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In our conversation, we also introduce a fascinating piece of technology: the LeakBot, an innovative tool for monitoring water flow and potential leaks in your system. Learn how this device can help you keep tabs on water usage and prevent costly leaks, making it a worthwhile investment for any homeowner. Later, we field insightful calls from listeners offering tips on managing water pressure and safeguarding your home while you’re away, ensuring you’re equipped with the knowledge to handle whatever challenges may arise.
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Walter? Upstairs! Are you alright?
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In the floor behind the chair.
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Does everybody know what time it is? Fix It Radio!
SPEAKER 11 :
And it’s that time, Fix It Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us on this Saturday morning. It is October the 11th, a little bit overcast this morning, but temperatures aren’t bad. You’ll probably still be out and about doing some things around the house. We’ll get into a few of those things today. Larry Unger with me today. Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer as well. Good morning, Larry. Good morning, John. And, again, folks, it’s not a bad day. It’s actually 60 degrees roughly out right now, and it feels warmer than that when you’re outside.
SPEAKER 14 :
It does. I got a little bit of sprinkle when I came down here to the studio this morning, but nothing serial.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep. Now, if you’re listening to us on another day, a replay or… or tuesday or whatever i don’t know what the weather is going to be here moving forward we’re getting into that time of the year where we could have some colder weather starting still not to the point where you can if you want to but still not to the point where you need to shut your sprinkler system down now i did talk to somebody the other day that went ahead and shut theirs down because they’re going to be leaving for a couple of weeks okay Yeah, if you’re going to be doing something along those lines, going on vacation, long trip, something along those lines, yeah, I would probably go ahead and get that done now. You see a lot of the sprinkler companies running around and doing the blowouts and so on. And yeah, we’re at that time where if you’re somebody that you’re comfortable doing that and you know exactly what to do or you have somebody do it, go ahead and get that scheduled. I am still the type that… I’ll, you know, I’ll water until we start getting down into the, oh, for me, it has to be the higher 20s, you know, 27, 28 degrees or so. Once it starts getting to that point, the grass will start to go a little bit more dormant and I’ll stop watering at that point. But if we still have, you know, 55, 60 degree days, I’ll continue to water until whatever.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I just read this week that we’re going to go into a situation where we might break some records as far as how long it stays above 40 degrees in October.
SPEAKER 11 :
Now, keep in mind, it’s Colorado. Is it going to be that way all winter? No.
SPEAKER 14 :
Of course not.
SPEAKER 11 :
No. And for those of you that maybe are new to our area, maybe you’ve moved in here from someplace else. And is this abnormal? I don’t know. It depends on the year. I mean, I’ve lived here my entire life and I can remember falls where it was nice and warm all the way up until Thanksgiving or later. We’ve had years where it didn’t do anything until Christmas Eve, snow-wise. We’ve had other times where it snowed end of September. I’ve seen it snow a foot, you know, at that time of the year. I’ve seen it snow a foot even now. I mean, we could have a storm system come through and even have something like that happen. Now, here’s the thing with all of the leaves that are still on the trees and so on really we don’t want that much snow yet because that’s what does damage to your trees and things like that so realistically uh you know we can wait for some more leaves to fall in that and and we really don’t i mean people like snow i get it but we really don’t need much snow until we get into the end of october first part of november and really for us and and folks most folks don’t know this we really don’t start getting into patterns of snow until around thanksgiving
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s when things really kind of start to gear up. So is this abnormal? Not really. Is the higher temperatures abnormal? Again, it depends on the year. I would say no, it’s not. I mean, is it different? Yes. Is it abnormal? Depends on how long you’ve lived here.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. I’ve seen this like you, John. I’ve lived here all my life and seen the same thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
I can remember as a kid, you know, middle of January, well, I’ve got some stories along those lines where, you know, when I was younger and, you know, you didn’t have all the EPA rules and so on and you used to be able to paint cars, you know, either outside or, you know, inside of your garage or whatever. I can remember doing some of those sorts of things, Larry, in the middle of January where it was, you know, 65, 70 degrees out and plenty warm enough to –
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Do whatever you needed to do and have a long spurt of that. We call them Indian summers. And the reality is you can have that. Anyways, point being, are we at a point where you need to do something with your sprinklers? Only if you want to. This it’s not a have to yet. And as I’ve told you guys last couple of weeks, I’ll give you a fair warning. I’ve looked ahead even in the next weekend and maybe we’ll talk about it next weekend, depending upon the week after brings. But even through next weekend, we’re going to be well into the upper 50s, low 60s, maybe even high 60s, depending upon the day. And only only getting into the high 30s, low 40s between now and then. So it’s not going to be that cold.
SPEAKER 14 :
My neighbor decided to turn her sprinkler systems off, but her yard is full of Halloween decorations, so that makes sense.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, yeah, that’s a different thing as far as that goes. So point being, you don’t need to. Don’t feel like you have to. In fact, in some cases, depending upon what plants and… grass and where you face and all of that comes into play as well if you’ve got a lot of southern exposure where that sun this time of the year you’re getting the most sun on that south side of things and if you’ve got a lot of that exposure you’re gonna want to still water certain things to make sure that they’re they’re staying healthy because otherwise you could run risk of not having things be healthy and have issues with plants and trees and so on so you still need to water at this point well even if you hand water Exactly, whatever you need to do. But you’re going to have some things that actually need to be watered. So Joe sent me something that I thought was very interesting, and we’ve talked about this in the past, Jersey Joe. And for some of you that maybe are – how should I say this? You aren’t at a home all of the time. Maybe you’ve got a rental house. and you kind of want to keep tabs on things maybe you’ve got an airbnb maybe you’re somebody that has multiple homes a lot of people nowadays do maybe you’ve got a winter place or a summer place or whatever the case may be and you may not turn the water off because of people may be still renting it at different times you may have other people using it and so on and you don’t want to go through the the hassle of you know showing them how to shut water on and off and all of that There is, in the past, there’s been devices out there where you can monitor the flow, and if it senses a leak, you know, continual water running for whatever reason, not a sprinkler or something like that, you can actually say shut the water off, and it will. It will remotely shut it off. Now, there’s another device out now called a leak bot. water sensor. In fact, a lot of insurance companies, Joe just said that he’ll get a 5% discount on his homeowner’s policy if he installs that and activates it within 55 days of receipt. It’s called LeakBot, and it’s leakbot.io. That is the website. And this one does not… You don’t have to cut the pipe open. In other words, you don’t have to put a device in the pipe. This simply is a listening device because… copper pipes especially, when water is running through them, you can hear it. In fact, it’s a really good way to tell even if you have your own leak. A really quick trick here is you can take a long-handled screwdriver and put your ear next to the end of it and place the screwdriver right on the pipe and listen, and you can hear whatever water is going through there just like a stethoscope. Essentially, this is a stethoscope for water flow And it’s sensing, and by the way, it’s building an algorithm, probably through AI, where it knows if you’ve got certain times of the day you’re taking showers or you’re running the washing machine or the sprinklers on and so on. So it starts to build an algorithm so it knows when water should be running and when it shouldn’t be. For example, middle of winter when sprinklers are supposed to be off, if it senses water continually flowing and it’s not shutting off, it’s going to send you an alert that, hey, guess what? We potentially have a problem. Now, this device does not shut the water off. By the way, it doesn’t just listen. It also knows the temperature of the pipe. That also tells you how much water is going through and the air that’s around it and so on. Point being, it knows whether there’s water continually flowing or not. Again, it figures out whether these are different times of the day that it should or shouldn’t be in. It builds that into it. But it does not have the ability to shut it off. So you’d have to have a neighbor, somebody nearby, where if you knew there was a leak, hey, can you come by, shut the water off, something along those lines. It does not shut the water off for you. It just tells you if you’ve got an issue.
SPEAKER 14 :
I would think you could probably call your utility company, and they would come out and shut it off too.
SPEAKER 11 :
Even say, hey, come shut this off. Absolutely. So, yeah, for those of you that have – some of you that are on wells and so on, that’s a little different scenario. And some of you that might leave for an extended period of time, you’re probably just shutting your well off anyways. That’s probably not as big of an issue for you. But if you’re on domestic – And, yeah, the utility has the ability to come by and shut water off. Or you just made a phone call and say, hey, I think I’ve got a leak. Can you shut my water off? To Larry’s point, they will. They don’t want to see, you know, water wasted or anything along those lines either. They’ll, you know, just say, hey, can you come by and shut my water off? They’ll come by and shut it off. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
They can shut it off by the street or where.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right. They know where that meter’s at. They can shut it off right there. Not a problem. So keep that in mind. And, again, this is a device leak bot, B-O-T. So L-E-A-K-B-O-T dot I-O. And there’s actually companies, I think it’s through them, where they’ll actually come and put this in for you. If you’re not handy enough to where you feel like you’ve got the ability to put this in, they can do that for you. It’s a quick install. But again, if you don’t feel like you can do it, there’s other people that can. It works through, of course, your internet service and so on. So yes, you have to have internet, which most everybody does now. their home but again this is a great way for you to tell and also it all it’ll also tell you believe it or not it knows how much water you’re actually using you don’t have to have a meter you can actually just use this to determine how much water are you actually using as well which I thought was very interesting
SPEAKER 14 :
Especially on smaller leagues that you don’t know about anyway. That would be a good way to find out.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because it’s listening.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
So, again, it knows what’s going on. And now, again, as I said, just remember, it will not remotely shut the water off. You can go check it out. There’s a whole video and everything on it. And, again, check to see if this is something that the biggest thing here is, can you get this and save money on your homeowners?
SPEAKER 14 :
Sure, 5%.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, 5% for some of you would be significant, and that’s ongoing. And if you can actually do this and save money, then why not? So again, pretty simple. Again, there’s a video on it. There’s even a button to click to see if you’re eligible for any kind of discounts and things like that. So pretty slick. So Joe from Jersey, thank you for sending me this. I think it’s a very interesting way to do things. And And very inexpensive for a lot of folks that are out there, much cheaper than having to cut the pipe, get a plumber out, put a permanent device in, and so on. So John and Cheyenne, you’re next.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, you were talking about on my well when we first built our house, it’s a slow recovery. So they recommended what they call the pump tech system. But if it detects water running, it trips the breaker and shuts the well pump off. Oh, nice. What’s it called again? Pump tech.
SPEAKER 11 :
Pump tech.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and it’s wired into the circuit. And if it, like, one time a toilet got stuck running and we weren’t home, you know, we flushed before we left and then we were gone. Sure. And we came back in and the water pressure was gone. and I looked in the breaker, which trip turned it back on, found the toilet was running, but it stopped me from having the well could run dry and also flood the, um, uh, the leach field. Cause that’s, yeah, that’s the other reverse. If you get a toilet overflow running or something like that and you flood your leach and you flood your septic and your elite, you might, the way the septic guy said, if you put too much water, like from a flood, into your septic, what will happen is it’ll push waste that hasn’t fully deteriorated into the leach field and could clog it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. No, that makes total sense. Sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
And that’s like a $25,000 repair if you’ve got to redo your leach field. Right. And a bunch of permits. Yeah, even if… So, yeah, it’s a device wired in. The other thing my wife and I do, if we’re going out of town for more than… If we’re not going to be home overnight… I’ll flip the breaker on the well pump. The worst thing that can happen is a pipe break or burst or something, whatever. It’s just what’s in the system until that pressure drops. So it’s not going to flood the house out. Whereas if you leave your well on it, and if we go away for more than two or three days, I just turn the water off. I turn the pump off too, but I also turn the water off. And just call it good. I don’t want to come home to a flooded house.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t blame you. Great idea.
SPEAKER 05 :
And we’ve walked in. We came in one time coming back from vacation during a power outage and figured out the power had been off for like eight hours, so it was a winter vacation. The house was really cold. And just thinking about that, if a pipe burst in that situation, you could have a bad flood if you don’t have your water off. Good point. The last thing I was going to say, where I did years ago, is my pressure tank – is in my crawl space along, you know, the well pumps at the bottom of the well, but the pressure tanks in the crawl space and my crawl space, my wife who’s five, two can stand in my crawl space. So it’s not a little more than a, you know, hands and knees crawl space. Um, I got one of those outside insight, digital thermometers where you have a sensor outside and you have the thing inside. And I flung it in the crawl space just to make sure that no matter what happens, that temperature never drops too low. And it, It’s electronic. You know, it’s one of those things you could buy. You could put it on the outside of your house. I think I paid 15 bucks for it at Home Depot. Gotcha. And it just tells me what the temperature is in the crawl space. So as we’re preparing for winter, people who are not have a crawl space, you might want to and maybe have your well pump or your well tank down there. You might want to think about that. Like I said, 15 bucks. And I think every other year since I’ve had it, I’ve had it like five years, I’ve had to change the battery in the one in the crawl space. But last thing, that’s the other thing. If you’re on a crawl space that you don’t go into, once a year. Usually I do it in the fall, go down there and take a look around and make sure everything’s okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
I go down to mine two or three times a year, John, just to, I don’t know, just to nose around, make sure everything’s, you know, good. You don’t have anything dripping from a pipe or anything. I mean, you typically would know that, but I don’t know. I just, I guess for the comfort sake, you just roam around there and just make sure everything looks good.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And the other thing I do is just make sure I have, I put a Y on my washing machine, uh, hose connection and on the other side of it i just put up a water pressure gauge so i could just walk in and take a gander and see that make sure the pressure is right in that 40 to 60 degree for people on wells and it you know it helps in a way because one time with that pump tech trip and i walked in and there was no pressure i walked over and the breaker was stripped i was able to flip the breaker and go back it’s a quick way and i think those are about eight bucks at any you know any big box store, and I think everybody should have a water pressure gauge, even if you live in the city, because overpressure can really hurt your system.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, John, have a good day.
SPEAKER 11 :
Always good stuff, John. Appreciate it very much. All right, let’s take a break. We’ll come back. And, again, anything you guys need, website fixitradio.com. And I did get a couple messages on this. We’re doing a big server upgrade. Started actually Thursday night. Had a few things we needed to get taken care of yesterday. Should be back up and running maybe even by the time we’re off air today. But if you go to the website and you notice it’s down, yeah, that’s why. We’re doing a big server upgrade. And it’s been about a day. decade that I’ve done that so it’s overdue and so we’re doing that today so if you go to the website and it’s not there that’s why by Tuesday we’ll be back up and running so if you’re listening to a replay we’ll be up and running at that point but on this on this day Saturday weekends are typically a good day to get things done so yeah that should be back up and running here shortly so if you go to the website you’ll know why but that is the right Our website is fixitradio.com. You can put a dash in between fix it or not. Doesn’t make any difference. Either way, takes it all to the same place. We’ll be right back, KLZ Radio. Appreciate you guys listening.
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SPEAKER 11 :
And we are back. Fix-It Radio, KLZ 560. Again, myself, Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer, and Larry Unger with me in studio today. And appreciate you all listening. And again, just kind of going over things to get ready for winter, which isn’t that far away. And maybe next week, I think I’ll put together a kind of a mini list of things that you need to be doing around the house and taking care of things. Some of you know your homes and exactly what you need to be doing, but… You know, it’s that time of the year where, you know, you probably need to start looking at, is your snowblower ready to go? That’s more of a drive radio thing, but we can talk about it here. You know, is the snowblower up and running? You know, get it out, fire it up. Is it running okay? Some of you have, you know, two-stroke ones. Some of you have four-stroke ones. Some of them you might need to change the oil in, make sure the gas is fresh, all those sorts of things. I know I talked about that a little bit last week, Larry, but time of the year where those sorts of things would be worth digging out and making sure you’re dialed in.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. Start getting your gloves and your mittens out and your coats.
SPEAKER 11 :
Snow shovels, depending on how you put those things away and so on, all of that. Anyways, yeah, anything along those lines, start getting things ready to go. You kind of start putting things away, not quite to the point, again, where you need to worry about unhooking your equipment. hose and you know taking taking your garden hose off of your spigots and things like that you know for your faucets that’s not quite we’re not quite there yet you’re going to be using those for as larry said earlier maybe even some watering and things like that somebody also said a moment ago that i use a water monitor system app called eye on water It’s recommended by Highlands Ranch Water for your billing and will notify you if it detects leaks and shows up in your daily usage. Helps me find an uptick in water usage due to a toilet ring. So there you go. So there’s another one where… Again, the app is called Eye on Water. I’m writing some of these down, too. Eye on Water. That one I am not familiar with, but I’ll do some investigative work on that. Thank you, by the way, for that. I appreciate that. So Eye on Water. And again, for some of you where you’re like, you know, I never leave my house. Well, it’d still be nice to know if you got a leak. Absolutely. You know, water costs money, and it’s not a bad thing to know.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’d be surprised at how long your toilets will be running, and you won’t even pay attention to it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Got another text message. Little Thompson Water up in Berthoud is associated with the app Eye on Water as well. So it sounds like a lot of the municipalities around here are using that same app, Eye on Water. So they have the ability to help you with that as well. Somebody also said that they prefer the Moen flow sensors that shut the water off. Again, that one is if you feel like you don’t have anybody – uh nearby that even even if your water district is a ways away for example and you all of a sudden sense a big leak there is some peace of mind and being able to just have that thing shut off immediately you know you all sudden get an alert that hey you’ve got a major leak and you can hit a button on your app and automatically closes the valve and it’s a done deal at that point there’s something to be said for that absolutely now that’s going to be more expensive then probably a lot of the other things that you could do. But at the end of the day, your peace of mind is going to be much higher. And the reason I say it’s going to be more expensive is unless you’ve got the ability to install something like this on your own, you’re going to be hiring a plumber to come do it. So not only are you going to spend, I think the devices are around, again, I need to look these up. Don’t quote me. I think they’re $600 or $700. Plus the cost of having a plumber come out and actually then put that in. You’re going to be, oh gosh, $1,200 or so probably when it’s all said and done to have that installed, I’m guessing. $1,000 minimum.
SPEAKER 14 :
Could be. But when you look at the damage that water can do.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, your deductibles will be way over that if you had any kind of a problem.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I get it. We’re looking for the extremes. You know, typically most people have no issues. Typically.
SPEAKER 14 :
But it only takes once.
SPEAKER 11 :
It only takes one time to have some sort of a major issue. Yeah. And anyways, thank you for this. Somebody said when we installed it, installed the valve, the instruction said since we have copper pipe that we need to have a bonding jumper. What is that? Somewhere on your pipe, there’s actually a ground. That’s going from the pipe into your ground stake that’s going outside. Typically, they’ll put it on the outside of the house even for your main water. Somewhere there’s a wire coming in and that stake is on the outside. Stake’s always on the outside of the house, by the way, the grounding stake. somewhere there’s probably they’ve bonded that at some point. Usually you wouldn’t have to add an extra bond. That’s typically already done when the house is built. That’s for those of you that have copper pipe. Those of you that have PEX. You’re going to have to do it your own. Yeah, and you’d have to do that differently because you’d have to probably at that point just make sure that that device has a good ground neutral power because PEX doesn’t need it. right it’s it’s plastic basically or what is it yeah urethane of some kind and i before i get into all the peck stuff and i get tons of emails i i know there’s been all sorts of things with pecs some is good some is bad there’s been recalls on certain pecs and so on but there are a lot of newer houses now built that have the the pecs the plastic pump plumbing and mainly because it’s Because the cost of copper, A, and then the installation time. You can put in PEX because they’ve got these little slick tools where you go to put the ends on and they’re all crimp ends and you’re not soldering anything. Guy’s not having to run around and worry about where’s the torch and am I near a piece of wood or, you know, anything. You know, if you’re up in the floor area or whatever, you can use the crimp tool and put stuff in places and… And frankly, it’s pretty slick. And, you know, they’ve made a huge advancement or many advancements, I should say, in regards to the PEX end of things. And I’m kind of still an old copper guy. I think even for, you know, like out in my shop running airlines and things like that, I’m still just an old copper guy just because it works. Rarely do you ever have an issue with it. I still like copper piping, but it is a lot more. If you’re building a house, it’s a lot more expensive to build a house out of copper than it would be out of the PEX. Sure. And there’s probably some of you out there listening that are experts in this area, which I am not, and probably would tell me which one is better in your opinion. At the end of the day, again, I think some of this just comes down to personal preference. Again, I’m somebody that still likes the copper end of things. I’m getting more… Text messages in on the Moen shutoff system, by the way. And it’s a really slick system, by the way. You guys are sending me pictures of this. It’s Flo, by the way, F-L-O, Flo, not with a W, but Flo, F-L-O, by Moen. And Moen’s a company that makes a lot of plumbing things, faucets and things like that. And I will say, in their credit, they’ve got some of the slickest, um devices for checking to see if you’ve got any kind of a leak i’ve got water sensors in in in my home where it’ll tell you if you’ve got any kind of a leak in the areas where you’ve got main water coming in and so on and they’ve got really good alert systems they’ve got a great shut off valve system like this person saying this person must this texting probably has a little bit of plumbing experience you don’t have to bond packs that’s what i figured because it’s plastic there’s there’s no there’s there’s nothing no continuity through that so there’s nothing to bond there Now, the only thing you’d have to worry about there and what you maybe have to bond is there are hybrid systems whereby you may have part of your system in copper and part of your system in PEX. Depending upon, you know, sometimes repiping, they’ll go through and put PEX in where copper used to be, but you’ll still have portions of the home that are in copper. Sometimes if you’ve got a big remodel project, they may go ahead and put pex in place of where copper used to be depending upon who’s there and how they’re doing that and so you some of you might have hybrid systems whereby you’ve got copper and pex both and in that case you’d still want to bond your copper of course but the pex to this texture’s point does not have to be but there’s nothing to bond don’t need to it’s it’s makes sense and it and i’m not again i i should know this better but i don’t know exactly what pex is made out of some sort of polyurethane type material i believe and again some of the recalls had to do with the inside of PEX deteriorating, much like a radiator hose on a car, where you would look at the outside and look, man, I think it looks fine. But inside, it’s deteriorating and flaking off and so on, and you couldn’t see that unless you actually took the PEX and cut it in two. So there’s a big recall on PEX. I believe it’s gotten much better. There are still different versions of PEXs. I do know there’s different types of PEXs. uh different brands i guess i should say or or different i don’t know if it’s the quality of some of you that are experts in this please tell me is it the quality or is it just who’s making it but there are different pecs it’s in other words it’s not all created equal probably the best way for me to say as you can tell i’m not a plumber i mean i can I can get by with plumbing and I can do some things on my own and so on. But no, I am not a plumber. That is not a trade that I went into. Much like electrical work, I can do that as well. But no, I’m not an electrician. So I don’t know every single rule and regulation that’s out there. I have to go and look and see exactly what does something say. We had this question come up last week on Ready Radio when it came to near certain things and so on. And no, I am not an expert in those areas. I don’t know the code book and frankly, don’t have to. I figure if there’s something I’m doing around the house, even I can go look that particular thing up and figure it out or you hire somebody to come in and do it for you if need be. I’m kind of a do-it-yourselfer, so typically I do it myself. But you can typically find the code for whatever it is just by going and looking. It’s not… It’s not private knowledge. That’s all public knowledge. You can find the code books and figure out exactly what you need to do if you ever have a question. So some of you that are experts in especially the PEX end of things, if you want to let me know exactly how that works, I do know there’s different types of PEX, and some is better than others. At least that’s what I understand. So, Stuart, you’re next. Go ahead. Hey, good morning, John. Good morning, Stuart. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 16 :
Good. Hey, what do you know about whole house water systems? purification. You know, like Aquasana has been sending me stuff and they’re having their last day of their 50% off sale.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and what I know there is just because I’ve had him on our program here and he’s been around KLZ for a while now. But Paul, the water guy who is is on Haystack Help Radio with Scott Watley. It’s Water Pros is the name of the company, Stuart. I will tell you this much. I’ve known Paul for a while now. He knows more about water than anybody else has probably forgot.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, and is he available to get a hold of?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, if you call Water Pros, just look him up online. Do you have his number, Charlie, by chance? We’ll find his number for you, Stuart. But, yeah, call Paul. Let him know you heard me today talking about him, and he’ll take care of you. He’s a great guy.
SPEAKER 16 :
Paul Waterman, the Waterman.
SPEAKER 11 :
Paul the Waterman from Water Pros.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. And then the other thing you were talking about, John from Cheyenne was talking about is stuck toilet.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
And the flooding. We had the same problem when I lived in Littleton.
SPEAKER 11 :
Ah.
SPEAKER 16 :
And, boy, it caused a mess. So don’t think it can’t happen to you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, it can. Absolutely, Stuart. You absolutely can. That’s where these water sense devices, and, again, they’ve gotten much more common and less expensive to use. And, yeah, don’t discount them because they can save you a ton over time.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I mean, it cost us just in the cost of the water because the toilet kept running. And then even though we were on septic, they still, we were on Denver water, and they still charge you for the discharge and the incoming, you know. So you got double whammy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, thank you. You have both ends of it. Okay, I got Paul’s number, too, by the way.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. It’s 303-862-5554.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you. And tell Paul you heard him here. He heard me talking about it. He and I know each other very well. Just tell him you heard me, and he’ll take good care of you, Stuart.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right. Appreciate you very much. Jeff, up in Montana, go ahead. How’s your weather, by the way, Jeff?
SPEAKER 15 :
Hey, good morning. It’s sunny morning, but we’re supposed to have a big storm coming in. Lots of snow, about 5,000 feet. Glacier’s going to get walloped and… And even maybe down where we are, we’re going to get a lot of precipitation.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, I was just thinking when you were talking earlier, John, that folks don’t realize, flatlanders don’t realize what the difference in elevation from place to place makes in terms of weather, you know. Colorado Springs is 6,500 feet. Where we live gets, you know, a different weather pattern than Denver, 60 miles away at a mile high. It’s just, you know. So variable because of elevation. And people who don’t live here don’t realize that until they move. All of a sudden, oh, why is the weather so weird? Well, because there’s a bunch of places at different elevations.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, right, right, right. Good point.
SPEAKER 15 :
But I called, you were talking about grounding. And two thoughts on that. First of all, PEX stands for cross-linked polyethylene.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, so it is poly, that’s what I thought.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, so polyethylene that they either irradiate it or they treat it chemically. There’s two different ways. It causes that polyethylene to get stronger and cross-links all of the molecules and bonds. And then they can coat it, like you said, inside the stuff. I mean, there’s a whole science to it. But what I did was with grounding, I almost did a really, really bad thing in that our house is all copper. installed a water softener so in order to do that I had to cut the copper and it wasn’t until afterwards and I’m looking at it and I saw the ground at the lower part and I went wait a minute the upper part is completely isolated now so I had to go out and get like a couple of foot piece of copper you know heavy gauge copper and connect the part I had isolated to the part that was grounded so um If you’re modifying your house, your plumbing in any way, make sure you don’t destroy the integrity of your grounds.
SPEAKER 11 :
Makes sense. Absolutely. And I guess there’s probably folks out there wondering, if you do, what happens, Jeff? What’s the negative of not having things grounded properly?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, Benjamin Franklin showed us that what you want to do is if you’re something that’s going to hit… up high on your house and you have a lightning rod and stuff, you know, you want to discharge it into the ground. And that’s all you’re really doing is your plumbing is acting kind of like a lightning rod. And if something happens, you know, it goes right into ground. But if you don’t have that, it’s just bouncing around inside the house. So imagine what happens if you have a huge megawatt discharge inside your house. I mean… It’s hard to tell what the calamity is going to be, but it could go to people. It’ll damage electronics around and different things. You need to have your house grounded. There’s various ways to do that. The most important thing for this, for my point, is that don’t destroy the integrity of what you already have.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s what I had done inadvertently for a very short time. I realized that I had if lightning had struck my house and I hadn’t rebonded the upper part to the lower part, I don’t know what would have happened. I don’t think it would have been pretty.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, no, I would agree with you on that one. Absolutely. And again, you know, like Larry was saying earlier, you know, this is that, you know, one in a whatever chance, but you don’t want to be that one.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, no, you never want to be that one.
SPEAKER 11 :
You never want to be that one.
SPEAKER 15 :
So just, you know, think things through. If you’re cutting something, you know, G.K. Chesterton said, you know, if there’s a fence there, don’t say, well, I don’t know what it’s for, so take it down. Find out what the fence is for.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, great point.
SPEAKER 15 :
And then you’ll know if you can take it down or not.
SPEAKER 11 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that’s kind of the same philosophy as this.
SPEAKER 11 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 15 :
So great show as always, guys.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep, as always. I appreciate you, Jeff. Thanks for calling in. Always great info. Derek and Aurora, you’re next. Go ahead, Derek. Actually, it’s Eric. Oh, Eric. Eric. How are you, Eric? I’m doing all right. I can tell by the voice who you are, so that’s not a problem. I would have known that right away.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, we go in those cycles. I’ll not talk to you all for a month, and then I’ve got a bunch of questions.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s all right.
SPEAKER 13 :
So just a note, today is my day for rebuilding toilets.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, boy.
SPEAKER 13 :
I had put the hockey puck-sized Clorox tablets in the reservoirs.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
And the concentrated, prolonged exposure to all that chlorination corroded the mounting bolts, and it was actually leaking out of the base of the reservoir onto the floor. But it’s also damaged the fill valve. So it’s a full rebuild on two toilets in this house. So just something for your listeners out there to consider.
SPEAKER 11 :
And for those of you that are on septic, of course, you really have to be careful of, even as far as, Eric, and for a lot of you listening, that maybe, and this is training for some of you, that maybe you’ve just gotten onto a, system you onto a septic system maybe you’ve never had one before and you do now there it’s a learning curve eric and and when it comes to septic systems the best the best thing to do is allow water only to go down it in other words even be careful of your cleaning chemicals and things like that because you don’t want to destroy the bacteria that’s in the septic tank itself because now you’re destroying everything that’s there to actually help that system operate properly
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Now, at the ranch that I’m moving to, I don’t use hardly any chemicals.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, we don’t either.
SPEAKER 13 :
The house in Aurora, it’s domestic water.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, that’s different. Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
But it’s still just the you got to think about the corrosive nature of some of these chemicals that, you know, you don’t think about.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right. That’s right.
SPEAKER 13 :
If someone forgets to flush and nobody’s home for a week, it’s going to be nasty. And so you think, okay, I’ll put that extra chlorine in the reservoir. Well, now I’m learning the hard way that I’m going to have to rebuild the two toilets in the upstairs. And I’ll tell you, one of my biggest pet peeves is the secondary bathroom upstairs is where they built the counter shelf out over the reservoir. And getting in there to… To change anything out is just a pain in the rear. Well, John, I’ll actually be calling back in for Drive Radio.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right. Asking about my Sienna.
SPEAKER 11 :
Awesome. Look forward to it, Eric. Appreciate it. We’ll talk to you then. Have fun on those toilets. Jerry and Greeley, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
You were talking to Jeff in Montana about grounding an electrical system.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
And about 40 years ago, I was an electrician. I haven’t done it in decades. But anyway, I can’t explain it as well as I’m sure some of your listeners could. But my understanding was that the biggest threat about not having a properly grounded system, let’s say, in a residence was that if, let’s say, a hot wire inside of a makeup box on a stove, just as one example, the insulation got damaged and then the frame of the stove became energized. Well, that frame of that stove, if it’s properly grounded, will allow current from the hot to go to ground at such a flow as to trip the breaker or pop the fuse or whatever the protection is. But if you don’t have it properly grounded, then you’ve just got this energized chassis. And then if you touch it, and some other part of your body is grounded then the current can flow through you and electrocute you correct yep good explanation by the way no i think jerry you did a very good job of explaining that i think that’s that’s exactly what it is and i don’t know that anybody could add much to that that’s that is the explanation so good job well and um i wanted to mention a really weird thing happened to a friend of mine decades ago where he lived in an older house with a overhead electrical service and the neutral connection up on the pole outside had corroded to the point where he no longer really had a neutral. So he had two hots coming into the house, but his imbalanced load was going to ground through, well, he only had a water pipe ground. Normally nowadays you would have an earth rod and a water pipe ground. Correct. if you’ve got a copper feed to your house. Anyway, so all of his imbalance load was going to ground through the copper water pipe, and he was doing some remodeling. Cut the water pipe, you know, between the ground clamp and outside, and… saw a spark when he separated the pipes, and then he noticed a burning smell. So what was happening was he no longer had any return path for the imbalanced load, and so he was backfeeding the hot phases in the panel where he was basically turning 110-volt circuits into 220 circuits, and he cooked the motor on his furnace, cooked the doorbell transformer. Wow. refrigerator motor windings, freezer motor windings, popped a bunch of light bulb filaments.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s expensive.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and he’s lucky he didn’t have a fire, really. But the power company, they owned up to it. They said, okay, you know, you shouldn’t have really done what you did, but they acknowledged it was their fault that he didn’t have a proper service to the house.
SPEAKER 11 :
So it was his fault, but wasn’t his fault.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, so they paid for all of the appliances and everything. But, I mean, it could have burned his house down.
SPEAKER 11 :
Sure could have. Somebody else texted in. Mickey just said, too, don’t forget your GFCIs won’t work either, Jerry. So that’s another reminder for all of you that, yeah, thank you. That’s a great point. Absolutely. Okay, so Jerry, going back to that particular scenario, how would he have found that otherwise? Is that something where he needs to be looking at those wires coming in, he needs to have the power company coming out periodically? In other words, those people that have overhead service, and older houses still do, is that something they need to be doing?
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t know how he would have found that otherwise because he couldn’t see it up on the pole. It was just a corroded split bolt connection up 20 feet in the air.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, he never would have seen that.
SPEAKER 08 :
And as long as he did have, you know, because your ground and your neutral are bonded at the main panel, at the main disconnect.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
So as long as that was correct, I don’t know how you’d find that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 08 :
What a story. That’s a first.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’ve never heard anything like that one before.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I just thought I’d, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and proving the point, Jerry, that all this stuff really matters. And only throw one more thing in there, too. And not that this wouldn’t have happened to just a regular electrician or a plumber, Jerry. Same thing could have happened. I mean, just because he was, you know, Joe Homeowner doesn’t mean anything. Same thing could have happened to anything else. But I do think this is one of those things where unless you’ve got really solid experience working with either plumbing or electrical, you probably ought to call a professional out to help you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, you know, when I was in the business, boy, the things we would see that homeowners or ranchers or farmers would do, I mean, they could get things to work, but man, they were horribly unsafe sometimes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, again, if you don’t know, and I’ve even talked earlier, Jerry, about how I know where to go, I know what code to look up and how to find this out or the other. And for me, you want to make sure that you’re doing things correctly so you don’t have any problems on down the road. If you ever go to sell your house, an inspector is going to look at things and so on. And we can talk about inspectors at a later time because… Some are really good, and frankly, some are not. But regardless, Jerry, you want to make sure that things are up to speed at all times, A, to make sure you can pass an inspection, and B, that things are safe. Or maybe I should reverse that. You want to make sure things are safe and you can pass an inspection. And if you don’t know even what I’m just talking about, Jerry, and even how to find those things, you probably ought to call a professional in to have those things done.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, right, there’s a lot of do-it-yourselfers who do great jobs, but you can get in over your head and it can get dangerous. You sure can.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, even as far as, Jerry, changing out outlets and things like that, again, you being in that world, you know what I’m talking about. I mean, people can do things like, you know, you put the neutral on the wrong side of the plug or you don’t get the ground on properly or, or, or. I mean, I can go down the list of things where I’ve seen what other people have done and it’s like, yeah, this worked, but I don’t know how.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, and, yeah, the risk of fire and electrocution.
SPEAKER 11 :
Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
And the problems, you know, it can become acute way down the road. There can be a big time delay from the installation to where you have a problem.
SPEAKER 11 :
Great point, Jerry. Yep, absolutely. Good reminder. I appreciate the phone call very much. Thank you. Thanks, Jerry. Appreciate it. Steve in the Springs, we’ll come right back to you. Don’t go anywhere. Fix-It Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 11 :
All right, we are back. Lots of text messages coming in as well today. Fix-It Radio, don’t forget the text line 307-200-8222. You can always ask questions any time, even after the show, which a lot of you do, which I appreciate. Somebody also mentioned, and as a reminder, I got a couple of pictures on this, that without the right ground, your gas lines can also become the ground and cause major issues as well. Steve in Colorado Springs, go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Good morning, gentlemen. Good morning, Steve. Good morning, Steve. You know, your previous caller in Colorado Springs, we’re also in northern Bargate, and we’re right at the 7,000-foot level. And he’s correct. The weather’s entirely different. And people don’t understand, even though that Palmer Ridge, which goes through Monument Pass, which is only 600 feet high, it seems innocuous, but it’s a real weathermaker. And I spent, gosh, 40 years studying and teaching weather to airline pilots and And it is a tough, tough place to forecast weather because you don’t know whether a system coming in is going to salt out north of Monument or keep going or get worse or whatever. Anyway, on the water sensor issue. Yes. Does Moen, I didn’t catch. Which one thing you have a sensor to determine leaks. It’s a whole other one to have automatic shutoff. And if you’re out of town, it’s nice to get a sensor, but it doesn’t do you any good when the water’s running and you can’t get a shutoff. Does Moen have an automatic shutoff?
SPEAKER 11 :
They do. And what I’ve been reading from some people texting is you really need to be careful with the Moen. because it is a manual valve that will close that if you’ve got water that calcifies really easy or it’s really hard water that even though you’ve got a softener you’re going to want to put this in front of the softener of course so in those cases you may be better off with one of the devices that just senses it and then have another backup plan for actually getting things shut off because depending on what what have what some of these texters are saying steve is that there is some feedback on those moan devices that depending upon your wallet your your water quality it may not function as well as you think we get pretty good water but my concern is
SPEAKER 04 :
Like I said, one thing, the sensor leak is another to have an automatic shutoff. Correct. And it should operate seamlessly now over the Internet.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I think if it were me and I had a Moan device, some of you that even do, I think I would be cycling that thing periodically just to make sure that it’s not getting stuck. I mean, maybe put a calendar reminder that once every, I don’t know, maybe, Steve, once a month, you know, before you go to bed one night, you cycle it or something along those lines. I don’t know. To me, I think cycling that would help with some of that. It doesn’t have to be Moen, just anything that works. And if somebody out there knows of another device besides Moen, I don’t know of too many, Steve, that do the automatic shutoff outside of them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. And then I didn’t know this, but, you know, I like to read research. But the Insurance Institute, year in and year out, total dollar value of claims on water issues is between, depending on your 70,000 and 90,000.
SPEAKER 11 :
per occurrence which far exceeds wow and the cost of putting something in and i really quick i did a look to see who you know who who makes actual auto water shut off devices so i’ve got a list of the top 10 of course moan comes up number one and two there’s two different devices yo link There’s another one. I don’t know that brand. Yolink. Y-O-L-I-N-K. Again, that’s not a brand that I know. Frizz Life. That’s another interesting brand. Moan comes up again. There is another company. I can’t tell the name of this one, by the way. From what I’m looking at, there might be only three or four companies that actually make what I would consider to be solid devices. So there’s not as many in the marketplace as what we think, Steve, is my point. Not a lot of competition.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, our water meter in the utility room, besides the digital, it’s got a little red flow needle. And you don’t have to put a screwdriver or a stethoscope on there because if there’s any water going through, that needle’s going to move, which I think is kind of handy. And the last item, We talked about it a long time ago, but gutter brush is a much more elegant solution than these guys racking people four to eight grand, I’ve even heard, on these other gutter protection operations. I agree. And they make it any size, seems to work well, and a lot of houses will just be $300 to $400 for material and then whatever labor costs. It’s a very simple install.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, as long as you can get on a ladder, you can do them yourself. Exactly. Not hard.
SPEAKER 04 :
And what an elegant solution. Yes, agreed. And it’s at least 10 times less expensive than all these guys hawking $4,000 to $8,000 gutter guards.
SPEAKER 11 :
Agree. Agree. Absolutely. Thank you, sir. Fully agree. Steve, appreciate it very much. Let’s get one more call in here before we end the show. Mark, go ahead. You’re next.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, good morning. Real quick, I heard you guys talking about grounding and bonding. Yes. I’m no electrician. I’m a do-it-yourself homeowner. And a year or two ago, I had an electrician install interconnects, which I could have a plug where I can plug a power cord in from a generator to fire up my generator. It’s a little tiny portable 10,000-watt generator to run the house. Yeah. things like that, and I just want to make sure the refrigerator will keep the food cold. And so when I first fired this thing up and tested it, I was testing all the different appliances, like what could I run, how many could I run. And, of course, it’s not big enough to run everything. But the one thing that I noticed, and I think I called on it last year, but when the generator was on, And the refrigerator kicked on, the compressor started like maybe arcing or something and it was making this god awful sound. And so I think I remember calling in and you guys talking about loose voltage and not being properly grounded. So what I did was I got some automotive wire and an alligator clip and extended it from the generator to the copper sprinkler pipe going into the ground to be my ground. And that fixed the problem.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Okay. Interesting.
SPEAKER 03 :
So now, you know, if I go to fire that up, I don’t keep it connected all the time. I just, you know, make sure the plug’s in, and then I take that little automotive wire because, you know, solid wire is too rigid and kind of gets in the way, you know, as far as being on the ground. So I just kind of coil this up, grab it. You know, it’s 10 feet long. It’s long enough to get to the sprinkler pipe. And then I just, you know, put the alligator clip on there tight enough to, to make a good ground connection, and it’s not a ground rod, but it’s acting as a grounding rod for the refrigerator compressor.
SPEAKER 11 :
Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Makes sense. Makes sense. And it works great. Good.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I’m really interested to hear more about those leak systems.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m going to do some more research even this week on those. I’ve had several people texting me different things and so on, and I definitely will do that, Mark.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I’ve known that they’ve made, and I have looked into the Moen system. I think it’s like an impeller that sits inside of it that measures the water flow.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I think that’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I think some of them use almost like an ultrasonic impeller. system where it’s measuring the the particle flow maybe not the particle flow but the the flow of the water um but the other one that that uses like a microphone that sounds pretty interesting too very uh you know it is mark i might apologize mark i gotta run we’re at the top of the top of the hour here but no and i’ll bring some of this back to you guys next week mark have a great rest of your day i appreciate it that’s it for fix it radio klz 560.
SPEAKER 09 :
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