In this episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush and Dr. Kelly Victory delve into the controversial discussion around vaccines and autism. They dissect the recent press conference led by RFK Jr. and its claims regarding acetaminophen and autism, and analyze the historical context and emerging studies surrounding this issue. The conversation unveils inadequately controlled studies and pivots to a broader discussion on the growing vaccine schedule and its implications for public health.
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And welcome, Thursday edition, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory joining me now. Steve House is still out, Dr. Kelly, but welcome. How are you?
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I’m doing fine. It’s been a good week. Beautiful fall weather we’re having.
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We’ll take it. And even with the little bit of rain we had earlier, it’s making everything nice and green. So to your point, we will take it. All right. Lots to talk about today, I guess, as you probably would already have predicted. Let’s talk about what happened this week in regards to RFK Jr. We’ve got some autism stuff. We’ve got Donald Trump talking about Tylenol, which that’s where I wanted to start, Dr. Kelly, because… After reading and looking at a lot of things, at first I thought, you know, is that really a direction that he should go given he’s really not in the medical profession? But when it’s all said and done, was he wrong?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, let’s start with this. It was really touted to be an incredibly important press conference. They built it up and said that they were going to, you know, announce the cause of autism. Um, I just say that I was disappointed, uh, in a bit perplexed is the understatement of century. Uh, it was a bit discombobulated and disorganized. Uh, they dip their toe in the water multiple times about the idea of vaccines, but really focused instead on Tylenol acetaminophen being the cause or a potential significant cause of autism or other neurologic injuries. I think there was so much that was left out of the conference. And again, I was extraordinarily disappointed. We can get into what I believe is actually the truth regarding acetaminophen and what role it plays in neurologic injury in utero or of young children. But suffice to say, I do not believe that they actually hit the nail on the head.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. Well, let’s start with, because I did have in my notes and something that even Charlie and I off air were talking about that we wanted you to cover is not only acetaminophen, but if you’d also cover, you know, ibuprofen, other muscle relaxers, windshield, you know, over the counter stuff for everybody listening. These are all over the counter drugs that you can go down to your local, you know, you know, Walgreens, CVS, whatever, King Soopers even, and buy. And I’d like to know, Charlie and I would, all of those particular over-the-counter drugs, what does each one of them do? Who should or shouldn’t be taking some? And I know this is very generic and general, Dr. Kelly, because you don’t know each person individually, but I do know that there are side effects with each and things we should be careful of.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well for decades, the only one of these drugs that has been approved or recommended for use in pregnant women has been acetaminophen. Aspirin and the non-steroidals, things like ibuprofen or naproxen sodium, are contraindicated and have been for decades in pregnancy. We don’t prescribe them. So Tylenol was the go-to. It’s what we were all taught in medical school. And it’s certainly what it still even says when you look in the physician’s desk reference as recently as yesterday, that is sort of the Bible for physicians for how to dose things, what conditions it can be used for, shouldn’t be used for, contraindications, drug interactions, all those things. It’s a four and a half inch thick Bible that we all use. It gives very, very vague language and says that there are fundamentally no studies that show any ill effects. Now, It turns out that when you look further, and I didn’t try to do this until just Monday, it does not appear that there were any significant studies ever done on acetaminophen and pregnancy.
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Interesting.
SPEAKER 13 :
Or I certainly can’t find them. Yeah, interestingly. So once again, we may have been taught things in medical school that simply weren’t true, but for decades. Now, acetaminophen was first formulated back in, I think, 1887. It did not become… used regularly until the 1950s, but it was used in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s by pregnant women at a time when the incidence of autism was fundamentally zero. Autism was not something that was a significant issue. It was maybe one in 100,000 births back in the 60s. Then, you know, all of a sudden there’s this massive increase in the rates of autism. In 1980, it was 1 in 10,000 births. All of a sudden by, you know, 2000, it’s 1 in 150 births. And now all of a sudden this year, it’s 1 in 30 births. Now that is not simply because, quote, we became better at diagnosing it. Something changed. And what I would submit to you is it isn’t the Tylenol usage. It isn’t acetaminophen usage that changed. The thing to me that changed was the frequency and the number of vaccines that were being given. both to children and to pregnant women. Prior to 25 years ago, prior to the year 2000, we did not really vaccinate pregnant women. It was just something we didn’t do and we didn’t recommend it. All of a sudden in 2000, we start recommending that Pregnant women get everything from hepatitis vaccines to influenza vaccines, RSV, you know, everything in between. And unfortunately, getting a vaccine is one of the most common causes of muscle aches and fever for which a woman who’s pregnant might choose to take the drug that’s recommended for that, which was acetaminophen Tylenol. So I believe that if there is a relationship between acetaminophen and autism, It is. And I suspect that there is some relationship. It is not the Tylenol itself. It’s the timing with the giving of the vaccine. In other words, if a pregnant woman, you know, a healthy pregnant woman falls and breaks her wrist and because she’s pregnant, the only thing she can take is Tylenol or she, you know, burns her hand and, you know, get the sunburn or something and need something. She takes Tylenol. That baby, I do not believe, is at risk of developing autism. It’s when she takes Tylenol to treat the muscle aches and fever, having gotten her flu shot. Likewise, if you take a two-year-old child or a one-year-old child and that baby’s fussy because it’s teething and you give it Tylenol, we don’t have stories of my baby was teething, I gave it Tylenol, and the next thing I knew it wasn’t making eye contact and its behavior changed. It’s when… The parent brings the child home from the doctor’s office after having gotten its MMR vaccine is fussy, gets the Tylenol, and all of a sudden everything changes. So I believe that it is the association between acetaminophen and the giving of the vaccines that really is going to ultimately prove to be the issue. But that is not what they chose to focus on. They kind of danced around it, you know, dip the toe in the water, mentioned vaccines, but then back to Tylenol. and they kept going coming back to acetaminophen and again i’m not saying acetaminophen is not a remarkably safe drug there are far more overdoses and deaths from tylenol every year than there ever were for something like ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine by orders of magnitude you know it is it is not a remarkably safe drug it is metabolized through the liver it changes the metabolism of the liver of many things including glutathione which is critical for brain and neurologic development and function. So I’m not saying at all that there isn’t an association, but I think that it’s a bit of a smokescreen to focus on acetaminophen when the thing that changed when we saw all of a sudden the uptick in the incidence of autism, the thing that changed was the vaccines.
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Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory with me today. If you want to know more about Dr. Kelly, by the way, maybe you’re tuning in for the first time, go to our website, rushtoreason.com, and you can find more information on Dr. Kelly there. There’s an entire page dedicated to her there. Okay, several messages coming in. I’ll get all these answered as we have time. Trust me, we did have a question. I guess Charlie did as much as anybody, Dr. Kelly, because you see this all the time. You see this in drug commercials. What’s an NSAID?
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory. So what that means is that there are drugs that decrease inflammation. The primary drugs that decrease inflammation are steroids, things like prednisone. Prednisone is a steroid. So there are non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, which are things like ibuprofen, otherwise known as Advil, naproxen sodium, known as Aleve. Those are non-steroidals. They are anti-inflammatories. Aspirin also is an anti-inflammatory. And the steroids are clearly anti-inflammatories. In terms of providing analgesia, pain relief, aspirin and Tylenol and the non-steroidals. all do that. Unfortunately, as I said before, the only one that has up until Monday, they’ve been recommended for pregnant women was Tylenol. So as the president, they sort of, as I said, danced around it. Right now, I don’t know what they are suggesting that doctors should really use for pregnant women who need pain relief. You certainly, you know, I wouldn’t choose to go with an opiate, you know, somebody, well, you know, I’m not sure I feel comfortable with a pregnant woman who is, you know, treating her with, you know, codeine or oxycodone for pain. I can’t give ibuprofen. I can’t give one of the NSAIDs. I can’t give aspirin. And if you can’t give or are really reticent now to give Tylenol, it leaves you in a bit of a bind. It’s not reasonable to think that a without ever needing to treat any kind of pain, anything from a toothache to, as I said, a sunburn. So obviously, we don’t ever recommend that pregnant women take anything they don’t need to take. So I’m not, I think we probably have, you know, gotten into a culture where people pop Tylenol, you know, like Tic Tacs as if it’s, you know, a nothing to do it. And that’s not right either, just because you’re running a little low-grade fever, you’ve got a little ache or pain, particularly if you’re pregnant. The better thing to do is just say, you know, I’ll have some hot tea and go to bed and, you know, feel better tomorrow. because all of these medications can impact the fetus. But the idea that we are now going to avoid Tylenol altogether, I think is probably unreasonable. And again, I’m hoping that they will flesh out a little bit more the studies that all of a sudden are coming out of the woodwork. You know, Mayo Clinic’s got one, Harvard’s got one. All of a sudden, it’s really quite remarkable. We’re getting all of this data came out about acetaminophen. But none of the studies controlled when they look back or any of the epidemiologic data, they didn’t control for vaccination status. What was the reason the person took the Tylenol?
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Gotcha.
SPEAKER 13 :
OK, what did they take the Tylenol because they had muscle aches after getting a flu shot? Or did they take the Tylenol because they had a sore throat?
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Right.
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You know, did they take the Tylenol every day or once a week, twice? What was the frequency? Those sorts of things. So the studies were really not, you know, are not well controlled. And I think there’s an awful lot we don’t know. And again, when you talk, if anybody knows. the stories of mothers of autistic children is Robert Kennedy Jr. It was that compelling information that really caused him to found Children’s Health Defense all those years ago. Because mother, and I’m not talking about a handful of mothers, I’m talking about tens of thousands of of parents who said my child was normal was meeting normal milestones was you know learning to crawl was making eye contact totally interactive learning starting verbal skills we went to the doctor got the vaccines that afternoon the child was inconsolable and never made eye contact again Never, okay, it was like flipping a switch. And I didn’t used to believe that. I was one of the people sort of, you know, shrugging my shoulders and saying, you know, these women. Yeah, I did, and I acknowledge it. Until about six years ago, when I started to really listen and be more thoughtful about it, say there is something here. There is clearly something. And when you look at the current vaccine schedule again, we’ve talked about it so many times on this show, John, but people in our age demographic. Back then, people who were born in the 60s and 70s, based on what state you lived in, the recommended number of childhood vaccines, meaning from the day of birth until 18 was somewhere between 6 and 8 total shots. That number is now 84. Wow.
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Amazing. And really quick, I want to ask a question because I saw something on this the other day where, and again, you see memes and different things, and you know me, I kind of take everything with a grain of salt until you do a little bit of research and then figure out, is there really something to this? Now this one, I don’t know that I can disagree with, and what this meme basically said was, Given the fact there’s that many, because it talked about there’s well over 70 that a lot of young kids can get, and the comment basically was, Dr. Kelly, if they didn’t bundle those up and they made you take each one of those individually, would parents still do it? And I think the answer would be a hard no.
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Exactly, because, you know, one of the answers, I think, clearly is to disarticulate them. We know, for example, that the MMR, if it was separated into measles, mumps and rubella and given us three separate shots, three separate visits, that’s what the Japanese did. They got rid of the combined MMR. And when they did and they started giving the shots individually, they saw their autism rates plummet. OK, but as you said, if you now have to do them individually, you would do nothing else during the first six or eight years of your child’s life. But go back to the pediatrician.
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Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
OK. And so they do it for convenience. They bundle them because it, number one, drives compliance.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 13 :
And they have led parents to believe that this is somehow healthy. But I’ve said from the beginning of this, of the pandemic, going all the way back to late 2019, The human immune system is the last great frontier of medicine. It doesn’t always respond the way we think it’s going to. And I’m here to tell you that the human body, the immune system was never meant to be challenged over and over and over again by a foreign protein, which is what is in vaccines. It’s a foreign protein. It’s got all sorts of other things mixed in with it. including we know that some of them still contain mercury. Many of them contain aluminum and other things. And when you’re constantly saying to your immune system, ha, try this one. Now respond to this one. You’re constantly like flogging it with stuff out of the blue. This little baby, day one, barely has taken his first breath on this earth, and you’re jabbing it with hepatitis B and asking its little immune system, respond to this. Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s evil. No, the picture that you’re painting for me is, and I’ll use a sports analogy, it’s sort of like you watch the combine, the NFL combine, and you see these young kids who, by the way, are super athletic, and yet they’re running through a course, let’s call it that, Dr. Kelly, because that’s what it is. And you’ve got a lot of other individuals, coaches, other players potentially. And as the guy’s running down, zigzagging, somebody’s knocking him, you know, trying to knock him down. Then he zigzags the other way and he tries to get knocked down again and back and forth and back and forth. And he’ll do that for 30, 40 yards. What you’re describing is exactly what those guys do in the combine.
SPEAKER 13 :
exactly and so you you already have to think that this newborn baby and children toddlers they’re already being faced with all of the pathogens that are out there in the environment you know whether it’s pollen or rhinovirus or whatever it is you know they’re all these they’re bacteria and viruses and mold and all this stuff that they’re trying to deal with and their immune systems are trying to learn those things and learn how to respond to them and then on top of it Eighty four different times you’re going to jab it with something out of the blue. You know, it’s like their immune systems have no idea which end is up. So the idea, for example, that some children will develop an auto immune response to that’s what autoimmune diseases are. In other words, you get the shot for something. You start to produce antibodies. You’re supposed to produce antibodies to whatever it is, chickenpox, measles, mumps, whatever it is. The immune system at this point can get confused sometimes. All of a sudden it starts forming antibodies against yourself, against your own tissues, which is why you and we have all these kids who have autoimmune related diseases like asthma and peanut allergies and eczema and all of these other food allergies that they didn’t used to have because their poor immune systems are on fire. They’re constantly trying to battle a new foe that’s been injected into their thigh. I mean, it’s just not the way the immune system was made to to react. And most of these things, look, you’re talking to somebody. I had chickenpox, measles and mumps, the diseases, not the vaccines. I had the diseases. So did all of my siblings. And we’re all just fine. OK, so I think we need to be more thoughtful about which are the actual diseases that we’re saying, whoa, we don’t ever want to get that because the, you know, the outcome could be disastrous. The average child is going to, you know, skip right through having, you know, chickenpox or measles or mumps with very, very rare exception is not going to have a bad outcome. And I think the studies would prove that they’re really, other than perhaps polio and tuberculosis, there isn’t a vaccine out there that hasn’t caused more problems than it’s avoided.
SPEAKER 08 :
Question, and again, it’s another chart that I saw, and I always want to question and ask you because, you know, there’s a lot of stuff out there that, by the way, can be doctored up, may not be true. But I saw a map on autism where, you know, it sort of had different colors for different countries and, of course, the highest rates of autism being read. And, of course, the United States is… virtually read, and yet a lot of other countries, most other countries, Dr. Kelly, don’t have the cases we have, and yet they’re not doing some of the same things we’re doing that we’re talking about. Is that in fact true?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, it is true. And, you know, there are many other countries that do not have vaccine mandates, for example. China does. Think of it. China doesn’t have vaccine mandates. The United States does, but China doesn’t. OK, there are many countries that have used vaccines. far, far fewer vaccines than we use, and they space them out very differently than we do. In the United States, we have been led to believe that you are just one vaccine away from remarkably good health, and it’s simply not the case. You cannot vaccinate your way to good health. Good health really comes from having a strong, innate immune system. I’m not saying that every single vaccine… is contraindicated. But I think we are giving vaccines for things that are absolutely ridiculous. There’s no reason to. There’s no reason, frankly, for a male child to ever get a rubella vaccine. Rubella is fundamentally a common cold. So if you could argue to me that if a girl, a woman, a female, gets to childbearing age and hasn’t had rubella yet, that you could justify at the age of 20 or 25, whenever she’s thinking about having children, she’s never had rubella, to take a rubella vaccine because should she contract rubella while she’s pregnant, she could end up inducing a birth defect.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
For boys, there’s not a justification on the planet for a boy to get a rubella vaccine. And that’s a fact. And that doesn’t make me anti-vaccine.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, you just said that she should get one and he shouldn’t. That’s exactly what you just said. Correct.
SPEAKER 13 :
And she should when it comes time for her to think about starting a family.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay? Because there’s no reason when she’s 10 she doesn’t need one.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 13 :
And so push it off. Hopefully, you know, hopefully she’ll end up contracting, you know, rubella, the common cold, and we can easily test for antibodies, you know, before she starts having children. Likewise, there isn’t a justification on this population. plan it for a baby to get a hepatitis B vaccine. If you wonder if the child might get hepatitis B, test the mother. Do a blood test on mom. It’s not that difficult. It’s a simple blood test. Why would you instead inject a baby with a vaccine and induce its poor little brand-new immune system to start going into overdrive. Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Great point. No, great point. And along the lines of, you know, taking things and letting your body work things out and so on, again, whenever these things come up, there’s all sorts of now experts that come out of the woodwork, and sometimes they are and sometimes they’re not. But I was watching a doctor the other night, and he made sense. I mean, again, whether this guy’s right or wrong, I thought I’d ask you to really determine if he is or isn’t. But he was talking about just – Tylenol in general and how a lot of people, to your point, will take them at just the slightest of sniffles or they get a little bit of a fever. And so now they’re taking something. And his point was, you know, that fever is there. And as long as it’s not getting too high, it’s part of what we’re doing in our bodies to expel the things that are going on inside. And sometimes actually taking, quote unquote, a drug to lower the fever may not actually be the right thing to do. What are your thoughts? And is he correct?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I think that’s exactly correct. That’s exactly right. There’s a reason. Likewise, if you take something like diarrhea, there’s a reason you shouldn’t run right out and start taking a drug like Imodium that stops gut motility and stops, you know, you’re trying to expel what’s there that doesn’t want to be there, right? Yeah, let’s get rid of whatever it was that’s causing you this upset. Don’t keep it in. Let’s get rid of it. Same kind of theory. I think we’ve become very soft. We have this entire, you know, two or three generations of people who think you should never have a bit of discomfort. You should never have a cough or a sneeze or a sniffle or a body ache. Sometimes it’s your body’s way of saying, as I said, time to make a cup of tea and climb in bed. OK, drink some extra fluids.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Every single thing doesn’t need to be. I mean, you look at people’s medicine cabinets. They’ve got 75 different cold and flu medications. You know, they’ve got pain medications, you know, up one side and down the other. And just the idea is somehow we are going to medicate our way out of every ill feeling. And it’s really not smart science.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, last question before we take a break that somebody asked is, okay, we talked about Advil or ibuprofen. You talked about Tylenol. We’ll get into maybe some of the other things that coincide with that when we come back from the break. But somebody asked, okay, what are the alternatives? In other words, if these are things that you maybe would want to try to avoid, maybe not at all costs, but let’s just say you want to try to avoid it, minimize what you’re actually popping into your mouth, what are some of the alternatives, even some of the natural things, Dr. Kelly?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, again, that’s what I said. You’re really in a bind because there are a ton of things. I am not a naturopathic expert by any means. You know, there are things, you know, that people try, things like chamomile for sleep, you know, to help relax and sleep, things of that sort. And I think any of those sorts of things are helpful if they work for you. There are teas that are homeopathic things that don’t cause the, you know, liver toxicity and the rest of it, which is wonderful. The primary problem with acetaminophen is liver toxicity, and it decreases the way, as I said, it changes the way that you metabolize certain things. But there certainly aren’t a lot of over-the-counter remedies. I think the bigger issue is that people have got to have a different sort of threshold, if you will, for needing to take something. Even pain medication. Look, when your doctor gives you strong pain medication, I don’t care if you’re getting Vicodin because you’ve got a broken leg. Nobody ever said it was to make you pain-free. It simply was intended to take the edge off enough that you can get through it, that you can get some sleep, that you can get through it. The idea that you are going to eradicate all pain. it’s simply not reasonable and it’s not something that you should even, it’s not even a good goal. You know, you don’t want to eradicate all pain and all fever. It’s there for a reason. Lots of times it’s the pain’s there to tell you to slow down, don’t walk on that leg or don’t do X, Y, or Z until this muscle or joint heals or whatever it is. So unfortunately, I wish I could say that I were a homeopathic expert. I’m not. But there certainly are things out there. Arnica, I believe, is one of the things that a lot of people take for cold and flu if you want a homeopathic thing. But I would recommend that the best thing to do is to stop popping a pill every time you have the slightest ache or pain.
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All right, now that we are back, Dr. Kelly Victory with us. Dr. Kelly, we had a call that came in just a moment ago, an older individual, maybe not real old because I’m getting to that stage myself, but 65 years of age, going to Thailand. Is there anything that they should do, he should do to be prepared for that?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I would recommend that you take… It’s sort of a broad range of medications with you so that you don’t get caught needing something that you don’t have. It’s very simple to get some broad spectrum antibiotics, perhaps some antivirals, medications for pain or nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, those sorts of things. I recommend that everybody put together a travel kit to take those things. You don’t want to be anywhere on the road and certainly not in a foreign country and be beholden to their system, particularly when you might not speak the language or have difficulty know who to trust. So I think the simplest thing to do is just bring, as I said, I recommend antibiotics like amoxicillin and medications for diarrhea and vomiting and those sorts of things that might commonly occur there. You might also bring a few things like Neosporin or some topicals to treat skin wounds or things that might happen. Other than that, go and have a great time. Tylen’s on my bucket list.
SPEAKER 08 :
Awesome. Okay. And by the way, I would like to do that as well. So let’s really quick, somebody also mentioned, and I don’t want to get off on a complete other topic, but I do think this is important to mention because there’s a lot of folks out there listening that has followed us, have followed us, I should say, Dr. Kelly, all the way through the past, you know, five years since COVID. And, you know, everybody out there listening knows where we came in when it came to masks and the mask mandates and all of that. Right now, currently, there are some individuals, some stars, by the way, which why these guys even get any kind of FaceTime is beyond me, like they’re some sort of a medical expert, that are now trying to push mask mandates again. I already know your thoughts, but I still got to give you the floor and let you mention them.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s just insanity. First of all, we know that face masks do virtually nothing to stop the spread of respiratory viruses. They just aren’t effective. And that certainly is not why surgeons wear a face mask. The idea that I really believe this is about, again, about control. This is about people trying to make sure that they keep people in fear and do single because, you know, the face mask was really the talisman. It was the sign of being virtuous and caring about others because you wore a face mask. You were a dutiful little soldier and covered your face in public. There is not a really any rationale from a medical or scientific point to do it. And it causes far more harm than good. The masks harbor bacteria and viruses themselves. They increase the amount of CO2 that you breathe in, particularly for children who don’t have the expiratory force that an adult does. So they trap carbon dioxide bacteria. in the mask and part of what leads to headaches, difficulty focusing, concentrating, insomnia, all of those sorts of things. So frankly, I would ignore those people. I don’t think there’s any scientific evidence behind it. And I’m not exactly sure what epidemic or outbreak they think that they’re preventing or protecting you from.
SPEAKER 08 :
That great question. And again, I already knew where you would be coming from on that, because that’s exactly where I’m coming from. I mean, some of this stuff just gets to be so literally it’s so ridiculous. And some of these, you know, you know, stars or kids to the stars think they’re somehow, some way, some sort of an expert when it comes to health in general, by the way. And frankly, Dr. Kelly, they’re not. I mean, that would be no difference. Well, actually, I shouldn’t say I was going to say there’d be no difference in me going up and testifying. Actually, there is. I know more about it than they do.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. I mean, why in the world, people? I said early on in my frustration of the censorship and the people arguing with me online and elsewhere, I said, I really hope that the next crisis that we face as a nation or as a globe involves something like international markets or commodities pricing, something I know nothing about but will appreciate. incessantly and argue with people who have PhDs in it. You know, there’s a reason why we’re supposed to listen to people who actually have some training in this. I don’t, you know, get out there and pontificate and talk about, you know, what people should do on things, you know, with their finances or anything else. It’s not my area of expertise. And these influencers online Listen, they’ve got a right to speak, and I’m not suggesting that they don’t, but we have a right to ignore them.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. Somebody just said to the Jesse Waters, I guess last night, Charlie mentioned this as well in my ear here earlier, where there’s all sorts of pregnant women now because of what Trump says, popping Tylenol almost like it’s coming out of a pest dispenser, basically saying, you know, he’s not my OB. Is there I mean, are these people really that dumb and are they potentially harming not only themselves, but their baby by doing so, Dr. Kelly?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, and I’ve seen dozens of these TikTok videos of very pregnant women popping Tylenol, essentially out of their disdain for President Trump. I’ll show you, it’s absolute insanity. As I said, Tylenol, regardless of whether or not we have proven an association with autism, the reality is that Tylenol is a serious drug. It can have profound liver toxicity. And the idea of doing something like that, you know, because you’re somehow going to show President Trump, you know, if President Trump said that you shouldn’t drink during pregnancy, would you do a TikTok video of you, you know, downing a bottle of Jack Daniels just to prove it wrong? I mean, it’s just stupid.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s lunacy. It really is.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s lunacy. It’s really a mark of sickness. It’s part of this. Trump derangement syndrome, except in this particular case, you’re affecting an innocent unborn baby.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. A question came in, been taking, I know I’m going to get this wrong, levothyroxine, L-E-V-O-T-H-Y-R-O-X-I-N-E.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, levothyroxine. It’s a thyroid supplement.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yeah. I’ve been taking it for many years. I just read, though, the other day in one of the news publications that it could cause cancer, and those have been taking it for a long time. Is that true?
SPEAKER 13 :
I have not seen any credible studies that indicate that supplement, you know, thyroid hormone is critical to life. Without it, you know, you can get into huge, huge, huge trouble. So obviously you need your thyroid hormone. Many people need to supplement it. There are people who have had their thyroid glands removed because of cancer. There are people who have had it radiated for the same reason. There are people who have developed autoimmune illnesses that have attacked, you know, called Graves’ disease, where they attack their thyroid and have thyroid issues. There are reasons, you know, people develop thyroiditis, inflammation of the thyroid, and therefore need to supplement thyroid going forward. I have not personally seen, when taken as prescribed in the doses that keep your thyroid level where it’s supposed to be, where it would otherwise be kept naturally if you had a functioning thyroid gland, I have not seen any studies that show that it causes cancer.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good to know. So, yeah, to answer both of those questions, going back even to the one where, yes, you guys are mentioning these videos that you’re seeing, and it really is, it’s just, A, it’s unwise. I think the way that I look at it anymore, Dr. Kelly, especially from knowing you over all of these years, it’s just unwise to pop anything, especially in excess. But to your point, if you really don’t need it, you got a mild headache and you can live without it, do you need to really take anything? No, wait and see what happens. Does it get stronger? Does it go away? Maybe you’re dehydrated. There’s all sorts of other things that can come into play as to why you might have that mild headache. So, you know, rather than just popping a pill, wait a little bit and see exactly what happens before you actually take it. do so. And by the way, I think most of us know our bodies well enough to know, is it strong enough? Is this pain strong enough that I actually need something? I had another texter a moment ago that talks about taking Tylenol PM for minor aches and pains and so on, helps him sleep at night and really wanted to know, is that really And I will just give my own testimony as somebody that had a disc removed. I blew my back out when I was in my early 20s because I was dumb as a rock, Dr. Kelly. Sorry, I was. But anyways, after all of those years, I still suffer with a lot of back pain. In fact, I would say that there’s a lot of times where, you know, waking up in the mornings, you know, you’re stiff. You’ve just you. I don’t have a disc in a certain spot in my back. And yes, that’s going to create some pain. There’s scar tissues, other things, as you know, Dr. Kelly, that builds up over time. And the reality is it’s something I’ve learned to live with. And I will say that I won’t really take anything until that pain gets to be an eight or above. If it’s below that, I do my very best to just live with it, even going to bed at night. Is it discomfortable or is it uncomfortable? Yeah, but I think over the years, I’ve just learned to deal with it because I watched other family members. I don’t want to get into great detail, but I watched another family member literally ruin his life by taking too much crap for the same thing. And I think for me, Dr. Kelly, I had the opposite. It was like watching an alcoholic family member. I was the opposite. I didn’t want to be that, so I didn’t. And maybe at times I should to take the edge off, but I won’t because of that.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I agree. And I think if you have a chronic pain condition, the best thing you can do is really go to a pain specialist to look at other ways you can deal with it other than pharmaceuticals. For some people, it’s yoga, meditation, exercise. I have some significant chronic pain issues. I have very, very debilitating arthritis issues. in my hands, and I also have a spine issue. I had the better part of my cervical spine fused when I was in my 30s.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so you know. You know what I’m talking about.
SPEAKER 13 :
I do, I do, and it simply would not be reasonable or a way to live to be on chronic pain medication. So, you know, for me, you know, exercise, yoga, other things.
SPEAKER 08 :
I want to throw this in really quick, too, for a lot of you listening. And one of the things that really has helped me, we talk about on the roundtable, they’re not a sponsor here, but the red light therapy that we talk about on the roundtable that comes out of Canada, that’s very high end units. These are not the hundred dollar units you get off of Canada. Amazon, Dr. Kelly, it’s very high intensity, red light waves. I will tell you that personally, does that work? Yes. The other thing that I use is the TENS unit. I have one of those and that electricity at times just does wonders on the pain. So like you, Dr. Kelly, I’ve learned to try to use other aids that I’m not popping something in and digesting it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, you know, for many people, you know, TENS units are very, very helpful. What the TENS unit does fundamentally if you have muscle or nerve pain is it kind of confuses the nervous system purposely. It sends out micro, micro little electric shocks that sort of dull the nerve, sort of insensitize it or confuse it so that it does for many, many people remarkably take away the pain. I also think that some of the patches can be useful for some people, and at least you’re providing it just to the area where you’re having pain. Some people get huge relief from things like CBD cream. For me, I have to say it did absolutely nothing, but I have patients for whom CBD is like a miracle. They just put it on their hand or their knee or whatever it is, and they just get remarkable results. So I think you are obligated to try anything you can and limit the amount of actual pharmaceuticals that you’re ingesting.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree. I actually found a cream. It’s a Voltaire. It’s sold here, but the – I guess maybe I shouldn’t say this, but – There’s a stronger dosage that’s sold south of the border that I pick up and bring back home, Dr. Kelly, because it’s a higher concentration. And I will tell you that as a topical cream or as a topical ointment, maybe it’s the best way. It’s not a cream. It’s an ointment. It’s clear. But it’s not like mentholatum or Icy Hot or anything along those lines. It’s much better. And it’s topical. And even for I’ve got arthritis in my hands like you do as well. And I will tell you that it helps out immensely. So I like you. I try to do everything I possibly can, not popping a pill.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. And so I think it’s going to be individuals who need very much, as I said, for me, CBD does nothing for others. Me neither. So I think, but the idea, again, to get back to it, it becomes sort of soft as a culture. When I think about what my parents did, what they took, the number of sick days they took, the number of times they didn’t run to the urgent care.
SPEAKER 08 :
There weren’t any, Dr. Kelly. Even when you and I were kids, urgent care didn’t exist.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. I mean, you literally had to have your brains coming out before my mom was taking you to the ER, and even then you’d more likely get a butterfly bandage. I mean, we didn’t run to the doctor for everything. There weren’t urgent cares. You sure as heck didn’t go to the emergency department without something that was really life-threatening. the idea of going for these minor complaints. So I think there’s been a cultural shift, and it’s really been fed, it’s been fomented by big pharma. You cannot turn on the television without seeing, oh, my Lord, commercial after commercial for some condition – I went to medical school. I’ve never heard of half of these. These acronyms I’ve never even heard of. But there’s a drug for it. There’s a shot for it. There’s a pill for it. And you’re just constantly bombarded with this idea that, oh, if you have any problem, we’ve got a solution. We’ve got a pill or a treatment.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that’s what the ads all tell us, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So it’s this constant advertising to people to go get the newest drug or the newest treatment for whatever condition it is you have rather than maybe just being a little bit more cautious, taking some downtime, trying some more natural remedies. and not being such a baby about everything.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and for those of you listening, please, I mean, I understand Dr. Kelly does as well. I understand pain. I understand how that works. I understand how uncomfortable and how much discomfort that can create. I also understand that it can affect the way you sleep and so on, and I get all of that. On the same token, I have learned, like Dr. Kelly, that there are other things that you can do. Sometimes it’s hot water. Sometimes it’s a hot shower. Sometimes it’s a hot tub. Sometimes it’s other things, Dr. Kelly, that you and I have just gone through and mentioned. And I will tell you, sometimes, by the way, one thing that I learned in some physical therapy I did, gosh, a long, long time ago, sometimes it’s exercises, stretching, different things along those lines that can actually make things more comfortable than they would be before. And I do all of that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, absolutely. And again, I think that, you know, physicians and I can’t blame it on physicians because we were incentivized to treat pain as, you know, the sixth vital sign. And doctors, you know, that this is part of what ended up causing the opiate epidemic. Doctors were told, number one, you won’t get reimbursed if you don’t write down on a scale of one to ten, how much pain do you have? And if you are deemed to not have appropriately treated that patient’s pain, which is in the eyes or very subjective based on the patient, then so why do you think doctors started saying, look, you know, I don’t care. Here’s a prescription for 30 Vicodin or 30 whatever it is, rather than giving it out more cautiously. And it certainly contributed to the opioid crisis and people being addicted to opiates. Now we’re seeing the error of that and saying, okay, look, we need to dial it back, educate people about the risks of these things. And to be clear, the only thing, Tylenol, the bottle of Tylenol in your cabinet, isn’t the only thing that contains acetaminophen. Tons of these combination cold and flu things, you know, DayQuil, NyQuil, you know, cough and, you know, cold and flu remedy, including Vicodin, you know, these things, you know, the Percocet, the set in Percocet is acetaminophen. That’s where the set part comes of that drug. So it’s a opiate with acetaminophen. So be cautious if you’re trying to limit the amount of acetaminophen that you’re taking. And I think it probably is wise for everybody to, because it is liver toxic, independent of any relationship potentially to autism, then be aware that it’s not just the bottle of Tylenol there are so many formulations, particularly of cold and flu medications that include it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Dr. Kelly, that’s it for today. The time goes by really fast. Thank you for all of the great information today. We appreciate it greatly. I know our listeners do as well, and I wish you a great rest of your evening, and thank you so much for your time.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thanks, as always. We’ll talk next week.
SPEAKER 08 :
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All right, another great hour with Dr. Kelly Victory. And once again, if you want more information on Dr. Kelly, you may be listening in for the first time. Just go to RushToReason.com. You can find her there. You can also find all of our past episodes every single Thursday for literally the past five years, with the exception of just a few here and there. We have been doing this same hour since that time, and you can go back and find all those episodes as well. All right, Hour 2 is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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