John Rush is joined by Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House for a wide-ranging conversation covering health scares, government mistrust, and the future of medicine. The hour begins with discussion surrounding renewed Ebola fears after reports of a diverted international flight, with Dr. Kelly explaining why the virus is unlikely to become a worldwide pandemic despite heavy media attention.
The conversation then shifts into controversy over alpha-gal syndrome, the meat allergy linked to Lone Star tick bites. Dr. Kelly and Steve House explore growing concerns over tick-borne illnesses, reports of ticks allegedly being dumped in rural areas, and claims involving
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Okay, happy Thursday, everybody. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today, Steve House as well. Dr. Kelly, I’ll start with you. Thanks for joining us.
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Hey, great to be with you as always.
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Always a joy. Steve, you as well. Thanks for joining us, sir. Yes, happy Memorial Day almost. Yeah, it’s very close. So the official start is tomorrow, so not too far off. So let’s get started, though, guys. And I’m going off of some things that you guys recommended. I’ve got some things on my own, but let’s start with lots of talk right now. In fact, I saw there was a jet that was actually – steered into a particular airport in, I believe, Canada, Dr. Kelly, and that’s because of Ebola. Is that really something to be concerned about? What’s the scoop there?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, look, Ebola is a virus that’s been around for many, many, many decades. It tends to the outbreaks that we’ve had. And to be clear, we’ve had more than 40 of them over the past 17 years. They largely occur in sub-Saharan Africa, in the Congo, which is where this one emanated from. Ebola, while it is a very serious virus, has a relatively high mortality rate, upwards of 50%. particularly if you don’t have access to medical care. It is not a virus that impacts the vast, vast majority of the world’s population. It is not a respiratory virus. It is spread only by direct physical contact with the infected blood or saliva or other bodily fluids of infected people. It does not have the makings of something that can cause a pandemic. We have a relatively large outbreak right now. But again, this isn’t something that is going to impact the vast majority of the globe. So I think, again, we’ve got a lot of fear mongering going on. They tried to do it with hantavirus that bombed out. And so now they’re sort of dusting off Ebola. which rears its ugly head every couple of years uh i i think that there’s no reason for anybody to be paying much attention to it other than obviously we feel badly for those areas of the world that have these outbreaks and we’re hopeful that they will be able to contain it if i’m not mistaken steve it’s congo and there’s even some flight limitations and things along those lines regarding that is that correct yeah some cases have been have turned up in uganda
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So, I mean, it may be crossing the border and people move around down there.
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Yeah. And again, Dr. Kelly, thank you. And Steve, to your point, and I guess on your end of things, on the admin side, are you hearing much on that at all? Or is anybody on the hospital admin side even talking about it at this point? There you go. Are you there, Steve? Oh, yeah, I thought you were asking about that. No, no, no, sorry, I was talking to you. Sorry, my bad, my bad.
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I’m not hearing anything about it in hospitals here in the U.S.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so Dr. Kelly, really just a lot, again, more of the scare tactics than anything in the press, man. When they find something along these lines, they just latch onto it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. And unfortunately, you know, part of the problem is lack of education in the regions where these things break out. There are some cultural issues that cause these things to spread more than they otherwise would, largely because they have some cultures, some customs having to do with how they prepare the bodies of those people who die, meaning the ritual washing of them, sometimes kissing the body. These sorts of things where they need to be educated. Look, this person died of Ebola and your only real risk is being in close contact with that. So it is not wise to continue those rituals and those customs in these particular cases. Other than that, truly, I think this is going to be something, as I said, we’ve had 40 cases. 4-0 documented outbreaks, small epidemics of Ebola over the past couple of decades, and I don’t expect that this is going to be anything more than those.
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Where does it come from initially, Dr. Kelly? That’s something that, I mean, I can read up on it, but instead of doing that, I’ll just ask you. I have no idea. Is it something that’s in nature? Does it come from animals? Where does it come from?
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It is a naturally occurring virus that’s been, again, that really lives primarily in these tropical environments. I don’t believe at this point, once again, we don’t have any evidence that there’s been any manipulation of this virus. That’s always everybody’s concern, that when these things start to act differently, these things meaning viruses start to act differently than they had previously in nature, in other words, spreading more, causing more virulent disease. passing from person to person in ways that they didn’t previously, then we always question, has this actually been manipulated somewhere? There was a case of a scientist who was caught bringing in a number of viruses, including Ebola, into the United States against, you know, this was clearly a breach of the law to be bringing this in. He had also, I believe he had smallpox with him as well. So you wonder, what are these people doing with these viruses in the laboratory? But at this point, yes, Ebola is a naturally occurring virus. We’ve never had an outbreak in the United States, although there has been one or two Americans who have gotten Ebola over the years. There’s never been an outbreak here.
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All right, let’s switch over to Steve. I’ll start with you on this one. Statute of limitations on Fauci. We continue to learn more and more about what actually happened during his tenure. What are your thoughts there?
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You know, I haven’t quite figured out how is it that you get immunity when Biden gives you a blanket pardon? I guess the blanket pardon really was relative to COVID. At the same time, Congress is saying, Rand Paul specifically saying that he lied to Congress. The statute of limitations in theory ended on May 11th. because of the time he talked to Congress about gain of function. So, I mean, I know that there’s other ways they can charge people. I mean, you look at what they did with Donald Trump, where they charged him with all kinds of strange stuff by changing the rules. I mean, the Department of Justice can do what they want, but the hardest part about this is He lied to Congress. Everybody saw it. What happened to our DOJ stepping in and filing charges against him before May 11th? Is anybody home over there? Do they have the lights on? I don’t get it. We walked right past that date.
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Do you think, Dr. Kelly, it’s that they didn’t, I highly doubt they didn’t pay attention. Do you feel like it’s because of that pardon that they just didn’t have enough ammunition to counter that? What are your thoughts?
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No, I think they actively ignored it. I think the DOJ was given the order that you are not going to act on this. Look, everybody and their brother knew the statute was coming up. Whether or not the preemptive auto pen pardon would have stood up is anybody’s guess. But they didn’t even investigate it to find out if it would. You had a couple of people. Senators Rand Paul and Ron Johnson, who were paying any attention to it at all, the Democrats certainly were not going to stand up for it. And it appears to me like there was an order given to the DOJ to simply let it go. They were not going to do, you know, because people would say, well, you have the pardon. But the question is, I don’t think if anybody pushed it, that the pardon ever would have stood up. Since when do we give a pardon? Really? Very, very vague, by the way. It didn’t just apply to covid. It was a pardon that dated back 10 years prior to covid. Like 10 years after it goes into the future says, you know, you can’t be guilty of anything wrong that you did during this huge chunk of time. It’s absolutely preposterous. And I don’t think it would have stood up to a to a Supreme Court challenge. But it looks to me like they were given an order not to pursue it.
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Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory, Steve House with us. And if you want to know more about Dr. Kelly, just go to our website, RushToReason.com. You’ll find a page there dedicated to all the things we’ve done and talked about literally now, guys, for the past six years now. All right, tick-borne diseases, Dr. Kelly. And this is something that, again, I’m not very familiar with. I know some of this just because here in Colorado, this is something that we’re somewhat, you know, we’ve had some experience with. But is there now some manipulation by Bill Gates with this? What’s going on?
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Well, there’s certainly a lot of concern about it. It’s been very clear that Bill Gates has been obsessed with using ticks and other insects to both deliver disease and potentially cures, i.e. vaccines or things that are vaccine-like. There’s no question that a specific tick, the Lone Star tick, has been known and has been manipulated to carry something called alpha-gal. It’s a genetic issue that causes a meat allergy known as alpha-gal syndrome. Not all Lone Star ticks carry it, and most don’t lead to that condition, but there’s evidence that there are some ticks that have been manipulated to increase the alpha-gal carrying so that the bites that they induce will cause people to become allergic to meat. Just last week, a big report was written by a professor at the University of Michigan stating that it was a, quote, moral imperative to induce this illness in people, to cause people to become allergic to meat so that they wouldn’t be able to eat it. Now, this is no small thing. You’re talking about, you know, really activism of a sort where you are inducing an illness and allergies that people cannot tolerate meat, which is red meat, pork, veal and other things. And in some cases, dairy, so that they have they can have anaphylaxis, they can have nausea, vomiting. break out in hives, skin conditions, but are rendered unable to eat meat products and dairy. This is a real problem, and we are starting to see more and more cases of it. The CDC says that there’s upwards of 100,000 cases already that have been diagnosed in the U.S., and they think that that’s likely a significant underrepresentation of who actually has this thing. So, I’m paying a lot of attention to it. We’ve heard quite a few reports, particularly in Colorado, interestingly, of ranchers saying that they are finding these big boxes dumped on their property that are full of ticks. that it appears that someone is dumping boxes of insects out in rural areas. So I say we need to pay attention to it. There certainly are a lot of tick-borne diseases that we’ve known about, Lyme disease being one, Rocky Mountain spotted fever certainly, other parasitic diseases. But this alpha-gal syndrome is not an infection. It’s actually a genetic change that renders you unable to eat a large range of meat products.
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Interesting. Steve, what have you heard along these lines? And Dr. Kelly, I have more questions, but go ahead, Steve.
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Well, I’ve heard about the boxes of ticks. The one thing I would like to see is Even though the mainstream media is not good, I’d like to see something that’s sort of mainstream. I’m not ruling it out, of course, because I don’t rule anything out devious from Bill Gates, but I’d like to see it. In fact, I understand that, number one, it has to be a Lone Star tick. I think it’s the tick they’re talking about for alpha-gal. Kelly, what happens when you eat meat after you’ve been infected by one of these ticks and you get alpha-gal?
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Yeah, you have an allergic reaction. You can have everything from anaphylaxis, where you actually have tongue swelling and difficulty breathing and need to be hospitalized, skin conditions, breaking out in hives. The same things you would with if you know anybody who’s got an allergy to shellfish. or an allergy to anything else. The reaction can range from out and out anaphylaxis to skin conditions, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, those sorts of things. So it’s So it’s really a I’m just looking at the numbers. They’re saying that there are more than 110 suspected cases of alpha gal syndrome that were in the past, say, 15 years. But the CDC is saying as many as half a million people might be affected right now. So, again, it is that Lone Star tick that carries it. And the question always, always, you know, is somebody manipulating these ticks? And when you’ve got somebody, you know, a professor at a major university writing that there is a, quote, moral imperative to spread this stuff. I mean, you know, this is crazy. These are people who are crazy. These are people who are, rather than taking care of your health, they’re actually talking about inducing an illness so that we can drive some sort of environmental agenda.
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Yeah, it’s all about climate change and population management. I mean, look, we would have to assume that all of Bill Gates’ statements about the desire to reduce the population on the planet are fake statements to not believe that he’s involved in this. I mean, it’s crazy. I mean, you know, he’s probably the one guy that can fund it. He knows about it. I mean, I don’t know. Why hasn’t there been some sort of investigation? And if 100,000 people have gotten a disease, who’s in charge of investigating the source of the disease and the problem? It’s the FDA. It’s the CDC. You know, Bobby Kennedy’s group, someone. And how have they not gone farther in this investigation than just conspiracy theories? Great question.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I agree. And I think that there’s no question, as I said, we’ve got people like Bill Gates who are on the record saying what they want to do. They clearly would like it if the masses were not able to eat meat. They want to replace meat and they’ve said so for a long time with either eating insects uh or eating some plant-based protein because they have this this ridiculous idea uh that it’s you know cows and and uh you know the over reliance on mammals that is driving climate change um but the idea that you would induce an illness of this sort that could be life-threatening by the way So people get anaphylaxis is absolute insanity. The only treatment for alpha-gal syndrome is to not eat anything with products from mammals that can trigger the reaction. And that means not only red meat, but certain dairy, gelatin, lots of things have animal have mammal products in it. And you just don’t know what’s going to cause this.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Great point. Okay, a question I had for you, because to me, this is fascinating. And I’m not a biologist, so some of this stuff is way outside of my pay range, Dr. Kelly and Steve. How do you manipulate an insect to do the things you’re talking about? That part I’m really naive on.
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Well, this is something that happens in a laboratory where you’re actually taking out and inducing genetic changes in a tick, where you’re inducing DNA changes and then causing these things to repopulate. And this has been going on, unfortunately, for decades. There are certainly many, many people who believe that Lyme disease was created also by our government in a laboratory, that it was not a naturally occurring disease. parasitic protozoal disease that it was induced into ticks and spread by ticks purposefully to what end you might ask and again same thing with this alpha gal that you know this is something that’s being induced into the tick population apparently it can only it only works in these lone star ticks but you know we’re starting to see something and then on with steve the question is Is all of this real or are there people out there trying to gin up fear by dropping off boxes of who knows what on some rancher’s property and they aren’t even lone star ticks, let alone infected with You know, Alpha Gal, who knows? You know, so but I’m not seeing as much interest or vigilance on the part of our our agencies as I would like to, given the amount of stuff that you can read about this.
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Yeah, I guess, you know, Dr. Kelly, to your point and Steve’s, I’ll start with you. If this isn’t what’s going on, and to your point, these are boxes of whatever being dropped off. I’ve read different things where it could be, you know, bait and things along those lines. Okay, well, you know, what is it? Come out and explain it. But here’s the problem that we’re running into. And this is where I think we can go here for a few minutes before we go to break. The problem, Dr. Kelly, is… And it’s not just this administration. It’s all administrations. No one trusts the government anymore. I mean, it’s the point where… And I’m not saying that, you know, this… You know, Donald Trump’s doing a bad job or anything along those lines. That’s not where I’m going. You guys know my thoughts on that. But in general… He does not control every single branch of what’s going on. Yes, he’s got his eye on things, but he cannot control every single thing that’s happening inside of government. In turn, Dr. Kelly, there’s this huge mistrust of government all the way down to the state and even local level, if you would. I’m not talking just the feds. I’m talking all the way down to the local level. No one trusts government anymore, A, because of the incompetency, and B, because they lie to us all the time.
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I agree, and you shouldn’t think for a minute that Donald Trump has any idea what’s going on in these agencies. He doesn’t. He’s got to trust the people who he puts in charge of them. He’s got to trust, which is how things went sideways during COVID. You know, Donald Trump is a businessman. He doesn’t have any science background. There’s no reason for him to ever believe that he had a clue about what an mRNA vaccine was or anything to do with COVID. He has to be able to trust the people who he puts in place to oversee those agencies. So… I’m guessing that Donald Trump has never heard of alpha-gal syndrome or a lone star tick or has any idea that there’s concern about people developing an allergy to this protein that occurs in meats after a tick bite. So I think the problem is we need people, everybody from Bobby Kennedy to the people in charge of these various agencies – to pay attention and to start looking at what’s going on. Furthermore, somebody needs to investigate how it is that Bill Gates, who’s a guy who is not a doctor, doesn’t have a college degree, doesn’t have a science degree in anything, but is out there manipulating things, passing vaccines around the entire world. He’s got way more power than makes sense. Somebody else is pulling the strings here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good point. Steve, your comments on all of that. And by the way, Dr. Kelly, I can’t disagree with any of that.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m a little concerned that Donald Trump himself may have alpha-gal since he only eats McDonald’s and there’s no meat in that. Good one. But, you know, it is, you’re right, John, because my thought process this week has just been, how do we do this? How do we ever do this, given the fact that conspiracy theories, many of which turned out to be true, turn out to be true? We don’t trust the government. I mean, how are we going to exist? I mean, you know, if you don’t trust the food source, I mean, you grow your own food, of course you can do that, but not everybody can grow beef easily enough. It’s not even easy to grow chicken meat and harvest it yourself. I mean, we have a supply chain that is running through government regulation everywhere, from pharmaceuticals to food to whatever, and that supply chain is corrupted by a government we don’t agree with, we don’t believe in. I don’t know where America goes from here. I’ve never contemplated how bad it might be. But if you got it to this point where boxes are showing up on farms with ticks, full of ticks, and we’ve got 100,000-plus people with alpha-gal when we’re supposed to have 150 every decade. there’s just no way around this. We’re going to have to push back or grow our own food or get rid of the government or something.
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Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Dr. Kelly Victory, Steve House with us as well. All right, Dr. Kelly, and this was a question that came in from Steve, actually. He wants to know your take on the future of the FDA now that some of the changes that have happened have happened, I guess you could say. Where do we go from here? Where does the FDA go? And then I’ve got a few questions of my own as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, to clarify, you know, the recent change that happened at the FDA is that Dr. Marty Macari was ousted. I was never a fan of Dr. McCary in the first place, largely because I thought he was very, very weak during the pandemic. He was not on the right side of history. He was pro-masking, pro-lockdown, pro-social distancing, and pro-vaccine until very late in the game when it became sort of, you know, safe to come out. And, you know, he’s been very, very wishy-washy. That said… The reason he got booted from the administration, I actually agreed with what he was doing. He did not want to approve the flavored vapes, these different things, these different flavors. You know, flavored stuff. And President Trump and President Trump’s administration, I think largely Susie Wiles, wanted them to be approved because they were concerned that they would lose some of the younger voters, their support for Trump and for the Republican administration. if they got rid of the idea that you’d be able to go in and buy flavored vapes. So I think Marty was correct on that. Dr. McRae was correct, did not want to do it. There’s a lot of danger to vaping. The last thing we want to do is make it more attractive to young people by giving bubblegum-flavored vaping. So I agree with that. The other thing is that there were some issues over the methapristone abortion pill. that Marty Macri is finding himself out of sync with the pro-life folks that are on the Republican side. So, you know, it’s good riddance as far as I’m concerned with him because, as I said, I think he was very soft and wishy-washy in general. Now, that said, where are we going to go? I think Americans, we’ve said it over and over again, have lost faith, have lost confidence, in every single one of our agencies, in our government in general. Nobody trusts the CDC, the FDA, the NIH, the DOJ, none of them. And for good reason. The FDA has been asleep. They have not done a good job of overseeing things. That’s how all of these different medications, including these vaccines, end up getting, quote, approved, despite the fact that they haven’t had adequate trials. And so I think what’s going to need to happen is somebody who’s really, really dedicated and promises to follow good scientific methods. That’s the only way we will get back to having any confidence. And it certainly would help if we got somebody in the FDA who said, the first thing I’m going to do as FDA commissioner is I’m going to revisit this. the entire vaccine schedule and every single vaccine individually and make sure that we fund a well controlled trial safety trial against a placebo for every single one of those vaccines that’s on the childhood schedule because none of them have been held up against an actual placebo. So we don’t know the true safety profile for these vaccines, let alone their potential association with things like autism.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, Steve, you were the one that brought that up. Questions do you have?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think Kelly hit it well. I mean, I’d also like to see him do a safety test with, although I don’t know how you do this, I mean, a safety test when someone gets all 72 vaccines. I mean, I obviously don’t want them at once, but, you know, it’s testing the vaccines, but it’s also testing them over a long period of time to see what happens as they’ve been added. I think there has to also be sort of a rational look at this. I mean, You know, when people say you should have Hep B and a special K vaccine on day one of your life, maybe even before you’re finished with day one of your life. someone’s going to have to not only safety test it but explain why it’s necessary. I mean, it’s just something can be safe but unnecessary. I want both. I want unsafe and I want safe but unnecessary figured out. And then, you know, with all drugs coming onto the market, I think we have to look at that kind of thing. So someone’s got to take control of it and actually act like our lives depend on what they do. I don’t think they take it that way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Which dovetails into my next question, which we’ve talked about some of this in the past. Steve, you and I have probably talked about this a little more than even, you know, Dr. Kelly, you and I and Steve have. And that is, you know, peptide use right now is of the rage. And, you know, lots of folks are getting into it. They’re realizing the benefits of. And in some cases, you know, you have to wonder what’s the FDA going to do or are they going to do anything? You got to believe at some point in time, Dr. Kelly, the big pharma is going to put the kibosh on some of this because it’s If it continues to go the direction that I think, it’s going to cut into their profits because people will be healthier, in my opinion, at the end of the day versus what they are now. If they start eating right, doing the things necessary there, exercising, they won’t be using big pharma, which, by the way, they don’t like.
SPEAKER 03 :
No question. And I think the big realization for people has to be that the FDA has not been paying the kind of attention that you think they have to the things that we eat and ingest. You pick up the package of anything. I don’t care if it’s a Kellogg’s Froot Loops or a loaf of bread, whatever it is, and you turn it over and you read the list of ingredients that’s 18 ingredients long or whatever. We assume that those things have it’s in your food. They must have been tested right by the FDA. And the answer is no wrong.
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OK. They have not been tested. The vast majority of them were never tested. They all slip through this loophole called grass. G.R.A.S. generally regarded as safe. So most things were never tested at all. It’s the same thing with with a large number of the drugs. We’ve said it over and over again about vaccines. But the same thing is happening with peptides. The same thing is happening with many, many supplements that are out there. And the same thing happens with a lot of other drugs, whether it’s something for high blood pressure, something for cholesterol, whatever it is. The idea that Americans have been led to believe that we have this amazing FDA that does everything. It tests everything, and if it gets to the market, it’s because it’s, quote, FDA approved, and somebody’s put their stamp of approval on it and knows that it’s safe. It just isn’t the case. We’ve really had far less testing than we’ve been led to believe, and I do think that the best thing people can do is take more control of your own health, get back to basics, get back to the things that don’t – you don’t need to safety test an apple. OK, you don’t need to safety test a chicken breast. You don’t need to safety test real whole food. We’ve been eating it for centuries and you’re largely OK with it. If we can get away from this constant reliance on drugs, on vaccines, on other things and get back to basics, adequate exercise. You don’t have to. No one needs to safety test a brisk walk. Nobody needs a safety test getting eight hours of sleep. OK, these are things that we know. So stop trying to rely on drugs and other therapeutics because they haven’t largely been tested the way that we’ve been led to believe.
SPEAKER 06 :
And do you think the FDA will start doing more of that, or is it going to be pretty much the same? In fact, the way I’ve seen it over the years, Dr. Kelly, maybe I’m wrong, but I think you could see it even back in the day when the cigarette companies bought food companies and they got the government to change the food pyramid around. It was a pay-to-play scheme, which I think still exists in a large part today, or am I wrong?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, it absolutely still is. There’s no question. I mean, the food pyramid, the new food pyramid, you know, thanks to Bobby Kennedy and Brooke Rollins, is better than the old one. But it’s absolutely still a pay to play. How else do you think whole milk got, you know, on the new food pyramid right at the top? There isn’t a shred of data. that says that that’s a good thing for children to be drinking in bulk, but I guarantee it was a concession from the dairy farmers because when they took cereal, they said, look, everybody shouldn’t be eating Captain Crunch and Fruit Loops for breakfast. The dairy farmers freaked out because they said, well, if kids aren’t eating cereal, what’s going to happen to milk consumption? Right. And so Brooke Rollins and Bobby Kennedy said, don’t you worry, we’ll plunk it right in there at the top of the food pyramid. That was a concession. It wasn’t based on science. It wasn’t based on, you know, good data. And so it continues that way. Will it will the FDA start to do more testing? Hopefully. But think about take one thing, vaccines. In order to actually do the required testing, it will take years, well more than a decade, And they would have to, in the meantime, what are you going to do? You’re still giving these shots to kids, even if it’s at a reduced frequency, you’re still giving them the very things that haven’t yet been tested. So we’re kind of flying blind. And I think it’s going to really rely on people taking more control, coming up with what is their risk tolerance, and whether or not they are willing to roll the dice on some of these things.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep, I can’t disagree with that. Steve, what are your thoughts?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I mean, earlier, I think it was Kelly who said, you know, the vape thing, right? That, you know, Susie Weil said, we can’t take it off the market because we’re going to lose votes. I mean, if you could just somehow get political influence out of healthcare-related decisions from the FDA and the CDC, and all those are involved in healthcare, because the same thing is true with pharmaceuticals and vaccines. I mean, people make a fortune off of vaccines. Doctors make a fortune who are involved in them in the NIH. until we get the politics out of it, we are not going to be safe. It’s that simple. We’re just not safe because they’re not going to do it. I love what Kelly, Kelly should be the FDA commissioner. As far as I’m concerned, she can replace Marty. There’d be a lot of people who quit the first day because she would show them tolerance, tolerance for crap and, you know, not safe things based on political donations and money is just not tolerable. It’s, it’s horrible what’s going on. And we are the ones who are victims of this. And, If it hasn’t hit your family yet, at some point, some crazy thing’s going to happen with a vaccine or something else that hits your family, and you’re going to forever be angry because the damn government did it to you.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, let’s switch gears into maybe something that might be a little bit more positive. Steve, I want to… Start with you, because it’s seldom that you ever see somebody switch. I don’t want to say this. In this case, they switch sides. But Mark Cuban is a absolute Donald Trump hater, has been for the longest time, supported Kamala Harris in the last election, yet gets up on stage with Donald Trump and is praising him for the new Trump RX. What are your thoughts, Steve?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I mean, you know, whether you like Cuban or not, that’s evidence of at least some principles. I mean, I’ve never thought of Cuban as being somebody who wasn’t principled. I don’t always agree with him. In fact, rarely do I. Right. But in reality, he’s talking about lowering the cost of drugs. I mean, this is going back to that whole PBM argument. I was on the phone this morning with the board of directors up in Maine who are wrestling with trying to get rid of their PBM because it’s costing so much money. Mark Cuban’s drive to lower drugs… I mean, on one hand, I want higher adherence to drugs because they’re therapeutic and they make things happen. On the other hand, I’d like to get rid of them because people get healthier. But at the very least, he’s pushing the idea that when people need drugs, they can afford them, there’s adherence, and Trump is doing the same thing. So he’s standing on principle, not on personality, and that’s good.
SPEAKER 06 :
Your thoughts, Dr. Kelly, and then I want your thoughts just on the whole plan itself and what will it actually do at the end.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I agree with that. I think in general, obviously, anything that will help to drive drug costs down is a good thing. That combined with the new HHS initiative to incentivize and actually compensate doctors for, quote, de-prescribing. In other words, you actually can charge for and get compensated for taking the time to get your patients off of medications. Rather than prescribing a new medication, if you can show that you decreased, somebody came in and they were on 12 medications and you got them down to seven, and we’re able to, that is actually something that’s worth doing. And I think that that’s great because we have compensated doctors for doing more, not compensated them for doing less. And there are many patients who would benefit from a real purge of at least 50 percent of the medications that they’re on. Many of them are redundant or many of them. We keep adding a medication to treat the side effects of the other medication when what they really need is to get off everything, start over and see if lifestyle, dietary changes, exercise changes and other things could actually induce the same the same results.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and again, anytime you see and I’m with Steve, I mean, I’m not like Mark Cuban, have respect for him. I think he is a principled individual, even though I don’t agree with his principles and what he stands for in a lot of cases. And I think sometimes he can be a real jerk about it. It is interesting to see somebody in this case switch sides and support somebody that they actually weren’t supporting, which I guess Steve, going back to you, tells me that there must be something here or Cuban wouldn’t be on that side.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think you’ve got to be careful. I think if you sat and had a scotch with him and said, so you support Trump now, he’d say, no, I don’t support Trump. No, he doesn’t. I support Trump Rx, although Trump Rx is very lightweight. I mean, there’s just not very many drugs in there that aren’t already really cheap. I mean, maybe he would go be in a couple of GLP-1s, but I mean, it’s a very lightweight thing. I don’t know why in politics we start with a program, we have a big bang announcement about it, yet we don’t do that much with it. I mean, I wish he had gone into, well, let’s put some specialty drugs in there. Let’s put some stuff that costs $9,000 to my insurer. It should cost $600 and put it in the program. But at the same time, I mean, he’s after a concept that Americans should be able to buy drugs directly from manufacturers at rational prices, bypassing the middleman, which is where all of the money ends up getting spent.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep. I can’t argue that. Dr. Kelly, one thing I wanted to ask you today, and I didn’t preface this on the front side, and I apologize, but I’ve had several questions coming in, and I know we’ve covered this in the past, but they just seem to resurface, and we end up with different listeners at different times and so on. So not everybody hears every single thing that we talk about. And talk to us, and I know you’ve done this in the past, but talk to us about statins and your real thoughts on them, and what do they really do?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, statins are a way to decrease blood cholesterol. Obviously, you know, most people know they get a blood test once in a while and they find out what their cholesterol levels are. There’s, quote, good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. They add together to make your total cholesterol. And Scientists, physicians have thought for a long time that high cholesterol levels were associated with cardiovascular disease, clogging of the arteries that can lead to a heart attack. The data is a lot more nuanced than that. It is not clear at all to me that it’s simply total cholesterol. In fact, many people would argue that cholesterol itself is extraordinarily important for a number of things, for your nerve functioning, as well as for brain health. And that having high cholesterol on its own isn’t necessarily a bad thing if there’s no evidence that it’s clogging up in your arteries. And for many people, it doesn’t. Statins will absolutely decrease the amount of cholesterol in your bloodstream. So when you take the statin, if you get another blood test, your levels will go down. the question is does that actually make any difference is it actually associated with improved health outcomes does it decrease your chance of having a heart attack or a stroke i am a very close good friends and colleagues with dr peter mccullough who is a world-renowned cardiologist He and I happen to disagree on this point. He believes strongly in using statins. I do not. I think there are more downsides than upsides. And I don’t think there’s great data to show that even though they decrease your cholesterol level, that there’s any indication that that actually improves your health outcomes. A not insignificant number of people have bad side effects from statins, primarily muscle aching, joint aching, some sort of debilitating that they just can’t take it. And you can end up with pancreatitis and liver issues from that. I am not a fan of sentence. But again, as I said, there are people who are very well known and who I respect who have a differing opinion. So I think it’s best to take it into consideration what your actual cholesterol level is, what your family history is. And is there evidence that you are actually laying down plaque or cholesterol in your arteries? My own just, you know, full disclosure, my cholesterol is very high. My good cholesterol is almost all of it, however. So it’s all good cholesterol. I have never treated it and don’t intend to because although my total cholesterol is high, it’s represented by good cholesterol. My triglycerides are very low, and I fundamentally consider myself to be at a de minimis risk ever for heart disease as a result.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so the numbers, because some of the folks out there know numbers, some don’t know numbers. I mean, if they get a test and it comes back from the doctor and they’re reading it for themselves, which a lot of cases they can without the doctor even having any input at that point in time, what’s good, what’s bad, and so on, Dr. Kelly?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you’d have to go through each one. But in general, the total cholesterol should be, you know, you want it to be less than 200. Ideally, you want your HDLs to be significantly higher than your LDL, which is the quote, bad cholesterol. HDL is the good one. LDL is the bad one. And what you can do when you get the blood test is every lab has range values where they will tell you what’s high and what’s low but again the total cholesterol by itself doesn’t tell you the whole story you need to know what part of it is good cholesterol what part of it is bad cholesterol and are there associated is there an associated elevation of your triglycerides But more important than any of that, I think, is, as I said, is there evidence that your cholesterol is sticking in bad places? One of the things that’s very easy to do is to get a calcium screening. It’s a very simple scan of your chest that looks at your arteries around your heart that tells whether or not you are laying down calcium. And that reflects how much plaque you have in the arteries in your heart. So you can actually get an idea of whether or not if you have high cholesterol and and it turns out that you actually have a lot of calcium in your arteries, then maybe for that person it makes sense to take a statin because it appears that the cholesterol that they have in their blood may in fact be laying down and clogging up their arteries. Other people who have high cholesterol, like myself, I have a calcium score of zero. There’s zero calcium in my arteries and my heart. None of it is sticking in my arteries and causing blockages. So I think you need to know it’s far more nuanced than simply saying, oh, I have high cholesterol. I should be on Lipitor.
SPEAKER 06 :
Makes sense. Makes sense. Steve, you want to add anything to that?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, first of all, in Kelly’s case, I mean, it’s zero because she doesn’t eat anything that isn’t green and growing out of the ground looking like grass. So you can’t have calcium. The one issue that people get confused with is when you have calcium in your artery and when you have it in the wall of the artery. Because you can get a very high calcium score on a CT scan You know, I mean, under 400 is absolutely required from, you know, a medically cleared, you’re at least reasonably okay. But if you get 2,000, 3,000, and that calcium’s in the wall rather than in the artery itself, that changes the dynamic of your risk for a heart attack. And it gets a little bit more complicated there. I 100% agree on statins. I don’t know anything. If there’s ever been a need for anyone on statins, it’s one of those drugs that was invented that did something that seemed to be good, but there was never any proof that it was really good. So I agree with that. I think Kelly’s objective of getting your HDLs higher than your LDLs, that’s not easy. I mean, there’s very few people who have. I mean, it’s typical. I think for my own cholesterol, my HDLs are like in the high 60s. My total cholesterol around 180, but that puts my LDLs in 130s, something like that. I’m not higher. I don’t eat like she does, but at the same time, it’s also partly genetic. And so, you know, the reality is she’s right. It’s just there’s a few nuances, and the one that gets people going is when they get this calcium score that’s really high, and then the doctor says, oh, come see me in a few weeks. You’re like, what? Am I going to die from a widowmaker? I’ve got this high calcium, but the calcium isn’t actually, you know, it doesn’t come up on a stress test as a big threat, and it really turns out to be in the wrong place or the right place for you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Last question, Dr. Kelly, from the text line, has a doctor ever seen perfect blood work where they don’t find something to complain about?
SPEAKER 03 :
yes occasionally we do uh if you pay us enough no no truly sometimes you you know and that’s why when people ask me do i believe in these scans these whole body scans or some of these things i say no because you will always find something that it doesn’t look quite right So I’m not a big fan of just sort of shotgunning testing. But yes, we do find people who don’t have anything to be concerned about. It’s funny because, as I said, my own cholesterol makes a lot of doctors concerned when they see it. if they’re purists, and then I walk them through it and say, no, no, actually, let’s look at it carefully and see what it really means, particularly in conjunction with the calcium score that’s as low as it can be. So there are people with perfect blood work, but unfortunately not a lot.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. We’ll leave it at that. Guys, as always, thank you. Have a fantastic Memorial Day weekend. I’ll let you sign off first, Steve.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I 100% agree. Have a great holiday, and hopefully your stress will come down after our conversation today.
SPEAKER 06 :
There we go. Dr. Kelly, you as well. Thank you. You have a great Memorial Day weekend also.
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