HR 2 DRIVE-RADIO (2-21-26) by John Rush
A listener opens with a classic-car “expert test” about ignition timing on a ’55 Bel Air—then the crew breaks down why the question is a trap and what the correct timing would be once you get to the right year and engine.
From there, the show gets into modern reliability: how emissions targets and thin oils may be pushing engineering limits, why the 12-volt battery is the unsung hero (or villain) in today’s computer-heavy vehicles, and how failing electrical systems can trigger a cascade of weird warnings.
Calls roll in with real-world problems and decisions:
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SPEAKER 18 :
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four barrel carburetor?
SPEAKER 16 :
It is a trick question. Watch this. The Chevy didn’t make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn’t come out until 62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb until 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
And we’re back on Drive Radio with Ken and Justin and Josh. Since we’re on the emissions thing, so what do you guys think about… Do you think we’re having issues with the Toyota motors and the GM motors? Do you think that’s because we’re trying to push Cafe too far? We’re trying to just… get our emissions numbers down enough that we’re making them a little too thin on the oil side or what’s, what’s your guess?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. I mean, is it that, or is it, you know, we’re getting so much horsepower out of smaller displacement that, you know, that we’re you know exceed well exceeding the ability to maintain or not maintain but have a reliable motor yeah construction in there so yeah does it take heavier can you know connecting rods uh you know what is what was the issue and i kind of heard on gm that maybe maybe it was a connecting rod issue but or a crank i’m sorry crankshaft issue yeah yeah and so was it Were they just not manufactured right, or was the steel not what it should have been and things like that? Because, I mean, a lot of other vehicles get a lot of horsepower that is even less per square, per cubic inch than the GM or the Toyotas. But is it just building them on… might get by or is going to get by. Well, we’ll save a penny per engine if we might get by. It’s one of those things where I have a… You just wonder. Is it… Is it just, well, we’ll try this, put it on the market, you know, the owners will own it, and, you know, we’ll have to take care of it. But hard to say what that involves.
SPEAKER 01 :
But, yeah, I…
SPEAKER 11 :
I kind of wonder, you know, with cafe and stuff like that, yeah, where does it all fall in?
SPEAKER 14 :
It does, yeah. We just have a lot of new technologies to try and get there. You know, it seems like we have start-stop, you know, and how now alternators have, you know, a sprag clutch on them so that they’re not, you know, eating up any horsepower or power when they’re not actually in use. We have all these thin oils. It seems like we’re just chasing everything under the sun to get a little bit more.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. Well, like John was saying, you know, they’re not making those engines any different in the European market or, you know, elsewhere in the world and they’re running different oils. Right. So, you know, we’re told to use this here, but why? Right. Exactly. And I had, I’ve had some customers that listen to the radio show and they’re like, well, do you feel comfortable putting in, you know, instead of zero 20, putting in five 20 or something, I’m like, I wouldn’t see an issue, but, you know, like even Chrysler will indicate a check engine light for improper weight.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. We’ve seen that a lot. Yeah. You know, on the Pentastars especially.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
A lot of those where they got the wrong weight of oil and next thing you know, there’s a check engine light on.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And it must measure how much flow or how much pressure is on the actual system in order to function the engine.
SPEAKER 04 :
so under deactivation or something along those lines i would imagine yes and we have a caller let’s go to bill and thornton good morning bill oh this is bob oh bob sorry hey um i was asking the your screener there is uh is john on another one of his vacations or yeah he’s a lot of time off lately
SPEAKER 14 :
He is. I think he’s always here. When you’re here every weekend and every day of the week on the radio, you need to sometimes get out and do a few other things. So he’s just out having some fun this weekend.
SPEAKER 04 :
There was no disaster on this trip, but I moved here to Denver in 1973 from my hometown, Buffalo, New York. And occasionally I would take a trip back there. It was my wife and I and no children and a dog. And we didn’t have money to fly and stuff. So here I go from Denver to Buffalo, and I-76 wasn’t completed yet up to I-80. Otherwise you’d go across I-80. So I went across I-70, you know. So I get to about, this is an old 67 Plymouth convertible, and I get about to the Kansas-Colorado line eastbound, and all of a sudden I hear this. It was a combination of a click and a rattle in the car, and of course it wasn’t an SUV or anything. It just had a big trunk on this big old Plymouth, and it just drove me crazy. I couldn’t unhear it. It was just… Click, rattle, click, rattle, rattle, rattle, click. And I’m thinking, where did we put in their luggage? Oh, we brought a couple of cases of Coors beer because you couldn’t get that in Buffalo. And stuff like it was just driving me nuts. I couldn’t get my mind off this click and rattle noise. I pull over into a rest stop off I-70 in the middle of Kansas. I’m talking the middle of Kansas. If you wanted to see anything, you had to stand on a tuna can to see the curvature of the earth. I unpacked the trunk of that car in the parking lot of the rest area, examined everything, put it back in, thinking, I don’t know what, but I hope the click and the rattle is gone. And I noticed it was a new moon. In other words, no moon. I looked up in the sky, and I could not believe how many stars there were. It was a clear night. I’m thinking, I’ve never seen so many stars in the sky in my entire life. And I was just… standing there mesmerized, looking up into the sky. My wife says, are we going somewhere? Get out of the car and look. And the clicking was gone. But I don’t know what it was. I just pulled everything out, put it on the ground, looked at it all, put it all back in. Wow.
SPEAKER 14 :
At least it was gone.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Didn’t have to drive all the way to New York with all that noise.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it just, you know, it was just annoying as heck to me. You ever have a noise in your car and you go, what is that?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep. Yep. Even when we’re packing it anymore, I’m like, okay, well, that could start rattling or clicking or rubbing or something. So I’m like, oh, put a blanket between that or do something. Pack it in there. Cool. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
I had a cover of a car the other day where one of the covers on the front windshield, you know, we had those A-pillar covers, and it just started rattling. It was driving me crazy, but it was on the passenger side. So, you know, finally I put it on cruise and leaned over there and punched that thing as hard as I could to get rid of it because I couldn’t take it anymore. I was done, but it was hard to get over to that passenger side to beat on that thing for a while. Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. Okay, that’s it for me.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s a good story. Thanks for the call.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, appreciate it, Bob. Yeah, I know noises, you know, that’s why, like, most of our vehicles, even my wife, she’s like, I don’t want a sunroof. We just don’t, you know, we don’t ever use them. So the only sunroof that rattles that’s an issue, of course, is in my car that I put on, you know, 350 miles a week on and stuff like that. Luckily, it only does it on… rougher roads but you know i’ve thought of because the motors are the motors not available anymore for it so i have it disconnected anyway because if it opens it won’t close so i uh i’ve thought about actually spot welding all the all the brackets and stuff together just so it won’t rattle anymore and i’ve tried everything else but yeah i’d That’s the only thing I haven’t done yet. So, I don’t know. We’ll see.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. When we’re selling an older vehicle that has a sunroof, we’ll just tell the customer, hey, we unplugged the switch. Like, we don’t want the sunroof getting opened and closed. Yeah. And they ask us, they’re like, well, I want to buy a car with a sunroof. And we tell them, well, we want you to buy a car that doesn’t have an open sunroof permanently. Right. On a newer car, yeah, we’ll let you play with the sunroof. But if we’re selling you something that’s 20, 25 years old. Right. No, we disable it or it’s just going to cause a problem for everybody.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that makes sense. Yeah, and that’s what I did. The motors in those are discontinued, of course, from GM, so I couldn’t find one anywhere. So it’s like close it and just disconnect it. I like that idea. That’s the best way to go. Yep, that’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, on that note, let’s take a little break.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And we’re back. KLZ 560 with Justin and Ken from Toontech. So here’s something I know I preach all the time. Let’s see what you guys think about it. Justin already knows the answer.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right.
SPEAKER 14 :
The most important part on a modern car.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, I know what the answer to this is.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because you hear it all the time.
SPEAKER 11 :
I do not have an answer for that at this point because… There’s so many. There are so many.
SPEAKER 14 :
But I feel right now it’s the 12-volt battery. It’s where everything starts. Well, true.
SPEAKER 11 :
Or doesn’t start. Yes, that makes sense.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we’re just seeing with modern computer-controlled cars that if that 12-volt isn’t right, then everybody else is a mess from there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, makes total sense, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
you can’t even unlock the door if you know if that’s not working right so yeah you can’t even start to know that it needs a jump start right yeah yeah we’re putting more equipment on all these cars um and especially these cars that have electronic power steering i see those are the ones that seem to take a lot of draw off the batteries electronic power steering cars yeah and yeah if you don’t have proper 12 volt power especially like in a mazda you have no steering Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, you can’t manhandle it.
SPEAKER 09 :
They seem like you can’t even manhandle it. They’re, like, locked up almost to a scary point. Right. Yeah, with all the modules we’ve got to run, you know. Makes sense. Even the infotainment systems nowadays, some of those have their own drivers. Sure. I was working on that Ford Escape radio. I mean, it’s got a screen. The screen’s got a driver, and then you’ve got the – The radio and receiver driver behind that. Yeah. I mean, just the radio and infotainment system, that thing’s got to be drawing down a whole bunch of power to run that. Right. But then you need all your powertrain control module and your transmission control module to run as well. Right. So… It is kind of cool. Some of these cars now will actually start shutting that stuff down, the stuff you don’t need. They’re smart enough to know that, hey, this car needs to run down the road, but I’ve got an alternator problem or battery problem, and the car will actually shut down the old body control module for power windows, power door locks. It will shut down your infotainment system to keep it going down the road. So these cars are getting smart. Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
yeah 12 volt battery that is an important one yeah we’ve seen that a lot with the radio goes first so the radio always goes first yeah then your abs light comes on and your airbag light comes on and then it’s like okay you’re minutes from being stuck on the road so yeah yeah hope you got some good walking shoes that’s right yeah i was on the way in one morning and i’ve got a 30 mile commute and I’m driving in and about halfway in, I see my ABS light come on like, Hmm. Okay. So I shut my headlights off. It was bright enough. So I shut the headlights off. ABS light goes off. I’m like, okay, get about, Oh, about five miles from the shop. ABS light comes on. I’m like, Okay. Well, turn the blower off. Okay. ABS light stayed on right as I pulled into the shop, the ABS light came on. So luckily I had a good enough battery to make it, you know, that 30 minutes anyway. So it was, yeah, man, alternator failed and, you know, just running the battery down. So.
SPEAKER 09 :
Battery got you to work, though. Battery got me to work.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’ve got to be smart enough to start turning stuff off.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. And now they will do it automatically.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 11 :
Body control module will start shutting those systems down to help you get a little further. It’s not going to say, hey, you need to get service real quick, but, yeah, at least you’ll have symptoms of something happening. Yeah.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re getting smart. Our Ford truck at home, I mean, it’s really cool. So I use that DPF alternatives for ours. We thought it was clogged. On the app on my phone, it said the particulate filter is broken internally. Well, I don’t believe that. Before it’s sending me a text message or a message to the app on the phone, I said, there’s no way it’s broken internally. It’s probably just clogged. So I pull it. DPF Alternatives picks it up. They clean this thing out. They give it back to me. We put it in. Same exact condition. No, it was, it was right. It was broken internally. So spend, I don’t know, thousand, $1,500 with DPF alternatives. And it just ended up being a waste of money because the whole unit needed to be replaced anyway. So sometimes they give you some more valid information sometimes, but I didn’t, I didn’t believe it. And I guess I should have.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. My bad.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Well, you know, we try to save where we can, you know, for our customers and for ourselves, of course. And, you know, just from experience and stuff. But yeah, sometimes it actually, that information is actually correct. And, you know, we have to actually have to go with what, what we might not want to actually face the truth.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, not to beat a dead horse, Josh, but I want to get back on your question about are these emissions regulations making it so that the manufacturers can’t keep up with them fast enough? And you look back at the Biden era standard and the Biden era standard, they wanted an eight to a 10 percent increase in fuel mileage per per year so by 2031 the goal was 50.4 miles per gallon so we’re 2026 so five years from now they were wanted us to be at 50.4 miles per gallon well part of this trump era rollback is not that we’re going to start polluting what it is is it’s making these numbers more attainable now they’ve dropped that number to 34.5 miles per gallon which is still a significant increase if you’re if you’re putting you know pickup trucks or true four by four vehicles in that mix if we could hit that number i mean that would still be a great number but that 50.4 mile per gallon by Not attainable. I do think we put a lot of pressure on the manufacturers to try to hit that number, and they started making internals lighter. They started making your oils thinner, and I think that has caused some issues. So I’m hoping that maybe we can make the vehicles a little more reliable. They’re saying the increase because of the standards per vehicle is $2,000 to $3,000 a vehicle. Mm-hmm. I really think it’s more than that. I mean, since, you know, COVID, going into 2026, I feel like pre-COVID we could buy a new vehicle in the mid $20,000, $30,000, and now… average price of a new vehicle is 50. If it’s a hybrid vehicle or electric vehicle, we’re in the 60s, 65s. I feel like that number has come up quite a bit. So I do think some of the rollback stuff is going to be good. Let’s make the vehicles reliable. Let’s stay on top of emission stuff. Yes, you know, Nitric oxides are causing respiratory issues. We’re talking off the air about getting behind a car that’s got a bad cat or getting behind a car on the road that’s a deleted truck. It is obnoxious. I do not want to smell that. I do not want to taste that while I’m going down the road. There are some goods to emissions, but I think some of the rollback stuff, I don’t think we’re really rolling back anything. I think we’re easing you know, on the manufacturers to make a reliable vehicle.
SPEAKER 14 :
Or maybe having a more realistic.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Realistic goal. Realistic goal. One that’s achievable instead of, you know, 50, you know, especially since cars have gotten heavier and heavier because of crash ratings and all this, you know what I mean? Back when me and Kim were young, we worked on cars that could do 50. You know, the Honda high fuel was, you know, basically a Honda Civic that was, there was nothing there. The car was super light, you know, and a small engine, no horsepower. And it would do 50 miles per gallon all day long.
SPEAKER 11 :
But it was like basically a motorcycle. You had the protection of a motorcycle.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, no impact beams or anything like that. It was, you know, it was, it didn’t weigh anything. It had like magnesium wheels on it to make it even lighter.
SPEAKER 11 :
But yeah, No power. No power. No power steering. No power. Yeah, I probably didn’t even have AC on.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, that was an option, and I think you lost, you went like 45 miles a gallon once you got AC. Yeah, right, and you lost like 10, yeah, exactly. And you couldn’t merge when it was on. I know that for a fact. But, you know, that was a 50-mile-an-hour car, you know. Now we’ve got cars that are in the 30s, you know, or a Prius that’s at the 50, you know, and some of the other hybrids that are at the 50. And, you know, they’re daily drivers, AC, radio.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, you know, real amenities. Modern conveniences and all that stuff, yeah, optioned out, yeah, type of stuff. But it depends on the driving you’re doing too. It does. I would imagine that on the hybrids they don’t get as good a fuel mileage like if you’re on the highway mainly. Yeah. Where if you’re in the city, yeah, they get great. I’m not sure if that’s the case or not.
SPEAKER 09 :
I agree with you. I was driving a Prius 5 last weekend, and I was driving it down I-25 75 miles an hour, and it was screaming at 75 miles an hour. But, you know, you drove that thing around at 40, 45. It said you were getting 50, 60 miles per gallon. So I agree with you that you get into those higher speeds. Those hybrid vehicles can’t keep up.
SPEAKER 11 :
So I agree with you wholeheartedly there. Oh, good. Yeah, and that was just always my perception, and that makes sense because the hybrid helps you get going, and it doesn’t really keep your speed. It helps here and there, but at the higher speeds, it doesn’t really… It’s not helping you all that much, but yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, man. Do we want to get into that one day on all the different hybrid systems?
SPEAKER 14 :
We can.
SPEAKER 09 :
Your motor assist or your parallel hybrids. There’s a couple different types of hybrids out there, too.
SPEAKER 14 :
P1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think Hyundai and Kia were one of the first manufacturers when they came out with the hybrid Optima and the hybrid Sonata. It’s one of the first vehicles out there that would actually do 74 or 75 miles an hour on just the electric motor.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Let’s stop at that. We’ll take a break, and then we’ll come back to John when we get back from break.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And we’re back on Drive Radio. Let’s go straight to the phones with John and Cheyenne.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, guys.
SPEAKER 14 :
Hey.
SPEAKER 10 :
How are you today? Good.
SPEAKER 14 :
How are you doing?
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. Quick question. I’ve got a 2011 Ram, 239,000 whatever miles on it. Mm-hmm. Average condition, what could I get for something like that? What’s something like that worth since you guys are in there from Ridgeline?
SPEAKER 09 :
Is this a half-ton truck?
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s a half-ton quad cab with a six-and-a-half-foot bed.
SPEAKER 14 :
Four by four?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER 09 :
What motor are you running?
SPEAKER 10 :
4.7 drivetrain.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, actually, I actually like that motor because it’s cheaper to replace than a Hemi. Hemi motors are very expensive to replace.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oil changed every 5,000 miles. BG EPR on the engine once a year or every other oil change. And BG services on the transmission and transfer every 50,000 miles.
SPEAKER 09 :
Does the truck look good?
SPEAKER 10 :
Average. Average. You know, got, what is it, 15, 16 years old’s worth of road things and stuff like that. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 14 :
And the Wyoming wind.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, if you’re pretty, if you’re comfortable, are you the original owner of that truck?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I bought it at a dealer with 4,000 miles on it. The guy bought it, didn’t like the 4.7 and traded it in with 4,000 miles on it. So technically, no, but… I bought it in March of 2012 with, like I said, 4,000 miles on it from a Dodge dealer.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. You know, John, if you would, email me a VIN to that truck. Okay. So, Justin at RidgelineAutobrokers.com. Email me a VIN to that truck. I’m going to send you the Carfax back to you. I think because you’ve got so much history in that truck that if you’re willing to go through the steps of selling it on your own, I think you could still get $7,000 to $10,000 out of that truck even with the mileage. Really? Well, you have the history. Obviously, if you’re going to trade this truck into a dealership, they’re going to give you $1,000 for it.
SPEAKER 10 :
So on trade, it’s not worth anything. I was going to either consign it, you know, like maybe to you guys. I know you sometimes consign it. But isn’t it a little old for you guys?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I’d be willing to sell that truck, especially with the oil change history, the EPR MOA history. I like that. And I have a lot of customers that don’t always use the search engines. You know, they call us asking for help. So it’s always nice to have the story. And, John, you have the story behind this truck. I mean, 200,000 miles of story behind the truck. That helps sell the truck. It’s when you don’t know anything that the truck’s worth $3,000.
SPEAKER 10 :
When I said I got it, I got it with 4,000, not 40,000 miles.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, so like new.
SPEAKER 10 :
It was technically new when I got it. The only thing it’s missing is when I got it, the previous owner put an aftermarket alarm in it, with a remote and at about 185,000 miles, it started giving me issues and my service guy just completely took it out.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Good.
SPEAKER 10 :
So I don’t have a key fob for it.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s okay. I mean, if, if we thought that was necessary to do, we, we can make a key fob for that truck in house.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Right. Cause I mean, people laugh at me now cause I want, I’m 64 years old. So, I learned to drive unlocking the door with a key. So I woke up and unlock it with the key. They’re like, what are you doing? How often do you see that anymore? You know what I mean? Yeah, it runs and everything pretty good. You know, like I said, it’s got it’s had, you know, suspend new control arms, new struts, because when I did the struts control arms, It was just easier to swap them out, you know what I mean? Because they come now as an assembly, and it was just easier to swap them out than to try to, you know, one of them had a bad bushing anyway.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I mean, no leaks, no lights on the dash?
SPEAKER 10 :
No lights on the dash. At about 5,000 miles, when I check the oil before I change it, It’s down maybe two-thirds of a quart.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, sounds about right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, nothing out of the ordinary. The AC works, heater works, everything works. It’s just older, and we’re going to upgrade one of our vehicles, and then once we… get a new one, we’re going to get rid of that one.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’ll be, cause that’s our oldest.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. I’d like to help you get a little more money out of that because if you say $4,000 half ton truck or $5,000 half ton truck, $6,000 half ton truck, that, that doesn’t exist. Like I, this truck, I mean, 79, 95, 89, 95. I mean, you’d be surprised. I mean, that’s still a reasonable price for a half ton truck that runs and drives down the road. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, well, that’s what my question for the day was. Oh, hey, Ken, it’s John from Cheyenne. I’m not plowing snow today.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I was going to say, did this truck have a plow on it or no?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, no, I have an 80 Chevy. My plow truck is an 80 Chevy three-quarter truck.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, right. Yeah, well, good. Yeah, we’re not plowing snow either.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s just been so dry. I mean, the pastures are white. We’ve got like three inches, but… Usually I call in the winter, and you got it for something on a Saturday, and you’re in with John, and I’m pulled over from plowing snow.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, you pulled over, and I had to plow to get out. Right. Not today. Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hopefully we’ll get some, though, because it’s bone dry up here. I know Colorado’s that way, too. Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep, I think it’s coming.
SPEAKER 10 :
You guys have a great rest of the day. Thanks for the input, Justin. Thanks, John.
SPEAKER 14 :
You too. Take care, John. Well, we’ve got five minutes before break. Let’s go to Paul in Black Forest.
SPEAKER 21 :
Hey, good morning, gentlemen.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good morning.
SPEAKER 21 :
I already texted John on this, but you guys have been talking a while. I wanted to see if I could get a little illumination on it. I’ve got a 2012 Suburban 5.3, 180K on it now. I’ve had it since about 150K. It was for my daughter, and now I’ve got it back. And it’s got that persistent little knock, especially when it’s cold. It really moderates when it warms up. I haven’t been able to isolate it with my touch stethoscope. It’s just kind of a knock, knock, knock, knock, knock about lifter speed. I don’t suggest it a lifter or carbon. And the odd thing about the, I got the owner’s manual with it for about 50,000 miles or so. They kept track of stuff. And early on in its life, like 50,000, 60,000, they were running 1540 Rotella in it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Huh. Okay.
SPEAKER 21 :
Which I’ve never seen a C-rated. No.
SPEAKER 11 :
Definitely wasn’t.
SPEAKER 21 :
Unless you’re looking for the ZDPE or something. I can’t imagine why they’re doing that unless it was for that. I put $30,000 on it. It hasn’t gotten any worse, but I did get a powertrain warranty on it for my daughter up in Idaho just in case.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 21 :
I wasn’t up there to work on it. I got it back in Colorado now. If it’s carbon, what do you suggest to try and get rid of that? When I got it, gosh, three years ago, two and a half years ago, I ran a 44K in the And the EPR through it didn’t seem to make a difference.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
But it’s about ready for an oil change again. I’m going to run it through again. That stuff’s so hard to find, the BG. I’ve got a really good commercial guy in town here from my little hobby shop. I had him order me a case of each of them.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 21 :
So I get now because everything I work on is approaching 200,000 miles for friends and family. Oh, sure.
SPEAKER 11 :
And the knock, is it worse when it’s cold? I can’t remember what you said. It’s worse when it’s cold, and then you still hear it once it warms up, or does it go away after a minute or two?
SPEAKER 21 :
It almost goes away. It kind of depends on the temperature outside, how long it’s been running. But it definitely gets a lot lighter like a lifter might or like carbon might. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 11 :
Carbon, I wouldn’t say it’s a carbon issue. That just doesn’t sound like anything there. Lifter would be more of a tick. I’m almost thinking that knock could be like piston related, something like that. I know on our 04 Suburban, we had that for probably half its life, and we sold it at 330,000 miles. And it did that, and every time my wife would take off, I’m like, oh, I hear it. And then by the time she got to the end of the driveway, I didn’t hear it anymore. And so it could be something like that, especially if it’s, you know, obviously engine problems. engine rotation or rpm related and almost like a piston but we never had any issues with with that and i never looked into it very far because it wasn’t a major concern of mine at that point figure well if it’s something that’s going to grenade it it would have done it by now so yeah you would think so yeah just you know an old school guy i just hate hearing those noises from a v8 no i get it too yeah and Yeah, it’s kind of hard to say, but that’s what I attributed. If it’s the same noise that I had, that’s kind of what I attributed mine to. But now those are two different engines, so Ford 2012 also. I mean, same engine, but, yeah, a little different configuration.
SPEAKER 09 :
You guys would know better than me. When that oil thins out and gets warmer, I mean, a lifter tick would get worse.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, and usually set a code or something to that effect, too.
SPEAKER 09 :
Or a chewed-up cam. I mean, normally that’s what we see. We see a chewed-up cam or bad lifters on those LS motors.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Does it have all its exhaust manifold bolts? I’ve had that, the one on the rear. True, yeah. Usually the driver’s side brakes and… When it’s cold, you get what sounds like a tick. It’s really a little exhaust leak, and it warms up as that manifold expands and goes away.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yeah, that’s a really good point.
SPEAKER 14 :
But I’ve just had a few of those where it was described by the customers as like a tick.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, and it’s always usually driver’s side. It can be the passenger side. But the back of the head, that top bolt breaks first thing on all those older 5.3s. Right.
SPEAKER 21 :
That’s always a real easy one to reach, right? Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s always the one that breaks.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it breaks off inside, and you can’t get a drill in there or anything like that. You should be able to see a little bit of soot there, right? You can.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’ll see soot. If you look at the back of the head, you usually start to see a little black soot there, too, if it is leaking.
SPEAKER 11 :
And Dorman makes a repair kit for that. It’s not real easy to put on, but it’s a lot easier than pulling the manifold and trying to drill that bolt out. It is.
SPEAKER 14 :
It takes that bolt in the back of the head and kind of reaches around on it.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, and it’s funny because I forgot all about that because my 2011 Suburban does that right now. So I just haven’t done anything about it. But it’s more of a ticking, not so much a knocking noise. And it pretty much goes away after a minute or two.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, I’ve had to do those on Fords before. It’s always the right side manifold, passenger side manifold.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 21 :
I don’t know why that is. The only thing I can figure is it’s a direction of the fan rotation in which one side runs cooler than the other.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, exactly. Air flow.
SPEAKER 21 :
But other than walnuts, there’s no other thing to try and work on the carbon.
SPEAKER 11 :
I probably wouldn’t try walnuts. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, you could try the air induction service, have a shop do air induction service on it. That will sometimes break up that carbon on it. Yeah, if that is. If it is carbon, but yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, I tried something new on one the other day. I forget what I was trying to cure. But seafoam now has a little deal that you slip in – You pull the boot before the throttle body, and you slip in this little angled, just like a standard nozzle spray, but it’s got a little curved fixture on it. And while you’re running it at a little bit higher RPM, which requires two people normally, but this one had a cable right up front I could reach, and you just idle this thing about 1,500 and spray that in there until the can is empty. It takes about eight or ten minutes.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
But it took care of whatever noise and check engine light I was trying to get rid of on that one.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, that’s a carbon issue.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, we need to slip off to a little break for a bit, and we’ll be right back. Thanks for everything.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And we’re back. KLZ 560 Drive Radio with Ken, Josh, and Justin here. Let’s go to Gene down in Castle Rock. How are you doing this morning?
SPEAKER 08 :
Good morning, gentlemen. Good morning. How are you all? Good. Doing great. Thanks. I have got an old 2005 Mercury Mariner V63 liter. You know, it’s a Ford Escape kind of car. And about three weeks ago, I had gone and had half a tank of gas. I’ll fill it up at Costco. Okay? Okay. And a couple of days later, I got a check engine with a PO 192 code. Okay.
SPEAKER 1 :
192?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Which is, excuse me, 193. Okay. Which is a upper fuel rail high pressure sensor. Okay. All right. Cleared the code. Car didn’t run. It was fine. No issues. It did it again like three or four days later. I cleared the code. And then I went, I wonder if it was that darn Costco gas. Again, no drivability issues, nothing. Finally, it did it one more time, probably five or six days after that. I then at that point was almost out of gas, went and filled it up again with new gas, and I ran a thing of fuel injector cleaner through it. Never had any issues, never run bad, anything. Now I’m getting a couple of miles to a gallon better fuel economy because I ran some fuel injector cleaner through it. Right. But is that code potentially I could have had some slight contamination from the Costco gas?
SPEAKER 14 :
I’ve never seen it from that.
SPEAKER 11 :
I would typically say no. We’ve replaced those sensors in the past for those codes typically. Yeah, we just kind of have to scan it and see what our pressures are if they’re within spec. And since it’s not coming on right now, of course, it’s going to test good. Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. I mean, it hadn’t done it in about two weeks. It’s clean, runs fine.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Never had any.
SPEAKER 11 :
hesitation drive of anything like this yeah could it just been something weird in the sensor you know potentially it’s probably getting ready to fail i would tend to think more so but yeah replacing that sensor was is usually our our go-to on that it looks like 90 percent of hits are on that yeah yeah and is that a big deal to do is an expensive sensor
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s not too bad, and it’s right on top of the fuel rail.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it’s right up top, so it’s not too bad, yeah. It’s kind of like an oil pressure sending unit type thing. It is, yeah. It screws into the rail.
SPEAKER 14 :
Three-wire, you know, variable resistance sensor. So just, you know, make sure you do when the engine’s cold because you’re going to have a little fuel leak out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, okay. Is there a small vacuum like that? Some of them are.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. I don’t know. Yeah, I don’t think there is a vacuum line. I don’t know if there’s a vacuum line to that or not.
SPEAKER 09 :
It might have a vacuum line that can crack, too. Oh, okay. So I would check that vacuum line to it because that could give you a bad reading, too.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and if it was during that cold spell, you know, we could have had, you know, vacuum lines aren’t as pliable, so they’re more apt to leak, so that’s possible.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. But, again, I’ve had no issues for a couple weeks now.
SPEAKER 14 :
And usually what I’ve had with it is when they’re intermittent, you know, what I do for tests is I just floor the car. And all of a sudden the fuel pump’s trying to catch up and the sensor sees a little spike, and that’s when I get that code. So, you know, if you’re daily driving, I seldom have it. It’s usually under a hard acceleration that those sensors fail the most.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s when you’ll see the failure more so. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
But, I mean, it doesn’t hurt anything. It didn’t affect drivability until you start running bad, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
Usually. I mean, I think it can go in the limp home when it codes because it kind of doesn’t trust the fuel pressure. Because on that one, you know, you don’t have a return system. The fuel pump delivers all the fuel up there, and it kind of uses that sensor to run the fuel pump module to run the fuel pump to deliver fuel up there. So, you know, you could have a little horsepower drain. I don’t. I haven’t seen that sensor cause it to not run and go down the road, but you’ll lose power. So if that light’s on, you may go to accelerate and think you’re going to accelerate faster and not pull out as fast as you were.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Well, thank you, guys. I appreciate it. I was just curious if it was that gas issue or not, that diesel issue.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I haven’t seen it on the gas side. Yeah, not related to what you’re putting in the tank. Yeah, just seeing what pressures it’s not seeing or needs to see. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Thank you much.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you, Gene.
SPEAKER 14 :
Have a good day. And let’s go to Lucy and Golden. Good morning, Lucy.
SPEAKER 19 :
Hi, gentlemen. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 14 :
Good. Great, thanks.
SPEAKER 19 :
I just wanted to give a shout out. If anyone in the listening audience is looking for a reliable used car, the most superb independent dealership I’ve ever dealt with is Ridgeline Auto. Justin and Josh, you’ve been so good to me. And I’ve probably gone to 30 or 40 dealers, and you guys are the ultimate professionals. So I wanted to thank you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, we appreciate that. Hey, Lucy, did you ever replace your car? Did you get a newer car?
SPEAKER 19 :
I’m still shopping. Are you still shopping? When you replaced the transmission in my RX300, you did such a great job that I’m still driving it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Are you?
SPEAKER 19 :
And I’m totally overwhelmed by the new car market. So I’m looking, and tell me what you all think of this. I’m considering maybe the Mazda CX-50 Hybrid. What do you think about that vehicle?
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, I’ve had really good success with the Mazda vehicles. There’s a couple of them. You know, I do a little online research. There’s a couple of the bigger models, the CX-7s and CX-9s, so I’m talking a little bit older than what you’re looking at, obviously, that I think they were in bed with Ford with that transmission control module, and they were having some troubles there. We had one that we were consistently putting new software on, and it would be fine for like a day or two, and then it would still have a hard shift, so… But I think they worked out all those bugs on the newer ones from what I’ve looked at. So I’m a big fan. So I like the Mazda product.
SPEAKER 19 :
The 2025s have adopted the Toyota hybrid system. Now it’s still a Mazda. But I’ve read good reviews about it. And John Rush told me I should look at the NX. Lexus NX, but I’ll tell you guys, I got into that, and I feel like I’m in the cockpit of a plane. It was so claustrophobic for me, because it’s smaller than my RX 300. And, you know, you’ve met me, Justin. I’m small, and it still doesn’t work for me, and yet the RX is too big. Plus, with inflation the way it is, I probably will go back to a standard car, such as the Mazda. But I’ve read good reviews about the CX-50, and that’s a good size for me. It’s not… You know, it’s not as big as my RX300 was, but it’s not as small as that NX, and I felt very claustrophobic in that NX.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I like that size, and I also think they’ve got good styling to that car, too. I think they did a real good job with that. I’d be curious. I’m sure the price point’s going to be quite a bit lower than going with the Lexus, too, which is always nice.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, that’s an incentive for me. It’s at least $10,000 or $15,000 left. That’s a lot of money. In 2002, even though it was a $41,000 price take, I mean, it served me well because it’s still running since you’ve replaced my transmission. It’s got about 227,000 miles on it now.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, I think you’re going the right direction there. Have you driven one?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yes, and it’s quite comfortable for my size and my, you know, for all the seating and the visibility and everything. It seems quite comfortable for my driving style.
SPEAKER 09 :
If it feels right and drives right, I think that’s a good option for you for sure.
SPEAKER 19 :
Good to hear, because I bought that Subaru, and although it had the highest ratings, it just was not for me personally. I’m not saying it’s not a good car, but it was not for me, where this Mazda seems to feel better.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I won’t use any profanities on the air, but as they say, there’s a butt for every seat. We all, you know, like what we like.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I think if you’re going to buy something and you’re going to keep it 10, 15, 20 years, it’s got to feel right to you. So I think that’s the most important part. And then looking into reliability and serviceability, I think, is important, too. And we’ve had no problem servicing the… The Mazdas. The Mazdas. I mean, they’re easy to talk to. We know what their quirks are. So it’s going to be a very inexpensive vehicle to maintain down the road as well. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And with the system being a Toyota in there, I mean, who builds a better hybrid system than Toyota? They pioneered it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, they did.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’ve got all the bugs out.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I believe… I believe 2025 is the first year they’ve adopted the Toyota hybrid system, and that was appealing to me. Now, the rest of the car is still a Mazda, and that’s what I was hesitating on, but if I get to go from you guys, I may just do that. But I can’t tell you how much, Justin, you and Josh were so good to me, letting me test drive cars and, you know, really being accommodating and kind and I hope anybody looking for a reliable used car will take a look at Ridgeline.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, we appreciate that plug. Thank you, Lucy.
SPEAKER 19 :
You bet. And take care of yourselves. Good to talk to you all.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right. Good luck on the car ride.
SPEAKER 19 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 14 :
Thanks. And we’re going to go on break.
SPEAKER 07 :
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