land that doesn’t belong to them. Well, how did the temple get there? The temple was there because thousands of years ago. You know, they established themselves. That was their home. That was the land that God gave to them. So all those arguments are ridiculous. And I can’t believe that they’re still going on. But you mentioned college campuses. And I think that’s where the confusion and the delusion is coming in is through the progressive teaching people are getting on college campuses about all this.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
And Bob, let’s dovetail into that because this whole thing I read earlier about Zionism taking over the U.S. government and the fact that we support Israel the way we do. And by the way, for all of you listening, I think our budget to Israel, Bob, correct me, I think it’s about $4 billion a year roughly, I want to say, maybe a little more than that. But at the end of the day, cheapest date on the planet when it comes to keeping peace and some of the technology advancements and things that we get out of them that we share back and forth. it’s just, it’s huge. Again, guys, it’s one of the cheapest dates out there to get the peace and the exposure, I guess you could say, in that part of the world. I absolutely, as a taxpayer, I’m all for that. I would pay double that, triple that even if need be, Bob, to keep the peace and do what’s needed over there. But this whole idea that they are the attacker, they are the aggressor, and You know, it’s the Mossad and they’re the ones that are doing all these bad things. In fact, there’s there’s lunacy, conspiracy theories that, you know, Mossad was actually behind the 9-11 attacks and this, that and the other. I mean, some of the stuff that I hear about, it just makes my head want to explode. Some of these people get off on these rabbit trails of just utter nonsense. And the reality is Israel, when it comes to our defense mechanisms in the Middle East, it is the cheapest date we’ve got.
SPEAKER 03 :
It really is. And we’ve got to remember, too, that doesn’t mean that we’re always going to agree with everything Israel does.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, Donald Trump pulled him back on several things here recently, Bob. And these people that say that Israel rules over Donald Trump, by the way, no one rules Donald Trump, period. So that, again, is another one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard said, Bob. I know it really is.
SPEAKER 03 :
But the fact is, we’re not going to agree. Sometimes Israel is going to make mistakes. Sometimes Israel is going to counterpunch. We make mistakes. Exactly. Everybody does that. OK, but that doesn’t mean that we have this this hatred in our heart for them. And that’s what is is breeding a lot. And let me just say on a side note, I do understand that there’s a lot of people that really get hung up on, well, but who are really the Jews? Are they really the Jews? Number one, you can’t say that there’s a Jewish race because there’s only one human race, the human race, okay? There are debates about what percentage of Jewish genetic DNA can be traced back theoretically to Abraham. And is it a cultural identity, a religious identity? Is it an ethnic and genetic identity? I understand all the debates that can happen around that. But it still doesn’t change the fact that whether you think that that person is a Jew or not really a Jew… You have hatred in your heart for somebody who perceives themselves to be a Jew, and we cannot have that kind of hatred in our heart. We need to love the prodigal that God loves.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and really quick, I would challenge some of what you just said on that, Bob, because, I mean, I can go do a DNA test. I have. I can look back and see the Rush name in my— My background is mostly English, which is where that name came from, by the way, and I’m about two-thirds that. So, yeah, there’s been some other blending in from other family members and so on. But at the end of the day, am I mostly English? Yeah, Bob, I am.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I don’t have a problem with being able to genetically figure out what you mostly are. What I’m saying is there’s a debate about how genetically – Commonly what people say is if you can show that you’re 25% genetically Jewish, then you can call yourself, quote unquote, a Jew. But my point is I’m talking about the hatred that people have in their heart toward Jews. What I’m saying is it doesn’t matter if that person is really a Jew or not really a Jew. It doesn’t matter. Even if they perceive themselves to be, you are hating somebody who calls himself a Jew. Why? Why?
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, so and well, I want to flip this and Neil, I’ll go to you. You know, let’s just say, for example, that Israel wasn’t Israel. Let’s call it, I don’t know, some other some other country. I don’t pick a name. And they’re not Jews. There’s some other, you know, I agree with Bob. You know, it’s all one race, the human race. But let’s just say it’s a different culture than than the Jews that are there in Israel. But they still will do for us as a country what Israel is doing. They’ll share technology. They’ll come up with new technologies, by the way. The Iron Dome and things along those lines. I mean, it’s a very intelligent culture, I guess you could say, Neil. And at the end of the day, I don’t care if it’s Israel or if it’s Zimbabwe. At the end of the day, if we’re getting out of that country what we get from Israel, I have no problem supporting them. It isn’t just because they’re Israel is my point that we support them. It’s what are we getting as a country out of Israel is the way I’m looking at it.
SPEAKER 04 :
there’s a geopolitical benefit yeah well we’ve always had a belief that um the best you know way to defend yourself is to have a strong military and key allies you know uniquely positioned around the world israel has been an ally of the united states for years and and by the way if you look at bob was talking earlier about you know how does this little country even exist when the entire region where they’re located hates them and is constantly shooting missiles into israel from all you know every conceivable angle various terrorist groups etc constantly in that sense at war with israel so um how do they even exist but you know the word of god is clear that people that bless Israel will be blessed. And the United States has stood as an ally to Israel, a friend to Israel, a cooperative nation with Israel on so many different fronts. And what two nations would you say in the world have been the most blessed over, you know, over the years. Now, Israel’s endured tremendous persecution, but hasn’t utterly been snuffed out. And what I think we’re seeing there is the faithfulness of God to make good on his promises. And I don’t want to be on the other side of the equation when somebody says, well, what’s happened to the United States? Well, we quit supporting Israel and we disappeared as a nation. I really honestly believe that it’s part of the command of the people of God to support God’s plan and purpose. And it comes through the Jewish people. Jesus, as we said earlier, is a Jew. And his name is Jesus Christ, which is where we get the word Christianity. Christianity is inextricably linked to Judaism. There’s no two ways around it. And I guess if people want to try to make up that, you know, real Jews don’t exist anymore, blah, blah, blah. Well, Jesus does. He’s the eternal God, and Jesus is a Jew, and he’s coming back again, and we report to him. Every knee will bow, every tongue confess that he is the King of kings and Lord of lords, and that’s going to be Jews and Christians alike and even detractors, even atheists are going to have to admit that Jesus is who he said he was and is. So I don’t know. I just want to focus on the idea that how in the world – Has the United States been so blessed over the years? And I think in large part because of our love for God and the things of God and his word and the Jewish people. And I just think it’s all part of the blessing God has bestowed on the United States over the years that we’ve enjoyed such prosperity.
SPEAKER 02 :
Agreed. And again, Bob, reading some of that paragraph that I mentioned earlier as we open up the second half, we’ll cut wasteful foreign military aid. Bob, as a government, as the United States, especially as we’ve seen through the shutdown and so on, The little bit that we give to Israel is almost a rounding error with a lot of the other programs we have in the way we snap and everything else, Bob. At the end of the day, we would be far better off to focus our efforts in those areas as we would be how much aid do we give Israel.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I know. And look, I mentioned geopolitically before, Israel is the – it’s our closest ally in the Middle East. It’s the closest thing to an actual democracy that exists in the Middle East. So even geopolitically, we should absolutely be supporting them if you even remove the biblical equation from this. Correct. Correct. But there’s still – One of the things I did want to throw out on the table, though, because I know we talked about this early on, okay, I don’t want to completely ignore the anti-Semitic argument that the Jews control everything. Well, first of all, the Jews don’t control everything, but we don’t want to stick our head in the sand and be in denial to the fact that If you look at the leaders of the Hollywood industries, of the news media, and of much of the banking world, it is true that you typically have a disproportionate number of Jewish leaders at the forefront of that. Okay, well, Jews have all the money. Well, they don’t have all the money, but on average, Jewish people do tend to be more moneyed than a lot of other people around the world. Now, the question is, what are we going to do with that? Are we going to have the liberal leftist Marxist mindset of pointing our finger at somebody that has more than us and then have a covetousness and an anger and a hatred toward that? No. And by the way, I don’t rule out the possibility that because God chose Israel and blesses the Jewish people, that even if they don’t follow him, that they may still be enjoying the blessings of God’s covenant that he bestowed on them. It could very well be even if they’ve turned their back on them, you know. Look, if the prodigal walks away from the dad, he still has the dad’s genetic makeup and potentially the skills and abilities and whatever or the blessings that God may have given him, even if he’s squandering and turning his back on them. So this could just be the remnant of God blessing the Jewish people, even though the Jewish people aren’t realizing that they’re being blessed by God.
SPEAKER 02 :
And along those lines, Bob, some of that, I think, and this is something that, again, I don’t think a lot of people really look at, That culture, I’ve been good friends with certain Jewish individuals, families and such over the years. And the one thing that I know that they do culturally speaking in their families, which is different than a lot. I mean, I get it. Some of our families do the same thing. But the one thing that they do is they foster internally, Bob, a lot of what you just talked about. They foster. talk about those things. They’re very, you know, family oriented when it comes to teaching their kids and making sure that they understand some of the things you just mentioned a moment ago. And is it intrinsically because they have been blessed by God or is it because they continue to foster that from generation to generation? Or is it a combination of the two? I don’t know, Bob, but it’s probably a combination of the two. But at the end of the day, are they are they more able to do some things that other people groups don’t do because of what i just mentioned yeah plain and simple yes is the answer
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I believe that could very well be the case. We just have to, and I keep bringing it back to this, we just have to determine, are we going to have hatred in our hearts toward them because they may be blessed or benefiting in a lot of different areas? And by the way, I don’t rule out, I mean, I acknowledge that Satan is working evil through a lot of different portals. That’s right. And many of the portals that he’s working through do happen to be run by a lot of prominent Jewish people. Okay, fine. That doesn’t justify me having a hatred in my heart. If one of my kids, John, if one of your kids not only went prodigal but became an activist for Planned Parenthood or became a Satanist even, we’ll say, if one of your kids did that, you wouldn’t stop loving your child. You’d keep on praying for them. And if they came to their senses and said, Dad, I’m sorry, you’d welcome them back with open arms. So would you, Neil. Absolutely. so would I, so would our Heavenly Father to the Jews.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. Niels, we wrap things up. Talk to us about SunPowerLED, if you would.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And just before I get to that, let me mention real quick that the Jews have been blessed, but they’ve also endured exile, persecution, slavery. They endured the Holocaust, et cetera. I mean, they’ve been the recipient of tremendous hardship over the years. And yet they remain friendly to the United States. I love that. Anyway, SunPower LED. This is a wonderful organization that puts out a product you can’t get anywhere else. I mean, there is red light therapy. Floating around out there, you can buy stuff on Amazon or maybe go to the store and get a bunch of laser lights and tape them all together. But you’ll never get the concentrated power that you will from a product made by SunPower LED. Harnessing red and near-infrared light waves and energizing your body through it, energizing the cells in your body to promote – healing to reduce pain and swelling. It’s incredible how light therapy is not only working, but becoming popular as an all natural remedy. I mean, people are sick and tired of using drugs that don’t work, drugs that require you going on more medication to deal with the effects of the first medication, et cetera. And surgical options are not always possible or warranted or wanted. So if you’re interested in getting rid of pain and swelling in your body and seeing yourself live a happier, healthier life, I encourage you. to connect with SunPower LED, you can do that at CrawfordMediaGroup.net. And by the way, watch the videos, you know, learn all about it. But if you happen to order a product, use the promo code Roundtable10. And because you’re a listener to the National Crawford Roundtable, you’ll get yourself a 10% discount. Roundtable10 by clicking on SunPowerLED at CrawfordMediaGroup.net, which is also, Bob, where you can find our longtime sponsor, Preborn.
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SPEAKER 02 :
Guys, that’s it again. Another edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. Appreciate all of you listening. Again, as always, if there’s comments or suggestions, whatever, please make sure you email Bob Duco, not myself. Complaints and criticisms. It’s John. All right, guys, again, another episode of the National Crawford Roundtable. Appreciate y’all listening. Appreciate our sponsors as well. Appreciate both of you. And again, guys, be blessed out there and go read scripture regarding Israel.
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