This Saturday on Drive Radio, Josh (Legacy Automotive), Justin (Ridgeline Auto Brokers), and Ken (Toontech) kick things off with winter-whiplash weather and the classic shop talk: what everyone drove in, what’s on the lot, and why some vehicles are a lot of car for the money.
From there, the conversation turns into a real-world warning for buyers: post-COVID dealership “reconditioning” isn’t what it used to be, and the crew says they’re seeing too many temp-tag vehicles that aren’t running right—sometimes right after purchase. They explain why pre-delivery inspections and early emissions testing matter, and how waiting too long can turn
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Good morning. It’s Drive Radio on KLZ 560. It’s Josh from Legacy Automotive. I’m here with Ken and Justin, and we’re going to talk cars today. Sounds like a good plan. How are you guys doing?
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Good. Feels like winter again.
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It does. I know. Yeah, we got a cold snap. It’s like below 30 degrees. Holy cow. Yeah. Watch out. Feels miserable. Spoiled for so long. Right. Exactly. You know, if this was on a regular year, you know, 30 degrees and sunny would be like, woohoo. Yeah.
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We’d be all wearing shorts and t-shirts today. Right. Exactly. It’s nice and cold. Yeah.
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can you drive the the cobalt in today i did yeah yeah yeah racing past everyone in the little pocket rocket you know i didn’t have to do that today no i was i was completely on time i was even early you know i talked to larry before coming in and you know we were talking i was early today that’s odd but um you know hey but traffic was going good and i just caught caught the early segment so it was good josh you got a 40 car inventory would you drive in today
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I drove the Hyundai or Kia Optima today. Kia Optima. All right. It’s decked out. It’s got everything on it. Leather seats, heated steering wheel.
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A lot of car for $10,000.
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It is a lot of car for $10,000. There you go. What did you get to drive today?
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You know, we had a repeat customer that sold us his Chrysler 300 Hemi, all-wheel drive.
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Okay.
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And you know what? 150,000 miles, you get kind of hesitant as to buying a Hemi, but religious oil changes on it. Yeah. Top end doesn’t tick.
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There you go.
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Runs like a top.
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Yeah.
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Had no problem getting through traffic this morning with it. Plenty of power in that car.
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There you go.
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Fun to drive.
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Down here with no speeding tickets yet.
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I didn’t get a speeding ticket. There’s always someone going a lot faster than me, especially on 225. On 225, you get a mix. You got one guy doing 45 miles an hour, and you got another guy doing 100. So I just try to stay in between them, and then I feel safe.
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You’re right.
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Yeah, it’s always the guy doing 45 out in the far left lane and the guy doing 100 in the right lane.
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I’ll tell you what. We went to the ASA training here a few weeks back on the 31st, and I was on 225 Saturday morning at 7 o’clock. And seriously, if the police wanted to pull over people exceeding, over-expeeding, you know, the speed limit, that was the time because I felt I was doing fast, you know, five over. And I was getting passed like I was sitting still. That’s crazy. And it was multiple times. And, you know, yeah, it was crazy. I just like, wow, this is probably not as safe. road to be on early saturday morning and the road is not in good shape right yeah it’s not right yeah exactly anyway but yeah let’s see how i noticed that too but 225 is a racetrack it is a racetrack although all the way around the bottom half of denver pretty much yeah yep yeah it’s it’s crazy
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So Toontech, right? Yes. How’s business going? Good. Any fun diags this week? You know, we had a couple. I mean, maybe not fun, but… Or not so fun.
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Maybe I should say not so fun. Well, and, you know, we get the vehicles in, and I’m leery on which ones to take on failed emissions especially. Well, I’ve been, this is the customer talking. I’ve replaced this, this, this, this, and this, and it’s gotten worse. Okay. Well, now the diagnostic has just, you know, gone that much farther because we don’t know what the original problem was and what did you put into the mix that made it even worse. And so. So that’s a challenge always, you know, because we don’t know if they put in a defective part or if they put it in incorrectly or, you know, and it maybe wasn’t them, but they paid a neighbor to do it or they, you know, had another shop that didn’t know how to actually fix emissions do it. So it was. Yeah. So it’s always something, but you know, it’s, we just try to keep at it and, you know, keep the customer informed and say, well, this was probably the original problem, but we had to fix these other three issues that were created in the mix before we got it. So anyway, yeah. So that’s one of the things we run into as a challenge, but yeah, I can’t say we ran into anything other than that pretty much in a couple of places. Yeah. How about you?
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You know, we had a customer drop off a, what year is that, a 2022 C300 Hybrid last night off of a tow truck.
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Yeah.
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So, all we’ve done so far is just a preliminary scan, and we got fuel pump codes, and voltage codes, and… I don’t know if we should have taken this one in, but we did. So we’re going to take a stab at it, I guess.
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Did it originate on the East Coast?
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No, local vehicle, but temp tag from a new car dealership. And, you know, I’ve been seeing this a lot lately. It seems like the new car dealerships are not reconditioning their cars like they used to. They seem to be able to get away with that. This all seems to be the post-COVID era. The new car dealerships do not have to make as nice of a car as what they used to, and people are still buying them. I can’t tell you how many we see at all three of our shops with temp tags on them that are not running properly. Sad. I feel bad for the customers, especially ones that are in a car payment. They’ve probably been off a big car payment, and now they’ve already got a big maintenance bill.
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Right, exactly.
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Sad to see. We’ll try to help them out as best as possible, but ultimately, at the end of the day, we didn’t sell it to them.
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Right, yeah. It wasn’t our choice. It wasn’t our choice. We’re just a reporter.
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You know, we have a really good relationship with that family, too, so it’s kind of sad that they didn’t come to us, but we’re here to help them anyway. Sometimes we don’t have the car that they want to buy, so… We’ll help piece this one back together for them and make it nice somehow.
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That’s right. Well, that’s where pre-delivery inspections really come in handy or the best way to go, not post. Yeah, post-delivery is you already own it, so it’s on you. But, yeah, getting it inspected and stuff. And one thing, too, some of the dealers, they give you a voucher for an emission test, and they can still sell you the vehicle with that, but if you don’t go in – and get that emission test done right away to get it legal to plate. The, you know, you lose the voucher for one, but if it fails, you can’t go back on the dealer because, you know, who knows? Yeah.
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No, you’ve got three business days.
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Right.
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Three business days to test that vehicle. So holidays excluded. Yeah. Weekends excluded. Right. But, you know, in the excitement of our lives, we don’t remember, hey, we need to go get this thing through the emissions test.
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Right. We’ve got a 60-day temporary. Well, we’ll wait until the last day and do it.
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At Ridgeline, we pre-emissions test all of our vehicles prior to sale. Not only that, but we’ll pre-emissions test them, and then we put between 100 and 200 miles on each car prior to sale, too. That’s why Josh is in our Kia Optima. That’s why I’m in our Chrysler 300. Both Josh and I do not own a personal vehicle. Our job is to make sure that what we’re selling is a quality product at the end of the day.
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So you get some miles on it. You get how it feels, things like that. That’s awesome.
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Especially cat codes. I don’t know what it is with catalytic converter codes, but sometimes it takes a thousand miles. to clear that for one of those to to pop up yeah um and nowadays with new emissions laws and yeah you know meeting california standards you know a basic catalytic converter on you know like a honda is a thousand dollars now yeah right well we had an infinity come in uh yesterday actually with a cat code and
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There’s four cats on it, and just one of them was $5,000. Is this a QX? Yeah. Q50? Q56? It’s a sedan. Yeah. It’s a sedan. So the six-cylinder? Yeah, so I guess the engine probably has to come out or something.
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We stopped buying the eight-cylinders. Makes sense. Because they were getting expensive.
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Let’s take a little break, and we’ll come back to one of our favorite subjects, catalytic converters. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah, right.
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And we’re back, KLZ 560 Drive Radio, talking about catalytic converters, our favorite subject.
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I don’t know if it’s a favorite or it’s just a big one that we see.
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It is. Oh, yeah. It’s kind of the bane of our existence some days.
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We talk about the cost of a catalytic converter, but if you look on the diesel side, when you’re dealing with a diesel particulate filter, that filter assembly itself is expensive, you know, two, three grand. But normally when you replace it, you’re also replacing the pressure sensors, your knock sensors, and those are expensive. two to four hundred dollars each yeah we just traded for a truck a hundred thousand miles 6.7 liter ford that just had it they just did the whole thing and retail seven seventy five hundred bucks to to redo everything underneath this thing yeah so i mean i guess the the question is you know with this new trump era standard are we allowed to rip all this stuff off That’s what everyone’s asking right now is now that he’s doing these emissions rollbacks, does that mean we can start deleting trucks again?
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No. No. The answer is no.
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The answer is no.
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No, yeah. Don’t even get that thought in your mind.
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But I know it’s a big question. A lot of people think because this has happened that we can just start rolling back and delete them and hopefully not have to pour DEF in them all the time, but…
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Josh, do you know about – I mean on the criminal side, have they lessened that if we are deleting them?
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From what I see, it looks like under Trump they won’t necessarily be doing the criminal side of it. But you still have the civil side. So one of the diesel bros is getting sued by a guy out of Wyoming because – He modified all these trucks, and he’s saying he’s, you know, because he modified the trucks, he’s liable for all these extra pollutants going into the air. So you can still be not only sued by, and, you know, we still have the criminal side in Colorado. You know, the Colorado law hasn’t changed. So the state can still prosecute you. The state can still come after you civilly. You know, and it looks like if this case goes through that, you know, individuals can come after you if they. Oh, really? Yeah. Could start seeing a lot more of that. Exactly. You could. So especially, you know, if you’re rolling coal through one of these residential areas or, you know, a lot of. You know, like take downtown Fort Collins, old town Fort Collins, you know. I know that started a lot of stuff when, you know, guys were rolling coal right there. People were in those nice, you know, outdoor eating areas. Sure. And you’re having a nice expensive lunch. Yeah. You know. Right. Or dinner and somebody comes by wanting to roll coal on you. Yeah. Yeah, no one likes that. No. No, and that’s, I think, you know, the reason why it’s so easy for them to have all these laws against, on the diesel trucks. You know, the gas cars, they produce NOx and everything else. Yeah. with the deaf and stuff like that, you know, but sure, but they don’t care much about it, but we have a caller, Eric, let’s go to the phones.
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Hey guys.
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Hey, how you doing?
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All right. So yeah. Um, if you want to get talk fun and expensive with the whole, uh, DPF side. So my semi, uh, at some point in the last two years, the doser or the deaf failed or started to fail, uh, We’re not exactly sure which the case, and it, over time, was flooding the particulate filter in the SCR assembly with death. And kept getting check engine lights, kept getting check engine lights. We had it into Kenworth a few times, and they would do this, do that. My boss started messing with it, and one day it gave him a code and said, check this. And in order to check it, you know, then he has to run this test multiple times, and it kept passing. But they’re like, it’s not passing. It can’t be passing because it’s giving a check engine light. And they went in there, and he pulled the SCR, the whole SCR and whatnot assembly out. And at some point, the doser had started working improperly and was flooding the whole assembly with death and plugged it. And so there is a company here in town, I’m sure you guys are probably aware of it, over there in northeast Denver, that they rebuild the DPF assemblies.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, DPF alternatives.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I think that’s it. They’re over there in northeast Denver. But anyhow, yeah, it was $3,500 to repair mine for them to, each piece, for them to tear it apart, clean it, put it back together, put new, uh, and they can go in there and they cut it apart, pull the old out, put new in and then weld it back together. Hmm. Uh, because yeah, to go and buy brand new was pushing 10 grand or more. Yeah.
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Especially on the big bags.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. And some of this stuff, you know, is going to get even more expensive over time.
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Sure.
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And I had, You know, now they’re saying, well, we’re going to do away with all these emissions laws, and this is going to be great. And I said, yeah, I can’t wait for all the idiots to start rolling coal through their neighborhood, through Castle Rock and all the GOP, all the red districts in town, and all these idiots start rolling coal through there. And suddenly people are going to start going, wait, I don’t like this.
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Right. Yeah.
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You know, it’s yeah, this this will be fun or or either that or you get, you know, some of these areas that they’re celebrating this. Oh, this is great. This is great. We’re going to get rid of these emissions laws and we’re going to do this and that. Yeah. Yeah. I can’t wait till we start pulling the emissions equipment off of a. 14, 15 liter, 80,000 pound diesel, and I’m rolling coal down the interstate, and it’s going to look like 1977 all over again.
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Right, yeah.
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I wonder how long that’s going to last.
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Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know? Yeah. Especially with a lot of the modern semis, we have weed burner exhaust, so it’s under the truck.
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Mm-hmm.
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So, yeah, I’m sitting there at the red light next to you on a nice, bright, sunshiny day, and you’ve got the windows down. And I take off from the light, and you look like you just got done working eight hours on a coal mine.
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Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I don’t foresee this lasting. I figure for as much as everybody’s celebrating or thinks this is a great idea, I think once some of the reality sets in, people are going to have a different take on it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Oh, yeah. Well, and it’s one of those things where, you know, people, you know, they hear one thing and it’s like, oh, well, we can do all what we want now. And it’s, no, that’s not the case and shouldn’t be the case. Or anything along those lines.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. They heard one little thing, but they didn’t read the fine print. Right. Exactly. It’s not free for all. They took it out of context. Exactly.
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But they wanted to hear. It’s definitely, it’s being misinterpreted for sure. Right.
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Because we haven’t gotten rid of any laws.
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No. Right.
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Exactly. Like we’re changing what we’re doing moving forward. That’s what people don’t understand. Right. So the laws that are in place for, you know, the particulate traps and for catalytic conversions and for,
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or converters and you know cafe laws that stuff is still there and it’s still in place so no you cannot just right rolling call again that’s what you can’t do that that’s it yeah yeah and i’ve you know and i’ve i’ve never i mean look i understand how expensive and what a pain in the butt and this and that the emissions equipment is you know i mean yeah i get it i i see you know dealing with it on a daily basis when You know, when this stuff, you know, I think it’s, we see it more probably on the Class 8 side than on the passenger vehicle side, tend to have more emissions component failures, and I don’t really know why. That seems like, you know, when my truck would go in the shop, that’d be the most common thing that somebody’s truck is in there for, is emissions-related issues.
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And that’s what we’re seeing on the passenger side, too, is that on the newer diesels, you know, over the last, I’d say, 15 years, the majority of the time it’s in there, it’s not because it’s not running right. It’s all the after-treatment stuff.
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Yeah. Yeah. The biggest failure is in that emission.
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And I think, you know, you’re seeing it, too. This is all relatively new technology for all of us, so it’s going to take a while for it to work through.
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But it’s really not because, in some ways, it’s not because… The Europeans have had that stuff in place longer than we have. And they don’t have the problems, and they’re even more restrictive than we are. If you look at, you know, let’s go on the Class 8, stay on the Class 8 side for a moment. If you look at Volvo and whatnot, and Kenworth has their crossover with Europe, PACCAR stuff has their crossover there. They’ve had the, they call it AdBlue, not DEF over there, but they’ve had that in place longer than we’ve been using the DEF stuff here. Right. But they don’t seem to have the amount of problems. Yeah. And I mean, I’ve never researched it enough to find out why.
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Right.
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But there’s a couple of different people, YouTube channels I follow that are truckers over there. And there’s one guy that he posts videos about this and that doing this work. And somebody was asking him about it. And he says, I’ve never had a problem with the emissions on my truck.
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Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
At least not in the last X number of years. And he gets a new truck like every couple of years.
SPEAKER 1 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 16 :
And I don’t know if it’s maybe the manufacturers over there start, you know, they see something coming down the pipeline and start working towards it so that maybe by the time it actually has to be out, they’re ready. So they’ve got more of the bugs worked out. Whereas here, the manufacturers say, oh, well, the lobbyists will buy us another five years. Right. No, they didn’t. You know, maybe that’s the issue. You know, I don’t know. Sure.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well, we need to go on a little break. But thanks for calling, Eric.
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And we’re back on this fine Saturday. It’s Josh with Legacy Automotive and Justin with Ridgeline Auto Brokers and Ken from Toontech.
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Yep. All here today.
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Yeah, we’re here. And our question of the day today, what is the worst road trip breakdown story that you have? So think about that for a while and let’s go to Soren on the phones. Good morning, Soren.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hello. Good morning. So to talk about the last caller’s thing, he was saying that if you make it so that there’s no more DPF and death that you would have guys rolling coal. Aren’t these modern diesels and gas cars clean enough that you could tune them to not produce almost any emissions without those?
SPEAKER 03 :
On the diesel side, we still got, you know, there’s always particulates in diesel fuel. The gas cars, we never can get them clean enough to, you know, pass emissions without a cat. But, you know, there’s always particulates in diesel, and that’s what the diesel particulate trap, you know, is catching and burning off.
SPEAKER 07 :
And these guys that are rolling coal are doing, what, 15% over, 20% over fuel injectors. So they’re putting more fuel into the engine.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they’re overfueling. So, you know, technically you never want to have any black smoke out of your diesel truck because that means you’re wasting fuel. But, you know, they are overfueling.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because on our farm equipment, you know, when you’re pulling really hard, it burns really clean even without the depth. Like the old tractors and all of that. They work really good, and you don’t see almost any black smoke out of them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, because you want it to run efficiently. You don’t want that black smoke.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, the more black smoke, the more fuel, and there’s less efficiency. Yeah, so the optimal is, yeah, to where you don’t get much black smoke, but it’s still creating a lot of horsepower. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
So could you make it so that you didn’t have the DPF and all of those other things and still have a pretty clean burning engine? Because I feel like our modern technology for tuning has gotten really good compared to back in the day.
SPEAKER 03 :
It has, and you probably could with the PZO injectors. As fast as they are and as much fuel control as they have on all the diesels, we all do a hot shot start on it. So when you come up on the old time, we just shot the complete amount of fuel into the cylinder every time on a diesel injector. now you know they shoot a little bit in and then they shoot a little bit more to keep it burning and sometimes they’ll actually have three different shots on each rotation of the piston so that’s how we got rid of a lot of the knock you know some of these new diesels they don’t knock like any you think they’re a gas gap right they’re super quiet and that’s because they’re that and they can probably do that but you know then there’s that fine line you know of everybody wants pulling power torque you know so in order to do that without having a whole lot of particulates i think you’d have to pull a horsepower and a torque back a lot on it yeah and that’s that’s why i think they’ve decided to keep the particulate traps on there you know one because probably part of the emissions but also two they can let it you know overfuel a little bit and still give you all that insane amount of horsepower and torque that you get out of them
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Well, how do the guys in Europe like Scania do it without death at all? They don’t have any death on their engines at all.
SPEAKER 03 :
I thought they had AdBlue on there, which is basically death. It’s urea.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I know, but they have engines that don’t have to have any death that I’ve seen. So…
SPEAKER 03 :
unless they have they do that but you know like we used to before the emissions laws changed we had EGRs on all the diesels and they could get the NOx emissions down to the old spec with just the EGR and maybe the European spec is they don’t care about NOx as much so they don’t have to have DEF they can just have an EGR to bring it down to you know their level of NOx emissions
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, I know on this new John Deere has their high-horsepower tractor, and I guess over 750 horsepower, you do not have to have all of the emissions on it. And so they just have an EGR filter on there, and that’s all they have. No DEF, no anything else.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, but they’re also, you know, like CAT doesn’t do road engines anymore. I don’t think John Deere has a single road engine that they use, so they don’t have the same emission standard, so that’s why they get away with it because they’re not a road-going engine.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think a lot of that comes from the railroad, and there are lobbyists that say that, Hey, we can’t let the government mandate us to have all of this emissions junk on our trains.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, could you imagine if a train had it? That’s, you know, every diesel train that comes by is putting out a black cloud all the time.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, could you imagine if they made airplanes have EGR and all of that? Could you imagine how fast we would get it so that we didn’t have any issues on them at all?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, something that was, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Crazy. Yeah, I don’t know. It would be good to see if we could get rid of it because it does cause a lot of issues, but I understand that if you make it so that, You don’t have those. You also have to tread a fine line before big black clouds and having enough power.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And I think we’re still in the infancy, I feel, you know, I’ve seen with all the after treatment on it, you know, the DEF and the diesel particulate filters and the cats and all that. Like, it’s evolving pretty rapidly, you know. It’s getting better. We’re getting, you know, going longer times between seeing failures on the system. Yeah. Unfortunately, we’re still in the early stages of it, and that’s why it’s costing us a lot of time and money to deal with it. But just like when we went to the electronic-controlled diesels, think of the old 6.0 and all those, how bad those were. And now we’re hardly seeing any problems with the electronic-controlled diesels. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, yeah. If you want to see a really expensive thing to have emissions on, it’s the first years of Freightliner Coronados where they – Just implemented a deaf. Oh, man, and things were in the shop every other week. Yeah, they were. Every deaf system.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 04 :
So, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, thanks for the insight.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, well, thank you, guys. Thanks, Warren. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know, it’s one of those things, too, with, what was I going to say? Yeah, it’s… It seems like with – like we were talking earlier, we’re more reactive to something than actually looking into the future and seeing stuff coming down the pipe. And it’s reactive, so they develop something that – Maybe works a little bit, but then it’s put onto the public, and the public is part of that research, I guess, put it that way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, let’s go on a little break, and then we’ll come back with Eric once we get back from break.
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SPEAKER 03 :
And we’re back. Let’s go straight to the phones. Let’s go to Eric. Good morning, Eric.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good morning, guys. So, hey, calling back here. Kind of an answer to Soren’s question.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
So here in the U.S., on the Class 8 side, on the heavy diesel side, our typical horsepower range is 450 to 550. And actually, any more, a lot of the manufacturers… are building more in the 450 to 500 horse range, but you’re pushing 1,800 torque. In some cases, up closer to 2,000. Whereas in Europe, you get a lot of their heavy diesels are closer to 700, 750 horse. And about the same, you know, they’re still high-torque motors, And, yeah, no matter what over there, they’re running AdBlue in some capacity. Maybe not using it as much as we do here, but there again, this goes back to my comment before, they have, seems like they have more lead time to build stuff to be ready for it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
What we do here, and you guys working on diesel engines are aware of this. Imagine if Toyota or Nissan could bring the diesel engine here that they sell everywhere else in the world. They couldn’t keep the trucks in stock.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right. Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
They don’t meet U.S. emissions.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
And they can’t be made to meet U.S. emissions. You know, and that’s unfortunate, but that engine, everywhere else in the world, is the most… I mean, you go to Australia and buy a Hilux or a Navara, Nissan Navara, which that’s the Nissan Toyota equivalent of the Tacoma or the Frontier. They sell the diesel… probably 10 to 1 over a petrol engine and the funny thing is with very missions laws over there EGR delete and DPF delete is actually legal as long as you’re not rolling coal if you’re excessively rolling coal and they see it you’re probably going to get you’re liable to get nailed for it Because there’s one of the Nissan Navara forms, pages that I follow on Facebook, and they talk about this all the time. And, you know, if somebody says, hey, you know, I heard about doing such and such and such and such, and what’s the ramifications? And, you know, it’s like, well, you’ll hear somebody, you know, somebody will post a comment, hey, are you new to doing this? Yeah, okay, well, here’s the warning. If you do this, yeah, it’s quote unquote legal to do it. as long as you’re not over-fueling. If you’re over-fueling and basically, you know, rolling coal, then you’re asking for trouble. If you’re doing it and it’s just a little bit here and there, that’s a different story. But, you know, that’s a difference in how their laws are. But in Australia, they can’t do that in Europe. In Europe, that’s illegal.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
they’re also built in different places and that’s a whole other whole discussion but regarding your question of the so regarding your road trip question uh 1988 so buddy and i were going to go meet up with some friends going camping and they were up there and i i worked for one of the pizza places here in town and i said well i’m not going to get off work until seven we can probably be there by ten And one of the guys was like, he goes, hey, man, he thinks he can bring like four or five pizzas with you. He says, you know, I go, well, it could be cold when we get there. He’s like, yeah, that’s fine. We can have cold pizza on Saturday. Okay. So Friday afternoon, I made up eight pizzas, tossed them in the backseat of my car in warming bags, went and picked up my buddy. We threw all our stuff in the trunk, and we headed up there. Well, directions got, our wires got crossed. and we couldn’t find them we drove around the whole maroon bells uh maroon falls camping area for over an hour where they were at frustrated as hell we’re like all start driving back down to denver and we we got down into glenwood canyon and i’m exhausted he’s already falling asleep in the there so we pulled over into what’s the area now for the hike up to the hanging lake area We pulled over in there. I stretched out on the front seat. He stretched out in the back seat on top of those warming bags and all those things. And we went to sleep. And, you know, we probably slept for about four or five hours, whatever. We got up. We were like, now what? And we ended up sitting there drinking cold beer or warm beer, cold pizza for breakfast. staring at each other going, seriously? And he’s like, he’s like, you know, he goes, oh, I got an idea. And I was like, what? So we ended up hiking up to Hanging Lake. And of course, you know, that was back before you had to make reservations and all that jazz to go up there. We go hike, we walked up there. Cool, this is great. You know, we had pictures and whatnot. Came back down, got in the car and drove back to Denver. And, uh, Couple days later, I called my friend on the phone and I go, where exactly were you guys? So he told me, of course, you know, that was long before cell phones and all that stuff. And he says, well, did you guys drive by like this little, um, like shack? I go, yeah. And he goes, you know, he goes, we were thinking about the fact that I should have told you to stop there and check. And I would leave a note with where exactly we were at once we found our spot. And I was like, yeah, great afterthought.
SPEAKER 06 :
That was a lot.
SPEAKER 16 :
So, yeah, that was amusing.
SPEAKER 06 :
We definitely take for granted our modern technology now. My girls ask me all the time, it’s like, how did you ever get a hold of anybody? How did you ever make plans to get somewhere? So, here’s another thing. So,
SPEAKER 16 :
When I first got into trucking in the late 90s, the company I worked for, I used to have to go to Billings, Montana all the time. And just past the state line from Wyoming into Montana, I blew two tires on the trailer. And I had my first cell phone and it barely worked. I had to get a ride from another trucker about two miles, three miles up the highway to get a spot where I could get cell service, call my company, give them all the information as to where I was at. And my boss is like, don’t go anywhere. He goes, cause we might have to call you back. I go, dude, it’s raining. I’m standing on the side of the highway. Yeah. And he’s like, Oh, and I says, so, you know, I stood there until the rain lightened up and I walked back down to the truck. And as soon as I started walking a highway and that’s, The first, when you go into Montana on I-90, the first 50 miles approximately is reservation. And Montana Highway Patrol does not patrol that unless there’s a crash. So I literally had to walk back down to the truck because nobody’s going to come along and find me. And I get down there and It was, I don’t know, a couple of hours, and I kept messing around, messing around, messing around with our radio, our two-way, and was eventually able to get them. And it was like an early push-to-talk system. And it was a Nextel system. And every once in a while, you’d get lucky in a spot where you didn’t think you’d have service, and all of a sudden, you’d get one little burst of service. And so I had the truck turned on, and it… All of a sudden, I happen to hear them come over the radio, and he’s like, yeah, somebody’s coming. They’ll be there in a couple of hours. I couldn’t even respond to him. And all of a sudden, this guy shows up out of Sheridan, this pickup, and there’s two guys in there. They get out, and one guy has got a shotgun in his hand. And I’m like, uh… And the deal was, they had… problem with service guys and whatnot being robbed on the reservation in that stretch of highway because it’s so desolate just because when they had service calls they always they they would send a two-person truck out and they generally carry either a handgun or a shotgun in the truck wow and they had no way to take your money unless you were paying cash if you were paying com check credit card anything like that you had to follow them back to Sheridan so that they could call call the information in so here I am an hour almost an hour north of Sheridan I have to turn around and follow them back down to Sheridan so they could process it well then there was a problem with processing the A third party vendor was paying for part of it. Well, they couldn’t get ahold of the third party vendor to get their payment. So the owner tells one of the techs, go get the key. The guy walked out to my truck, shut the truck off, grabbed the key out, locked the door, came back in tight, handed the guy the key. He put it in the safe, and he goes, you’ll get your key back when we get a hold of your third-party vendor.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow. That’s a good story there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that sounds like a trip no fun.
SPEAKER 03 :
We’ve got to go on hard break. Thanks for that. We’ve got to go on hard break.
SPEAKER 10 :
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