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Join John Rush on an insightful journey as he unpacks the intricacies of current political friction with guest Britta Horn, newly appointed state chair. Amidst rift and reform, Horn articulates her priorities that aim to redefine and revitalize the Colorado Republican Party. From strategic outreach to revitalizing communication, explore her thoughts on leadership, smart policy drafting, and engagement, all aimed at fostering a more inclusive and unified vision. Perfect for those looking to deepen their understanding of political reform and leadership roles.
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All right. Happy Tuesday. Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Charlie Grimes. How’s Andy today?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, Andy’s feeling fantastic. Awesome.
SPEAKER 03 :
We have lots to do today. We will be interviewing Britta Horn, our new state chair here in the next segment. We’ve got several questions for Britta. And, you know, right now the question is, how do we move forward? Right. Kind of coming out of the, let’s face it, the mess that we have had. And some of you may not look at it that way, but I definitely do. And I don’t want to keep reiterating, but I was… Calling for what happened finally on Saturday, literally almost two years, not quite. About 23 months is about how long I’ve been calling for what happened over the weekend to happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
John, I have lost dozens of longtime friends for my online campaign to remove the Davidians. You know, I keep calling them that. Why? Because they can’t defend the guy that they worship. And I’m sorry. Well, we don’t worship him.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, you do.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, you kind of do. And because you judge everybody’s conservatism based on whether or not they support him. That to me is kind of… But… You know, what happened on Saturday was shocking. And as you know, you and I have been talking off air. We have learned behind the scenes that the Davidians were far, far more fractured than we thought going in. They had the numbers. They could have won this. It was like you were saying yesterday. If they were better led and unified…
SPEAKER 03 :
Strategic, Andy. They have no strategy.
SPEAKER 15 :
They have no strategy. And they insulted each other right out of this race. But also, I want to give some great credit to Britta Horn. She and her team were really reaching out and drumming up votes and reaching out to people who had been alienated. So, you know, that’s a great thing. What we’re going to be talking to her about today, and I think it’s going to interest people, even you folks up in Wyoming, because you’ve been listening to me and John for the last year and a half go on about this. The Colorado Republican Party, was you know, horrible over the last two years. The performance was absolutely horrible. Once again, as I’ve said before, and I’ve run the numbers, we underperformed Trump’s red wave by 60%. We underperformed in every metric. Okay. We did very terribly. And not only because of, I think, you know, poor leadership at the top, but also just all out division. Right. And so I think it’s going to be interesting to hear Britta’s vision going forward on how she’s going to turn that around. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
A great question of the day yesterday. What river is the longest in Europe? That’s the Volga River. It is considered the longest European river flowing for a distance of 2294 miles. It travels the length of Russia in a southerly direction and empties into the Caspian Sea. That’s a long river, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a very long river.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, 2,300 miles roughly.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Long ways. Okay. Today’s impossible question. Which moon of Jupiter has the most liquid water beneath its surface? Which moon of Jupiter has the most liquid water beneath its surface? How would we know that? Yeah, that was going to be the next question. How do they know?
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, I would say Titan. I mean, just because it sounds like that. I just thought it was the biggest. Okay, what do we do? Like ask an alien question? Don’t get me wrong. I’m sure there are good scientific reasons. I just don’t know.
SPEAKER 03 :
I have no idea. That is way, way, way beyond anything that I’ve ever had any interest in.
SPEAKER 15 :
Literally.
SPEAKER 03 :
So nothing that really excites me. So, yes, as I said, we will have Britta Horn on here in just a few minutes. We’ve got several things to discuss with her. And I think we’ll be able to get her for a couple of different segments. And I did not look at Britta’s schedule yesterday to know how many other news stations and things that she may have been on. I really didn’t. pay any attention i figured we’d have her for today it’s what we do i don’t i don’t really worry about what everybody else you all know this i don’t worry about what everybody else is doing we do our own thing here and i feel like we get to the crux of things better than probably most do anyways because frankly andy we understand a little bit more about how some of this stuff works well i’m sorry for us to be patting our backs too much but the simple fact is we kind of led the way on a lot of this
SPEAKER 15 :
And I’m not just saying that. I mean, I’ve been told that by a number of people. We led the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think we did a really good job over the last two years of exposing things that were going on. A lot of you that are on that side talk about how bad financially things were and what they were spending money on and the cleanup that Dave and the crew did and so on. And while there may have been some things that they helped clean up that, frankly, I mean, always need done. I’m never going to criticize somebody for changing around expenditures that – benefit everybody at the end of the day, but then on the same token, turned around and spent gobs and gobs and gobs of money on attorneys and party planners and others that, honestly, I just can’t justify in my mind. So, you know, on one hand, maybe they saved some money, but on the other hand, they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I’m not exaggerating when I say that, on utter nonsense.
SPEAKER 15 :
John, and I’ll do this before we go to break because I don’t want to put this to Britta, okay, just between me and you. I think the worst thing that they did, out of all the things, and there were so many horrible things they did, was they could have held the vote on dave right up or down because the the vote that was ultimately done was declared legal by the courts so they could have done it back in june over four months before the election so well before election season it wouldn’t have disrupted anything but not only did dave delay it all the way into election season by uh occupying the courts but he spent tens of thousands of dollars doing it that should have gone to candidates
SPEAKER 03 :
One last thing I’ll close with as well, and you guys know my standing when it comes to Lauren Boebert and so on. I think Lauren is, by the way, a patriot. I think she does a lot of great things. You look at her voting record in D.C. Do I always agree with the way Lauren does things? No. I’ve talked about that on this program, and if Lauren was here sitting next to me, I would have the same conversation. On the same token, I do have respect for Lauren. I think she’s done a lot of great things for not only us here in Colorado but the party as well. And, folks, this is a huge red flag. When you start seeing the Davidians going after somebody like a Lauren Boebert, and by the way, they still are, that in and of itself should tell you something about how these individuals think.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, after we talk to the new chair, I’m sure you and I are going to be talking about what happens now to the influence of RhinoWatch and the Davidians.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. As soon as Britta calls, we’ll get her on air. Somebody did text in that if the 40 people in Weld County had been allowed to vote instead of being kicked out, which let’s talk about that for a moment because… Nobody was kicked out, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 03 :
That was a situation where Dave Williams, the state party, was trying to overrun the Weld County Assembly, I guess is the best way for me to say that, Andy. They wanted to insert their own PCPs into that group while Weld County already had everything all dialed in, they had everything already voted, everything was signed, sealed, and delivered, and then all of a sudden Dave interjects himself after the fact to say, wait a minute, time out, no, I’m going to do an end around.
SPEAKER 15 :
Am I right in how I said that? Oh, absolutely. But let me tie it up really quick. Okay, here’s the big thing. They did have a number of open positions, PCP positions, okay? And so the state party came in with their recommendations of a flood of people that they wanted in these positions. Here’s the key. They wanted those people approved and in place before the reorganization meeting, not after. And they made it clear. It had to be before that meeting. In other words, they outed themselves and made it very clear. We are putting these people in to affect your vote. That’s when Weld County looked at them and said… Clearly, you’re putting these people in place because you won’t wait. We’ll approve them afterward. Right now, there’s nothing for these people to do. There’s no organizing, no putting together voting rolls.
SPEAKER 03 :
No reason for them to be there right now. The only reason was to change the potential outcome of Saturday’s outcome. That’s all they were looking for.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and had they done that, they would have changed Saturday’s outcome. It meant that much for them to affect. So because they absolutely demanded that their people be put in place before that meeting, that’s why Weld County was totally right in saying, we’re not going to seat these people at all. Obviously, you look at them as ringers.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that’s exactly what was happening. Fair enough. No, Andy, good explanation. That’s exactly what was happening. So, you know, not that I can disagree with what you said in the text message, because you’re right. Although, keep in mind, that was, again, another one of those inside dirty tricks that the state party was using that they’ve done over and over and over again over the past two years. That’s what they were trying to do once again in Well County.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yeah, they did it in my county in Arapahoe. They did it in counties throughout the state. And what they did, and this is why they were able to seize Arapahoe, Jeffco, El Paso and several other counties. They placed people specifically in positions just to vote for their county. people. Right. It’s keeping that inside edge. Right. They mobilized people to get power. Okay. Which you can do, by the way, because we’re run by the caucus assembly system, not by an open system. And they use that for power.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. So before Bretta comes on, Give us a little rundown into, because I said yesterday that I thought that Britta actually won in three rounds, but I wasn’t exactly sure. You and I were texting back and forth. I don’t remember exactly how many rounds that took, so it was two rounds.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I thought it would take three, maybe done in two, but I thought it was probably going to be three. But the surprise was, and here’s the big shocker. The surprise was the fracturing of, I call them the Davidians, okay, the people on that side. What happened is, apparently, and I’ve seen some messages, they were much more at each other’s throats than any of us knew. Right. Okay. And so after the first round, I figured, okay, there would be a split in who endorsed who, but we would still see two or three stay in because there were seven candidates to begin with. I figured, okay, that’ll shrink to three because the third one wants to see, okay, what kind of… you know, leverage will I have for a third vote? In other words, if nobody gets to 50%, now I’ve got two candidates coming to me, promising me things if they get my endorsement. So I figured somebody would play it that way. That’s why I thought it’d be three. Nope. All of them, all five dropped out after the first vote. And here was the shocker. The, um, the Williams supporters, the Davidian candidates, um, basically did not endorse. One of them even endorsed, who I would consider Davidian, even endorsed Britta. Okay? Another one did not endorse at all. There was a total fracturing. Then the other ones came out and endorsed Britta, and one endorsed Laurie Sane.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, in other words… Only one, to my knowledge, endorsed Laurie Sane. Like I’ve said many times, they basically did not stay as organized as they should have.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, and the reason is anger. Look, that group is so full of, I’m just going to say it, type A power, you know, aggressive personalities, okay? And you talk about them all the time, the ones that drive you nuts on Facebook and so forth. The ones who are so aggressive. Everybody’s a rhino. They love rhino watch. They attack anybody they don’t know. Now they hate Lauren Boebert. Right. Okay. These people, when you go after Lauren Boebert, I got news for you, there are some people who support her.
SPEAKER 03 :
They fractured. Actually, there’s quite a few that do.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
And again, those of you listening, I’ve given you my… I think that hurt them. I’ve given you my opinions on some of that over the course of time, and… And, you know, let’s just say this. We’re at a point in time now to where we need to come together, let some of the bygones be bygones and continue to move forward, regardless, figuring out a way to bring people together. And I get it. There’s always going to be that that person or persons where that becomes a very difficult thing to do. Britta joining us now. Britta, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 07 :
Hello, hello, I’m good. How are you?
SPEAKER 03 :
We’re very good. Congratulations, Britta.
SPEAKER 15 :
Congratulations, Britta.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we’ve got a few questions to ask you, but yeah, congratulations are in order. I think it’s a new day in the Colorado GOP moving forward. First things first, I’m just going to throw this out there because I saw this with our last chair. When it comes to communication… Our last chair sort of turned that job over to all sorts of other individuals. You rarely heard from that person unless it was in some sort of an email blast or something along those lines. I had an open-door policy of any chair in the past to come on this program as often as they would like to communicate with all the different people that are out there listening and so on. And the reality is that invitation was never accepted. And on top of that, Britta, rarely did you ever hear the past chair speak openly about you know, to a microphone in any kind of a setting, typically all communication was done through what I would call proxies. And my question for you is, are you going to speak to the masses in the Colorado GOP, the million or so of us that are out there, or are you going to proxy that off to someone else?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, can we hear from you now and then?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, you can hear from me now and then whenever you ask. Absolutely. Come on. Let’s get to the crux of all this. And it will be definitely from us. And when I say us, it’s because it’s a team effort.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
You’re also going to hear from the Vice Chair, Daryl, and you’re going to also hear from the Secretary, Russ.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
We’re all 100% on everything that we’ve already started doing in the last 48 hours.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. All right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead, Andy. Okay, I’ll jump in. Britta, you’re obviously inheriting a very divided party right now here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 03 :
I would go as far as to say, Britta, probably the most divided ever.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, and I know we all want to just say, well, let’s unite and go forward. And by the way, I want that. I do. But I also believe that there are people who are absolutely committed to not uniting. How do you handle that? What’s your game plan?
SPEAKER 07 :
So the game plan is definitely obviously to put out the olive branch first. Let’s have some conversations. Let’s start talking. And if we have to start doing more pieces because they’re just going against everything that we’re moving towards. You know, we can’t we can’t have people swimming upstream when we’re going downstream. Right. So we’re going to have to figure it out. And it’s going to probably be a case by case basis.
SPEAKER 03 :
OK. OK. I like that approach. OK. One other thing, too, and I just had to throw this out there quickly just because I I’m one of those. I know I’m a weirdo, but I watch the FEC report. I look at the spending. I critique that. I did an entire hour this past year on what our current, you know, I should say the past year. A GOP chair and those folks were spending money on and so on. And I’m very concerned about the money end of things. So a couple of questions. One, what do you feel like you’re inheriting as far as the money sides of it go? And B, is there any way we can stop and get some of the money that we have given attorneys on retainer? Can we get that back and put that back into the coffers to help get people elected?
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m going to go with C. We’re going to do everything we can. We haven’t gotten the three-ring binder yet. We haven’t gotten the binder yet. So I don’t know what I’m seeing right now. We’re talking fog. We haven’t been able to see the accounts. I can look at the SEC also, but we have to find all the contracts and see what’s going on with all the contracts and what was already promised or have already been pre-promised. Because last week, all the candidates received two emails from Dave about all the changes and the transition and the things that he’s doing. And that’s all we have.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
We don’t have… You know, we don’t have the details yet. We don’t have our hands on it yet. We’re asking for it and asking for it, and we haven’t received it yet.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, my concern is that the binder is blank. But let me just ask you this. In your opinion, Britta, just your opinion.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he’s got me coughing because he’s got me laughing, so I’m coughing. I got John laughing. It’s what I do. It’s the reason I’m here, Britta.
SPEAKER 15 :
What is the financial state, do you think, of the party right now?
SPEAKER 07 :
I think the financial state, in my opinion, is going to be probably not as rosy as we want it to be. I don’t know of any fundraising that’s been going on. I know the money’s been going out the door, but I don’t know if any money’s been coming in the door. We kind of think there’s not, because so many people across the state that were our big check writers for years, the last two years, they shut those checkbooks, and they were not getting enough money here in Colorado. They were sending it out of state.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. No, some of the reporting that I’ve been watching, as I said, Britta, yeah, you are 100. Those of you listening, trust me, Britta is 100% correct. I’ve watched it myself. And keep in mind, too, for all of you listening, and this is something that I get from time to time, Britta, is people will talk about, well, look at all the money that was raised this past year. Well, any GOP in the nation in a huge presidential election year is going to have extra money coming in regardless of what they do fundraising-wise, correct? Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct. There’s other ways they were getting funding. And I’m not sure I agree with all them, too. There was stuff that was unprecedented two years ago. Remember all the different presidential candidates had to pay to get on the ballot. We’ve never done that before. We never needed to do that before. I think you guys know me from LPR. We were, you know, best class ever, class of 2014, and it’s a class president. And we were the first class as a group to bring in over $100,000 for the next class. So I know how to fundraise. I know where the money is. I know how to get it. But we just, somebody has to do the work.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right. Okay, I got to ask, and now we’re going to keep it pretty positive here, but I got to ask something a little bit controversial. There are some groups like RhinoWatch and some PACs, I won’t name them, who have been benefiting from using the state email listing. Right. In fact, they built their entire business off of the state email listing. Now that they’ve had it, Is there any way that they can be told, I’m sorry, because I’m talking about groups that specifically attack other Republicans using the state Republican email listing. Is there any way they can be removed off that? Are they using it off the database or did they already get it, download it, and now they’ve got it forever?
SPEAKER 07 :
We don’t know because we haven’t had access to these e-mail accounts or access to the website yet. But do you think I – there’s no way in heck – you can know me as a business person. There’s no way in heck anybody should have that except members and team members. They cannot be used for, let’s put air quote, commercial use.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, agree. Agree with you. And again, these will be things I know that you’ll have to deal with as you move forward and what can be done, can’t be done, and so on. And you mentioned one thing when it comes to the website. I have been one that has been, and I’ll just be open about it, I’ve been critical of our current website, what it actually says, the messaging of how we get donations and action and so on. I’m assuming that’s got to be towards the top of the list because as a business person, I look at that and say, wait a minute, that for anybody else that’s out there, an unaffiliated voter and so on, that is typically where they’re going to go first, and it has to be our best foot forward.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely, absolutely. There’s going to be a refresh. We’re going to do some rebranding. You know, we’re going to just figure out what’s best for us to use. And you’re right. If they’re hitting antidote right now, the antidote, it’s going into a bank account that we know nothing about yet. So we definitely have to update that, change that, get all the passwords. And I want it to be more user-friendly. There’s a lot of other platforms that offer a way more user-friendly website look.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, all those pieces. You’re right. We’re seeing all of that because we should be there by now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. All right. Makes total sense. Next question I have, and sorry for all of the, you know, rapid fire. Yeah, I’m sorry, Britta. But, you know, these are all things I’ve had in the back of my mind. It’s like, okay, when this day comes, these are questions that I actually have.
SPEAKER 15 :
Britta, just so you know, we don’t allow you to actually breathe in between these.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, exactly.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. So just, you know, one breath the entire time.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. Okay, from some of the FEC stuff, Britta, and that side has touted how they cleaned up this, they cleaned up that, they cut this expense, they cut that expense, and yet we spent, I say we because I’m a part of the party, we spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on things that I didn’t necessarily agree with, attorney’s fees and so on. And that even includes party planning and all sorts of things along those lines where I look at that and I just think, wait a minute, we’ve got people that I can’t even see have a business in party planning that are receiving you know tens 20 30 40 50 000 for party planning 45 yeah when in fact i can’t even see that they’ve ever been a party planner and i look at some of that and just think man alive if there’s ways to clean things up and do things better and again i’m not an events planner myself although i’ve been involved in a lot of those things and other organizations and things that i’ve done in the past britta and i look at all that and think man alive what a waste of money
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t disagree. We see all those names and we see all that consulting and all the consulting company names that were changed so it’s not in the person’s name. You’re absolutely right. So many of these things, like you said, I do this in the back of my hand for CPAC. I work for them and I do those kind of things. I do it for, you know, when we did the Courage Tour with Lance Walnew. I mean, this is the stuff that we do in normal operations. Right, right. You know what I mean? Like, we don’t need to hire somebody to do it. It’s like… So that’ll change a lot because all of us just do it as part of business.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s part of the model.
SPEAKER 03 :
Makes sense. Makes sense.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hey, Britta, as you know, I put out a post yesterday talking about I think the biggest thing you guys can do to unify us is stop doing all the things that have disunified us. Let me just list a few really quick here. Are you guys going to endorse in primaries?
SPEAKER 1 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, I know these are obvious, but I want people to hear them. I want people to hear them. Are you guys going to… We’re not doing pre-primary. Will you guys help launch a hit site like Rhino Watch that attacks Republicans?
SPEAKER 1 :
No!
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, good! What about an anti-corruption committee? Are you going to use that to go after your personal enemies?
SPEAKER 07 :
Negative, sir.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, I’m not going to go through all of them. Just one more. Let me pick one here. Okay. Will the state party ever, under your watch, campaign against Republican candidates in primaries?
SPEAKER 07 :
Negative, sir. Thank you. No, that’s not our model. That’s not our business. We need to be the machine. I think I’ve been talking to all these different talk shows as well. You know, we want to be that factory. We want to be that machine that produces results of electing more Republicans and growing the party. We have to be that mechanical piece.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. I’ll add one more to what Andy was asking in a moment. You’ve got to ask it just because it’s happened in the past with the past administration. Are you yourself going to run for office and campaign using Colorado GOP dollars?
SPEAKER 07 :
Negative, sir. Please, I can’t do it anymore.
SPEAKER 15 :
Are you sure? Because it really gives you a leg up. Yeah, it sure does.
SPEAKER 07 :
I get a lot of emails already like, are you running for governor? I’m like, no!
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, you know what? And that’s a great segue. So I appreciate you saying that. And I’m going to change breaks around, Brita, so I can respect your time. I know you’ve got… a lot going on just coming into that so we’ll get through this and you don’t have to take a break with us we’ll just keep rolling along here so question i have for you speaking of that there is two in my opinion lots of important races coming up here in the near future but 2026 in colorado we’ve got a senate seat for hickenlooper which i believe by the way can be winnable if done correctly and we’ve got a governor’s race which let’s face it that’s going to be an uphill battle no matter whose chair there’s a lot to do there to get somebody in that really I think, can set the tone, reach across that aisle to the unaffiliated and so on, which we so desperately need. We can try to ignore that, Britta, and say we don’t need those unaffiliated. But the reality is if you’re going to win an election in Colorado, you have to have not only Republicans but the unaffiliated as well, a majority of them voting for us or we don’t win. So given we’ve got two really important elections coming up, what are your thoughts on those?
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, obviously, we learned that this when we right after the election up in Weld County and Adams County, when we had to go cure ballots for a member for Woog, Gonzalez and Evans. And everybody was getting it down for great job down south.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you. And the only reason they got that is because 80 of us got together in spite of the party, and we put together a plan. So when the candidates were sending us that information, we went through all the Republicans really fast. We called them, got the script, got everybody text-secure, and it was all done. Then we got the list of independents, and we’re like, how do we find the right-leaning independents? And so we had to use, you know, call them. And we had to use a different script that was kind of snarky. And it was like, hey, what do you think of Tuesday’s election? You know, isn’t it great that Trump won? And if they hung up on us, we just went to the next one. And so we were able to find those right-leaning independents. And they’re the ones that got us over the line. We need them. We can’t win with 2.2.
SPEAKER 15 :
seven nine percent of republicans who can’t win anything okay now that kind of gets to my next question that’s on affiliated voters as you know there is a lawsuit by the state party to get us out of the open primary and there is also a huge effort to opt out of the open primary now look really quick britta i totally sympathize with those who want out of the open primary it it feels bad to have non-republicans helping choose our candidates right And I get that. Okay, in fact, I voted against open primaries.
SPEAKER 03 :
You and I talked about that numerous times.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. However, there are massive consequences for opting out or suing to get out. What kind of message are we sending to unaffiliated voters? That’s half the state’s voters. I’m worried about this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Over half the state’s voters.
SPEAKER 15 :
What do you think of the efforts going forward? How can we pursue those efforts and not deeply offend half the state’s voters?
SPEAKER 07 :
So the independents, especially the right-leaning independents, are independents for a number of reasons, right? We can’t get, you know, can’t get, maybe we have to put them in a list. And when I first came to Colorado and ended up getting married in 91 to a rancher, he was an independent. And I’m like, why are ranchers independents and farmers? And he’s like, because both sides screw us. And I’m like, okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wait a minute. Ho, ho, ho. You didn’t marry a good red-blooded Republican? Nope. No. My goodness.
SPEAKER 07 :
Independent since the day he could vote. He’s eight years older than me. So anyway, I had a learning curve because, you know, when I grew up in Chicago and went to school in New York and then Washington, D.C. before I got here, we didn’t have independents. So we need them. But they were okay with… 2015, when if they wanted to be a part of the primary, they had to go change their same-day registration to a D or an R. If they’re that passionate about it, it’s no problem. Then they change back or wait to the general. Why can’t we go back to what it was before 108?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the only thing is, look, I agree. I have no problem with the old system. I preferred it. But the simple fact is a big majority of unaffiliated voters did vote for the current system. So we are telling them, get out.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, was it as much as we thought? Is it as much as we need to have a better messaging? Because we already had 250,000 Republicans that didn’t even vote in November. Let alone $300,000 of the independence we needed. I think our messaging isn’t as good as we could be. We can do better on that market.
SPEAKER 03 :
Much better. One of the largest complaints that I have, even with the current administration regarding tariffs and so on, I think we suck at messaging across the board, Britt. If there’s anything that I wish we did everywhere, not only in Colorado on the local level, but nationally, is message better. Something that, by the way, the left has done very well at and we need to get better at.
SPEAKER 07 :
Amen. Amen. And there’s going to be different messaging for different groups. Because we’re finding out now, and I’ve had these conversations with so many people, when you go over to TikTok and you look at them and watching everything that’s going on in Denver, there’s a group of young Democrats in Denver saying, please, let’s turn Denver red. What do we need to do? How can we help? We’re reaching out to them and having coffee with them because they are done. They’re done being Democrats. And right now, didn’t Bennett say it? He’s like, he says that the Democrat Party is toxic right now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, they are. Yeah, we should dovetail into that, by the way. We should. We should take advantage of that.
SPEAKER 15 :
OK, I just got one last question. I got one last question here, Britta. You know, we’re all very impressed with you and we have been for a long time. We’re thrilled you’re the new chair, of course. However, we’re also impressed with your vice chair, Daryl Lee Fallon, and your secretary, Russ Andrews. Hope Scheppelman in the last thing, she basically was the mouthpiece of the leadership. I don’t know. The roles were very strange. How do you see the roles for these two gentlemen? Because they are both very impressive guys.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m very, very extremely excited to have these men at my side. You know, we’re going to do a job really well. We’re going to talk about the same things. But I know they’re going to have their other pieces they want to work on. They’re already talking coalitions. They’re already talking different things that they want to do. And I want them to do that because our coalitions, we need to work in parallel with the coalitions. But we don’t need to be, we’re not an issue activist organization. We are, like I said, the machine. So I just really believe that we’re going to all still go together on the things that are important to us, and they’re going to have some other talking points, and that’s fine. That’s the independence of it all. And I really see it as when we have all the different regional offices, if you realize we’re in three different regions, you know, the southeast, the southwest, and the northwest. So we don’t have to share an office wall. We know how to use Zoom. We can be in these different areas and really help working on the regional pieces that we need to work on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bretta, again, we just want to say congratulations. Thank you for taking time, and you know how to get a hold of me. You are welcome here any time, and if you want to come on even on a routine basis, you know, once a month, once a quarter, every other month, whatever works for you and your schedule, and just communicate to people what’s happening and how they can be more involved and what we can do to, you know, turn the state, you know, red, which, again, we’ve got a very important election coming up here in the next couple of years, less than that now. You are welcome here any time for that purpose.
SPEAKER 07 :
I really appreciate it. I’ll give you my number now so it’s back and forth, and I really appreciate you guys.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, just text me that, and we’ll get her going.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right. And I got a text message in a moment ago and make sure that we’re clear on this. Yes. As of this past Saturday, which would have been the 29th. Right. As of whenever that election was that afternoon, she took over as chair of the Colorado GOP. And somebody asked, well, if she’s now chair, why doesn’t she have all of this stuff? Well, I will give the old. That takes time. Yeah, it takes a little. Although I will say this because it’s just who I am. And I’m sorry, I can say this because of who I am and how I would do things. We had a pretty good idea that there was going to be some sort of a changing of the guard at the Colorado GOP headquarters. Now, who was going to take over? Was it going to be another person that was affiliated with Dave? Was it not? Here’s the bottom line, though. We knew, he knew, I’ll just say this straight up, he knew going into that election on Saturday that there was going to be some sort of a change. He had said that I’m not going to run again, meaning somebody else is going to run and win by the end of Saturday. So had I been him and I had been in charge, I would have already have had everything necessary for whomever wins on Saturday that as of Monday morning, meet me there at 7 o’clock in the morning. And guess what? We’ll go through all of the different things that I’ve got going on. I’ll bring you up to speed on all the different things that are happening. I’ve got the binder ready to go. I’ve got keys to the building. All of that’s done, handled, dialed in. In fact, if you want to meet tomorrow on Sunday, normally that’s the Lord’s Day. So if you don’t want to do that, I get it. But if you want to meet Monday morning, we’ll get right on it and get after it, and off we go. That’s what I, as the previous chair, would have done, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and I do believe it would have been Monday morning, not Sunday. So it would have been yesterday. I will say this, though, as somebody who has taken over. Now it was at the county level, but you still have an office and all that. John, there’s so much.
SPEAKER 03 :
I understand.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now, I walked into a friendly changeover.
SPEAKER 03 :
Andy, you have to remember, I’ve sold businesses. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I’ve been through these sorts of changes. I’m just talking politically. I know, but I’ve been through these changes in the past, and they’re not as difficult as what some would make them seem. It all depends upon how organized are you on the front side of knowing what’s going to be happening.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, but now there is another aspect of it, because what I was leading to was this. I had a very friendly changeover. You know, we had no problem. We got along great with our predecessors in Arapahoe. And, you know, that was all great. And it still took a good week. For us to just understand where everything was and how everything worked and so forth. Understand. However, that is not the case in this case. Obviously, the Dave supporters are absolutely furious. They had a candidate. She was Laurie Sane. Now, they had other candidates. They splintered. They ruptured. They had the numbers to win. They blew it. Okay. But… I think there’s another thing. What if a lot of this information is, quite frankly, being concealed? What if they’re afraid of an audit? I mean, to me, there’s one… And I posted one word, a one-word comment on somebody’s post on this changeover. I said, audit. You know, because I think… I think the biggest reason Dave wanted a like-minded successor is so they wouldn’t be at audit. You avoid that. Right. That’s right. Now they’re going to get totally audited. All the people that were getting all this money before are not going to. They’re going to be tossed. By the way, a lot of grifters overnight are going to lose a ton of money who were not only using the state party email listing, but they were also benefiting heavily from it. their buddies running the state folks i mentioned to britta you know a moment i mean you got to keep in mind our candidates got bupkis right from them they got nothing from the state party and those state party brought in all this money to help the candidates it all went to legal fees and parties and other things yeah and folks that’s a lot of money and hear me out here we’ve got a couple of minutes here so some of you always ask for you know well i want specifics i want names and so on well number one anybody can go through the fec report like i’ve done
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure. I do it on a pretty routine basis. And he knows that because I’ll find things and throw it to him and say, what do you think about such and such?
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re actually pretty fun.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, I find all sorts of things just by digging through there. And it’s all made as public as can be, depending upon what they’re actually reporting. And that’s some of my complaint complaints, by the way, on some things is I don’t think things, you know, because of even what. Britt has said as far as how some things are done contractually and the contractor itself and who’s paying who and all that. Anyways, for example. The party planner by the name of Eric Grossman, who I did a bunch of research on, and I’ve tried to find as many things out about Eric Grossman as I can. He’s from down south, a little dinky town. I can’t remember now the little town.
SPEAKER 15 :
They made a ton of money off the park.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he has made a ton of money off of party planning when everything that I have read, he’s never done this in his past ever. In other words, he doesn’t own an event coordinating company that I’ve ever seen. Because, guys, here’s how this works. And, again, I’m a business coach. So I do know a few things about how some of these things work. If you’re an event planner, you are going to have, number one, a really top-notch website to gain other party planning events that you can now leverage off of and advertise through and, and, and, and, and. And the reality is you find very, very, very little about Eric Grossman and his party planning, his event planning business anywhere at all online. And yet he has received almost, well, I think it’s over 50 grand.
SPEAKER 15 :
uh in party planning dollars since all of this started with dave yeah that’s a lot of money john and you also keep in mind what is it over a hundred thousand that they just gave to lawyers it’s almost 200 when you add it all look at all the money they spent i know i said it earlier but i gotta say it again look at all the money that they spent just to delay the vote on dave all to save his backside okay right
SPEAKER 03 :
So when some of you ask for specifics, there’s one. Just go look up Eric Grossman, event planner, Colorado, and tell me what kind of data, what kind of things you find on Google. And you guys all know how the Internet works. If there’s something out there, it’s easily findable. You can typically find out what somebody does, where they’ve worked, so on and so forth. And I’ve talked about that even with some of the other candidates that ran for chair and some of the concerns that I had with some of them and the lack of information. that’s out there on that end of things when you’re actually going to be now running our state party, and yet there’s no real trail on the media end of things, social media or otherwise, that’s always a red flag to me because it’s like, wait a minute, if you’re as good at what you say you are at doing what you’re now going to be doing and you’re campaigning for, why is there no trail on you? Why can’t I find out what you’ve done in the past to justify me voting for you is my point.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I agree. By the way, another big thing. One big question we didn’t get to because we just had so many, John. We rapid fired. But the lawsuits that they have going right now, the big one that they have going against Eli Bremer and Todd Watkins and oh, by the way, Britta Horn. Right. This lawsuit against them, I would assume, is being dropped. And from what I’m hearing, it probably will be. it almost certainly is going to be dropped.
SPEAKER 03 :
I want to set the record straight on something else that somebody said, is don’t forget KBB had a lot of fraud as well. No, that isn’t true, actually. That’s not true at all.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I haven’t seen proof of that.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s been no proof of that. And by the way, I’m not saying that I’m any kind of a KBB fan. I called her out on all sorts of things when she was chair as well. So believe me, I call it like it is. I do that on an ongoing basis. But what Dave talked about… In what KBB did, there is absolutely no proof in any of the FEC reports as to what Dave accused KBB of. It’s not there. It doesn’t exist. If you want to go look at the FEC reports during that time frame yourself and prove me wrong, more power to you. But it’s not provable as to what he said. A lot of what’s been talked about with KBB from this current administration, frankly, cannot be proven.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, there are two big problems with it, John. Number one, we didn’t see it in the FEC reports, but here’s the biggie. They said she broke the law. It was fraud. Because that’s one of Dave’s supporters, obviously texting, and they’re robo-texting because they do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Or somebody that’s just curious as to what’s going on, one of the two.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, that’s fair. Oh, you know what? Maybe you’re right, and maybe that’s just somebody who’s curious. My apologies. But I know that some of their supporters tend to shoot those things at you. They do. Okay, but here’s the thing. Their supporters absolutely believe that Christy Burton Brown broke the law, committed mass fraud, stole mass amounts of money from the party, and distributed it to her friends. Okay, here’s the question. In two years, why was none of that brought into court?
SPEAKER 03 :
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All right, we’ve got about a minute left here. And one thing I want to add into about the FEC reporting that, again, I look at on a pretty routine basis. I’ll do it on individual campaigns. I’ll do it on the actual party. And make sure that I explain this correctly. I feel like at times certain people at our state level and those that have even been there before say, look at us as constituents, much like the left looks at us. Oh, they’re too dumb to add two plus two together, so they’re never going to figure out what this even is in the first place. But guys, I’m being very honest. I think they’re counting on the fact that… There aren’t people like me out there that will dive into these FEC reports and find out what they actually say. And I’m not trying to exaggerate here by any means, but even though I am not a forensic accountant nor a CPA, I’ve looked at financial statements and things like that long enough, 40-plus years now. to whereby I can pretty much look at anything and tell you, A, this is accurate, or B, this is phony baloney. Right. I’ve just done it long enough to look at those things, and I will tell you that there’s been some real funny business going on at the Colorado State GOP headquarters in payments made to certain individuals and so on, and I’ll stand on that until somebody can prove me otherwise, because the reality is the FEC reports don’t lie. What’s being fed into them might be a lie, but remember, those can be audited on a federal level, and you have to be really careful what you do there. So the reality is those monies in, monies out, while they may not have exact explanations as to what they actually did, it’s very broad and general. Again, the example I gave you of Eric Grossman down south receiving close to 50 grand or more for party planning is just gross negligence on the part of the state GOP in spending money for things they didn’t need to.
SPEAKER 15 :
Do you think Brita’s team is going to audit them? Do you think we’re going to see some stuff?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I would sure hope so. Now, I realize that audits cost money, and that’s something that I’m sure she’ll have to sit down and actually look at and determine whether or not that’s feasible to do, and it may even be something that has to be done after some other monies come in. I will tell you this right now. If there was a push… to raise money for an audit over the past two years, count me in. I’ll donate to that. Absolutely. So, Brett, if you’re still listening, I will donate to that all day long because I think it’s actually very necessary at this point. All right, that’s it for this hour. Hour two and three coming up next. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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