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Today’s discussion takes a sharp focus on the alarming conditions of city infrastructures with a particular emphasis on Los Angeles. Dr. Kelly Victory recounts her recent visit, shedding light on the city’s plight and the need for new leadership. As federal funding streams come under scrutiny, Steve House weighs in on the critical need for cities to meet certain quality-of-life criteria. The episode continues with a pragmatic look at potential political contenders and vaccine mandates that have stirred national conversations. As always, listeners are encouraged to engage and share their thoughts with the panel.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, welcome. Happy Thursday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us now. Welcome, Dr. Kelly. How are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, I’m great. I’m back from a five-day business trip to Los Angeles and fully reminded of why I would never live in Los Angeles. What a truly dismal place to be. The homelessness, the infrastructure is broken down. There’s trash on the streets. It truly looks more akin to a third-world country. Very, very disappointing. Fortunately, I was staying at a nice hotel, but the reality is it has gone the way of much of California and is in desperate need. We are in desperate need of new leadership in the state.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow. Steve House, welcome as well. Appreciate you joining us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you know, I was going to say in regards to Los Angeles, I mean, I wonder what the funding structures we use, if there shouldn’t be a time where we say to qualify as an American city, you must have a certain set of criteria and the basic criteria I would put, but they would not qualify along with other cities.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and I think, Steve, you might be on to something because the federal funding that happens in a lot of different cities, states, and other areas, yeah, I think we should, in a lot of cases, put some strings to that money that’s going to those places. For example, if you’re a state that allows sanctuary cities inside of it, if you’re a governor that allows that, then you know what? No federal funding for roads, bridges, whatever. I mean, there’s all sorts of ways to make the power of the purse work here.
SPEAKER 03 :
If you think about it, why do taxpayers pay taxes that end up in the hands of city governments? And the answer is quality of life for the citizens, in part, who pay taxes. They pay city taxes, but they’re also probably paying federal and state taxes. But you want quality of life. You want safety. You want education to be effective. You want health care to be effective. You’re subsidizing everything from Medicare to the police and education. If you don’t qualify as providing that, then why would anyone give you money?
SPEAKER 15 :
Dr. Kelly, I can’t argue with anything Steve’s saying. I know that wasn’t necessarily our main focus for today but I can’t argue with that.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I agree. And why in the world people would vote for that? I spent half of my time in California after being up in Los Angeles for a prolonged period. I’m thinking why, you know, when these people vote, who is it who is voting for continuing this level of leadership? Because they have let everybody down. As I said, it is more akin to a third world country. There’s trash on the streets, homeless people, you know, people who are floridly psychotic, mental health issues abound. You’re afraid to walk, you know, literally around the corner to the Starbucks from the hotel for fear of being assaulted. I mean, this is not what I expect. And, you know, the idea that these people get voted in year after year or that Gavin Newsom would even be considering a run for the White House. After the horrific job he has delivered in his own state, it’s just unbelievable.
SPEAKER 15 :
He was, you know, and this is another, you know, another conversation, maybe for another day, we can probably brush up on it now. Steve, I’ll throw this to you. I see Gavin and maybe I’m wrong, but I see him being a pretty good contender for the Democrat side in 2028. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you’re not wrong. I mean, I think that if you do the math, right, I mean, Gavin probably gets to the 35, 36 percent of the base. That is far left. That is, you know, very, very liberal socialist in nature. You don’t have to get 50 percent. You just have to get a vote or two more than the person closest to you. And if you pick up 36 percent, you know, you’re probably that’s more than a third in any competitive race. You have a potential to win there. And, you know, it’s got to be something different. Going back to the original subject, I had a black pastor from Colorado I’ve known for years who said today he worries about Musk because he believes what they’re going to do is terminate enough federal employees that they have to shut down agencies and then private organizations will take them over and make them work for a profit. And I was like, wow, what a great idea. And he was dumbfounded that I said that because I thought, you know, in some cases, you know, that may be true. Gavin Newsom may be a contender because, you know, he’s tall, he’s a good-looking guy, he’s fairly articulate, and he gets the base. So he may be that. But, boy, we sure do need to hold him to some level of responsibility for exactly what’s going to happen under his watch.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, really quick, I’ve got to go back to your comment about the black pastor. I’m confused. Why would— Current federal organizations that might be reorganized, even made private, and they now have to make a profit, what am I missing here? Is that a problem?
SPEAKER 03 :
It is for the liberal side because the liberal side believes, and this guy’s actually a conservative, but this is what he’s getting from constituents. I think people think on the liberal side that the government, like we said, it’s not Trump being king. It’s stopping the federal government from thinking it’s God. I mean, they believe that the government is the only place that they can get what they deserve. And that’s the difference between being conservative and liberal. I mean, we want small government leaving us alone and they want government that equalizes the world in their opinion. They think the government has to run it and that all billionaires and millionaires and business owners are crooked.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I hate to tell them or break the news to them that they are sorely wrong in their thought process. A, that’s not the proper role of government, and B, that’s not what all businesses do. Yes, I get it. There is some corruption in all forms of things that happen. Dr. Kelly, you know that from the medical side. Steve, you know that from the medical and also the political side and so on. And where there’s men and women involved, yes, there will be things that go awry because that’s the nature of who… men are but at the end of the day dr kelly that is not the norm when it comes to these things and i do believe there’s a lot of great businesses that do a lot of great work they are out there to make things uh well and do a great job for their customers for the consumers at the end of the day and no not every bat not every business is a big bad business
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No, I agree with that. There certainly are many. Take a chain company like Hobby Lobby or Chick-fil-A or In-N-Out Burger, companies that treat their employees very, very well, that have a strong basis in faith, that are not open on Christmas and Thanksgiving because they feel those are family holidays and no one should be asked to work and be away from their families on those days. People who have a strict uniform code, for example. like In-N-Out Burger does, companies that change with the trends in order to keep up with health standards. In-N-Out Burger is now going to use beef tallow, for example, for its fries rather than seed oils. So lots of examples of people doing the right thing. But I think, unfortunately, those are more the exception. Those are the standouts that I think Steve is largely right that the larger companies really they dance to the tune of their investors, whether it’s moral or ethical or not. We saw during the pandemic, certainly, you know, the big box stores, Walmart and chain stores were able to stay open while the mom and pop shops were largely shut down and took it on the chin as a result. The vast majority of small businesses that were closed during COVID did not reopen and will never reopen, tragically. So I think there is a disconnect here. Back to the Gavin Newsom thing. Unfortunately, I do believe he’s going to be the heir apparent for the Democrat nomination going forward in the next election. Let’s just hope it’s not Kamala Harris. I don’t think I could tolerate another campaign season of that cackling idiot. So at least Gavin Newsom is reasonable to look at, as dumb and as horrible as his policies are. At least he’d be reasonable to listen to.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right. That’s a great job. Go ahead, Steve. Go ahead. Jump in.
SPEAKER 03 :
Just one quick comment. Apparently, based on some stuff we heard this week, the election in 2028 will have – VP candidates Donald Trump and Barack Obama with whoever’s running for president on each ticket. That’s the way it sounds.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I’m not one that believes any of that stuff, as you guys know. And there’s a lot of folks out there that are spreading some of those things around, and yeah, I don’t see either one of them doing that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Trump made a comment about it, which salted that or seasoned that for discussion. But I thought, wouldn’t that be crazy if you had J.D. Vance with Trump as a VP and then on the other side, Tim Walz with Obama as a VP or Gavin Newsom?
SPEAKER 15 :
And for a lot of folks that are listening, while that sounds, I guess, plausible maybe to some degree, guys, the reality is no, that’s not reality. Typically presidents would not. And the premise being the president now and Obama being a past president, they would run for VP knowing that the current president at that time could step down. They then could become president, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, as you know, Steve, those are great fallacies, but they’re not going to happen.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it shouldn’t happen. There’s just no way that should happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
Great.
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I agree.
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All right. We’ll take a quick timeout. We’ll come back. Lots to cover today. If you’ve got a question for us, by the way, please send us a text message, 307-282-22. If you want to know more about Dr. Kelly, Victory especially, go to our website, RushToReason.com. Whole page there dedicated to her. We’ll be right back. Affordable interest mortgages next. Kurt Rogers, he knows mortgages like Dr. Kelly knows everything. really medically speaking, including COVID vaccines and so on. We’ll get into some of that today as well. But give Kurt a call today, 720-895-0500.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Dr. Kelly Victory, Steve House with us. Okay, Dr. Kelly, Steve, start with you, Dr. Kelly. Steve sent something out earlier this week that I thought we could make a topic of today because these are things that I occasionally get questions on. And we, you know, sometimes answer these, sometimes we don’t. It just depends on what we’ve got going on that particular day. But there was a… I guess you could say that was on Joe Rogan’s podcast talking about placentas in women that had been vaccinated while they were pregnant. They no longer have any stem cells left in them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. I’ve not seen the study. I heard this report by the person on Rogan’s show. I have not seen these studies actually proving that or come to any conclusion about the placenta. the mechanism by which that may happen. Um, I can tell you there’s a host, a laundry list of problems. with giving the vaccines to pregnant women. We know that women had difficulty conceiving in the first place. It was difficult keeping the placentas attached. There’s a problem with an overlap between a protein that’s in the placenta and the antibodies to COVID getting confused. And rather than attacking the COVID virus, attacking the placenta itself. We have lots and lots of examples of placentas that had blood clots within them. huge blood clots that would therefore cut off blood flow and oxygen to the baby and on and on and on this new revelation that there was a lack of stem cells they said i’ve heard the report but i’ve not seen the study validating it and have not come up myself yet with a credible theory for how that might have happened steve may know more steve you got comment on that
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you know, I haven’t read the study either. I believe in the person who mentioned it. I think this was Suzanne Humphries, right? Yes. Kelly, and she’s a bright lady. She does a lot of research. She cites a lot of stuff. My immediate thought was, You know, spike proteins have been destructive in a lot of ways. I mean, we know about IgG4 and turbo cancers and everything else. Killing stem cells wouldn’t surprise me, that’s for sure. And the fact that she quoted it makes it interesting because… this research study from the basics I read about it, which I didn’t go into depth, where they just don’t find the common stem cells they’re used to in a placenta for people who’ve been vaccinated while they were pregnant. If that’s actually true, that really sets us back on doing research and having the stem cells available for that. I mean, we’ve been using them for lots of things. People have been saving placentas in case they needed them down the road when they had cancer and they needed, you know, treatment and therapy. Now, if that’s the case, they don’t have any stem cells in them. That becomes a useless exercise as well. Interesting.
SPEAKER 15 :
Another good question that came in just now, Dr. Kelly. And again, this is one we’ve talked about in the past, but I don’t think we’ve talked about this recently. So this question is for Dr. Kelly. Steve House Roe v. Wade decision made decades ago was wrong, finally reversed. Do you believe the Supreme Court ruling? that only health workers could be mandated to be vaccinated was also wrong. Has there been any thought or talk of anybody taking action to bring that decision back to the Supreme Court, basically forcing our health care workers to take a vaccination that they did not want that was wrong? And is that ever going to be corrected?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I think there are lots of attacks against that or approaches to getting that reversed. I think that fundamentally, I believe that vaccine mandates are going to go away entirely. That certainly is my hope and certainly something that’s being discussed openly. The idea that people should have the option to get vaccinated, that vaccines, given the fact that there’s always a risk benefit calculation that goes on there. that they are never 100% effective, and they are certainly never 100% safe, and therefore you cannot mandate someone to participate in something where there is risk that they are not willing to take. So I think that it will get reversed, not just with health care workers, but potentially even with the military, certainly in schools and elsewhere. In the meantime, it’s a matter of sort of biding your time. People ask me on a daily basis, what do I do if my kids are required to have these vaccines to go to school? You know, my answer is buy yourself as much time as you can. Keep fighting it. Keep pushing back. Keep asking for exemptions, personal exemptions, religious exemptions, you know, medical exemptions, because I do believe that ultimately it will be reversed in the same way as, you know, I had friends who got vaccinated, didn’t want to be because they said, well, you know, I need to in order to travel or whatever. And I kept, you know, you know, begging them, don’t do it. Just wait. I promise you these vaccine mandates will go away. You know, and sure enough, here we are, you know, sitting in 2025 and they are in fact gone. It was just a matter of biding your time, even if that was uncomfortable, meant I couldn’t travel, I didn’t go on vacation, I never left the country, didn’t attend a lot of sports and music events. But it was worth it because I was right. I bided my time, and the mandates went away.
SPEAKER 15 :
Steve, are you hearing anything internally where there might be things happening along those lines, or is this another one of those where we’ll just have to wait and see?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I mean, I do think she’s right. I mean, I think HHS and Bobby Kennedy will ultimately – stop the mandates the question is what about harm i mean you know the liability for vaccines of course was resolved years ago by the congress in a way that was just not proper but will these guys ever get some you know you know some restitution for what happened to them and it’s hard to say i mean at the same time that that you know placental stem cell study comes out you know the nihr which is the national institute of health and research publishes the study in late february of this year that pregnant women should get COVID-19 vaccines because it stops blood pressure disorders, it reduces birth by cesarean section, and it helps their newborns not need intensive care. Now, I don’t know if any of that’s actually true and where that came from, but they don’t even have any mention about what’s happening. So there’ll be a fight over this for years to come just to be able to avoid liability. So I don’t have hopes that Anything other than a stop in the mandate will happen. I don’t think people who got harmed by it will probably ever see any money because they’ll continue to have papers like this published that place doubt in it.
SPEAKER 05 :
I concur 100%, Steve. And the tragedy of it is that 9 million children, including a million babies, infants, have received COVID boosters, the new 2024-2025 COVID booster. So it is continuing to go on. Another 9 million children just got injected. This is unconscionable. There is irrefutable data showing the harm’s We know that the shots do not stop you from contracting COVID. They don’t stop you from spreading it to others. And they are fraught with harms, not the least of which, you know, is there is the risk of autoimmune diseases, neurologic conditions, certainly cancers. Cancer rates have skyrocketed. We’re seeing just horrific reports. This most recent one of 17, one seven nurses at a single hospital in Boston having developing brain tumors. Wow. I mean, that is unheard of. The statistical likelihood of that is zero. I feel clearly it’s going to be a result of the vaccine. Whether we could prove it or not, I can’t say. Dr. Patrick Sun Chung, who is the owner of the LA Times now, but a world-renowned cancer specialist, developed chemotherapy agents, he has now finally, in the 11th and a half hour, come out and acknowledged that he is seeing and his colleagues are seeing unprecedented rates of cancers. He personally has an eight-year-old child with a colon cancer, a 13-year-old with pancreatic cancer, multiple patients under the age of 20 with both colonic and pancreatic cancers, as well as lung cancers. These are unheard of, never seen before. And there’s a tsunami that’s yet to come.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. So you know what, John? Go ahead, Steve. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
On top of that, I mean, I’m in health care every day. I talk to doctors virtually every day. There’s still 20, 30 percent of all the doctors out there who are absolutely committed to give COVID shots. Thank you. You’re segwaying into what I was going to ask a moment ago.
SPEAKER 15 :
Why are we still doing that, Steve? What I’m asking is, and Dr. Kelly, you can talk and explain this after Steve, but What we talk about here and the fact that COVID isn’t anything much more than a cold and might turn into a respiratory issue or something along those lines, but at the end of the day, still not a major deal. So, Steve, why are they still pushing that?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what it is? It’s what you’re reading and what you’re exposed to. And I’ll give you a little task that I’ve done for the last week or so. Every day I get up and look at the first 10 stories on MSN and the first 10 stories on Fox. And when you look at MSN this morning, there was plenty that stuck out. But one thing that stuck out was. When Trump did the tariffs yesterday on Liberation Day, he failed to sign the executive order, but he walked off the stage without doing it. And then they turned him around. He went back and signed it on MSN. That’s that was major health concern with President Trump. Is he still fit for office? It was like the headline because he forgot to sign it with all the speeches and stuff. and had to go back i mean that’s the point right so you have all these people saying long covid this is going to kill you you know it’s still a problem you should get your vaccines your kids need it and then the other side of the coin people are saying it kills people it injures people you know there’s there’s millions and millions and so depending on what you read who knows what you believe it’s crazy
SPEAKER 15 :
And so, Dr. Kelly, so going back to what I said a moment ago, from what I’ve understood and what we’ve had conversations on this program here during this hour for over the past year, and, you know, unless I’m completely wrong and haven’t heard it right, COVID now, what you actually would get if you have it, can you tell the difference between it and a bad cold?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no, the symptoms are very, very mild. I’d be much more concerned about getting influenza A. We’re having a relatively brisk influenza season. I had it in early February and really felt quite lousy, certainly much worse than I felt when I had COVID. Everyone I know who has COVID right now, and you always know who they are because they’re the ones who test. They feel obligated to shove a Q-tip up their nose every 15 minutes every And when you ask them what their symptoms are, they’re like, oh, I’ve had a runny nose and I felt really tired yesterday. I’m thinking, oh my gosh, we are making such a big thing about nothing. Truly, I’d be much more concerned about getting influenza, which is packing a bit of a punch this year, and forget about COVID. It’s going to continue to mutate. It’s going to continue to become less and less severe. Right now, it’s runny nose, a little bit of cough, and some body aches in the worst case scenario, and nothing more than that.
SPEAKER 15 :
OK, so given that’s the worst that you can get from COVID and I get it, you know, there can be certain situations, certain episodes for certain people, Dr. Kelly, depending upon their immune system, their age, all sorts of other things to where even a bad cold can be. Very detrimental. It can turn into a respiratory illness, viruses, things along those lines. I get I mean, by the way, that wasn’t that that’s nothing new. That’s been that way for a long time, even prior to covid ever existing. So given all of what we’re saying, going back to the question I asked Steve a moment ago, why are we still having a covid vaccine period?
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. Particularly, you know, half of them are only available under the emergency use authorization. I need someone to tell me exactly what emergency we are having that would justify anything being available under an emergency use authorization. We don’t need these shots in the same way they’re trying to gin up fear about measles. They’re trying to gin up fear about all of these things. Let me tell you, right now, we have heard so much about these, quote, measles outbreaks, the cases of measles. We have had less than 1,000 total cases of measles in the United States last year, in 2024. We had less than 1,000. Europe… all in Europe, same size population, fundamentally same land mass in Europe, had 127,000 last year. Okay. Okay? Did you hear anything about that?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, not a thing.
SPEAKER 05 :
We had 1,000 and people’s hair is on fire. Right. Okay? They had 127,000.
SPEAKER 15 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 05 :
Same population. Yeah, that’s the first I’ve heard of that.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s the first I’ve heard of that, you telling me that just now. Yeah, it doesn’t make the news at all.
SPEAKER 05 :
It never made the news. You’re never going to hear Anderson Cooper or Sanjay Gupta telling you about this. They had 38 deaths in Europe. Okay? We’ve had one in the United States. And you’d think that the world was falling apart. People do get viral illnesses occasionally, and tragically, people will die from them, particularly if they don’t get the best of the medical care available. And unfortunately, we cannot live in this constant state of fear-mongering. COVID is a nothing right now. Influenza, hopefully we’re getting towards the tail end of the season. Usually by May, cases start to drop off. You know, we’ve had… far fewer deaths from influenza this year than we have in a particularly bad year, where we might have as many as 40 or 50,000. You know, we have got, the best thing you can do for your health at this point is turn off the darn news.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a fact. That’s a fact. Well, all of this leads me into the next conversation. Guys, hang tight. We’ll come right back. If you’ve got a question for us, please send us a text message, 307-282-22. Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Make sure you’re dialed in with your financial future. Talk to Al today. klzradio.com is where you find him.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Dr. Kelly Victory, and Steve House. Okay, after all of that, Dr. Kelly, everything we just talked about in regards to the vaccine, and Steve started with doctors pushing that and all of that, and then we got into what is COVID really even like today, and this is, I know, A frustration not only of mine, but I think of both of you and even the Trump administration. And yes, we’ve got a new head of HHS, Robert Kennedy Jr. But the communication that is now not coming out. And this is the complaint that, by the way, Steve. I’ll start with you. I’ve got a complaint with the Republican Party in general. Our messaging and communication skills absolutely suck, as much as I even love Donald Trump. And he did a great job yesterday, I think, during the press conference explaining tariffs and what they mean and what other countries are doing and so on. Although I still don’t think at times we even explain that as well as we should. And I can tell you right now, coming out of HHS, it’s like crickets.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think part of the problem is, is there’s an assumption, and I’ve run into this so many times, even recently, John, I’ve talked a lot to people in Colorado about, you know, the new chair and what’s going on there. And that is that there’s an assumption if you’re in the political elite, if you will, that the average person isn’t going to get it. But in reality, if you’re communicating effectively, you’re communicating from the basis of what’s constitutionally correct. You’re communicating from the point of view that you put yourself in the shoes of someone who, let’s say, has, you know, $250,000 invested in the stock market and they encounter a day where, you know, they lose 5% or 6% of their wealth. You know, I think Trump needed to get on there yesterday and say, look, You know, I’ve told you that there’s going to be some small disruption. Well, a little bit better explanation on that. You should say, look, there’s going to be a reaction. There’s going to be a reaction by the market because there’s a lot of people that assume that this is the wrong strategy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and adding to that, there’s a lot of globe. I would have said this specifically. There’s a lot of globalists on Wall Street. In fact, the majority of Wall Street is made up of them. Keep in mind, these guys don’t like tariffs because it affects the way the global economy works. So keep in mind, you’re going to see a dip in the stock market because globalists hate this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, exactly right. And they also hate short term pain. You know, it’s not a lot. This is a long term investment. I mean, it needed to happen. I mean, that’s right. You know, there’s some things about what he believes on tariffs that are, you know, China, maybe the number in China is not 67 percent. Maybe it’s 67 percent when you add in barriers to entry and other things. But in reality, clearly it’s messed up. It’s been messed up for a long time. So did we know the stock market was going to take a hit? It’s been taking it for two months. Are we ready for that? I hope you’re not retiring this month because it might be a problem. But in reality, he could have done a better job of explaining it. So should Howard. What I do like, though, is Howard Lutnick and Peter Navarro and the guys are saying, look, it’s the right thing to do. Be patient. It’ll come out. But yeah, they needed to communicate better. No question about it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dr. Kelly, I know this is sometimes frustrating for you because you’re in that world where you communicate a lot. You’re on a lot of news shows. You’re on a lot of programs like what we have going on right now. You, I, and Steve, we communicate daily a lot of these things that go on. I know for me, personally, I get really, how should I say, upset maybe isn’t the right word, but just irritated that we on our side don’t communicate some of these things better.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree with you 100 percent. And I think that the issue is I think they’ve done an abysmal job communicating, explaining to the average American how this is going to work, why it’s important and acknowledging that there is going to be pain for a period of time. But that is going to be pain with a purpose because it’s going to ultimately pay off. And I think you have to explain that or people are going to become very, very upset and the base is going to start to turn. It’s sort of like saying to somebody, yes, you can become a marathon runner and it won’t be painful at all. You just go out and run every day and it’s super easy. And then the next day you just go and run the race. No, there’s pain involved. Okay? Growth, you know, and a lot of times, something, in order to get where you want to be, you’ve got to make a sacrifice. You’ve got to cut back. It’s going to hurt for a little bit, but this is necessary, and we’ve got to do it. You know, there’s a reason why the grown-ups in the room, in this case Trump, is supposed to explain it. When you’re the parent with your child in the ER, you’re supposed to explain, you’re going to have to get this shot, but it’s going to make you better. Okay? It’s going to hurt for a second. But it’s necessary. That’s what’s apparent. And I am very unhappy with how lousy a job our side has done, the Republicans have done, in explaining, laying out in lay terms what all of this economic policy is about, what it’s ultimately going to return, but acknowledging that there’s going to be a period of brief discomfort.
SPEAKER 15 :
And, again, communicating that properly. Go ahead, Steve.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, I can tell you I see it every day in the solicitations for funding for people running for office, too, on the Republican side. I’d coach all of them and say, like, don’t send me an email asking me for money telling me that you might lose. I mean, I don’t know Randy Fine. He wins. I mean, all this stuff. Like, guys, look, if you’re going to be a rational candidate, Talk to me in my terms about my problems and tell me what you think is going to happen. Don’t just call and say, we’re going to lose. I’m like, okay, I might give you money, but as soon as I see some evidence that we know what we’re doing and that we get results, I think we’re going in the right direction. I like the direction we’re going, but we aren’t there yet. We don’t have proof yet. And a little bit more explaining would be helpful because we don’t yet have absolute proof.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and Dr. Kelly, the other thing, too, that I would caution folks on, and I say this all the time on our side, is while there are things that might be proven to be true down the road, until you know for sure that things are actually true, and you had a great answer for that earlier when it came to the whole placenta story and so on, and until we know that things are Absolutely 100% true. Be careful what you’re spreading. I’ll give you an example. And somebody just asked a question. I think I answered it back on the text message, but I’ll ask you anyways. They’re asking, is some of what we’re seeing with measles, which you just explained, we don’t have a problem with measles anyways, but is any of that linked to some of the illegals that are coming across the border? Well… I think if there were a lot more cases, maybe we could attribute it to that. But I would be very cautious in saying that’s because of the illegal activity at the border that we actually have measles at all, because we have them anyways.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. We have measles outbreaks every year. You know, last year, I think we had 16 or 17 outbreaks, an outbreak being defined as three or more cases that are related. I think we’ve had four or five outbreaks this year. So I can’t blame it specifically on the illegals. There’s no question. We don’t know people’s vaccine status and we don’t know their their infectious disease histories. So you can’t say that they didn’t bring it. There’s been a single case in Pueblo. I got a health alert by the Colorado Department of Public Health. health yesterday or the day before saying, you know, there’s been a single case of measles identified in an adult male in Pueblo. They made it very quick to say that this was an unvaccinated person who had been to Mexico where there had been measles present. And, you know, I am certainly not even going to bat an eye at a single case of measles in Pueblo, Colorado. And I think largely we need to ignore all of this. I think there are lots of reasons to be concerned about people coming into this country illegally with unknown health status. But I’d be far more concerned about them bringing in tuberculosis and particularly drug resistant tuberculosis than I would about measles.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, so back to what got me going on this whole situation with RFK Jr. And it’s Axios. Axios is definitely left-leaning. I get it. But talking about headline red, White House fed up with RFK Jr.’ ‘s sluggish press shop. Again, I don’t take a lot of stake in Axios, given their background, where they come from, and so on. Although, personally speaking, and I think you guys would agree with this, we haven’t seen a lot coming out of that particular administration. I get it, and I’m trying to be patient. They’re fairly new. But I would have expected by now, Dr. Kelly and Steve, and I’ll start with you, Dr. Kelly, to even have… An explanation as to what we just went through, you and I and Steve, with what COVID really is today. Do you need this vaccine? Quit giving it to kids under a certain age. I mean, there’s all sorts of things you could have came out and made a statement on. And I guess my frustration is, what are we waiting for, guys? Get on it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they are certainly suffering, they being HHS and the new administration under Bobby Kennedy. They are struggling for a communication strategy.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, no offense, Dr. Kelly, really quick, just to interrupt, but, you know, between you and I and Steve, and I’m not trying to boast or brag, but they could hire the three of us, and I’m not joking, within about… I don’t know, 48 hours, the three of us could come up with enough messaging to handle what they need to do over the next 30 days.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Well, you know, I was, you know, without getting too much into the weeds, I was heading to D.C. to do that job for HHS. And so very, very recently when they made a decision, senior administration under Trump made the decision that not to have a spokesperson for HHS, the job I was heading to do. They made a decision that Bobby Kennedy, Jay Bhattacharya, Marty Macri, and Memon Oz will be their own spokespersons. I think that that is a bad decision. I think we need cohesiveness and communication. And I think the only way to get the train back on the track, given how much competence has been lost during the, you know, not only the COVID debacle, but over the last couple of decades with regard to what’s going on in health care, certainly including Obamacare and everything related to that, I think they absolutely need somebody to give a singular voice and a singular message with regard to the priorities. They don’t have that. And it appears, at least for the time being, I respect their decision. It was not my decision. But I think that it is not the bet. I think you are always better off to have a cohesive, singular voice rather than appear to be in a bit of disarray.
SPEAKER 15 :
Steve, maybe they knew that she knew you and I, and that’s why she didn’t get that.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what? I called him and said it would be way too detrimental to the radio show. Yeah, can’t lose her. Can’t lose her. Let her down easy. Let her down easy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Part of me, I’m really upset that you didn’t get it. Part of me actually is very glad you didn’t, Dr. Kelly, because, yeah, that means you wouldn’t be with us on… a regular basis, and we have learned so much, and you have given so much value to our listeners. On the same token, I agree with you wholeheartedly. There needs to be a cohesive message coming out of HHS across the board. There’s so many things that that department, frankly, and the White House has missed the mark on over the past not only four years, but I’ll go a couple of years even past, even when Trump was still president. Reality is they have blown it on so many levels. They’ve got to get that back.
SPEAKER 06 :
I agree, and I’m hopeful…
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead, Dr. Cahill, I’ll let you start.
SPEAKER 05 :
As you say, I’m hopeful that they will come to a different conclusion, whether it’s me or somebody else. There are certainly other people who are competent to do it. It’s something that I was willing to serve in order because I believe this is such an important thing. And I think we have got so much work to do. So I was willing to give up a lot of things that I love, including this show and a job that I love at the wellness company and other places. in order to serve the country. So I’m hopeful that they will make a different decision going forward.
SPEAKER 03 :
Steve, go ahead. I mean, in reality, I’ve traveled the world and seen health care in different countries, and I will tell you the silos that we have in this country are unique. We don’t have these kind of silos in the rest of the world. I mean, you have nutrition-based health, which Bobby Kennedy seems would make America healthy. Again, he’s kind of putting his arms around that. You have then drug, pharma, FDA, approving processes, devices, interventions, etc., You have Mehmet running CMS, Medicaid, Medicare, which is one of the largest payers in the country. And, you know, then you have the entire infrastructure underneath all of that that involves health care, IT and billing and everything else that goes on. There is no way. I mean, I really am disappointed because what I expected, and I like Bobby Kennedy, what I expected him and that group to do was come together and lay out a plan from end to end, from the starting point of nutrition and, you know, even as far as saying, you know, breast milk is better than formula. All the way to the point where nutrition throughout your life is really, really critical. And when you need an intervention, you get it a certain way. You need to be incentivized. You said pain, right? You were talking about pain. It’s like going to the gym, Kelly, right? I mean, you can’t get progress without pain. You go to the gym and you get that. There has to be that overall messaging that is connected together. And if it’s not connected together, then, you know, you’re living in silos and all of a sudden you jump from one to the other. And usually there’s a bunch of pain and a bunch of costs associated with it. So it’s very disappointing they haven’t made that change.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, if it’s any consolation to both of you, we’ve had numerous texters now saying, gosh, what a bad move on their part to not do that. And I get it, Dr. Kelly. There are other people that could do that as well. Although I will just say this straight up because I know you as well as I do. I’d be hard pressed for, you know. If I were them, I’d be hard-pressed to find anybody more qualified to do that job than you. That already has got a lot of press experiences on the radio, is on TV, is doing these things on a routine basis. They would be hard-pressed to find anybody better than you. I’ll just say that straight up.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I appreciate the kudos. I laid out a strategy that I think is tried and true when it comes to leadership, which is that, number one, people need to understand that you are capable of doing something other than surviving in crisis mode. I would lay out on a regular basis, meaning in the same way that you’ve got uh caroline lovett doing it uh for the white house i would do take that same approach with hhs there’s so much going on that i would do a weekly uh press briefing and say here are the top five things we are working on the top two might be crisis issues perhaps you know bird flu or measles right now uh but then layout and here are things three four and five that we are working on urgently issues with regard to you know pharmaceutical advertising or flooring in the water or the school You know, the school lunch program or whatever it is.
SPEAKER 15 :
How to make America healthy again.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. Yes. That you’re not just capable of putting out the fire in front of you, but that you can multitask and that you are capable of keeping this plate spinning and addressing the needs of all Americans. Right now, it’s sort of they just go from one crisis to the next. And that’s never a good optic.
SPEAKER 15 :
Nope. No, you can’t just be a fireman. Steve, it’s one of the things that, you know, when I coach other businesses and I come alongside and I try to, number one, start that process of, hey. as an owner, you cannot just be a fireman or you’re never going to get the business to where it needs to go. So there’s things you do strategically, as Dr. Kelly laid out a moment ago, that you start down the process of to not just be a fireman. Because as you know, Steve, if you’re just a fireman, that’s all you’re going to ever do. You’re not going to do anything else.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it’s kind of like you have this make America healthy again scenario, but you also need a keep America healthy when we get there again scenario as well. You need to have that investment in that. By the way, if Kelly wasn’t going to do it, John, I’d want you, because I can just see the press asking you a health care question and you saying, you know, that’s like having a transmission and a differential. They’re both brand new. That’s right. If they don’t integrate, you’re just not going to get the opportunity you want, and that’s going to cost too much money. You’re going to end up in ED. I would love that kind of talk.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, the funniest thing about that is there’ll probably be a lot of blue-collar guys out there saying, yeah, right, I get that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, from the first time I understand health care, I finally get it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, you’re too funny. Well, I got to run, let both of you guys go. Dr. Kelly, all we can do is keep praying, see if they’ll see the light. I think you still would be a great candidate. I guess we’ll see how things turn out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you very much. In the meantime, I will continue working with you guys. We appreciate it. Educating people one show at a time. We love it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Thank you, Dr. Kelly. Appreciate you very much. Steve, thank you for putting all this together years ago. It’s because of you we do this. Well, maybe, but it’s because of her that we’re better at it than we would have been otherwise. Very well said. Appreciate that. Thank you, Steve. Appreciate you very much. Up next, Veteran Windows and Doors, 35% off up to three windows, 40% off four or more. Free labor to install. Talk to Dave today. Go to klzradio.com to find him.
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It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And yes, some of you that may be interested in more about Dr. Kelly Victory, if you haven’t seen her out and about and you don’t know who she is, she’s actually very well known. She talks to a lot of other news organizations besides us. We were one of her first backers. Back in the day, 2020, and she has since grown much larger in that particular area since then. And you see her in a lot of different places all over the news and so on. But we’ve got a page dedicated to her on our website, RushToReason.com. So in case you’re new, maybe listening for the first time today, want to know who that actually was. She is very much an expert in all things medically related, including COVID, turbo cancers, the mRNA vaccines, all of those different things. So if you want to know more about her, again, just go to our website, RushToReason.com. And Steve House, who you also heard there, he actually has been in the political end of things for quite some time, was based here in Colorado for a very, very long time, has been in the medical health care admin end of things for a very long time, and put Dr. Kelly, Victory, and us together all the way back in 2020 as well. We’ll be back. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 16 :
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