From technological advancements in safety to the evolving design principles that distinguish modern cars from their predecessors, we explore the journey of auto manufacturing. In addition, our question of the day provokes thought as we assess whether modern cars are truly more appealing than those of the past. Tune in for an enlightening discussion on how auto design affects safety, market trends, and consumer preferences.
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SPEAKER 15 :
And it’s that time, Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all joining us at a great first hour with Fix It Radio, which for those of you who listen to a replay of Drive Radio on Saturday mornings, we do Fix It Radio from 9 to 10, and then from 10 to 1, we do Drive Radio. So if you want to listen to that first hour, you can always go to the website, fixitradio.com, and find that there, or listen to one of our replays as well. Ken Rackley with me today, though, here for Drive Radio. Always good to be here, John. A little cooler today.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is a little—it’s a lot cooler, I was going to say. It’s a lot cooler. Yeah, it is, actually. The sun’s not even out 100%, so that’s good. We’ll take it. That’s right.
SPEAKER 15 :
For those of you listening, we will be off. It’ll be a best-of show next Saturday as we go through the Labor Day weekend. So if you’ve got specific questions for us, my recommendation is get those in today. because we will not be here next week. So if there’s something you’ve been wondering, you might be wanting to do a project even over Labor Day weekend. If there’s something that you just want some questions answered on, Ken and I are here all day today for three hours, 303-477-5600. You can also text us, 307-200-8222, 307-200-8222. Question of the day. And this one, I think somebody sent me. I think Charlie actually sent me this one. So I’m stealing this question of the day from him because he sent me an article along these lines. He sent me an article on the ugliest, worst-looking cars ever. So my question of the day for all of you is, what do you feel is the ugliest car or the worst-looking car ever? And there’s been a few. So you can start rattling some of those off. But again, question of the day, worst looking car ever, 303, 477, 5600. I probably have too many to list, but I can throw a few out there. The Pacer being one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, sure.
SPEAKER 15 :
Had to have been back in the day. I don’t know what AMC was thinking. It was a fishbowl on wheels is what I called it.
SPEAKER 04 :
It was just not an attractive car. Full of glass and just a bubble-looking thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Was not attractive. No. I don’t know what designer thought, well, let’s build this.
SPEAKER 04 :
The public will buy anything. What? Well, and they really didn’t. You know, right. Exactly.
SPEAKER 15 :
The Aztec Pontiac, that’s another example of a vehicle where I think some GM said, yeah, they’ll buy this. Well, they really didn’t is the problem. And the reason I want to go on this topic is… And I know there’s a lot of people out there that you’re looking for functionality. A to B, that’s all you care about. Although I think even some of those people, if you give them the choice of A to B in a good-looking car or A to B in an ugly car, and everything’s equal, they’ll still choose the better-looking car.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, right, because it’s not like they’re priced any different.
SPEAKER 15 :
Aesthetically, our eyes are still going to be attracted to something that’s pleasing to us. And so what these manufacturers, I think, miss a lot of times is they may think the car looks good, but… If the general public doesn’t think so, it’s not going to sell.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 15 :
And it happens over and over and over again in the automotive world especially. Now, I think we’ve gotten past some of that. You look at a lot of the new cars, and one of the complaints on new cars, of course, is – one of the things I even hear is, well, they all look the same. Well – Kind of they do. And some of that has to do with where we’re at with the crash end of things and what they’ve had to do for the crumple zones and things like that. And, yes, cars are definitely a lot safer today than they ever have been. That old saying of, well, they don’t build them like they used to. Thank God.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank God. That’s right. Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
I say that every time somebody says that. I still get people that argue with me on that.
SPEAKER 15 :
They say, no, John, they were better back then.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they’re not. No, they weren’t.
SPEAKER 15 :
No. No. In fact, I’m driving my son’s GMC HD Duramax this week. Uh-huh. I drove a couple of weeks ago my old 04 Dodge Cummins, which is a great 5.9, great truck. Nothing wrong with that. But it’s an 04. It’s now 22 years old because 26s are rolling out as we speak. So it’s literally almost now 22 years old. And I will tell you. They’ve made a lot of advancements. What? In 22 years. No. Just a few, kids. Just a few. And while the 04 is definitely better than a 94 or an 84, in fact, from 84 to 04, big differences from 84 to 04. Huge. Oh, yeah, huge. But there are huge differences from 04 to 2024. You bet. Yeah. And I always say it this way, those older cars, you literally drive. I mean, you get in them, you steer them, you drive them, you do all sorts of things along those lines. A new truck, honestly, you sort of just guide it. You just sort of hang on to the wheel a little bit and guide it where it needs to go, and that’s all you’ve got to do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Point the direction. That’s pretty much it. Exactly. Yeah, especially with trucks. I mean, just the payloads, just the extra stuff that they’re able to do, whether it be for power, Or just suspension, yeah, and towing and everything.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mirrors, I mean, you know, for example, these newer trucks, which Ken has one of them as well. So these newer trucks, if you want to, for example, you’re getting into a bigger trailer and you need to slide the mirrors out, there’s a button. There’s a button.
SPEAKER 04 :
You want to fold them in, there’s a button. There’s a button.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re not getting out of the truck to dink around with any of this stuff like you used to. My old truck, yeah, you could do the extended mirrors. You got out, you flipped them up.
SPEAKER 04 :
You moved them, you got in, you… Get out, you remove them.
SPEAKER 15 :
The new ones are not that way. The convenience factor is second to none. Now, I will say, and this is something that we get into on this program quite often, is, yes, there’s a lot more electronics and things to do, and fixing them isn’t what it used to be. I understand that.
SPEAKER 04 :
We get that. There’s a lot more to them, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Although, with all that being said, realistically, folks, yes, you still need to do maintenance. It’s a mechanical item. Maintenance has to be done, period, no matter what you’re driving or using. But your overall cost of ownership as far as repairs, if you were to go back in time and factor in inflation and so on, you’re still driving them as far as the maintenance side of it is concerned for less money than we ever have.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
If you actually look at it on an annual basis, what most people spend, we are spending less money. Because if you go back in time, some would say, well, yeah, but an oil change used to be $30. Well, yeah, 20 years ago, a lot of things were $30 that today are $60 or more.
SPEAKER 04 :
And you did it every 2,000 or 3,000 miles and not every 5,000 to 7,000 or whatever. That’s right.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right. So I hear a lot from people where it’s, oh, yeah, they don’t make them like they used to. And I’m like, Ken, thank God.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s a reason they don’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. And, yeah, it’s just all in personal preference. But, you know, they all have good products. And, you know, it’s just what you get in and want to go with. That’s right. And, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
So worst-looking car ever. One thing I want to add today, and I have to add this in just because I saw the news reports that came out yesterday. So there is a stop sale. that has been issued by General Motors to all GM dealers that sell Corvettes, Z06s specifically and the ZR1s. There’s not a lot of ZR1s in the marketplace, so this is mostly going to be Z06s. So a stop sale because there have been some known fires at gas stations upon filling of these vehicles. Now, what I’m going to tell you is this, and I own one of these, so I can say this with all familiarity. It’s because people are stupid. I have no other way to say that. It’s because they’re stupid. And what I mean by that is they’re not getting the nozzle all the way down the neck. They’re spilling fuel out. I mean, if you fill up a vehicle correctly, there should not be a drop of fuel that comes out on the ground anywhere. The chance for fire, if done correctly, there is none. Now, in this case, what GM is blaming it on is if it gets overfilled. and anything spills out, and the engine is super hot. So say you’ve been driving for a while, you now pull into the station, you fill up, and if you happen to overfill or something happens with the nozzle and things shoot out or do whatever, it can get down into the intake side of the car, goes into the engine compartment, therefore can ignite, cause a fire, and so on. And there’s pictures and video of these things happening. Here’s what I’m going to tell you, though, folks. That’s operator error. I don’t care what anybody says. That’s just being a… A total dodo head. Pump clicks off and don’t add anymore.
SPEAKER 04 :
And stop. And by the way, this is across the board.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t care whether you’re driving a Corvette or a truck or whatever. On first click, stop. Those of you that are topping off. And I see different things even online about this where people will debate this. There is no debate here, folks. The way the new emission systems are built, the EVAP systems and so on, they are not meant to be filled all the way completely to the brim to where the fuel is about to run out of the intake, out of the nozzle, the fill holes. They’re not meant to do that. They are meant to stop at first click. I don’t care if it’s an odd number. The majority of you are paying with a credit card anyways. Who cares? Yeah. It doesn’t have to end in 00 is my point. No one cares. I have never done that with a credit card.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t either. When it clicks off, I let it go.
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When it clicks, I’m done. And by the way, I do that even on a diesel truck. Because, yeah, a diesel truck, you could get by with filling all the way to the very, very, very, very, very, very top if you want to. But you don’t need to. I mean, that extra half a gallon that you might actually get, you don’t even get that quarter gallon maybe when it’s all said and done. Yeah, yeah. It doesn’t amount to anything. The amount of time, actually, that you spent to get that quarter gallon of extra fuel into your vehicle, you didn’t gain anything.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, because you’re going to fill up a quarter of a tank anyway. It doesn’t matter.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, exactly. So I blame a lot of this Corvette fire issue. And I’m not blaming it on General Motors. They’re going to come up with a fix, and they’re going to do something to where they can capture some of the fuel that happens to spill out of the fill area. But honestly, this is a recall for dumb people. I don’t know how else to say it. This is a recall for dumb people. Dumb drivers, because there is no reason. Again, I’m telling you, I own one of these. It’s not that difficult to fill the vehicle up and stop at the first click. And by the way, and I talk about this even during the week, you should be filling up, standing next to the car. You shouldn’t be walking around. You shouldn’t run in and get a candy bar. That’s not how this is supposed to work. You should be standing next to your car the entire time you’re filling it up, being aware. You are putting something that’s extremely flammable into your vehicle. That’s what it runs off of. It’s called gasoline, and you should be standing next to it as you’re filling it to make sure that if something were to go awry, you know, the pump malfunctions, something along those lines, you are the responsible person at that point, and you should be doing this correctly.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s not that hard. Right. Well, and two, just filling it, you know, instead of going on the second click or the high click of speed. Go on the middle click. I always go with the first click. Fill it slower. Not going to hurt anything. Yeah, it’s not going to back up in the tube as quick. So you’ll get as much as you need. And I’ve heard over time, too, that some of the additives in the fuel doesn’t escape as much. I’ve heard that, too. Yeah, so your fuel mileage can increase.
SPEAKER 15 :
Here’s the bottom line. You’re not hurting anything by going on that slower scale and the chance of having things even puke out at you, for example. It’s just not going to happen. Again, I look at this Corvette situation with what GM is going through now as it’s like the safety stickers that, you know, you open a package and it says, don’t eat this. Don’t put this bag over your head. That’s what’s happening right now with General Motors and this Corvette recall. You’ve got people driving them that are total dodo heads. Yeah. Sorry, folks, this one, there is no excuse to even have this recall whatsoever. This is literally a recall to fix stupid people. Stupid Corvette owners. I have no other way to say it. You shouldn’t have owned that car in the first place. You deserve to have it burned to the ground if you’re that dumb. Sorry, I know I’m getting off on a soapbox here, but this is ridiculous. This just shows you some of the recalls at times manufacturers have to go through to fix stupid people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s no reason for any modern vehicle to be going past the first click. Ever. And yet I see people at the pump doing it constantly. I’ve even said, you know, you’re not helping your car by doing that. And they get you this look like, what are you talking about? I’m like, you know, the evaporative system on the car, it’s meant to actually capture those fumes and so on. And when you fill it all the way to the top, you’re now overloading that system. You’re actually not helping yourself at all. And at the end of the day, you’re actually harming the car. You should have just stopped at the first click. And they look at you like, who are you? And I’m like, well… You should listen to the program.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t say that, but. No, it’s, I mean, it’s, yeah. You know, it’s just like, yeah, don’t eat Oreos all day, every day. You know, it’s.
SPEAKER 15 :
I know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Anyways, all right.
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We’ll take a break. We’ll come back. Any comments, questions for us, we’re here. 303-477-5600. And we’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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I’ve had a few unfortunate incidents where I accidentally activated the panic alarm by bumping the key fob in my pocket up against something and, you know, making the thing go crazy, disturbing my neighbors and so forth. And… I’d love to be able to disable that. I keep looking for tips on how to do that. I found a YouTube video where one gentleman, he’s using a laptop computer and he’s using a program I guess he downloaded called 4Scan, which I guess is relevant to Ford specifically. That’s what I need. And he makes it look easy, but I’m almost computer illiterate, so… It’s all over my head, but I’m going to keep pursuing that. But in the meantime, do you know in general, I’m sure it varies by vehicle, but overall, would you have a wild guess what the distance might be where the remote control might be functional on those things? The reason I’m asking is I was at work the other day and I was bumping up against things and I thought, holy moly, I hope I didn’t just set off my car alarm out in the parking lot.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I can tell you, Jerry, for me personally, we’re on the 12th story here at Crawford Broadcasting. So, you know, up in a high rise and the parking lot’s down below us, but not against the building. So the parking lot is out away from the building. I don’t know if 40 yards or so probably, 30 to 40 yards, depending upon where you park. You go all the way in the outer parking lot here to the west, Jerry, you can be 50 yards away. So 12 stories up, 50 yards away from the building. And in the wintertime, if I want to have a warm car before I leave, I can do the remote start from the window at 12 stories up and 50 yards away. So if you think about line of sight there, pretty long distance, it’ll still operate.
SPEAKER 04 :
In a straight line, yeah, with no obstacles. Nothing in between. Yeah, right. Yeah, kind of hard to say.
SPEAKER 15 :
But I’m going through glass. I mean, I’m in a high-rise with really thick double-pane glass that I don’t necessarily even have to stand next to the glass to make it work. I can literally be sitting in the seat here and decide that 10 minutes before I leave I want to fire it up. I can. I’ll look out the window and make sure the lights are on and it’s rolling in the wintertime, and it is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, probably, you know, I would say probably find a big parking lot or something or just leave it on the street and walk down the block and kind of see, you know, with other cars and stuff in the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s farther than most think, Jerry.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
And really quick. In fact, that’s where a lot of these thieves, Jerry, have gotten the ability now to pick up that rolling code coming out of fobs because you can literally be. parking in the outskirts of the Walmart parking lot, be walking inside, forget, go ahead and lock or unlock or do whatever with your car, and those thieves can pick that up.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. If I were to accidentally set that off and not realize it, like from a great distance, would it just keep going until the battery ran down?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, it usually has a 30-second timeout or something like that, typically, I would say. And what year Ford is it? 2017. Okay. You know, and I would probably pull the fob apart and just see how those buttons make contact.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I did find a YouTube video where a fellow does that. His solution was to super glue that button so it wouldn’t work anymore.
SPEAKER 04 :
Just make sure you just stick to that button. But, yeah, and think about it, too. You could be hitting the unlock button just as readily as you’re hitting that button, too. So, you know, you could be leaving it unlocked. So maybe flip the key fob the other direction in your pocket to where it’s up against your leg. Yeah. I’ve done the same thing at work, but I’m lucky I can hear it from inside. So it’s one of those things. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
All righty. Well, thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate the advice.
SPEAKER 15 :
Bottom line, it’s a lot farther, Jerry, than most people think. Most people think beyond the driveway it’s not going to work. Oh, no, they’ll work for quite some distance, actually. Now, one thing that will affect it is how new, how strong the battery in the key fob is as it ages and gets a little older. But if it’s got a new battery and all that and the fob’s working correctly, it’s a lot farther than people think.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that reminds me of another question where, yeah, I’ve never replaced the battery on this thing. Is it feasible if the battery died that…
SPEAKER 15 :
that the car wouldn’t start even though i’ve got you know the mechanical key yes is it yes yeah there’s there’s usually a spot you can put it uh yeah hold it up against where it’ll pick it up owner’s manual tell you that somewhere on the dash normally if you take even a really weak battery key fob it will still allow the vehicle to start although i will tell you if they go completely dead uh good luck you’ll have to put a battery in to get things rolling yeah
SPEAKER 04 :
Some of them you have to hold, like, if you’re trying to get in the vehicle, you hold it, like, over the steering column, you know, above the windshield and hit the button or whatever. And then to get it started, you have to do the same thing sometimes. Right. It’s just there’s different ways for every manufacturer.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. I’m going to have to look into that.
SPEAKER 15 :
And for those of you with that, look in the owner’s manual. Jerry, it’ll tell you where to go.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
All righty.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, Jerry.
SPEAKER 15 :
Appreciate it very much. Yep. Great question. Steve, you’re next. Go ahead, Steve.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good morning, Sir John. Hope you’re having a superlative Saturday. We are. We are. You hit my hot button, which is bad gas pump behavior. More than once, I’ve been up there pumping gas, and some dude comes rolling in on the next pump and the next dialing over, and he’s fueling with a lit cigar, talking on his cell phone. And I’m going, I am out of there. Yeah, not a good combo. No, I haven’t finished pumping. I don’t care. I’m going over and parking at the emergency shutoff. before i go back to finish it and i’ve tried to advise my persian princess bride and my young daughter same thing because that is just utter stupidity youtube is full of gas stations blowing up i’ve talked to a lot of store managers and i said i know it’s going to cut any commercial time these screens they have it’s pumped uh you know promoting car washes and this that and additives You might want to show a couple of these YouTubes of gas stations blowing up. I just don’t get it. People are crazy. So my advice to anybody is if you see that and you’re next to somebody smoking a cigar, talk on a cell phone, just put the pump back in, get out of there, go with the emergency shutoff, and be ready to go back and finish your job. And then if you don’t mind, back to last hour’s conversation on roofs. I was out doing tasks at 4 o’clock in the morning. Anyway, I’ve always liked these metal roofs, which you normally see only in the mountains, and agricultural farm ranch. But I had this wild idea. First of all, metal roofs, I’m a big believer in, but they will still get dented, too, if the hill’s big enough. And then you’ve seen playgrounds where they put that, like, one-inch thick, polyurethane foam to protect the kids as they fall off, playground equipment and stuff. So I’m taking metal roof, the one-inch thick polyurethane foam, and then an architectural treatment that goes on top that looks like composite shingles. And it would take a bowling ball to get through all that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, can’t argue that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I just think it’s an idea worth pursuing because these roofing costs now, don’t wait until two years ago when American National was $26,000. Mm-hmm. And we’ve done 15 roofs. Between 11 and 13, it’s just crazy what’s going on there. You’re right. You’re right. Anyway, just a passing 4 o’clock in the morning thought. Oh, you’re fine. No, good one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Those good ideas come first thing. That’s right. Nothing wrong with that, Steve.
SPEAKER 03 :
We ought to be doing, if we can build, printer houses, which we’ve been doing for many years. We have. You’ve seen them with the rolls of concrete. And by the way, These computer printer houses, they don’t take breaks. They don’t get sick. They always show up. Yep.
SPEAKER 1 :
24%.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, you’re right. And the costs are like 30%, 40% less. Mm-hmm. Anyway, great show. I sure appreciate it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I appreciate it, Steve. Nope, you’re welcome. Don, hang tight. We’ll come right back. A few cars have been texted in, by the way, on Ugly Cars. The AMC Matador, the Renault Le Car, Nissan Cube, of course, the Cybertruck, which, yeah, that one I will second. That has to be one of the ugliest vehicles on… I know some people love them. It’s sort of a love-hate thing, but yeah, I’m not one of the guys that actually loves that one. So, Don, hang tight. Myself, Ken Rackley. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio KLZ 560. Myself, Ken Rackley. Charlie Grimes, our engineer. I should have mentioned that earlier. Larry Unger answering phones for us today as well. Before I go to Don, I had a question that came in via the text line or an email, I should say, asking about, you know, I’ve got a certain vehicle. I’m having a hard time getting it registered. In fact, the state doesn’t even want me to register it. And there’s certain older vehicles that are now getting to be that way. There’s a fix for that. And I don’t mind telling people this because I can’t stand our state at times with some of the things that they do in regards to all of their rules and regulations for not only emissions but a lot of the other nonsense that they get into. And some of the vehicles that they’re trying to eliminate won’t be driven enough to make any difference at the end of the day in any way, shape, or form. So there’s a fix for this. There’s a company out of South Dakota called Dirt Tags where you can actually get a South Dakota.
SPEAKER 04 :
Dirt Legal.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sorry, Dirt Legal. Dirt Legal. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Not Dirt Tags. Dirt Legal. Dirt Legal is out of South Dakota. There’s also a company up in Montana that can get you Montana tags. It’s called Legal Tags. So those two companies can figure out ways for you to do it. Now, it’s going to be more expensive than you registering your vehicle in Colorado because there’s some company things that they have to do and set up for you and make that happen. But once you do it, it’s kind of a done deal. You’re not typically doing it again. have, you know, heavier trailers and things like that, you may want to go ahead and do something along those lines in the first place rather than doing that in Colorado. So something to think about. You may want to do your registration somewhere else, especially some of you that have difficulty with older vehicles and emissions and so on. This would be an alternative for you to still have a legal vehicle to drive 50 states if need be. And it’s an alternative. And Ken knows what I’m talking about because it works.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, I’ve used them for my razor. And, you know, because you can’t plate it here. But, like, if you’re in a state that allows those to drive on the road as long as they’re plated, yeah. So it’s got a legal South Dakota plate on it. A legal tag to do it. So I can Arizona, Montana, Wyoming. Drive it on the street and off you go. Yeah. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 15 :
So they’re a great example of how you can use those. So I have no problem with talking about those folk because it does work as a great alternative. So Don and Littleton, you’re next.
SPEAKER 13 :
Hi, John. Hi, Ken. Nice to talk with you.
SPEAKER 15 :
You likewise. Good hearing from you, Don.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, thanks. Say, I was underneath my HRV the other day, Honda’s 2016, and I was changing oil, and I was thinking about changing the fluid in the CVT. I’ve done it twice now. But I know you guys say that it’s much better to use a flushing machine than to simply drain out what you can and refill it. But I look really carefully, John, Ken, I could not find any fluid lines that go from the transmission up to the radiator. There’s none.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, yeah. The CVTs are not typically able to be flushed, just the way they’re set up. And they use so very little fluid anyway that, you know, draining and filling, you’re getting, you know, 75%. And it probably comes out pretty clean every time you do it, right, Don? Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, it does. And the system holds seven quarts, and I can get out five quarts. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 15 :
On that situation, you’re fine.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I mean, that’s the only way you can do it. I mean, the only other way you could do it to even make it better would be to do it twice, but need be. For what you’re doing, you don’t need to. Yeah, exactly. You’re not towing anything with it. It’s not a heavy use.
SPEAKER 13 :
I do it every 20,000 miles. Oh, you’re way ahead of the game.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re fine.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. Yeah, you’re good at that. I appreciate knowing that because I thought, geez, I wonder how the pros do it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Same way you’re doing it. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I mean, because that’s the only way to do the CVTs. This is also why, Don, and everybody listening, we recommend people do this at, you know, 30,000 miles. And reality is the dealers will tell you that, oh, no, you know, we just check it. Well, here’s what they’re not telling you. Yeah, they check it, and guess what? They’ll also advise you to do the fluid change at the time they check it. In other words, the maintenance schedule says just bring it in and we’ll check it. Well, most of them are getting done because they know the same thing we’re talking about, Don.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Sure, sure. In order to check it, you have to plug anyway. Right, you’re doing it. Right. It’s just easier.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, okay, good on you. I guess I’m on the right track. You are, definitely. I’m glad to hear your blessings. Thanks an awful lot.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re on the right track, Don. I appreciate it very much. Yeah, no, quickly, there’s a lot of dealerships and the OEMs. Now, there’s some guys out there that are in the dealer side that are very honest and will tell you that, yep, these schedules don’t mean anything. It’s strictly a return on investment. They’re trying to get a cost per mile down. And that’s why they’re doing some of the things that they’re doing. In fact, there’s a guy that’s a great social media guy, owns a Ford dealership that goes out and says exactly the same thing that we’re talking about. And he’s on the dealer end of things. So he agrees a thousand percent with the things that we talk about on this program. And one of the few guys out there that will publicly state some of the things that that he’s stating he is he is 100 correct though because a lot of the dealerships will tell you oh you don’t need to do that in fact i’ve had some of you comment on owning toyotas and even going to the toyota dealership asking them to do certain things and they basically refuse to do them and that you know no offense go find another place to do it and go to the independent side anyways they’ll take care of you much better than what the dealer will But the dealership’s going to tell you that because, again, they’re trying to keep that total cost of ownership down. Only reason why they’re telling you what they’re telling you is there’s no other reason for it. Those vehicles, I should say, plural, still need maintenance done, Ken.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, sure. Yeah, the fluids are vital. I mean, to keep those on the road for 200,000, 300,000 miles, that’s where you get that from. Yep, absolutely.
SPEAKER 15 :
Question of the day still is ugliest vehicles. I’ve had several text messages, and somebody just sent an email in on the – this is funny. They call it the turd cell instead of the tur-cell, the old four-wheel drive Toyotas. Now, I will say this. While they were ugly – and they were. They were as ugly as you could get. As far as – Workability, though, and cars that would run for stinking ever as a four-wheel drive car back in the day, those old Tercels, they would run and run and run and run. And most of them were rotten as far as the rust was concerned. They’d rust out and so on. The bodies were just junk. But mechanically speaking, those things would run forever. Forever.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, as long as they didn’t rust and the suspension fall out from underneath them. That’s right. You know, that was the hardest part.
SPEAKER 15 :
You keep all that underneath them, mechanically speaking, as far as the rest of it’s concerned, they would run. And I’m not exaggerating, folks, because I lived in that world, you know, back in the day, fixing four-wheel drives and so on. We’d have a few customers with those things. And, I mean, they were just – they were literally on the body. They were a bucket of bolts. Yeah. But if you kept the body together, the rest of that car – I mean, I – My brain’s getting ahead of my mouth. They would run forever. Now, something about that car, and all of you probably can relate to this. We all have things we relate to with smells. I can tell you exactly how that car smells right now today because it’s so distinct from even a lot of the other cars that it was around back in the day.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and Volkswagen the same way. You get in an old bug or a new bug, and you know what? And I never put it together, but one of my technicians says, yeah, they smell like crayons. You open up a box of crayons, and that’s what they smell like.
SPEAKER 15 :
You never thought of that. Never related it that way.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I’m like, man, it smells like crayons. You’re right. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 15 :
That Tercel, again, because I had lots of customers that had those back in the day, and I can still to this day, especially on a hot day, you’d climb in and it’s like, oh. Where’s my mask? I needed to even drive this car because the plasticky, crayon-y, just that whole smell when you got in it, I can still, to this day, I know exactly what that car smelled like versus an old Jeep versus an old Bronco versus a lot of those older vehicles had very distinct smell. Well, my car from high school. My 68 Grand Sport. It has a unique smell. What’s weird about that car is I climb in that car today, it smells exactly like it did when I was in high school.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and there’s a hint of gasoline. Yeah. There’s a hint of whatever they made. Yeah, exactly. That car still smells exactly the same.
SPEAKER 15 :
exactly the same way it did when i was a vinyl the yep just everything in that car unfortunately it’s only got 52 000 miles on it so it’s literally like it was when i was in high school it’s like going it’s like a time machine you climb in the car it’s like going back in time it’s just so odd that way but that’s just the way the car is and how it smells and exactly anyway some of those things you know you know take us back so maybe i’ll do a question of the day on that someday but today the question of the day is ugliest cars you know some of the ugliest cars ever made tell us what those are and i’ll list them for you if you want to Text us, email, or call in directly, 303-477-5600. Myself, Ken Rackley. Of course, Larry Unger, again, answering phones. And Charlie Grimes, our engineer. We’ll be right back. Don’t go anywhere, guys. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back to our radio KLZ 5 station. Myself, Ken Rackley, Tune Tech Automotive. Mike in Westminster, you’re next.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, John, Ken. Hey, how goes it? Good. You? Not bad. Not bad. Nice to see a little cool down from the semi-ired, crushing, non-burning weather we had. Ken, my brother was Perry. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
I lost a few months ago.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. And he jogged my memory. He probably got a little taste of his sense of humor. he used to, uh, really when it came out and while they’re around prevalent, he really compared the, uh, Pontiac Aztec. He called it the, uh, elephant man of, uh, of a modern car. Yeah. Yeah. But ugly. Yep. And it’s crazy. Cause it was the, uh, I think it, Toyota had a model that looked, uh, totally the other than the size. He, you couldn’t tell over this based on the same chassis. And, uh, But, yeah, that just jogged my memory that he wasn’t an aficionado of Aztecs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wasn’t a fan of those. Yeah, exactly. No, not at all. You know, and even the advertising on those, you know, they showed them camping and stuff like that. It’s a car. You’re not going off-road. They showed them open up the hatch and have a tent off the back and stuff. I’m like, really? Okay. Well, whatever.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly. Well, you know, if you could put it on the front side, you’d be masking that elephant man. the thought it’s got on it, you know, right, right. It’s just, you just leave the tent up and abandon the car and, uh, nobody would have to see, uh, permanent residence. You know, but, uh, for me, um, I, I thought Hugo was the world champion of, uh, A little ugly, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. We were just talking about some of the Russian cars that they’ve made for 55 years that still didn’t change from how they looked back then, and they were never good looking. Yeah, I can’t think.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now that I reflect on back, I can’t think of one East German or Russian car that wasn’t a blocky. Right. You know, the same shape as probably their tank’s. And so they had no, you would have thought somewhere along the line, they would have said to one of these pinaforeners, somebody like that, hey, we’re not selling anything anyplace. Can you guys give us a sleek, a sleek Ferrari wannabe Russian utilitarian thing, you know? Give us a new design.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they never did that. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Never did that. I guess that’s just, you know, they wanted to stay the shape of a vodka bottle, and that’s the way they stayed.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right. We were just talking about some of those Russian cars and the fact that they haven’t changed in decades, Mike, decades.
SPEAKER 04 :
Still ugly. Yeah, well, you know, yeah. And you see when, like, the Russian diplomats, I mean, not even Russian, but, you know, a lot of the European diplomats show up in something. They show up in a Mercedes or, you know, something that looks good.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that’s true. Yeah, you see Jaguars, they deal with the big-sized Jaguars along with, yeah, Mercedes. My last, my American ugly prize was probably, it’s funny because my dad owned one of them, the propeller-nosed Studebaker, like the mid-early 50s. Oh, yeah. Just a misshaped body, and then that propeller in the middle of the grille just, it made Edsel’s look, Like a Raquel Welch or something.
SPEAKER 04 :
It was a lot better, yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, my dad had one of the blocky, and it was a great car because it really was kind of a clone of a checkered cab. He had a 5960 Lark mint green station wagon, and the thing was ugly as sin. horse. Uh, but as a carpenter was super practical for him.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, you had bulletproof glass so he could leave his tool box in, uh, inside and not worried about somebody ripping him off. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, it was secured.
SPEAKER 16 :
And, uh, yeah, he, uh, I, my dad would probably had that till a day he died other than he was, uh, going down Broadway. I’m sure you guys remember the old monkey wards at, uh, almost Alameda and Broadway.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
He was right at almost up to Alameda going northbound on Broadway going to work. And some guy with a half-ton pickup broadsided him. And luckily he hit him on the passenger side. My dad was the only one driving. And that guy hit it. It probably hit about 40 miles an hour. And It put a pretty good V in it, and they had to total it. I thought my dad was near going to cry about losing that thing because it’s that dependable. You’ve got great mileage, just minimal. You just keep up on the fluids, change belts.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 16 :
And it was bulletproof, you know. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, you get your favorite cars, and sometimes even if they’re ugly, they’re utilitarian. They serve the purpose, I guess. Right. Right. Exactly. But that’s what I had. Thanks for jogging my memory with my brother. That’s a good memory. He had a dry sense of humor. He did.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s awesome.
SPEAKER 16 :
The Aztec was the elephant man of American.
SPEAKER 15 :
And it was. He was correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks, Mike.
SPEAKER 15 :
Appreciate it. Got a few more that came in. Somebody said the C4 Corvette. I don’t think they’ve ever really made a bad Corvette. That’s Mickey. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t think that’s that bad looking of a car.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, compared to all the… Wasn’t their best looking Corvette. The lines of all the other ones seem to… Well, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 15 :
But compared to other cars, not that bad looking.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, not an ugly car at all. Just not stylish for the Corvette, I guess. Not as stylish.
SPEAKER 15 :
Somebody said Yugo. Yeah, that one goes without saying. The Russian cars are just ugly. The Hatsu… Yeah. Also, the first car I ever learned to work on was Opel’s. I worked on, oh, in fact, as a young boy, because I was, I guess I was a young man, but no, I was a young boy. In our dealership, of course, we sold Opel’s, Buick Opel GMC. and I was the shoved in when I was 14 as the technician helper for our opal mechanic because we had one specific technician that’s all he did was opals and he was always booked out I don’t know a week or two in advance and so of course yeah because they were keeping them on
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 15 :
So I was assigned as his helper. So that was literally the first real technician job I had, which I had learned so much from him. And Dave was his name. And Dave, if you’re still around and listening, which a lot of times he listens to our program, I learned so much from him and owe him so much as an older technician teaching some jobs. young kid that didn’t know hardly anything and I learned I learned enough but by the end of the summer I was able to do my own brake jobs and tune-ups and oil changes and all those sorts of things that you know you look at no offense you look at some 14 year old kids today and it’s like can they get out from behind the tv to do anything nonetheless go do that so and I learned a lot that year and owe a lot to him and from there just kept growing but yeah those cars were not Good-looking cars, I will say. Even the GTs, which was like the little mini Corvette, not a bad-looking car, but, man, they were hard to work on. In fact, most things on an Opel weren’t super easy to work on. Everything was just different from what you were used to on an American car. They were German-made cars, and it was just a very different car to work on at that time, just even doing brakes and everything. It was just a way different way of doing things than what typically an American— you know car was but that’s the first car that i learned to work on and yeah they were not especially the the cadets the mantas were a little better looking the cadets were not very good looking cars um it’s opal and in general they at that time just weren’t great looking cars but you know some people just you know they’d buy one and another and another i mean it’s just a car that sort of had this cult following i guess you could say Like a Volkswagen bug.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 15 :
There weren’t great cars by any means, but yet they were, some people just drove the heck out of them. And I think at the time, because of, I think, Ken, the fuel economy was better than a lot of, even though it wasn’t great, it was still better than a lot of the other vehicles on the road that you had choices to buy. They were still economical to buy in the first place. So if you’re looking at buying it as a German car versus buying a Mercedes or a BMW or something like that, And I probably would go as far as to say, honestly, we’re probably a better car than those were. Simpler, maybe is a better way to say it. So they were probably, as far as working on them and keeping them on the road, were actually less money to drive and maintain than a Mercedes or BMW or Audi counterpart was because they were just a simpler car at the time. I think that’s why people still bought them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Maybe, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
We sold a bunch of them back in the day.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER 15 :
We were one of the few dealers that had – we stocked a full set of parts for them. We would ship parts all over the country because as they started to phase out, less and less dealers actually had them and even had the ability to work on them and all of that. Yeah, and it was back in the day where I even learned – and you would never do this today – but we had – and this is dating myself now – but I actually learned back in the day where – you actually would put brake linings on the car, not the whole shoe assembly.
SPEAKER 04 :
Like re-rivet? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’d cut the old one. You’d drill off the old rivets out of the old one, and you’d re-rivet the new ones, and then you’d arc the… In fact, I personally still own a brake shoe arcer where you can actually re-arc the brake shoes if you need to. I still own one of those machines. I don’t know why because I don’t ever use it, but… antique i don’t even own anything with shoes on it anymore so there’s hardly any around yeah right back then you literally and a lot of these young people today you’re you’re listening and you’re thinking what in the world are you talking about yeah you re-riveted the linings you bought linings uh people we stocked them as a as a as a store as a dealership you’d buy a set of linings instead of all of the other hardware that would go with it and you’d literally take everything off you’d Drill out the rivets of the old linings. You would re-rivet the new linings on. I had a machine for that. And, you know, back in the day, you’d re-rivet those on, make sure everything was nice and tight. But think of a 14-year-old kid re-riveting linings and stuff and then putting that on the car.
SPEAKER 04 :
Asbestos linings. Oh, yeah. And re-arcing them so you have to grind that stuff off.
SPEAKER 15 :
You just have a little dust mask on. You’re sucking all that stuff in.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, great. Lucky I’m still alive. Yeah. And you think about all that work that it took to do that. That would be a $5,000 break job today.
SPEAKER 15 :
Today it would be. And back then it was the cheapest way to do it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Less waste. Nothing.
SPEAKER 15 :
And there weren’t much of those left at that point. Because you took those off. They were paper thin usually and you’d put new ones on. So we did. All right. Another two hours coming your way. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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