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And happy Thursday, everybody. Welcome, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory with us so far. Steve House will be joining us here in a minute or two. Dr. Kelly, welcome.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thanks for having me, as always. It’s been an interesting week watching these hearings. I’ve been watching as much of him as I can, particularly the one with Robert Kennedy Jr. So I’m hoping we will get into some of that. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
We absolutely will. And of course, for all of you, and I’ll get into this a little bit later, I’ve got a special guest even that’s going to join us to talk about the. American Airlines and the Black Hawk helicopter that crashed last night. Our prayers go out to all the family members of because as we know now, Dr. Kelly, no survivors, which if you were watching any of that last night, you could have pretty much figured that one.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, there’s some pieces of this puzzle that are clearly missing. I was watching it with great interest last night and reviewed multiple, multiple different angles on that collision. It is inexplicable to me. Clearly, the helicopter did not make any maneuvers of any sort to avoid it, despite the fact that they’ve been contacted, apparently. about 30 seconds before the collision by the air traffic control. So something doesn’t add up here. It is absolutely tragic. All 67 people involved, three on the helicopter and 64 on the CRJ, all perished in this tragic event. But there’s a piece of this that’s clearly missing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and again, like I said, everybody listening, stay tuned. After we get done with this hour, I’ve got a special guest that has been in that world in the past and has flown these types of helicopters and so on, a retired lieutenant colonel. So you can imagine some of his experience. We’ll talk to him as we move through the rest of the program. Oh, Steve is with us now as well. Steve House, welcome. How are you, sir? Hi. I am doing well. How are you guys? Doing very well. And it has been definitely an interesting week. So, Dr. Kelly, you said a moment ago and that really where I wanted to start anyways was, you know, the confirmation hearings. And I talked a little bit about this yesterday, you know, letting people know that we would get into this in more detail today. And I guess I’ll just start this way, Dr. Kelly. And, you know, RFK Jr. better than any of the other two of us, myself and Steve. But with what’s gone on and the attacks from his own party, when does he change the D to an R?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think he really has. He has made it very clear that he has left the Democrat Party. He hasn’t said that he is officially now considering himself a Republican, but he clearly has said that he’s no longer a Democrat. He said in in. He has many words that the party is no longer the party that his father and his uncle supported. He’s been a lifelong Democrat, but they have abandoned him. And he went through a litany of reasons why he can no longer, in good conscience, consider himself a Democrat. And he did that back when he decided to withdraw from the presidency, his run for the presidency. So I don’t know if he will actually officially declare that he’s a Republican, but it’s clear where his allegiance lies. He has been very, very loyal to President Trump so far. He’s done a spectacular job, I believe, in handling the ridiculous onslaught of assaults and insults that have come from people in the Senate during these hearings. It is clear that they are not interested in hearing his particular answers or position on anything. They are simply interested in hurling pejoratives. and insulting him, calling him everything from a conspiracy theorist to a climate extremist. They don’t really want to know where he stands on any particular issue.
SPEAKER 04 :
Steve, you have all three of us, given your political background and so on, could most likely back me up on this, but his uncle couldn’t get elected in the Democrat Party today. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you’re not wrong about that at all. The question that we’ve got to ask pretty soon is, so what’s the point of being part of a party? The real answer is it’s because you have political resources that go out there and help you get elected, right? And there’s processes to get on ballots and other things. But anymore, every day something more happens that pushes us away from needing the party’s help because many times the party doesn’t support you because you’re different than whoever’s running the party. So Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, Donald Trump in some respects, You know, they can run their own thing. They don’t need the party anymore to do that. And I think we’re going to start and see, especially with the way media is, I just don’t know how parties are going to exist in the future. What I care about is what do you believe and what are you willing to do? And I frankly believe in Bobby Kennedy’s case. I just walked out of a hospital talking to people who are, you know, strong R’s in a very Republican area. As far as they’re concerned… He needs to save health care. And Bobby said it the other day in this confirmation here. There’s very few people, if anyone, who can do what he needs to do or what needs to be done outside of him. I don’t care if he’s a Democrat, Libertarian, Republican. I want the man to fix health care or it’s going to die. And I think that’s what matters now.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can’t argue any of that. Dr. Kelly, before we get into some of what Steve just said a moment ago, because I do want to dig into some of that on how does he go about doing some of these things, but I also find it ironic, and granted, there’s been a lot of people that have called this out, not networks, of course, but A lot of the other media that, by the way, the current White House and the press secretary are now inviting in to actually be in some of these press secretary briefings and so on, which I found really refreshing when she said that a couple of days ago. But reality, Dr. Kelly, is there’s a lot of folks out in the nontraditional media calling out these folks that are going to these senators that are going after RFK Jr. by basically saying, isn’t it ironic you’re the ones on the biggest dole from Big Pharma?
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, absolutely. I mean, many, many people have called them out. Certainly I have. And you’ve got people like Nicole Shanahan. uh… need our case that right work choice as vp you’re quite okay look we know we’re going to call you out we are going to expose you to millions and millions of dollars certainly people like elizabeth warren bernie sanders and many others to millions and millions of dollars from big pharma over the years and they’re clearly trying to protect their you know ability to feather their nests and to continue to get this money uh… it’s But another thing I was going to point out with regard to your question whether Bobby Kennedy now considers himself to be a Republican, whether he does or doesn’t, the reality is we have people weeing from the Democrat Party. They recognize that the Democrat Party has let them down. They have failed to make life better for anybody. You’ve got not only Bobby Kennedy, but also Tulsi Gabbard. Tulsi sat in Congress as a Democrat. She is a lifelong Democrat. She’s now being confirmed. These are really, as the head of DNI, these are really important cabinet positions, and the fact that they are going to be occupied by people who had been lifelong Democrats who have now seen the light and said, We want to put our time, our talent, and our resources behind Donald Trump and what he stands for. It does not bode well for the future of the Democrat Party.
SPEAKER 04 :
Question for you, Steve, and I do think at the end of the day, and I could be wrong, I think this one’s going to come down to the wire just like Pete’s confirmation was where you may have J.D. Vance being the tiebreaker when it’s all said and done. I do think RFK Jr. will get confirmed, but again, I think it’s going to come down to the wire. Your thoughts?
SPEAKER 03 :
I do. I mean, you know. I haven’t heard – somebody asked me today, what’s the status on Murkowski and Collins because they seem to be the ones that always, you know, we’re worried about. But if McConnell and Graham have already stated they won’t support Kennedy, I mean, I think it’s perilous a little bit for him. But at the same time, I don’t know what the alternative is. I mean, I just don’t think – I kept thinking, who out there other than Bobby Kennedy would do what needs to be done, which is, you know, we’ve been talking about if you do health right – then health care and hospitals especially are going to suffer during the transition because the money is going to be spent on getting people to be healthier. Right. And not just, you know, you know, fixing them when they’re broke. I really believe he’s the only guy that can pull this off. I mean, you know, they say, you know, Caroline Kennedy of there’s 330 million Americans is the only guy we can choose. Well, quite frankly, it may be. So I don’t know if he’ll make it, but if he doesn’t make it because the Republicans don’t allow it, because that’s the only way you can’t make it here, the Republican would have to stop it. If he doesn’t make it, I have a hard time thinking I’m not going to be really, really disappointed in the Republicans and the people like Lindsey Graham who stopped it because it just isn’t the thing to do.
SPEAKER 04 :
If that ends up being the case, Dr. Kelly, have you heard through the grapevine what a second choice is or has that even been discussed? Do you know?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I communicated with Ron Johnson on Tuesday this week, and he acknowledged that he was not certain that they have the votes. But as I said to him, I think there are a number of Democrats who will vote for Bobby Kennedy, people like John Fetterman.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, true. Good point.
SPEAKER 13 :
So I think we have the ability to lose some of these rhinos, as despicable as they are, and I find them absolutely abhorrent, people like Lindsey Graham. who are voting because of their self-interest in continuing to get money from Big Pharma. I agree wholeheartedly with Steve. I have come to believe that Bobby Kennedy is the only person who can fix this because of his unique background and his ability to understand not only the science, but more importantly, the way these things work. He has sued these big companies. He knows how to clean the house. He knows how to really fight for safety and fight for the environment. So he’s got a great pedigree for this. Anybody who votes against him, I can guarantee you, is not voting on the basis of what is best for this country, for our children. and for the health and welfare of American citizens. They’re voting to protect their own interests and their own bank accounts. And they should all be primary.
SPEAKER 03 :
I fully agree. Go ahead, Steve. Hey, John. I mean, I think I’m in the process of writing something about the intersection of health and health care where they’re both sustainable in the future and it’s, you know, financial and all this. But I would also say that the day they turn him down, if they turn him down, is you’re going to see something from me that says the day that health care died. Because unless we embrace health, unless we stop doing what we’re doing, over-regulating health care and allowing big pharma to dominate because people are so sick they have to depend on it, it’ll be the day that health care died. And we’ll have to look at a different strategy going forward. So I think it’s that important.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back on this Thursday edition. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Dr. Kelly Victory, Steve House. If you’re listening to us for the first time, we have been doing this hour on this day pretty religiously. We’ve missed a few here and there, but not many over the course of the past four years, literally since 2020. So if you guys want to know more about what we’ve done during this hour, go back and listen to some of the past episodes, which there’s hundreds of them up. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. And you can find a full page dedicated to Dr. Kelly there as well and her background and all that we have been through literally since COVID and all of the things we’re talking about today. And, Dr. Kelly, back to you. Literally everything we’ve been talking about today has a lot to do with what we’ve been covering over the past four years. And this is where, you know, RFK Jr., for some of his faults, and there are some things he and I do not agree upon, but in general – The things that we have been discussing, he is right there with us across the board and is now literally, I hate to say it this way, but it’s almost like he’s on trial for the things that we’ve been discussing the past four years. Am I wrong in the way I’m saying that?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I think that’s exactly right. And in fact, you know, it was one of the Republicans, Tom Tillis, I believe it was, who asked Kennedy if he was, quote, a conspiracy theorist. And Robert Kennedy, I think, answered correctly. So no, I’ve been called that. I’ve been called that because I said everything from the fact that the shots, quote unquote, vaccines would not stop you from contracting or transmitting COVID, that the masks didn’t work, that social distancing was made up. that there was no rationale for the lockdowns. All of the things that we’ve been saying on this show that Bobby Kennedy was also saying was absolutely pilloried for doing so, was ridiculed and threatened and censored and shut down and called a conspiracy theorist. When it turns out, just like the three of us, we’ve been proven to be 100 percent correct. There’s not a single one of those things that I just rattled off that hasn’t been proven and acknowledged, by the way, by people like Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx and Rochelle Walensky and all of the people who have gotten away scot-free. So people like Bobby Kennedy paid a huge price, just as I did, for the five years of the debacle of COVID. He paid a huge price, and he’s out there still today defending himself that he’s not a conspiracy theorist.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Stephen, during the confirmation hearings, you know, one of the things that he was grilled on to, which I’d like to really just sometimes literally get in the face of some of these senators and literally ask them, you know, you are literally posing questions that. A, will most likely never come up, and B, are the type of questions that literally should go before the Supreme Court to even get answered, because they’re really grilling him, Steve, on things like, hey, there’s a particular state. They’ve got a law against abortion. A woman comes in, and she’s bleeding. She’s in the seventh month of pregnancy, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And at the end of the day, is it correct? And would you, in your particular role— you know, require that state and literally, you know, force them to do things that they may not might not otherwise be doing. And Steve, they give these hypotheticals that, frankly, just aren’t going to exist, in my opinion. And if they did, these are questions that need to go on up the food chain. And then they then they throw things out to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as to. well, you know, you have the force of law behind you. You know, you can actually, you know, quote, unquote, become the policeman in these situations. And he’s coming back with, like, not to my knowledge. And by the way, Steve, not to my knowledge either.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, so a couple of things. There was a lot you said there. Number one, it technically, after the Dobbs decision, if the federal government tried to enforce a specific policy pro-abortion stance on a state, it would be considered unconstitutional. And he said that. Because Dobbs made it, you know, and back to the states, right? Right. So, you know, that’s one thing. And the hypotheticals were a bit crazy, but consider this possibility. If I were writing Bobby’s speech or response to questions… When they ask him the question, not necessarily about the woman who was dying in ED, because I think that doctors would make the right decisions there regardless, but he talked about suing the federal government over COVID vaccines for six-year-olds. And what I wanted to hear him say was, look, guys, you’ve all been concerned about making sure the Republicans know that I am pro-choice. But in reality, I am also pro-life. And the pro-life part of me doesn’t want a six-year-old to get a vaccine that’s going to cause myocarditis or cardiomyopathy or other turbo cancers. So you can consider me pro-life because I’m going to fight like hell to stop that from happening. And I think he probably saved lives by fighting that battle, and they’re still trying to bring him down.
SPEAKER 04 :
Dr. Kelly, again, some of the things they’re throwing at him, I literally just want to get in their face and say, you guys are just a bunch of Evil knuckleheads that are being paid by big pharma. You’re afraid you’re going to lose your payday. So you’re grasping at every straw to try to figure out how to not have this guy be in charge because that will affect your payday. And the questions they’re throwing at him, literally, I mean, it’s a one in a million chance of these things ever happening, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. And some of the questions, for example, about abortion are just preposterous. And I think that the only thing Bobby Kennedy could have done better is to say the legislation has spoken, the Supreme Court has spoken. This is now an issue to the state. I, as the secretary of HHS, will have nothing to do with what decisions are made at the state level about abortion. So next question, please.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
And furthermore, the other thing I would have said.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I think he did pretty well on talking about, you know, he was pressed on, you know, do you have the authority to enforce basically some of these things? And his answer was, well, not to my knowledge. And of course, the senator, you know, she rolls back. Well, yes, you do. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I’m thinking, well, first of all, I doubt that’s ever been used. And second of all, I would question her on the fact that, you know, does he have policing ability in that role? Because I think he answered that correctly and said, you know, I’ve got a huge budget and things like that that I’m in control of, but I didn’t realize I had a police force at my disposal. Because really, he doesn’t, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Correct. And the reality is, as I said at the beginning, these senators were not interested in getting an actual answer to any of this. They are terrified people that he’s going to be confirmed for the reasons we said, because they are going to lose their payday, the gravy train that they’ve been on with big pharma. Elizabeth Warren really played her hand. She tried to get Bobby Kennedy to agree that he would not take money for suing any pharmaceutical companies for a period of four years after is out of his position as secretary of HHS, which is preposterous. First of all, she has no right to ask him to not take money to do work. But on top of that, he rightly pointed out, he said, you are asking me to not sue vaccine manufacturers. And she’s out there, you know, foaming at the mouth saying, no, I’m not asking you to do it. Well, yes, you are, because who in their right mind would try to would sue a vaccine manufacturer and not be paid for it? And if he’s not working, you know, the behest of the federal government, he has every right to do that. She’s terrified that these vaccine manufacturers are going to get shut down. They are all terrified that Bobby Kennedy is going to reverse the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act that has provided blanket liability protection for all of these people. vaccine manufacturers this is terrifying to them likewise and it isn’t just about vaccines and big pharma it’s big ag it’s the fact that we have you know agriculture and the food industry paying these senators for influence the fact that you know how do you get to have your particular product you know in the school lunch program or in the whisk program or the snap program And these senators know that will all go away under a Bobby Kennedy-governed HHS.
SPEAKER 04 :
Steve, I think the other thing that not only they’re worried about, but the big networks are, because, by the way, if he gets confirmed and does what I think he’ll do in regards to ads that are now run on TV, it will have a huge impact upon big networks. They’re already struggling to have any kind of of, how should I say, influence upon the general public. We saw that even in the last election and what the White House just did, the press secretary just did in allowing a lot of non-traditional networks into the briefings and so on. You know, their days are numbered. And if you pull pharma ads, big pharma ads from the network, Steve, those guys are done.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it’s interesting. I was hoping you’d bring this up because there’s another side, as I agree with you, and that’s motivation and incentive. I mean, clearly, Elizabeth Warren and the guys that were on that panel, first of all, were childish and foolish and ridiculous because they didn’t even let him answer questions. And I wanted to have a serious conversation about it in front of the American public. The other thing is they’re getting those questions, and those setups are coming from pharma itself.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
But I wanted to ask you guys, did you notice? I don’t know where you’ve been, what TV you’ve watched this week. Have you noticed the PBM commercials for the last week?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, I have.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I don’t watch a lot of TV, so the little bit that I have. Have you ever seen a PBM? Ever seen one before?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, and I was just going to say, Steve, the little bit of TV that I actually watch, network-type TV, for me to notice that, that means they’re everywhere.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, that’s right. So they’re getting in the game, too, because they know their days are numbered. And, you know, I mean, ultimately, I mean, I don’t know how pharma is going to do what they do. But I do know that if it doesn’t change, just like we talked about, if it doesn’t change, a conspiracy theorist. You know what, John, I already sent your application in for Rush to Reason as an alternative media getting a seat in the White House press briefing room. And I listed you as an alternative conspiracy media just to make sure we had it right.
SPEAKER 04 :
There we go. And, Dr. Kelly, again, Steve’s right. And the other thing that he threw into that with the PBMs, the reality is if Robert Kennedy Jr. gets confirmed, it will be, and I don’t think I’m exaggerating when I say this, it will be the biggest shakeup we have seen in health care probably in my lifetime. Am I correct? Yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, I think you’re absolutely correct. There’s no question. And I think that there’s synergy. It isn’t as a standalone. Yes, he will absolutely shake up every one of the agencies that he oversees, which includes the CDC and the FDA and the NIH. All of those agencies report to him. But there’s a synergy with the fact that with, you know, Kash Patel heading up the FBI and Tulsi Gabbard as DNI and, you know, Pete Hegseth at DOD. There’s a synergy there that is saying we aren’t messing around. There will be not a dime spent on stupid DEI programs. There will not be a dime spent on people who are not willing to work in person, you know, at their desk. whether it’s in Washington or Atlanta or wherever they’re supposed to be. There will not be a dime spent on wasted, stupid research. It is with all of these agencies working in consort. And so I think that Bobby Kennedy’s is critically important because that is such a big part of our national expenditure is health care.
SPEAKER 04 :
Steve, and you’re on the political side of this more so than, you know, Dr. Kelly and I are. When you’re these senators and you’re doing your best to make sure he doesn’t get confirmed, and yet you’ve got RFK Jr.’ ‘s old, you know, VP-elect Nicole Shanahan, who is a billionaire, coming out and saying, guys, you go down this path, I will spend every dime necessary to make sure you are primaried out the next time around. How much weight does that hold, Steve?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I don’t think it holds as much as I’d like it to, and the reason why is most of the people that she’s threatening are in uncompetitive areas. You know, like Elizabeth Warren’s not going to lose in Massachusetts. Bernie’s not going to lose in Vermont. White House is not going to lose in Rhode Island. I mean, it’s hard. I mean, I wish it were true that she could have an impact, but I’m concerned that their war chests are way too big for her money to be a problem.
SPEAKER 04 :
Interesting. And by the way, that’s… I was… I was figuring you’d probably say that, but I was hoping you wouldn’t because I was hoping that there would be an actual legitimate threat there and it would make these folks wake up a little bit. And Dr. Kelly, unfortunately, as Steve said, you’re dealing with old, old, old political money. These folks have become extremely, extremely wealthy doing the things that they’re doing. And to your point earlier, Dr. Kelly, they do not want to give that up. This is a big deal to them because of that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. And so they’re going to fight tooth and nail. I am hopeful. The other thing you need to remember is there is going to be hell to pay on the Republican side if you go against Trump on this vote.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you. No, thank you, Dr. Kelly, for saying if there’s any of them. And Steve, you can chime in after Dr. Kelly. But if there’s any of them that you could probably primary out, it definitely would be on the primary side or it would be on the Republican side, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. I think that they’re the ones who are a real risk. It’s the the Lindsey Graham types. And I don’t know that he was planning on running again, but it’s going to be really unpleasant there in Washington if these guys go up against Trump on this and vote against Bobby Kennedy, who is such a big pick for them. You know, he he folded on Matt Gaetz. That was his one sort of that he was willing to leave behind. But if they vote and do not confirm Bobby Kennedy, God help them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Steve, your thoughts on that? No, I absolutely agree. I mean, do you think that there’s some Democrats who could be vulnerable in one respect? And that is that if. If he does get confirmed and the next couple of years go really well from Kash Patel, from, you know, all the people that we’ve seen, Pete Hegseth, we do see major changes. Then I think that some of the Democrats, maybe not on Elizabeth Warren, but some of them become vulnerable because they kept saying it wouldn’t work. He wouldn’t do the job. He wasn’t right for the job. And it ended up they ended up being wrong. And so at that point, they may be vulnerable, but I agree. I mean, I don’t think you can be a Republican. I don’t know, Murkowski in Alaska, it’s time for her to go anyway. She’s not really a Republican. I also think, I mean, Susan Collins has done some good things over time, but God, these people are in their 70s and 80s. I know Trump is too, but there has to be some turnover and leadership at some point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it’s a little different between being one of them, by the way, that keeps going in perpetuity versus Donald Trump, who will be there, you know, four years. Because, you know, in my opinion, anyways, there’s a big difference between those two and their ages and what they’re going to be doing along those lines. OK, really quick. I got to switch gears because I got a couple of things I want to ask you guys, especially you, Dr. Kelly, in regards to some health things. And Steve, this was a video that you sent out to both Dr. Kelly and I. And question, I guess, Dr. Kelly, is the Marburg virus, which we’re seeing more and more coverage on, I guess would be the best way to say that. Give us your thoughts. I mean, is that the next big thing we need to actually worry about, not in getting sick from, but worrying about it in like a COVID-type situation?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, first of all, I don’t think there’s any reason for people to be particularly concerned at this point about Marburg. It’s been around for many years. It’s in the family of viruses like Ebola. It’s a hemorrhagic fever. has a relatively high mortality rate, and as a result, doesn’t spread very quickly or easily. Whether or not they will use it, I think the question you’re asking is the important one. They are constantly looking for the next thing to drive fear into the population, to control and manipulate people’s behavior, how they travel, whether they work, what they do. And to be able to foist a new vaccine, a new mRNA product on them, because that is always their motivation. So, you know, my bingo card includes Marburg virus, but it also includes Zika and malaria and RSV and bird flu and half a dozen other of these viruses that they could dust off at any time. I am unaware at this juncture, and I think it’s a good thing. It doesn’t mean it’s not happening, but I am unaware that they are doing gain of function research on Marburg, which would be very problematic. Gain of function is any time you take a pathogen, a virus or a bacterium. manipulated in the laboratory to make it either more virulent or more transmissible or more resistant to treatment or anything of that sort. And if they start doing that, which I’m hoping will be shut down quickly, in this new administration, then we could have a problem. But at this point, I think it’s a lot of fear-mongering.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Steve House and Dr. Kelly Victory with us. Dr. Kelly, we’ll start with you. Will, the fact that Trump has literally ordered communications cut off between CDC and WHO, what kind of a positive effect will that have on us at the end of the day?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think it’s very important because one of the things that was done under executive order was Trump leaving, withdrawing the United States from the WHO, something I certainly strongly support for reasons we’ve talked about many times. But you have to remember, there are an awful lot of people currently working at. In agencies like the CDC that do not agree with that, they are, you know, holdovers from the Biden and even the Obama administration. So the last thing we want is during this interim period before Bobby Kennedy or whoever can get in their clean house. at the CDC. You don’t want people going ahead and sharing with their colleagues at the WHO things that we’ve been working on or continuing to have communication, continuing to collaborate on things. So I think it was very important to say, we’re withdrawing from the WHO. Oh, and by the way, you are no longer to work with them, whoever you are at the CDC or the NIH or wherever else.
SPEAKER 04 :
Interesting. Steve, your thoughts. And, you know, you get to hear some more of probably the inside admin end of things. And what’s the scuttlebutt there?
SPEAKER 03 :
So first of all, laying people off in the federal government or getting rid of them is difficult at the very least. I mean, it’s just not a simple thing to do. Right. I think it’ll take time. But I want to go back to Marburg for one quick second and say, look, you don’t need gain of function for Marburg to be a problem in the United States. What you need is somebody who has the will to infect five people, 10 people, you know, in a small area or even over a broader area. And then you need the TV news to show them what hemorrhagic fever looks like. People will be scared to death. Do I really think there’s people inside this government that would do something like that? We got turbo cancers, a COVID vaccine they knew wouldn’t work. I’m not sure. So I’m still worried about Marburg.
SPEAKER 04 :
OK. All right. Your thoughts on the CDC and, you know, Trump basically putting a moratorium there to where they are not to communicate with the WHO, which I talked about the other day. I mean, the reality, Steve, is without the U.S., the U.N. and the WHO, either one exists because they can’t fund themselves without us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that, and by the way, what do you mean they can’t communicate with them? The WHO, everything they do is basically public. They can’t do the private communications for sure. I would just as soon shut it down. I agree with Trump. Don’t let them communicate. Put that off limits so that we can control our own destiny and our own narrative, period.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, because reality, Dr. Kelly, and I get lots of things that come my way when it comes to the WHO, and I know in some cases it’s probably a little out there, and some of it I have to kind of wonder, is this really what’s going on? Although, I say all that to say this, one of the most evil organizations on planet Earth, if you ask me.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, no, the WHO is absolutely corrupt. I thought you were talking about the CDC.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no, no, WHO.
SPEAKER 13 :
The WHO is the long arm of the Chinese Communist Party. They have nothing to do with health and wellness. They’re concerned with world dominance and control. The head of the WHO, Dr. Tedros, was handpicked by the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, to run that. And the WHO is nothing more than their long arm. President Trump, under his first administration, tried to get us out of it. We got reentered under the Biden administration, and it’s taken us nowhere good. They are hand in glove with the World Economic Forum. with the world elites like Bill Gates and Soros and other really bad actors, Klaus Schwab. And we’ve got to disentangle ourselves from it. The idea that we are spending any monies funding the WHO is absolute insanity. They do not have our best interests in mind.
SPEAKER 04 :
Agreed. Steve, back to you talking earlier about the federal workers being really, government workers being really hard to fire. And by the way, you are correct. I believe it’s also why Donald Trump put out, if you would, a carrot where, hey, if you guys want to take this buyout, here you go. We’ll get rid of you that way. On the same token, you’ve got somebody like the USDA inspector general that had to get escorted out of her office because she didn’t believe, in fact, she could be fired. I mean, all I can think of, Steve, in that particular case is all-out arrogance where you think you can do nothing wrong and stay in your job indefinitely.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, first and foremost, you got to think about this, right? So Trump puts that out there, puts a carrot out there. And one of the U.S. senators in one of the hearings I listened to said, for all of you who have heard this from the president, just say no. Basically telling him, even though it might be in the best interest of the American people to have these jobs cut and the costs reduced, no, don’t say yes. I mean, you shouldn’t say yes to this. You should keep going and fight for more money from the taxpayers. You know, that’s one thing. I just think you’re right that the arrogance is so ridiculous at that level. They want constituents, and they also want a bureaucracy that supports them. It’s that simple.
SPEAKER 04 :
And, Dr. Kelly, you’ve been around some of this to know exactly what we’re talking about. You’ve seen, you’ve met some of these people, talked to some of these people where, to Steve’s point a moment ago, literally, it is absolute arrogance. They think that they are literally above everyone, including the people that are actually writing their check, those of us that are taxpayers, by the way. They literally think they’re above the law.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. And I think people need to really understand just how inefficient our government is. There’s a reason why our taxes are insane and we have the kind of debt that we have. And it’s because we have this unbelievably bloated government full of arrogant people who do essentially nothing and live off of nothing. The taxpayers, they’re living off of the people who are working at Waffle House and working construction jobs and paying their taxes dutifully every year so that some person can live in a paneled office or work in a paneled office in Washington and do nothing. They do think they’re above the law. One of the senators asked Bobby Kennedy was aghast. that Bobby Kennedy was talking about cutting out 600 jobs from the CDC. And this, I can’t remember who it was, said over and over again, 600 jobs, 600 employees of the CDC who are looking after our health and welfare. And Bobby Kennedy said, 600. Do you know how many people work at the CDC?
SPEAKER 1 :
91,000.
SPEAKER 13 :
Wow. There are 91,000 jobs. People who work at the CDC, I think we can get rid of 600 of them without feeling any worse for wear.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I know I’m not in that world. I don’t know exactly every little thing they do and so on. But, Steve, I’ve got to believe that out of 91,000, I think that you and I could sit down and probably trim half of them, or am I wrong?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, it’s like we talked about last week, which agencies… need to exist is dependent upon what you believe they should do. Tulsi Gabbard talked today about the fact that the office of the DNI is 3,000 people. When it was originally conceived as an agency that was a go-between between the other 18 intelligence agencies, it was an agency that needed 25 people, 100 people. How the heck did it get to $3,000?
SPEAKER 04 :
Unreal.
SPEAKER 03 :
It got to $3,000 because they just keep getting more budget and they keep hiring more people.
SPEAKER 04 :
And yet at the end of the day, Dr. Kelly, they’re not doing anything for the average person’s health in America. Am I correct in saying it that way?
SPEAKER 13 :
Correct. Let’s look at, okay, you’ve got 91,000 people who work at the CDC, yet they haven’t reviewed one autopsy report yet for somebody who died from a COVID vaccine. Not one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Not one.
SPEAKER 13 :
They haven’t reviewed the VAERS data. This is their job. You cut 91,000. If you can’t run the CDC in this country with 20,000 people, I would cut it down by three-fourths. If you can’t do it with 20,000 people, you are doing something very, very wrong.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I cannot. As you guys know, I can’t argue that at all. Steve, you know, in the private sector, what government gets by doing, you’d never be able to do in the private sector, even at some of the largest companies out there. Am I right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I’d ask a couple of real simple questions. Number one, are you aware of the fact that 90% of the healthcare dollar is spent on chronic disease and mental health issues? Yes. Number two, how have the outcomes in those categories improved since we have 91,000 people who are working on the center or for the Center for Disease Control? If we’re controlling disease, how are we doing it with 90% of the largest health care spend in the world by more than double per capita. What are you doing at that agency?
SPEAKER 04 :
Dr. Kelly and Steve, both are to Kelly. I’ll let you finish up. Reality is a lot of nothing and or nefarious things against the American public.
SPEAKER 13 :
100%. I think they have not been good stewards of our tax dollars, and they certainly have not come through in their jobs to improve the health and wellness of Americans. Bobby Kennedy pointed out multiple times, just again with COVID, we have 4.2% of the world’s population, yet we had 16% of all the deaths from COVID-19. in the wealthiest country in the world. Something’s very, very wrong, and the agencies that are being paid for by our tax dollars have failed. They are an absolute failure. They need to clear house.
SPEAKER 04 :
Agreed. Well, we will see, and I’ll let you guys go. We’ll see how things go as far as the confirmation goes. For all of you listening, please keep praying. We need this to happen. For all the reasons we’ve just talked about for the past, I don’t know, 50-plus minutes or so, Dr. Kelly, I will let you go first. Thank you very much. And I’m sure we will be communicating off air about what happens next.
SPEAKER 13 :
Sounds great.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks, Dr. Kelly. Steve, you as well. Thank you so much for all of your insight. And yeah, like I just told Dr. Kelly, we’ll see what happens next.
SPEAKER 03 :
The war did not end on November 4th or whatever the election day was. The war is not over, guys. You’ve got to stay in the fight. You’ve got to let senators and congressmen know we need these people leading. It’s time.
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